>Villain's motives are revealed>They are actually quite sensible and now the protagonist appears to be the unhinged one
>>736904969what's unhinged about wanting a full life rather than being a restricted cripple
>>736904969>spent 67 years committing genocide because he failed to tard wrangle his wifevery sensible
>>736905001Whats unhinged about living in an echo chamber where only your opinion is valid as you have power to create and destroy anything in said echo chamber, and slowly dying inside it
>>736905084Ask a 4chud
>>736905057>>736905001
>>736905132being a cripple is literally not healthy
>>736905178Her family is rich. She can make do.
>>736904969omg let people enjoy things
>>736905001He literally states he has nothing against Alicia painting new worlds, he just cannot allow this one to exist because it destroys both Alicia and Aline.
>>736905217She is a cripple in 1905. No amount of money will make her life better. WW1 is on the horizon. Writers will probably Anal Wake their entire family next.
The canvas was always on borrowed time. Either its destroyed now, or destroyed by renoir in grief after Alicia dies of painter sickness inside
>>736905217>settle for an inferior life experience because.. BECAUSE YOU JUST SHOULD, OK?brainlet
>>736904969Why are the characters so dirty in every screenshot I see of this game?
>>736905361Because they just had a fight where he was flying all over the screen and his own daughter suplexed him into the ground.
>>736905361Because they're bloodied from battle.
Renoirbros.....WE WON!
>>736905057There's not much he could do other than just letting his wife die from malnourishment.
>>736905313So? Our world is on "borrowed time" too because the Sun will eventually swallow it. Why aren't you committing suicide over this fact?
>>736905001There's literally nothing wrong with that bitch except for her ability to talk, and even that doesn't matter because she and Clea are shown talking telepathically. It's the most pathetic "disability" imaginable.
Why does Renoir want to destroy the canvas?Wasn't the original plan to just get rid of Lumiere and the humans (thats why Gestrals and Grandis aren't affected by the Gommage) and preserve Verso's original work?
>>736905470I think your timescale between both there is a bit disingenuous
>>736905426He could have remembered that she's a woman and that trying to tell her what to do would only make her more stubborn.If he had just let her be then she would probably have already left the canvas by the time of the game's events.
>>736905506The plan is to get the wife out for good. So outside of restraining her IRL, the only way is to destroy it because she will always go back. He even says as much before his boss fight, its the only way to keep them out.
>>736905512Both are more than a lifetime.
>>736905312Nigga, they can just move away to some tropical paradise and spend the whole war laying on the beach and sipping margaritas. You don't get to whine about muh WW1 when you're rich as fuck and have magic powers to boot.
>>736904969Alicia apologist are the same people who will justify heroin addicts and other junkies
>>736905480>unfuckably burned face>one eye>mute>in constant pain>literally nothing wrongsure thing, lil bro>she and Clea are shown talking telepathicallyClea is just interpreting her grunts.
>>736905679Verso apologists are people who cannot be trusted because they are lying, manipulative shits.
>>736905757argument level: transsexual
>>736905698>unfuckably burned face>one eye>mute>in constant painWife.
>>736905112He'd quite correctly to tell you to fuck off back to plebbit if you want that kind of faggotry
>please I am conscious human being that wants to live >um sweetie that's escapism and tiktok told me that's bad okay
>>736904969I will play VRChat and there is nothing you can do about it
>>736905698>muteYeah, imagine woman that cannot talk, how horrifying!
>>736904969Villiain is a freak who has been psychologically abusing someone for 30 years of their life and has committed endless crivms against victim. Thinks he can reason this by trying to make out it's the victims fault.ERM.. Yikes.
>>736905084sounds like a dream desu
>>736905698>unfuckably burned faceA cosmetic issue, not a disability. >one eyeVery mild disability, wouldn't qualify for disability bux even today.>muteNot really a problem if you're literate, can whisper (which she can), and have magic painting powers.>in constant painThat will almost certainly go away with time, not to mention it's clearly not too bad since she can just sleep through it and run around like an Olympic sprinter. People with severe chronic pain can't. >literally nothing wrongYes.
Except for the hole in the narrative where they both want to portray painted people as fictional and also real so that they can have their cake and also eat it.
>>736904969Nah, fuck him. And fuck the Verso too.
>>736906084That's not a hole in the narrative. It's a matter of perspective.
