>Stats go to 99>They actually stop benefiting you at around level 75>This makes it so roughly 20 points in each of your stats is a complete waste of time and resourcesThis is the most astronomically retarded thing I ever seen in an RPG. Just fucking make 75 the actual 99. To have 20 entire levels per stat be a waste of time makes no fucking sense at all and is genuinely stupid as fuck. Like the person who came up with it couldn't finish school.This wouldn't piss me off if it was only 1 game as a mistake. WHY IS THE MAXIMUM STAT NOT THE ACTUAL MAXIMUM?ARE SOULSLIKE DEVS ACTUALLY FUCKING STUPID?
ur dumb
>>736929593do you have autism?
>>736929593>its unacceptable when the swedes do it
>noooooo RPGs shouldn't have diminishing returns in the vanity NG+ stat caps
>>736929593Level should cap at 99 instead.
>>736929593It's to fuck stupid people like yourself. First Git Gud, then Get Fucked.
>>736929593The ultimate answer is this is easy to implement and balance out. Basically x3.
>>736929593You forgot they put an entire stat that's useless.
Just play at level 1 like a man
>>736929593Who cares? Only faggots play those games anyway.
>>736929593If you're grinding that much the stats don't really matter anyway, you're going to be way overleveled no matter what.
Dark Souls isn't about stats it's about animations and timing
>>736929593you're obviously correct but the retarded nigger cattle in here have been conditioned to enjoy looking up magic numbers instead of having the actual interface show it to you.
>>736929593youre supposed to beat the game well before you hit 75 in stats and new game plus is for niggers
>>736930416post your hand and nose, brown
>>736929593The consistent problem with Dark Souls' rpg mechanics is that the devs never figured out how to balance around higher stat levels.Even in Dark Souls 2. Once you have high enough VIG+STR/DEX stats you can basically just face tank the whole game right up to the final boss.
>level endurance>damage resistance is actually completely meaningless and you're supposed to just stack hp like a motherfucker while rolling naked
>>736930136Kek. If you want it difficult, play random builds. Running around with 23 Str in ng+ with a magic great sword + 4 is where your skills shine. Every attribute is random. Good luck beating ng+2.
>>736930567>rolling nakedAround ng+3 I realized naked with big bong is the way to play and lost all interest. Armor is meaningless after ng.
>>736929593Yes, the idea of a soft cap and hard cap has always been absolutely retarded in every RPG. It's not exclusive to Souls.
>>736929593yeah
Anyone disagreeing with the OP is a tremendous contrarian faggot.
this game is painful to play. there's something about the roll that, even though i beat many of the monster hunter games, just doesn't click with me.
>>736929593>Just fucking make 75 the actual 99.
>>736931162just stop being shit you pussy.
vit gouging is already obnoxious as fuck in these games, if anything you should get diminishing returns even harderalso early points in damage stats do jack shit until you upgrade your weapons due to the scaling sucking so maybe change that first so you have more reason to level up certain stats
>>736931206i just didn't like the game?
>>736929887Yeah they shouldn't. In fact they should have increasing returns the higher you get. The amount of souls needed to get there makes it unfeasible to get there anyway without cheating. If some Asian kid is psychotic to grind it out they should be rewarded not punished.
>>736931162monhun roll will always be more satisfying than ds roll due to it being a positional tool instead of press x to be invincible for a secondmiss me with that evasion+2 shit
>>736930337The interface does show it to you, it's not hard to track how much each level increases your stats, but more importantly, it's far easier to know when your stats stop making a significant difference in your ability over actual skill. If you're stressing about soft caps, you're only telling on yourself that you have a skill issue.
>>736930296>Dark Souls isn't about stats it's about animations and timing>try to fight Gywn with a default zweihander with 8 str, 10 END whilst wearing full HavelsSure bro, it isn't about stats
>>736931607just parry
>>736931421Stats matter less the further into the game you go. You're not expected or required to be anywhere near the stat cap for any of the hardest content. This goes for pretty much every RPG worth a damn. Raw numbers are more important early on and in the late game it's your abilities and strategies that make the bigger difference
>>736931607>10 END with full Havelnigga what are you doing?
>>736929668Yes. OP is a max level tard
>>736931712this, you don't need even need levels or weapons in the first place
>>736931712Well like OP said-cap it at 50 then. Don't waste the players time. The increasing amount of souls needed to level up is already disincentive enough from being overpowered
>>736929593Part of the point is how various characters in the setting eventually tried to get blood out of a stone, so to speak, and sabotaged themselves. Don't repeat their mistakes, but if you don't learn you face the penalty. It also encourages paying attention to the stats in question and weighing what's best, along with being more versatile with the stats you do increase.
