Will Dawn of War 4 bring back the RTS genre from the dead?
>>736837978No but i hope it will be a decent 40k game
>40k post-3rd ed
hopefully last stand mode is fun
>>736837978doubt it but it looks like it will be fun
>>736838207This but 7th
>>736837978RTS is normalfag casual filter.
>>736837978doubt it but it has a decent chance to be popular by rts standards, also to any fag that managed to get into the recent close alpha tell us about it
>>736839376Yeah this is the first time I've been excited for an RTS in well over a decade.
I wonder how the devs feelNo matter how good DoW4 is, it's just become a minor stopgap until we all play Total War 40kMust be so fucking demoralizing to see your game become irrelevant before it even comes out
>>736844058They're completely different games. There might be some overlap, but they also have different audiences.
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>>736837978Lol
>>736844341tell me morepreferably not in chingchong
>>736844058>consoles
>>736844283They really aren't. At their core they're pretty similar and TW has the advantage of having more depth due to its strategic layer and long-form style campaign and we're not even getting into how much easier it is to do things like expansions as the sandbox nature of its campaign makes it easy to just slot new things in.DoW is crippled by needing to be simple and easy enough to finish games in a 20-30 minute session. While on paper this is good for capturing a more casual market in reality this will likely only hurt it since TW has the benefit of being much larger scale and the easy difficulty levels in single player hold your hand enough to make it fun for casual audiences.It's honestly crazy how many people got brought in by the warhammer fantasy games from the casual audience and none of them really have any desire to go back to the more traditional arena style RTS.DoW really is a cursed franchise.
>>736844058Nobody gaf about consolized total war, blud
>>736837978No, no micro units and no strategic positioning
Maybe I'm finally 100% jaded but I can't get excited for dawn of war 4 or 40k total war. Might be it's just pattern recognition.
>>736845010TW has the great disadvantage of being made by total war devs, who have consistently churned out disappointing dross for a little over a decade now.
>>736845285Seethe harder history cuck
>>736837978No, but they'll attempt to monetize every aspect of the game starting with lords and factions.
The devs made a mid-RTS, the alpha so far is literally trash
>>736837978Total War: W40K seems to have more much excitement around it
>>736845509DOW4 trailer in comparison.
>>736844517Haha look at them go!
>>736845471Isn't it made by the people behind iron harvest which was just a shit copy of CoH which is also a complete failure of a series now?A copy of a copy of a failure isn't exactly an inspiring jumping off point.
>>736845010>At their core they're pretty similar and TW has the advantage of having more depth due to its strategic layerDawn of War has base building (1 & 3), TW does not. That alone is already enough to not only set it apart gameplay-wise but to also make it stands out.
>>736845509>>736845558Totally different gameplay. But it's great both are being made so people can pick the one they like. I've never been into Total War games, but always liked RTS and played the shit out of Dawn of War 1. Dawn of War 4 is the only game I'm looking forward to even though I think picking mechanicus as one of the starting factions was a poor choice.
>>736845471Source on the alpha being trash?
>>736838207>3-edWe didn't know how good we had it bros.
>>736845650KING Art has a pretty underwhelming resume, yeah
>>736845509What is there to be excited about? Paid skins? Paid lords? Paid races? Just total war fantasy but less for more? Or should I be excited about console limitations in this multiplatform slop? Or maybe nu-hammer gay shit such as the fuck is that gaynigger on the cover or Fem custodies?Nah, I'm good.
DOW4 is only interesting because the Blood Ravens are backTrue 40k fans are waiting for TW40k
>>736845509Creative assembly can't code melee to save their lifeExpect shit like dreadnoughts or heroes getting stuck in terrain or trash units instead of charging through to get to enemy shooters and fleeing units being invulnerable to melee.It has been an issue in tww since the first game and I doubt they'll fix it
>>736845831>paid goolimanI WILL BE THERE
>>736837978zoomers who grew up on mobile trash and console movie games arent into RTS
>>736845650It doesn't help that they've apparently never actually played a DoW game since they think they're the first to put necrons in one
>>736845831Paid blood DLC in a 40k game is going to be fucking funny.
>>736845745they wanted a new faction that wasn't in a previous dawn of war game, discounting the marine subfactions that left mechanicus, genestealer cult, custodes, or votann
>>736845897>I'll buy the skin for 40$, play the game once only to realise its dogshit, zoom in my man(?) guillimaam and never play it againSeems like you are the target audience for this garbage, have fun!Twwh40k just like Diablo 4 is IQ test, you fail it by buying it.
