Are there any fan translations are other translations for this series? Now that I know the official translations are all worthless garbage filled with propaganda, made by a disgusting, pathetic, evil creature who thrives of drestroying art I obviously dont feel like playing the "official" censored versions.
>>736909648Based lad, tranimefags deserve to get shit on.
>Sometimes people meOh, he's retarded...
>>736909648Coon has more meanings than nigger and its not even its main meaning.
fuck them coons
the white guilt is palpable
>>736909713It literally has nothing to do with anime so you are literally just hallucinating something that isnt there to be mad at like a retard. This is about videogame censorship
>>736909648>official translations are all worthless garbage filled with propaganda, made by a disgusting, pathetic, evil creature who thrives of drestroying artMany such cases. My condolences. I too love the Saga games but it is just the world we live in.
>>736909757>Coon has more meanings than niggerLike what?
>>736909846
>>736909648The good news is that he has cancer.
>>736909846Raccoon
>>736909735Yeah, can't take anyone who's meant to work professionally with text seriously after that kind of public fuck up.
>>736909864I have never heard of coon being used as a way to replace the word raccoon.
My dogs name is coon
>>736909945Cartman in Fractured but Whole
>SaGa
>>736910037I'm yet to play the game and I'm aware of the joke being played there.
>>736909898Hope thats true, if he dies painfully and slowly in the hospital then the SaGa series would greatly benefit.
>>736909945I dont care. Shut up retarded nigger.
>>736909945Sounds like something southerners or australians would do.
>>736909648I read Coon I think Racoon
>>736909648Neil Broadley seems to be full of shit. If that If the character was pronounced "Coon", then it would be written クーン which you as localizer could translate back to Kuun and no one would be bothered. If the character was written Coon, then I assume it would be written コオン (Or probably rather コヲン) since Japanese back then loved making their O look cool like that which you would read ko-on, which is also fine. These people really, really like centering everything about fucking racism and find it everywhere.
>>736909898KWAB
>>736909648>sometimes people me
>>736909945It's generally in rural areas, basically if someone is more likely to shoot a raccoon that's been knocking over their garbage instead of calling pest control, it's more likely to hear it
>>736909945That is originally where it comes from, retard. "Coon" as a slur for blacks is comparing them to Raccoons, who like to steal, destroy things, and dig in the trash.
>>736910083what joke is being played, you retarded welfare euronigger, if cartman isn't fucking black and dressed like a raccoon?
>>736910249>australiansWe used to have a brand of cheese called Coon, but they rebranded 5 years ago.
>>736909648At this point I'm convinced this guy is playing some 5D chess to make people hate localizers even more, because I don't believe someone can be so out of touch and so little self aware.
>>736910479Dont care. You are a retarded nigger, go back to tumblr, nigger.
>>736909648Based, this pretentious and garbage franchise deserves the worst.
>>736909648Imagine if Japanese companies just started suing localisers that did thisWhy not just change the spelling to Kun? Oh right, accuracy is not the point
>>736909648nips would 100% call him coon still because it sounds like kun and they think they're being clever. coon absolutely DOES still fly, that's what cartman calls his super hero persona in the fractured but whole>>736910636there is a character in .hack called kuhn whose name is written as クーン in katakana, that also works.
Blacky
>>736909648goon to coon
>>736909648reminder they pay this faggot a fuckload of money for his sanitization advice which will at best prevent 0.05% of players from not seeing a sensitive word but using AI for localization costs nothing by comparison and will not alienate anyone except a scarce group of loud leftist poeple on twitter. This kind of localization doesn't even make sense from a capitalist perspective anymore. It's just vain.
>>736909945Where do you think the derogatory term comes from? Dumb nigger
>>736909648https://eushully.fandom.com/wiki/Sharty
if asian devs actually cared they would hire professional translators.asian devs LOATHE westerners so its no surprise when they dont give a fuck thslat the localization is trash.
>>736909945When Meriwether Lewis, Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett, or millions of young Americans in the 1950s wore coonskin caps did you think they were using dead black guys or something?
>>736910958I assumed this too, but turns out the etymology is more complex than that.>popular abbreviation of raccoon, 1742, American English. It was the nickname of Whig Party members in U.S. c. 1848-60, as the raccoon was the party's symbol, and it also had associations with frontiersmen (who stereotypically wore raccoon-skin caps), which probably ultimately was the source of the Whig Party sense (the party's 1840 campaign was built on a false image of wealthy William Henry Harrison as a rustic frontiersman).>The now-insulting U.S. meaning "black person; nigger" was in use by 1837, said to be from barracoon (by 1837), from Portuguese barraca "slave depot, pen or rough enclosure for black slaves in transit in West Africa, Brazil, Cuba." If so, no doubt this was boosted by the enormously popular blackface minstrel act Zip Coon (George Washington Dixon) which debuted in New York City in 1834. But it is perhaps older (one of the lead characters in the 1767 colonial comic opera "The Disappointment" is a black man named Raccoon).>Also, in Western U.S., "a person" generally, especially a sly, knowing person (1832). Coon's age is 1843, American English, probably an alteration of British a crow's age. (Crows are famously long-lived. Compare Greek tri-koronos "long-lived," literally "having three times the age of a crow." But raccoons are not.) Gone coon (1839) was used of a person who is in a very bad way or a hopeless condition.
anon-coon-san-chama-tan
>>736909648Who cares?
>>736909648Thanks mr faggot, now I know one more slur. Any more examples? Maybe some international ones, I don't discriminate.
>>736911651Im looking for a more accurate translation.
In actual, important SaGa news, anything about remastering Unlimited SaGa yet?
>>736912108It will need a fan translation to be playable im afraid
>>736909648>"Wait can't you just write it as Kuun? It's probably already written like that in Japanese">Check Wiki>It's indeed KuunThat doesn't seem so hard, sure, the reading is different in English, but you are the one making it an issue in the first place, and this way you don't have to pull the name "Riki" out of your ass.
>>736909648Cancer shit.>because devs take worldwide markets into account much more than in the 90sAnd this is why Jap media is censored and faggified at the source in the modern day.Gigacancer shit.>>736909945Because you're a third worlder and don't live in the US.
>>736909648>Now that I know official translations are all worthless garbageIt took you that long?
They didnt even rename the character to be a joke about sexual transmitted diseases? Amateur.
>>736912457Is NISA ever gonna live that down
>>736909648>Sometimes people me why games are localized at all, and not translated 100% directly. THESE FUCKING CLOWNSTranslations ARE localizations. It falls within the spectrum of localization. A 100% accurate translation, however you'd conceptulize that, would still be localization. These fucking clowns are just hiding behind these phrases to justify how they're changing games on terribly reasoned or ill justified grounds. There is no such thing as a "bad translator" but "good localizer". If you're a bad translator, you're a terrible localizer. The way they're trying to separate the terms is just pathetic.
>>736911968I wish I had that bertstrip that had a slur for black people for every letter of the alphabet
>>736909648What's wrong with coons?
>>736909945Coonskin Cap
>>736909648... So we're just not gonna talk about how this bootleg NiGHTS character here is serving booty? Okay.
No, it would be more like "Kuhn"They had no problem with this in the 2000s and even just a few years ago with the remaster
>>736912209Even if you were THAT afraid of his name being interpreted as a slur, wouldn’t the more sensible thing be to go with “Kyun” or “Kuu” or something of that nature? A variant rather than coming up with some OC name?
>>736910484Not that anon, but are there people just not getting he picked it, because of what it means? It's Cartman there's no fucking way he doesn't know what coon means, he picked the name, then made the costume, or that's the implication, that's the joke. Matt and Trey didn't just make him a raccoon costume, and name him coon at random.
>>736909945leftoid pretending not to understand a simple argument awardleftoid pretending to be ignorant about an extremely well-known thing awardleftoid using anecdotal evidence to dismiss facts award
>>736910325
the best part about it is that you losers cant just "download a fan translation" because only 1 or 2 of the games have them because they are almost all officially released
>>736913637Explain how me simply wanting an accurate translation that isnt ruined by censorship makes me a "loser". That doesnt seem logical to me. I think the opposite is true, I think that by not supporting censorship I am on the right side of history. You seem to be very stupid and angry.
>>736913637I just want to say God bless the people doing fan retranslations of games that were already troonslated previously. Those people are troopers and deserve the highest respect.
>>736913772>Explain how me simply wanting an accurate translation that isnt ruined by censorship makes me a "loser".Your occidental ass would immediately call the game shit for being too stiff and lifeless because you don't understand how language works. Learn Japanese.
>>736913959>man makes up fake scenario in his head to be mad at. Wrong. I think an accurate translation would be more enjoyed by all.
>>736913637Oh no! Another game that is not compromised by retards will get my money instead. This is going to be the age of indie games.
>>736909648Reminder.
>>736913959Why do you write like a faggot? Is that part of your localization?
MR. LOCALIZER, GET DOWN!
Bro I am not american so I didnt have any idea why the fuck this would be a banned word but its just another case of mental illness nigger loving bend over, Jesus man
>>736914150Is that a Maine Co--Sorry, Maine Riki?
>>736909648The protagonist syndrome is wild with this guy. It's literally a word to describe an animal, no one around the world gives a fuck about niggers as much as americans.
>>736910325There's already a character in .hack//g.u. names クーン and they handled it by calling him Kuhn.
I don't know whats going on i just want to slap that butt.
>>736909945Did you think coon hunting and coonhounds were racist fucking kek
>>736914125This retard's pokemon comparison doesn't even make sense, why did he pull attack name being equivalent to creature name out of his ass? A character calling their attacks changes what they say depending on which attack is being used, while a pokemon does not. The situations are honestly nothing alike, I don't know how this guy came up with that absolutely braindead string of words
>>736913959If I know Japanese will you admit the translations are shit?
>>736912690no.
>>736914728He's a known shit-stirrer. His translations are legitimately ass, but he won't post any of his controversial changes to social media. He'll just talk about them vaguely. Even in that pic, he actually wouldn't show what he changed "Flowing Slash" to because people would've made fun of "like the wind."
>>736909648>Twittershit & Ragebait
>>736914947its videogames.
>>736913959>Your occidental ass would immediately call the game shit for being too stiff and lifeless because you don't understand how language works.Only the dumb trannies that defend these translations do that. Anything translated is going to sound a bit unnatural because it has been translated, that's just how it is. It's not something unique to japanese or JAP > ENG translation. People who think that are actual fucking retards.
>>736909648based, fuck anime trannies
You literally only care because you want to see a racial slur while sitting in your own filth and giggle
>>736913959when has this ever happened
>>736915654problem?
>>736909945Never heard of a coon skin hat?
>>736915021It's barely about games
>>736909945Have you ever seen this cat >>736914150in your life
>>736916000wrong.
negro is "black" and it's okay to say it. if some faggot from america says otherwise, tell him to suck a dick
>>736909648>drestroying artVideo games aren't art, particularly the kind of weeb shit that gets raped by localizers.
>>736909648>Coon does not fly in Englishwhy do cultural marxist sjws hate raccoons so much
>>736916028It's about shit only /v/fags "care" about because this place is infested with wannabe crusaders.
>>736909648>take worldwide markets into accountworst mistake any jap dev can makepeople play jap games BECAUSE they're japanese. if you strip the jap stuff to appeal to (((global standards and sensibilities))), it's no longer worth playing
>>736916636you can always just go back to r/eddit.
>>736916636>y-you're a crusadersays the cultural marxist keyboard warrior intruding on video game fan spaces to spout xir's worthless drivel
>>736909648Does that mean Maine Coon Cats aren't allowed any more?
>>736916858world of warcraft removed main coon cats as a pet option over 15 years ago
>>736909713Shartynigger
>>736909945Yeah, because you're a third worlder.
>>736916963Was that before the SJWs took over, or was that an early example of their growing censorship powers?
>>736912048Use AI.
>>736909648>>736909757>>736909945>it's another "we have to stop using regular words in the English language because racists/bigots/meanies used them once" episodeYeah, let's just keep deleting words from the English language because sheltered and illiterate retards might have an uncomfortable or bad thought when hearing them.
>>736917062nvm the change was in 2005they did it because "coon is rayciss" is all I know
>trannylator discord wakes up and rushes to defend their holy men
>>736916963>>736917172I didn't know Maine existed in World of Warcraft too.
>>736917125It's pretty retarded.Speaking of retarded, I can't understand why they're trying to turn a common schoolyard insult into a slur. And why that one? Why not 'dumb', which is also a schoolyard insult these days but also used to mean an actual disability?
>>736914125it's a fucking japanese anime game where a character calls out their attack's name while they're preforming it. This has been a trope in japanese media since like what, the 1960s? Fuck this guy.
When I saw how ugly and disfigured-looking this faggot is it all clicked into place. I'd be an annoying waste of space too if I looked like that.
>>736909757Wait coon means nigger?
>>736916831Next time, use English
>>736916636>only /v/ fags care about accurate translation
>>736909648And you retards will continue to do nothing Epstein was right you are all stupid goyim golem cattle There is only one solution
>>736919876but doing nothing is the winning playby doing nothing (aka not buying the games) these people don't get paid.
>>736909648I try to give him the benefit of the doubt since it would be a slur (Rodney King riots would only be 5 years distant from SaGa Frontier's release), but the simplest answer that still saves on text space would just be to call him Koon or Qoon. Riki doesn't come from anywhere.Neil fucking sucks and I do not know why Square even bothers letting him talk on Twitter, much less fuck with their games. I never seen a single one of his posts that weren't DOA'd or ratio'd out of the algorithm.
>>736910857>Blacky
>>736919876>do nothing>companies go out of business>people like these lose jobsHeh.
