>*owo licks ur bolgy-wolgy*>*gets distracted by shinies >:3*Who the fuck writes this shit
human men
>>736810778The game's lead writer
>>736810892*human furry men
>*owo licks ur bolgy-wolgy*
Let's be honest, nobody plays this game for the writing
>>736810778Sex with autistic fox
>>736810778she isnt even a romance option
you forgot the part where she casts a selective siroccothats arguably the most important part
>>736813692the gameplay is fucking garbage tooit just never gets good, and so many abilities are jank or don't even have animations, despite that they just keep adding more and more shit
>>736810778There is nothing wrong with her writing, it's just that you're brainwashed into thinking that quirky character automatically means le reddit
Please do not fuck your (adopted) dragon daughter.
>>736814142>it's just that you're brainwashed into thinking that quirky character automatically means le redditNot at all, which is why Nok-Nok is one of my favorite KM characters, your furry waifu is just trash
>>736814259I will consider your suggestion.
>>736810778me, for myself
>>736814259I am under no legal obligation to not fuck my adopted daughter.
Out of all the fox characters in the game you posted the one who's too autistic to do any of that
>>736810778>no fantasy Japanese lady who uses a billion times folded katana and is revealed to be a Kitsune half-way through her romance>instead we get Reddit chungus science autism foxGaaaaaaaayCatfolk or Ratfolk should have won instead. Weebs voted wrong and let Owlcat monkey paw us.
>>736814259There are no laws against the dragons, Regill. I can do whatever I want with it.
>>736815980I like Nenio's brain damaged sheldon cooper (assumng, never watched the show) level retard weird fuck personality, but I like your idea better.
>>736816101I don't hate Nenio as much as most seem to, she has good banter with the other characters and has funny moments, but its just that she felt like a waste of a Kitsune character. She mentions her foxiness like twice. Like she could have been race swapped to anything else and it would have fit. Take a character like Harrim for example. He's probably the furthest thing from a stereotypical fantasy Dwarf character when it comes to this personality and dialogue, but him being a Dwarf is a major part of his backstory. If you changed Harrim to an Elf that shit would make zero sense. Nenio could have been anything and it wouldn't really matter. Nenio could have been a Gnome or something and Lady Konomi could have been the Kitsune companion instead.
>>736815980>CatfolkFuckoff. There already too many RPG with catfucks.
>>736816820>too many RPG with catfucksWrong. Every fantasy setting should have cat people. The only thing keeping the Elder Scrolls from being irredeemable Bethesda slop are the skooma sucking Khajiit.
>>736813703Based but also gay
>>736817235I would rather have Fox or Rat before Cat.
>>736817328I respect that. Rattos are pretty based and should show up more often in games.
>>736816665She was insanely annoying. Literally a fedora tipping, TRUST THE SCIENCE, books have all the answers, BUT IS YOUR PERSONAL OBSERVATION PEER REVIEWED, lol so quirky and rational except when that's heckin problematic, etc personified. She's the kind of character that plays an atheist in a setting where you can literally talk to the gods, it's just science worship the character.Don't get me wrong, I think science is very cool, humans working tirelessly to document and understand reality is one of the most noble things we can possibly do, but "science as a religion" characters and people are tiresome
>>736817235Agreed
Lady Konomi > Nenio
>>736816665>but its just that she felt like a waste of a Kitsune characterThat I can agree with.
Nenio is reddit personified. She has the exact same lolsorandom "humour" that defines it.
>>736817627Understandable. I totally understand why people would found her an annoying little shit, but I think Nenio's saving grace is the fact that other characters in universe actually think she's an annoying dipshit. Her weird science autism is treated by the other companions and characters in the game as an eccentricity/insanity instead of something worthy of respect. If the people in the game thought Nenio was some great scientist instead of an autistic freak she'd be infinitely less endearing.
>>736817857All of Golarion is woke crap; even the villains somehow ended slavery even if they are summoning demons and making pacts with literal devils. (Forced unpaid labor.) Make it make sense niggers.
>>736817998And that's a good thing.
>>736816665Banter is severly underrated by /v/.Camallie has the best banter. But it's ignored, because most /v/irgins have an emotional, negative reaction from anything related to her.