>>736846121>they wanted a new factionWhat for? Majority of the fanbase cares only about KAOS and loyal muhrines
>>736846246You underestimate how many people like the cog boys.
>>736845831dont forget mandatory Denuvo tanking ur performance
>>736846084It's xbox/ps5 game, consoles are much more restrictive when it comes to gore and blood... so if CA says that there will be no more blood packs, I believe them, they simply won't add any gore to it or limit it to bare minimum (and Star Wars fans will love it!).
>>736846246Just like GW I forgot about chaos daemons as a stand alone faction too
>>736845731The base building in DoW is so shallow it may as well not even exist. It effectively exists to be an exercise in route memorization and the things that are siituationally, defensive structures, aren't good enough to justify spending the resources on when fighting anything other than the lowest difficulty CPUs.You're actually throwing the game in multiplayer if you spend time and resources on those instead of troops to harass your opponents with.
>>736845069>Nobody gives a fuck about the game that has been wishlisted more than DOW IVInteresting opinion, did you come up with it on your own?
Anybody get into any of the alphas?I've been denied 4 times
>>736846331>so if CA says that there will be no more blood packs, I believe them, they simply won't add any gore to it why do you make stuff up, they said they're never selling blood packs as a separate purchase again and it will automatically be included in all future titles from the beginning
>>736846397>other than the lowest difficulty CPUs.And average team game player
>>736846913I never tried because I assume both games will be awful.
>>736845831TW:40K arrives in glory with a new engine, mechanical improvements, actual, true faction variety and no focus on gay superheroes, instead being all about custom yourdudesIt's already a masterpiece>>736846331>>736846084It already was confirmed that Blood and Gore won't be DLC anymore. In fact it was one of the most obvious tips that TW:40K is next
>>736846246Necrons and Tyranids are right behind Marines in popularity
>>736843818Same. They launched a bunch of closed Alpha tests then went radio silence after talking about feedback they got, so they're slowing down to try and fix whatever people's complaints were (mostly desync'd animations and making the game closer to DoW1 play speed from what I have heard) so I am optimistic it will be a fun game by the time it launches.
>>736844058There is a good chance CA fucks it up or just delivers something mediocre. No reason to abandon all hope.
>>736849283Only in social media, GW only cares about sales and Chaos Marines outsells most Xenos factions combined, and any of them individually. Regular space marines still outsell everyone else with ease. The setting exists for space marines to fight each other and everything else is just a distraction.
>>736845416>Primarch Campaign dlc>Primarch and Campaign are sold separately
>>736849197>new engineI will see it when I believe it.
>>736849552This is blatantly false and ironically enough screams of only interacting with 40k secondaries on social media. Especially Undivided CSM struggle. By now Nids overtook Death Guard.Everyone has some Marines, since they are free entry faction, alongside other armieshttps://40kstats.goonhammer.com/#GbF
I hope single player has randomly generated missions.
>>736849817that list proves him ovwrwhelmingly correct though?
>>736850187NopeUndivided CSM struggle and CSM as a whole are carried by a separate army of Death Guard which got massively boosted by 8th Starter SetNecrons and Nids were always extremely popular and more so than CSM for a long time already.Orks will be boosted further by 11th starterAside from that, there was never before more love put into smaller factions and Xenos. DoWkiddie era 40k is all muhreens. Nowadays GW keeps making new factions and expanding random stuff like fucking Kroot even and that's exactly what fanbase wants. By the time of TW:40K there will be Dark Admech and Exodites as well.Talking about CSM bias in particular is funny. Out of 4 DoW games only first game had them in a base game.
>>736845509>>736845558Both look great, looking forward to playing both of them
>>736844517So any chance the total war one will be decent ?
>>736850096>>736849787We already know all of thisIt's a new engine with destruction and customization never seen before. You can level down entire map, open pathways on a map or on the contrary block them out with falling debris, which will damage units it crushesThere are both premade (like 500 Worlds/Maelstorm/Eye of Terror/Armageddon right now) and generated systemsPlanets function like TWs did since Rome 1 with regionsSpace between planets is a seaYou can play a massive IE sized campaign in a system with 10 planets, fight for a single planet or just take part in a single battle. All of them will influence your faction on AoW Planetfall style Empire mode.You can make your faction like in AoW selecting traits and customizing units which can have varied gear within a single squadTWW3 is just a prototype/backported sloppy seconds from TW:40K. Daniel customization. Sieges having points to capture and constructing buildings midbattle. Domination gamemode/survival battles with constantly pouring in reinforcements. Directional armor system which suddenly showed up. All those gimmicky hordes from Ogres to Changeling to Aislinn to Chaos Warriors all being prototypes for factions like Space Marines and Eldar. etcTW40k is a Chapter Master + DoW Dark Crusade/Soulstorm
>>736845558Hope is the first step in the road to disappointment
I have nurgle and nid fatigue.