>>736921083I love Blacky.t half blacky
Jappynese peepo don season dey language We gots to season it fo dem
>>736909648You guys realize that Riki is a young boy, right?
>>736920675Let's remember that this is the guy who turned who turned literally one word (ざまぁ!) into>Then maybe you'll get it through your thick skull that the only "Yo" in your life should be "Yorcia Weald"!
>>736909757We have a brand of cheese in Australia called Coon. It was a fairly popular, well-known brand for decades, with a few memorable ad campaigns. One was this series where people would take photos and say "Coon!" instead of "cheese!". The photos wuld come out and everyone is making "ooh" faces. Then there was this other one with a rock song. "DOCTOR DOCTOR, GIVE ME THE NEWS. OOH BABY I LOOOVE COON!" iirc. I'd love to see how people would react if they say them nowadays.It got changed recently to "Cheer". I felt oddly sad and disappointed when I saw it. Now it's gone the way of other offensive foods, like Creole Creams.
>>736909648Nobody uses coon as a slur anymore.
>>736909757Doesn't matter when you start bringing games over to America. The country sees race in everything.
>>736920675>much less fuck with their games.look at the average FF localization to understand that SE was always like this
>>736924882resetera does
>>736917319Any word or term used to refer to the mentally handicapped will inevitably become an insult. "Mentally retarded" used to be politically correct, but being compared to a retarded person is naturally a perfect, simple insult.
>>736924882>https://litter.catbox.moe/xl7w8m54tg5tf1te.pngI was called it a few years ago.It's not common, but it is still used, like wop or daigo.
>>736924939Now you need to ask 'why', and you start to understand.
>>736917319Because they get a power trip from looking at something normal and going "this is evil and it should be illegal and erased from everything everywhere"
>>736925719purely socio-economic factors
>>736909713fpbp
>>736926036>FagtossOpinion Discarded
>>736926294only mentally ill leftoid snowflakes would disagree
I couldn't give less of a fuck about video game censorship. Actually I take it back. I LOVE it and want more of it just because it's funny to see retards shit themselves in seethe over it.
Don't criticize products and get excited for the next product you can't criticize.
>>736909648What I think is the funniest, is that back in the 90s, Japan was so unfamiliar with black people that they genuinely thought that making Karn a blackfaced thief was celebrating what they perceived to be black culture rather than the offensive racism that it actually was, because I guess what they saw on TV about black people is that they steal a lot.
>>736909846>>736909945Racoon. VIdeo related. Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone were famous for coonskin caps. They even had disney shit in frontier land. They sold the hats by the truckload.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txcRQedoEyY>I have never heard of coon being used as a way to replace the word raccoon.It was common pre 2000 in america. >>736910782>>736910636It's only a matter of time before weirdos start trying to police standard japanese honoriffics.
>>736926435>I don't give a shit about itwow you care so little yet you still posted about it. curious
>>736926036>using human influenced factors>ignoring human research on the situation
>>736909945>never read this kino in schoolSad
>>736917319because they don't actually give a shit if anyone feels insulted.it's only about the high they get when they manage to make someone bend the knee and submit to their demand to no longer use that word it's simple power tripping
>>736926593They literally had the same level of understanding of black people modern wokies have yet they still gave black people as they say...."aura"
>>736914125it's always the same. talentless hacks who never got over the fact that they are a fucking failure when it comes to creative work claiming credit for something after they defaced it.
>>736914728he's just some loser who rewrites shit so he can pretend its his own intellectual work and really he's the creative mastermind behind it, and then makes up retarded excuses for why it was totally justified to do this.whenever someone's explanation for why they did something doesn't seem to make any sense, you can be pretty certain they are lying.
>>736926951Man, I remember we were doing popcorn reading of this book where you read a paragraph and then someone else reads the next paragraph, and everyone was crying, even my teacher.
>>736926593You can go back to where you came from anytime you fucking parasite.
>>736914150That's one Perlman-looking Coon.
>>736927668What could I even have possibly said to trigger you? I've been here since 2006, 4chan is where I'm from.
>>736926593But black culture itself celebrates offensive racisim. I think I could sell that look or picture at Nipsey Hustle's boutique in South Central. And consider the amount of rap music and black movies made by black people that celebrates stealing. And that's still much more civilized than the shit in current say drill rap musci. >>736927089Shit goes hard.
>>736917231I'm not sure why they even bother. There are too many examples of troonslators openly saying that they do it out of spite. There's really no point in trying to defend it.
>>736927759I'm not trying to have a deeper conversation about it that would absolutely lead to janny/moderator intervention. I'm just saying I think it's funny that Japan was so unfamiliar with black people in the 90s that they put a racist caricature of a black person in Breath of Fire, thinking this was a positive thing, when really it became censored for being offensively racist.
>>736927742Your post reeks, absolutely stinks of tumblr, just go back, im not "triggered" thats whay happens to you tumblrtards, you guys get triggered, im just being logical, you are a parasite and dont belong here
>>736909648I like how he destroys his own argument>they need us for cultural sensitivity that would and should also apply to the Japanese release but we get to retroactively change art to suit our needs.
>>736909648I hate how these guys act like the 90s were ancient history and a super different time (for any reason other than lacking their bullshit as blatantly).
>>736913537https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G_vPBeshNE
>>736927930I'm going to challenge whether it is offensively racist. Mr Popo didn't stop the black community from loving the fuck out of Dragon Ball Z.
>>736909757If they want to redefine what "racism" means they probably want to do it to other words too.
>>736925776>>736927000That seems to be the case in general with SJWs, but this one they've been pushing for so long that I've begun to see parents of feebleminded or even just severely autistic children start taking offense to the word, even though they should be old enough to remember it's just a schoolyard insult.
What are you waiting for?
>>736924781What's up with Creole Creams?
>>736927949I've been on 4chan since 2006 and I've never been anywhere else, and definitely not Tumblr. >>736928229>Mr Popo didn't stop the black community from loving the fuck out of Dragon Ball Z.Mr. Popo wasn't a thief who lived in a town of perpetual darkness called "Bleak" where everyone is also a thief.
>>736909757When Neal Broadley hears "coon", a racist caricature of a black person immediately pops in his mind
>>736928313I'm not waiting for anything, it just takes time. It's not like my memory is good enough to simply bruteforce thousands of hours of practicing in a year or two.
>>736909648>devs take worldwide markets into account much more than in the 90sThat's a fucking tragedy in and of itself.
>>736928313I'm workin' on it!
>>736928425yes it is, just pick a perfect guide book and start cramming.
>>736928313>play game in JP>can't even discuss it with /vee/
>>736909648Coon is only an offensive term if used to describe a black person.
>>736928313it's too hard, I came to write about it次第です
>>736928514>its over.In japanese.>Most complicated kanji for a simple single vowel.LOL. Japanese Kanji is pure autism. Only hint is the woman's "Onna" for the sound.
buncha 'coons (short for raccoon) in this thread
>>736928812>Tr's note: 'coon' is short for 'racoon'This should suffice
I hate this virtue signaling globohomo dogshit so much it's unreal.Btw the word "book" in russain is "kniga" aka k-NEE-GA and I bet it is offensive to lefties.
>>736928978Isn't the word for 'no' in Korean also close to nigga? There's some word that wounds like it, I hear it in kpop often.
>>736929151Naega, Nega, Niga = Maybe in Gook.
>>736929468That's it, thank you
>>736913564Why not just do "Khune" or something like that? I've IRL seen people with 'Khune' as a last name, pronounced the same as Coon.
>>736928978>>736929151https://www.npr.org/2020/09/16/913693813/professor-is-at-center-of-controversy-over-chinese-word-that-sounded-like-racial
>>736929692If its the same pronunciation why should it matter?
>>736924939>America. The country sees race in everything.This will never not be funny to me. Like imagine some sensitive west coast faggot writing to the dev team>"Uh hey, you see this giant fat ugly green troll thing with huge red lips? Well uh it looks too much like a NIGGER because everyone knows only NIGGERS have huge red lips like that so you need to remove the lips so nobody mistakes this giant fat ugly green troll for a NIGGER"
>>736928978"Bitter" (as in the taste) in Japanese is "nigai". Leaving off the ending i is pretty common in casual speech.
>>736930541I hate this shit, especially how they outright admit it wasn't made with the intent now and will just say it needs to go regardless.
>>736928978>>736929151https://youtu.be/lg7sn2qgrwQ
>>736928514>learn japanese for vidya>can't discuss JP-only games with /v/>can't post funny screenshots unless I translate them first>can't follow /v/'s conversations on a game because everything was renamed in the western versionBUT>have less reason to waste time on /v/ (and that's a good thing)I think it balances out.The dissonance is even worse on /a/, I can't believe the scanlated crap anons consume over there.
>>736930953>scanlated shit on /a/.heh. I thankfully only read quality slop that doesn't have that issue.
>>736930541this does actually make it noticeably less repulsive looking to me
>>736909648>character name is four letters>not being used as a racial slur>entirely innocent>brings to mind a raccoon>NOT ALLOWED WE MUST CHANGE THISWhatever happened to letting retards be offended? Anyone who loses their shit over something so obviously innocent deserves their outrage, and if they try to make it problem for anyone else they should get no response except "shut the fuck up", repeated as many times as necessary for them to get the message. This is actually doing them a favor. Enabling their retardation is not being kind. Who the FUCK thought it was a good idea to let society be shaped by the brainless whims of perpetually offended morons?
>>736909648>>736931238Unironically, and in complete seriousness, shit like this is exactly why the world needs to embrace racism again.
>>736931238Fun fact; I'd rather feed raccoons in any urban area over illegals and niggers. At least they are a source for innovation to technology to make it less breakable.
>>736928978a communications professor in california got suspended for saying 那个(nèi ge), an empty filler word, in a course about communication, after nignogs complainedamerican language colonialism goes deeper than you can imagine
>>736930541>>736930672That enemy was originally brown and encountered on the continent shaped like Africa in DQ3 so it’s not completely baseless. They didn’t need to change the lip color after making it green though.
>>736909648Just spell it kuun
>>736931503It's still completely illogical, when you think about it, that there is a word that people of that group say as literally every other word and they call each other that word, but then if anyone else uses it at all they get permanently canceled and if they are killed because they said that word, it becomes their own fault, since they said the no-no word.
>>736931313Nah, too far. People just need to be taught respect, you whip out actual racism and you destroy any credibility to the claim this is harmless, throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
>>736930953>I can't believe the scanlated crap anons consume over thereWhat do you mean? Translation quality?
>>736931503Its not colonialism:>Cultural Imperialism And Soft-Power Projection.That's all it is.
>>736931756They're talking about fan translations. Fan TLs are just as suceptible to shitty localization as any official work
>>736909945>I have never heard of coon being used as a way to replace the word raccoon.Only because people are terrified to say it now.
>>736931869At least fan TLs don't often sell out to woke enforcement and keep the Japanese memes intact.
>>736931313racism exists as a means to an end (shorthand to weed out undesirables). making it the end in itself is retardedneed an example? some jews were honorary aryans (i.e. not even hitler made exceptions to his "racism")
>>736931747We should just embrace toxic comms fully like back in 80s-90s and not give a shit. If it offends: Good. Just offend back.
>>736931747>Nah, too far. It's not.It's not that we need racism exactly (well, the point could be made) but that we need to stop being pathologically afraid of it. It's destructive on so many levels.I would rather live in an outwardly racist society than one so terrified of it that an innocent use of the word Coon is not allowed.
>>736931747>you whip out actual racism and you destroy any credibility to the claim this is harmlessWon't be a problem soon. The world is becoming mega-racist in real time.
>>736909648Oh please, stop using this series for your idpol cultural war when you'd be the first one to screech about Asellus being bisexual
>>736932745“Anon makes up scenario in his head to get mad at” has happened like 3 times in this already it’s kinda strange
>>736932853NTA, but, I mean OP pulled this from Twitter to get mad
>>736909648What are you talking about?Localization is the most important step in any game development!
>>736932971Yeah because he’s passionate about this issue. The guy made up the getting mad about bisexuals shit out of nowhere
>>736909757True. No one complained that the ghibli movie LaPuta means The slut in spanish. Only americans cry about this when localizing and force everyone else to follow or throw a trantum
>>736932745>censorship is okay because i made up a fake scenario in my head where you are a straw man! Lets burn the constitution!
>>736932018>and keep the Japanese memes intact.That's assuming they understood there was a meme at all. Most scanlators are retarded.
>>736933059>he’s passionate about this issueI see we're using that double standard.
>>736930953manga fans are genuinely slop consumers. You don't realize how bad reading manga in english is until you learn enough japanese to appreciate the original.
>>736932745>it's an "idpol cultural war" to not like localizers taking libertiesIt kind of sounds like you're the one waging a cultural war here.
>>736909648proof that leftists are more racist than everyone else>saw the name coon>first immediate thought was not racoon, but niggerslol
>>736933207Japanese word plays are so niche content nobody has bothered to milk content out of them on youtube or other platforms for a wider audience. I always enjoyed this part of the Japanese language autism.
>>736933234Where’s the double standard? He wants more accurate game translations. You are literally the only person bringing up this bisexual shit out of nowhere trying to discredit OP
>>736933207>translator notes, my belovedThis is the golden standard and I wish we lived in a world where it was the norm
>SaGalmao, just machine translate that shitdialogues are easily handled by machine translation, it's narration that's still a problem
>>736909648This guy has earned so much generational hatred
>>736933439i should look up where he lives some time and go egg his house
>>736933059This faggot OP is not passionate about anything other than idpol bullshit, which is why he spams this shitty thread regularly lately when everyone who actually plays these games (so like three people on /v/) knows SaGa localizations have always been middling and censored to hell and back since the very first game.Hell he's not even talking about Neil's actual additional censorship to the game like changing Genocide Heart to Heretical Heart because, to the surprise of exactly no one, he doesn't actually play the games nor does he want to talk about it, he's just reposting twitter shit about a change that happened in fucking 1997.He also doesn't say that Neil's revised localization actually does correct a lot of things the OG translation got wrong, like the "Asura sword" being a total fabrication and being translated correctly in the revised script.It's all just inflammatory twitter reposts you subhumans gobble up because idpol bullshit is what you actually want, none of you is actually talking about either the games, the original localizations or Neil's revisions.
