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>Sorry, we ran out of animation budget after making hundreds of billions.
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>"we cut half the pokedex out of the game so that we can make the ones remaining look even better!"
>copypastes the 3ds models to switch with almost no changes
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Gamefreak didn't make Pokemon Stadium
That's why it's actually good
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It's actually shocking how lazy Gamefreak has gotten and how consistently lazy they've been despite all complaints. They really truly do not give a fuck if it still sells.
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>>736940663
>creature with animal feet or no feet.
>kick moves have human foot impact effect
This annoys me to no end, they added footprints for every Pokemon and never actually used them
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>>736940663
the reason they make billions is because they understand budgeting better than you do
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>>736941095
>scam people to make money
Fvck off nigger righteous men dont do that
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>>736941089
>they added footprints for every Pokemon and never actually used them
That is really weird, now that I think about it... they could just use whatever black footprint sprite they had in the Pokedex depending on the Pokemon kicking but instead it's a human foot.
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>>736940663
Reminder that Satoru Iwata coded the battle system for this game in a week.
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>>736940725
It genuinely is amazing how Gamefreak got away completely with making such a bullshit statement. I really think Pokemon fans are worse than all of the other Nintendofags combined.
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>>736941515
because the majority of the pokemon "fanbase" are unironic NPCs that mindlessly consoooom on brand recognition alone
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>>736940725
They are different in SV.
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>>736940663
both these animations are completely unacceptable by any standard
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>>736941095
Pokemon makes so much from merch the game budget doesn't matter. Yet they want to squeeze as much out of the franchise without scary too many people off in as short a time as possible. I'd say it's short sighted but there is a large group of people who buy the games regardless of quality.
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>>736940725
Actually post-dexit has had noticably more changes to models, with every mon getting new texture work (scales, fur etc.) for Scarlet and Violet and some mons like Charizard and Mewtwo just getting entirely 100% new models.
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>>736940663
>bro stadium is a 30 years old n64 game what are you yapping ab-
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>all one thousand or whatever Pokmeon should have individual unique animations for the thousands of different moves, including the ones they would never realistically use under any circumstances
Why is /v/ so unbelievably disingenuous? Is it stupidity or malice?
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>>736941925
Someone is sincerely going to respond to you with "but le money" as if feature bloat isn't a thing, btw.
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>>736941925
Why shouldn't they all have unique moves and animations to encourage people to use them all and experiment? What else would their fucking effort be spent on?
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>>736941925
>unique animations
how about having an animation at all you niggercattle?
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>>736940663
Let's Go pikacha had a lot of soul.
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>>736941925
IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB FIRST OF ALL
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>>736941925
SV actually does play a little animation for moves like Double Kick now.
Pokeschizos still think we're in 2018 for some reason.
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>>736941925
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>>736941925
>why would gamefreak waste time wanting to give you a reason to watch to catch all the Pokemon?
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>>736941925
You're telling me across the thousands of Pokemon CG cartoons, games, and promotional materials produced for the IP, they couldn't tell any of those animators "hey, we're making a game, make Weedle do a jump kick and share the animation data with us." The proportions for cinematic models and in-game models can't be that wildly different
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>>736941075
>It's actually shocking how lazy Gamefreak has gotten
The original Game Boy games were in development for 6 years and were buggy messes that didn't push the 8-bit system's limits by any stretch of the imagination.

Game Freak has always been lazy and incompetent and anyone thinking they "suddenly" got worse is blinded by nostalgia over their childhood generation(s) of Pokemon games, or just genuinely blind and retarded.
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>>>/vp/
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>>736941075
meh look at how tendies will swarm these threads and defend gamefreak, and all the hype the upcoming game is getting after having miserable showings for a decade
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>>736941295
And I'll be forever grateful for that. The coding for RBY was basically held together with bubble gum and duct tape.

