Why are zoomers so obsessed with videogames being considered serious art?
stop posting screenshots from other websites because you are afraid of confrontation and don’t want to say something to that person yourself
Gotta justify all that wasted time somehow.At least our parents were honest about handegg and TV as a whole being a waste of time.
>>736878921I already replied to him there.
gamers have been fighting this retarded battle since Roger fucking Ebert, zoomers are just keeping the tradition alive and still retarded
>>736878867>xitter imageI'll take it seriously just for youBoth people in that image are retarded. If you can't make a fun game and can only make a shitty movie experience, fuck off and make a movie that no one will watch instead.If you fear video games asking you to have motor function, I don't know, rot in your bedroom I guess. Driving a car or the act of leaving your own house might be too challenging for you.
The truth is, art died when the camera was invented.
>>736878867i dont agree with the zoomer but, the "i play games to relax" kind of fags are just as badthey're dad gamer tier retards
>>736879006Its a valid discussion point and most of the "games are art" zoomers aren't here, but it's very prevalent onlineDidn't know what other pic to post.
>>736879064I play Tetris to relax but it's the autistic version where the blocks just appear at the bottom of the screen
I will never understand the ongoing fascination people have to say that games are just toys and can never be anything else. It would be like in the 1930s if there was a bunch of people who still kept insisting that films are an outgrowth of stories and stories are something a mother tells to their children and therefore no serious discussion should ever be had. Even in the world of sports you rarely have this sentiment that sports are just children's game and therefore nobody should care.
>>736878867some films are art, some are entertainment.same for video games.
>>736878867I would take this guy over the "i play video games to relax" retards any day
>>736878867>Why are zoomers so obsessed with videogames being considered serious art?Thats millennials tho, zoomers play multiplayer games with pure gameplay
Because zoomers are so hopeless they want to pretend their only hobby, a mindless, valueless escapism tool is somehow artistic. It's not new though, but it's definitely far more violently apparent with zoomers because you can see how they also screech about AI and it "ruining the art" lmaoooooooooo
>>736878867this is so pretentious.it is not like I can't experience the things mentioned or see value in them, but that is not all there is to games. Games at the end of the day are just a medium and anyone looking to narrowly define them is very unserious.
videogames arent sports or art"artistic" videogames are wokeslop non-game garbage
So they can legitimize games to people who hate them and always will. But that triggers the trap of "Since it's art it must be held to a higher standard". Which is what gets you another Neil Druckman.
>>736879460sandbox games and social games arent pure gameplay albeit
Relaxation is an emotion too.
>>736879542The best "Artsy" games are the ones that aren't plagued with movie influences like Metal Gear or Last of Us.
>>736878867Because we're sick of boomers still refusing to take them seriously after half a century. Imagine something existing for 50 fucking years and still being told its cringe and dumb toys for kids and you're a failure for taking them seriously, even as the oldest gamers are fucking retirement age.
>>736879638According to these fags any sort of emotion that involves joy, pleasure or comfort isn't valid.Berserk fans basically.
>>736879702Movies existed for far longer and they're cringe retarded toys for kids too
>>736879638>playing games to relaxfine>going out of your way to bitch in every game community that you dont want to engage or try or do anything hard because "i play games to relax"absolute faggot tier, that's usually the kind of people going out of their way to exclaim that they play games to relax
>>736879815Anyone who thinks this is 100% some kind of corpo agent who thinks the only value in life is working (always for someone else's benefit of course) and any and all entertainment is a waste. You have been brainwashed by the economic system.
>>736878867he's right, not that time wasters don't and shouldn't exist but most games that are good challenge the player.
>>736879897>the only value in life is workingNo, but there are fun toys and retarded toysVidya is funMovies are not
Video games can’t be art. That one movie critic guy with a turkey neck and missing jaw already said so. What was his name again, the Gobbler?
>>736879865turning videogames into non-games for artistic purposes is absolute faggot tier though?
>>736878867This idea that art is anything that elicits emotion needs to die. Who benefits from diminishing art to the level of a fart?
>>736879953Fun is subjective, it is impossible for you to sit there and tell someone enjoying a film they're not having fun. You're objectively incorrect.