>>736913397But then how else would the trannylator get hos claws into development for the game?
>>736909945you're actually retarded
>>736909648Been meaning to play this againI'm going to call him COON in all caps(You can change their names right? I don't remember)
>>736933476He hasn’t brought up any characters sexualities. You are just trying to stir shit because you have it out for OP.
>>736913959>Your occidental assincel alert
>>736911421Pussy is actually short of pusillanimous, eg being unsure or wavering. Hence pussy-footed, and the association of cats being whimsical.
>"idpol">catposter>censorship apologist
>>736933542Of course he didn't, because first off he'd need to actually play the game to know, secondly because it would actually be against his idpol psyop as you faggots would immediately brand the game as woke exactly like you did with Emerald Beyond for having Formina being styled after SEA muslim women.None of you play or care about these games and their mediocre localizations, all you want is idpol bullshit to circlejerk about.
>>736933471Honestly, nerds really need to start organizing inpublic demonstrations outside the officesHow many hobbies could have been saved if CEO's actually had to deal with the visceral hate for their poor decisions
>>736933476>when everyone who actually plays these games (so like three people on /v/) knows SaGa localizations have always been middling and censored to hell and back since the very first game.So you agree that it's a problem then?>He also doesn't say that Neil's revised localization actually does correct a lot of things the OG translation got wrong, like the "Asura sword" being a total fabrication and being translated correctly in the revised script.If he can do that, why can't he keep the character's name intact?Doing some things well doesn't absolve him of injecting his own idpol bullshit.Or is his idpol bullshit okay?
>>736928463ganbare!>>736928514what game? also you at least get to feel smug if/when it gets a JP release
>>736933684I just want accuracy, dudeI want all the idpol bullshit gone, no matter who it comes fromIf you're railing against one form of idpol bullshit (in the form of a massive strawman btw) while excusing another form of idpol bullshit, you are no betterIn fact, it feels lot like you are throwing around accusations to deflect from the issue, and avoid acknowledging it.
>>736932214>I would rather live in an outwardly racist societyLook, I ain't no leftist or program but I'd only take you seriously saying this if you actually lived through genuine real life altering racism. Imagine being passed up for a job or a university just because of your skin tone. Imagine getting the shit beat out of you walking home just because of your color. I know all this candy ass sensitive wokescold bullshit is retarded but again, baby out with the bathwater. I'd rather people be afraid to say Voldemort than Voldemort actually being at large.
>>736933690it's not a viable thing because of the cost of travel and because it'd land you on a no fly list. God's "chosen" are a protected class
>>736933684So like I said from the beginning, “anon makes up scenario in his head to get mad at”
>>736928978>>736929897kekI visited Taiwan a long time ago without knowing the languages, and someone told us about that word ahead of time because it's so common for English-speakers to double-take when they hear people speaking Mandarin say what sounds like "nigga" so much. It really does sound exactly the same. The professor in that story was on point using it as an example. It's like the go-to example of a filler word in Mandarin, and gets mentioned to English-speaking people specifically because they know we think it sounds weird.
>>736933059>Yeah because he’s passionate about this issueHory shit, this phrase is going to usher on a new era of trolling.
>>736933897Were you alive in 2020?
>>736932091>not evenmeant even
>>736933897>Imagine being passed up for a job or a university just because of your skin tone. Imagine getting the shit beat out of you walking home just because of your colorI don't need to imagine those things. I'm white. I am turned down for jobs in advance because of my skin color. Thankfully I've never been beaten up for it, but in some areas of my own country that is a very real possibility.
>>736933897>I'd rather people be afraid to say Voldemort than Voldemort actually being at large.Not an apt metaphor at all. Niggers are at large committing violent crime and people are also afraid to say the nigger word in public. Which fairy tale part of the world do you live in to be so fucking retarded?
>>736933694Of course I agree it's a problem...for EOPs, luckily the modern releases have been dual language releases for a while so if you still didn't get a memo that has been a thing for every single japanese game since forever it's your fault.You think making a thread in here will change anything? No it won't, it's just an idpol circlejerk to you to stroke your tiny e-peen over, doubly so when none of the actual localization changes are discussed, which as much as I dislike actually did correct a lot of shit that the original localization got wrong.>If he can do that, why can't he keep the character's name intact?Because believe it or not, localizers have to adhere to (american) cultural standards they have little to no control over, hence why again, he changed Genocide Heart to Heretical Heart and "ass" to "butt" just to be sure, silly as it is.If you want to get mad at him for his localization you should get mad at how he butchered some dialogues in other games, which you can't do it since again, you don't play them.Neil's sins aren't in keeping censored names that were originally censored, it's being way too liberal in other, more important places where changes are actually inexcusable and are purely driven by his questionable taste.>>736933862You're not getting any accuracy because the localization process is inherently tied to the cultural imperialism of the nations that demand it.I'm throwing accusations because again, the OP is doing it for something that is completely unrelated to this and has been doing it for a while, which is why none of you are actually bringing up how:a) The revised script actually fixes a lot of things the original 1997 localization got wrongb) Coon's name being changed to Riki is something that Neil in particular has no control over, in fact you should accuse him for ulterior censorship of names that were not censored in the original localizationc) None of you are actually bringing up examples past the twitter ragebait
>>736933207>"insufficient kanji frames">感じ --> 漢字 (correct)>欠け --> 欠け (incorrect)>独楽 --> コマ (incorrect)1/3
>>736933348I didn't bring up bisexual shit, you smooth brained bastard
>>736934196So is this your first localization thread?
>>736934196Hello Neil.
Putting aside another Xitter drama thread, the concept itself is an issue >Don't do innocent thing X, it was another time, today they'd be sure not to offend anyone in another country because that is what they look at first. We can't have a protagonist name Bob because in Swahili its the phonetic associated with jacking off so no more characters named BobInstead of encouraging people to realize >You know, this character with a surname Coon, who has a racoon tail and other animal features isn't there specifically to piss off black people. Just the same way the raccoon itself, a 'coonskin cap' worn by Davy Crockett is a reference to the same animal, and the Maine Coon cat breed is named for its long puffy fur that on the tail is resminiscent of a racooon etc. He's not in minstrel show or in blackface in a jazz combo. Maybe think a little before you screech DATS WAYCISS , please? If people start avoiding anything potentially offensive to a handful of people who are going to make a snap judgment and lose their fucking mind screaming, it ruins things for everyone.
>>736934196lotta yapping just to run cover for people who are lying for money
>>736933542Man, FUCK OP. And fuck you fir defending that coward.
>>736934280>>736932745
>>736934267someone hire this man to translate.
>>736934135>white
>>736934473ironic
>>736909648Fuck off, because something is offensive in your language, does not mean you get to dictate every single other language on the planet to not use it anymore. I know this is bait, but goddamn is it perfect bait for me.
>>736934397>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TALK ABOUT SEXUALITY TALK ABOUT THE CULTURE WAR PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TALK ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE INNACURTE TRANSLATION
>>736910857Nintendo of Japan actually put out a statement after the Mario Movie that going forward his name is Spike now.
>>736934308Can you read you retarded fuck?How can this be my first localization thread if I already mentioned the previous ones made by the same faggot?I already said this is a problem for all localization in general.>>736934327I don't really like the guy but he's better than what we had before although not like it's a high bar at all to be fair, I dislike dishonest fucks even more than I dislike him.Also unlike you people I actually do play the games in both languages so my criticism has a lot more ground to stand on that your vapid circlejerk, especially coming from a place that still deepthroats people like O'Smith despite 90% of his work on Matsuno's game being LITERAL fanfiction, none of you fucks have any sort of integrity.
>>736934473why is this image semi-transparent
>>736934530>>736934414This is my post >>736932971
>>736934473>bait used to be believable
>>736934370>>736909648It's ironic, right? There's a core argument that's almost always being made without actually being addressed, an elephant in the room, and it's fundamentally not respecting other cultures and their art for the decisions they make. Saying this is fine to the artist's and publisher's sensibilities, so if you are going to take on a project of bringing that art to another language why do you pick and choose elements to take umbrage with? I'm not going to translate Dragonball if I can't feel comfortable with Roshi's perverted old man schtick, that's like trying to fuck someone with a fetish that disgusts you.
>>736934560There is no need to defend your shitty translation on anonymous basket weaving forum.
>>736934267That's not my translation but yeah. It should be 漢字が書けなくて困っちゃう
>>736934196>begins with immediate deflection (one among many): it's not a problem because it only affects english-only readers (the entire purpose that translation exists by the way), demonstrating a stubborn determination not to discuss the problem in any sort of good faith>is even more determined not to acknowledge that the idpol bullshit he claims to be against is the driving force behind most instances of localizer overreach these days>not "cultural imperialism", but actual, open ideologues who change things in entirely unnecessary ways because they are activistsYou are a culture warrior. You pretend not to be because you think presenting your position as the normal, default state is a path to victory. You are dishonest to your core.Unlike most of your kind, I believe that you do play these games. Which makes your readiness to sacrifice them for your agenda all the more disgusting.I don't know what OP plays and what he doesn't. I do know that in being willing to fight for their integrity, he has more genuine passion for them than you do.Quite frankly, it disgusts me that you invoke your hobby as a weapon while you work to defend its destruction.
>>736934473Tell me why being rejected for jobs and universities because of my skin color doesn't count because my skin color is white.Tell me why the risk of being beaten badly because of my skin color doesn't count because my skin color is white.Tell me what privilege I have, other than the rapidly diminishing claim to demographic majority, which I am not allowed to be disturbed by.
>>736934473Genetic superiority =/= privilege.
>>736935093How the fuck you got discriminated against because you're white? Were you actually qualified or are you crying victim?
>>736909648ignore listed so i don't even buy it on sale
>>736909648>all culture must revolve around america or there will be consequencesI'm tired of the antichrist
>>736935313I'm tired of cultural imperialism no matter which side it is tbfh.
>>736935224>everyone who isn't a white male prioritized in hiring and university applications>How the fuck you got discriminated against because you're white?The idea that whites cannot be discriminated against is extremely racist in itself.
>>736909648We literally have black people in real life with surnames like Brown, Black, or Brownman. I went to high school with an Indian girl called Nigar. These guys just huff their own farts.
>>736934560It must be your first because your descriptions are generally innacurate
>>736919876So what would be doing something here look like?What's your plan to replace this guy at a job that he's already been hired for and why should the publisher listen to you?
Bros, just learn Japanese at this point.
>>736909945fucking retarded zoomer
>>736909945This city slickin' cracker never hung out with real niggas who love coondogs, and everything about them.Huntin'. Eatin'. Skinnin'.
>>736914947>hurrdurrr everything is rage bait >stop caring about it even when it is has actual impacts in the world>stop resisting
>>736935504i did, but why should my friends and family be forced to experience this bullshit?
>>736912108Will it even come out this year?
>>736935420Answer the fucking question because it sounds like more "crying about not being good enough so the race card is being played"
>>736935504>stop complaining! stop having standards!Learning Japanese is a good idea, I recommend it. But why does the suggestion always come alongside these asinine attempts to shut down discussion?Why can't I learn Japanese AND complain about localizers?
>>736935354Wake me up when Japanese people start demanding that girls outside of japan all need to have flat chests and show their panties
>>736935642Yes, I have been rejected for positions I am qualified for solely on the basis of my race.
>>736909648Just spell it differently then, not like it fucking mattersThis fucking faggot I swear to GodKoonKooneKuneKuun (direct transliteration)This isn't hard
>>736935224What year are you posting from, holy shit
>>736935737
>>736935854His programming is still stuck in 2021. Probably a bot.
>>736935842that doesn't allow me to strut in front of the world for good boy points, denied
>>736935842But then they can't signal their virtue by vandalizing something
>>736934948>You are a culture warrior.I'm not the one making thinly veiled idpol threads about games I never played to fuel mass hysteria without even talking about the actual work's quality, especially compared to not just the rest of the industry but to the previous standards this specific series had.You can keep attacking me all you want and play the "I know I am but what are you card", thing is you can't prove me wrong on anything because again, you do not play the fucking games nor are you interested in having a honest conversation about a problem that the entire media industry, from books to videogames always had, because if we were to actually talk about any of this you wouldn't have anything to bring to the table, let alone fuel this dogshit thread.>it disgusts me that you invoke your hobby as a weapon while you work to defend its destruction.Again, I'm not the one making thinly veiled idpol threads about games I don't play.If you really want me to I can bring up every single game Neil worked on as a localizer and tell you very impartially what he did well, what he fixed coming from the old localizations and what he absolutely fucked up, problem is there's would be no juicy controversy for you and your little circlejerk to cream yourself over because Neil is a painfully average american localizer doing what exactly every average american localizer does since the beginning of this industry.He sure has a long list of mistakes for all of his boasting online but make no mistake, he's nowhere near the caliber of people like Vic Ireland, O'Smith and what have you, which is what you motherfuckers should actually talk about here, how the localizations as a whole actually stand up compared to the standard, which you're not doing because, for the last timea) You don't play these gamesb) You have no honest interest in discussing the localization issuec) You are here for idpol bullshit as you yourself keep showing by attacking me rather than proving me wrong
>>736910636imagine if nip companies actually give a fuck about it and paid well enough to hire professional translation firms
>>736933476TRVKE
>>736935420I don't think it's goalpost shifting to say that >any form of race based discrimination is racism >and I'd agree you experienced it if you were passed up by an equally qualified candidate with a more prioritized skin tone or ethnicityMy father experienced the same. But also I think there's a major difference between "Blackrock wants us to satisfy a race quota so let's hire the black guy" vs "fuck that jungle monkey, I'd rather sell the company to Satan than hire a nigger to work in this office, always sitting next to me and knowing the safe combination."When I spoke of racism being too much to remedy our current situation and asking if one had experienced it, it was more the latter. I want to be genuine and open my mind to the argument, but where I was coming from was talking about the kind of racism that just makes one feel wary or unsafe every corner they turn in town, praying nobody attacks your house overnight or destroys your car in the parking lot because they know your race and don't like it.