>>736931963>don't waste the players timeHave you thought about simply not putting points in the now useless stat?
>>736931963This is an awful lot of placing the blame on the game for dumping points into stats where you can clearly see what gains are made by doing so before committing to itNevermind the ease of respeccing in DS3 and ER
>>736931086kek this, all the replies disagreeing are just "UR DUMB!!!"
I think the softcap mentality of DS games is actually brilliant, but isn't utilized the way it should be.I think a weapon that has an A/C ratio between Strength and Dexterity should mean that the optimal stat alocation for that weapon should be, let's say 4:1 between strength and agility, and between the lettered modifier and a linear falling off of stat benefits you could actually have builds that can specialize in different stat ratios rather than a single stat, creating more build diversity.Depreciating stats also rewards multiclassing, in theory, because INT and FTH open entirely new toolkits of utility and buffs. Which is fun.Regrettably DS games don't actually have linear falling off of stats, it's stepped, which ruins the whole thing.
>>736932181Yeah that's what most people do. It's still a stupid mechanic>>736932219It is the game's fault
>>736932870No it is not the game's fault you are covering your eyes with your hands before putting more points into STR so you don't see you haven't actually been making gains by allocating more points
>>736933049Yes I know you can see what the gains are before you level, that is not my complaint at all. My complaint is that the game gives you diminishing returns the higher you level whilst also making you pay more in souls. In my opinion it should actually give you more benefits the higher you level, because it gets to the point where you're spending 400,000 souls to get 1 level and it's not even worth doing. I think that's lame
>>736932181Ds1 had funny colours for undead zombies, unlike ds2's green goo guy.
>>736934356Thankfully they fixed all of that in the next games
>>736934753muh brotha, muh capp'n, muh kang...
>>736931421increasing returns would just force you to go all in on one stat, instead of making some pleasant spread that lets you use a variety of tools
>>736929593Maybe it's to encourage you to dump your stats elsewhere?
>>736931187This perfectly encapsulates how utterly dumb as fuck the idea of a "SoftCap" is.
>>736935896That doesn't make sense. You could just make them do that by having a normal cap.Getting to 75 in anything also takes real dedication. Not really something you do by accident.
At this point we're going to need yellow paint on stats just to stop retards from digging themselves into a hole
>>736934753>>736934902Shhhiiieeettt
>>736930070X to the power of 3*
>>736931421Holy fucking pajeet
>>736933392Is this a bot? This shit makes no sense.Out of the billions of humans, there is a zero percent chance someone woke up this morning and decided you know what, let me get upset about very basic soft cap stats in an rpg from over a decade ago.
>>736933392>because it gets to the point where you're spending 400,000 souls to get 1 level and it's not even worth doingYeah, that’s the point. Are you new to video games or life in general? You’re not supposed to spend 5000 hours in one souls playthrough.
>>736931421I don't think there should be any changes at all.1 to 99 should be a solid equation, not a variable one. That's my real problem with the system. It's obnoxiously tedious and needlessly punishes someone who just wants their stats to go up instead of having to make an aspergers-inspired mathematical equation of a build. It's the most autistic sadism I have ever seen and doesn't even really do it's job all that well. Most people can figure out pretty quickly when a stat gives you almost no bonuses on the next level. Just fucking make 99 the actual max instead having 3 or 4 levels in every stat do literally nothing. That's fucking retarded and gay. There is no defending such a poorly thought-out system.
>>736936334No good game would purposely implement such an intentional waste of time anyway, you dumb autistic freak.
>>736936709OP here,I made this thread because I just started Lords Of The Fallen and it also does this fucking stupid bullshit.I officially hate it and want it to stop.So far I am confident I can eliminate the practice.
>>736936851It's a retard trap, just avoid it. It's not that fucking difficult.
>>736936180Sure, it's not a good idea. But it's there for people who want to do it.Not saying this argument is the real case. I'm just trying to rationalize why the game is like this as it's deliberately intentional.
>>736937031That's part of the problem. It's a retard trap that doesn't even do it's job so there's level like 40 levels that literally don't affect your stats.That's stupid as fuck. It's genuinely bad game design and you should want better.
>>736937094Why not make 75 the 99 then?Do you not see how silly it is force a hard limit to how much level a stat that is below it's actual max?Not just silly. Stupid and poorly designed.
>>736937104I don't want better. I want retard traps in my games to catch retards.
