Can we please just admit that the mecha genre is fucking dead? Mech focused games always sell like shit because normies would rather kill themselves than play something with giant robots.
AC6.
>>736800247Didn't Armored Core 6 sell well tho?
>>736800308>>736800703AC6 was a meme for like 2 weeks before being forgotten and falling into irrelevance. It sold like shit because nobody actually likes mechs.
>>736800787it sold like a billion copies my lovely dude bro
>>736800247I'm going to use this thread to shill my latest vidya addiction. This game is comfy crack and i'm not sure if /v/ knows it exists
>>736800863Yes, I'm sure the cope fairy came to your house personally to tell you the meme game you've staked your otherwise non-existent identity on sold a bajillion copies. Moron. >>736800994>"I'm going to use this thread to shill actual garbage."Fuck off.
>>736800247It's not as dead as some other genres. Go look at RTS or sports games. Those are all about as dead as mecha is. Sports has football and handegg and basically nothing more. Remember all the ATV, skateboard, snowboard, slalom, rollerblade, etc games that used to be made by many different studios? Racing games used to have a good variety too. Now it's mostly just festival racers with zero progression or hardcore sim games that need more hardware than just a controller to play properly. The simcade games with progression mostly stopped existing in the modern market. Every type of genre has mostly been downsized and stick to safe development options. RTS basically doesn't even exist. Everything went indie for most genre types. AAA only follows market trends and plays it safe. There are a decent variety of indie mecha games that came out recently and upcoming, but nothing on the scope of AC6 for the foreseeable future.
>>736800247Apex is printing money and it takes place in the Titanfall universe.
>>736801463Apex doesn't have mechs, and in fact goes out of its way to exclude titans.
>>736801821A few years ago I was optimistic that Respawn would use all the cash Apex is earning to make Titanfall 3. Instead EA takes all the cash and the company is making other games instead.Fallen Order and it's sequel were great, but if Respawn can make those, why can't it make a sequel to it's most popular and well regarded game?
>>736801979The developers that made Titanfall 2 aren't going to be part of the studio anymore. Maybe they can make it play well but that's a big obstacle.>>736800247Shilling Diesel Knights which is looking to be a innovative Titanfall.Shit like having a turret on the top of your titan that you can swap between piloting and shooting for 360 coverage, teammates jumping on the top turret instead of the rodeo Titanfall has.Probably a long way off but they made half a million on Kickstarter so there's clearly a market for it.
>>736802226>The developers that made Titanfall 2 aren't going to be part of the studio anymore.Did they leave to form their own studio? Are they getting assassinated like Vince Zampella was?
>>736800247titanfall is not a mecha gamethank you
>>736802505Not that I know but it's been almost a decade since Titanfall 2 and they've focused on Apex Legends.They've scrapped multiple projects claimed to be different Titanfall successors and each time they've fired a bunch of staff with the cancellation.The odds are the main Titanfall team was put onto one of these projects and cut loose.
>>736800787It was a silly shit game thoughMechs look silly in that game and plays like dog water in cocaine, it is the weakest From soft game so far
>>736800994>A game >But plays itself
>>736800994fun game for sure. only thing that kept me from playing more was not being 100% familiar with all the units like i was in desert/direct strike in sc2. lazy me issue though.
>>736800247>It can't move superfast because mechs should be slow>It can't move superslow because it feels like shit>It can't have batshit powers because it's not grounded>It can't be about ranged weapons because it's not a shooter>It can't be turn based because mecha should only be action games>It can't be only about the robots because that 'alienates ' the audience>It can't have characters with human faces because it should only be about robots>It can't have any anime tropes just because>It can't be gritty because it's a snoozefest You niggers can't make up your mind about what mecha vidya should be. You'll whine about anything.
>>736802862How does a gaming company making that much profit and producing that many hits get struck with layoffs?
>>736800247it's doing alright, mecha games were never really popular. there were never even any big series other than armored core and mechwarrior, and those are both alive now despite their latest games being very streamlined and dumbed downwe also got some mid budget/indie games too and there will be a lot more out soon like scramble vice and steel bounty and a few bad AC6 clonestldr; play more games
>>736803071Mechs just don't work conceptually. They're physically impossible, so there's no good way to depict them.
