>>736930679
Toby literally has 0 original ideas, huh?

>>736931228
a real nowhere man you could say

>>736931228
you could say he's not the... original

>>736932819
Ba dum tss

>>736930679
Wait until you see where he stole determination from

>>736931228
absolutely zero
his fanbase just doesn't actually play other games (or games at all)

>>736936096
What did he even steal? I feel like he managed to clone the vibes pretty directly but it's done via very different methods and story beats. The little things people call rip offs are just references.

>>736936230
>Deltarune story line is literally homestuck and omori slapped together
>Determination is Courage from MOTHER 2 (Same purpose, different name)
>Genocide / Pacifism from Live a Live
>Toby literally stated hes just stealing from Senran Kagura

>>736936230
Punch out?
Acting fron SMT?

>>736931228
>>736936096
if it's really that easy to steal ideas from classic games, package them together with themes about friendship and destiny, and then make $100 million, why haven't you done it?

>>736936529
Respect for the ogs, and principles, for starters.
Which toby proved he doesnt have when he fucked the OFF OST
Hes even copying shit irl like Yoko Taros mask

>>736936429
incredibly shit bait

>>736936529
I have work and bills to pay instead of being a rich kid who never worked a day in his life and spent his 20s living rent free in the basement of his groomer webcomic hero.

>>736936429
>erm i have a very original story but a friend is making someone very similar! (he is referring to omori)
>does not deviate from it
>in fact his whole circlejerk just recycles stuff from each other and other things

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>>736930679
>stealth Deltarune threads are back because the janny keeps deleting them
Kek. I didn't miss this but you can’t stop the human spirit. Our determination.

>>736936721
principles and a quarter is worth exactly 25 cents

people spent a decade trying to solve the mystery of gaster when he is just a nigga from ff7

>>736937010
>Anon values money over values
So toby is a glorified jew, and so are you?
Explains it all

>>736936230
>but it's done via very different methods and story beats
this is what people don't understand, Toby takes a bunch of shit from other games but it's always done in a way that is in the end unique to what he's going for and doesn't feel like it was forced in solely as a reference and has no basis outside of that.
there's a character called the "Forgotten Man" in Deltarune, but he's sufficiently distinguished from Mother 1's Forgotten Man through context and presentation while functioning as a reference on top of that. if anything he's more of a Yume Nikki reference.
it's just being inspired, and i don't think being inspired is a bad thing if the end result can fully function as its own individual work. i don't know why people lose their minds and get all reductionist so they can say "This is LITERALLY just like that!" (it rarely is) when more or less every creative takes shit from elsewhere. the Mother series in particular isn't shy about it

>>736936059
From where? Also what's the forgotten man?

>>736936429
What did he steal from Seran Kagura? The sexy humans?

>>736937186
That anon is just saying shit and hasn't played Senran Kagura

>>736937182
EarthBound lies out this concept of "Courage" which allows you to persevere and defy impossible oddsto change the future
Determination literally allows you to persevere against asriel and allows you to revive in a point in the past, basically allowing you to change the future.
Forgotten Man is a recurring concept in MOTHER 1 (Atleast 2 times)
Most notable in magicant where he blocks your path

timepoop theory is just the homosuck scratch

>>736937182
Did you play Deltarune? Do the egg quest in Chapter 3.

>>736937289
Yeah but who's the Forgotten Man in UT/DR? Gaster?

>>736937442
Theorybait for child exploitation via content farm
Toby fox's specialty

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>>736937225
Toby should be more inspired by its character design desu.

>>736937591
>>736937186
Would be easier to ask which games toby hasnt stolen shit from

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>>736936721
>i respect the classics so much that i'm never never let their impact on me serve as a basis for the creation of anything
incredible that you've managed to feel superior in your absolute mediocrity. you'd show more respect if you could even attempt to convey that they mattered to you at all, regardless of if the result is good or bad

>>736937703
Does toby pay you for the mental gymnastics you have to do to suck his cock or his jewish heritage prevents him from doing so?

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Say, where did he stole the idea for the weird route
Manipulating your dear childhood friend because someone is controlling you feels specific

Maybe i shold play more games but most evil routes in vydia is just killing people

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>>736936429
>>Genocide / Pacifism from Live a Live
Live A Live doesn't have a genocide route. The genocide route of Undertale was inspired by OFF, a journey of purification that involves killing everything you come across and ends in the termination of the world.
It's so beat for beat that the genocide route is basically a loving remake of OFF where you fight Zacharie at the end.

>>736937832
>Live A Live doesnt have a genocide route
Classic deltatroon doesnt play vidya moment

>>736936230
Toby doesn't really steal, he's just inspired by other RPGs and that triggers schizos.

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>>736937901
Dumbass. It's got a pacifism route, yes, but it's only pacifism and nonpacifism. One kill locks you out of the sword. There is no reason to kill everyone past that except grinding Oboromaru's EXP. Thus, there is no "genocide" element. Don't talk about shit you don't understand.

>>736937949
Really, really, really, really inspired
Which would be bad for any other dev that doesnt have internet hate exemption

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>>736937832
Isn't genocide also inspired by that Moon RPG, too?

