You don't need more, even Valve says so.
So this is pc gaming
I can agree with 1080p being enough, but I'll never agree that 30fps is enough.
>>736900432I hope the Steam Machine is a colossal niggeraids failure so teenage internet retards will stop sucking Gabe's corpo circumcised dolphin penetrating obese penis
>valve drones defending sub series s performanceholy cope
more like 0fps at 0p since like all planned game machines for the next 5 years it will never exist.
>>736900432Also, do you have any RAM?
>>7369004321440p/60fps is the sweet spot. You can get cheap 1440p monitors now, you have no excuse to still be on 60fps
>>736900583still be on 1080p
>>736900583Monitors aren't the issue, GPUs capable of running games at 1440p are.
>>7369004981080p isn't enough for anything forcing TAA at worst, which is most modern games.
30FPS is "this is the absolute bare minimum that we would put a 'deck verified' sticker on. obviously there are thousands of games that will run at actual speeds
>>736900753What? My gayman laptop with a 3060 can run most games at 1440p 60-90hz, and that's with limp mode 75W regime. Only the most unoptimized UE5 garbage forces me to turn DLSS on to kick it back over 60
>>736900432That's the MINIMUM you need to get Steam Machine Verified you fucking dumb cunt.
>>736901048Exactly. And if it's true that they're going to start letting people know the expected FPS based on their specs, then it's the perfect system. Sticker for minimum, check for actual performance.
I expect this thing to be the Xbox Series S of the PC space w/ that 8gb of vram. Shit'll look blurry on it in general that pushed any modern console.
>>7369024948GB of VRAM should be enough for anything made for consoles.Consoles have 16GB of RAM in total. PS5 OS takes like 2-3.5GB depending on the game alone, so that leaves 12.5-14GB of RAM for games to use between VRAM and RAM.Steam Machine has 16GB RAM + 8GB VRAM and Linux takes way less memory than Windows.Series S has like 8GB of RAM for games to use in total, as much as Steam Machine has VRAM alone.
>>736900432My 1k$ machine can play most games at 1440p 100~fpsHow did they manage that?
>>736900432This will be a minimum requirement for the Steam Deck 2 which is probably using a 1200p screen.
>>736900498Most of what makes 30fps look bad is the terrible frame pacing when you are maxed out, set a frame cap and you will see that it isn't as shit as you expect (it's still pretty shit)
>>736900432I said 'wow'
I was able to score an ultra 7 265, 5060ti 16gb machine with 32gb ram and a 2tb nvme for about 900 dollars during black Friday, cheaper than a Steambox will be
>>736900432I'm going to film myself anally ravaging Gaben until he can't walk at 240fps@2160p if he doesn't FUCKING LET ME BUY THE CONTROLLER ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>>736901048The problem is that a lot of devs will strive to get the sticker and not particularly aim for 60fps. There should be two labels: Gaybencube verified (30fps) and Gaybencube optimized (60fps).30FPS only makes sense if they want this to be a console used on a TV, not a portable PC on a monitor.
>>736900432>consoles have been holding back gaming>now pcbros are the ones holding it backKYS retardsIf you want better performance stream the fucking game from better hardware
>>736904436>pcbroskekkaroo didn't know they added a new word filter famalamadesusenpai
>>736900432If this thing is mainly focused on consolekeks than yes, it will be more than enough.To me it's ludicrous that it's not 60fps bare minimum, but the reality is that the average consolebaby literally will not see the difference.
>>736902794Adding more info to your post, because you're right, just need a few more context:>Consoles have 16GB of RAM in total. PS5 OS takes like 2-3.5GB depending on the game alone, so that leaves 12.5-14GB of RAM for games to use between VRAM and RAM.Steam Machine has 16GB RAM + 8GB VRAM and Linux takes way less memory than Windows.>PS5 OS takes like 2-3.5GB depending on the game aloneThat is correct, but most of the time, something like, 80% of cases more or less, it defaults to 4gbs, it's allocated with a certain leeway in order to prevent instability in case there are spikes>so that leaves 12.5-14GB of RAM for games to use between VRAM and RAM.Also correct, and the way devs allocate this remaining memory most of the time (and I mean MOST here, you have probably more fingers in your hands than the exceptions here) is that they set 8gb of ram as REGULAR RAM for the system, and the remaining 4gb is used a vram, why 8gb as ram? 8gb is the bare minimum to maintain the ps5's stability while running games, if you don't have that the system can run wildly unstableSo that leaves the PS5 with ONLY 4gb of vram, knowing that, it's unsurprising that this console struggles to run modern games that even lower tier pcs nowadays can run, it's unsurprising that this console loses to a gtx 1060 in benchmarksThe Steam Machine, contrary to what all "experts" say, is actually more powerful than a PS5 and is a perfectly fine mid tier machine for 1080p gaming, just compare the specsSteam Machine x PS5>16gb of ram for OS + System x 4gb of ram for OS + 8gb of ram for System>8gb of dedicated vram x 4gb of vramPeople should not believe it the next time "experts" like digital foundry tell them that the Steam Machine is on par or a bit less powerful than the PS5, because in reality it's much better.
