> Completely and utterly filters wide swathes of self proclaimed gamersWhat went wronghttps://youtu.be/HTiJY5CNpRQ
>>736803635>What went wrongThe Kislev prison section
>>736803724it really did choke the impetus of the narrative and introduced a lot of loose ends that never really get wrapped up. Also Rico just being mechanically the worst.
>>736803724You mean that kino? What's wrong about it?
I'm a scrub who's only ever played Xenoblade 2. Are Xenogears and Xenosaga worth emulating?
>>736803724dont remember anything from that. Was it like the dragon ages fade section
>>736804476no, i do recommend listening to the xenogears soundtrack though. One of the best in gaming
>Has to make up shit to make people care about his unfinished and poorly written VN
The second half of the game is a massive slog with tons of exposition.
greatest of all time
>>736804635Counterpoint: Chrono Cross just *barely* beats it. But check this outhttps://youtu.be/IlTEGf6bnwc?si=HLVA_Kb4C6_1lyUw
>>736803635"Filter" metaphorically has become a way of saying that people were so disgusted at how bad it is, they didn't want to continue. I guess Superman 64 filters people.
>>736803635Gamers want a video game. Not a slideshow.
>>736805137It does. Kinoman 64 is one of the most BASED games on any nintendo system.
>>736804476Xenoblade is a YA NovelXenogears is a russian classic
The combat system is literal ass and is fundamentally flawed/braindead for a game that's 70hrs long , paired with the random encounters , PS1 lag and all of the dungeons in the second disc being a violation of human rights ethics makes playing this game a very hard thing to do in the current age constantly without going insane It's probably one of the worst aged games on the ps1 in terms of design , they were not joking when they said that most of the experienced squaresoft staff were transferred quarter-way through development to work on ff7 instead leaving a bunch of amateur developers to make the most ambitious jrpg ever made, you can fucking feel just how unfinished this game really is
I can't be the only one who thinks the ost in square games is extremely boring
>>736806432Dont know man, Uematsu and Mitsuda were complete madmen at the time. I recently re listened to the entirety of Chrono Trigger and FF 6 soundtrack. Too kino to take it all in
it's for the best so this game can remain untainted by zoomers and Youtubers and remakesI don't give a single shit if the 'new generation' likes it, in fact I prefer that they don't. That's why I don't bother correcting Disk 2 misinfo from retards who haven't played the game. It's better for everyone if they believe that half the game is a slideshow and not 3 hours out of 70, with 3 dungeons in that three hours.
>>736806330Isn't the combat similar to chrono
>>736806707How? It's utter crap compared to like namiki and koshiro. Like every time there'd a music thread it's rpg retards posting the most boring compositions ever
humanity is what went wrong
>>736803635>grade 9 philosophy >entire disc of nothing>entire disc of grinding>disjoint mess>worst gundam wing pilot is mcthankfully no one can play this shit anymore.
>>736803635If this game was truly as respected and loved as people think, it would’ve gotten some kind of remaster/port/remake, or at the very least, more characters and mechs would be present in crossovers beyond World of Final Fantasy
>>736804476No it's retarded robotslop
>>736803635what went wrong is Sony
>>736803635>walk 3 steps>battle>walk 3 steps>battle>walk 3 steps>battle>walk 3 steps>battle>walk 3 steps>battle>walk 3 steps>battle>walk 3 steps>battlefuck this game
>>736806959what fucking era are you from where Gnosticism was taught in freshman year
>>736806971Sony the ending. I want a faithful remaster that isn't hampered by big wig executives
>stop being pussies, and finish the actual gamefuck these story board mother fuckers
>>736806330>that most of the experienced squaresoft staff were transferred quarter-way through development to work on ff7 instead
>>736803635I really hate this era of RPGs (and beyond) where the game is mostly just nonstop dialog. Absolutely atrocious pacing.
>>736806330what do you mean? you don't know combos?
>>736807118No anon you don't understand, he was already reading thus spoke Zarathustra when he was a 3 year old
>>736806971This game needs to be forgotten for the reasons >>736806763 already said. We don't need gacha garbage associated with it.
did any of you fags actually finish xenogears
It basically stops being a game and the story is... ok.
>>736806857>namiki and koshironame 3 tracks that are better than Uematsus bestyou cant
>>736803635I've never played it despite being a gamer for almost 30 years now
I still dont know if grahf was the same person as Fei 10k years ago
>>736807509Probably not
I doubt itt half you never played xenogears
>>736807509No one has ever finished it, this includes its creator.
>>736807597well you should be spending time with your grandkids
Encounter rate is bonkers and the gameplay is shit
>>736807613especially it's creators
posting this again because it makes me laugh
>>736807291And that game went on to be one of the most Iconic games of all time , what's the point of showing me a scripted boss fight?
>dude this shitty story game changed my life because it had gay lullaby music in itlolhttps://youtu.be/lsIkNKNuZps
>>736807782Listened to first 15seconds. Sounds generic
>>736807613Yeah, like Dostoevsky never finished The Life of a Great Sinner or Kafka The Castle
>>736807848Not. My. Problem.
>>736807782>lol look how edgy and cynical i am!You need to be older than 18 to browse 4chan.