>>736803071not all mechs are built the same, if I'm playing a mechwarrior game I want my slow tanky gameplay with build autism and realism, if I'm playing a gundam I want superfast power fantasy. mechs are a spectrum
"mecha" is not a game genre you fucking retard
>>736800703Fuck no>>736800308>>736800703Terrible game. Not a mech game either, just sci-fi themed rollslop.
>>736804324retard
>>736803670>mechs are a spectrumAre they? All mechs are inherently stupid.
>>736800703It sold well enough to outsell the rest of the series combined. But since it didn't sell gorillions like ER did, it's a flop.
>>736800308>>736800703FromSoft trying to smuggle a Souls game into my house under the pretense of it being a mech game doesn't count.
>>736804801>But since it didn't sell gorillions like ER did, it's a flop.I need this attitude to fuck off forever.
>indie titanfall spiritual successorhow are we feeling?
Just play tf2, it's pretty active still
>>736807853>indie mechslopUgh.
>>736811119>Ughthis stands for"Ultimate Game! Handover [please]"
Armored Core predates soulslop. It is a series from the golden era From Software. When we got K I N O stealth ninja games and military mecha games. And Armored Core 6 is not soulslop. If it was I wouldn't like it. AC6 is the second fastest Armored Core in fact but you can play tank style mechs too if you want. It is almost perfect. We just need more of it and co-op missions would be dope too like earlier games in the series. Was really bummed when it released as single-player only for campaign.Mecha as a theme is mostly dead in gaming because zoomers can't play fast games or games that require a lot of input. On the subject of Titanfall there are two new hopeful games out there trying to replace it: Diesel Knights and Project Shatterpoint (ShatterRush, whatever the fuck they decide to call it). Here's hoping they come out.
>>736807853It plays really well and is further along than Diesel Knights. But Diesel Knights is mechanically superior imo. ShatterRush does have destruction but from the pre-alpha I played it kinda breaks the game half-way through the match because you're end up in a giant flat empty box with no cover.
>>736800247titanfall failed cuz of dogshit marketing. Otherwise it wouldve been a massive hit
>>736812397>dogshit marketingNo brainlet, it is because EA sent it out to die against their flagship shooter Battlefield. The two biggest shooters came out 3 weeks apart that year and EA decided to release Titanfall 2 between them. It had plenty of marketing behind it. Had several hype trailers on all channels, cutouts at Walmart and several fullsize mech statues at game events. They intentionally sent it out to die so they could tighten the noose around Respawn.
>>736800247>titanfall 2>mechapffffffft, titanfall 1 did mechs infinitely better than 2's shitty 3 lanes maps and class system
>>736812679>waaaaaaah waaaaah muh ea killed itnigger respawn decided the date, not ea suits, respawn
>>736812397>N-nooooo! I-it would've a gorillion copies if they had just marketed it right!
>>736813418They did not. Release dates are EXCLUSIVELY dictated by marketing. Developers have zero say. EA chose the release date. Respawn doesn't market games, their publisher does. You're an inbred retard, nigger-faggot.
Western mechs are especially absurd cause they keep trying to make this shit grounded. Like you can ever make something the laws of physics outright denies more realistic.
>>736814710big guy vs little guy >>>>>>>> bunch of same size guys (and the lore says they are "big")
>>736812268it looks cool but why did that one have to copy titanfall. mechs with destruction is good but why is it just titanfall. diesal knights looks like it is trying to improve titanfall.then titanfall is already perfected. except the gay shit like the smart pistol not being removed from the game. mechas shouldn't be like the paper they are in titanfall but titanfall is just COD improved.
>>736814845>muh david vs goliathNobody gives a shit about your fake ass themes.
>>736814889>diesal knights looks like it is trying to improve titanfall.Precisely why I'm more interested in Diesel Knights. For whatever reason though (((journalists))) and (((anonymous 4chan posters))) are shilling ShatterRush as if it is the first game to try to bring back Titanfall or the best game to try. DK is objectively superior and has been in development for MUCH MUCH longer. I have the pre-alpha installed for both. ShatterRush is getting updated a lot quicker but they actually have a budget. The devs are intentionally going for the kiddie look though to give it a wider appeal which is a bit grim and doesn't bode well for future changes to "reach a wider audience."Diesel Knights is very clearly a passion project.