>>736938010
>Really, really, really, really inspired
It really isn't

>>736938027
Only the base rate concept of "an RPG where you don't have to kill your enemies" comes from Moon, Toby Fox never even played Moon before making Undertale, he had only heard of it.

>>736938045
Its copying at worst, performative at best.
You are still in the honeymoon phase

>>736937789
what part of "making art inspired by the things you enjoy, even if it isn't good art, is more meaningful than doing nothing at all" is mental gymnastics? your principles seem to be
>The Classics™ are eternally untouchable masterpieces that weren't made by human beings with influences but simply emerged, flawless, from the aether and to attempt to iterate upon them is an insult to what they stand for
which is retarded

>>736937991
>Game literally has exclusive content for killing everyone
>WTF ITS NOT A GENOCIDE ROUTE BECAUSE ITS NOT 100% LIKE TOBYS GAME
I danced this song before. Let me get ahead of you.

>>736938097
What exactly was copied?

>>736937442
We don't know yet. Popular theory is that it's Deltarune Gaster.

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toby is having sex with cute japanese woman and is rich lmao, you lost fucking live a live schizo, go live a live instead lmao

>>736938108
>Toby says in an interview OFF was one of his main inspirations, and specifically the character Dedad, which influenced papyrus is one of his favorites.
>Says separately that doing the ost is an honor that he has so much respect for it
>Shoves papyrus theme into it for no reason.

>>736938010
Not really, he makes it original enough.

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>>736938212
How can he fuck japanese women when you are sucking his cock 24/7?

>>736938085
Right, I remembered it wrong. OFF being the inspiration for the genocide route makes sense, I've seen a lot of people act as if the cat judge was Sans’s inspiration.

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>>736938239
>>Shoves papyrus theme into it for no reason.
Ah, so you never played the full OFF remake nor know why Toby did it in the first place
I think it's funnier to leave you in the dark

>>736937832
you fight Ballos at the end though

>>736938415
Why would I play the inferior version of OFF?
Soundtrack downgrade was enough.
Heard they added some new stuff but probably nothing of worth.
And censored some shit tol

>>736938146
>>Game literally has exclusive content for killing everyone
Name it. Literally, name it. Say what you think fulfills this quality.

>>736938146
>game literally has exclusive content for killing everyone
it's hilarious that you haven't even played the game you're attempting to use as a zinger, holy shit

>>736938589
Unique dialogue, item drops from enemies you wont be killing in pacifist, literally getting your partner earlier, special graphics for the lives taken.
>Inb4 LITERAL GAME CONTENT IS NOT CONTENT.
I see it, already

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>>736936429
Live a Live is more on the deltarune thing and also a foreshadow of how Kris will betray the party

>>736938589
Also you can avoud killing women and kidd before they give you their item
Then go back and kill them for extras.

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>>736938808
Knight promotion chads winning again. He will be the next Knight.

>>736938768
>Unique dialogue
There is no unique dialogue "for killing everyone".
>item drops from enemies you wont be killing in pacifist
You do not receive any items "for killing everyone".
>literally getting your partner earlier, special graphics for the lives taken.
Neither apply "for killing everyone".

Oh, look at that, weasel can't even answer a single question right. Hey, idiot. Genocide means killing everyone. Not killing a few. You can get all of these just killing a few! You can leave several enemies alive and you miss out on no dialogue, no items, and no special graphics.
I'll note the 4 ninja that the possessed swordsmen slay. Oboromaru can kill them quickly and get +4 kills. Or he can wait and let the swordsman slay them, denying 4 kills and meaning you don't get full kill credit. They drop no items and their only dialogue is basically "Stop right there!". Yet, if you let even a single enemy slide, it's not Genocide. It changes nothing, because LIVE A LIVE DOES NOT HAVE A GENOCIDE ROUTE.

""exclusive content for killing everyone""
There's five words here and you missed the last one.

>>736938808
Oersted's voice actor was pretty good in the remake
Shame about some of the mechanica and secrets getting fucked

>>736938991
>Lives taken: 100
>Doesnt apply for killing everyone
Ok anon, I let you make a fool of yourself already.
Now tell me, how do you access this content without killing everyone?

>>736938991
Not him and I agree with you but I will play Devil's Advocate and say you don't kill EVERYONE in Undertale's genocide route, either. Just whoever you CAN kill.

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>>736938505
How are we supposed to take you seriously when you talk about shit you know nothing about?
The full game doesn't even have Bonetrousle in Dedan's new theme.
https://youtu.be/hWC1NQqFuVw
It's even believed that Mortis Ghost suggested Toby to include Bonetrousle to troll morons like you, otherwise, it wouldn't have made it in the demo

God, what a fucking retard you are
Enjoy making nothing out """respect""" for the source material

>>736939058
Anon, are you really so disingenuous that you are equating a counter going up a single tick is the same as a route that changes all the dialogue and adds a superboss? That's your genuine argument? You think changing 99 to 100 is the content you are missing out on?

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>>736938808
if tobby hadn't taken this long the "inspirations" wouldn't feel like a guide

>>736939185
That's an entirely useless point to raise. Hell, it's even the point. Killing everyone you can kill in Live A Live doesn't reward you or change anything at all.