>>736803724Kislev wasn't even that bad.
>I'm fei fong>and km going to kill you
>>736807768>can't see the single layered fucking ironykek. Retards. No wonder xenogears is alien to them.
>>736807951Yeah this is edgy and cynical music
>>736807347>"Combos"There is no point in a combat system when everything just leads to you spamming death blows for bigger numbers the entire time and enemies can't combo you , the combo system in this game is like Valkyrie Profile but worse in every conceivable way , it's ironic how better this game would've been if they ditched the half-assed combat system in favor of traditional jrpg gameplay
>>736807603500* years ago, he was Lacan's will
you guys never played this game. fei's real father man
it actually makes so much sense once you consider the very definition of occult, let them be blind, fuck em
>>736808210I don't disagree with you
>>736808210I actually liked the combos you sub human
>>736808210>>736808481if you ever beat the game then you'd n)know about the xenogear
>>736808564TELL ME THIS SHIT ISNT KINO
>suck my balls I'm the xenogear
>>736808657where's the nudity?
>>736808380So uh...what the fuck was up with this if Elle wasn't even born on the ship to begin with?
>>736808714it's propoganda to try and trick her
the best part xenogears is the ending. you litterly become a massive gear
it's like voltron
>I'm John halo xenogear
>>736808210well anon there's one guy that's trying to fix the gameplay that you're referring to with his new Xenogears romhack and it's pretty coolhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FMVoT7a_Nqc
>>736808657Only kino? It's Graham's number times kino.
I really wish the ending of this game was more fleshed out. it's the one game that actually needs a remaster
have any of you retards actually beaten this game and unlocked xenogear?
is this game closer to neon genisis, or Gundam?
>>736808970>That one top comment
>>736809291Gundam imo
>>736809325do you know what happens at the end with your gears though?
>>736809325>>736809390it's more like voltron
>>736809325
>>736803635>what went wrongthey ran out of time and money to fully realize disc 2
>>736809462you'll never be a xenogear
The fighting mini game was really cool for it's time. I really need to replay this game some day. I haven't played it in years. Shame about disc 2 and that god awful final dungeon though.
>>736809832the good thing is that the OST kicks ass
>>736803635Nothing, it's one of the best games of all time along Xenosaga Episode III and Xenoblade DE.
>>736809929Definitely, I can still remember a lot of the tracks all these years later.
>>736803635Do you know what a filter does anon? It collects shit and detritus. So if the game is the filter you are the garbage it has collected.
>>736810087there was warnings about getting addicted to music on the old games
besides super castlevania 4 this is one of my favorite OSTs
>>736808912frfr 67 bussin aura
I love this one for some reasonhttps://youtu.be/tQTd7V0JXBE
>>736803635I played more than 10 jrpgs on ps1, skipping Xenogears and Suikoden. Always heard about how they're god tier, finally tried playing them as an adult, they were shit.
>>736810715lol
>>736810961>skipping suikoden>the best rpg ever madewhy do you hate yourself
>>736807762I have forgotten everything about the story so I dont get it
>>736811208it's funny because the doctor is a Tripple crosser
>>736811208cieten knows who fei is from the very beginning of the game
>>736811361>citen
>>736810783>Cage of Remorse and Relief>Ship of Regret and SleepHmmm, I don't know which one I perfer.
According to RetroAchievements:- 3983 people have played Xenogears. - Of that number, only 1,152 have unlocked any achievements- And of that number, 111 have actually beaten the game (2.7% of the total players)>In total, a mere 26 people have earned every achievementGameFAQs also ran polls in 2016, 2018, 2023 and 2025 that simply asked users if they have ever played Xenogears. Across all four instances of the poll, at least 60% of responses said No. It's one of the only polls that has been run on GameFAQs multiple times with no noticeable differences.
>>736809215I really liked the Xenogear mech, but man, I wished we would have gotten Alpha Weltall or Weltall-ID at some point. I know Weltall-2 has the ID Mode, but it's not the same.
>>736812196Holy shit I'm one of only 111 people who have played Xenogears to completion? Crazy, I'm pretty impressed with myself.
>>736812196Do you know for Xenosaga?
>>736803635Best game on the PS1, completely unplayable now. Anyone who says modern games are shit needs to replay this and see how it aged like warm piss.
>>736812358I wonder how many of those people also bought the game when it released. I know I was one of them. I'm not even sure what I was originally planning on buying when I went into Funcoland that day, but I remember seeing the SquareSoft logo and then seeing Weltall on the back of the case and I was immediately sold on the game.
>>736803724I even like the prison, its the sewer.>>736803894What loose ends?
>>736803724Kislev steam-heads ruin everything.
>>7368123942100 people have played Episode I of Xenosaga through RetroAchievements, but only 75 have beaten it.47 people have beaten Episode II and 42 people have beaten Episode III, however these games received support later than Episode I.In the GameFAQs polls I mentioned, about 20-25% said they played other Xeno games instead of Gears. So it's probably an even split between Saga and Blade.
>>736808380This might be the most kino scene in all of gaming.