>>736817998>lolsorandomThat was 4chan and general internet humor not long ago *holds up spork*
>>736817857Realistically, if Owlcat did another Pathfinder where do you guys think it would be set in? Personally I'd fuck with it being set in Osirion. Desert flavored fantasy is fun.
>>736818305Reddit slop isn't banter. If you had Australian, Russian and an Italian walk into a bar together you would hear the craziest bants that would be 100% more memorable than what Larian put out.
>>736810778You, apparently
>>736818360I know jack shit about golarion, but I know that there's a series of campaigns that deal with this ultra powerful lich that seems sick as hell.One of them takes place somewhere called "the last wall"?
>>736818352That spork thing was a Tumblr cunt nothing from here
>>736816058Put. Your. Penis. DOWN.
>>736817998They share a writer by the way, it really makes sense once you realize how one dimensional they both are
>tfw a lot of people never play her storyline till the end and doesn't know there is a good reason she is this way. She is actually the best written character in the game
I don't like the gameplay of WotR. I remember finishing the Labyrinth and the Spider girl betraying me but that gameplay is so weird. I have my MC as a Paladin if I remember and that elf chick kept dying a lot that I made her use a spear.
>>736818360I'd love a Rise of the Runelords game, my friends and I have tried to get through that adventure path 3 times now, but because the guy who DM'ed it loves to go by RAW and we agreed we had to minmax we never got further than Magnimar. Last time I died to some traps, and the rest of the party died because our fighter got dominated and killed off the other two players.But honestly I prefer older DnD settings, I'd love if someone made a new game in the Planescape setting, with either ADnD rules or 3.5, 5e can fuck off.
>>736813703Based, and if you stuck by her you know she'd drag you all over Golarion on weird adventures to satisfy her autism
If you got filtered by CUTIO please SHUT THE FUCK UP.
>>736818698I feel like locking a character's backstory behind a massive fucking obnoxious puzzle is a bad idea.
>>736810778slavic fagaloids
>>736818698Yep, she's honestly in the top 3. That said half of those people also got filtered in the end because they got fucking greedy kek
>>736810778Imagine how cool and good these games would be if the hobby wasn't run over by the alphabet mafia. And we had just people who like good fantasy write good stories and characters.
>>736818949You could still get Nenio a character like Nenio, there's not really anything woke about her character
>About to face an enemy that I have already bested several times>Got mythic powers spilling out of my pants>Can easily whipe the floor with him and all his minions, solo>Lann, with his 8 INT comes up with a retarded suicidal plan to trick Savamalamalekum instead of just walking oer and punching him in his face>Tell him to fuck off, and that I got this>Cries like a baby that I didn't trust himIf it wasn't for all the nigger companions, Lann would be the worst, by a huge margin.
>built new pc right before prices spiked>don't even play games that I couldn't run before>most taxing thing on my system I do is genning pov handholding pics with fox girls
>>736818949If Goodman Games were the ones writing the plotlines for the big vidya RPGs that would be something quite fun. Fuck Hasbro.
>>736818949Nenio had an amazing character arc throughbeit
>>736819041That's good, I'll give wotr another try in the future.
>>736818604W-why did I read that in Regill's voice
>>736818698I feel like it's this with Camellia as well. I understand people not liking her. But the amount of hate she gets, almost always seem like it is coming from people that has not seen any of her later character development, as they just killed her in the basement.
>>736819294Don't get me wrong she's still kinda lolsorandumb, think a high int low wis character, even if the stats don't reflect it. And there's still gay romances in the game, and one of them isn't too obvious, but the guy's a total deviant and it won't lead to any drama if you just turn it down
>>736818805>she calls you "boy" for like five years while you travel the world with her>that fact that you've been a constant in her life, often saving her when she gets herself in dumbass situations or helping her uncover answers that stumped her, forces her to consider you worthy of remembering all the timeI dig it
>>736819405I'm probably guilty of this as well, but a lot of fucking people seem to get butthurt when characters in video games lie to them. Camellia is a dishonest fibber through and through
>>736817683I do whatever the diplomatic fox lady tells me.
>>736810778I'm trying to run tabletop WotR, but I was surprised to find out that the mythic paths in the TTG are nothing like the mythic paths in the game. In the TTG, they're so generic and sterile.>MYTHIC ARCHMAGE: YOU CAST SPELLS BETTER>MYTHIC GUARDIAN: YOU GUARD PEOPLE BETTERWho thought that was a good idea?