>>736939273
Yeah, I know. I was just being pedantic.

>>736939219
>Inb4 CONTENT IS NOT CONTENT
Do I need to add anything?

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>>736939225
It's the fault of the WAIT. People need to see where Deltarune ends up so they scan Toby Fox entire life to try to predict him. Which is kind of funny because I think the only theory based on his inspirations that was correct (maybe) was the Knight being Dess because of Mother 3 Masked Man. If the WAIT was shorter people wouldn't be trying to be literally Toby.

>>736939467
>>736939225
Is there even any real excuse as to why these asset reusing, short 3 hr chapters take +4 years each?

>>736939375
Motte and bailey weasel. Use a game genie, you can make that number show whatever you want.

>>736939219
>Is 1 extra line of dialogue enough for you?
Literally the entire existence of Undertale and other theorybait games is based on this
>1 counter going up is enough for you?
Literally collecthathons and jrpgs are based on this

>>736939672
>Literally the entire existence of Undertale and other theorybait games is based on this
No, it isn't.
That's a silly idea to raise, in fact. Why do you believe this is so?
>Literally collecthathons and jrpgs are based on this
And if something changed for that final tally, it'd BECOME a collectathon of sorts. But nothing changes except the tally itself.

>>736939521
>asset reusing
You niggers really neee to stop talking things you know nothing about

>>736939521
Toby is a perfectionist and everything needs to be perfect and fit his vision to the point he will rework things several times.

>>736939672
>Literally the entire existence of Undertale and other theorybait games is based on this
Most people consider the neutral endings as one singular ending because the main change is just a line of dialogue, so yeah. It counts.

>>736939521
meme answer aside
Toby had to wait for gamemaker to update their engine too add a new function because developing each chapter as it's own game was easier

>>736938212
Do you really think a Japanese woman would go for some mixed mystery meat spic weeaboo when they could get literally any other race instead? Toby isn't fit, I wouldn't call him bad looking but he's a skinny, average COD player looking sped.

>>736939738
>No, it isn't.
Who is the knight, anon?

>>736939984
Dess, it's not a mystery. That Toby Fox learned from Undertale and knows how to churn a fanbase does not mean it's "the entire existence of Undertale" alone. He knows what the allure of Lord English did to Homestuck.

>>736938768
This is such a retarded criticism, it's like saying any game that has jumping is a Mario ripoff. And using Live A Live is double retarded when you consider it rips off Alien and ton of other shit.

>>736936497
>Acting fron SMT?
Undertale doesn't have RNG bullshit where enemies decide to keep fighting even if you try to spare them, nor require you to give them your items. So I would say Undertale did that better, despite you can't make enemies join you

>>736939210
>It's even believed that...
yes thank you New York Times, i'll stop reading here

>>736939210
>Its even believed that [made up shit to make toby look better]
I see...

>>736939912
there are guys who figured out on the fly within-gamemaker image and content downloading, piggybacked entity data, descync-resistant multiplayer fucking 15 years ago, and toby "more money than god" fox has to sit on his thumb up his ass waiting for gamemaker to add a function for HIM instead of just hiring people who already know the engine inside and out?

why?

>>736939912
Even with that the chapters still take too long. Don't forget there's going to another one in the future according to Toby.

>>736940285
>instead of just hiring people who already know the engine inside and out
he did this, though

>>736940348
he hired the wrong fucking people then. get a hold of the guys who made nuclear throne together, or risk of rain, or anything like that.

>>736940181
are all these threads full of this kind of faggot tumblr reject molested mindset trash browns?

>>736940464
are you really this bent out of shape about someone criticizing demon negotiation systems
most people think they're bullshit bro

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>>736939467
The plot went very straight forward so maybe the obvious is the answer, tobby also needs to focus on how to present the development
For example monster girl quest has an ultra basic story, but how is presented makes it worth it, he needs to pull something like that

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>>736940464
>are all these threads full of this kind of faggot tumblr reject molested mindset trash browns?

>>736940528
Considering Undertale and Homestuck were specifically made for that audience?

>>736940638
Undertale and Homestuck weren't made for people that dislike the often punishing and erratic nature of SMT demon negotiation

>>736940689
Meant to reply to the tumblr post

>>736940689
homestuck was made by people who like games with hardmode, toby is constantly making fun of people who care about game dificulty

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>>736940547
The plot was straight forward but it's also threw curveballs nobody predicted. Tenna was indeed a gameshow host, the church had a Dark World and the mayor was named Carol but the Knight also showed up in Chapter 3, kidnapped Undyne and summoned a titan. Outside of filler I think the way Toby is doing is fine as long as we get answers in the future. The biggest problem is mystery baiting. At some point you just stop caring about the bait he throws out. Personally I don't care about what the final tragedy is that much because of it.