>>736880019how do you define art?
>>736880005where the fuck did I say that you fucking retard
>>736878867Both of them are faggots.If you want to play games to relax do it, but don't bitch about the fact that there are autists who want to make them into a masochistic ritual, because that's what they enjoy. If someone else wants to play a game to relax, who the fuck are you to tell them "Noooo stop playing video games NOW" if you don't play them for the same reason?This is like those threads that used to flood /v/ about movie games/walking sims/visual novels. There was an entire wave of retards who would go on and on about how those "games" should not exist because they don't like them/don't personally think that's what a video game should be. Then don't play it or support it faggot.
>>736880079it's your own reply being used against you
>>736878867It started with gen onions and basedlennials pushing walking sims as "deep". Shit like Braid, Gone Home, TLOU, etc. They want games to conform to "artistic standards" they hold A24 flicks to when games are art of their own merit.It's basically plebs who only touch AAA slop unable to think for themselves and always has been.
>>736880056>it is impossible for you to sit there and tell someone enjoying a film they're not having funTrue, I can't stop them from having fun, but I can objectively tell they're retarded for having fun watching movies and it will be an objectively correct statement
>>736878867Getting a blowjob invokes a pretty substantial amount of emotion in me. Does that mean cocksucking is art?
>>736879897Quite the opposite. Most movies are sludge for retards like capeshit or Netflix slop.Not every movie is art.
>>736880208When your mom does it, it is
>>736880208yeah, rapists are artists apparently since they invoke so much emotion
>>736880154That hammer is curved.
>>736878867> not treat it like a second jobThis is the kind of person to play Gacha and MMOs because they are a "Chill time" even though all they do is grind garbage day in and day out.
>>736880208The honest answer is yes, because it involves technique that women either learn or don't. They sell videos and books about good blow jobs. It's just crude enough of an act that it doesn't fit into the western acceptance of "art" where everything is a statue of david-like
>>736880208if dance is then yeah I see no reason why good sex wouldn't be considered an art
>>736878975Link it.
>>736880325The hammer is my penis.
>>736880170That's not true, you just want it to be true. YOU are the actual retard, retard.
>>736880417moviefag melty
>>736878867Why are faggot OP's so obsessed with twitter?
>>736879678>one of the most video gamey franchises out there>not a good example of a game as artLet me guess, bing bing?
>>736878867What do you mean zoomers? This has been a topic since before zoomers were a twinkle in their dads balls.
>>736880208If done with notable skill, I would say yes
>>736878867Do you actually know how old these people are or is this just zoomer derangement syndrome?
>>736878867Dasha be kinda spittin tho, unc. Why you wanna clock in to madden for a 5-9 you aint stacking paper with? Be fr. Uncs only want grindslop like ratty korean mmos
>>736878867
>>736880410Then it’s a pretty small hammer.
>>736878867If anything zoomers are way less cringe on this point than millenials were. I was once a middle schooler who was genuinely moved by the stories of Super Metroid, FF7, MGS1, and OoT. I earnestly thought they were on par with or better than great works of literature and felt obliged to share that idea with anyone who’d listen. Once I got a little older and became familiar with the works that inspired these games I realized they were allowed to be pretty derivative because they weren’t intended to be taken seriously on their own merits. Probably better than a lot of Hollywood slop but if you ever take a little time to familiarize yourself with Shakespeare, the great novels, Wagner, etc you realize pretty quick that’s a low bar to clear.Who gives a shit though? They’re fun, they mean something to you, but you don’t need the validation of someone calling it “art” to get something worthwhile out of it. As a classical music fan I see metal autists thirsting for that same validation from us and I don’t know how to explain to them that, no, metal isn’t classical, but why does that matter?
>>736880208You jest, but if you looked at the absolute asylum that is modern art, yeah, you'd probably find people unironically saying that. You can probably find art exhibits that consist of a guy getting a blowjob and the "artist" claiming that it's some deep emotional examination of the history of female hardship in capitalistic societies or something equally retarded.When I was in college I saw an art exhibit that consisted of naked women headbanging to an Eminem song inside of a onstage set made to look like a living room inside a house with fake windows and guys jerking off in said windows. This was supposed to be deep and riveting art on the same level as the Mona Lisa and Beethoven's 5th Symphony.
