how come the ps3 could launch a comeback but this thing couldn't?>ditched always online>ditched no used games>ditched kinect>price dropped to match ps4>better early gen exclusives than ps4>disc based backwards compatibility with 360 games with high res upscaling>disc based backwards compatibility with og xbox games>gamepassI get the used games and kinect spyware was bad, but xbox was still arguably in a better place than sony was with early ps3
Not enough banger exclusives i guess
Uncharted, then MGS4 and a big price cut were the catalysts that saved Sony. Free multiplayer online was a huge plus that also spurred sales.
>>736835021I think the main reason was the popularization of digital games on consoles, you can't exactly "sell" them.And seeing an "ownership" of these games on their account, on their e-mail and personal data, made most people stay on their first gen 8 console instead of switching to something else.
>>736835021No exclusives. They insisted on MUH MEDIA bullshit and shilling hulu live sports and all that other gay shit that nobody cares about. If they just focused on making good games that people wanted they could've recovered. Instead they just double down on that same retarded shit and just dug a deeper hole for themselves. But if you want to know the real reason for why they collapsed so hard it's because they're trying to force people onto windows/pc and muh cloud gaming. The thing is, you're supposed to destroy the competition first and get everyone on your platform, before you suicide and force them to pc/windows. These retards just killed their own platform for absolutely no reason. They also threw away billions of dollars with gamepass which clearly wasn't sustainable...so now they're forced to put their exclusives on Playstation....and even that won't help because the exclusives that people WOULD want on Playstation like Halo and Gears? Are DEAD AS FUCK which is another reason why they can't sell consoles for shit.
>>736835021ps3 always had good games people just pretended it didn't to save face for the embarrassing wii. xbone never got good games which is sad because the brand did have a legacy of great titles from the original xbox and 360 but the late 360 period set up the xbone for failure.
>>736835238This
PS3 ended up getting exclusives that were either highly anticipated (MGS4) or looked cool or unique enough to appeal to mainstream audiences back then (Infamous, Little Big Planet etc). They went all out for the marketing after the fat era as well, and it worked. Xbox invested heavily on a few franchises (Halo, Gears, Forza) instead of making new, unique shit to keep people coming back to the console. Sure, you might have gotten it to play Halo 5, but what next? They put zero effort into making the Xbox look interesting or something you'd actually want, a lot of their marketing revolved around the Xbox being the stronger console and at that point no one really gave a shit. Not to mention, everything came to pc eventually anyway.
>>736835021Keep in mind the following facts>It had no launch titles>Kinect was still a thing until 2016>It was significantly weaker than a ps4>By the time they tried to catch up ps4 already had Bloodborne and a bunch of exclusived announced aka ff7R the last guardian, etc. While all they had was halo 5 >Pretty much their entire fan base moved to PC
>>736835021Sony Japan legit cares about video games, Microsoft never did. They got lucky with the OG Xbox and 360, but their true ambitions were to take over the living room with Windows, they wanted to control the console, PC, and mobile space of gaming. That's why Microsoft failed everywhere and never recovered. Nintendo had a niche, Sony came in and wanted a niche different from Nintendo's, Microsoft came into console gaming wanting to be green Sony with no identity of their own going for the same exact audience while leaving the door open for Valve to take over Microsoft's original niche, PC gaming.
>>736835021By 2009, PS3 went from literal no games to an abundance of good games many of which were exclusive. Xbox had already abandoned many prior franchises aside from Halo and Gears which were dying in relevancy anyway, and now all Microshit has for a relevant franchise is Forza slop. Sony also for once decided not to trend chase and direct motion control slop after the Move dildo, Microshit pushed it further with facial recognition when everyone got tired of gesture movement.
PS4 was carried by the PS3 turning shit around and Microsoft dropping the ball worse than the WiiU.Id even argue dropping the kinect was a bad move as it fucked over early adopters, gave devs an excuse not to support it all while being a solid device that could have been the stand out thing amongst the three
>>736835021Because they said the quiet part out loud.They wanted to double down on appealing to casuals even as the industry was pulling out, because that casual audience didn't really exist and they just got bamboozled by normalfags buying the PS2 for DVDs and the military buying the PS2 for cluster computing. The problem with appealing to casuals is that casual normalfags get their opinions from the vocal minority of casual normalfags LARPing as hardcore gamers, so their launch marketing ended up killing every audience they could have appealed to.It was always clear that any backpedaling was going to be temporary at best, they were always going to become worse.The PS4 was never going to be better than the Xbone in any way that mattered and they have started cutting back on physical and offline use as well, but they at least had the self-preservation necessary to not blurt out "TV, TV, I love casuals, Netflix, you're all thieving niggers, if you're poor we have a product for you it's called the PS3" on stage.
>>736835021>ditched always online>ditched no used gamesThe damage to its reputation was already sealed and couldn't be undone.I remember this was huge back then
>>736836750no they got bamboozled by the wii selling insane records. sony did too with their own waggle shitbut sony knew when to quit, that's it. mattrick is the real answer, he is awful at his job and at every place he's been. the machine was underpowered and they didn't devote enough from their 3rd parties that had an insane base on 360, aka COD
>>736835695But the Izzat points gained were astronomical!