>>736935874Okay, racist.
Wow SaGa must be popular on /v/ so when I make a emerald beyond thread it better not die so quickly
>>736913772How much are you willing to pay for that?You can commission translation yourself.
>>736910513You've never seen a Commiefornian up close, haven't you? Or those freaks at West Sodom (Seattle)?
>>736924315Yes, and...?
>>736936130It would be you, me and maybe two other anons, certainly not any shitposter from this dogshit thread
>>736936130this dude's deeply embedded at squeenix, he's not just corrupting saga
>>736936238He has like 10 works to his name and nobody gave a single shit about him until the faggot OP started making threads some months ago.>he's not just corrupting sagaAnd you would know...how?Please make a detailed post about how he's "corrupting saga", what do you think about his work on Minstrel Song Remastered for instance?
QUE ES COON?? WHAT IS COONCONTIGO CONMIGO LA PUTA MADRE PUTA ZORRAESTE JUEGO DEL PUTO
>>736936461>minstrel songthat's racist
>>736935994>a) You don't play these gamesI do.>b) You have no honest interest in discussing the localization issueWhy, because I don't have an opinion that you agree with? Or because I haven't met your purity test by talking about this localization choice or that localization choice? I'll speedrun it for you: Mistakes annoy me. Dumb but minor changes annoy me. Excessive liberties taken piss me off. Ideologically motivated liberties piss me off the most because I don't like to see my hobbies co-opted by idpol shit, which is a position you claim to share, but so far only to the extent that you can use it to launch accusations at OP and myself.>c) You are here for idpol bullshitThe only idpol bullshit I am interested in regard to translations is to keep it out of them.>you yourself keep showing by attacking me rather than proving me wrongLike you have been doing from the beginning? Inventing stupid purity tests solely for the purpose of accusing people of not playing or caring about the games in question, and thus attempting to discredit them?That doesn't sound like honest discussion to me. But let's talk. I'll start:What do you think about localizers zealously removing or altering text they deem problematic? By THEIR standards, mind you, that go far beyond the the "culturally imperialist" standards of the country being translated for.Do you agree that such a phenomenon exists?
>>736936820>t. I'm a polfag who's been discovered
>>736936092>"Blackrock wants us to satisfy a race quota so let's hire the black guy" vs "fuck that jungle monkey, I'd rather sell the company to Satan than hire a nigger to work in this office, always sitting next to me and knowing the safe combination."You'd be mad to think that a combination of both is not at play. But even the former is still institutionalized racism, yes? I've heard a lot about how that is. Surely it's also bad when it's leveraged against me.>I want to be genuine and open my mind to the argument, but where I was coming from was talking about the kind of racism that just makes one feel wary or unsafe every corner they turn in town, praying nobody attacks your house overnight or destroys your car in the parking lot because they know your race and don't like it.People are often attacked for the crime of being white. Remember that poor Ukranian girl that got stabbed to death on the subway? The dude said afterwards "I got that white girl."That (or a less lethal variation of) I have not experienced. But I easily could, if I walk down the wrong street at the wrong time. Do you think that knowledge doesn't play on my mind?To be fair, when I talk about racism needing to be accepted, I'm not referring to violence. That's inexcusable. I do think it's fair for people to choose their employees by whatever method they like, so long as everyone is afforded that same right.
>>736931238>Whatever happened to letting retards be offended?They took over the culture.>Who the FUCK thought it was a good idea to let society be shaped by the brainless whims of perpetually offended morons?SJWs/wokeists/leftists
>idpol idpol idpol idpol This redditor is really trying his hardest to gaslight us, 4channelers.Probably one of trannylators. Explain why he's white knighting his director.
>>736936820I just want to say that I really like seeing you cook, exactly the right kind of way to respond to folks like that. Very visceral and very to the point. It's very interesting how often that way of talking about things conveniently dances around acknowledging the problem or even the idea of doing anything about it. Very interesting, indeed.
>>736937007If this is how you respond when you are engaged in good faith, you are every bit as slimy and dishonest as I knew you were.Thank you for exposing yourself so completely that there can be no question as to your real agenda.
>>736933329These are the exact same people who see orcs and think of black folks and see goblins and think of Jewish people and then tell us we're racist for not seeing it.
>>736936820>I do.If you did then why are you propping up OP for lashing against a localization from 1997 that the current localizer has no involvement in?If you did play these games why didn't you mention how bad the old localizations were compared to the current ones?>Ideologically motivated liberties piss me off the most because I don't like to see my hobbies co-opted by idpol shitWhich is why again, you're here attacking a localizer for work that is not even his and something that is also entirely out of his control, unlike the examples only I have provided so far about things that are actually entirely his fault?Curious!It's also curious that you haven't immediately pointed out how Neil actually corrected a metric ton of shit that was patently wrong in the original game including other characters' names such as Emilia's, which was wrongly localized as Emelia in the original localization, something you should thank him for, but for some reason you're very quick to pull the trigger for Riki's case.>Like you have been doing from the beginningSo I take you're the OP?>Inventing stupid purity testsI'm not inventing anything, I'm merely pointing out your duplicitous standards and lies, and your continued attempt at accusing others of the shit you keep doing.>What do you think about localizers zealously removing or altering text they deem problematic?It's a cultural issue first and foremost, "THEIR" standards are cultural imperialist standards by definition because localization in itself is a process that is intrinsically tied to cultural identity.Localizers change content, e.g. SaGa 2 drugs being changed to bananas in the old 1990 localization, because some things are deemed offensive for certain cultural backgrounds, the guidelines here aren't inherently personal as much as they're inherently tied to relative cultural standards.Is it bad? Absolutely.Is it necessary? If you want to keep your job and pay bills.Is it a purely personal issue? Not really.
>>736937134Hey, thanks anon. It's easy to do when they evoke such feelings of disgust.
>>736937260So you can't even tell who's who?Or do you seriously believe only one guy in this dogshit thread can see you for what you really are?You're frothing at your mouth because you're just another culture warrior, no matter how hard you project on others.
>>736937453>propping up OP for lashing against a localization from 1997I agree OP's ire is misdirected, in that this guy wasn't responsible for the initial change. Reading between the lines, he's clearly in agreement with it, and that illustrates a broader issue.>why didn't you mention how bad the old localizations were compared to the current ones?It's been a while since I last played SaGa Frontier. I was actually going to play it again as soon as I was done with Wild ARMs. When it's fresh in my mind, I'm sure I'll have a lot to bitch about. But, I imagine, very little in the way of ideological defacement.>more stupid purity testsYawn.>So I take you're the OP?No, just pointing out how you were projecting onto him hard, and using that to avoid acknowledging the issue.>It's a cultural issue first and foremost, "THEIR" standards are cultural imperialist standards by definition because localization in itself is a process that is intrinsically tied to cultural identity.It's a cultural issue, sure. They are using their position to try and change culture by making unwarranted changes. If idpol bullshit pisses you off, why doesn't this?>SaGa 2 drugs being changed to bananas in the old 1990 localization, because some things are deemed offensive for certain cultural backgroundsWhich is dumb as fuck, but cautious in nature, which is different from ->aren't inherently personal - the proactive and very personal agenda of a localizer who decides to change a character's pronouns to "they", or add some nonsense about gender binaries, or remove references to a woman being praised for her feminine appearance, or all sorts of other insidious shit which you are mysteriously defending despite being oh-so-disapproving of idpol bullshit. To say there are not personal agendas at play here is to lie or admit wilful ignorance. Hence, you do NOT care about these games or their translations. You only care about defending the vandalism of your fellow culture warriors.
>>736937589>So you can't even tell who's who?My apologies. I was confused by your blatant samefagging.
>"I'm not culture warrior you 4chan chuds">*wall of texting for 2 hours*
>>736931520The brown African troll is a palette swap; the green troll is appropriately representing South America.
>>736909945There's an old Mickey and Pluto cartoon called Coon Dawg where they go hunting raccoons.
>>736931520>That enemy was originally brown and encountered on the continent shaped like Africa in DQ3 so it’s not completely baseless.Don't care, they should have left it intact anyway. Censorship is vandalism. Put a gay disclaimer at the beginning like the tomb raider remaster if need be.
>>736937134Yeah. It's funny when newfags act as psychotic as possible then behave surprised as can be when people respond to them with nasty comments. They're in for a rough awakening when they try this newfag rhetoric bullshit in the real world.
>>736909846its literally short for racoon
>>736938524A while? Make it never.>No, just pointing out how you were projecting onto him hardI'm not, which is why again, you're still peddling this bullshit while pretending you're playing games you clearly don't know shit about while accusing other people of the shit you keep doing, including samefagging.>They are using their position to try and change culture by making unwarranted changes.No they aren't, if there's anything you should accuse them of is that they're not using their position to fight against a pre-established status quo enforced by the upper class that doesn't really have any meaningful basis in reality.Which is a socioeconomic problem related to, guess what? Cultural imperialism, nobody likes to lose their job because they went against pearl clutchers with a lot of money and power, it's very sad but that's how it is, which is why this problem can be found in all localizations, not only in videogames, since the practice started.What pisses me off is that you faggots keep attacking the people but not the system, because you're culture warriors fighting for one very specific side, you have no interest in rectifying the problem at its route, you only want to virtue signal for your side while stoking issues that only snowball the situation further.>Which is dumb as fuck, but cautious in natureSame exact reason why Coon's name was changed to Riki, or why the recent change of Genocide Heart to Heretical Heart happened, all of these are politically motivated things that happen because of cultural imperialism.>- the proactive and very personal agenda of a localizer who decides to change a character's pronouns to "they"That too is cultural imperialism, which you gleefully mention because it helps you further your own personal agenda, but something like changing RS2's town of Mermaid to Oceanus? That's an actual personal thing you don't mention because outside of not playing the games there's no juicy idpol drama for you to talk about.
>>736939896>A while? Make it never.Okay, I can do this too. You never once played SaGa Frontier, or any other SaGa game. You pretend you did so you can appropriate a false veneer of authority in your culture war discussions.>I'm not(He is)>No they aren't(They are)Okay, let's use a different approach. As someone who hates idpol bullshit, you should be able to answer this.Is it bad for a localizer to alter a game to satisfy a personal agenda?You don't have to agree that it's happening. You can keep it entirely hypothetical. Just say that it's bad. Denounce the very idea of it.You can do that, right?>if there's anything you should accuse them of is that they're not using their position to fight against a pre-established status quo enforced by the upper class that doesn't really have any meaningful basis in reality.That's a curious thing for someone who hates idpol shit to say. It's also a curious thing for someone who dislikes unnecessary changes to say.You know what I think would be cool? If they just translated games as accurately as possible and left their politics at the door.>Same exact reason why Coon's name was changed to Riki, or why the recent change of Genocide Heart to Heretical Heart happened, all of these are politically motivated things that happen because of cultural imperialism.Yeah, the cultural imperialism of progressive activist vandals.>but something like changing RS2's town of Mermaid to Oceanus? That's an actual personal thing you don't mentionNot familiar with that one, since I haven't played Romancing SaGa 2 yet. But since we established at the beginning of my post that you haven't either, since you don't play these games at all, I'm left to wonder why you mentioned it. Stick to games you give a shit about.Oh wait. There aren't any.
>>736909648Ok so just write it as Kune, what's the issue
>>736909648>Sometimes people me why games
>>736939054>"I'm not a culture warrior you 4chan chuds">"But localizers should use their position to fight against a pre-established status quo enforced by the upper class that doesn't really have any meaningful basis in reality."You can't make this shit up
>>736934948>deflection (one among many): it's not a problem because it only affects english-only readersdumbest shit i've read all week saying something isn't a problem because it only affects a handful of retards is a perfectly valid rebuttal
>>736941360Okay. Who are translations for if not english readers? Why does this guy care enough about them to swing his dick around but immediately profess not to care that they're not fit for purpose?(Hint: He is being dishonest, and it is on purpose.)
>>736940605>You never once played SaGa Frontier, or any other SaGa game.Yeah, about that>Is it bad for a localizer to alter a game to satisfy a personal agenda?Of course it is, ideally localizers wouldn't be a thing to begin with because by definition they need to satisfy somebody else's agenda, never mind possibly personal ones.Localization at its core is the problem, localizers just add onto it more often than not.>That's a curious thing for someone who hates idpol shit to say.It really isn't, but you're too much of a useful idiot to understand why somebody who actually opposes idpol bullshit doesn't like being forced to kneel to a status quo established by a leading class that is also completely out of touch with reality and with clear, dangerous socioeconomic agendas, which is why you have an immediate kneejerk reaction about "leaving politics at the door" as if it isn't exactly what I just said, because you're uncomfortable with the reality that your masters have been attacked.>the cultural imperialism of progressive activist vandals.It wasn't "progressive activist vandals" that turned drugs into bananas or changed God into Creator, something which again, you'd know and bring up but since YOU are the one who doesn't play these games and doesn't have any interest in the actual problems of localization, which is why like the little culture warrior you are you insist on blaming "progressives" for a problem that has always involved the entire political spectrum.>Not familiar with that oneYeah, you're not familiar with any of the localization issues in any of these games either, which is why again, you don't bring up any of them to support your nonexistent arguments while I do.All you can do is post offtopic political bullshit and slander about games you don't play and pretend a painfully average american localizer as the devil or somebody who "corrupts saga" when even with all his faults and unwarranted narcissism he actually did more good than bad.