>>736803635Tower of Babel
>>736808970>>736808210>he doesn't know about weaknesses and types and shit>just overlevels and spams their strongest deathblowsYou can beat Xenogears at like level 20 if you know what you're doing
>>736803635>Early Access games were being released back in the ps1 days.This is still a great game despite how it turned into a 2 hour storytime session and then jumped to what should have been the disk 3 end map. The random battles in some areas were obnoxious though.
>>736812870Have you ever tried beating Chrono Trigger without gaining any levels? It's actually a really interesting and fun challenge.
>>736812483I definitely had it as a kid and didn't fuckin get it at all, though I do remember beating it.and then it got stolen, along with my Valkyrie Profile, Star Ocean 2, and Final Fantasy Tactics, still fuckin salty about that
>>736813039I'm salty that my Skies of Arcadia was stolen.
Is this game tolerable if I speed up random encounters with emulation? I can't handle random encounters anymore even though I grew up playing them.
>>736803635I mean the game is pretty awful when it comes to the gameplay part you shouldnt be proud of it "filtering" anybody.Its not even hard.
>>736813176I honestly like the combat in this game, but the number of random encounters are the issue. I would love a mod that doubled xp but cut the random encounter chance in half or more.
>>736812451Modern games suck because they are written by soulless corporates who must maximize profits with safe formulas and hate risks. For Xenogears to exist, it had to fight against Square, Takahashi would argue with Square because he wanted the game to have a 3D world, he fought his way with his fists (his words) to finish Disc 2 in those few months. If there is a game that is synonymous with "soul", that is Xenogears
>>736813314>I would love a mod that doubled xp but cut the random encounter chance in half or more.The perfect works mod does exactly thathttps://github.com/NoharOSP/Perfect_Works_Build
>>736806330the game would unironically be better if it played like some basic NES RPG like FF1 or 3.dunno how you can make something so complex yet stupid at the same time.
I love Xenogears but I don't blame people for getting filtered by it. The ideas are interesting, both gameplay and story. I especially like how such a large part of the game is based off of the idea of ancestral data being stored within the introns of our DNA So much of the game is poorly explained however. Either with not enough detail or too much detail. The translation also completely ruins parts of the story and makes it nearly impossible to follow to those who are paying attention unless you have a translation guide available while you play it. The gameplay - while boasting really nice spritework - its a repetitive mess and the dungeons are for the most part terrible and frustrating.The kabbalistic and gnostic references range from extremely shallow to extremely meaningful to the story, spotting all of them is fun. While I still find the story very interesting it's hard to imagine someone from a generation that didn't grow up with this style of game being able to sit down and sift through the broken pieces (har har) of this highly ambitious and highly flawed game. I feel as though you need knowledge of the original Japanese version of the script as well as some development background to truly appreciate it. That all sounds highly pretentious but it is worthwhile if you're someone who is interested in the history of JRPGs. I do genuinely think it's one of the most interesting titles from its era and Takahashi's most earnest work.
>>736809832the robot combat is better than the main games combat.the training mode also has a frame data display which is insanity because it isnt even the norm in modern fighting games yet.
>>736813576Really? I might do another playthrough of the game.
>>736813731>The kabbalistic and gnostic references range from extremely shallowExamples of the shallow ones? I know the word deconstruction is meme with things like Evangelion these days but Xenogears does exactly that, it deconstructs the human need for God
>>736813731dont give these hylics any concessions. the whole point of art is to get you to think about life beyond the fantasy it presents. if they dont get it let them rot and destroy themselves, so we can live in a better world without them.
The final dungeon sucked but I liked the game and I'm not really a JRPG guy.
>main antagonist is a redditor
>>736814214I love Karellen so much
>>736814525grahf isnt the antagonist. He helps them at the end
>>736814525My entire childhood I thought that guy was wearing a goofy mask with a droplet of snot hanging out of it's nose.
>>736814525
>>736814731Same.
Isn't this the "you mean my dad" guy?
>>736814731>>736814786kek, same. still can't unsee it all these years later.
>>736803635>this thread again
>>736814731>Ga-hyuk! Gawrsh! *SNIFF*
>>736809524>hey ran out of time and money to fully realize disc 2that's not what happened at all but I like to perpetuate it so you zoomers stay away
Why does everything the Japanese make involving giant robots also insist on having weird misinterpreted allusions to Christianity?
>>736815450No that's pretty much what happened. Their funding was redirected to Final Fantasy 8's development.
>>736815752Because it's simultaneously exotic, but familiar.
>>736815752>misinterpreted allusions to Christianityweird way to spell "logical conclusions drawn from honest interrogation of Christianity"
>>736813326Good rebuttle. So how do we get modern UI with 90s creativity.
>>736815450It's half true. They ran out of time because it was mostly noob babby devs working on it so they kept fucking up and having to be corrected, and back then Square actually set deadlines development cycles instead of letting games sit in dev hell for ten years. Square wanted to just end it with disc one but the director didn't want it to end with that much of the plot missing so they just shat out the slideshow to rush things for the second disc to meet the shipping deadline.
>>736815776Interviewer: When did development heat up the most?Takahashi: The rule for Square at the time was that development was a year and a half max, but Xenogears took two years and one month. So, it heated up most when we got confirmation that we would get that half-year extension. But we couldn’t make the deadline even with that, so we have to cut something. I think things were heating up most when we were deciding how to cut it. Nowadays, a two-year development for an IP like Xenogears would be considered short, and three, four years would be considered normal, so even if two years have passed, team morale won’t start to die off. But back then, when you start crossing that year-and-a-half line, I remember people started losing some motivation. We were in a real pinch trying to figure out how to make it through the next six months.