>>736904310>console used on a TVI think thats the point
As long as FSR is good this thing will be a BEAST.
>>736905353...
>>736900753Not really desu there are literally like half a dozen games that run like ass even on the strongest hardware. A 4080 owner can play the vast majority of games ever made at 4k
>>736900507It’s so pathetic seeing steamies swoon at another vaporware product from valve. Valve is a parasite to the industry. I only have a few games installed on steam, most are japanese AAA that aren’t on other storefronts. I’m not going to buy a steam release of anything I don’t have to and give valve 30% for no reason at all.
>>736900432>1080p 30fps is 6x that of "Deck verified"They really accept and proudly label games running at 800p 6fps?
>>736900432>This is going to cost $899
>>736900432who fucking cares, where is the STEAM FRAMENOTHING ELSE MATTERS, GIVE ME A STEAM FRAME
>>736905683Guess what?Nobody cares
perfect for dad gamers who are still rocking a 1080p tv in the living room in 2026
>>736905909To play what? VR has no games.
>>736906217only because the steam frame isn't outwhy would you release a game unless the steam frame was out?
>>736906217VR Five Nights is bretty good
>>736906109Correct. But they should.
1000$ 1080p Pc chadsWhat absolute winnersSoooo smart
>>736900432This thing is cursed valve needs to cancel it asap
All the input from consolecucks is just as illiterate as when tendies talk about their toy's 4k 120hz or snoys with their 8k logo
>>736906217Skyrim VR with sex mods
>>736906735Just have sex in real life
>>736906758I've already had sex and it's boring, I want to fuck in sex dungeons with elf women and orcs
>>736904310There's signs of valve getting ready to put a fps label on games that go based off your hardware. Consumers that are worried about low fps will just check and see their rigs estimated AVG performance and make an informed decision to buy/skip. That's assuming they go forward and implement it.
>>736903529Think of it more as a baseline minimum.
>>7369004321080p is fine, 30fps is not
>>736905170They already tried this and failed spectacularly in the past. Valve is not encroaching on the console space, even the Deck which is a success by their standards is dwarfed by console and handheld sales. Not to mention, Valve won't sell the hardware at a loss unlike console manufacturers, ensuring it's more expensive and possibly less powerful than PS6/Helix.
1080p and 60fps is bare minimum. It's acceptable.Anything below is unplayable.
>>736904436Consoles hold gaming back with their garbage overpriced ewaste controllers and complete lack of options, regard for future scalability and current suitability of their hardware.>>736906217Just as an HMD would be good enough. It's already going to be superior to the Deck in terms of ergonomics because you don't have to look at your hands permanently and the virtualized screen will be similar in terms of resolution.
>>736900432>6x Steam DeckIsn't the Steam Deck as powerful as a PS4, whick means the Gabe Cube is roughly as powerful as a base PS5, at least in TFLOPS, so it shouldn't really cost much more than it, I think $500 is a okay price point.
>>736907693I dont think they are trying to directly compete, there is no reason for them to considering they make more than enough from their cut of steam store sales. I think they are just trying to establish themselves as a boutique brand in the PC gaming space and ultimately trying to dominate that niche specificallyAll of valves hardware is specifically geared towards big spending PC whales that already have a top of the line rig and just want extra toys to tinker with their Steam Library, they are definitely not interested in the budget gamer and anyone who thinks that this Steambox is going to allow poorfaggots to use it as a cheap PC replacement are going to be sorely disappointed
>>736904474>>736904436>anon has been seething about pcchads so much he's getting filtered lmao
>>736908458But from the looks of it the performance of the Gabecube will me subpar for PC enthusiasts, if it's aimed at them what will be the point? Portable PC they can bring on trip to plug into their AirBnb TVs? At that point just get an 'eck and play less demanding games while away from home.
>>736900432I don't care
>>736907693>Already tried thisThey licensed out the right for retards to build a shitbox, slap Ubuntu on it and call it a "Steam machine". It's not really comparable.>dwarfed by console and handheld salesThey're selling them, so I guess it works out for them. They're selling less of them than others because they're sold mainly through Steam I guess, not plastered everywhere with advertising and retail.>Won't sell their hardware at a lossThis is a meme, a console comes with invisible costs (data harvesting, advertising, loss of control) and deferred costs (80$ minimum paid online per year + 80$ for each defective controller), so they're ultimately more expensive than just buying a PC. They are not sold at a loss aside from the initial sale, and given that Sony has reduced specs and increased prices multiple times I don't think they're willing to take that much of a loss on them either.
>>736909292I'm not saying the console doesn't end up more expensive in the long run, I'm saying the initial price of the Cube will probably be so much higher normalfags won't even bother, and if the only market left is PC enthusiasts I don't see it being very successful. The Deck is a very good alternative to a gaming PC, what is going to be the use case of the Gabecube for someone who already owns a PC?