>>736941731I swing my dick on you because you're a fucking duplicitous retard who doesn't actually give a shit about any of these games.I could care less about EOPs refusing to do what they should, even the best translation is NEVER enough and if you actually cared you'd learn the language, I DO CARE about EOP culture warriors using games I do care about as fuel for your little off topic political crusade that not only makes this board a fucking pigsty but creates an incredibly disingenuous narrative about things I do care about.Again, do you want me to make you a list of Neil's sins, I'll fucking do it for every single game he supervised, but I'll ALSO point how not only the things he did fix coming from old versions of the games, but the things he did right, and I'll do it for other localizers I know too, localizers this shithole of a board loved for the very same reasons or worse that you use to shit on this one, because unlike you I not only have actual fucking coherent beliefs, I'm not here to virtue signal.
>>736941820The only Saga I could sit down and get through was the remake of Romancing SaGa 2.
>>736909945I hate turd worlders so god damn muchRANGE BAN INDIA RANGE BAN BRAZIL RANGE BAN ISREAL
>>736943367Played that too but it's not a real SaGa game, as much as I hate to say it.Coincidentially that one has a really, really bad localization, lots of completely made up lines.
>>736909757how come black people are never up in arms about the word snigger? It's performative bullshit all the way down.
>>736933897>I'd rather people be afraid to say Voldemort than Voldemort actually being at large.But people were afraid to say it because they were afraid Voldemort was alive and at large.
>>736941820Cool, you nabbed a picture of someone else's steam list. Great proof. But since we established that you don't play these games, I won't accept it.>Of course it isThanks for acknowledging this at least.>a leading class that is also completely out of touch with reality and with clear, dangerous socioeconomic agendasYou are getting well into schizo (culture warrior version) territory at this point.>"being forced to kneel to a status quo" Ah yeah, that's why they insert gender ideology stuff that isn't part of any status quo at all, huh?It's amazing how little you need to think about politics when you just take a work and try to interpret it accurately, but they don't quite seem willing to do that, do they?I do understand, as much as I detest it, that they are beholden to political correctness. But we see them take many liberties entirely of their own volition, and your insistence on pretending they don't does not make it go away.>It wasn't "progressive activist vandals" that turned drugs into bananas or changed God into CreatorIt wasn't then, no. You might remember that we had a brief period between that brand of censorship and the new brand of censorship which is highly progressive in nature. That was a pretty nice time. Shame it didn't last long.>for a problem that has always involved the entire political spectrumIt is progressives doing it now, and you know it. You pretend not to know it, and your refusal to identify it again proves to me that your passion for these games is fickle at best.>you're not familiar with any of the localization issues in any of these games eitherI'm still not validating your stupid purity tests. Until recently I was playing purely in English and I just had to take what I was given at face value. Which is why I hate these fuckers for being so untrustworthy.>pretend a painfully average american localizer as the devil My problem is not with him. It's with the wilful vandals and their defenders.
Is this GCJ anon still playing his "I'm not culture warrior chud" games?
>>736936579Proof it wasn't localized!
>>736944414>someone else's steam list.Someone else's, uh?Let's see what the next cope is.>You are getting well into schizoThe only one with crippling mental issues here is you, especially since you insist with this clown show despite being proven wrong time and again, at least you stopped pretending you play these games though, that's a little step forward.>that's why they insert gender ideology stuff that isn't part of any status quo at allAgain with the fucking pronouns uh? What does that have to do with SaGa anyway? I don't care about what other localizers do with their shit, whether they're pearl clutching soccer moms or genderqueer dangerhairs is irrelevant to me but it clearly isn't to you since you insist so much on blaming "progressives" and bringing this shit into a franchise you'd clearly hate too since it had bi-shit for a very long time.Maybe you should go back to your Fire Emblem threads and clutch your own pearls in there.>It is progressives doing it now, and you know it.It was, is and always will be both you fucking idiot, that is as I said part and parcel of the localization issue which you still adamantly blame on "progressives" while refusing to accept that the process itself is inherently rooted in that cultural imperialism which by design goes both ways, cultures are not monolithical in case you're too young and unemployed to realize this simple fact.>I'm still not validating your stupid purity tests.Because you can't pass them, but you sure do love to put other people through your own half-assed ones.>Until recently I was playing purely in English and I just had to take what I was given at face valueThen what is even your fucking problem? You're fr...oh wait it's yet another serving of bullshit which is why you're still here having a meltdown after getting exposed as a total fucking fraud.I know what your problem is, it's a severe case of not so veiled right wing virtue signalling and SJW-isms, which has nothing to do with games.
>>736942426>I swing my dick on you because you're a fucking duplicitous retard who doesn't actually give a shit about any of these games.No, scum. As we have established - and I'm being serious this time, not facetious - you have zero claim to giving a shit about games when you run defense for their vandals. You are worse than the ridiculous strawman you have created. You abandon the games you supposedly care about to an ideology that wants to twist and butcher them to reflect its delusions. You have the gall to accuse others of being culture warriors when you not only refuse to raise the meekest protest against these vandals, but actively and maliciously assist them. You pretend to care about this subject, and these games, only as a tool to silence those who actually do.>I'm not here to virtue signal.No, you are here to lie. That's much worse.
>>736944251people rarely say it in real life and it's not a word in their vernacular. if it doesn't exist within their immediate vicinity it doesn't exist at all (to them). it's them wanting to lord over others and having their behavior be rewarded for doing so. monkey see monkey do type shit as being offended is an excuse to chimp out. ie. some amateur hand-egg American got upset at an Italian that called him "my friend' in his mother tongue. and because apes have selective hearing he started chimping out due to how similar it sounded to nigger. unfortunately for niggers, no one cares about affirmative action anymore so they are free to ape around about the slavery that never happened to them or their ancestors.
Please dont tell me you argued over this for hours when you haven't posted proof of playing a saga game ever
>>736909648He was already named Riki back in the 90s English release, it's not a decision this guy made. I don't know if they changed it because of the slur back then or just because they thought it sounds like raccoon or something.That said, I don't think "devs take worldwide markets into account more" is a great trend for creative expression. Another way that the creation process in games has been hijacked by industry people disconnected from the games themselves.
>>736945670Also, the SaGa Frontier Remaster was great. One of the few Square Enix remasters I might recommend over the original. Adding Fuse as a main character and other cut content was great.
all localizers need to get cancer and die
>>736909713spbp
>>736910065You missed out
>>736909945Coonskin cap, don't they teach you kids about Davy Crockett anymore?
>>736945763>Retarded nigger that everyone hates seething about people not wanting to work with retarded niggers like him
>>736945436Lie?You claimed to play these games while not being able to substantiate any of that.You attacked a localizer time and again for something he himself did not do and merely made a rather stupid post about what is literally basic localization praxis, the most literal milquetoast shit you can find on fucking twitter, as if he's the fucking devil.You claimed I do not play these games and scrambled to fabricate whatever excuse you could find to try and delegitimize my position to push your political propaganda.You accuse me of "abandoning the games I supposedly care about to an ideology that wants to twists and butcher them" whena) I'm not even american let alone ESL so I don't give a shit about your deranged politics nor do I have a horse in that raceb) I already condemned the localization process as a whole regardless of which side of the political spectrum and/or language you want to talk about, it's like this everywhere, Japan does it as well when it comes to foreign games, no one's innocent herec) I posted several, objective localization issues about multiple games in the series which I directly and explicitly condemnedd) I explicitly said many times I am not on board with a lot of Neil's opinions about the subject matter let alone many of his professional decisions, as much as I WILL defend him for OBJECTIVELY fixing a lot of shit that his predecessors did wrong when he does thatAnd you, a stupid motherfucker who doesn't play shit and has nothing to his name accuse ME of being a liar? Of being a vandal who doesn't care about these games?I have put more hours in a single SaGa game (playing it in both languages) than you will ever have in a JRPG you little EOP rat.Fuck off and leave my games alone.
>>736945996
>>736909648>クーンIt's Kuhn. Like Thomas Samuel Kuhn (トーマス・クーン). Fucking retard.
>>736946043>You attacked a localizer time and again for something he himself did not do and merely made a rather stupid post about what is literally basic localization praxis, the most literal milquetoast shit you can find on fucking twitter, as if he's the fucking devil.Yeah, of all the things to complain about, this is pretty lame.Anyway, based SaGa defender putting the culture war tourists in their place. I've got to finish the remaster sometimes, SaGa Frontier is probably the RPG I've replayed the most.
>>736944627yes apparently
>>736926951My 4th grade teacher gave me this book after she said I couldn't read Goosebumps for my independent reading project. I ended up loving it, one of the best books I read as a kid.
>>736945185>Let's see what the next cope is.You absolute retard. You expect good faith when you give none? You decided from your very first post that nobody here plays the games in question. I'm not going to accept that you do no matter what proof you show me. You deserve the bad faith that you give.>The only one with crippling mental issues here is youSure, mister "cultural imperialism" and "localizers should use their position to fight". Absolutely not an ideologue though! Culture just sort of got itself into a strange, warlike pickle all on its own, tee hee!>into a franchise you'd clearly hate too since it had bi-shit for a very long timeProject more, faggot. I've been clear from the start that what I want accurate-as-possible translations with idpol left out. If bisexuality is in the source material, it's fine.>What does that have to do with SaGa anyway?It has to do with the current state of localizations. Are you going to pretend not to understand that?>It was, is and always will be both you fucking idiotAnd yet you relentlessly try to discredit those who mention it. Odd.>the process itself is inherently rooted in that cultural imperialismIn its current form it is rooted in a political activism that seeks to upset and re-engineer the status quo. When we inevitably get back to censorship that seeks to preserve it, I'll be blaming conservatives. "BUT BOTH SIDES" at this point is nothing but a fucking distraction, and a deliberate one from you.>Then what is even your fucking problem? I told you what my problem is. I want to be able to trust the accuracy of what I am reading. But that's not happening any time soon, so I'll learn the runes. For all the good it does now that the PROGRESSIVE activists are changing shit at the source.Which you curiously are not bothered by.>not so veiled right wing virtue signallingWeird that you keep insisting "I want accurate translations" is a right wing position. I guess you're opposed to that then? Big surprise.
>>736946140Funny, but official art already used Coon. See >>736913564
>>736909648This is the literal most understandable localization change I've seen in years lmao.
>>736946614Yeah, and it's not even a modern one. The Twitter guy OP posted had nothing to do with the choice.
>>736909648is OK, i gonna pirate the game and mod the fan translation
>>736946580So what? Japanese romanizations don't mean shit and never have.
I wish I can get a JP copy of Romancing SaGa 2 Remastered. Too bad that I'm stuck with the US version.
>>736946802The romanization they had in mind was not Kuhn. Coon also makes sense, considering he has a big fluffy raccoon tail.Thoughts?
>>736946640And that makes me wrong how?
>>736946848I was agreeing with you, dillweed.
>>736946847That is not a racoon tail. クーン has several prefectly valid romanizations including the more literal Kuun. It was never an issue.
>>736946043>You claimed to play these games while not being able to substantiate any of that.Oh, I can, but I'm not obsessed with swinging my dick around. I have nothing to prove to someone like you.>You attacked a localizer time and againNo. I attacked you for your dishonesty in this thread.>You claimed I do not play these gamesYou chose to go down that road.>whatever excuse you could find to try and delegitimize my position to push your political propagandaThat sounds extremely familiar!>You accuse me of "abandoning the games I supposedly care about to an ideology that wants to twists and butcher them"You do.>nor do I have a horse in that raceFunny you came in here to sperg out about right wing politics then.>I already condemned the localization process as a wholeAnd I thanked you for it.>leave my games aloneI want games left alone too you absolute fucking moron, so why do you think coming in here and trying to shout down everyone who also wants that is a sound strategy?Your actions are so at odds with your stated intent I simply cannot believe you.
>>736946937It's a lummox tail, yes.
>>736946937>it was never an issueIf you don't want "Coon," you'd have to change the art displaying the word Coon too. So it's at least partially an issue you'd have to deal with.
>>736946551>You decided from your very first post that nobody here plays the games in question.And I was fucking right, which is why I maintain that position.I gave you all the chances in the world to prove me wrong but you insist on proving me right.>Absolutely not an ideologue though!You have no idea what ideology is or entails, saying that localizers should stand up against the praxis of the practice, which is inherently tied to cultural imperialism, isn't a contradictory stance and it's something that would directly benefit somebody who supposedly wants "accurate-as-possible translations".But you're too stupid and hypocritical to understand it which is why you keep lashing out like a headless chicken and keep calling me names despite the fact that I'm literally advocating for what you supposedly desire so much.>It has to do with the current state of localizations.Where and when did any of these games have pronoun fuckery?>And yet you relentlessly try to discredit those who mention it.I haven't done anything of the sort, mostly because I'm the only one here who isn't politically affiliated to anyone and is actually taking a coherent and articulated position on the matter, by bringing up not just my proven knowledge on this specific series, but by exposing frauds like you who are only in it for the /pol/ psyop bullshit.>In its current form it is rooted in a political activism that seeks to upset and re-engineer the status quo.What fucking re-engineering? You have been complaining about this shit for over a decade, IT IS THE STATUS QUO!Which is why you're here, in a thread that has been done multiple times, to repeat the same tired nonsense.>Oh, I can, but I'm not obsessed with swinging my dick around.No you can, you're a fraud and a clownYou went onboard on the idpol hate train without mentioning anything about the games themselves or the work Neil did about them, you're a fucking limp dicked cuck living vicariously on the net, grow up.
