When did public opinion change and decide that this was actually a good game?
When the game's predictions became true.
>>736900772wtf, did you mean to post an image of the most overrated dogpile of all time?
>>736900772>caring about what normie goy cattle think
>>736900856Yeah, I found this game through my favorite streamer, right when the SOPA thing was happening, where he was like "Omg it's like this is happening in the game but it came out 12 years ago!"
>>736900772The biggest slam this game had towards it was the complete bait and switch to Raiden as the main character after the oil tanker section. Fucking Kojima and his subversion tactics.
>>736900772It was initially shit on when kojima did the bait and switch with snake/raiden. Noone wanted to play as the twink, and were expecting more snake after the tanker. People really warmed up to it when the predictions became true. People also warmed up to raiden over time, especially after 4.
>25 year old nerd dramawhy do you even care
>>736900772It became a good game when I discovered the dog tag collection mechanic. It became a masterpiece when the Substance release came out with a bunch of wacky missions that push every mechanic to its limits. Helped that I was already a fan of MGS1 vr missions.
>>736900772Anyone who actually played knew.
>>736900772When the series died and the people that played it when it was new moved on with their lives so that the tourists that watched it on YT could call it high art.
>>736900939I played it as a teen and an adult. No nostalgia because i wasnt even a teen when it came out.in 2001Its breety goodI liked it even more as an adult
>>736900772How can anyone not recognize 2 and 3 being superior to the first game in just gameplay alone?Shadow Moses is just a memorable location for gaming nostalgia but Kojima didn't make non primitive games until he made his PS2 games.If you liked the writing of the first game then it's a fair argument but 2 has more going on and 3 is when he refined the stealth action gameplay to its best point.
>>736900772Hated it cause it paraded an anti-natalist at the end
>>736900772when people got over playing as raiden for half the game and realized its tremendous fun fucking with the guards on big shell
>>736900772It seems insane to me that people apparently disliked the game simply because OMG IT'S NOT SNAKE, it's the most shallow reason to dislike it. You niggers don't deserve good games if that's your attitude, this is why nobody does anything interesting anymore and just hardcore panders to the most basic fanservice tropes.
>>736900772A lot of posers who huffs their own farts try to salvage it with Mgs 4 (albeit unsuccessfully) by claiming it has some deep message when at the end it's just an asian beta male parading an anti-natalist message, the ending is a scene where snake tells the player not to breed and just go make movies which is ironic cause mgs 4 is that mindset pushed to 11 with the game abandoning gameplay in favor of a trillion cutscenes
>>736903376>snake tells the player not to breedYou're dumb as hell.
>>736900772meow
>>736900856The game's "predictions" were already true in 2001.
>>736900772I believe it's a watered down version of MGS 1, the final boss of 1 was the metal gear, one metal gear really hard to take down and you had to time his laser attack and missiles to beat him, in 2 you fight 20 LMAO and guess what you take them down with one rocket launcher, it's shit like this, Raiden is a Snake fanboy and another government rat, the Liquid HIND boss fight is rehashed again with solidus, the ninja boss from 1 is replaced by a faggot, psycho mantis is replaced by some bitch who can control bullets, see what i mean.A lot of people enjoyed 3 and 5 a lot because they were original and had different ideas and settings while 2 felt like a ''FUCK YOU I AM SO SMART'' to the player, i remember Terry Davis said something that illustrates this, he said something like ''retards admire complexity while geniuses appreciate simplicity'', this is mgs 2's plot, the more you analyze it the more you realise it's a watered down piece of shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0qmkQGqpM8
I'm not sure just at some point it turned from hate to love.
I see ZOG is mad about this game and wants to shun people away from it because of what it says. Will they remake it to further bury the original narrative?
>>736900772i thought this was a good game when I was 14, 20 years ago
>>736900772When MGS4 came out
idk I always liked it, even though when I was younger playing as raiden felt a little weird.In terms of gameplay its basically just a refined MGS1
Honestly, its my favorite of the series for its gameplayVR missions in susbtance are really fun
When 4, Peace Walker, Portable Ops and Phantom Pain (essentially every game after 3) all ended up being shit.
>>736900772It's always been an amazing game, no one ever, not even at the time, would say it's not an 11/10 gameplay experience. It was just a 'shitty' sequel that (in typical kojimbo fashion) didn't give people the PS2 Solid Snake experience they wanted (this was compounded when Snake Eater was a prequel) or even move the plot forward at all, really.
>>736900772when they got to the colonel AI and that balanced the gay japanese weird present in the game with cool weird.
>>736903068>ends on celebration of a pregnant couple>anti-natalist
>>736900772when me and my brothers played it at release raiden was a big disappointment...but we got over it. all the crazy twists at the end of the game mostly made up for it.
>>736904093>it's a watered down version of MGS1The game literally tells you that part of the motivation for putting Raiden through the Big Shell was to try and see if they could replicate Snake going through Shadow Moses and then it goes "lol no actually it's some other shit"
>>736903068>>736903376is this just you or some youtuber speaking
>>736904093>I believe it's a watered down version of MGS 1I don't know how you could say this with a straight face, it's better than MGS1 in every way
>>736907262>and then it goes "lol no actually it's some other shit"Yeah mgs 1 does that too, by the end Snake finds out he is just a puppet carrying a virus of the illuminati when Naomi tells him the truth about gray fox and what does he do?? he kills the one guy who tries to stop the plan>Raiden finds out NOT-liquid is trying to stop the illuminati by oblitering their brains out>he still kills himThe more you peal the layers, the more you find out you are playing a shallow dud, a fraud wearing the carcass of MGS 1.But you can forgive this since this is a stealth game and gameplay is always king yet since even the bosses are watered down versions of the bosses of MGS 1 that's when you gotta evaluate it as a fraud, MGS 3, peace walker and 5 are not like this thankfully
>>736907616It's better mechanically but people were pissed about playing as another character despite how well it worked for the story. People eventually came around.
>>736908206>order burger>get lettuce wrap
>>736907616MGS 1 benefits from having a personality, the top-down camera perspective may seem somewhat limiting; however, the game is designed with this in mind, and the boss battles are numerous and enjoyable. It is evident that these bosses are intended to be the meat and potatoes of the game. In contrast, MGS2 features a poor camera system and lacks memorable bosses and i am being very nice here since i could go on a tangent and i already named some of the bosses 2 rips off from 1, MGS 3 is much better gameplay wise and basically makes MGS 2 obsolete, the experience you get from MGS 1 you can't find it anywhere else, MGS 2? you have MGS 3 and 4 for that
>>736903483>stage 1: denial
>>736903376you're so retarded i cant tell if its really a bait,but for any retards out there who somehow forgot the story of the whole game>Life isn't just about [...] genesit's also about memesit's what differentiates humans from low-form organisms and computers