>>736940186
https://www.tumblr.com/mortisghost/785642328641732608/about-the-off-prologue
Read, nigga, read
>All that being said, the Dedan battle theme, which seems to have been a specifically controversial point, will most likely receive some changes between now and the final release.
>Finally, I've read a few times about Toby Fox's supposedly dominant role on the team. Please believe that, as involved as he is in the game's development process, not only does he have no final decision-making power (which is more in line with my position)
It's either Toby have put Bonetrousle in the demo and Mortis Ghost allowed it temporarily, or Mortis Ghost was the one suggested it
Either way, it's stupid to complain about the song since it has been changed in the final release. If you want to complain about things like gameplay changes in the remake, that's fine, but complaining about Dedan's theme is dumb because it's old news and has been resolved since then

what's the plan if the ending sucks and everyone just says it sucks?

>>736940924
>Either way, it's stupid to complain about the song since it has been changed in the final release.
>Oh yeah its stupid to forget you wanted to fuck me in the ass and deliver shit since there was backlash anyway

>>736941035
Be disappointed that Toby couldn't follow through. Shame it came so out of left field.

>>736941035
Literally impossible
Toby has a defense force ready to praise anything he does.
Even if 50% of people say its shit the other 50 is loud enough

>>736940924
>it's stupid to complain about the song since it has been changed in the final release.
Honestly, it just shows how much toby likes smelling his own farts

>>736941035
why would you care about other people's opinion?

>>736940924
there's no point, the anon you're responding to isn't thinking
>it's bad that bonetrousle was in dedan's theme, i hate toby fox --> it's good that bonetrousle was taken out of dedan's theme, i no longer hate toby fox
he's thinking
>i hate toby fox, this is a reason to hate him --> it doesn't matter that it is no longer true, it was once true and that's enough
i mean the guy didn't even play the OFF remake you can see how far his investment in it goes, it begins and ends at 4chan shitflinging

>>736941284
Almost as if there was a reason he didnt play the off remake...
A big, insisting upon itself, pretentious, reason with a long history of fuckups

>>736940924
mind you that he changed it after people pointed out he smelt his own farts

>>736941404
let me correct myself, it begins at a parasocial grudge and ends at 4chan shitflinging

>>736941284
Whats your favorite videogame franchise anon?
Maybe I can give you an example of why youre retarded

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>>736941035
If it sucks I will just hope it doesn't affect Undertale and just memoryhole Deltarune. If it affects it I will just move on. I doubt people will hate the ending completely, though. There will be a defense squad for it even if it's somehow bad.

>>736941505
Brother thought he was cool while hes stuck in a parasocial dicksucking contest with other anons at basket weaving turn based chat rooms

>>736941523
Monster Hunter

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>>736941053
>putting a popular melody in a boss theme is the same as getting raped
You got something to share with the thread, anon?

>>736941449
>>736941187
Again, Mortis Ghost had the final say in everything
If you want to blame someone, it's him

>>736941284
Even if the controversy didn't happen, these idiots would find a reason to complain about Toby because of their blind hateboner
>new Dedan's theme sounds very close to Fake Orechesta
>people complain how Toby is unoriginal

>new Dedan's theme is its own thing
>people complain how it's nothing like Fake Orechesta
I'm pretty sure they don't care about OFF, because otherwise they would've played the game with the patch that restores the old soundtrack, or the original game that's still free

>>736939521
They aren't anymore, but back then it was engine complications and the team being tiny.

>>736941547
I love undertale but deltarune so far really isnt even 1/4 as interesting or fun as undertale was on release, it doesnt even feel like it has more content even though its a much longer game.
Even discussing it on the internet isnt as fun as undertale, the fanbase from chapter 1 and 2 is extremely different from the fanbase from chapter 3 & 4, its all children and manchildren that overstayed their welcome too, by the time chapter 8 is out it will be all manchildren if somehow deltarune goes out of fashion with teens and children

>>736936096
his fanbase not only doesn't play any other games but they go into other spaces to go "UMM UNDERTALE MUCH???" when they see something that inspired it

>>736941636
Imagine youre a 3dsbabs and then you get World. Shitting on your color vomit slop and verticality infested games, and your games are not coming back
Imagine you're a true vet and then you get the 3ds slop,reshaping the series forever
>Inb4 I have no standards and I have played all games (ps2 vet mandatory)

>>736930679
who was he? george?

>>736941869
nobody but your tranny circlejerk was complaining it doesnt sound like fake orchestra, its all deltarune tourists saying "oh i liked when it sounded like my pedophile skeleton fight :3"

>>736938808
live-a-live fucking sucked lol

>>736941869
>Videogame remake song sounds too similar too og but re orchestrated
You're coping too hard to notice the mistake here

>>736942259
Now type that without crying.

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>>736942298
And deltarune is a confirmed knockoff of it.
How does this make you feel?

>>736942401
that deltarune is unoriginal tumblrcore slop and it's kinda sad that it got a rerelease just because one track in undertale kinda has a similar name to a track from its ost

>>736942240
While never officially confirmed, basically, since George abandoned Maria with the aliens
Also the reason magicant disappears and Giegue is weak to the song is heavily believed to be that Giegue killed her in a Tantrum and thats her final wish

>>736942458
Toby literally confirmed Megalovania was supposed to straight up literally be MegaloMania, but he felt like doing
1 original thing in his life.