>>736837074That one video of how to share PS4 games when they just handed a copy of a game to the other dude was huge. It wasn't even a planned marketing video, they did it ad-hoc after the MS XBone announcement.
>>736835021Because the loss was so unbelievably decisive up front. You don't understand how fucking over it was on a PR level months before the consoles even launch. When Sony announced a $400 price point and dropped that used game instruction video, Xbox as a brand fucking died that day. You don't understand how over it was.
>>736837074the memes after that reveal, lmao
>>736837846Now they're repeating the PR disaster with Helix. It's so bad no one knows what the hell Helix is, not even Microsoft apparently, kek.
Putting all their exclusives on PC didn't help. What incentive do I have to buy an Xbox at that point?
>>736838398There isn't, at this point, the selling point for the Helix is a joke>It'll have SteamThat you'll have to download and install from the internet while it'll play like shit due to poor optimization. Why get this when Steam Machine exists>but OEMs will give you your Xbox handheld using the same chip so it's basically the same consoleSo, why get this over the Steam Deck 2 for a lower price>you can get the OEMs at retailersYou can get a Switch 2 and PS6 handheld at retailers too, your point?>HaloThat's going to be on everything>It's the most powerful Xbox EVER!!!When has power ever mattered in gaming?You see the problem, Xbox doesn't really have a selling point anymore. They really should just stop making hardware and go full on Atari and Sega, honestly, they may already be doing that since I expect Helix to be the last one since the OEMs will just be the console/PC but made by other companies anyway.
>>736835238This combined with trophies Xboned Xbox forever. You dont buy "a lil on Xbox" and "a lil on GameCube" or whatever anymore you stick where your accomplishments and library is.
>>736838696helix is being positioned as a high value prebuilt for normies. big brand, retail presence, decent specs for even $1200 compared to price gouging prebuilts.
>>736838990Vs a $450-$500 Switch 2, $700 Steam Machine, and a $750-$800 PS6. It gets worse because no one is going to go online to the Microsoft Store for the Helix, they're going to go straight to the Steam Store for the Steam Machine. OEMS are going to get massacred by Nintendo, Sony, and Valve. All their games are coming to Switch, PlayStation, and Steam too, what's even the point of the Helix project?
>>736835021No fucking games.Everything else is just an excuse.They kept doing Forza, Halo and Gears while only Horizon kept the quality. People love to parrot the Phil Spencer excuse of "oh we lost at the start and there was no way for us to recover". The trillion dolalr company couldn't recover. People have no fucking idea how abysmal was the One then the Series output. Sony put out shit like Spiderman and God of War on the regular. Then the Series came out and Halo was not finished, even a year later. Sony put out Ratchet and Demon's Souls and they already outdid Microsoft ten times over.And don't forget that to this day Xbox keeps missing big releases or get them years late. Since 2013 Xbox is shit Playstation. Anything they do better like LIMITED backward compatibility is not relevant in the grand scheme of things. They are especially good in not delivering what people care about and spending a bunch of money on things people don't care about.I have no idea who believes in Helix. Both the One and Series consoles ended up being worse than the competition. What exactly is the promise of Helix? It will be dignificantly more expensive than the PS6 and it will play PC games with not yet announced caveats. All while people imagine it will be significantly cheaper than an equivalent PC despite there is no real reason to think so. On a market where DLSS is king and everyone wants an RTX.
>>736838696>When has power ever mattered in gaming?Tell me you're born yesterday without telling me you're born yesterday
>>736835021playstation is competitive in all 3 regions, xbox basically only exists in one region
>>736839947So, tell me anon, when has power won a generation? If powered mattered, Xbox wouldn't have lost every single generation in console gaming, the ROG Xbox Ally X wouldn't have lost against the Steam Deck, again, when has power ever won anything in gaming? Power means jack shit.
>>736835021>how come the ps3 could launch a comeback but this thing couldn't?PS3 was backed and propped up by gaming "journalist" and gaming sites like IGN. Uncharted, TLOU, and other story games finally validated their occupation by giving the illusion that video games were now a serious medium like film/movies thus giving rise to the pompous, pretentious Playstation fan archetype. Also just flat out a ton of anti Xbox propaganda had already flooded the internet.
>>736840701>Also just flat out a ton of anti Xbox propaganda had already flooded the internet.Looking back, Microsoft deserved it because they started that paid journalist shit in the first place.
>>736835695Microsoft published games. Valve left them in the dust by being the main distributor of games. Microsoft probably thought having stocks in Gamestop & EB Games was enough. Turns out Valve was a decade ahead of them and crushed the PC market.
>>736839943This. Halo was already over. The fight was finished. Gears had become stale as well. Only Forza was AAA quality and a racing game is not enough to be a flagship title. All games would release on both consoles. All you xcucks know what your flagship game was? It was Titanfall. You all dumped it for cowadooty black ops and other generic shooters while that superior franchise existed. Titanfall 2 was also hardly picked up because Microshit actively sabotaged it along with EA to take over the entire studio despite them making a flagship title for Microsoft. Talk about betrayals.