>>736813897nta but it really was respawns choice. Every single insider agrees. They even admitted it themselves
>>736815132>Diesel Knights is very clearly a passion project.A passion project for a genre that has less than no chance of succeeding.
>>736814954what is the point of playing as a """giant""" robot when everyone you fight is the same size, or bigger
>>736815152>nta but it really was respawns choice. Every single insider agrees. They even admitted it themselvesFalse. Respawn decided their date in conjunction with EA, EA approved it. Once marketing went out (millions in trailers/ads/etc) EA decided to push BF1 to 1 week before TF2 rather than a full month before it. EA killed TF2.
>>736815330Okay thanks for admitting I was right all along. Have a good day kind stranger.
>>736815458EA 101 tactic. They take independent studios with valuable IP, put them in a position to fail, and then buy them out so they can exert control. They killed Titanfall 2 but moving BF1 up 6 weeks, right ontop of TF2. TF2 was positioned next to Cawawdookie Advanced Jewfare because it was a direct competitor and superior and marketed heavily on (the original cod guys make new cod better).
>>736800787It sold gangbusters for its genre and thats why we got ac clones after it released. Meanwhile your corporate approved slop you consume is routinely killing woke studios.
>>736815318What's the point of playing as a giant robot at all?
>>736804443(You) faggots are inherently gay and retarded.
>>736815792>sold gangbustersIt literally didn't sell worth shit, but whatever, retard. >muh wokeMechatwats are mindbroken as fuck.
>>736812679i don't buy the whole bad timing killed titanfall 2. even when the game was still running you had videos on youtube about the game with millions of views, everyone in the comments talking about this, but if they all played the game then it wouldn't have died.the game was fundamentally flawed and/or people liked the thought of playing it more than actually playing it.i blame hitscan (car/monarch) being so insanely good even at longer ranges and the high skill ceiling overall.
>>736815881You lost shazam. Its a commerical success unlike your wokeslop which has eos forever
>>736816023It came between two big shooter games and tf was more of a high skill ceiling game than the typical dudebro game at the time. Also ronins are cancer and monarch desperately needed to have its build up decreased
>>736816050You keep claiming that it sold well with no evidence while also desperately trying to deflect. You're an idiot. >>736816023Titanfall 2 failed because nobody likes mechs.
>>736816023In CURRENT gen, a generation defined by consumers spending 2x the price they did two generations ago, the average gamer spends 850 dollars over the life of the generation on the platform (the actual system included). Back in TF2 era it was 425. Most people buy 1-4 games total for the ENTIRE generation. Let alone buy TWO fucking shooters in a given year. So yeah, it absolutely is exclusively the reason the game failed.
>>736816023it's actually because of 0 iq codniggers having a big fat melty over anything scifi (see infinite warfare) which killed any chances of titanfall 2 gaining any traction as collateral damage, it's also the reason BF1 sold so well
>>736800247so, I don't think a game counts as a mecha game when the control mechanics of said mecha almost resemble that of controlling a guy aka: Titanfall
>>736816941>The Mecha game needs to play like a slowburn tank-sim for it to feel Mecha.??? Your brain on western Mech-turds.
Xeno FranchiseGears>playable mechs>sold like crap, forgottenSaga>playable mechs>sold like shit, widely shat onBlade 1>no playable mechs>sold well, fairly well acclaimedBlade X>playable mechs>sold like shit TWICEBlade 2>no playable mechs>sold gangbusters, belovedBlade 3>no playable mechs, henshin shit instead>sold well, widely considered disappointingINTADASTING...
>>736816247Not him but AC6 sold 3 million copies in the first year. Not exactly insane but pretty damn well considering it was a mecha game.
>>736817448>3millionYou wanna give some actual proof for that? Also, that's considered an abysmal flop in the current industry.
>>736818116No kill yourself nigger, google it. From Software announced it on Twatter like everyone does. The posted about it on Steam community too. You're one rat kike aren't you?
>>736818205>google itBurden of proof, bitch. Either present evidence, or you are a liar.
>>736818310This ain't a court of law kike and I won't fall pray to your dialectics. I don't give a shit what you believe. It doesn't change facts.
>>736818406>STILL refuses to present evidence>can only yell slurs that don't even applyMechtards really are pathetic.