>>736942345
>>Videogame remake song sounds too similar too og but re orchestrated
Doesn't apply to OFF

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>go to post in comfy mother thread
>it immediately turned into seething about undertale

>>736942709
starmen.net is nothing but deltratroon posts now

>>736942671
You notice the issue here?
Nothing is getting remade per se.

>>736942709
anything mother is forever tainted by deltarune, just like toby slathers his leitmotiff std's on anything he touches

>>736942709
Post your favorite Vocal OST track and version and then answer why the best song is Wisdom of the World

>>736942856
that's actually a completely correct opinion but all the of the vocal ost is perfect, why didn't they do this for 2?

>>736942709
we need to talk about the funny skellington and listening to your in-game mom fuck him

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>>736940842
I still like the thought of the final tragedy being something that already happened hence why the prophecy cannot be changed at this point
As long as it is something specified it will be fine tho, if tobby pulls off an umineko then everything falls apart

>>736941035
Look back on the sick music. UT/DTR has always been music first, story second.

>>736942791
It wouldn't have been if the first post hadn't immediately started seething at toby
>>736942856
I'm a simple man. I like eight melodies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmZMMSDx3Yg

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>>736942709
This is a stealth Deltarune thread bro.

>>736942968
just sounds like shitty 2hu knockoffs and uses a bunch of SNES soundfonts because toby is a hack

>>736938209
Is Deltarune Gaster supposed to be distinct from Undertale Gaster? I thought his deal was that he semi-accidentally splattered himself across realities.

>>736942970
I'm still upset about how little EB did with that when it was such a core story thing in the first game

>>736942937
what if you can misinterpret the prophecy?!? then goofy things happen !1! and everyone is happy!! :DD but if you do this you unlock the creepy gaster fight! :OOO

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>>736942709
Toby threads tend to attract many schizos and crabs sadly
Anyway I still think Itoi should've made another JRPG, it doesn't have to be another Mother game
Mother 3 is one of my favorite JRPGs because of its gameplay. I would love to see another game with Rolling meter mechanic and being able to avoid overworld encounters by sprinting

>>736942970
Truly a melody we can all sing
>>736942917
Pretty sure they planned u do it for EarthBound and MOTHER 3 too, but ran into some issues.
I'll have to search a bit to find any sources too. You know how rumors surrounding the series are.

>>736942970
even toby calls himself a hack, its his fans who never played a single rpg (even ut/dr) who seethe if you call toby out on anything ever at all

>>736943023
Yeah it's weird. I actually really like the Sanctuaries and Ness get powered up at the last one, but the melodies being tacked onto it just falls kind of flat

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>>736943049
>very popular theory
>very common trope
It can happen... depends on his mood i guess, if tobby is feeling angsty or bland

>>736943109
ut/dt fan says ut/dt are the only good RPGs while they play nothing like one and then admit they never actually played ut/dt lol

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>>736942160
in both cases i'd accept it, it's not worth being angry over a franchise i have no real control over when the games i enjoy are still there.
>your games are not coming back / reshaping the series forever
look, i genuinely don't think this is worth getting mad about when the old games exist and will continue to exist. chalk it up to a difference in temperament
>Inb4 I have no standards and I have played all games
you're never going to convince me that genwarring isn't retarded, it's not a matter of standards i'm just secure in saying i like Monster Hunter fundamentally and don't see a point in doing
>BUT LE BINGBUGS
>BUT LE CRUTCH CLAW
shit. people will like what they like, i'll do the same

>>736943126
The melodies strengthen his conmection to the Earth and his mind, allowing him to beat his internal evils, achieve peace of mind and become [EarthBound]
[spoiler/] or some shit like that

>>736936096
The sick revelation is that most fanbases don't play games these days. Everything even remotely popular is swarming with secondaries and tertiaries who regurgitate their opnions from streamers.

i cried like a bitch during that sequence where ness sees himself as a baby

>>736943109
>>736943201
Are these UT/DR fans you're speaking off in the room with us right now?

>>736943232
I mean yeah, but what are they?

>>736943310
yes, they're invading this earthbound thread

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>>736941945
Honestly I agree even if I love Deltarune still. I miss the 2016-20 fanbase a lot, too. The worst part about episodic releases it's the fact the fanbase always changes before the game is even over, plus Undertale's premise was better imo.
>>736942937
I do hope the tragedy is something specific but based on the fact Susie will subvert it, it's probably vague enough that it can be interpreted differently like how Tenna could survive being cleaved by the Knight. I don't think it already happened, I think the prophecy is fate/determination itself so it has to happen unless we get enough POWER to break it.

>>736942997
>shitty 2hu knockoffs
there are less than 3 songs that sound even remotely to touhou dude

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>>736943050
>Another MOTHER game
Can I interest you in:
Mother: Cognitive Dissonance?
Not by Itoi but pretty good in my honest opinion. If you can get past the not moving diagonally
Plays more like Mother 1 tho

>>736943403
oh i'm sorry there's the one that sounds like a megaman x song too

>>736942998
We don't know, actually. People theorize there was a Deltarune Gaster and he got erased when his Undertale self shattered.