>>7368197813.5e had the better idea with epic levels after level 20
>>736810778Favourite book is B K but since going full tankie slavs are the jester race of the world. That is 11/10 writing for them.
>>736819470I wish they were a bit better writers, but it's alright, but there is a lot of text so I struggle to finish their games. I got to the last dungeon in kingmaker and aborted because I couldn't stand that place. Right now I'm at level 35 or something in rogue trader, it's alright, I wish there were a bit less text and the combat was better balanced. But still pretty fun.
>>736819507I know why she isn't romanceble and it probably wouldn't tie into her character, but it's still a dang shame you couldn't try and push for it, and have it pay off by the end of her quest
>>736819674Yeah. But once she's actually attached to you, she does let her guard down, and show you her vulnerable side.
>>736818949Blame companies for hiring them because they were willing to work for peanuts, and HR for hiring those tards because she prefer them over men.
>>736819781You're probably doing pathfinder 2e? Pretty much everything in that game is a downgrade because they didnt want it to scale to insane levels like pf1e did.I dont like 2e as much every feat and skill is so insanely weak and insanely situational you need to go out of your way to use a feat and so many of them are actively useless.
>>736819295The Regill scene in the stairwell of dreams is the most Ive ever laughed in a CRPG.
>>736820181Take the Assurance feat and shut up!
>>736818181>Make it make senseThey won't. They'll just keep on going like it was never a thing, at best.
How do you beat Unfair mode?
>>736818181Didn't they used to have slavery and only changed it recently?And are dark elves still elves who have fallen to evil? Because that's the funniest shit, do bad and you turn into a nigger
>>736820581Build autism, buff stacking and cheating, probably.
>>7368205816 kineticists
>>736820440Id rather play 1e where it feels like the game wasn't designed with making everything useless in mind
I love LinziShe can steal all the tax funds she wants, I don't give a shit
>>736820716Thassilon had slaves 10k years before modern times and in 1e before the lore was sanitized for the modern morality that demands eternal perfection many places still had some slaves just not a lot of them.Cheliax and geb and the like.
>>736819405What fucking character development? Her entire arc is supposed to bait you into thinking there might be more to her than a murderous psycho only for the ultimate reveal that no, she's just evil and insane and that's all there is to it.
>>736821109She's a murderous psycho who finds herself liking one particular person and says to herself "I don't want to kill this guy, I like the cut of his jib"
>>736818305I kill her as soon as I find out she's a murderer, every time.
>>736818698I played it and it still fucking sucked. You think that her being some kidn of demon lord flesh golem is going to justify how painfully unfunny and one dimensional she is? That the single pep talk you give her is some kind of terrific character development? No retard, she sucks, you only like her because you're a furry that wants to fuck her
>>736821182yeah, what kind of sicko does this appeal to?
>>736818305>because most /v/irgins have an emotional, negative reaction from anything related to herThis board loves Camellia, stop playing victim.
>>736821683Incel simps like this >>736818305
>>736810778Die you diseased pedophile leftoid freak.
>noooo you're missing out if you don't do my waifu/husbando's questline/romance!>finally do it>I wasn't missing anythingCamellia, Nenio, Marazhai, Galfrey, the cuck couple, I have yet to be proven wrong
>>736810778Furries?
>>736822015Marazhai's existence fucking pisses me off. He should not have been a companion, period. Neither should have Yrliet either. I fucking hate the fact that Owlcat made the conscious decision to make the only xeno companions complete fucking insufferable and unreliable cunts while also making them both Eldar, the most Human looking species in 40K. A Rogue Trader should have access to a bunch of different aliens in their crew, but Owlcat, in their cucked Slavic wisdom, had to make the only two alien companions in Rogue Trader Eldars and stupid evil pieces of shit that make no sense to recruit in the fucking slightest. Not even the most tolerant Imperium denizen in existence should tolerate the shit either of those knife eared fuckwits put you through.They seemed to be slightly less egregious in Dark Heresy, since the two xenos they've included seem somewhat likable, since they don't send you to be torture raped in the worst place in the galaxy, but their still being fags for only included two xenos.
Regill sexo
Yaker sexo
>>736822460It's funny because you can easily fix Maraztard's recruitment by making it so that the one who kidnaps you is his sister.