>>736906084The the whole crux of the moral choice, not an oversight. If they weren't people with lives there'd be no moral conundrum. It's only because this is magic shit that literally creates conscious life that the dilemma makes any sense.
Renoir was never presented as a villain, it was pRenoir and he really was an asshole with stupid motives.
>>736907610>an asshole with stupid motivesAline painted him so he couldn't argue back, can you really blame him?
>>736904969>you aren't allowed to switch sides
renoir did nothing wrong
The "Aline will always find it" plothole was retarded.Nigga, just burry it in the middle of a forest or at the top of a mountain. There, saved your family without destroying the entire world of sentient beings.
>>736905679You are wrong.Drugs cost money,if it were free i'd justify them
>>736907734Anon, they can use canvas magic to do something with that (they have literal magic in the real wold too)She was borderline dying and it took her like 10 minutes.
>>736905698>unfuckably burned faceShe's still cute. You're gay if you wouldn't.>one eyeNot an issue for a rich aristocrat.>muteNot an issue for someone who can magically write on a canvas just by touching it.>in constant painFor now. It's only been a week or two since the fire. It's possible she'll heal.
>>736905470>>736905512Don't forget that we can also leave for a different solar system or even possibly keep the sun alive by refueling it. Lumiere is entirely dependent on the canvas.
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>>736907983>can cause mobility issuesExcept they clearly don't since she can sprint around just fine.>a clear communication disabilityNot really when she has magic powers she can use to communicate.>reduced depth perception + field of viewTrue, but she doesn't really need it.
>>736907983>severe burns limiting movement, sensitivity, enduranceStopped reading right there. Your clanker invented things that don't exist in the game. Great job, retard.
>>736907734Alicia hid it so well that even Clea had to compliment her and she still found it in probably minutes. The painters probably have some light magic powers in reality to and can probably sense nearby canvases.
>>736908112>Except they clearly don't since she can sprint around just fine.>Not really when she has magic powers she can use to communicate.>things that don't exist in the game.All these things were happening in he bizarro world.Saying she has no disabilities in he world is directly supporting her ending
>>736908176>All these things were happening in he bizarro worldShe was sprinting around just fine in the real world too.She can paint on a canvas just by touching it and she's literate. That means she can communicate.
>>736908176We literally see her do it in the real world, when she wakes up and goes to see Clea. Play the damn game.
>>736908258>>736908310I forgot because the gameplay sucks,but with that logic Arthur Morgan isn't considered disabled when he's dying from tuberkolosis as well
I dont see anyone siding with the reapers in mass effect and that's the same "creator vs creations". It's not even a dilemme, fuck the dessendres and their unhinged way of dealing with loss
>>736907610Painted renoir didnt have stupid motives. He was collecting chroma to give to Aline and trying to stop the party from kicking her out. The only dumb thing was the anime trope of miscommunication and the party only having wrong information.
if you believe in God IRL then you should believe in the validty of the people of lumiere's right to exist
>>736908396...Anon, Arthur with tuberculosis has less HP and stamina, he constantly coughs, and even passes out on the street. We explicitly see the effects of his illness. Alicia, on the other hand, demonstrably has no issues doing anything except for speaking.
>>736904969The villains who aren't just black and white are the best villains, just take a look at Attack on Titan, you never know who you should root for
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>>736905601NTA but the time it will take Aline and Alicia to die and Renoir to destroy the painting is like a single generation for the people of Lumiere, people will have children they know Renoir will erase. The sun exploding is 5 billion year away a span of time our brain literally cannot comprehend. They are two wildly different situations.
>>736904969He killed generations of people (and they are people) just to tell his wife and kids TOUCH GRASS.
>>736905409> Hot, even as a GILF> Probably was super hot when young> Top tier artist> Rich> Magic drawing powers> You can tell she has that artistic craze, probably a succubus in bedRenoir is a lucky man
>>736908702>you never know who you should root for>GENOCIDE IS BAD ERENIsayama tells you who is bad.
>>736909785>Character literally goes "genocide is bad, because it just is OK?"Yea they should have let themselves get genocided because genocide is bad
>>736904969His only redeeming quality is Clea telling you he's genuinely afraid and that is where ALL his thought process comes from. He realizes he and his family are very vulnerable after losing Verso in the fire, so he goes hard making the ruthless choice to murder everything in the Canvas to save his family. But it all stems from uncertainty, being shook to the core and loss.Still doesn't change the fact that he murders generations to spare his family and bury his son for good.