That's a separate thing from the animations though
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>>736940663
they just lazy and don't need to put in any effort anymore
people will buy pokemon games anyway regardless of effort
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>>736941925
>nooooo the largest media empire in the entire world is just a heckin' tiny indie dev they don't have the money to do animations!
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>>736941925
literal children who don't understand how the real world works
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Who sets the budget for the actual games? I know TPC makes billions from merch sales, but does GF get a good slice of that? Not trying to excuse them, but considering ZA's budget was reportedly around 13 million, it makes me wonder if the budgets are being severely choked in order to maximize profit for the games.
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>>736942934
GF owns a third of TPC just as Nintendo and Creatures Inc does so the profits are split evenly between the three, maybe they just insist on being the sole developer of the main series of games instead of any other party trying to shoot themselves in the foot
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They have a huge technical debt of too many pokemon. They would have to make unique animations for hundreds of models. They do have the money, though, to pay an army of jeets to do the animations, but gamefreak refuses to let anyone but them do work.
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Wasn't the point of going 3D was to make it "easier" on the animators/modelers so they could just reuse shit instead of making new ones for every game?
Attacks look really good in the new stadium game, but Pokemon animations keep taking like 10 steps back
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>>736941975
Feature bloat to a tendie is now having basic animations.
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You will buy it anyway. Why would they try? Pokemon fans are their own worst enemy. I was on /vp/ for the dex cut. people were trying to boycott and just gave in because they are that addicted to Pokemon. Y'all have a problem and Gamefreak knows it. They treat how they do because they know you'll always come back.
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>>736943752
5k basic animations
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>>736941925
>punch animation
>kick animation
>full body tackle animation
>beam animation
>projectile throw animation (e.g. Energy Ball, lobbed projectiles)
>couple general status move animations
>Fly/Dig/Surf animations for Pokémon that can learn that move
>a few unique animations for signature moves or otherwise iconic moves (e.g. giving Pikachu different animations for Thundershock and Thunderbolt)
There you go, a dozen or so animations per Pokémon, and you can reuse them for the next 20 years
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>>736941995
it would probably increase hdd space, probably best to keep it as a particle effect
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>>736943905
It took them over a decade to put markers on the models so that Blastoise can shoot water out of its cannons.
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>>736940663
When I was a kid I’d run out of the room when someone used guillotine and horn drill because I was scared of the sounds.
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ITT nothing but uneducated "idea guys" who have no clue how to code, know nothing about shaders and have no idea how talented the Game Freak devs truly are.
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>>736944004
how long does that for every pokemon?
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>>736941925
hahaha
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>>736942150
>>736942895
HAHAHAHAHA
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>>736944004
There's over a 1000 different pokemon. Let's say it takes a week to fully animate a pokemon and that's being generous. To get all those pokemon animated in a year it would take about 20 pokemon a week with little to no breaks or delays. If it takes 10 animators per pokemon to accomplish this, you need 200 animators. Now, pitch to big wig upper management that you need to find and hire 200 skilled animators to make the game better when people already buy the games without the animations.
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>>736944004
Too much effort! Just fucking have the model move upwards slightly and have a cartoon "THWACK!" effect appear over the target!
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>>736944210
>have no idea how talented the Game Freak devs truly are.
HAHAHAHAHA
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>>736944210
Animations have nothing to do with "code."
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>>736941075
Gamefreak has always had to be tard wrangled by Nintendo execs. Now less so considering retards will eat up whatever they shit out regardless of quality.
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>>736944342
>Animations have nothing to do with "code."
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>>736941925
>all one thousand or whatever Pokmeon should have individual unique animations for the thousands of different moves, including the ones they would never realistically use under any circumstances
yes.
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>>736944330
>Let's say it takes a week to fully animate a pokemon and that's being generous.
You aren't animating a fucking Pixar movie frame-by-frame, they would use keyframes like everyone else used to before motion capture took over everything. That would take maybe one day total to make all the animations for a Pokemon for one person, and then they just assign it to like 10 3D animators.
They can reuse these animations for everything else.
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>>736944330
>Let's say it takes a week to fully animate a pokemon
a day is generous. it would probably take like half an hour. all you need is some waving of the arms and legs then add projectiles like the first pokemon stadium did.

Pokefags are just like the wow nerds who would argue that blizzard needs your sub money because servers cost 300k a month to keep going then you find out there are private servers managed by russians who make 4$ a day operating out of their garage.
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>>736944450
Spoken like a Dunning–Kruger retard.
I bet you think Pokemon are "coded" in, too.
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>>736944210
>how talented the Game Freak devs truly are.
This is advanced trolling
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>>736944486
If it’s this easy why do all the Pokeclones generally have less animations per monster?
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>>736944481
>>736944486
You don't understand corporate processes. You have prototyping, revision, checks, approvals, more revisions, more checks to go through. I don't know why I am arguing with /v/ neets or zoomers who have never worked in an office/corporate environment.
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>>736944330
You know what would help is if the sole main line game creator for the largest franchise in the entire fucking universe had more than 30 full time employees.
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>>736941925
>Just consume product and get excited for next product
The modern tendie.
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>Hire someone whose sole purpose is making animations
>They don't make any animations because "it's too hard"
So what the fuck are they there for
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>>736944774
The good pokeclones don't, even indie devs like coromon or palworld are putting out games with better animation than gamefreak does.
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>>736941925
Not only the games don't feature all pokémon to begin with, but you can go a long way just by making some key animations that fit different moves, which was what stadium did, only a few signature moves had proper unique animations, but the 3D pokemon games not only have almost no animations for different attacks, but the ones they have are stiff and terrible
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>>736941925
Explain champions then. It has less pokes than stadium 2 yet still has much worse animations
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>>736945021
>coromon
Really dude it does less than Pokemon by a long shot
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>Pokefans: No! I want Gamefreak to save money and not make any animations for the battles!
mentally ill
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>>736945118
>but you can go a long way just by making some key animations that fit different moves, which was what stadium did, only a few signature moves had proper unique animations