>>736851132when was the last time nurgle was even in a 40k game
>>736851215darktide???????vermintide is also nurgle-coded
>>736837978It won't have modding so noNeither will CA's slop
>>736851239Honestly I forgot darktide existed. I barely remembered that Space Marine 2 had tyranids, I was gonna call that out too. I guess I entered this thread with strategies in mind.
>>736849817Necrons, Nids, and DG are only high only the list because they came with thw recent Start Sets that every Marine player buys, and is the set that GW themselves constantly shill to new players. Their popularity is mostly artificial because most of the time it's Marine players not being able to sell the non-Marine half of the starter and opting to simply take in that faction because they nowchave a decent starting point.They are not popular by their own merit.
>>736851215Darktide, Vermintide 2, Chaos Gate, Boltgun, will get more dlcs in TWW, unlike other Monogods.
Another COH clone, wasted potential.
>>736851376Yes, and? That's the very strength of 40k. Each starter set is by default interesting to every single 40k players since all of them have some Marines. Then Marinefags are forced to pay for Xeno/Chaos half anyway and are either stuck with it thus starting 2nd army or it's their problem to sell that half, while GW already got their money. This also floods second hand market with cheaper minis of an adversary faction, further boosting their popularity. This is why it's so important to have posterboy faction and why GW wanted Fantasy/AoS to also have faction like this. It lets GW boost popularity of other factions, because it's in their best interest for people to start as many factions as it is possible.Now Orks will be even more popular with cross shilling of DoW4, TWW40K and 11th Edition, while CSM will be even less relevant.
>>736837978Nah, might still be fun though.
>>736851737The problem with your line of thought is the assumption that GW doesn't take this false-popularity into account and believes non-Marine factions are popular.GW knows all this. They know Marine fans will buy anything. They also know 90% of the modern fanbase only cares about Marines.GW doesn't put factions in the Starter Sets to boost those factions, they do it based upon what they think makes the Marines look good. There's a reason Tau and Eldar have never been in a starter set; They aren't immediately evil in the eyes of new players, thus they detract from the 'good guy' imagery that GW wants Marines to have.Orks and Nids and Necrons aren't put in starters because GW wants them to be popular, they're put there to make Marines look cooler. If those factions get a boost then it's little more than a happy side effect for GW, since Marines are what matter.
>>736837978No. And trying to force an RTS into being the next big esport is exactly why every single modern RTS floppedJust accept its a niche genre and make a game for your fanbase.
>>736844058Nu-TW is terrible.>>736845010>TW has the advantage of having more depthNot anymore.
>>736854219Who said anything about e-sports?
>>736837978RTS is not dead. RTS games are still released. It's only "dead" because AAA companies refuse to take risks and don't understand that the future of the genre does not lie in multiplayer and e-sports. Nor in listening to those competitive e-sports dolts.>>736838207Give it a break. 3rd and 4th EDs may have been THE BEST (also you are a damn heretic for not including 4th), but up to 7th ED it was all still 40K.You should've written 40k post-7th ED because after 7th is where everything went down the drain.
>>736854731>RTS is not dead. RTS games are still released. It's only "dead" because AAA companies refuse to take risks and don't understand that the future of the genre does not lie in multiplayer and e-sports. Nor in listening to those competitive e-sports dolts.The genre is dead in the sense that no good games have been released this decade.
>>736854849Still isn't dead. Even if no RTS games got released this year.