>>736815884Indie games or AA games
>>736815752you aint interpreting shit
>>736815752He's not misunderstanding, he's tearing it down
>>736814214I always thought QAnon was the ultimate Russian psyop but still least those fags killed themselves or lost intrest. You guys are still going a decade later putting your inability to navigate the challenges of life on a pedestal.Just talk to a girl Anon. Go outside and talk to a real breathing IRL girl.
>>736816178Since that time, I have stopped being human. I have commited so manysins that anyattempt at living as a human is impossible. The only one who could haveforgiven me is god.
>>736816178>
>>736803635I'm too old and sophisticated now to tolerate random battles every 4 steps
>>736813176cross-cultural almost understanding leads to the highest levels of kino possible.>How fuckin sick the bible is even though I only got the cliff notes of the weird parts by somebody who didn't really translate it rightis fuckin tops
>>736803635>chrono trigger but people mention jung and nietzsche a lot and the combat is shit and gimmicky and there's random encounters up the wazooif i want to play a ps1 jrpg i'll play breath of fire iv or ff ix
>>736816541Classic western paternalism, Evangelion sure ruined discussions>>736816159
>>736807118>gnosticism is when god is a robot from outer space that creates two reincarnating characters to resurrect it after thousands of yearslol
>>736803635i beat it because i'd heard it was the best JRPG ever, and while the story was pretty good and i liked the characters + thematic components i don't really think i had fun actually playing it. it was more fun to think about than play through. cool that there's a mod overhauling the actual gameplay
>>736809291space runaway ideon
>>736816864>Gnosticism is when the false god, ignorant and tyrant, controls material reality, while the true God is a superior existenceYeah, it seems right
>>736816864yes? not sure what you're missing here.
Xenogears is literally the "Evangelion" of vidya, conceptually. A lot of it has various theological and philosophical underpinnings, parts are depressing as fuck and it was made at a different time; hell it even has its own "pen2" type cute creature.Its also worth noting the first disc is basically a masterpiece, but the second disc was >Goddamn it Square says we ran out of money and time. Okay okay fine, uh...hurry everything up and tell don't show, also cut some shit out that one anon will still be angry about (unrecruitable Ramsus)but even with that in mind, its still routinely considered among the best classic JRPGs ever next to FFVI, ChronoTrigger, (and later LiveALive but that wasn't well known at the time). Its a game that would be basically a War and Peace level classic IF it got a perfect remake by the people who originally worked on it and with a blank check to do everything they wanted; the problem is that the chance of a monkey's paw fuckup with modern Squeenix is a near certainty.>Why is it filtering people?It was made for autists in the late 90s who were downloading/making fansubs hanging out on IRC , at a time when anime was either 4kids garbage or the 'weird pervert cartoons on the Animation shelf at blockbuster" to most normalfags. >>736804476Yes. Note that Xenogears stands alone as part 5 of what was planned to be a 5 part series. Xenosaga is more or less parts 1, 2 and 3 kinda sorta. No, we never got 4 or 6. Also, you absolutely want some mods and particularly the undub/uncensored version for Xenosaga Ep 1, 2, 3 ; the english is horrid especially from that time and there's a fair bit of censorship too of both violence and fan service. I'm slightly biased, I made undubs/uncensor patches for all of them back in the days when especially Ep1 was a big deal because it was a DVD9 and most people's burners couldn't handle it.
>>736816864t. yahweh
>>736816178nobody is actually gnostic.hylic is still a good insult despite that.
>>736803724The sewer sections was kino tho and the train jump v memorable
>>736817013>>736817019>>736817168this is not, in fact, what gnosticism is
Yabeh' - When visiting Razael, the 'Deus' system is referred to by this name. 'Yabeh' is a misspelling of Yahweh, the name of the Old Testament God. Originally "Yahweh" was the name for Deus, as explained by Richard Honeywood (in charge of Xenogears's localization), but due to Honeywood's concern that the name could upset fundamental Christians, the name was changed to "Deus" - the latin for "god" - in the japanese version as well as the english version. However, it seems Honeywood left in this one reference to Yahweh in respect of the authors original intent. This is also supported by the fact that 'Yahweh' (Yabeh) does appear written in katakana on Deus's sketches in Perfect Works.https://xenogearsxenosagastudyguide.blogspot.com/p/xenogears-guide-to-translation-errors.html?m=0
>>736816936it's not, it's a retooled sequel to the best jrpg ever made by retards
>>736803635Best jrpg of all time.
>>736817309i'm aware of that now, but man were my expectations high
>>736817264
What about Disc 2?
>>736817127>there's a fair bit of censorship too of both violence and fan serviceThat "censored" Albedo scene is still kino
>>736817264alright sophia let's hear it
I beat it 28 years ago but don't really remember anything.