>twatter threadClean it up, janny filth
>>736880208sure why not, it's a skill
>>736880208yeah?
>>736880462Doom is closer to being art than God of War post 2018
>>736880679only sensible reply ITTthanks man
>>736880958This has what to do with the reply chain?
>>736878867It's a phase, not generation but age based>shut up Mom, video games aren't TOYS they are ART
>>736881010trying to empathize with personal experience isn't sensible tbqh. "i was raped therefore all media shouldn't have it" is fucking stupid
>>736878867It's not just zoomers. Nerds in general are obsessed with their nerd hobbies being seen as acceptable and not childish nerd shit by the mainstream so they push the idea that it's all high art and then the normalfags come in and push the nerds out and claim it's high art so they don't get seen liking gay childish nerd shit.I fucking hate nerds and their desire for normalfag acceptance so much.
>>736880762this isn't an umautist thread retard
>>736878867Because many do not have jobs and wont have jobs in the future. Working IRL is last century.
>>736878867because they're fucking gay and have no actual taste or knowledge of real art so they have to act like the shit they spend 80% of their life doing is artistic so they can feel like they're philosophical beings
>>736878867Low information people think that books are magic and art is gold.
>>736883116/threadMost of these fuckers don't know anything about music, books, anything. Movies are so entry level I don't consider them art either.
>>736878867At least he's attempting to define the words he's using instead of negating meaning any time it's approached. You all remain too stupid to have this conversation. Just blabber, ignorance, ritualized threads.
>first guy says games shouldn't be a jobtrue, they are not something that should require you to clock in for dailies to be able to fully experience them. gachas and other live service models like this are not good.>games are artistic works meant to evoke emotionalso true. games are art. sometimes i want cheap shlock pop art entertainment and sometimes i want elevated high art. there is space for both.
>>736884603Define whatJust another desperate faggot trying to make a loser tier hobby appear as something more than a waste of timeWe're all wasting time here instead of engaging with actual art.
Ehhhh. Once upon a time I would have said games were art, but not anymore. There was a line, but they're more product than art these days.
>>736879316Because the people trying to make games art are invariably A) pretentious fagsB) want to make games art by making them less gameC) both of the above.
>>736878867Because they're literal man children trying to justify their toy habit, because they live online and have to play a character 24/7.
>>736879897>You have been brainwashed by the economic system.And you are in a cult
>>736878867The average person is dumb as bricks and cannot conceive that someone else appreciates something for a reason they do not. Everything must fit within their singular worldview and everything outside it is invalid.
>>736880208CP creates emotions, therefore it is art and should be protected speech.
>>736884968The cult of what? Enjoying things? Having hobbies? Is ever doing anything but working or scamming cult behavior?
>>736885226Marxism, what i quoted is one of the fundamentals of Marxism
>>736878921I don't give a shit as long as it's on-topic.
>>736878867According to this definition no game before the SNES was art
>>736880208I’m not gay. I’m just an artist.
>>736885552"Your bosses would work you to death if they could get away with it" is the fundamental state of having bosses, my man.
>>736885552Why are you posting on 4chan? Get back to work!
>>736878867Gaming is ART. On a surface level, it's not always going to be some avant-garde goofy Earthbound-like game.. The gameplay and even difficulty itself can be an absolute artform.. And I wish people notice that.
>>736885552No it's notYou're a leftist idealist. Not a Marxist
>>736885771DAMN!!!!
>>736885724>>736885750Hot dang it, I really did strike the hive!
>>736878867The art in video games is its ludonarrative concept. The rest is all craftsmanship. Most people, let alone zoomers, don't understand what it means for games to be art or the artistic merits it has as a medium. OP's post described "invoking emotion" as its main goal but that's EVERYTHING ever made, it's a vague answer which meant he doesn't actually grasp what art is meant to be. Yes, art can invoke emotion but so does me fapping to porn or drinking water when I'm parched. That's not why its art or its main purpose.
>>736885771No, I'm a liberal. Also post-Marxists are still Marxists. It's all the same genealogy.