This is literally how it works
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What's crazy is nobody has done better monbattle animations than this 30 year old uncslop digimon monster hunter every jrpg all stiff rigid trash
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>>736945123
the animations are good. what more do you want?
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>>736940663
i love the dropkick
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>>736940995
really? who were the developers?
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The Pokemon themselves actually have a lot of care put into the animations.
Just a random example from SV, Alcremie, has animations for:
>a couple of idle animations
>turning around
>walking and running
>coming out of the ball
>jumping
>sitting down
>sleeping
>eating
>roaring
>"shaking off"
>2 melee attacks
>2 ranged attacks
>light and heavy damage
>dizzy
>fainted (notably with a loop and getting back up animation)
>a few emotions (happy, sad, noticed)
The problem most of these NEVER play in a battle!! Pokemon don't run around to attack, they don't get dizzy when they're confused, they don't fall asleep! There are attack animations that are in the game but only ever used by raid bosses in the loss cutscene! YOU MADE ALL OF THESE, FUCKING USE THEM! FUCK!!
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>>736945616
in house nintendo
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>>736944210
>shaders
did you think throwing a random unrelated technical term would make you sound knowledgeable you fucking larper?
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>>736941925
Say what you want about them, but if Larian made Pokemon, this would be in the game at launch.
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>>736940663
Nothing has soul anymore.
Maybe the world really did end in 2012.
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>>736942290
soul
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>>736941925
If SMT can do it, why not?
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>>736945118
I remember all 3D games before X and Y remembering to make Hydropump come out of Blastoise's cannons and not its mouth.
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>>736945663
Wait what the hell that's even worse. Did the scripter forget to assign those to the in-battle animations?
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>>736941925
lmao you don't understand how animation works
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>>736945419
effects don't mean animation
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>>736946412
Something went very wrong at Game Freak when they were doing attack animations for SV, needing to make them work in an open world seemingly gave them brain damage
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>>736946412
Nta but using those in battle would create endless jank
>mon is in sleeping animation and uses sleep talk
>snaps into attacking animation
>gets hit
>snaps into taking damage animation
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>>736942595
Champions has no involvement from Game Freak. It still needs fixes but you're (for once) directing your anger at the wrong people. Game Freak sucks but ILCA are just straight up incompetent. Like they couldn't even program a CALCULATOR properly.

>>736945663
That's the huge issue with modern pokemon games and honestly modern Nintendo games for that matter. They have an INSANE amount of detail for obscure things but very little detail for the things you'll see 90% of the time. They're basically entirely wasting dev time on things nobody is gonna see which is why all the games are shit.
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Notice how nobody ever posts ZA animations to shit on GameFreak.
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I turns off animations to save time in turn based games
another case of things not effecting me personally
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>>736947336
Incoming samefag response in 3…2…1…
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>>736945419
>slap to punch icon
>canned spin animation
lol
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>>736941925
One animation for special attacks and one for physical attacks would be enough, no one thinks every single Pokemon needs a unique animation for how it personally uses Ember.
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>>736947787
It already works that way
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>>736948531
Making the model wiggle slightly doesn't count as an animation.
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>>736948569
“Wiggle” moves are intentionally coded to do that in lieu of or accompanying the default animation for the type of attack it is
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>>736941925
Just ignore that Blastoise never used his actual cannons on any mainline pokemon 3d game, only in spinoffs
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Why do I see what are obviously the same people in multiple Pokemon threads over the course of like 6+ months pretending not to understand how Pokemon are animated, having it explained to them, and then just doing the exact same thing in the next thread?
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>>736944885
>You have prototyping, revision, checks, approvals, more revisions, more checks to go through
Yea, it clogs the process and makes it very slow. They should just not do that to save on time
>I don't know why I am arguing with /v/ neets or zoomers who have never worked in an office/corporate environment
Yup, and proud of it too
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>>736941873
For Scarlet sure, but not for the game they made that statement for
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>>736949058
>”people questioning GF’s laziness and not defending them?”
>”no, it must be the exact same people being disingenuous because i’m obviously right”
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Reminder that according to the Gamefreak leaks, Nintendo was begging Gamefreak to accept help from Square Enix or Namco and Gamefreak insisted it could handle things by themselves
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>>736940663
SOVL vs SOVL
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>>736949307
I have seen the exact same faggot pretending Pokemon don’t have attack animations and “just wiggle” in many threads lol
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>>736949058
Probably why you see the same group of corporate cock sucking retards in these threads defending a franchise to squeeze out every ounce of profit they can like they are on the director's board.
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>>736949384
They're truly dedicated slopmakers. I can respect that.
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>>736941925
1. They shouldn't have made so many fucking pokemon if they didn't want to spend the time giving unique sprites/animations/models/textures.