>>736815752Its not necessarily misinterpreted, but Japan considers biblical 'lore' to be just as open to inspire other works as Norse, Greek, Roman, Chinese, or their own Japanese mythology Americans don't blink when there's an uber weapon called Odin's Spear/Gungnir, Athena's Shield, or Masamune/Murasame/Orochi , Japan doesn't flinch if some enemy is Archangel Uriel or whatever the fuck.
>>736803635I think the game has too little customization and its a bit on the easier side of jrpgs. We were eating good with 7, tactics, vagrant story. This comes and its pretty much bigger number+last attack you unlocked. Still great game.
>>736817680dont you have church to go to tomorrow, gramps?
>>736817774I remember the Shevat section to be relatively hard, the one where you have to choose 4 characters
>>736813731This, lot of shit from the 90s is like this. Serial Expetmint Lain was a masterpeice but Ill never begrudge a zoom zoom for hating it.The inverse is equally as true. Everyone shits on them for finding mouthwash good and deep, but compared to anything else they have? It is.
>>736815752Do you think we will ever get anything this kino again?
>>736817172i guess youve seen my accolades thus far. i will continue to do your work, cause these losers deserve it
>>736817579Its kind of funny that that can refer to at multiple scenes, but I think the uncensored option is far better if we have it available these days. Come to think of it, the Xeno games (even just the early PS1/PS2 ones; I'm not sure about the licensing of the Blade games and how much Nintendo owns) have not been given remasters/remakes and wider releases. I mean, Squeenix sometimes gets it right where >SaGa games + LiveALive end up not just with remasters on PC with JP audio, but also revised versions of the game that let you recruit more characters, devs get to finish shit they didn't before, and more but SQEX is pretty much THE most uneven of all all Japanese publishers. I'm guessing that Gears/Saga are probably wrapped up either within SQEX or maybe BandaiNamco but it should be possible to come forth with a remaster... the question is if they'd improve it like they did with others, or if they'd become afraid, censor it, and otherwise fuck up.>>736818091Overall I agree at least somewhat, but the problem with things like Lain (which STILL has an untranslated PS2 game last I checked ) is not that the younger generation just fucks off , but instead both zoomzooms (and independently /pol/yps and troons alike) fixate on shit like hurrdurr queercoded this or that and ignore the underlying shit, to the point that now we have people thinking that Lain is actually 'supposed' to be a tranny, or liking it means you need your egg cracked or whatever the fuck else. I could 'get' zoomers and the like just saying "I don't get it really" and not be able to connect to the concept of what the Internet, computing, the perils and benefits of what this change would mean and all the visions for the future were etc...but they don't engage with that aspect at all, they just talk about trannies and other cancer. Its the same with some other stuff. This is a relatively new phenomena that it seems SO completely discarded.
>>736818990This one: https://youtu.be/Sg9OYyPIYNk
>>736803635Xenogears was one of the first games I got for my Vita.Spent like an entire summer playing it, Ragnarok Odyssey, and Soul Sacrifice.Goddamn was a good time that was.
>>736817127>It was made for autists in the late 90s who were downloading/making fansubs hanging out on IRC , at a time when anime was either 4kids garbage or the 'weird pervert cartoons on the Animation shelf at blockbuster" to most normalfags.I want to go back
>>736806775No. Sometimes it's a bit like Chrono Cross where you have too many normal attacks so it's not enough to just know you want a normal attack. Overall, it's like FF4 if that game sucked.
I loved this game until the second disc. I could tell the anime cutscenes were starting to look cheaper and cheaper near the end of the first disc. I was so disappointed. Did they lose funding or what?
>>736819528>Did they lose funding or what?Development time
>>736819601That sucks. I could tell if would have been great had they been given a bit more time.
>>736819528>>736819601Also there are cutscenes that we will never see
>>736810961>I had dogshit taste as a kid and now I have dogshit taste as an adultriveting story
>>736819304I know, anon. We all do,at least in part. If you lived through it the first time, be thankful you got to see it. Then, try to carry on what was best of that era and hand it down just like it was once handed down to us. Unless its kindled and handed down, it dies with us and then there's nothing but newfaggotry of the social media age, stomping on a human face, forever.
>tfw you will never have an artificial daughter made from nanomachines
>>736803635Did it? I loved this game when I was 8 years old.
>>736819935Huh?
What's the easiest way to play this these days? Emulation? I'm pretty sure it's not available on any digital store, right?
>>736820050I won't live until 2050 sadly.
>>736820087>I'm pretty sure it's not available on any digital store, right?It's still on the PS3 PSN for $9,99
>>736820138Nice, unfortunately my PS3 died on me several years ago.
>>736803635not even people who like this game in spite of itself would have the audacity to call the actual combat/gameplay anything but shit.the game has a cool setting, story, and in game anime cutscenes which were mind blowing at the time and gave the world a sense of place unseen of at the time. but the gameplay is shit.
>>736820112Try to die near a Costco freezer. You deserve a green haired Nano gamer gf. I want that for you.
>>736820087download the iso and play it on duckstation
>>736820683Thanks. I'll pray for you too.
Xenogears would massively benefit from being an anime. If Square wasn't retarded this is exactly what they should do.
the first THE POTENTIAL THOUGH videogame
>>736822681It's the most obvious, where everyone who plays it thinks "This part had the potential to be good if it just played out onscreen instead of Fei telling me what happens."