>>736885925>leftist idealist>iberalit's the same thing dude
>>736878867I like to relax when experiencing other forms of art like movies and books though
>>736885925Marxism is materialismIdealists are liberalsAnyone that "modernizes" or "modifies" Marxism is a falsifier and a liberal
>>736885852"The person you work for wants you to work more than you might want to work" should not be a revelation for you. This is a strange line in the sand for you to have drawn.
>>736886120Pretty much everyone here is a retarded idealistMaterialism is very obscure and difficult to comprehend for the average modern human
>>736886171>Materialism is very obscure and difficult to comprehend for the average modern humanis it really that complex? can you share?
>>736886207Just read the thesis on Feuerbach, Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State and the Eighteenth Brumaire if you want to get the basics. I'm not even a Marxist anymore and any good materialist knows that trying to "convince" people, especially on online forums, is deeply retarded.
Blader is getting dangerously based. He's entering the hall of fame with Mork.
>>736880679I think the whole art debate is retarded because all it means is that it was created with some sort of purpose, theme, feeling, or message to be conveyed. it's a vague term with no indication to whether it's a good or bad thing, so why do people seek validation by using it as a label? a piece of shit can be considered art.
>>736878867Nothing but trying to overcompanste for a lack of skills in another medium like music or sports.Almost all of these "core gamer" fags are people who were envious of people with better skills in other fields like instruments, chess, academics, etc.
>>736886271this is deadass complicated why cant they make it simple lmao
>>736886323It's crazy how one tweet sent him to stardom
>>736878867Same reason you chimp out whenever some weebshit shovelware gets censored. It is art, clearly.
>>736878867(Gal)Blader
>>736878867>Why are zoomers so obsessed with videogames being considered serious art?Because vidya have always been considered a medium for children and retards, and it being considered art would go against their insecuritiesThe cure to it isn't to mock them, but to make them understand that vidya have more to gain by NOT being considered an art form
>>736885925Teleologically, liberals are Marxists. They're the reason why the meme of "Communism is great in paper" bullshit exists.
what's with the retarded borders? are you filter evading?
video games are artim sorry your favorite nintendo game is the equivalent of macaroni art but its just a fact
they dont consume any other media besides tiktok slop
>BladerReminder that he is a third world zoomer larping as an oldfag and that his real name is Bobi Nikolov
>>736878867>Why are zoomers so obsessed with videogames being considered serious art?So they don't feel bad about still playing with what is essentially toys
>no, you need to understand how this niche japanese video game, without a translation, is actually a subversion of and an attack on capitalism and patriarchy, and is pretty feminist for the time it was released. here’s a 7-hour youtube essay with 4M views explaining why.why are zoomers like this?
HOLY SHIT I DONT WANT ART THATS HOW WE GET SO MANY FUCKIGN WALKING SIMULATOR STYLE OVER SUBSTANCE BULLSHIT GIVE ME GAMEPLAY HEAVY GAMES I DONT CARE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT IT MEANS TO YOU FUCK YOU FUN I WANT TO HAVE FUN
Clearly all games are art, but very little have an actual satisfying and rewarding feeling if you want something that makes you appreciate it as such in an admiring way and not as a means to an end as a past time>>736885640an arcadey game has merits for having nice music, good pixel art and a solid but limited story. you can go out of your way to appreciate it but it isn't something that is purposefully make you think of it an art and not just a "fun" game
>>736886927Not that anon but from what I know, materialism as a general philosophy posits that everything is physically material and it's the only mode of which things interact with one another (eg. The "mind" is merely a byproduct of the chemicals of the brain). This is the presiding philosophy for all of the hard sciences since the 20th century (specifically, physicalism). What that anon cited are works of historical materialism, which is more of materialism as a social theory.
>>736888254based doxer schizo
>>736888508made to make you think*i never proofread my posts, sorry
>>736888530TBD
>>736878867>I like to laugh while watching film not be sad>Film is not a tool to laugh, they are not a service for that>They are artistic works which main purpose is to invoke emotion in you, in the case of drama, sadness and thought stimilation>If you want to laugh go to a comedy clubDo you see how retarded these people are yet?