>>736943343
Point them out then

>>736943403
It's also funny because a large chunk of the soundtrack uses Earthbound and Mother 3 soundfonts

>>736943403
>>736943464
there's the one that sounds exactly like Mother Earth from Mother 1 too... wow.....

>>736943310
ut/dt fan here, im a stupid faggot that doesnt play of the games, i just go to parties dressed as asriel to get molested by niggers
half of my friends within the fandom are the same as me, only chuds actually plays ut/dt

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>>736943343
This was always a stealth Deltarune thread, my man. Janny is deleting Deltarune threads so people made an OP that is referenced in Deltarune.

>>736943540
The true is gyigas theme

>>736943634
>post mother 1 screenshot
>erm this is actually a stealth deltarune thread
fuck you, asshole

>>736943668
The true lab****
>>736943540

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>>736943397
The prophecy being something that is happening now gives it some imminent threat, but we can still have something to stride for depending on what Kris is attempting to do
While determination is central in undertale, deltarune is very reluctant in even saying the word

>>736943701
even if there was any deniability it became one when the first post was about how much of a hack Toby Fox is. where do you think that'll skew discussion?

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>>736943448
I have heard of it many years ago but it completely slipped out my mind until you brought it up
I may give it ago because the MC looks cute
>Plays more like Mother 1 tho
That's not a good thing. Playing Mother 1 was a miserable experience. Does it have QOL improvements over Mother 1?

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>>736943909
towards better games I'd hope

>>736943701
It's about the "forgotten man" who is only relevant in Deltarune, so yeah. It's a stealth thread.

>>736943910
It plays like MOTHER 1 in the sense of it having no rolling hp meter, and having 4th d slip, psi beam etc etc.
Dont remember if it has random encounters

thoughts on the upcoming mother 1 remakes?

>>736944103
Anything is better than the Anniversary romhack.
Did they ever fix the money issue?

>>736944078
well shit, he's forgotten for good reason then

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>>736937832
>It's so beat for beat that the genocide route is basically a loving remake of OFF where you fight Zacharie at the end
You have never played the game if you're saying this. Sans is literally your Judge in Undertale, and a parallel to the character literally called The Judge in OFF, both characters whom have a brother who died for different reasons, but the parallel there remains.
The Batter in OFF also does not kill everyone he comes across for the sake of gaining levels. He will stop and listen to the Citizen's demands for random trivia questions and errands that seemingly have nothing to do with his mission, because Batter only cares about the path of least resistance towards The Guardians, not just killing anyone who says hi to him. The only time your actions are ever directly called out is right at the end, when The Judge himself gives you an actual choice on whether or not you want to side with him or keep going with The Batter.
Never in OFF do you outright skip puzzles. The cities you're about to enter do not suddenly become abandoned because people caught wind of your killing from earlier. There aren't any huge difficulty spikes from the bosses you face. The Batter never ignores your decision to side with The Judge. The literal only parallels between OFF and the Genocide route, is a vaguely similarly design for the final boss, and the theme of you, the player, being complicit in the actions of your avatar.

>>736944209
Bazinga!

>>736944078
The Forgotten man is literally one of the main story characters for Mother 1, but in the mind of someone that blocked him due to him abandoning her.
And instead of painting him as evil or some shit, since she loves him so much she just decided to block him

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>>736943841
My theory that the prophecy is determination itself comes from Undertale where it's stated determination is the power to shape fate. The reason why we can have all these different endings is because our determination allows it. Since in Deltarune our choices don't matter, my assumption is that the prophecy is what has the determination to shape the world since everyone treats it as fate itself. If we surpassed it like how in Undertale we surpass Flowey's determination, the ending would be ours to chose. Maybe this is what Kris and the Knight are also striving to do by kidnapping people can making us stronger.

>>736944275
>Anon yet again makes the mistake of thinking that following literally the same story structure, due to some gameplay differences its not equal
Rookie mistake

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>>736944087
Okay then
It's an RPG Maker game, so that's another reason for me to get invested in
Which version of Cognitive Dissonance would you recommend to play?

Also have you heard of Touhou Mother? That's another RPG Maker fangame I'm interested in playing

>>736944331
That's interesting but I'm just assuming it was a stealth thread because of it. If Deltarune threads weren't getting deleted I would probably assume it was a regular mother thread.

>>736944054
you can't have your cake and eat it, but especially on /v/

>>736944172
the money issue? i'm talking about the hack and encore. i don't really have hopes for them considering what kind of people are working on both.

>>736944331
Who is it actually supposed to be?

>>736944561
(You)r great-grandfather. He's hidden in the deepest part of Maria's mind.

>>736944395
>Anon says "it's beat for beat"
>point out that it is not, in fact, beat for beat
I'll never object to people saying the Genocide route was based on/inspired by OFF, but to be so assertive in them being "beat for beat" shows how much of a secondary people who make those claims are.