Aww sweet a mecha thread>looks inside>some schizo posting over and over that AC6 didn't sell well despite FS posting their sales total for the first year publiclyWell I guess I'll spoonfeed some readily available and common knowledge then: https://x.com/armoredcore/status/1816473483771072954Anyway back to MechWarrior. Have fun schizo.
>>736802226Diesel knights looks absolutely sick. I really hope it turns into an indie suckess story
>>736818968Again, 3million is a horrid flop these days.
>mechtards stubbornly refuses to accept that the genre is unpopularI don't get it.
>>736800787the official armored core twitter said it had sold 3 million copies back in 2024. it was a huge success.it was the top-selling game on steam during its launch week.you have no fucking clue what youre talking about. pic related its me blowing up your shitty ass thread
>>736819324>pic related its me blowing up your shitty ass threadRetards who play with toys acting like children. Unsurprising.
>>7368189683 million is such a small amount anon. Look at all these best selling PS5 games that the schizo says are successes. 3 million is nothing!1!one1!
>>736800787It was the nest selling game in the series by a country mile
>>736819828True. 2.3 million is true success sales numbers like Astro Bot, the game of the year winner in 2024. 3 million is too much, when you sell more than 2.3 million your game is a flop. Thank you for correcting me anon. I accept defeat. How could a mecha game ever compete with the likes of such a LEGENDARY title.
>>736800247Good, I want it to be dead. Anything normalfags latch onto turns to shit. We need more niche genres comprised of actual fans, not fewer
>>736819921And it was nearly completely forgotten in less than a month.
>>736816023you just get burned out super quick. The truth is that Titanfall 2 was never all that good. Even when you got "TF2 Revival" days, the game gets a super high player count but it goes right back to normal a week later. The game just isnt that good. Its fantastic on paper, but just meh in practice.TF1 had something more going for it imo
>>736819141No it isn’t, but everything is relative to the budget of a game. God you people are stupid.
>>736820208>nearly>completelywe had a thread in March that I enjoyed
>>736820702You're a brainwashed retard, so you'll enjoy anything that involves your shitty kids toys. >>736820631Nobody cares. Anything that sells less than 5 million is generally considered a flop in today's market. Simple as.
>>736820825guys stop letting this guy bait responses out of you to salvage his pathetic thread.just let the thread drop off so he can start a switch 2 shilling thread or whatever these people do.
>>736821060>pointing out facts is considered bait now
>>736819938Critics are dumb, what a shock.
>>736819828what? How did Forza sell so much on PS5? Or is the sales number made of every platform?
>>736823074last Gran Turismo was shit and there's no other racing games being made anymore
>>736801443>sports gamesStill waiting on an NBA Street revival.
>>736818565>>736818310Learn2google you dumb nigger. Shit has constant model kits. But of course your dumbass cant comprehend robots are there to sell plastic crack
>>736823074>what? How did Forza sell so much on PS5? Or is the sales number made of every platform?Wiki editors are trash. Some of them incorrectly include multiplat sales: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_5_video_games#cite_note-Steam_wish-7Luckily there are citations so you can check yourself. Not all of them do though, like Jewden Ring.
>>736820825>>736819828Reminder that this dead game still sold more than concord 3
>>736822776>Critics are dumbHow dare you say that! We just have slop tastes for liking pure KINO best selling mecha games. We just wish our tastes were as elevated as the to the point we can enjoy Le Product Placement Ze Game. >>736823610Marathon only sold poorly because it is a mecha game! Of course! A remote disembodied consciousness/brain in a jar pilots a machine! IT IS A MECHA! DON'T YOU SEE BECAUSE AC6 IS SLOP THEN MARATHON, A 100% IDENTICAL MECHA GAME, IS ALSO SLOP AND FAILED JUST LIKE ARMORED SLOP 6!
>>736800247Its an IQ problem I noticed it around the time BFV released ,none of the zoom zooms we get in the vehicles they rather get rekt and run around instead of fighting back in a tank or heli
>>736823465>muh googleAgain, burden of proof. And companies love to lie, so you'll have to do better than From sucking their own dicks. >plastic crackLiteral toys. Any grown ass adult that plays with toys needs to be hunted down and shot. Grow up.