>>736888508The art part of videogames fundamentally comes from its ludonarrative concept. That is the expression of the design; the gameplay is the art. The coders or the graphic artists or the sound designers themselves are not the "artist", they're the craftsmen. Like learning the basics on how to render light in painting, they have learned technique. Art has no technique, it's merely an expression of human thought. The writer has their own art (the evocation of story of the writer's thought) but that is an addition to the videogame itself, not fundamentally a core component.
man the way zoomers live their lives is so bizarre and dystopian I dont understand how their suicide rates aren't through the roof
>>736889069To add to this, this is why unfinished games are still works of art per se, even if they are non-functional pieces of spaghetti mess. As long as the idea of gameplay exists, it is qualified as art via a videogame. It is akin to an unfinished film or an unfinished painting. The expression, though not fully realized in reality, is still rooted in its expression via the medium.
>>736888254bodied that freak
>>736878867Anyone that needs the affirmation that video games are art are pathetic. Are board games art? You should be having fun and not even think about whether it’s art. I think the “are video games art?” question started before zooms zooms could read though.
>>736879316That is because of the disconnect on what they perceive is art. Materially, art has no value. Its value is tied to many factors that is independent on how artistic something is. People see art in different ways, some see it as mimetic (it has to represent actual real world things and values, art is the lens to nature), formalistic (art is the combination of various aesthetic techniques, art is the composition), expressionistic (it has to transmit emotion, art is in the expression of emotive signals) and then there's conceptualistic (it fundamentally exists as the idea, art is in the thought being expressed). Myself, I am in the camp of conceptualism and I think it's the best way to define art and how it is conceptualized in the media of videogames.
>>736889069one of the goals of the programmer is to allow for the artist to express themselves to their full potential. to feel like a game is engaging or clever in its design is artistic on itself, so it isn't always going to feel like watching a movie or reading a book, where they don't have to worry about game theory. But there's some craftmanship to making the game enjoyable for sure
>>736889794Board games are art, yes. But we're reaching the highest level of abstraction of what art is that it bears no translation on anything pragmatic. Their art comes from their idea (game design), much like how a writer expresses their idea through storytelling, so does a game designer express their idea through designing the board game in question.
wow, so artfulneeds oscar nomination
>>736889956I am trying to extract what part of games artistically separates itself from various other media. The programming of a video game is a craft, it's like learning a language and its semantics to be a better writer to communicate your ideas.There isn't "some" craftsmanship. Games, and videogames especially, are mostly a work of craft. An extensive collaboration of it into this one "thing". I previously disqualified videogames as art in that alone but have come to some thinking that there was something I was missing. The art lies somewhere else and I believe it's the concept. The ludonarrative concept.
>>736878867Why is this screenshot so beautiful? The X post sits by itself over a background with a smooth dropshadow. What combination of software does this?
>>736885640You're missing the problem-solving part of that definition. It's not about movie games, it's about how both an incredibly difficult shmup and an esoteric story game have merits, and the former has existed before the SNES and doesn't need too be dumbed down just because it frustrates people (that's part of its purpose)
>>736880679Anon, you're as retarded now as you were in middle school, just in different ways. Those games you love are actually great and will be looked at as classics in the future. Your old self understood this, the dumb part was trying to denigrate great novels over it. Art isn't a leaderboard.
>>736884875If you mean movie director kojima just flat out say it. No one is going to hurt you for speaking the truth
>>736878867Ive come to the conclusion that art is retarded and games should strive to be called a craft instead.
>i play games to relaxOk, just don't demand that to be the norm for games then. Oh, but that's the entire point of this discussion, isn't it? It's "le dad gamer" retards helping to forever ruin the industry who make these tired conversations happen time and time again.
>>736888793>invoke emotionLaughter is an emotion, and the best drama movies will make you laugh as well since going through the spectrum of human emotion is what they do at their best. This comparison is retarded because the entire crux of this argument is that "i just want to relax bro" people do not engage with the medium in any way other than the most artificial which causes companies to think these dolts are the people they should have in mind when making video games.
Social Validation so they aren't seen as autistic manchildren by their peers
>>736880208Absofuckinglutley is it in art. You can only get great at it by putting emotion into the blowjob.
>>736878975Go back and stay there.