>>736822015>NenioNo romance, unfortunately. Though her storyline is super cool otherwise.>GalfreyLiterally only exists to romance. She doesn't even have a point other than to turn into your onahole.Also, the best romance is Wenduag.
>>736823568>Though her storyline is super cool otherwiseI'm not surprised to see this opinion coming from a Wendufag
>>736818698>a lot of people never play her storyline till the endWhy was Nyarlathotep there and why was I beating his ass
>>736818949I really want Japan to try its hand at a CRPG, with a created character top down camera companion quests, the works. I don't know if it would be good but it would at least be interesting, and their Wizardry designs are always solid
>>736823915I would be nice to have a CRPG without the obligatory cuck romance option, and with every girl being a virgin, yeah
>>736823960Obviously the game would have a Deedlit, yes
Since this thread is so focused on romance, hows the romance mod?Can I fug that bug demon that you ally with against the swarm guy?
>>736818698The whole game is a filter, just going by achievement stats. Only about 11% of players have beaten the game on any difficulty and like 70% of players drop it before act 3.
>>736824051It's alright if you can stomach low quality fanfiction, and no
>>736824150I've completed the game once and I almost have 800 hours in it, I always end up dropping it after the Abyss and then I pick it up later and start from the beginning again
>>736824051>the thread is focused on gameplay Correct.
>>736824420>It's alrightGood enough for me.>and noFoiled again!
>>736824579>no game where you play as a priestess of Lamashtu and recruit+fuck a bunch of monster to create a horde of monsters to defile the world withSad!
>>736824781>priestessPriest.Let the hyenas and minotaurs and whatever else do the painful birthing, I'll just provide the seed.
>>736814142There's everything wrong with her writing, and none of it has anything to do with being "reddit". She's obnoxious, clearly written to be "funny" first and foremost rather than an interesting character, her motivation, such as it is, is completely retarded on its face and makes no sense within its own context, she is so abrasive, and cares so little for the main objective, her fellow adventurers, the fate of the world, or the protagonist, that her inclusion in the party is odd to begin with, she is utterly tone-annihilating with her dumbass interruptions during every bit of important dialogue, her quest involves the hands down worst dungeon of them all, and worst of all she's not even funny.Like, many of these things could be forgiven or glossed over if she was just the dedicated comedic relief character, and her shit's all retarded, but at least she makes you laugh. But no. Her brand of humor is literally decades out of date, hearkening back to the lolsorandum internet humor of the late 2000's, making it far too transparent that you're just reading the writer's failed attempt at humor.
>>736810778How much unique dialogue did Armigers/Hellknights get? I know Regill will comment when you first meet him if you're one, but was there anything else other than that?
>>736825204>she is utterly tone-annihilating with her dumbass interruptionsShe's hardly the only one, many companions do this including /v/'s darling Daeran, Nenio is just the absolute worst one of them all. The game is a clown show in general
>>736825209There's not really much after Regill's introduction in act 2, although you can ask him about being made an official hellknight. When they visit in act 3 they'll give you an honorary position and the standard hellknight armor+helm.
>>736825282>The game is a clown show in generalIt was clearly written for, and possibly by, typical post-ironic millenials, the kind of secondary whose only exposure to tabletop RPGs is Critical Role. Everyone has main character syndrome, a completely overwrought backstory, and is just full of witty, quippy dialogue, with a zinger ready to fire at any moment, and taking nothing seriously.
>>736810778i like when she calls baphomet a cuckhold
>>736825690>>736825282You didn't even play the game, 99% of the dialogue is completely serious and le quirky shit is only couple of screenshots from 60h game. Moreover Nenios story is completely serious from the beginning and you just got filtered by the puzzles. Sorry, you looked them up like a retard and got filtered by the obvious foreshadowing
>>736826151>Nenios story is completely serious from the beginningNenio's story doesn't fucking exist, it's just one event per act until you do the Enigma. And no, it's not serious at all, it's all meant to be funny until you get to the Enigma, and even then Nenio's clown ass personality puts a damper on that
>>736826245Filtered, show don't tell
>>736810778he looks male
>>736826737All foxes look female by default.
>>736826802I love female looking foxes (male).
I went deliverer for the front liner DPS Main Character. They have to be the star of 100% of the show even in a party based RPG. and what seems like a big buff against a majority of the enemies in game. Should I dip into 2H fighter or mutagen warrior? Or just stay pure?