2. The reason they switched to 3D models in 2013 was to be able to reuse the models across multiple games/media so they would be able to spend more time on animations and other aspects of the games. The original 3D models were actually high poly and rigged properly, so they could have hired multiple studios to work on animating them simultaneously for XY. Even if the XY games lacked animations, they should have been able to re-use the models for gen 7 and 8 and had time to add more animations for battling.

3. They fill the game with bloat features that require each pokemon to have 2-3 unique animations. PokeAmie & Camping in SwSh. That was a primary reason for the dex cut, not battling.

4. They are the most profitable media franchise in the world. The main series games that the entire franchise is built around gets less budget than some "indie" games. They don't need to go bankrupt to make the games, but they can spend more than $10mil when they know they are going to make 60x that in the first month of launch.

5. Fuck you. I remember when we actually shat on bad games and lazy developers instead of worshipping them because of consolewarring.
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>>736949462
You have absolutely no way to prove that and I simply don’t believe you. All but certain that your definition for “the exact same faggot” encompasses like 50 different anons
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>>736944330
They can outsource the animating to a thousand other competent studios. Doesn't even have to be a game studio, any SFX/CGI/Anime studio could do the work. All the models are rigged and the animations can just be exported into the engine.

Organizing and assigning those animations would be a pain, but still a minority of work compared to the actual animating process. They're a billion dollar franchise, they already outsource the work for these games. They just do it as cheaply as possible.
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>>736944530
How do you think the animations get triggered you mashed potato brained retard?
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>>736950295
Moves have animations associated with them. There is no coding involved.
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>>736950353
They are associated via code, dipshit
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>>736945616
HAL Laboratory, they also did Stadium 2.
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>>736950393
They're actually not.
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>>736950542
Prove it
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>>736945663
not to drift praise to something else, but it says something when games like palworld can give their creatures special animations despite being underexperienced, yet a studio like gamefreak that's been around for like 15 years can't even do that despite making billions a year
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Why make an effort when the nintenigger will eat any shit that's dropped on its plate regardless?
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>>736950590
Prove they are.
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>>736945419
Compared to Stadium 1 and 2 those look shit lmao. No impact or anything to them
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>>736944210
finally a post worth a damn, thank you king

i stand with gamefreak
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>>736940663
God that's fucking dire
It's really fucking dire
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>>736946586
Something no one gets is how much longer battles are because of these animations. Play the games where this animation comes from and realize just the time spent looking at Pokemon do stuff like this vs gameplay.
Yes, they are pretty and good to look at but once you see that for hundredth time and want battles to be quicker you want snappier and to the point animation rather then things like that which would repeat every time and waste time.
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>>736945663
>they don't fall asleep!
the sleep animation doesn't play when effected by the sleep status?
same for dizzy when confused?
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>>736944210
>idea guys
Not being lazy and miserly cunts certainly is an idea, but I would have thought it's one Gamefreak could have come up with themselves by now
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>>736951124
>games nowadays have sped animation toggle
>you can turn off animations in every mainline game
if I wanted to play a fast turn base pkm game there's showdown for that
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>>736951124
>Get sick of animations
>Toggle animations off
Wow that was hard.
Pokemon games are slow as fucking molasses already by the way, so what's the difference?
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>>736951439
>>you can turn off animations in every mainline game
>>736951483
>Toggle animations off
Anons...
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>>736940663
I just play romhacks now, polished crystal is pretty good so far.
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>>736950542
>>736950353
you are a massive fucking triple nigger just fyi
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>>736951560
Polished Crystal has cool engine enhancements, but the linearity ruins it.
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>>736942595
>didn't push the 8-bit system's limits
sir, your 150 party members?
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>>736951124
>Yep, i want my game to come with bland and comp with sweats that makes winning boring