>>736879316Sports are just children's game and therefore nobody should care.
There is not a single person in the world with a rigid, exclusive definition of art that isn't a knuckle dragging retard.
>>736894356children can't bench press 300 pounds or jump 40 inches off the ground though
>>736880272Creativity, no matter how little, still went into it with the intention of eliciting amusement from an audience. That, by definition, is art.People seem to think art means something else, that it's a positive congratulatory term, that something needs to be good or deep or exceptional to be "art". Art is simply a label for something humans do, quality and worth of a particular piece of art is something completely separate.It's like saying a woman isn't a woman unless she's pretty.
>>736878867Serious art is gay and most zoomers are gay or gay-adjacent. An 80 year old man has more testosterone than an 18 year old now. Something in the water, something in the food, I dunno. IRL rat utopia effect, maybe. Many species change in response to their environment, like pigs and grasshoppers. Maybe overpopulation causes faggotry.
>>736878867I don't personally care but if they get considered art then they'll be harder for governments to censorel
>>736879316people were aware of novels and plays in 1930
Why is there a need to be taken seriously by people who think Rupi Kaur is a good poet or who think the Sistine Chapel is as good as some guy rubbing his moobs in a mud pile?
>>736898893because people who don't play videogames want to fit in the community and trying to upsell this shit as art is their way in
Imagine gamelets trying to talk to fucking David Foster Wallace fans
>>736892128Shmups aren't art.
>>736878867Zoomers don't have much going on, so obviously they want to pretend like they're engaging with something serious, rather than with just interactive digital toys.
>>736899483>want to fit in the communityLiteral Mega pop stars and D1 athletes play video games what's point of this faggotry You don’t have to wait that long before every movie director is also talking about their favorite video gamesGaming is more normal than it has ever been.
>>736899642Many directors play gamesDel Toro for exampleI assume others do but don't say it because to be fair, a lot of art school people still see them as lowbrow, which makes the whole gamer desperation to be taken seriously as art even funnier, since the snobbiest gamer would be looked down by a literature or film snob.
>>736878867A scary amount of adults are children and they want validation that it's ok to waste your life on video games and pokemon cards.
>>736899684The desperation is the most pathetic part Bitches write retarded shit on Instagram and call it art because who the fuck cares
>>736899642>Literal Mega pop stars and D1 athletes play video gamesThey play them...they don't buy 200 steam games a year and cry online that they're art and please validate my hobby please I am a big boy I'm not doing the same thing I was doing at 7 years old at age 45 please someone tell me I'm a man!!!!!!
>>736878867>>736880005>>736884875Literally in the tweet,>In the case of problem solving games, frustration and euphoriaSomeone who wants videogames to be easy mode walking simulator "art" would never say this, because to them games shouldn't have problem solving or frustration. Did you just read "art" and wheel out a parroted response?
Gaming's obsession with trying to be taken seriously in an academic context is what holds it back more than the people that don't care about the definition of art and just do whatever. Real artists don't care, which is why they can make good games with lots of merit to them. As per usual pseuds that don't make games but simply dedicate themselves to reverse engineer other works and criticize things do so because they want to engage with the medium while coping with their inability to create something of their ownCritics are necessary but every creator dislikes critics, and most creators don't discuss art the way critics and academics do. Which again proves that this entire discourse is midwit nonsense.
>>736899829>>736899916Prescient.
>>736880063Anything drawn onto an A4 piece of paper with an HB pencil
Millenials are the fart-huffers who think video games are art, Zoomers are playing Roblox and Minecraft (simple, non-narrative video games just about building shit with blocks.)
>>736878867video games are very much an artform (won't elaborate, do some reading), but that's a very funny thing to reply to someone who was obviously complaining about skinner box mechanics
>>736878867>video games aren't for entertainment, they're for propagandaThey want to concord themselves, let them concord themselves. Stop standing in their way, and do nothing.
>>736899829>Did you just read "art" andWhenever you hear "games are art", what inevitably follows is "and games have a responsibility to" because it's the regurgitated 12 year old sarkesian argument for censorship. That's why when you sound like retarded feminists, you get dismissed promptly. Now go back to your psychopath's thinking table and brainstorm a new language to bamboozle the average joe because that's not it, they're inoculated against that retardation.