>>736946180And the samefagging continues, as he desperately pretends he has support.
>>736947093Nah, I just also want you culture wars dipshits to stay away from one of my favorite games. So he has my genuine support.
>>736946905this is /v/. you were clearly trying to start a fight and I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you.
>>736947093>Anyone who exposes me as a retard is the same personturn off your PC and go outside
>>736926601>Davvyyyyyyy Davy Crocket, King of the wild frontierGod what a goated song
>>736947080Post said art released in the west.
>>736909945Then actually read books or go outside, ya fucking sheltered asshole.
>>736947289What's your point?
>>736947321>the art would be a problem in the west!>>was it actually released in the west>uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhh what's your pointYeah that's what I fucking thought bitch
>>736947362>>736947289Tourist EXPOSED. The art is in the game, bro, and they did have to change it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whzPZGXv1RE5:55Thanks for proving to us all that you haven't played the game. GG no rehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOz2TSbmmhw
SaGaGODS win again
>>736947418>and that's why they had to rename him RikiRetard
>>736947418>they did have to change it.why, did the SPLC or ADL bitch at them and threaten to sue? if they HAD to change something, then the instigator of that change is the problem, not the translation. you twat.
>>736947546They had to change the artwork if they changed the name. Whether they changed it to Riki or something like Kuhn. Ergo>So it's at least partially an issue you'd have to deal with.is true of any changes despite >クーン has several prefectly valid romanizations including the more literal Kuun. It was never an issue.
>>736909648There is a person named "carrie coon" and she didn't change her name, this guy is full of shit
>>736947193I don't think you have the guts.
>>736947502It's an easy victory since only 10% of the posters on nu-/v/ play vidya and there's even less people who actually play SaGa.>>736947546>Oh yeah why didn't they change a game's localization in 1997 AFTER the game was out and somebody complained?Nigger, do you even realize what you're saying
>>736947193>>736947658I could kick both your asses.
>>736947658yeah no shit.
>>736947636>>736947673WHY did they have to change the name? Think carefully now.
>>736912931>>736911968
is this the retard that localized Sparking as Glimmering?
>>736947709https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GGa0dBYdkc
>>736947636Modifying an image to match the translation isn't an issue, faggot. It's literally the basics of translating a game. You're retarded.
>>736926593When I found him in the sequel I thought he was a zombie because of his skin color
>>736947773>>736947841Missing the point. Anon was revealed to not know that the art was featured in the game.
Romancing SaGa 3 > Romancing SaGa 2SaGa Frontier 1 >> SaGa Frontier 2Agree or disagree?
>>736909945Clearly you've never been coon hunting
>>736921083It's Bracky now. They changed it not too long ago.
>>736947805No, Glimmering was a term the got standardized with the original release of Minstrel Song in 2005, Unlimited was the last game in the series that used Sparking.If you're having some sort of mandela effect here's the original manuals, go check the battle sections:https://ia600305.us.archive.org/7/items/SonyPlaystation2Manuals_201812/Unlimited%20Saga%20%28USA%29.pdfhttps://ia600305.us.archive.org/7/items/SonyPlaystation2Manuals_201812/Romancing%20SaGa%20%28USA%29.pdf>>736947989I strongly prefer RS2 to RS3 as much as the latter is more polished in some parts, SF2 was kinda weak but it still has its strong identity and it's too different from SF1 for me to compare them directly, I like both for different reasons.
I think a more egregious example is with the elemental rings in Romancing SaGa 2 remake. It states that it has resistance to their respective elements, but the wiki listed their effects as having regenerative effects when the holder is in leylines respective to the element of the ring. It did not say anything about having elemental resistance (In the remastered version, they do have elemental resistances).
>>736909648Coon was a common surname But I hardly think that has anything to do with localisation issuesName changes are not that big of a gripe in the plethora of localisation problems
>>736948127>SF2 was kinda weak but it still has its strong identity and it's too different from SF1 for me to compare them directly, I like both for different reasons.That's fair. I don't dislike the game really, it was just disappointing initially how different it was. It's still a good game, and one with beautiful art.
>>736909648I think Coon is a stupid name for japanese character. What they're calling him Coon-Kun in the original script?
>>736910782I don't have a problem with coon, but Cartman is not the example to use, considering he's basically whatever-ist against everyone and everything that isn't himself or his cat.I think parker and stone are too pussified to it nowadays, but old cartman would certainly have ran around calling himself niggerman if he found a reason to, and definitely would not have hestitated to label someone else that.
>>736948313Yeah, it's a common opinion.SF2 was deliberately made to be different from the rest of the games as the "story focused" entry that wasn't too weird, it was controversial back then but it quickly grew on people regardless because the characters and atmosphere were just that good.
>>736924315He's some kind of fox creature
>>736947906You're trying to create a debate that doesn't exist. It's sad.
>>736947089>I gave you all the chances in the world to prove me wrongYes, I could have fetched my discs and carts a long time ago but that would validate your ridiculous posturing. I would prefer you know that you are not worth the effort.> despite the fact that I'm literally advocating for what you supposedly desire so much.And I am advocating for what you supposedly desire, but it hasn't stopped you lashing out at me, has it? Hypocrite.>Where and when did any of these games have pronoun fuckery?"These games", meaning if I give you a non-SaGa example you'll act be a fucking pedant about it?>I haven't done anything of the sortThat is all you have done since your first post.>I'm the only one here who isn't politically affiliated to anyone"RARRR GRRR FUCKING BIGOTED RIGHT WINGERS"Yeah, so unaffiliated.>coherent and articulated position on the matterScreeching that everyone who has an opinion you don't like is a lying fraud isn't coherent and articulated.>but by exposing frauds like you who are only in it for the /pol/ psyop bullshit.Wanting non-idpol translations is /pol/ psyop shit, uh huh. So fraudulent. >You have been complaining about this shit for over a decade, IT IS THE STATUS QUO!Bad word choice, perhaps. They are attempting to normalize their ideological rot and embed it in society.>You went onboard on the idpol hate train without mentioning anything about the games themselves or the work Neil did about themI don't give a shit about Neil, you moron. How many times do I have to say it? I think changing Coon to Riki is stupid as fuck but I don't blame him for it. I am slightly concerned that he seems on board with political correct alterations in general but I've been talking about translations more broadly the entire time.
>>736948565I wonder if Kawazu felt some pressure to do a more story-oriented game after Square had all these hits with FF.
Do you think translating Uncle Tako as Uncle Taco was originally a mistake or intentional? They kept it in the remaster. Either one rolls off the tongue nicer than "Uncle Octopus" I guess.
>>736947157>I just also want you culture wars dipshits to stay away from one of my favorite gamesWhat exactly do you think I am going to do to it, except play and enjoy it?
>>736948728You'll do nothing to it, of course. But I get a little bit of disgust seeing it used as a prop by you clowns.
>>736948657It was made because of that, allegedly, they wanted to try making a SaGa game that focused on mostly straightforward narrative for a change and see how that went.The gameplay part didn't really hit the mark but the story, music and characters were greatly appreciated, to this day Gustave tops the male popularity pools and is one of the more popular main characters.
>>736914150These things are awesome, we need more cat threads and I say that unironically
>>736948893>"I want games translated accurately and without political bullshit, and I lament that Coon had his name changed due to political correctness" is not using it as a prop and I really don't know where you got that impression. It's been a while since I played but I like the game too. I struggled a bit with replaying the same stuff over and over as different characters, so I got more out of SaGa Frontier 2 personally, but the characters themselves and their different mechanics are really cool.
>>736948893>>736949190Fuck, I greentexted it
>>736909648I am on my seventh Tsunanori playthrough and it's been bothering me since my first: How do you say "heckin' cripes" in japanese? thanks.
MEGAMAN is actually ROCKMAN
>>736909945Underage city boy
>>736950076As far as old localization decisions go, we've got to agree Protoman was a step down from Blues. But Blues only works when he's named Rockman.
>>736927490>popcorn readingWhen we did that, all the kids would jockey for position to be the one who got to say the cusswords, especially nigger These days they'd just censor the book and put the kids on a list if they ever glanced towards it in the library.
>>736950218*Proto Man with a space
>>736950218>Blues>red
>>736949568Tsunanori speaks with a thick kansaiben which is sorta hard to translate properly in english, the various "cripes" and "bud" in the localization don't have a direct equivalent most of the times, they're just there to give him a similar country bumpkin inflection.Similarly, Bonnie was given a texan inflection because of her backstory and design, same thing happens with Diva who speaks with a scottish accent that is simply not in the japanese script because the character is a fantasy scottish Miku Hatsune who also sings Auld Lang Syne as part of her plotline.
>he's still defending his director and localization
>>736950385Wouldn't a southern accent be more fitting
>>736950218>no Rockman>no Blues>but they changed Forte and Gospel to Bass and TrebleAt least Roll escaped unscathed...
>>736909648>Write it Kuhn, Kun, Kuun, whateverWow, problem solvedPic related made me laugh but I wasn't going to cry about it online (Tembo means elephant in Swahili, but it means dick in Guarani)Newsflash: Languages have these 'funny' incidents all the time. Big whoop.
>>736944251>tfw sniggering at niggling niggards
>Coon>(ethnic slur) extremely offensive name for a Black personWhat isn't an extremely offensive name for a (CAPITAL B) black person these days?
>>736945589>/v/-We don't play games, We just bitch about them and off topic shit
>>736950601It's what they went for, allegedly.It's not a terrible choice but at the same time they lean into it too hard in the same way modern Dragon Quest localizations lean too hard into specific cultural stereotypes, and EB has loads of text so it's easy to find it annoying after a while.Diva is probably the one who suffers the most from this because after her memory wipe she loses her original bubbly personality and she speaks in a very robotic manner while the localization keeps her old personality with the scottish inflection after the wipe, which doesn't really make sense as she speaks in a completely different manner, and again Bonnie has a similar issue to some degree.There's a couple of characters who are definitely very inconsistent with their original text, some of Boudica's lines for instance are completely made up which irks me because the localization sorta changes her character at times to be less about honour and it's a shame since she's supposed to reference the historical Boudica, in the localization she often comes off as a confrontational Karen rather than a disgraced warrior queen, Ivar is also a bit too cartoony for my taste although all pirate coded characters in the series have been localized like that, in fact I'm surprised Azure dodged that fate somehow.
>>736945589I will continue to not post proof, because a faggot opening with nuclear levels of bad faith and then doubling and tripling down on it doesn't deserve the validation
>>736950385I chalked Tsunanori's laid back personality to his backstory and the Emerald Wave, but now it seems that it's not so much about being laid back as simply having an accent nobody else in Alternate Japan seems to share.I think I get why, but that foreshadowing doesn't make it into the localization.
>>736909648>faggot brags about being antijapanesequite tiresome really
>>736909648I hate bad localizations as much as the next guy but this hardly constitutes "censorship". I doubt the Japanese character designers set out to use an offensive racial slur when they named this character. Localizations are only bad when they go against the intent of the original work, imo. >>736909757That's the most common use of coon, at least in America. Most people will say raccoon instead of coon. Maine coons don't come up in conversation often for the average person unless you own one.
>>736909648i don't see why he can't just say it's short for raccoon or something. but also this isn't much different from the sanitization of 90s/200ps 4kids dubs. translation has always been a mess.
>>736910513Oh no. They really are like this.Antiwhites are fucking vile filth and should be flayed.
>>736909945This retard doesnt even know who Davy Crockett is
>>736951723The other people in Miyako have the same accent as Tsunanori, nearly all the Miyako natives have the same kansaiben inflection because that region is styled after Osaka, just like Avalon NPCs have a brit inflection since it's a world styled after London, or how all Mare Nostrum natives outside of Azure and Hero/Yunchang talk like pirates.
>>736951761>this hardly constitutes "censorship".They changed his name to be politically correct. That's a form of censorship in my book. And particularly stupid too.Is it really that hard to not validate the kind of retards who go looking for trouble? Innocent shit like a cute monster character named "Coon" should be allowed to exist. Changing it is like admitting it's bad, when it's not.
>>736951807>i don't see why he can't just say it's short for raccoon or somethingThe people they changed this for wouldn't care. They'd be out for blood regardless, even back in the late 90s.
>>736910513>>736951898What else has he said/done? Because here he's just talking about a change that was already made in 1997.
>>736913637>so proudly antiwhite and antijapanese you cheer the destruction of artalways.I mean ALWAYSbrutally kill antiwhite traitors.Do not allow yourself to suffer their faggotry.
>>736952016>heckin' cripesIt may be accurate or it may not be but that just sounds jarring in english
>>736928205leftoid accusing normal people of his own tactics award
>>736920130You can refuse to buy the games. That's good.But you absolutely need to call out these devs as antiwhite or antijapanese.On twitter, on their youtuber, send them emails, etc.Doing literally nothing is a losing move.
>>736952048>Innocent shit like a cute monster character named "Coon" should be allowed to exist. Changing it is like admitting it's bad, when it's not.It's like you don't understand what the point of localization is. Are you autistic by any chance?
>>736924315>You guys realize that Riki is a young boy, right#NotMyHeropon
>>736952570It really is like that 100% of the time.
>>736928205>antiwhite cucktakuNo thank you xim.
>>736952650The point of localization is to censor things, yeah.
>>736951201>some of Boudica's lines for instance are completely made upProof?