i would've agreed with the opinion if it wasn't the fact this game isn't like chess a that doesn't need animation since its just queens and kings, BUT....if it was chess i would agree with this but this is pokemon a game that requires you to sit through the same grueling pain of sitting through of swapping out and setting up combos like solar flare and growth every time, unironically if pokemon wasn't a turn based pvp game I'm pretty sure these criticism wouldn't exist, since everyone sees the game version as the anime version so it pretty much disappoints people when they can't add any flair to the game to keep someone hooked on it, shiny hunting and raid battles already do that but once they get bored of that, the game gets abandoned, also whats stopping you from asking them to make a toggle for animations also SHOWDOWN IS RIGHT THERE RETARD dont give money to ILCA either.
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>>736951546
SV is the only game that doesn't allow you to turn those off, even allowing you to use shift or set for some fucking reason
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>>736951393
A lot of these animations are locked to stuff like Camping, Pokemon Amie, etc. The sort of things a lot of players don't engage with (myself included)
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>>736940663
What the fuck...
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>>736940663
>Supine to standing dropkick
God damn Snorlax is a fucking BEAST
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>hourly Nintendo Derangement Syndrome thread
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>>736951668
It may not be chess but over the course of an entire game it starts to lose it's luster and turns into noise.
The fact we eventually get used to things and it goes from "cool" to "can this go a little faster" is enough if a reason to simplify at least a little. I would personally love more animations for things that doesn't require to be in a turn to be seen like sleeping and confusion but in terms of actual battles it needs to be quicker.
I have done the Mt. Battle shit enough times to know that no matter how cool it looks when I'm inside the volcano and battles are dead simple the last thing I want to look it is prolonged fainting animations I have already seen a good number of times.
If they kept that wow factor constantly that would shift my opinion but they really don't.

>SHOWDOWN IS RIGHT THERE
I play comp but I don't only play comp. I genuinely enjoy the series and have lots of fun with it's various aspects including ribbon collecting and shit. It's not about impatience and it's not about comp it's about just wanting the game ti keep moving forward without slowing down that much.
"Flow" I guess is another way to put it. Keep a good flow.
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>There's too many pokemon for them to give them good animations now!
Ok but Pokemon Battle Revolution has more pokemon in it than Champions and yet has far better animations and presentation
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>>736951870
Is this a bot? who genuinely thinks this image has any substance besides the fact it makes not one lick-of-sense besides making the poster look like an autistic retard, also why isn't nintendo fans there since they pretty much shit up discussion alongside sony fans
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>>736941925
AI will make it possible in a few years. This includes having different variations depending on who the opponent pokemon is too.
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>>736941095
You sure it’s not from the multi media surrounding the games that allow it to make billions of dollars?
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Game freak can make good games as long as its not pokemon
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>>736952905
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1183510/Little_Town_Hero/

Absolutely not true, game freak is the luckiest development company that has ever existed getting exclusive rights as the pokemon developer because they are dogshit and extremely lazy. 6 years later and couldn't even get 15 people to review this crap. These are the morons the tendies are defending.
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>>736952183
don't get me wrong i agree some moves don't need to be animated but it makes no sense to make the game a bland pvp game, if you wanted that, you might as well be playing the tcg game instead since its only card art just like yugioh md but even so, they've add animations sometimes to the card arts which adds excitement to the match which gives off the feeling that your opponent is fucked, and its not even too long so why can't the pokemon company do that?