>>736899829>>736901380Omniscient...
>>736878867Because they want to be taken seriously themselves despite being completely useless unlifting geeks. Which isn't even a bad thing, except for being useless unlifting geeks.Video games are, in fact, a serious artform, indisputably an interactive audio-visual medium of storytelling, which is their main reason for existing, and wanna-be "pro" sweats and choreslop skinnerbox faggots are playing video games wrong. But part of the art form of Video Games is making them at least fun enough to engage with that engaging with them doesn't make me want to chew my own head off in either annoyance or boredom.
>>736894356This faggotry is exactly why everyone hates zoomers and why everyone is right to hate zoomers.
>>736878867>literal nobody twitter thread again
>>736878867Video games are electronic toys and there is nothing wrong with that.
>>736901749Games oriented at casual players that use flashy things and coddle the player to hide how shallow they are on replays aren't far away from skinnerboxes either. A well-done challenging game is more interesting than a mindless game that only serves to deliver story scenes or atmosphere. But, to each their own
>videogames are not art because that means i would have to think about it and i don't that
>>736878867>video games are notAre not in one person's qualification to define, but in the eye of the beholder. Humans are biodiverse, and various Humans have various ways to relax, some very incompatible with each other. Just because you can't do something doesn't mean another person can't, but if you are too proud and arrogant to admit it, then you are the least qualified to run your mouth since you have a personality disorder.
>video games are... LE ART (heh, I feel like such a big boy right now)
>>736878867Who is this cock gobbler that thinks they can decide what other people get from video games?
>>736879316I will never understand the ongoing fascination of trying to convince subhuman retards on the internet of anything, to be quite honest.
>>736901875Black Desert Offline, or Crimson Desert or whatever the fuck it's called, is total slop, correct.
>>736902169yes games are a art nigger
>>736902372Sucking dick is art too, you excel at it.
>>736878867They lack span of attention to read a non-smut book or go to a theatre without looking at their phone fives times during movie/play. So instead of working on their flaws and learning how to appreciate the high art, they just want their vidya to be considered high art.Futile attempts, as games that can be considered a high art are once-a-decade thing, usually a commercial loss, too.
>>736902258Someone with crippling and profound mental retardation when it comes to emotional intelligence.
Because the same people who desperately want games to be "art" or "serious entertainment" are the same kind of niggers who'd make fun of gaming and gamers back in the day and thought if you played anything more "video gamey" than FIFA you were a massive loser or potential mass shooter. But gaming is a "socially acceptable hobby" now with various releases becoming viral memes so now this kind of faggots are "grown up mature adults who like to play videogames" and demand that gaming becomes "serious" and "artistic" and "mature" so they can stop feeling insecure and embarassed while consooming games for clout. Artfags and "mature gamers" are the enemies of gaming.
If a half eaten bucket of KFC can be art then so can video games
>back then (when games were not treated seriously and were made as toys)>some of the best games ever made>modern age (where games can be le deep art)>everything fucking sucks, even the indies
>>736878867while I agree that games CAN be art, the slopulent live service garbage zooms play can never be art.
>>736879316Video games has been a popular medium for ca. 50s. By the 1940s, movies also have been a popular medium for about the same time, as game today. And by that time cinema has produced more masterworks than game industry did.
>>736880456all twatter threads are made by the musk rat
>>736885752>>736889069Finally some people who get it. We're ahead of our time, brothers. Eventually the rest of them will catch up.
>>736879316>will never understand the ongoing fascination people have to say that games are just toysBecause they ARE toys. And that's a good thing. Board games are toys, skateboards are toys, balls are toys and at the end of the day many books are "toys" as well. People who hate the fact that games are "toys" and want gaming to be some "mature entertainment" are just normalfag bitches who hate gaming.
>>736879064DUDE I GOT ENOUGH CHALLENGE WITH MY EIGHT KIDS AND FIFTY JOBS I JUST WANNA GRILL IN A GAME FOR PETES SAKES >*ignores the eighty billion casual games and movie games*
Remember Journey on the PS4? No of course you don't, because it's boring as fuck. Meanwhile Super Mario 64, a game that was made 3 decades ago as just a fun game that was never meant to be seen as art, is still talked about to this day.Video games being seen as art is a fucking meme.