>>736823730>outsold by the whiteman gameMaratroonies just can't stop losing
>>736823967Dilate ha
>>736823967>burden of proofI don't think you know what means. The burden of proof is on the accuser. This isn't a court room though. But you're the one accusing From Software of lying about AC6 selling 3 million in its first year. So you're the one that would have to prove it didn't you know. You should get better bait. Maybe go for the more "hurr durr I'm so fucking retarded" line of bait since you don't have the intellect to argue.
>>736824129>still no real proof>still no argumentPathetic.
>>736824364Fromsoft is a video game company. Unless they release the actual metrics, they are lying. You're a naive idiot who is defending toys. Retard.
>>736824458I'm not defending anything. I'm responding to a barely literate drop-out manchild and reminding them not to use phrases they don't understand because it makes them look foolish. You're accusing people however, so if you're so fond of that phrase provide the proof of your accusations.
>>736824667Provide objective, reliable PROOF that mecha games sell well, or shut the fuck up and go die.
>>736824945I don't need to. I'm not making any accusations. Only an accusation requires proof. AC6 sales data is fact. Any objections to the contrary require proof. Have a good day sped. Going back to Crimson Desert to fly my mecha. At almost 5 million units in the first month.
>>736825323Right, so AC6 sold like shit. Glad we could finally come to that agreement.
>>736825595sorry anon. It was a success story. It's the engoodening of the mech genre.
>>736826028>It was a success story.No it wasn't. >It's the engoodening of the mech genre.You can't makes good. They are inherently stupid dude to being physically impossible. >ShazamI have never understood this meme.
>>736819938>Astro Bot>literally forgotten slop
>>736800247I really want to play the from sofware sereis armored corecan anyone vouch for it?
>>7368268684-6 are amazing. everything before that is subjective, for the time amazing, today slow paced, and kinda clunky, but still high quality.
>>736800703>BamcoNope, may as well consider it dead.
>>736812173>zoomers can't play fast gamesAren't they fabgirling over fortnite which requires high insput speed for construction and weapon swapping? When you listen to them play it sounds like their controller gets fucking molested the instant they enter a firefight.
>titanfallSUCCESS>titanfall 2SUCCESS>ARMORED CORE 6SUCCESSI think the real question is why are mech fans so fucking needy and sensitive?
>>736827831only westoids. But then again this genre isn't for westertrannies.
>>736827831None of those games were successful. They were all shit, which is a big part of why.
>>736800247titans are not mecha.tired of cod babbies trying to force themselves into mech discussion. like, wow! cool! you play call of duty! you're such a victim that no one makes cod clones anymore!
>>736828551They were all hella successful with the possible exception of TF1.
>>736828686>titans are not mecha.Yes they are. The fuck are you on about? >>736828952>They were all hella successfulHave yet to see objective evidence of that assertion.
>>736828686This. Floppenfall will never be a mech game.
>>736827663>fortnite>high insput speed for construction and weapon swappingOh man you're right. I forgot about the EXTREMELY challenging and demanding spamming of two keybinds. Man I wish I had the required finesse and finger dexterity of a 90 year old disabled midget to do that! HOW WILL I KEEP TRACK OF THAT MANY KEYS! TWO! OH MY FUCKING GOD MY BRAIN IS GOING TO EXPLO-
>>736829616Mechs just suck, chud. Those game fucking rocked the very foundation of our lives and yet they couldn't do nothing with it it. Unlucky.
>>736829681lets see your gameplay
Why do people hate mechs so much anyway?
>>736800308 It wasn’t Armored core>>736800787It’s a shit excuse of an Armored score game for mouth breathing souls sloppers that go “ah mah gawd dis is so haaaard.”
>>736816023Titanfall 2s removal of proper customization was fucking retarded, only matched by those dumbfucks that killed the series with micro transactions filled Apex Legends trash. Fuck them.
>>736830053kiddy shitunrealistic shitunrelatable shityadda yadda yadda
>>736830053Controls filter them.
>>736830053Same reason onnoxious retards are always the loudest.
>>736830053>Why do people hate mechs so much anyway?Lacking suspension of disbelief, normies can't relate to giant metal men unless they have a face like Echo from Overwatch lmao, and turns out chicks don't dig giant robots.There's actually a sub group of unironic "fans" that enjoy the fast paced Pilot gameplay but hates and thinks the Titans themselves put the game to a screeching halt, possibly getting one tapped by an Ion across the map and or having to waste anti titan weapons dealing with them.