>>736854216>GW doesn't put factions in the Starter Sets to boost those factions, they do it based upon what they think makes the Marines look good.This is where you are wrong. They want for all armies to be popular. This is why they keep releasing even completely niche and random stuff like Kroot or reimagine and bring back old factions like Squats, Genestealers or even make new ones like AdmechThey can afford experimentation now and so they do it.>There's a reason Tau and Eldar have never been in a starter set; They aren't immediately evil in the eyes of new players, thus they detract from the 'good guy' imagery that GW wants Marines to have.Having good vs evil scenario in a starter set for marketing purposes doesn't mean that they only care about Marines. Good guy spot simply always has to be occupied by them, since they are posterboys everyone has. Otherwise gimmick doesn't work.>Orks and Nids and Necrons aren't put in starters because GW wants them to be popular, they're put there to make Marines look cooler. If those factions get a boost then it's little more than a happy side effect for GW, since Marines are what matter.They are in starters explicitly for this very reason. Otherwise every starter would be against this same enemy>>736854219>>736854731RTS games have no replay value save for MP. It's their only saving grace, otherwise people uninstall them the second they finish linear cinematic campaigns. All of the recent attempts at saving RTS did so with linear singleplayer campaigns because breaching AoE/Starcraft/CoH hold is impossible. And all of them died, from Homeworld to Iron Harvest.>>736854731>You should've written 40k post-7th ED because after 7th is where everything went down the drain.40k was never better than it is now. There was nothing but marinesloppa before Primaris saved the setting. Only Forge World attempted to do something more interesting back then.
>>736854926The last time a worthwhile RTS released was AoE2 DE, that was in 2019, and the original game is god knows how old. Before that, I don't know, SC2 maybe? RTS is dead as hell.
>>736855040>RTS games have no replay value save for MPlol I've been playing warcraft 3 for 20 years, and only maybe 1% of that was multiplayer
>>736855092liarNobody replays ad infinitum linear cinematic campaigns the second they finish them. Which is why all RTS games die soon after release. Every single one of them. There is no way to support title after that for a developer, since playerbase is gone.
>>736854849Well Tempest Rising and BAR is pretty good
>>736855257What? There are new maps and campaigns coming out for WC3 every year. It's never stale.
>>736855040>There was nothing but marinesloppa before Primaris saved the setting.Bullshit. Primaris ruined 40K. They are literally one of the problems with 40K. So much so GW had to bring back the MK.7 helmets to fool people into buying them.
>>736855394WC3 was trash even when it was new. It's one of the worst things to happen to RTS genre.
>>736845509>>736845558>shows me 2 good looking fun gamesWow thanks anon!
>>736855654yeah, you're mad
>>736844058>will be dogshit>will be a massive success. I hate Warhammer slop munchers so much.
>>736855394Only thing that matters is a concurrent playerbase of a constantly living games. Any games that do not meet this criteria are dead. And in case of RTS it means everything aside from Starcraft/CoH/AoE.You do not play Warcraft every day like it's done with TWW. Nobody does it, because linear cinematic campaigns RTS are known for do not have ANY replay value, unlike sandbox grand campaigns of Total War/Paradox games. The only, sole replay value RTS games have is in multiplayer. And no other RTS game will manage to have it's multiplayer successful since this spot is already occupied.>>736855586Primaris are the very savior of GW and it's explicitly of their success that GW can experiment with other factions and other games now. Like making Kroot and Eldar Corsair expansions, various subfactions for every faction, create Genestealers/Votann/Admech armies, soon Exodites and Darkadmech or make side games like The Old World bringing back WHFB back. It's only because of Primaris all of this happened, they pay for this all. With a help of contrast paints.>So much so GW had to bring back the MK.7 helmets to fool people into buying them.This is such an absurdly retarded secondary take it's unreal. Ironically people hate on those nuPrimaris 11th Edition marines with Darth Vader memberberry helmet.
>>736844058I don't think Total War 40k will be as bad as people are saying it will be, but I also don't think it will be as good as they hope it could be.
>>736855879It's already the best TW game ever made
>>736855852Of course. WC3 is gay trash for retarded faggots, and it played a big role in the RTS genre dying.
>>736855906oh I'm talking to a steamcharts tard, nevermind, I will not reply to you anymore
>>736845509Will it have firstborn marines or just primaslop?
>>736855996There is no other criteria for a dead game. Concurrent playerbase is of utmost importance. Without it there will be no expansions, no updates, no community and no talk about the game. It will be dead. As all RTS are.>>736856024Fortunately only Primaris. No call of duty/star wars angry helmeted slop there
>>736856125>Fortunately only Primaris>fortunatelygr8 b8 m8 'eres ur (You)
>>736844341>>736844517source?
>>736855906on the upside DoW4 will have last stand mode so that'll help keep the casuals playing it
>>736856250They are simply what Marines always were meant to be. Actual Knights in space. All angry face marines were just a tacticool darth vader memberberries in diapers
>>736856518It didn't help DOW2 lol
Anyone got some leaks from the ongoing alpha?
