but genuinely, what went wrong? it's not a bad game, nor is it an unfun game it's not a "woke" game for the retards that care about that is it just because it's an extraction shooter?but then ARC raiders is popular, and tarkov, hunt etc all have stable playerbases? genuinely, what exactly is the issue?
its slop
>>736858820it looks weird and not in a good way
>>736858820It's a combination of people not willing to try Marathon for several reasons (Bungie, art style, art theft controversy), the lack of onboarding making new players not stay, and low amount of content making people who aren't as entertained by the gameplay quit after few tens of hours.
>>736858820Low effort entry into the extraction shooter genre with no PvE or single player. Barebones with content. Feels like an indie game made by Bungie. The groans were audible when people realized it was live service and on top of all that, the budget price makes it feel more like a budget title, despite it probably costing 300mil or more with a team of hundreds
>>736858820the playtesta lot of people that would have bought it just for the artstyle or because their friends were also buying and then would be forced to learn because of the sunk cost just played the beta realised its not for them and moved onthats why they stopped releasing demos - they actually lower the sales at least acording to some study i remember
>>736861175>Low effortHow is Marathon "low effort"?>Feels like an indie game made by Bungie.Bungie by definition can't make an indie game.>The groans were audible when people realized it was live serviceYeah, no one expected Bungie to make a live service game. How could they stoop so low?>the budget price makes it feel more like a budget title, despite it probably costing 300mil or more with a team of hundredsFinally, a good point. I agree that Marathon doesn't feel like a 200 million+ dollar game.
Nobody has heard of the Marathon series
>>736858820you and I must have different definitions of woke because I took one look at cyberfloyd and tapped out
>>736858820It's literally Destiny 1 trials but battle royale, same 12 year old shooting mechanics and all, there's nothing to salvage on this game.Google Destiny x Concord comparison.
>>736861991WE WUZ CONCORDIANS
>>736861991His design really grew on me. But they should hive him some hair.
>>736858820It has some of the dumbest and ugliest designs I've ever seen in a video game. It's like they were trying to out-Concord Concord, only with a ridiculous cyberpunk aesthetic. You would have no idea it had anything to do with Marathon if that wasn't the game's title. The one semi-decent character design, the tank/shield guy that sorta looks like the Marathon security guard, is not enough to make up for a bunch of literal cyber trannies and androgynous groid robots.Beyond that, it's yet another extraction hero shooter. Both genres were old a decade ago.The only positive gameplay mechanic I see is that TTK seems fairly high for the most part, but this seems to result in you sitting in a corner and injecting yourself with scifi goop for 30 seconds straight every time you take damage.
>>736862447>You would have no idea it had anything to do with Marathon if that wasn't the game's titleThe UESC Marathon in every skybox kind of gives it away.
>>736858820Let's see, who is the target audience?>NormiesThey already have Ark Raiders, this is just thr CoD fallacy again.>OG Marathon fansThey wanted a single player game, not something that has barely anything to do with the IP>Bungie fansGot already fucked by Destiny 2, why would they play a live service that is liable to remove weapons/other cool shit?The only ones that remain are Bungie super fans that will play litterally anything the company puts out and random people who occasionally try other multiplayer games because "it looks cool", not nearly enough to sustain the playerbase Bungie would need.
>>736863658>The only ones that remain are Bungie super fansI've never played a Bungie game before Marathon.
>>736863738>and random people who occasionally try other multiplayer games because "it looks cool"Don't worry, your demographic is accounted for.
I don't want to play as a nigger robot. Do you hear me Bungie? You're faggots now enough your shit reputation and gay fans.
>>736858820It is a bad extraction shooter. Not even tarkov has that much stupid shit, and it was made for actual ziggers and those innawoods /k/reeps.And its not bad in sense of artwork, or story reboot (because it is a reboot of Marathon trilogy). Not because of general gameplay (guns, reloads, movement, loot management), but because of how it forces you to play it - slams your face right into PvP, gaslights you into KOS, gives you cognitive dissonance about what to pursue in the game by telling you to KOS while at the same time telling you to play it safe. Devs diddled the game into being a sweatfest because they catered it to streamers, and the moment paycheck ran out those streamers ditched it like an ugly baby.Anyway, here is a more coherent list of why its a bad game - picrel.