>>736944490
>Which version
The remake, it has a lot of care and love put into it, original songs, designs and shit, supposedly they are currently working in ANOTHER remake which hopefully plays more like the main games.
But I like the remake well enough and think it stands on its own 2 feet enough to form part of my series headcanon
>Touhou Mother
Heard a bunch about it in the old days, never tried it.
Maybe its time to finally give it a shot. I have been interested in playing the touhou games anyway, aside of cherry blossom

>>736944546
They lowered the random encounter rate and upñed xp gains dramatically, but they didnt bother raising how much money you get
So you're broke most of the playthrough

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Would it be worth it to reRead the chosen four?
I feel like I may ruin it for me if I read it again nowadays.
Or the novels?

>>736944686
Would it be worth playing both v1 and v2 if they're different enough?

Apparently the remake adds some new stuff like new areas. I'm fine with playing the original since I'm assuming RPG Maker 2000 is less obsolete than NES JRPGs

Also this website contains both the original and remake, right?
http://cogdis.tazmily.com/

>>736931228
Recently I was thinking about the reason why I don't really like Undertale/Deltarune while my friends do
I think it's probably because I've played the MOTHER series and they haven't

>>736945328
>Website
Yeah thats the official site.
https://mother4ever.net/mother-cognitive-dissonance/
Theres also this fan project of it but I personally have not played it.
>Version
V2 is fine. Maybe if you really enjoy it you can venture into V1 to see how it started, the new content is mostly optional and some reworked story beats / side quests
And combat / UI stufd

>>736945623
they're not really the same in appeal even though one was inspired by the other, i've played both and like them for different reasons

>>736945623
Its mostly humor and writing style to be desu
Itoi is really good at writing this kind of stuff.
Toby is also good, but takes a completely different approach, and can be very obvious or unsubtle at times

>>736931228
Does anyone even like Roulx Kaard?

>>736946236
I do.

>>736945623
I have played Earthbound and I liked it. I also like Undertale and Deltarune.

>>736946236
I thought the laser pointer bit was funny. He's a very one-note character but I don't think his joke of being a pompous retard is bad, I'm sure some people find it really annoying though

>>736930679
I lost interest once I opened up the traintracks with the fireworks, is it worth finishing? old RPGs are so grindy

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>>736942742
>forced to sign in just to see nothing but zoomer trooner undertale crap and no discussion about Mother
>earthbound trooncord servers are filled with retarded undertale children
>/v/ has more undertroon threads than Mother

>>736946359
Its actually a fairly short game, and the story is good
But you have to keep in mind its an NES JRPG, so theres a bunch of random encounters, some stuff that could use some more work, etc.
Also you could get a bit lost

>>736946454
>Also you could get a bit lost
tbdesu this is part of it like I can just wander the overworld forever over-leveling and then getting so bored I fast forward through fights, then I get to a new area and something pushes my shit in

>>736930679
Consesus on Omori? Thought it had good stuff in it, but some segments are complete slog to get through.
Worth doing the alternate route?

>>736946510
>overlevel, move to new area and get your shit pushed in
The game is actually fairly balanced aside of the very very start and very very end, just make sure you get your party members fairly soon. The girl is a powerhouse and the nerd is alright too.
Also remember you can guarantee'd escape tough fights with 4th d slip, for free (I think)

>>736946402
>go on literally any discord server about any video game
>always that one autistic zoomer that posts ut/dt memes that no one ever acknowledges

>>736946510
>>736946654
As a tip
The bread item can be eaten or used
If used you set a point you can tp back to when needed
You also get teleport magic later on

>>736946654
>>736946816
thanks I'm taking notes for when I try to dive back in again, I figure I must be about halfway through

>>736946546
>Thought it had good stuff in it, but some segments are complete slog to get through.
This is pretty much the consensus. It's not terrible, but the poor pacing works against it, the separation between real world / headspace often feels like you're just waiting for the headspace section to end so you can get to what actually matters.
>Worth doing the alternate route?
It's a neat little side thing but I'd only do it if you're really invested in the characters / scenario. Otherwise having to replay most of the game to get to the unique shit just isn't worth it

>>736946546
I like consensual relationships!
once i knew the twist i didn't bother to check it out, it's a good twist but anons said dream worlds sucks so eh

>>736946842
If you want theres also the Starmen.net walkthrough you can use if you get stuck.
Has pretty much everything you may need to know and some tips. In case you get stuck or impatient with it.
And the game is somewhat open ended too, you can do a bunch of stuff out of order,

>>736946948
I find its a similar case to MOTHER 3, You can know the twist beforehand, bjt if you get invested in the story / characters, it can still have some impact on you.
That being said, I played both without knowing the twists beforehand

>>736944054
I heard there's a man in Magicant that has a song you may be interested in!

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>>736946794
>admitting to joining public servers

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What song is Queen Mary trying to remember?

>>736947857
>Queen Mary often has nightmares. She talks like she's punishing a naughty child, and then cries out about being afraid. She starts to sing a song, but only a short bit of it.

>>736948079

Psi brain blast mid lullaby
What a way to go, dealt from a creature barely learning how to love

>>736945623
I've played the whole Mother series and also Undertale and Deltarune and I still like them. They aren't even all that similar beyond surface level shit

>>736945947
>>736948351
I like MOTHER, UT and the first chaptwr of deltarune
But the second chapter was just a fucking unending unfunny slog, and got pushed away due to it feeling close to homestuck
Did I misjudge it?, am I missing out on something good?
Maybe I was a bit too harsh

>>736945947
>Toby is also good
LOL

>>736944903
giygas is cute

>>736930679
Anyone got any dank ass mother memes?