>>736823089you can say this about literally anything, and youll never fulfill that potential
>>736821982>Xenogears would massively benefit from being an anime.
>>736823089It's already good
>>736823119there are various games that are near perfect where muh potential dreams boil down to nitpicks at best.JRPGs often suffer in later parts because of deadlines and issues with scope.
>>736823119You can say that about anything, but most stories don't have a character sitting in a chair explaining what happens midway through.
>>736803635Disc 2 has some of the worst dungeons ever made in any game ever. Why are faggots pretending like this game is some god send. Story wasn't that good especially for how shitty the gameplay was both on foot and mech. The intro to the game was so good it made a bunch of uncs think this was the game of all time.
>>736803635The xeno lolis never got more popular
>>736823505>GTfagZzz...
>>736823505Good. Everyone, listen to this poster. This game is garbage and you'll only end up hating it if you play it. Now, all of you, fuck off.
>>736823463Most stories aren't as ambitious
Bumphttps://youtu.be/EUWzoACMZJ4
>>736823809It cannot be that bad. Hell even the greatest games like ff7 have random encounters
>>736817127*6 part series
Xenogears a shit
>>736827341Yep, you can see the typo. I mentioned we never got a 4 or 6. Its debated if the xenosaga games were the really originally intended Part 1, 2, 3 of Xenogears or if they sort of became their own thing that was obviously connected yet stands alone; they're far more connected than any of the 'blade' games which are Xeno more or less in name and inspiration only - there is some thematic crossover but they're a completely different saga (still worthy in their own right)>>736820391I'm not sure why people say this. The combat system has a sort of "Mario RPG-esq" active combo system that at the time felt pretty unique. Instead of just picking shit from a menu you had to put in (usually simple) button combos (think kinda like Mario RPG or FFVI Sabin's easier Blitz), and each hit would be animated separately. Then there's the sake of scale you get when the robots come into the picture where each of them had their own abilities, gear, mechanics, combos attacks and often enough "evolution". I can't say that I remember the game's combat shitty - it could be polished and there is actually a mod that improves the western version tremendously and fixes some bugs but it was an enjoyable combat system as I recall
Melia a shit
>>736823089>>736823119Its already great, but yeah people can obviously see the cracks that come with the shit I mentioned earlier about the >Sorry its Disc2, we can only afford to tell, not show anything. Prepare for massive exposition dumpbut its not like this is how they wanted shit to go - they got rushed to the end and had to cut an enormous amount of stuff. As some anons including myself mentioned previously Xenogears is one of the games that massively benefit from a remake/enhanced remaster but the window is rapidly closing to get the majority of the original creatives back to do so and of course, the SQEX monkey's paw effect is terrifying. Still when you see stuff like https://store.steampowered.com/app/1793030/Romancing_SaGa_Minstrel_Song_Remastered/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1295270/SaGa_Frontier_Remastered/https://store.steampowered.com/app/2014380/LIVE_A_LIVE/https://store.steampowered.com/app/312750/Final_Fantasy_IV_3D_Remake/https://store.steampowered.com/app/2455640/Romancing_SaGa_2_Revenge_of_the_Seven/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3375780/Trails_in_the_Sky_1st_Chapter/ and other older titles that were either remastered or outright remade ( the last 3 games are remakes) that added not just graphical, QoL, and other enhancements but also added new content (often overseen by original devs) including stuff that was planned and either time, finances, or technology didn't allow for implementation in the original.
>>736829525I couldn't remember if the xenosaga games were ever confirmed to be one or even multiple of the parts desu, have heard a number of different things over the years; i had thought it was intended as a part 6+ but have kinda forgotten over the years; just remember the not-elly/fei appearing in p3I just know part 2 was a fucking slog to get through, kinda want a remake of all parts of saga over a remake of gears simply out of not trusting them to deliver with gears and it being pretty unfeasible to ever expect the original vision with it to happenxenosaga part 3 was fantastic though; even comparable to gears quality imo
>>736830724how the fuck did i type desubarely even use this site anymore
>>736830786There are a bunch of word filters. Don't tell anyone to cook basedbeans.
>NOOOOOOOOO I HATE THE DEATHBLOWS AND COMBO SYSTEM IT IS SO BORING AND LAME>UHHH THIS MENU SYSTEM OF SPAMMING MAGIC AND FIGHT IS MUCH MORE ENGANGING AND REWARDING!
I simply cannot play turn based games unfortunately
>>736807613You can never really get over dysentery
>>736808714She’s the boys mom. That’s the secret.
>>736815752They hate the faith
>>736832902good that's based as fuck
>>736803724nah the true filter was the Aveh caves you and Bart get stuck in. If you made it out of there you're sticking with the rest of the game
>>736813001>Have you ever tried beating Chrono Trigger without gaining any levels?sorry no, I'm not a homosexual
>>736807509I got filtered by the water puzzle as a kid. GameFAQs didn't exist (or I wasn't aware of it) by then so I just used the save for the random battles because I liked Weltall-2
>>736815752It was the style at the time.