>>736864001There are 5 others.
>>736862994>a single asset>in the skyboxAmazing. Fortnite is a Batman game.
>>736864814Well, there is also a map set on UESC Marathon.
>>736861991Kissable lipsI love negroes
>>736858820It's not the original.
>>736861686>Yeah, no one expected Bungie to make a live service game. How could they stoop so low?It's not the fact of Bungie making a live service game that it's an issue, the issue is that we're currently in a market oversaturated by the live service genre. Nobody wants another live service game because there's already been a million of them, and the only thing that Marathon brings to the table is its art style.
>>736858820>What went wrongEye rape ugly. Not fun. Horrible balance. Seems to be a mix of completely random shit that doesn't really fit together.
>>736864115>slams your face right into PvPI think this is the biggest reason Marathon isn't doing well. Look at today's gamers: they're frightened of PvP to the point where, in Arc Raiders, they start screaming, "RAT! THERE'S A RAT OVER HERE! RAT!" anytime someone shoots at them instead of being a heckin' friendo trying to help them compwete their widdle PvE quests. Casualfags won the gaming war and now games that force you to git fucking gud suffer atrophied playerbases because of it.
>>736858820>generic extraction slop, with Indian AI sauce and stolen asset sides.>$250 Million dollaridoo budget>Meaning the game would need to sell Six million copies, at $40, to make a profit.genuinely, what went right? What were they thinking?
>>736868320I think Marathon both looks good and is fun.
>>736869054>with Indian AI sauce
>>736858820It went with a bizarre aesthetic without going all in. It could have had a representation of a society that has become so removed from their human origins that they have become truly alien. Instead they just look like retarded nonbinary people straight out of that Jaguar commercial.
How is destiny 2 doing anyways? Does bungie atleast have that to fall back on?
>>736869452God why did I save this horrible AI image? What the fuck even is this
>>736858820I don't wanna play an(other) extraction shooter.Especially not one that looks like a gay QR code.
>>736861991ay ayoo, hol up....
>>736868753>Look at today's gamers: they're frightened of PvPNah. People dont want to play a PvP game where the game allows one side or the other to have an unfair advantage over the other, and where one cannot beat that advantage with just skill alone, or where beating that unfair advantage requires military-grade tactics and co-ordination.People dont have time for that shit. People dont have mental bandwidth for that shit. Worse still, games like that allow you to have unfair advantage by simply sinking enough time into it by brute-force grinding it. meaning if someone is a NEET and has all the time in the world, they can simply sink in 12-16-18 hours each day, and in few days have whatever it is that an average player would have in 2 weeks. Then the NEET exerts that over the average player.Even worse than that, this is a game where you have an inventory, you have loot, and you lose that loot when you dont exfil. Meaning you are are open to be griefed, because there are people who make it their ENTIRE life's goal to grief/bother/piss off/enrage/etc other people and thus they latch onto ANY game that allows them to do that in order to derive pleasure or inflate ego.And then there is a simple fact that this is an online game. Meaning there will be cheaters because they love unfair advantage and avoid fair play like a plague. And since the game uses anti-cheat that has been used for atleast 10 years and by games almost exactly like it, it is a 100% probability that it will be infested by cheaters.So tell me, why would anyone bother playing this game? Where unfair play is encouraged, while promoting itself to be "hardcore" and being designed as an esport? Controller aimbot, cheats, hardware hacks, unfair advantage - those are competitive? Maybe, if the game is outbullshit the bullshitter.And so it comes down to "git gud" - not to the average player, but to PvPfags who cannot play anything with an actual fair play. And since you are one, anon, fuck you.
>>736858820The art style, people who play extraction shooters are military nerds and prefer realistic aesthetics. This is why EFT is so popular.
>>736858820>but genuinely, what went wrong?it's a pretty good game but it was INSANELY costly. it's only chance was being a rare freak success like Helldivers 2 or Arc Raiders.