SWARMGOD I SUMMON YOU
>>736826995Personally I love female looking foxes (female), but that's just me.
>>736818360I want the ancient astronaut one. it sounds cooler than generic fantaslop and it's right in between the two that we already got games for.
>>736827439>but that's just me.Me too anon.Me too.
>>736827596This bitch should have been a companion.
>>736826995I love all foxes, both male and female
>>736818360It's hard to match the scale of WOTR, so they'd have to pull it back a bit. Still, I'd want something at least a bit powerful, level 20 at least. The Rise of Runelords campaign is as generic as you get but it's a solid module and you can blend Return of the Runelords in there too. Jade Regent would be unique if they want their own Jade Empire. Sadly Owlcat are too cowardly to adapt Reign of WinterThe bigger hangup is that any Pathfinder game they make in the future will likely be 2E
>>736827781A dick ass thief kitsune?Should have been a love interest. I love that portrait so much.
>>736827781Cant you just get them as mercs?
>>736827878Grab one of the romances and use toybox and visual adjustments to turn them into a kitsune. Maybe even respec to change their race too s othey're mechanically kitsunes
>>736827049idk what deliverer does but damage dealing characters almost universally get cucked by endgame enemies because all of the demon bosses including the final boss have unremovable critical hit immunity, and basically all damage builds revolve around crits.
>>736810778Yeah we should leave writing for the professionals
>>736816101i didnt realize sebille and cemllia are both cannibals until now
>>736828072I feel like both characters had pretty explicit gameplay explaining why they were cannibals. Both relatively early on from what I remember.
>>736828072Difference being that it's simply a racial trait to be able to recall memories of the deceased for DOS elves, while Camellia is a psychotic loon.
>>736828116>early onYou literally don't find out that Camellia is a serial killer cannibal until halfway through the game, despite how obvious it is.
>>736828116>>736828072it's literally part of not just Sebille's intro quest but the basic level lore about elves in the series it's also a whole gameplay mechanic where elves can eat body parts and gain the memories of what they eatyou'd have to kill her off at her intro and not play an elf yourself to not notice
>>736828208thats not what i mean lol. i just mean they are both elf cannibals by pure coincidence.
>>736828150>despite how obvious it isYou guys thought it was obvious? She had me fooled until the act 3 reveal
>>736828271it's hardly by coincidence considering every elf in Divinity is a cannibalit's like saying "oh what a coincidence this random Bosmer and Camellia are both cannibals"
>>736828304It was obvious that something was up and that she was suspicious.Not that she was a cannibal, not to me at least.
Bosmer don't eat people that's altmer propaganda. I've lived in Valenwood my entire life and I've never seen an act of cannibalism
>>736828304it's one of those things that only works in the crpg, in the tabletop it would be almost impossible not to figure it out given how much more information gathering methods you have(coincidentally we actually had her in our tabletop version and she got turned into tortoise courtesy of baleful polymorph, then promptly forgotten about)
>>736828486>it's one of those things that only works in the crpgIt doesn't work here either, the only reason why you can't do anything about it (or any npc, because they all turn retarded and don't realize it either) is because the writer felt like it
>>736828449That just means the locals don't fucking like you and have never invited you to the cookout.
>>736828361It might even be implied that she's up to shenanigans as soon as you meet her in the cave in the tutorial. I just started a run and there is dialogue along the lines of the corpse you find with her not having the cause of death really match up with the wounds on the body.
>>736815980wutthere's a connection between foxes and cunning/knowledge. it's a good fit. only thing better would be if she was a syrinx or serpentfolk.
>play wotr>use all mercenary party because I have no tolerance for westoid rpg writing>except for camellia because I wanted to see what the memes were about and because the description of her sex scene hit my fetish exactly>manage to fuck her but then she breaks up with me saying I'm bad at sex>positive that I picked the right options to continue her "romance" but because I refuse to sleep in dungeons the next event never triggerssomehow this is a level of cucking even above the actual ending.
>>736828918>westoid rpg writingOwlcat is Eastern European.
>>736829010anything west of baghdad is western
>>736828803>only thing better would be if she was a syrinx or serpentfolkI've been wanting a snek companion in a fantasy RPG for fucking ever.