>>736907337>as an elf womanftfy
>>736909098>if it's aimed at them what will be the point?A beefier Steam link to have in the living room on the family tv to use as a console
>>736909098It's not aimed at PC enthusiasts. It's aimed at the retards who portbeg for PC indie titles and friendslop to get PS/Switch versions because they're too scared to touch a PC.
>>736900432>30fps at 1080p>which is 6x better than the Steam DeckI don't know which device should be more insulted.
Personally I can live with a certain FPS rate, even lower than 60, but if the game was somehow anticipating it'd run at that frame rate and can keep a CONSISTENT frame rate at that level.If it's 30FPS in the busiest times but then can hit higher FPS rates when there isn't as much going on that's unwelcome and not something to brag about. If it's targeting 30FPS for everything it can play and can do so smoothly then, sure, that's alright.
>>736911834Those people won't buy it when they see the price tag (probably 700€ up to 1000+€). And again if they want to play friendslop or indie most of them run on 'eck (which has a docking station).
>>736900432>connects to centralized data centers>sovless black cube>above 480p blasphemy>complicated operating system corrupted by systemD>no local media based gamesreminder that god already blessed us with the one true system but we turned our back on him and this gabecube is heretic and harem. Steamies will not be raptured on judgement day for supporting the glutton master gabeN.
>>736901638My 3060 Ti struggles at 1080p, seems like a hard sell to claim the laptop 3060 is more powerful.
>>736901048It is useless to have the verified label min requirement as 30fps. Let's face it, no fucking PC buyer is buying to get console performance. Setting 30fps as the baseline is frankly just a bullshit marketing move by Valve to increase the number of verified games on their platform in order to make their hardware look more appealing. The absolute minimum for verified should be 45fps @ 90hz.
>>736912398You still had a good run with 3060Ti if you bought it at launch.I had to upgrade mine because I'm 1440p fag
>>736900432>computer cucks are 16 years behind compared to consoles hardware
>>736904680>Steam Machine has 16GB RAM20 year old DDR4 spec slow as shit ram, PS4 had better ram
>The machine is going to force developers to optimize to get the check mark>the specs for check mark are 30fpsEh. Thanks valve.
>>736903662nah, it's still awfulcontrollers make it slightly more bearable
>>736900432I just want people to support the new OS natively so everyone moves away from windows
>>736915036It's DDR5, retard
Bros I hate 30 fps so muchAnd I'm starting to hate 60 fps too
>/v/ hates windows and shills Linux>valve is trying to get normal faggots into Linux in a very easy to use and attractive way>/v/ is shitting on itIncredible
>>736915247Too bad it's an immutable OS, so it will never catch on desktops.
>>736915646I don't want normalniggers near me
>>736915646those are two different demographics you're describingthe more clueless and solipsistic retards are the ones that are on windows and don't understand the target audience of the cube
>>736915687You don't leave your room anyway.
>>736915646I doubt you could even get 30fps in those games under windows with the specs of the steam box but this won't make 30 fps any less bad
>>736915585This is why I'm reluctant to upgrade to 4k240Hz OLED.Because once I'm used to a good thing there is no going back.Right now for any game where I get to control the camera ~90 FPS is a minimum, unless I play on a controller then 60 is doable.
>>736915036DDR4 is perfectly suitable to modern needs
>>736915896Not if you are also feeding an APU. But it uses DDR5 anyway, he's retarded.
>>736900460actually, that's console gaming
>>736915968but the cube isn't doing that, it has 8gb of gddr6 vramand in practice it'll have more vram to juggle than the ps5 itself, valve is working on lowering vram consumption now
>>736915968Steam Machine is not an APU. It has a dedicated GPU
>>736916065>>736916498Yeah I forgot it had GDDR6 as well. It's perfectly adequated. Doesn't even have the downsides of using GDDR as RAM like consoles.
>>736900432Yeah that's nice. What is the price?
16gb vram is the minimum to run all games past 2020. Dont know why would anyone buy this.
>>736918072Sadly it's not the case, devs still target 8GB GPUs for min specs.That box is also very slow so even if it had more VRAM it would not help.
>retards who know nothing about GPUs are whining about VRAM as if putting 16GB on a super low end card would magically make it betterIts a mobile RX 7600 with slightly tweaked clocks. Its lower performance than a RTX 3060.
>>736916498The CPU in it is a lower binned 8400F. It is an APU, the IGP is just defect binned off. Its not using one of AMD's mainstream CPUs as that would require a separate platform control chip and increase idle power for nothing.
>>736918802>The CPU in it is a lower binned 8400F. It is an APUAPU without IGP is practically CPU.
>>736919108Its the difference between a monolithic lower power chip with limited PCI-E lanes and a more power hungry MCM. The distinction matters.