>>736855906>Primaris are the very savior of GW and it's explicitly of their success that GW can experiment with other factions and other games now. Like making Kroot and Eldar Corsair expansions, various subfactions for every faction, create Genestealers/Votann/Admech armies, soon Exodites and Darkadmech or make side games like The Old World bringing back WHFB back. It's only because of Primaris all of this happened, they pay for this all. With a help of contrast paints.Fuck no. Kroot and Eldar Corsair as their own thing were always valid material and if I remember correctly people wanted those since forever. Same with Exodites.From the lore to the majority of their models, you will never convince me that Primaris are a good addition. Would've accepted the size changes if they said that the Emperor left something for Space Marines in case everything goes tits-up. Something that would unleash their true potential. And instead we get some tech-priest that seemingly appeared out of nowhere and made the Primarchs and Emps look like idiots, casually brings back tech that is either forgotten or in limited amounts back to wider use and seemingly got the green light to "upgrade" what worked well for over 10K.Give me a fucking break. Not to mention, again as I said earlier, most of their units are retarded due to feeling too clean and tacticool. You know which ones I'm talking here.And no, WHFB can't come back as long as this abortion that is AoS exists. If GW were to ET AoS and go back to WHFB, then it would mean that they were horribly wrong about torching the franchise. And now they are combining all the realms and making it into WHFB 2.0. What a clusterfuck.Anyone defending GW's decisions are either an ignoramus, a paid shill or both and I have enough of this drivel.
>>736856556Talk about tryhard gaslighting everyone.
>>7368379782 and 3 were disappointing compared to 1, so I wouldn't count on a potential 4 saving anything really
>>736844058>HURRR THESE GAMES MUST BE COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER TO MAKE ME CUMYou're a pseudo-intellectual faggot who needs to go back to your subreddit. These games aren't similar and your gay post trying to explain why it is makes no sense at all since it just boils down to "UMMM... DOW IS JUST TRYING TO BE TOTAL WAR..." Can't imagine being such an irony poisoned fuck that you go on image boards to try and cause drama between two mutually exclusive games over some weird superiority complex behind liking Total War.
>>736858520Your sad.
>>736844596rion er johnson
>>736858829DoW2 was a great game thoughbeit. Just because it wasn't what you wanted doesn't mean it was bad.
>>736858520>Fuck no. Kroot and Eldar Corsair as their own thing were always valid material and if I remember correctly people wanted those since forever. Same with Exodites.They wouldn't exists if not for Primaris. Only reason GW could afford to experiment with them is because Primaris sell like hotcakes.Primaris are explicitly in line with setting and are an old tech from older, better era coming back. Unlike new developments like MK8. They also look like Knights now, each of their troops carrying plethora of gothic bits, while previous mostly mk7 tactical kit only had tacticool pouches and a handful of ultramarine roman themed bits.Only Phobos configuration, the one explicitly designed to pander to fans of MK7&8 with tacticool pouches and darth vader helmets, is not as knightly as the rest of Primaris
>>736837978Only if I get to kill Tau coons. And bringing us back to Kronus is the best place to kill fishfaces again.
>>736837978>No Soritas on launchI sleep.
>>736845509I'll play both, thanks!
They should just make a Horus Heresy RTS.
>>736837978Lol no, LoL took over and fucking killed it for North America and Asia. Dota 2 killed it for Europe and South Amerca.
>>736844058The only thing this game has over DoW 4:>Seeing different colors over your army which hints that TW bringing back Shogun 2 faction customization >Eldar and Imperial Guard>No fucking Primarch
>>736837978It's by the iron harvest guys so I'm not getting my hopes up.
These alphas they are doing must be small asf with how little has been leaked. I've seen glazing "Well, I can't say much but 10/10, just truly blown away, the team who's leading this knows exactly what we wanted"and it needs to cook"I didn’t play it myself, but many people who did say the game still needs a lot more time"but fuck all for detail
>>736845010>TW has the advantage of having more depth due to its strategic layer and long-form style campaignit's actually the complete opposite. the strategic and tactical layers of tw do nothing but sabotage each other. if you want to play fun battles the strategic layer fucks you up by encouraging you to only take one sided fights and making retarded army compositions based around lord skills. if you just want to map paint the campaign ai will spam you with battles that you will auto resolve 90% of the time and the other 10% will be fights you have no business winning but you need to win anyway so you sit in the corner like a faggot and cheese the retarded ai.