>>736813901>>736809832discovering you could do vs mode in the fighting mini-game was awesome, it doesn't tell you at all in the game itself, you just have to happen to have a second controller plugged in. Played that shit with my brother constantly
https://youtu.be/dWgFQs5hAKw
I fucking love Xenogears but I have to go to bed and completely missed this thread
>>736832902Considering they're one of the few nations that successfully repelled the religious colonization in the 1500's, it makes sense.
>>736833863Goodnight, anon!
>>736808035>Asian man gets to angry he can't plap his own mom's asshole he becomes a vengeful god
>>736804476Play Xenoblade 3 for an actually finished version of Xenogears that doesn't play like you're driving a tank on ice, the dtory goes through pretty much the same exact plot poinys and themes on a much more concise and functional package.Xenosaga barely has any gameplay, just watch a recap on Youtube.
>>736803635Let's see: bad writing, awful gameplay, blatantly unfinished. At least the music is aight.
>>736831970I also hate most JRPGs, I find them completely braindead, but at least they're not tied to glorified QTEs. And there do exist JRPGs where you actually have to strategise and think about your actions.
I just asked chatgpt and I still dont know what happened with the story.
>>736834575Ai can't sum up any jrpg story well, jeet. Sorry.
>>736833863Don't forget to add this thread to your watch list so you have something to come back to later on. Goodnite, anon!
Ok this thread is great because I was thinking of playing this game on the Steam deck. I read about that perfect works mod, is it good for a first playthrough? What settings do I do
>>736834742Actually, feeding it Xeno anything is about the only way to destroy its computing ability. At least Xeno has that positive going for it.
>>736834878Also how long is this game, and should I play using a guide or just wing it? I only care about the story
Citan was fucking great.The Billy and his dad scene was great. I can't remember ID was Fei's real self being repressed?
>>736834575It's complex as shit but essentially a sentient AI weapon called Deus took over a colony ship, killed everyone on board, crashed the thing into a random planet and used its systems to create a new humanity in the hope of one day using billions of people as biomass to craft itself a new body, meanwhile a being from beyond called the Wave Existence came into contact with a child called Abel in the ship through the Zohar, Deus' source of power, and crafted its own plan to one day destroy Deus, Abel reincarnates several times throughout the span of millions of years until he eventually becomes Fei, and together with Elly, the woman the Wave Existence created for him, inadvertedly puts this plan in motion.
>>736835227Dissociative identity disorder aka multiple personality shit. Id is Fei. Just the part of him that handles extreme stress.
>>736834575It defies quick AI summaries because so much weird shit happens, and the plot massively shifts direction because a lot of shit that used to seem important is a lot less important when a zombie virus kills everyone. The short answer is a higher dimensional being is tethered to our reality as a way of trying to get humans to ascend.
>>736835227>>736835227ID was the fractured half of Fei that resulted from Miang's experiments and abuse, neither Fei nor Id are fake, they're two halves of the same person.
>>736819736Well, those were Famitsu preview pictures. We don't actually know if Takahashi and company didn't have time to implement these cutscenes or whether they were something they didn't feel was appropriate for the final product.It's weird to compare and contrast this with FF7. FF7 had a famously short and productive development cycle - only 11 months long. The secret to this was a lengthy pre-planning period of about 2.5 years, where tons of different ideas were pitched for the game until Squaresoft settled on a story and setting. As many of you know, Xenogears was one of those pitches.So what's the big difference between the two? FF7 had a fleshed out premise for a game before active development even started. Meanwhile, Xenogears only had a rough outline of its concepts and would only grow in scope as the project progressed. That's ultimately what led to be a half-finished shitshow by the end. It wasn't so much a lack of time and staff as much as inexperience and an overabundance of ideas.
>>736835415Takahashi had been conceptualizing Xenogears and Perfect Works for years, the real difference is that Xenogears was a far more ambitious project than FFVII with a tenth of the budget and a needlessly strict deadline due to it being considered a side project.
>>736835527It's deadline was the standard: 2 years of development. That was a mandate by Sony, not by Squaresoft. Xenogears wasn't special in that regard.
>>736833774https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fWRPkXzk2Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TioMcPEPnMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ysV-kxUfIHe's done so many renditions of Xenogear's music over the years. I listened to the Cried version of Village Pride for the longest time. It probably feels the most at home for me. But the more recent versions are so beautiful. Especially, the 20th anniversary performance. Yasunori's shout out to all the performers combined with the cheers from the crowd captures the joy of Lahan village in that auditorium. It makes me misty-eyed. Also, this haunting performance leaves me speechless. https://youtu.be/Kqx3DJUYYZw?si=c_B-GmNaKEJgwoTv
>>736835632Well, yeah, working with the tyrants at Sony was a shit choice.However, it was Squaresoft's shitty choice to betray Takahashi once the game sold 1 million units and they refused to give him the funding they had promised for the sequel and instead funded that garbage Spirits Within, the flop of which was some very delicious karma.Now Takahashi is at Nintendo with full control over his vision and four actually finished games while Square Enix is putting out crap like FFXV and Forspoken.
>>736835846are the xenoblade chronicles games actually related to xenogears? Or do they just take place in the same universe?