and honestly yes but it keeps the flow in the game, but it doesn't mean you can't add flair to your game, all that does is make your game bland as shit and not really special to any other turn based pvp game, also that's just one of the million problems with Champions besides being made by ILCA and the fact triple battles aren't there
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>>736940663
the latter game sells far more copies, so why would they bother putting in any more effort?
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>>736947185
That's because there are none to post.
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>>736940663
they have no incentive to make better games because they make bazillions of dollars on the half cooked turds they serve out anyway. why hire more animators to churn out attack animations for every pokemon when all it'll do is cut into their bottom line? if you haven't stopped buying into pokemon yet I don't know what to tell you
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>>736940663
ya wanna know why that one looks so good? because it wasent made by gamefreak
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Am I a tendie if I like some Nintendo games but I am critical of them still? Don't get me wrong though, I hate how lazy Game Freak has gotten.
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if an autism can "speed run" pokemon for decades, you can get your pokemon fix trying one of the dozen games you haven't played
i recommend pokemon TCG on GBC, i can't imagine playing a card game IRL where you have tokens or chips or pebbles or dice, not being tedious
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>>736942290
The worst part isn't that they buy it, it's that they are in threads like this defending new Pokémon games.
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>>736953818
If you aren't buying the all newest releases at full price and praising everything Nintendo, you are a SNOY, apparently.
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>>736953239
I am pretty sure they were betting on the Undertale fans to buy it up since Toby Fox worked on it. But nope, that didn't happen.
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>>736940663
looking back, grimer looks pretty amazing, doesn't it?
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>>736953818
"Tendies" and GameFreakfags are two complete different entities
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>>736953818
It sounds like you seethe at Nintendo and have more in common with snoys than an actual Nintendo fan, so no.
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>>736955449
>snoy desperately trying to divide Pokémon fans and other Nintendo fans
Sad.
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>>736940663
This thread was made by Eric. He's a snoy and a massive GameCube fanboy that's been spamming /v/ with anti-Nintendo pedaling for a good decade. He's a weekly villain in Famitsu threads and he reports them over and over for calling him out or for spreading facts he thinks needs to be hidden from /v/ (namely sales of Nintendo hardware and software compared to PlayStation and Steam Deck).

If you see posts saying GameCube games are better than Switch games, it's Eric. If you see posts saying Sonic CrossWorlds is better than MK World, it's Eric. If you see the same posts sucking Iwata's dick, it's Eric. If you see the same anti-Nintendo threads popping up over and over, it's Eric. If you see the same posts shilling piracy and emulators, it's Eric. If you see someone denying the existence of Eric and calling him a made-up boogeyman, it's Eric. If you see someone unironically using terms like "tendies" or "Switchfags" and making hyperbolic statements, it's Eric. If you see a red OP image with a Nintendo-related thing, asking some dumb open question, it's Eric. If you see the same repeated lines over and over again, it's Eric samefagging. If you see a massive wall of replies to one post, it's Eric samefagging himself, they'll all be a minute apart. He's always resetting his router and ban evading, and flooding the catalog, and he's got at least a few gigabytes of CP to end any thread that isn't going his way.