>>736855958You're likely right. I think with just the 4 factions it'll feel a bit anemic, much like the first Warhammer game, and it will take years of DLC and updates to really come into form.
>>736845509i've been wanting to get into total war for a while should i wait for 40k or is there a better first time game? >>736845558i fear dow 4 will have the same weightless starcraft 2 movement dow 3 has we'll see i guess
>>736868697Anybody who gets into 40k for factions other than Space Marines is a fucking retard.
>>736868697This isn't real. Marines do not get an overwhelming amount of releases
>>736868609Generally the best first timer Total War is the one with the setting you like the most. The fantasy games are good, Shogun 2 is good, Medieval 2 is good.
>>736868609>i fear dow 4 will have the same weightless starcraft 2 movementWe differ in that opinion. I don't think SC2's movement is weightless at all. It has by far the best unit movement system in all of RTS. Say all you want about the story and gameplay, but its army control was clean with lots of quality-of-life features. Unit collision gets dynamically disabled whenever it needs to be (a huge problem in DOW). It had a unique system which allowed certain units to scale over impassable terrains. Buildings can be lifted off or be buried underground for repositioning or ease of passage... I really do think that out of all RTS, SC2 is the most movement-conscious which was very soothing to my OCD-addled brain
>>736868697Who would want to play a game about an Eldar or a Necron?
>>736869623every other codex is some kind of marine. they literally gave marines (green) their rules for the current edition before tau.
>>736869623>Marines do not get an overwhelming amount of releasesTitus by himself got more new units than the entire Dark Eldar factiom in 10th.
>>736856607it extended the life quite a bit since most people don't like playing sweaty flag tag
>>736871280Nope. Marines at best have like 30% of releases, counting in all their non codex compliant releases so different armiesPic related already proves this claim wrong and it's actually in favor of Marines since it's outdated and doesn't list releases from current 4 campaigns like a second wave for Eldar>>736871467Nope. Mandrake kit alone btfo TitusKroot got more stuff than UltrasLatching onto Dark Eldar in particular is hilarious since we know they will get their releaseS as well
>>736870262Me, spelves and skellymans are cool.
>>736872448Marines have more named character minis than every other faction put together.>And with this new mini we have finally refreshed the eldar range after two decades!>[Extremely loud throat clearing noise]>And marine players, here are your equal attention minis.
Was DoW3 that bad that killed Relic?
>>736837978I have zero hope for this game. I haven't seen the devs answer any questions on the forums.
>>736873042unfortunately, no
>>736873042I beat the first two and their expansions multiple times. I didn't make it past mission 3 in the third one.
>>736870262>Eldar TPS with Vanquish movement>Eldar metroidvania where you play an Autarch using various Aspects' wargear>Necron Dungeon Keeper (Tomb Keeper?)
If it let's me field armies in the hundreds of both infantry and vehicles then yes. If it's small scale like max 7 infantry squads and 3 vehicles then it's going to die off quickly.
>>736872949>And with this new mini we have finally refreshed the eldar range after two decades!Thanks to Primaris, yes. Range was both refreshed and expanded>And marine players, here are your equal attention minis.Pity characters are named as such because they do not matterChapter agnostic generic marines didn't get shit since release of 10th EditionOther than those you have an awful Blood Angel release, some units for DAngels and Space Wolves which are the only liked ones (but Kroot got more stuff than furries anyway lol)Ultramarines are always cucked since they only get named characters so a worthless generic HQ which GW will stop producing anywayThis equal attention cake is not real. It's a meme by secondaries who heard something from grifter youtuber and then repeat it
>>736873042lot of similarities between dow3 and stormgate, both shitty unfinished sc2 clones
>>736873305DMC like where you play an autarch and the style switch is switching between the various aspect shrines wargear.
>>736873042relic was already going to shit before DoW3, but DoW3 certainly revealed just how bad it got
>>736873042No.It's important to note that the Relic who made DoW3 is not the same Relic that made DoW1 and DoW2. The original Relic was heavily tied to THQ, who acted as publisher for most Relic games. When THQ went bankrupt, Relic closed down and the studio contracts were put up for sale.This is were Sega came in, purchasing Relic and its associated franchises and licenses. DoW3 was the title with the most work done, so it was the first project that the new Relic was delegated to work on. It was not expected to be a great success, and instead was used to orient the revived studio for future work, as they had already secured the contract for Age of Empires 4 and had the new Company of Heroes in early development.In essence, DoW3 was a low budget title they could afford to lose on.