>>736949190You having a milder position doesn't change the fact that this thread is full of culture-war crap. Don't pretend that's the only thing being said and reacted to in this thread.
>>736952650>It's like you don't understand what the point of localization isThe point is to shit up a work bya) removing all references to the original culture, to cater to retardsand b) erasing anything that might be remotely offensive, to cater to wokescoldsAm I close?
>>736909846It's a brand of cheese
>>736931721It's about control anon.Shaming tactics, and control.Those in power NEED the antiwhite narrative to never be countered or resisted. So anyone saying nigger or anything close can and should get lynched to keep the fear antiwhiteism drives into Whites flowing without issue.
I like translation notes
>>736952919I can't speak for every post in the thread, but you and that other guy jumped to hard conclusions and projected them onto everybody.You might want to consider that even the more "culture war"-ish posts are just people frustrated that localizations are so politically aligned now, and just want their games unmolested like I do.Like, I'm pretty sure nobody here, whatever their other opinions, is advocating for inserting right wing politics into translations. We all just want to enjoy our games.
Why are there people who defend poor translation? What do they gain from supporting it?
>>736933897>this if you actually lived through genuine real life altering racism. Imagine being passed up for a job or a university just because of your skin tone. Imagine getting the shit beat out of you walking home just because of your color.So...shit Whites deal with EVERY FUCKING DAY?!How about all the hush crimes the media creates by not covering the beatings, the rapes, the murders, etc nonwhites perform on Whites? DAILY! We see every fucking day on social media.How about the fact EVERY company, every college, every sport is engaging in diversity firings and diversity exclusions to Whites, especially White males! AND THEY BRAG ABOUT IT WITH PRIDE!How about all the politicians and NGOs that GLEEFULLY gloat that Whites are being biologically erased and removed FROM OUR OWN NATIONS?!Fuck. You.You dumbass fuck tard blind antiwhite scum shitter.Now go on and deny actual reality like the piece of shit I know you are.
>>736953174They're the best. You get a proper translation and you get to learn something too.
>>736927930>thinking this was a positive thingBlacks will say it's not then create the exact same character for their hood drama or hoodtoons, half of whose lines are "nigga"
>>736934473There is no such thing as '''''White privledge''' absolutely go fuck yourself you antiwhite sleezebag.This is OUR nation, made by our ancestors FOR US!It is OUR INHERITENCE! We do in fact have complete right to inherit what our forefathers crafted for us.People are beyond fed up with your mealy mouth bitch made excuses to push White erasure. Die in a ditch.
>>736935224>antiwhites pretending to be retarded to make discussion and debhate impossible award winnerReally going to ignore EVERY fucking college, company, sports league OPENLY SAYING they want less Whites?Of course you are. You niggers thrive of your feigned ignorance and love this practice of diversity exclusions.Rot in Hell.
>>736952387The heckin' is too much, yeah.It's not used inappropriately though so I guess it's not terrible, all in all Tsunanori is handled decently considering the original script is impossible to translate properly, I have a lot more criticism for other parts of the script.>>736952894Some of her battle lines like her on-kill quote got changed into something I don't exactly remember right now, but the original line is roughly "Don't have you have any honour?" and got changed into something completely different.There's quite a few changes like that for some characters which I can't really explain since they're not offensive or anything, Shinobu Kato also got a few battle lines changed in the same way which do change his character as in the JP script he boasts about his role as a Squire in nearly all of them, and some of those lines got changed into something completely unrelated in the localized script, it's been almost a year since I last played so I can't exactly recall the localized lines.Another thing I really dislike is how some parts of Miyako's lore got translated in a really bad way, like Ayakashi being turned into "Fey" which is horribly inconsistent because they did keep other japanese stuff like the Sarubobo as is, or Ichizo's title "hitokiri" being localized as Lifetaker for some reason despite being commonly and traditionally translated as Manslayer for decades especially in pop culture.It's really frustrating because some parts of the script are actually surprisingly accurate and one of the good things Neil did for the series was enforcing the standardization of a lot of things like technique/spell/item names that were constantly shuffled around and retranslated all the time into different things with each game, but there's also this constant series of huge internal inconsistencies in the script which make no sense at all.
>>736936092>"fuck that jungle monkey, I'd rather sell the company to Satan than hire a nigger to work in this office, always sitting next to me and knowing the safe combination."shit that never happened for 5,000 Alex.No one cares about your antiwhite delusions you worthless cur.>>736936104Anon, stop being a dickless cuck.Purge the word '''racist''' from your lexicon and start calling these vermin antiwhites.They HATE you because you are White.Call them out for it.LEARN YOU TWAT! 80 years of 'democrats are da real raycist hurrr' HAS FAILED!They are antiwhite. Name them as such.
>>736936130i completely forgot to buy Emerald Beyond. how is it?
>>736953202Nobody said every post is doing it. The point is that this thread is using the game as a springboard for culture war posting, and you keep trying to wash that into a neutral "we just want unmolested games" stance.>we all just want to enjoy our gamesA lot of people in this thread want to talk about "antiwhite narratives" more than about SaGa or any other game.
>>736953602If you liked SSG you'll like EB, it's basically SSG++ but instead of having the high fantasy setting of the Romancing games it goes back to the GB SaGa/Frontier setting.If you hated SSG you'll probably hate EB as well though, imo its most striking feature is the new progression system, it's pretty incredible but also absurdly autistic as you'd expect from a SaGa game.
>>736937114>Remember that poor Ukranian girl that got stabbed to death on the subway?Iryna Zaretska.There's also Molly TibbetsAustin Metcaf.Cannon Hannitamong thousands more. And the media wants these victims of antiwhite hatred to be forgotten through their pulling of hush crimes.
>>736942426>trying to shame those who speak/read English as somehow badOh hey, cool.You are antiwhite.Kill yourself too.
>>736953587I know, but the temptation to rub their nose in their hypocrisy is always so strong
>>736953637A lot of people here aren't even interested in how games should be localized, or in games at all. That's clearly secondary to pushing their narratives about race.
>>736913772Because xhe considers anyone who doesn't agree with xir politics to be a loser.
>>736909648Compromise: change his name to Mooncricket
>>736953875A lot of people in here aren't interested in games at all
>>736953875I think people are just upset that games aren't being translated accurately. It's not that hard to understand. EB is a shit game, don't get me wrong, but it deserves a fair shake.
>>736953875>>736954010It's a common cancer across the site. They just create a flimsy excuse to start posting their propaganda.
>>736953637>A lot of people in this thread want to talk about "antiwhite narratives" more than about SaGa or any other game.Eh, it grew out of the topic. I guess I can see why you reached the conclusion, but I don't believe the game was cynically used as a springboard, the racism stuff just came up because the change was motivated by racial politics/political correctness.
Why did they give him a Japanese name anyway
>>736954068Why is EB a shit game?
>>736952160someone else posted him changing characters yelling their attack names...a very common Japanese trope...to completely irrelevant one liners that make no sense.Then another showed him changing a one word exclamation into like half a paragraph of shock.He's a faggot.
>>736919876you are on the same team as the troonslators, you're just probably too dumb to know it.
>>736953875When the people localizing the games are fanatic culture warriors (not accusing Neil Broadley of this, to be clear), some overlap is inevitable.
>>736954068>>736954117A lot of posters in threads like this clearly just use the topic as a vehicle for race-politics posting.
>>736954125Low production values, combined with a strange art direction and narrative. The game genuinely reminds of me of one of those trippy ADV games you'd play on the PS1/Dreamcast when visiting Japan.
>>736953835>but the temptation to rub their nose in their hypocrisy is always so strongIt is, and you can do it.Call. Them. Antiwhite.That word DOES expose their actual intentions and seething hatred. It does completely call out what they desire.The erasure of White norms, values, and ethics. To rewrite White history and excellence.Just brand them as antiwhites who are ravenous for White erasure.It exposes and shames them more than anything else.Plus enrages the jannies as a bonus
Wait. Why the fuck are we blaming him for a change made in the fucking 90s when people were less sensitive about this stuff in general? Like huh?Sometimes a name just comes off poorly in another language. This is the same dumb shit that got tom let go from Xnsneed we he was autistic about keeping a KKK name in
>>736954129So at the very least he's guilty of taking obnoxious creative liberties.That's pretty common now, sadly.
>>736954236Some overlap is inevitable, sure. But in threads like this it obviously stops being just overlap and becomes the main thing a lot of people are here for.
>>736924781Look up Stephen K. Amos' bit on Coon cheese
>>736954251Maybe, but that doesn't mean you should dismiss the claims. Translational accuracy is very important and Neil strongly believes in changing dialogue whenever the player wouldn't notice.
The antiwhite retard anon is a known schizo from the famitu threads. He also gets banned all the time. Just ignore him and mods will take care of it.
>>736954279You're all right, anon.
>>736953875I'm 100% interested in games being translated accurately.I don't want dogshit vile cunts adding antiwhite, or antijapanese, ideology to games when none existed to begin with.Tainting the art someone else made is abhorrent.>but what if an accurate translation still had antiwhite dogma in it because the original work had it1. I'm not buying it then.2. I'll call out the company that made it for being immoral.It still isn't your job to alter the message of the translated work. Die in a ditch for your what-aboutisms.
>>736954320I guess that's a fair assessment.
>>736954326I didn't say every claim should be dismissed. I said a lot of posters in threads like this are obviously using the topic for race-politics posting, which is a separate point.Hell, I agree with wanting accurate translations with minimal changes. Don't pretend you don't see what I'm actually pointing at by changing the subject.
>>736954129Ah yes, the Viktor shitpost of the previous copypasted threads.Fun thing the OP and you conveniently leave out about that because again, none of you actually play these games:Neil localized both the old remaster and the remake, and guess what? The old remaster has a much more literal translation where that part of Viktor's dialogue is 100% accurate to the JP script where he just yells the technique name.The remake, which was made to pander to a wider audience rather than the original fans, changed the localization to please said wider audience, the same man did two entirely different localizations and you know which game was way more successful and well received? The less accurate one.Turns out you faggots don't actually fucking care about quality localizations nor about the people who work on them because again, if you actually played these games you'd know about this detail which left actual fans who play these games (very few admittedly) very confused.>>736954252Okay so you didn't actually play it and are just shitposting about it, many such cases.
>>736954306Coon is one thing because it isn't just a slur, but KKK is only associated with one thing in the US and I still do not know why out of all the hills he could choose to die on he decided it was the one that they obviously would not want to have.
>>736924781>It got changed recently to "Cheer".Fucking pathetic.
>>736954426Nah, it's more like you're trying to change the subject by taking the opinions of a few schizos and making it seem like a lot of people here aren't talking about games.
>>736954308Which is why you need to actually reach out to the main branch and demand them to fix this shit.I don't know Capcom's, Square's, etc, but Nintendo's ishttps://support-jp.nintendo.com/app/ask_opinionSo if you are actually upset about forced changes in localizations use this link to tell them. Along with other complaints you have.>>736954364I try to get anons to ditch the old methods that fail so we can see success.Following a path of White Wellbeing WILL win. We just need unify and stop having petty infighting over 'muh europoors' 'muh amerimutts' muh leafcucks' etc. We are all suffering antiwhite dogma. It only ends when we all say no to it. Also the hot pockets suck dog dicks so fuck them, the fucking treasonous pieces of shit.
>>736954589Most people in here do not talk about games, in fact.Most people in this very thread not only aren't talking about games, when they do they talk about games they have never fucking played.
>appeal to popularity
>>736954469>and you know which game was way more successful and well received? The less accurate one.Disappointing but not surprising.>if you actually played these gamesNTA, but I play the originals when I can. I'm not a fan of remakes or remasters, and a big reason for that is I expect a lot of deviation from the source material, both in the remaking and localizating. So it is very possible that I can play these games (the originals) and not know those details.
>>736909648>Coon can only be used in reference to blacksInteresting headcanon localizertard.>>736909846Damn, there actually are retards like you.
>>736954589You can minimize it as "a few schizos," but at least you're acknowledging that it's happening now.
>>736954615>So if you are actually upset about forced changes in localizations use this link to tell them.I tend to assume it'll get ignored, but I guess trying is better than not trying.
>>736954469>The remake, which was made to pander to a wider audience rather than the original fans, changed the localization to please said wider audience, the same man did two entirely different localizations and you know which game was way more successful and well received? The less accurate on>i'm such a super uber duper fan of SaGa>but i LOOOOOVE when it gets shit on, degraded, and bastardized!Kill yourself.Absolutely, seriously, 100% genuinely.Kill. Yourself.>being so dishonest you are trying to pretend that people bought the game over the fact the call out when special moves are used changed>rather than just a general growth in how many people play JRPGS, plus number of systems the newest bastardized remake came out on.You need to find a bridge and do a fucking flip.Why do you even pretend to be a fan of these games of you hold such distain for them?Nigger.
>>736954642You're such a disingenuous person. What, were you on the dev team or something? Frankly, it doesn't matter if anyone's played a single minute of any of the games mentioned. What matters is if the translation was accurate to the original, which in many cases, it was not.
Reminder that "Your opponent's reaction is your true action" and the fag bitching about politics is an explicit part of the strategy of politicizing translations. The entire point is to be unreasonable to provoke a response so they can use the response as justification. The entire attempt at calling out people for the political talk is to attempt to remove dissent from their actions.
>>736954759>but i LOOOOOVE when it gets shit on, degraded, and bastardized!Examples of that happening?
>>736954720You're just trying to distract from what is a shitty translation.
>>736954469>The remake, which was made to pander to a wider audience rather than the original fans, changed the localization to please said wider audiencewhy didnt the original jp script pander to wider audience the same way? did they make a mistake?