He's also a massive Ocarina of Time fanboy that was so buckbroken by BoTW's commercial and critical success that he's determined to make it the most despised game in history, he wants to change the narrative and reverse the damage against him.
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>>736954014
>>736955491
Oh, huh. I thought that buying some of the games and enjoying some of the games made you a tendie. I am kinda surprised to hear that. There are some series that are Nintendo exclusives that I find are great, but I will leave my constructive criticisms too for the games I enjoy.
>>736955449
I understand your point but the thing is people on this thread seem to use them interchangeably.
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do you think they'll actually get to 10,000 pokemon or was that just a bluff?
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>>736941075
Here's the thing, GameFreak was always a C-grade shovelware developer. Pokemon games were far from ever being technical masterpieces, but a lot of the early problems were excused because of the hardware limitations of the time. It's not that GameFreak got lazy with time, they were always shit developers who simply got lucky, but never bothered improving to match the success of their golden goose.
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>>736941095
only in the short term, but they've managed to tank the Pokemon esteem thanks to the "budgeting". Every new game gets a little less players and a little less hype.
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>dude what if we used the x and y models again
>remember Sky battles???
>no we can't put every Pokemon in the game, we have to copy and paste the same models multiple times with small changes so that we can bloat the file size
>no we can't turn off the exp share
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Why don't they hire 1000 different animators to be assigned to each Pokemon?
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>>736955687
The "honesty" tap has dried out long ago
It's nothing but shitposting here and absolutely trash captchas.
Only madman continue to put with this garbage heap
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>>736956523
You can't just expect the billion dollar game company with essentially 1 game, to spend a little extra money on that one game. Think of all the poor producer-sans that would go hungry.
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>>736956523
I figure it would lead to complications
>gotta find 1,000+ different animators who are looking for a job
>gotta vet all of them individually to ensure they’re skills are up to snuff
>need the space for all of them to be able to work (and if not then why not just have some people work on multiple?)
>need a bunch of extra staff to vet their works cause no way in hell is a dozen guys gonna be able to go through everything without having people wait weeks until they get to them
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>>736955687
don't reply to the two you repied on the top they're bots made to shitpost most likely from some discord group, they but nintendo fans are super hypocritical when it comes to game critique that they would be biased for the game they love instead of understanding the criticism like games i like, like crackdown or dust 514.
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>Battles still take forever because gorillion texboxes and HP calculating AFTER damage
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>>736955531
pokefags divide amongst themselves, retard.
you dont have to be a snoy to see it
It doesn't make your cope any better
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>>736941515
>Pokemon fans are worse than all of the other Nintendofags combined.
They're just advanced tendies.
The Nintendo autism and pokemon autism combines into something truly reprehensible and shameless.
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>>736955449
I feel like Im the only one left who is both
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>>736941925
Funnily enough, Digimon Story Cyber Sleuths/Time Stranger solved this. Every Digimon has a set of generalized animations for different skill categories, instead of every skill getting their own unique one. So you have just one physical animation, one magic animation, and one support skill animation for each species, plus one or two unique animations per species for their signature moves.
It's not ideal, but it is an acceptable concession compared to Game Freak's total lack of effort.
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>>736945419
>those are your cherry picked """""good""""" animations
This has to be bait.
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I could make peace with the first two, but the pikachu kick is fucking unforgivable
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>>736958472
Pokemon also have multiple attack animations per species though?
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>>736949904
>The original 3D models were actually high poly and rigged properly
I actually picked up a pokemon game for the first time since gold/silver when I saw they were finally making the jump to 3D, and gave them a pass on the horrible framerate in X/Y because it made sense to go overboard on models you intend to reuse for a long time.
Maybe there had been a legitimate plan for the effort, but all the actual talent and passion at Nintendo has been dying off or leaving for years.
They've got no one respectable left.
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>>736941925
The replies to this constantly reiterating solutions to the problem that Game Freak have already been employing for years really drives home that most of the people whining about this issue haven't even looked in the periphery of the franchise for a long time and are parroting parroted opinions like a crude game of telephone
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>>736955601
Grrrr Eric-Sama
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>>736958538
Pokemon gives the animation to the attack, not the pokemon.
So every pokemon has as many "animations" as it has moves, but every attack animation has to be generic as fuck since they can't take any specific 'mon's anatomy into account barring the rare unique move locked to one 'mon.
It's why so many of them are full body movements or transformations into generic shapes that remove the individual pokemon entirely, with one generic attack animation that plays for basically any physical strike.
Digimon tying them to the 'mons means they get to take advantage of their individual anatomy to add character to the animations, while the generic attacks just get some variations in special effects on hit.
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How has the nigger who calls everyone who criticizes nu-tendo a snoy not been banned yet?
>You like [insert Nintendo game that came out before anon was born]? You're a snoy obviously
It doesn't even make sense
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>>736959507
>why haven't they've been banned
it's because janny's can't add "snoy" or "eric" to the list of autobanned words otherwise all the bot farms they host on here would immediately die out, and /v/ will lose its traffic losing the ad money.
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>>736959097
I dont think I would like this approach. Imagine attacks like Shadow Sneak, Ice Spinner, Swords Dance, Extreme Speed etc. no longer having unique animations when they are such a big part of their identity.