>>736835021botched optics/public opinion and xbox didnt fully capitalize on ps3's launch failure which was mostly a price issue rather than a whole "console for everything" stick. xbox 360 vs ps3 ended in a stalemate also thanks to microsofts RROD and lackluster games in the end of the gen for it.
>>736835021Doesnt have anything like TLOU2 and Bloodborne
>>736835021That generation Sony only won because of a PR victory during the E3 when the Xbox One was announced. Sony was also bragging about things that would stop mattering in that very generation, the transition from physical to digital games. You also need to understand that at the time Sony's fanbase was largely poor people that picked the ps3 because it had free online. A classic case of people feeling inadequate and feeling the need to defend the only thing they can afford. So there was already a large audience of sony fans that simply hated Xbox because they couldnt afford online. Sony made a video mocking xbox for not being able to trade digital games with your friends or sell them to gamestop for 2 cents, and in that moment it was pretty much over.And in that generation everyone's consoles became Netflix machines / multimedia devices. Also helps to remember that PS1, PS2, and PS3's major selling point was being a CD, DVD, and Bluray player, but sony's fans only care when another company sees the writing on the wall and markets a console for digital purchases and streaming content. People were peer pressured into supporting ps4, the ps4 went to a subscription model like xbox, it became a netflix machine like xbox, went digital like xbox. And that Digital Library sony players created on ps4 is one of the reasons Phil Spencer believed all future xboxs would struggle to compete with because millions of player's games are trapped in a closed eco system with playstation.console wars are one giant sunk cost fallacy in motion. the quality of the product dont actually matter. And if people cared about selling used games to gamestop or trading/stealing games friend their friends, then they should want Nintendo strung up.
>>736839943>HaloHalo 4 and 5 were greatbut it suffered from the problem of Bungie fans and Nostalgiafags4 had a great campaign and reach like multiplayer5's campaign was also good with the best multiplayer the series had.but quality doesnt matter when your dealing with irrational fan basesi heard something about the new gears games maybe dipping into its book universe, so it might be interesting to see it happen again where illiterate masses get fuming mad because they cant understand the story they werent paying attention to in the first place. Gears 4 and 5 are also the best in the series. Their quality increased, but i guess im the only one that played them to know.
>>736835634>>Pretty much their entire fan base moved to PCme and a lot of my friends did exactly that
They cancelled Scalebound. That's all you need to know
>>736841927>5's campaign was also good
>>736835021PS3 had great late gen exclusives and the Xbon3 didn't.
>>736835021Because despite Microsoft begrudgly shelving most of their "always online" bullshit. The suits at Microsoft couldn't help but see the success of the 360 and say, "lets do the opposite of that!" They still tried to make it a funny little Roku box that plays games and tries to sell you them as a service.I still have this hunk of shit in my living room. Haven't turned it on in 5 years. I also haven't gotten the new consoles since I got a PC so I have no idea if they are still trying that shit on the new refrigerator model they pushed out.
>xbox 1, too fucking big>xbox 360, the white man's box>xbox one, tv tv tv>xbox series, we have given up on giving our consoles normal names
>>736835021Despite the meme, PS3 did get games people actually liked, some very good ones too. Xbone never did.
>>736841670It's your retarded mindset as to why the Helix project is going to be one big fat failure and Microsoft will be stuck as a sinking ship that is their third-party move. As they will either choose going AA, or choose trying to squeeze money out of everyone with live-service slop.
>>736837074This. I remember being at a GameStop circa 2017 and overhearing people talk about how the Xbox One doesn't support used games, even though that was dropped before the damn thing even launched.The amount of reputational damage publicly announcing that shit did to the brand can not be overstated.
>>736841927This post is a shitpost
>>736843217>It's your retarded mindset as to why the Helix project is going to be one big fat failureim on pc. their fate doesnt matter to me. i have no loyalty to corporations.>>736843270people on /v/ are incapable of believing someone can have an opinion that doesnt match their hivemind.
>>736835021Xbots were far more fairweather fans than Snoys
>>736842868>They still tried to make it a funny little Roku box that plays games and tries to sell you them as a service.It makes sense it went this way when you look at the late stage of the 360. Went more and more sanitized and "no no no, this is a multimedia machine please use it to watch netflix, youtube, ect".
>>736838165>It's so bad no one knows what the hell Helix is,Why do they keep doing this stupid shit? Just tell people what things are going to be instead of making it a complete fucking surprise for launch day. Nobody gives a fuck about surprises anymore. State your fucking business or fuck off and die. Tell us months in advance what your plans are or kill yourselves.
>>736835021Kinect in 2010 was when the rot really set in
>>736843827>Sony serves bullshit with the PS3>Fans go to the 360>Microsoft serves bullshit with the Xbone>Fans go to the PS4Makes sense.