>>736929593>WHY IS THE MAXIMUM STAT NOT THE ACTUAL MAXIMUM?it is
>>736936765You can play it as long as you want. It goes up to NG+99 I think. There's not supposed about it. It's just stupid that after 60 it stops giving you meaningful rewards but still lets you level it up. I'd have thought that was pretty hard for anyone to argue against. The higher a stat, the more rewards you should get. If 60 is the max make 60 the max. I've got into a similar argument over the lack of pause function in these games. It's objectively poor design and a bad thing but people will still defend it, like I'm attacking the game or something/>>736936709I'm not upset at all, other than at people failing to grasp my very simple point. I didn't make this thread I just commented on it. Yeah I don't level stats past 50 because the soul requirement is so high. But even if I did grind the fuck out of it, it wouldn't be worth it. I think that's pretty gay.
>>736937202It doesn't even do that, retard. The retard trap should be basic management of gear, not autistic wiki meta that ultimately doesn't matter to someone who is actually skilled. This is just plain bad use of stats as a game mechanic and you can't admit because you're an autistic fanboy retard that wants a game's systems to deliberately have no point or use whatsoever just so you can feel epic and hardcore.So far the only argument in this entire thread is smug boasting that liking a terrible stat system that is nothing more than neeless tedium for retards is actually for superior gigachad big brains. It's truly pathetic. I'm just going to reason with devs to save them time and money which will absolutely work like it did with Stakes of Marika.Please don't have a nice day, autistic retards. I know you are incapable of it anyway.
>>736937483>meaningful rewardsbut it doesn't stop giving you rewardsevery stat up to 99 improves somethingjust because you don't think +1 fire res from 98 to 99 str is "meaningful" doesn't mean it isn't an increase in something
>>736937554You probably fell for it
>>736937202>I don't want betterFromvermin are actually this retarded huhThe genre is doomed with their autism around. They demand the gayest shit ever and devs have no choice but to make it retarded or lose money.
>>736929593At least in Elden Ring:>Sometimes it's genuinely worth taking stats up to 99 for weapons with insane S scaling>There are soft caps at 60 and then 80>Your level is probably going to be around 200 after completing the game + DLC one go around>respecs are trivial in case you realize you've wasted pointsIn DS1 most stats cap at fucking 40 and there is a broken troll stat that completely wastes your points
>>736937697When have Fromsoft games ever gotten better?
>>736937649>Expresses deep knowledge of how the system works and cites how it doesn't really work in it's intent for either skilled or unskilled players>ur just dumb and im better than u also I have no argument kek every time with you autistshe is right to just go straight to the devs. With the way you cunts argue it's no wonder yellow paint has become a meme.pathetic
>>736929593In DS2 having 99 Strength allows you to powerstance the greatest weapon in the game, the Smelter Hammer. There is pretty much no other reason to go up to 99 Strength. This is extremely funny and is therefore good.
>>736937786We're talking about the entire genre of Soulslikes here. OP even said Lords Of The Fallen inspired his crusade.I also agree with your point entirely they are stagnant garbage.
>>736929593>>They actually stop benefiting you at around level 75The scaling is still there, it's just extremely small.The actual problem is why is that STR is the only stat that has tangible benefits from going over the hard cap due to two handing applying a flat 50% bonus to your score.You could also make a case for the current PvP matchmaking being dependant on your level range, which is inherently tied to your stat sheet, which is a huge mess in terms of balance, or lack thereof.
>>736937875That's probably the only way to please both rational humans and sadomasochistic autists.Just tie a weapon to every 99. Doesn't need to be a good weapon. Now there aren't 3 levels in every stat that have zero reason to exist.
>anon learns about the concept of diminishing returns for the first time today>he is violently opposed to itReal life doesn't conform to your tantrums and neither do game devs.
>>736938072A weapon for every 99 stat sounds pretty cool honestly. It would probably make extremely high level PvP a bit more fun too.
>>736937983PvP is the first nuance I have seen presented that makes a little bit of sense but it still means they completely failed to account for the idea of a maxed out stat when they designed matchmaking pools, which is a massive flaw in stat balancing where the solution should be fixing the stat progressing. The real problem is autistic retards won't let anyone fix it because they have to feel superior about liking shit nobody else does no matter what the situation is.
just level your hp stat, stamina stat, and damage stat evenly and you never have to think about this stupid shit
just dont level it?
>>736938225>Actually flawless argument that nobody can actually argue against without feigning superiority while firmly dismissing the idea improvement is needed>Violently opposedAutism AND schizophrenia! Neat!
>>736938523>>736938425Yeah that's obvious. You guys are not listening to the core problem.The maximum is not the maximum.That is very stupid and silly.
>>736934753Mogungo