No the genre will only ressurect with my game which is currently just a thought in my mind. Screenshot this and wait 4 to 6 years
>>736844058>Implying TW40K isn't gonna be a bigger shitshow than Darktide was at launch.I suppose you lot weren't around for TWH3's release, eh?
>>736874872That's every total war, rome 2 and warhammer 3 launched as trash fires, but turned into the 2 best rts of the last 10 years
>>736837978are any anons in the upcoming closed beta?
>>736875193Rome 2 is still dogshit without DEI
>>736837978>back the RTS genre from the dead?No, but I hope the devs understand they can't afford to fuck this up.People have said it before, just give us DoW1 while improving on the original aspects
>>736875450It's better than Rome 1
>>736845509god I can't fucking get over how GW is autistically mandating that all future 40k media needs to have lasguns shoot fucking star wars blaster boltsit looks so ass
>No SoB or EldarFucking LMAO
>>736876086Yet*They're all coming, even Leagues of Votaan
>>736876086>he thinks there won't be dlc in current yearReally bro?
>>736876297>>736876215DLC doesn't count lil bro
>>736876357why not
>>736870262>He wouldn't play a Banshees game
>>736876357why?
>>736844341>do not recordlmao guy fucked himself
>>736876410>>736876418Because that basically means the game has a delayed release plus tip if you don't care about Marines and Orks
>>736875967Is this schizo projection? Darktide and Rogue Trader had red lasers. This is the only game I can think of that has projectiles.
>>736856250Wat always evolves gramps, your old m1 garand isn't as good as modern an m27 IAR, same reason primaris surpassed the old marks, or the old marks surpassed the heresy armor
>>736876490DoW1 started with 4 factions
>>736845509>>736845558Total War has developed quite a following of normies and CA's battered housewife fandom but given it's being put on console and they're really leaning into the Sandbox nature of the game, I really don't have high hopes for it's performance. I'm personally much more interested in DoW4 because I haven't invested time into a more traditional RTS in over a decade and it seems like a good opportunity to pick one up. I just hope it's campaigns are good. I have mixed feelings about the Dark Angels making an appearance.
>>736845509>>736845558Both of these games look ugly, 40k needs a better colour pallet.
>>736876907DoW1 released over TWENTY years ago
>>736877663And? Games have only taken longer and more work to make in the past 20 years.
>>736837978RTS genre is alive and well but spread across like 7 games because RTS players are autistic and refuse to play an RTS that doesn't have their very specific needs
>>736877858>across like 7 gamesWhich games are those atm? Afaik Starcraft, Warcraft 3 and Age of Empires 2 are still active
>>736876726>Is this schizo projection?Why do you fucking retards jump straight to "M-M-M-MUH SCHIZO?? MUH PROJECTION???" hostility instead of simply googling anything?Educate yourselfhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/cvvjq1ua/las-canon-how-the-astra-militarums-indomitable-lasgun-works/Starting in Dec 2024, all lasguns are forced by Games Workshop to be depicted as shooting projectiles instead of beams.Darktide, Rogue Trader, and Space Marine all came out before then.Dwan of War 4 (pic related) and Total War 40k both have them shooting projectiles.Every official animation since then now shows them as shooting projectiles.
>>736877909yeah SCBW/SC2, AoE2/4/mythology, War3, DoW1 definitive, tempest rising, spoilesr: I'm not coping you're coping
>>736855906You are a delusional, retarded, moron if you believe that primaris is anything other than the generic, boring shit imaginable in 40k and almost ruined the company.I hope you are trolling.