>>736835846This is framed wrong again.Takahashi was not "betrayed" by anyone. Squaresoft was winding down their original IP development by the middle of the PS1 era because its internal staff management had become a disorganized clusterfuck. Xenogears was one of several games from that era that didn't release in a particularly finished state. Look at Saga Frontier, for example. The company had business obligations and needed to form long-term development teams to accommodate them.>while Square Enix is putting out crap like FFXV and Forspoken.90s Squaresoft and Square Enix are barely comparable to each other when it comes to management.
>>736836042For legal reasons Xenoblade cannot be linked directly to Xenogears since Square retains the rights to that franchise, but the Future Redeemed DLC for Xenoblade 3 and Chapter 13 of Xenoblade X Definitive Edition all but spell out that all Xeno games occur in the same universe and that those universes are capable of coming together or be travelled between.
>>736836152huh, interesting
>>736835810Do you like bond of sea and flame from the revival disc or the 20th Anniversary concert?I listened to the concert one for a while before switching back to the revival disc one because I felt it was sharper
>>736836064Spirts Within was not a business obligation, it was a vanity project that resulted in a huge hemorrage of talent because they'd rather make their shitty flop movie than fund their dev teams.>90s Squaresoft and Square Enix are barely comparable to each other when it comes to management.kek, so what? They still own the same franchises and have turned them into shit, just look at the state of FF, and if they dare to use the Xenogears brand the fans will rightfully call them out for it, so they're really just holding on to it out of spite at this point, and didn't they have another massive loss of talent in recent years?
I am going to start with xenoblade 1 using some emulator. Googling as we speak. What is the general consensus around these parts.
>>736836326Xenoblade 1 is almost universally beloved, but I'd suggest you play the Switch version, it has some very necessary QoL additions.
>>736806330>It's probably one of the worst aged games on the ps1 in terms of designit didn't age a bitit was bad even back then
>>736806330And yet it's still better than any Xeno- title since
there is no doubt this guy was an absolutely inspired madman during that time. Loved all the celtic/fun music he put here and in chrono crosshttps://youtu.be/8Rc-9fm8Ht8
>Xenogears never released in my country>people online said it was the best jrpg ever>spend money to mod my ps2>import Xenogears and Suikoden 3 because I liked Suikoden 1 and 2 a lot>mfw I hated both
>>736836770Suikoden 3 was fucking dogshit
>>736836152Only saga gets name dropped, and KOSMOS events make sense even if need some retcons there and there.Amusing since XB1 wasn't supposed to be a xeno game at all, Iwata suggested xeno name to honor the staff and shit snowballed from here.
>>7368363262 was atrocious. I was told it connected to Xenosaga so I pushed through. Some shit 5 min story at the end. This board owes me 90 hours of my life back.Its single player MMO, with cringe dialogue, and 90 hours of anger inducing sexual frustration. 11/10 voice acting though.
I'd rather replay Grandia, Wild Arms and Legend of Dragoon over Xenogears any day. Xenogears is not even a good visual novel, the text speed is so fucking slow.
>>736831970the thing is that only one of these are tied to what people hail as one of the greatest games of all time. if you hype something up and it's woefully underbaked people are going to be upset about it
>>736834129I can tell you’ve never played xenogears and only watched a story recap on youtube
>>736836198I hadn't compared the two. Are they noticeably different. Isn't the 20th Anniversary concert is mostly a performance of the Revival release?
>>736816178this image is cope btw, i dont agree with gnosticism either but people who post this meme thinking its an actual refutation might as well just post a different jpg saying they are a giant retard instead.
>>736816178>xenogears: what if incoherent demiurge rambling?>xenoblade: what if big tits?Unironically the second one is more life affirming and thus deeper.
Anyone have the link to that one guy's long funny walkthrough?
>>736803635I died when the prison or whatever was sinking in the sand twice and dropped it and never played it again
>>736839425No
>>736836326>>736836372Agreed on emulating the Xeno series overall>Xenogears PS1, Undub Mod (romhacking) at minimum OR Perfect Works mod (github) more comprehensive>Xenosaga Ep1, 2, 3PS2, Undub+Uncensored mods for all 3. There are also other mods/hacks, but the latest versions of the integrated undub/uncensored mods also fix a few bugs and take care of potential issues>Xenoblade ChroniclesSwitch, Definitive Edition. Remember to get the latest update. More content and QoL fixes than other versions from Wii, New3DS and more;, has built in new Future Connected expansion.>Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Switch . Make sure to get the latest update as well as all the DLC. Note that there is both a stand-alone and DLC version of "Torna: The Golden Country" expansion, you only need one of them; its easier to get the DLC version. The NA/EU version has a DLC that enables JP audio>Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Switch. Latest update, all DLC including Future Redeemed expansion. >Xenoblade Chronicles X Switch, Definitive Edition. Updates, DLC. Unfortunately, the based this on the slightly censored version globally this time - both JP and EN versions last I checked. However there are mods to fix some o these things and they can be applied in most Yuzu/Ryujinx based Switch emulators.
>>736843913Found it.https://lparchive.org/Xenogears-(by-The-Dark-Id)/
>>736831970correct. dragon quest 1 feels more interactive than this.
>>736807291His fight in both Remake and Rebirth is pretty much this webm too.>attack him >animation locked and shot >repeat until phase change when the stupid dog comes in and then triple slash to death
>>736836917XB2 is very good.