>>736829616>evidenceIt was so successful they made a number 2
>>736827831TF1 was a landslide success. New shooter IP selling 10 million copies is bonkers. TF2 was a disappointment considering it was targeting 10 million again and only made 4 million. But that's what happens when your publisher pushes their game up to 6 days between your game and your competitor COD at the last minute despite you talking to your publisher about that date over a year in advance. Lower budget titles like TF2 (relative to BF1 and COD) can't afford to change dates because that means an entirely new marketing campaign. To reserve the cardboard cutout spot at Walmart near the entrance (on the RIFD inventory scanner things), deploy physical marketing materials (posters/cutouts/etc) with the date, and all new trailers with the new date would have resulted in a marketing campaign that cost MORE than the game itself. EA sent TF2 out to die and did it in a way that made Respawn look responsible for since they chose the date, despite EA intentionally moving BF1 at the last minute to crowd it. So they could take full control of the studio and IP when they failed to meet their contracted ROI. They do it with everyone. That's how they gobbled up Westwood, Maxis, Bioware, etc. Armored Core 6 was a runaway success. Hardcore single-player games, let alone mecha games, are extremely niche outside of rollslop. 3 million in a year is more than I would have imagined. It is assumed at 3.6 million as of today. It was a budget game considering the pedigree of the studio (25.2 million dev cost with only 80 staff over 4.5 years plus 20% for QA/localization) with an estimated 15 million dollar marketing budget it still did its thing. So we're looking at around 45 million in costs and 175 million in gross revenue for a total maximum of 130 million operating income, though if you account for platform cuts at 30% and sales it is probably closer to 75 million. Which is more than Sony made on Spidergoy 2 and they didn't have to pay for platform fees LMFAO.
Which one of you fags made this NINTENDO-HIRE-THIS-MAN UE5 asset flip slop: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1397440/EXOMECHA/
>>736831061>Lacking suspension of disbeliefEverything we know about physics tells us that mechs cannot work. >normies can't relate to giant metal menBut the mechs are being piloted by people.
>>736831127I really fucking hate how Respawn had to tank the responsibility of their release date. Like wtf are publishers even for. It was honestly sabotage so their game would fail so anyone could acquire their studio.
>>736832016EA had a very famous recording leak about how they handle their contracted development studios (that are still fully or partially independent). "We give them just enough rope to hang themselves with." EA is RUTHLESS. I'd imagine that the Saudis will soften them up because even the hell state that has literal slaves that they capture by offering jobs to entice immigration into their country as a lure is still somehow less backstabbing jewery than how EA operates.
>>736819324>pic related its me blowing up your shitty ass threadbased
Why is actual, honest to god, SUPER robot so overlooked in vidya?It's almost all real robot gritty muh realism.It's fucking bonkers the best representative for this is fucking transformers devastation (amazing game, btw).
>>736833993Same reason as why superheroes are overlooked by vidya.
>>736803071>>It can't move superfast because mechs should be slowIncorrect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7_FBFkSU90
>>736833993it's hard to balance super robots. Hell it's the reason why reason srw is so piss fucking easy. >>736831639>proving his pointnice one retard
>>736803071Ever heard of this word variety?
>>736800787>forgotten in 2 weeksby you, maybe AC6 was a huge deal. FROM SOFT actually pulled off the impossible, a revival of the mecha series that famously was always luke warm in reception. The response to AC6 was huge and unlike any in the series ever experience before. Bandai are printing affordable plastic kits to make continual revenue off of the game. There will be more, just be patient.
>>736800787I liked it, shame we didn't get a follow up
>>736835354
>>736800247titans were the weakest part of tf2 desu. zooming in moded lobby with softball/kraber/lpg after you drank 2l of coke is probably peak gaming experience.
>>736835295We need something like the 4A CG opening, big dick CG trailers like that and Onimisha 3 need to come back.
>>736803330Because in pursuit of infinite number go up these companies inevitably look at slashing budgets instead of investing in good products which invariably leads to a shittier product and ultimately less revenue in the long term as more and more enshittification sets in before they ultimately get liquidated entirely as all their value gets squeezed out and the vultures move on to the next target
>>736835295>>736835354I hope the next game brings back co-op missions from vd. There's clearly an audience for it since the co-op mod is one of the most popular mods for ac6