>>736954749Maybe, but anons got involved with operation rainfall2.0 early last year and Nintendo seemed to slap around NoA just a tiny bit.It's never pointless.SOMEONE in Nintendo will pick up antijapanese or Japanese erasure if used in a complaint form. It could start a few discussions internally and make change in time.
>>736954803No, it's just people openly turning the thread into racewar garbage and then pretending anyone who points that out is the real problem.
>>736954816you are literally defending a classic beloved Japanese trope being shit on, removed, and replaced for some antiwhite, antijapanese, tranny lover's irrelevant nonsensical head cannon...all because it sold more.While having no proof that the change influenced sales.You dishonest shit
>>736954469The remake sold more because it was 3D and it was (arguably still is) a fucking grim era for JRPGs. The translation itself is a non factor unless it was fucking babelfish tier bad and nonsensical
>>736954856Shit dude, I'm impressed. You really know your stuff, you have genuine passion for both your culture and these games, and you're not afraid take an uncompromising stand. We need more like you.
>>736954759I don't, I was one of the few people who were pointing out how bad the remake was since day 1, and got accused of samefagging and pushing an agenda.>>being so dishonest you are trying to pretend that people bought the game over the fact the call out when special moves are used changedBut they did, people absolutely fucking loved the Romancing SaGa 2 remake despite being a travesty even outside of the marvel tier localization.Especially here I should add, it was literally Tales of Arise all over again, a bunch of "long time fans" who never played the series being absolutely giddy about it and even calling it "the first truly good SaGa" too.Besides, I am a fan of these games which is why I'm actually talking about it and their localizations, unlike you who are here to push an agenda.>>736954848SaGa's writing is pretty damn dry and western people historically complained about that and the games supposedly having "no story".This is also a game from 1993 we're talking about so the remake spicing up and expanding (sort of, they actually also took out a lot of stuff) the original script in some parts was also a given, the localization just added more on that to please the western audience who normally shits on these games.>>736954961That's a theory with absolutely no ground to stand on given the godawful Final Fantasy pixel remasters sold millions.Sure, the new Genshin Impact 3D art direction did some heavy lifting but the truth is people don't really give a shit about SaGa one way or another unless it's sanitized and turned into something completely different, which is exactly why the RS2 remake got so much attention and good reviews compared to the other 3D SaGa games too, the game got completely repurposed even outside of the localized script which is the real crime.
>>736955151I really hope this isn't sarcasm because if so. That's quite pathetic of you.But if not, thank you. Trying to get /v/, /a/, /int/ and /int/ to act better. and it's been slowly successful over the last 18 months or so. Jannies and mods can eat my ass though.
>>736954928I'm not the guy you were replying to earlier, I was seriously asking. Is the only example the attack name thing?
>>736955229>godawful Final Fantasy pixel remasters sold millions.It's final fantasy, You could label a bag of dogshit FF and it will sell. It's like using pokemon as a case for your argument the problems with the remake do run deep but that's because it was dumbed down for the "modern audience"
>>736945763I know it sounds shitty, but acting is art and it's fair to recruit talent based only on "vibes." I'm sorry if that's too politically incorrect for you
>>736955276I hate /pol/ so much bros
>>736954252>Low production values, combined with a strange art direction and narrative. So, a SaGa game.
>>736955320If you're a cinematic director and you keep choosing "talent" who do a terrible fucking job, maybe "vibes" aren't the way to go.
>>736955296Most of Square Enix's remasters are pretty weak. The pixel remasters are at least nicer than shit like the Steam/mobile version of FFVI they did.I still prefer the originals and hate how everybody uses screenshots from pixel remasters now when discussing the games.
>>736955229No one buys a game based on the translation other than people who want correct translationsA translation being good or bad, original or a rewrite, has never affected what the average person buys
>>736955229You are dumb as a sack of rocks if you think any new fans brought in realize how the translation was bastardized, or it influenced them to buy it, and not just a general upwards growth in those who buy JRPGs after 10-20 years.You are conflating irrelevant data points.>muh agendaYuh. I'll openly state I'm here to get anons to wake up and stand against antijapanese ideology. Get fucking bent over it, if that upsets you.Getting these companies to shun and shut out antijapanese dogma means their instill a better work environment for their employees, make better products, actually put care and effort into selecting who does the translations and checking to see if its accurateWhich all leads to better games, manga, anime, etc being made and shipped both to Japan and the West.>t..the changes are good...!>it appeals to low brow retards who never liked the IP to begin withAbsolutely fuck this mentality. You piss off old fans doing this, and any newcomers are fleeting at best. You can make a modern game that's highly successful while only selling .75-2mil copies. The series will gain natural, perhaps slow, growth as more learn and look into it.
>>736955290Not him but no, the remake has plenty of very liberal changes in the localization to make it more dramatic, a lot of lines are entirely made up.>>736955496>No one buys a game based on the translationExactly, because the people who want "correct translations" just learn the goddamn language since there's no such thing as a correct translation if you're an actual purist.Nobody actually fucking cares, most of the retards in here don't even fucking know japanese or any language other than english so they can't tell shit, it's all performative bullshit.
>>736955356seethe other it. You literally can't escape politics. So at least the products you consume should have a positive uplifting message, not poison and demoralizing ones.
>>736955276Nah, not sarcasm. I admire your focus and precision. I've been bitching impotently about this stuff for a long time, but you're a man on a mission and you know what you're doing. Godspeed.
>>736955229>SaGa's writing is pretty damn dry and western people historically complained about that and the games supposedly having "no story". This is also a game from 1993 we're talking about so the remake spicing up and expanding (sort of, they actually also took out a lot of stuff) the original script in some parts was also a given, the localization just added more on that to please the western audience who normally shits on these games.damn this saga series sounds awful. why isnt the localization team making their own game since they're clearly way better than the japs they work for?
>>736955605>everything is political!Damn, they don't call you guys the "woke right" for nothing."You can't escape politics" doesn't mean politics should be the main thing people drag every thread back to, or that media should be judged mainly by whether it affirms your preferred ideology.
>>736955356The guy you're talking to seems to actually have a strong passion for games though, so it's interesting that you're using this image (that you happened to have on hand) to insinuate he doesn't care about games.You seem to do that a lot, in fact.
>>736955532>You are dumb as a sack of rocks if you think any new fans brought in realize how the translation was bastardizedThe game didn't really create any new fans as the sales numbers have shown repeatedly, so this isn't really an issue.>Getting these companies to shun and shut out antijapanese dogma...by not buying their games out of a misguided and unrealistic idea of the quality of a translation you yourself are unable to actually judge?I take you buy exactly zero localized japanese games, or any game not written natively in english because all of them suffer from the same exact issues, SaGa's actually not so bad compared to way more successful things like Monster Hunter which are 80% made up bullshit down to the monsters' names.>You piss off old fans doing this, and any newcomers are fleeting at bestNot really, old fans know this remake was not actually made for them, newcomers didn't stay either because the moment they tried the other games they got whiplash by finding out they're nothing like the game they played so it was a lose-lose situation.>>736955668It's a good series but it's not really for everyone, the remake was also not handled by the main team and was specifically made to appeal to people who don't care about, so the localization also followed suit, it's sad but that's how business works.
>>736955496>No one buys a game based on the translation other than people who want correct translationsI have seen a lot of people exult over the abysmal War of the Lions translation, but aside from that you're probably correct.
>>736955742Even if he does, someone can care about games and still constantly drag them back into culture war posting. Those aren't contradictory.
>>736955668Well he's talking about a remake done by a different studio that was then translated to English. So it was going to have differences from the original since it was trying to appeal to a wider audience. That is just on a base Japanese language level as well since they expanded on the dialog from the original.
>>736955570>you can't care about accuracy if you're not willing to learn an entire language in its pursuitIt is possible to just want a translation to be as authentic as possible, without chasing perfect 1:1 accuracy.
>>736955741>"You can't escape politics" doesn't mean politics should be the main thing people drag every thread back toMaybe this would happen less if games weren't so infested by them.
>>736955668SaGa series is great, but you the dialogue/text in general is usually sparse. People play them for the gameplay and atmosphere more than the plots, though they can be cool. The settings are usually interesting too.
>>736955902You're saying some vague words. What does authentic mean in this instance? Would writing a rural Japanese accent in a rural American or British accent be an authentic translation?
>>736955229>the game got completely repurposed even outside of the localized script which is the real crime.I dropped the remake when I saw how they butchered the stone boat. they just straight up removed an interesting gameplay section because there was an iota of tedium involved.
>>736955818>someone can care about games and still constantly drag them back into culture war postingThis acknowledgement seems like progress on good faith/bad faith front, so I'll take it.
>>736956078Good, then at least we can agree that dragging things into culture wars and racial propaganda is lame.
>>736955902You want my honest opinion on that?I don't think so, and I don't say this maliciously, it's just the inherent problem of translating languages and the nature of language itself.I don't wanna excuse actual made up dogshit like Alundra, Vagrant Story or what have with this, we can and should have better than that, localization is a shitty cultural model but even in that there's supposed to be a modicum of standards that people are entitled to.As far as authenticity goes it's a whole bunch of issues and headaches because everyone can bring in some detail or possible interpretation of some line which is usually very personal and hard to judge as valid or not, putting aside liberal rewriting like again, changing names arbitrarily, changing entire lines, actual censorship etc., you still have to deal with a lot of extremely culture specific things which are simply not possible to translate such as again, Tsunanori's use of kansaiben which no matter how well you manage to convey by using different south american accent will never be accurate to the real thing as it's an inextricably japanese thing, modeled explicitly after japanese culture, you're simply not getting out of that and that's just something you have to accept if you don't wanna learn the language.As far as localization is concerned, again, I'm against the practice altogether because it's inherently racist and patronizing, it's a major issue in all media and not just games but sadly it's very hard to fight against giant corporations and literal decades, if not centuries of political lobbyism, it is what it is.On the bright side, the games now ship in dual language unlike the past, so it's not a bad deal at all, if you truly care about the authors and their original message you really should just learn the language, that's how I see it.
>>736956260Alundra isn't that bad actually. As far as Working Designs localizations go, it's one of their tamest. Bonaire is like the only major offender.
>>736956307Oh it's not Vic's worst hackjob for sure, but it's still not ideal if you ask me.
>>736956007>Would writing a rural Japanese accent in a rural American or British accent be an authentic translation?If it's the only way to approximate the dialect. Just get the characterization, tone and meaning as close as possible. That's all I ask. I myself am learning Japanese, and as a purist I likely would have taken that path eventually regardless, but as far as translations go I really would have been quite happy just being able to trust that the meaning is preserved as closely as possible.
>>736955741>retard actually listens to the cuck James LindseyAbsolutely pathetic.>muh politics are badThe thread topic is literally about malfactors invading game developments teams and shitting the product up with their antiwhite faggotry. So your bitch moaning is pretty impotent here.>Media shouldn't be judge on how much it affirms to your ideologyWrong. Completely.We live in a White nation, any game, movie, comic, etc absolutely should be judged by how White positive, or antiwhite it is.A product being White positive is great. If its neutral with no real sway either way, cool fine, not an issue.If it pushes antiwhiteism though it should absolutely be purged. You do not suffer that which undermines, demonizes, deracinates, or dehumanizes your kin. Period.Plus again art that is made with at least some loose White positive motivation will inherently possess quality by trying to uplift people.>>736955645You shouldn't feel about about that, it's a carefully constructed and designed trap by antiwhites. They want you forever bound up in their antiwhite narrative, fighting on their terms with their words.It's why we need to work outside their antiwhite framework. We still have time to undo their ploying.>>736955789>boast how the remake sold more, off the back of a shitty purposefully inaccurate translation>then state that it actually barely drew in new fans, and those it did bring in were quick to flee.Wow you must had a real hard think for that, huh anon?
I watched a sub of Kamen Rider Kiva years ago. There were monsters eating people, and a secret government agency could use a magic belt buckle to fight them, but a mere mortal using the belt buckle ended up bruised and exhausted, usually incapacitated for days after.Then this one civilian stumbles upon the magic belt buckle, uses it to kill a monster, and is seemingly fine after.This one secret government agent is spying on him the day after, and as she watches him participate in a flash mob, dancing and running around, she blurts out, "He's stupid!"This is actually pretty funny, if you're either Japanese or a huge weeb, and know the saying,"idiots can't catch colds." However, how would you translate this for general audiences?
>>736956371The game DID sell more and it was praised even for its worse localization.The fact that it did not actually create new fans is something completely unrelated which you're obviously too stupid and rabid to understand.
>>736956371Posts like this prove the point us SaGa players have been making throughout this thread about people not caring about games compared to their culture war crusading/racist propaganda posting. gg no re
>>736956546NTA, trannylators are the ones pushing the actual "culture war" in gaming and resisting their idpol faggotry is reasonable to say the least.
>>736956401>This is actually pretty funny, if you're either Japanese or a huge weeb, and know the saying,"idiots can't catch colds."We have a similar thing in the West no? Pretty sure I've heard something like 'you're too stupid/idiotic/moronic to get sick anyhow' or 'your brain is so slow it'd never even process the illness before it passes', 'your so dense the germs bounce right off you', etc.Most Japanese phrases aren't some unknown mystic creation gifted to them by the shinto gods anon.We do have something similiar for 90% of them.
>>736956260you know I played original RE4 recently and in the ending after ashley asks if leon wants to do overtime he just says sorry. thats the first time I hated a direct translation because I assume in jp script he says suman which is a proper response but makes no sense when translated.
>>736956546Nigger.Post your fucking SaGa files. RIGHT NOW. With time stamp.If you are so fucking cool and badass.Go on, prove you even play the damn games, rather than looking for some pathetic excuse to weasel out of the discussion.Cause I've yet to see proof anyone here even plays the games.