>>736902986Unironically why I despise all "dad gamers" and casual faggots who demand "easy modes" and handholding in any challenging game that becomes even a bit popular. There's all kinds of casual garbage and console crap without gameplay they could "enjoy", but normalfags get mindbroken by the idea of NOT being included in something and NOT being part of a group consooming a viral product. It doesn't matter that they just can't manage and are not the target audience, they just MUST be included and validated!!!!
>>736878867Video games are art. Ever since Pong.And if zoomers believe that they are genuinely correct.
>>736878867worthless lives
>>736878867People that need validation from others instead of deriving their own personal meaning of things etc
>>736903156they're unironically right since videogames aren't a sport and they're definitely not art
Video games are a medium and you can use them however you likeTo tell personal stories, make grand adventure or even educate somebody You can probably learn a lot about logistics from the most basic management games
>>736878867Generally, the one who write these kinds of tweets are redditor gamer dad who play Sony interactive movies, like God of cuck and The TLOU2It's because of people like these that video games sucks
if you make a game with the intention of it being art, it will never be artits like how you cant be a good person by claiming you are a good person, its not up for you to decide, others will decide that
>>736878867The guy in the tweet is an arcade game enthusiast. He's not talking about zoomer artfag games
>>736878867bruh this dude a moron
>>736911216He's also annoying who thinks Good game = pressing buttons as fast as you can
Videogames are a multipurpose medium, like TV or movies or any other kind of expressive medium
ITS FUCKING 2026 OKVIDEO GAMES WILL NEVER BE ART IS A FUCKING 20 YEAR OLD MEME SHUT THE FUCK UP ZOOMZOOMS
>>736878867Old-end zoomer here. It was because I wasn't reading books.
Why the fuck do you want video games to be art anyways?What good comes from trying to attract pseudo-intellectuals who don't actually give a fuck about video games?
>>736913267Why so you think art attracts pseudo-intellectuals who don't care about the art?
>>736878867>video games are not art or productive uses of yer time!!>proceeds to gulp down years worth of goyim ball and act like an out of control zoo animal if their team loses>proceeds to gulp down years worth of film slop Oldfucks are always seething over vidya because they get hard filtered with every single one and detest that younger folk have a medium that sharts on their forms of outdated entertainment.
>>736903156every game im interested in playing MUST appeal to me. dark souls NEEDS an easy mode. deltarune NEEDS a spanish localization. yes, i do respect the authors vision but only up until when it becomes inconvenient to me. no, i cant just play other games.is it any fucking wonder a lot of modern games just give the player granular difficulty settings to tweak to their liking? fuck designing a game when you can just let people design their own ideal version of a game instead
>>736878867Some games are art. Some are toys. Some are competitive games in the traditional sense of a game.
>>736914734yeah bro people shouldn't just buy the best skills and gear and make the game easier even though that's how the game was designed
>>736878867What games does he play?
>>736880208A good blowjob is art and rare as fuck.Gay people don't know how good they have it...
>>736914986Arcade games
game art =/= game difficultyelden ring is beautiful but also very difficultouter wilds is a masterwork of vidya engineering and a huge puzzle to solve
>>736914920You're talking about Dark Souls? Magic builds are pretty easy in those games I hear, but actually building a character or getting good skills or gear requires some investment that most "dad gamers" and most casuals don't want to put in. Dad gamers like braindead games like Fallout 4 where they can turn off their brain and kill things. That's valid enough to me but then you shouldn't scream other games that aren't braindead should be made braindead to accommodate you. If games truly are art, then people should be more respectful of when a work of art doesn't appeal to them, yet there's a big overlap between people who claim games are a valid artform and people who claim all games should be accessible even when it goes against the author's vision (see the nontroversy regarding DR only having an EN and JP script).
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>>736878867Validation. It happened and still happens with all "nerdy" hobbies.
>>736915230elden ring is both too long and too difficult it should have ended in the golden capital
>>736915432fromsoft games aren't hard, just tedious and dogshit
>>736889879>Materially, art has no value.