>>736828918You didn't murder an innocent and eat their heart immediately before the act so she couldn't get off
>>736828584You can also find torture implements in her room and she takes advantage of the gargoyle attack in act 2 to commit another murder in the chaos, in both cases she'll just dodge the question if asked about it. The fact she's not a member of any of your war councils is a hint in itself, because the other two non-council companions are obviously fucked in the head.
>>736828803>>736815980Kitsune in the tabletop also have bonuses to INT as an alternative option though nothing quite beats a kitsune sorcerer
>>736815980The buff for INT is literally Fox's Cunning
>>736829254>though nothing quite beats a kitsune sorcererThere was a thing with the tails right?
>>736829305nah the tails aren't the reasonthe reason is that kitsune sorcerers get a pretty insane bonus to enchantment spells that stack with all other bonuses to enchantment spells so you can easily get up to the point where you can just guarantee a charm monster/dominate person sticks tails are a nice bonus though since they scale off of CHA and also get boosted by the enchantment DC boosts you get and the kitsune unique sorcerer archetype gives those feats for free
>>736828304>She wears an amulet that hides her alignment and refuses to let you remove it.>Totally a good girl in a bad time, guys.Are you retarded?
>>736830163It would have been fucking hilarious if Camellia's alignment hiding necklace was just a red herring and she's actually Neutral Good but really weird and autistic.
>>736830545The amulet thing reminded me of a DND novel I read a long time ago that had a dinosaur paladin who could see auras as a form of Detect Alignment. The villain had some kind of artifact that made any alignment detection make him look like the most noble and good person on the planet, when he was actually the opposite.
Hello
>>736831449>Mage hands, crush his skull. Thank you
>>736830828Are there any good D&D novels?
It's a shame we'll never get a "go kill Rasputin" game.
>>736830545well there's one way to test it out, find a paladin and have him gently smite evil heramulet of alignment hiding does absolutely nothing against smite evil
>>736831758no
I never see anyone talk about the DLCs, were they that bad?
>>736832895Owlcat DLCs are genuinely fucking terrible. What's the fucking point of getting a DLC that adds a shitty endless dungeon or pointless separate mini-campaign?
>>736833314>>736832895I was grinning like an idiot at that Kingmaker DLC, where your DLC protagonist sacrifices himself in that dungeon. Then, if you play the main campaign after, you can actually find your DLC character and rescue him.
>>736832895last sarkosian and dance of masks are goodthe rest are mid to bad
>>736833314>Owlcat DLCs are genuinely fucking terrible.rogue trader's dlcs are excellent
>>736833558None of them added any cool alien companions, so they're shit by default.
>>736816101>AlothI like him Aloth..I miss that nigga sfm. I might have to replay PoE
>>736818703Did you ever make it past that point or did you quit? If you keep playing it gets way better. I tried like 4 different ascension/mythic/whatever Godly ascension paths and played through the Lich path like 4 times. Its so fucking good its unreal. If those demon knew what horrors they were actually creating, they would have sealed the world-wound themselves
>>736832895There's nothing to talk about. The Last Sarkorians adds a new companion but the storyline is a nothingburger, a Dance of Masks is just a bunch of random events with companions and the only relevant thing about it is that they finally allowed you to have kids. The rest of the DLCs are side campaign bullshit that no one cares about
>>736822460I liked my little BDSM sex slave darkelf
>>736834585Dance With Masks does give you Magic Deceiver though, the greatest spellcasting class in any CRPG
>>736814259it's kind of crazy how common it is to get a dragon daughter in vidya games.
>>736835330That like only two, and Glint will be piss as hell if you fuck her daughter. You also wouldn't fit.
>>736835353Climb right inside like a human dildo, directly inseminate those eggs by jerking off onto them from the inside
>>736835353I'm a revenant main and Glint herself asked me to continue the dragon lineage.
>>736810778Nenio is so cringe she wraps back around to being based
>>736835653This anon gets it. I liked when she fondled my penis but refused to go to completion or any farther (presumably because we weren't yet married)
>Targona isn't romanceableWhat the fuck is wrong with Owlkeks?
>>736810778I just started Act 3 and I'm kinda lost objective-wise, I'm basically just having my crusader armies run in circles on the map while my main party slowly checks out points of interest near DrezenIs there anything specific I should prioritize? I already picked up the succubus and got Woljiff back