>>736936230
>I feel like he managed to clone the vibes pretty directly
Have you ever played Mother? What "vibes" is he cloning?

>>736948485
Chapter 4 is more like 1, but you will probably not like Chapter 3.
>>736948486
Yeah, Toby is. His games are good.

>>736949610
they ALWAYS say this too

sorry but i don't remember mother having a bunch of funny anime jokes straight out of SomethingAwful in 2010

>>736931228
he copied this too?

>>736937832
it kinda reminded me of smt too in how you could either kill or befriend your enemies.

>>736948485
you'll hate chapter 3 if you didn't like chapter 2, i hated it my first run but then it grew on me after 100% except shadow mantle, zelda 1 is absolute trash and not meant to be played that fast
chapter 2 was the best chapter solely for snowgrave route until chapter 4, chapter 4 is pure kino although i tend to skip the opening if i'm doing pacifist

>>736949610
>>736949705
nta but i'd say it has a simliar vibe with how all the characters are humanized and the overall """quirkiness""".

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>>736930679
damn. i made google's AI depressed.

Incelism is weird because it's sensible to touch on the topics of not having your shit together enough to find a partner but it's also damaging by leading to doubling down on bad choices.

>>736952156
:(

>>736952156
>I dont have a personal history
>A home to be forgotten in
>I am not here to be forgotten myself
Damn bro

>>736944903
I started rereading it after I learned it's not fucking finished a decade after I dropped it, holds up about as well as I remember

>>736943634
Genuinely why is the mod going full Hellfire on anything relating to Delta rune? I was actually interested in learning these things but. It's a fucking video game. On a board made for video games. What rule does it violate

>>736944629
You got any sources for this? I'm not doubting you I'm actually curious. I was looking at the Forgotten man a couple of weeks ago and I really do feel like it's going to have something to do with the G-Man

>>736953334
It's just autism, it wasn't even a week aftrr the most recent chapters before he started nuking threads

>>736951574
Mother 1 isn't particularly quirky. I'd describe it more as pulpy. The series starts off 90% pulp 10% quirk and by mother 3 is 90% quirk 10% pulp.

>>736953640
So there's no way to deal with this then. Do the moderators hold on to this power forever or do they cycle out after a certain period

>>736951574
>>736953730
yeah UT fans didn't play the games for sure. M1 is almost oppressive at times. makes you feel like an actual kid against insurmontable odds.

>>736953517
nta but it's fair to assume he might represent George since he returned to Earth without her, and she lost all memory of him until she heard the lullaby again. Then again, he says stuff that might not be applicable to George, like "I've always been alone since the moment I was born", so it's possible that he's just some kind of representation of a part of Maria's psyche, or feelings about George or even Giygas, rather than any specific character.

>>736953334
Because it came out the same day the switch 2 released and the friend of or a janny tried to get in contact with what they thought was a minor like 3 months after the game came out and got caught.

>>736953730
Mother 3 is comfortably atleast 25% pulp but the most notable bits are quirky

>>736953730
>>736955457
m3 is 50-50. but the most notable parts are the sad parts. you can tell because the most refernced part in smash is claus' death.

>>736953770
all mother games are oppressive at times. undertale also makes omega flowey and asriel feel like you're overcoming insurmountable odds.
sans as well to some extent but it's a different feeling because he dies once you hit him once.

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god, mother has some of the best random flavor text.
how's that mother 3 anniversary playthrough going, anons?

>>736945623
I liked both series, but yes they're different appeals altogether so liking one doesn't mean you'll like the other, your friends have a solid chance of just not liking mother games, they're niche for a reason

>>736946546
You accurately judged omori, the alt route is better just to look up because it's a lot of time for not THAT much payoff

>>736947305
In the case of Omori there's tons of things in retrospect that references the twist and almost spells it out, but is very easily disregarded, the actual game itself is just pretty mediocre outside of key sequences

>>736953334
Delta rune and Under tale are very divisive games here and everywhere else, people generally either suck it off or hate it with a burning passion
In general mods dislike it when games they don't like get regular threads, they have leverage to tell people to use the general and nuke shit they don't like

>>736957194
they're not that niche.

>>736947305
i knew every twist in mother 3 before i played it and still loved it. people overrate twists "ruining" things.

>>736958758
same. these games are about the journey

>>736958837
the wild twists are partly what interested me about mother 3. along with other things that interested me in general about the whole series.

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>>736930679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BKkaym5YyQ

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itoi's experience as a copyrighter gave him a writing boost for the mother scripts. it was his job to write attention grabbing text so of course his games will have good text as well.

>>736957509
>they have leverage to tell people to use the general and nuke shit they don't like
Genuine Reddit mod Behavior. The undertale Deltarune generals are an absolute mess. I wanted to learn about more of these little secrets like that little thing hiding behind the tree near the lake

>>736959334
>Pic
Always hits hard

>>736959141
What does this mean? Too tired to make sense of it