>>736878424I think BFME 1 & 2 still have a multiplayer scene and a lot of mods
>>736878463*most
>>736878424don't forget the TA derivatives, supcom + zero-k + bar
>>736878204Want to quote a specific line? All of this is just recap if how lasguns have always behaved
>>736878658I meant to add bar
>>736878683>recap of how lasguns have always behavedNo, it's not. It's a complete fabrication.>Want to quote a specific line?sure"Their depiction has been remarkably consistent: they fire discrete, pale white-yellow bolts, not visually dissimilar to the tracers of the hard-round guns they replaced. You can see that lasguns do have a type of muzzle flare – not a flame like gunpowder weapons, but more a flash of light. More recently, we’ve also started to see them pop up on our TV screens and gaming devices with varying examples of what they look and sound like in action. "This of course is not true at all. Not a single piece of official art anywhere prior to this game and article has ever shown them shooting projectiles. They've been drawn shooting beams, a muzzle flash with no beam, or both, but they have never, ever been shown shooting solid projectiles.If you want an actual schizo theory, I personally believe that GW is trying to retcon it as a big "fuck you" to everyone who depicted the lasgun prior to all of the rebranding they've been doing.>they're not imperial guard, they're ASTRA MILITARUM and they shoot blaster bullets, it's our own iconic 100% original depiction that nobody else came up with
>>736879021>Their depiction has been remarkably consistent: they fire discrete, pale white-yellow bolts, not visually dissimilar to the tracers of the hard-round guns they replaced. You can see that lasguns do have a type of muzzle flare – not a flame like gunpowder weapons, but more a flash of light. More recently, we’ve also started to see them pop up on our TV screens and gaming devices with varying examples of what they look and sound like in action.I still don't get it. What exactly are you disputing here? Is it literally just because of the use of the word "Bolt"? Even the final sentence acknowledges they've been depicted numerous different ways over the years. GW is hardly known for consistency in these sorts of things.
>>736837978DoW1 succeeded at being a representation of Epic or Apocalypse DoW2 was good at feeling like normal squad-based tabletop playDoW3 tried and failed at being herohammerwhat game style will DoW 4 try to emulate?
>>736879724They've said they're trying to emulate DoW 1
>>736879825well shit, they might actually redeem the series then
>>736879724Modern tabletop is a complete fucking mess of a game that often feels borderline unplayable. If I had to guess;>Vehicle domination across the board. Infantry that doesn't have a Lascannon will be useless against anything bigger than a Sentinel>Laughably overpowered centerpiece monsters a la Lion. The devs said Lion would just be Campaign only, don't fucking believe them in the slightest. GW will want Primarchs EVERYWHERE.>Melee is dogshit and any army focusing on it will get turned into swiss cheese.>Marines will have a roster twice as large as the other factions with most options being specialist squads. This isn't counting the Chapter-exclusive units that Dark Angels will get (which they will not be limited to, mind you)
>>736879695>I still don't get it. What exactly are you disputing here?I am disputing the fact that the LASER GUNS have """always""" shot projectiles instead of LASER BEAMS.They have never shot bolts.I do not think I could possibly have been more clear but I'll summarize:Lasguns, and by extension all las weaponry, are laser weapons. They shoot lasers.Projectiles resembling tracer rounds are not lasers. By definition a hard projectile that has to spend a visually significant amount of time traveling downrange is not a laser, it is some kind of energy bolt.>Even the final sentence acknowledges they've been depicted numerous different ways over the years.Yes, and the point of the article is to clarify it once and for all what they do. Literally all official 40k media following this article has been mandated, as per the words of the Battlesector devs who are mentioned in this article, that going forward are to portray las weapons as shooting solid projectiles.All available lore describes them as laser weapons that shoot laser beams.Every splatbook describes them as shooting laser beams.They have literally never shot projectiles. Once again:GAMES WORKSHOP IS NOW MANDATING THAT *ALL* DEPICTIONS OF LAS WEAPONRY GOING FORWARD FROM DECEMBER 2024 SHOOTS PROJECTILES, CONSISTENTLYWHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND
>>736880108>The devs said Lion would just be Campaign only, don't fucking believe them in the slightestI don't see why not. They seem to have a pretty level headed approach, even siloing the unit balance of multiplayer and campaign so that one is competitive and the other is fun and thematic.
>>736879825DoW1 fans do not even know why they like the game outside of spamming carpets of squads and mega units.The game will be a failure.
>>736837978it's a pc exclusive game, so there's hope.
>>736880509To be honest I attribute more of DoW1 popularity to the number of model animations and the meme worthy but not necessarily bad voice acting as much to it just being a solid RTS. This is something DoW3 ditched so everything could be "Readable" to comp players.
>>736880509>spamming carpets of squads and mega units.that IS the fun though
>>736880149I don't really understand why you think this matters or has any permanence. They'll change it back at the the moment they think it's preferable that lasguns act like lasers. Which will probably be whatever next big game that has them depicted that way does.
>>736880306>I don't see why notBecause 'fans' will beg to have Lion and eventually Roboute be in multiplayer, and the Daemon Primarchs are the major centerpieces of their respective factions (and in some cases are the only unit holding them together), which will just let the devs go ahead and include the loyalists in turn.
>>736837978No. The devs released nothing but garbage.