You are also ignoring the animation they use for beam or projectile attacks which is equivalent to the generic physical animation.
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>>736941925
They didn't have that, even in Pokemon Stadium. But they had some generic ones for most types of moves that they had (punching, kicking, beams, etc) that fit in the majority of use cases, with only a handful of oddities. You can streamline the process for a few hundred pokemon, depending on how their models are rigged.
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>"Bulbasaur used tackle!"
>attacks with vine whips
>"Bulbasaur used vine whip!"
>tackles
I genuinely stopped playing X/Y when I saw this
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>>736940663
For me it was their lazy port of frlg where they made their soft reset incredibly easy to mistakenly press. Everything about that lazy port pisses me off, actually.
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>>736951741
How can one SNORLAXMAXX
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SMALL MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANY
PREASE UNDERSTAND
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>>736941925
Watch the full movie clip.
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>>736945616
It was Iwata again.
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>>736941925
>several moves have "beam" in the name
>give mons a "beam shooting" animation
>several moves have "kick" in the name
>give mons a "kick" animation
>most generic "shield" or random status moves could easily share an animation with each other
Right now they just shake and swivel around on the spot, even if all "kick" moves had a "punch" instead it would be fine compared to nothing having anything as is the case now. It just looks shit. Pokemon makes enough money that they can hire some people to churn out animations once or twice every generation, asset creation for pokemon should be MUCH better streamlined and planned than it is for one of japans most valuable companies.
>Plan X mons per gen, start pumping out models and animations at the required quality for that gen
>keep those models and animations around for re-use, people wouldn't complain as much if the pokemon looked good and had animations consistently
Any competent company would be doing much more, Gamefreak are literally serially incompetent I'm amazed Nintendo let them carry on like this
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>>736940725
3DS models were made with future expansion in mind, and were way, WAY too big for 3DS itself. There's a reason why SuMo runs at cinematic 20 fps.
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>>736944004
>>Fly/Dig/Surf animations for Pokémon that can learn that move
Your retarded post doesn't realize that every pokemon can use EVERY MOVE.
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>>736940663
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>actually animations SHOULD be really long-winded to make battles, even against wild Pokemon, even longer
>they should also all have unique, long-winded animations for each move!
The same asinine bullshit as "they should bring back Copy Ability fusions for Kirby again AND give each combination a full moveset". Crystal Shards had, what, 7 abilities that only did 1 thing each, and all the combos produced 35 things that only did 1 thing each. There are about 20 Copy Abilities per game now, more or less. Developing almost 400 different sets with that number getting exponentially larger with each new one is ridiculous. That shit was viable with a much smaller pool and much shallower depth. Earlier games in the Pokemon franchise could include each move and each species. Because there were fewer of each, meaning fewer combinations to figure out. Introduce a new move, you have to distribute it across the ever-growing roster of over 1000. Introduce a new species, you have to give it a selection of up to 900 moves. That was never sustainable, and every other long-running series where you collect monsters (Megaten, Digimon, etc.) came to the same conclusion, that they couldn't have every monster in every game, much sooner. As pretty as SMT V:V looks with all its animations, many still use the same animations and models from the PS2 era, which already was full of reused skeletons and animations. It is also missing hundreds and hundreds of demons that have not seen the light of day for up to 40 years. Bloat is a thing. It's unfortunate, but that's the end result of continuing to add more everything. It's not additive, it's multiplicative.
FUCK Champions though because it can't even be functional as a battle sim. ILCA needs to burn the fuck down.
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>>736941925
It's been 3 decades. They had all the time in the world to do this while they were shitting out new gens.
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>>736950121
>just outsource more bro
Eat shit and die.
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>>736941191
But righteous men often don't often have lots of zeroes in their bank account
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>>736957795
And faggots want it to take even longer because Caterpie should take 5 seconds to wind up a Tackle.
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>>736962682
The ones that can't use a move normally and use something like Metronome or Copycat to use it would just default to baisic animations.
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>>736956523
Gotta hire 'em all!™
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>>736941219
>implying a pokemon's feetprints were carried over into future games
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>>736963059
i dunno anon, i have a LOT of zeros in my bank account.
would be nice to have anything BUT zeros some time
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>>736959971
>You are also ignoring the animation they use for beam or projectile attacks which is equivalent to the generic physical animation.

He already knows this he just wants to exhaust you by making you explain it to him while he repeatedly pretends to not understand, he is not actually complaining about animations he’s complaining about the dex cut and sees animations as an acceptable attack vector
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>>736941925
Listen here you triple nigger. There has never been ONE fucking game where they offer ALL pokemon up to that generation. All of them always have ~200 pokemon.

Now, if you made custom animations for those 200 and then on the next game did the same thing, you will end up with most of the pokedex with decent animations. But they are not doing that, instead they are jewing out every autist that buys their games with varely any expectation of improvement other than "muh new gen"
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>>736940663
The best Pokemon games are colosseum and gale of darkness
I don't blame them they obviously want to do other things but it's just gonna sell whatever they do
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>>736941975
>feature bloat
>When each game has less content than the last
>When the games are about what's missing instead of what's new
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pokemon has had a studio with dozens of 3dcg artists that do nothing but model, rig and animate every pokemon for over a decade now
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>>736941925
No game has ever launched with all the pokemon ever created, scarlet/violet launched with less than 400.
And they can and would reuse these animations forever. Same animations have been in use since 3ds.
So yes, I would expect the most profitable franchise in the world to be able to execute this kind of task.
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>>736950353
>There is no coding involved

Then how do beams fire from different positions of different Pokemon's bodies without it being coded to do so?
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>>736944481
You would just animate a skeleton one time and them overlay the pokemon. Every humanoid pokemon could use the same animation for instance. It really doesn't need to take forever.
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>736944210
>talented
>the Game Freak devs
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>>736944210
Weak bait and stop projecting. I just coded a plate tectonics continental simulation
GF is lazy as fuck. You can get procedural and AI animations today for near-free. Years ago I was struggling with cleaning up shit I had recorded with a Kinect. It's gotten exponentially easier.
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>>736945663
i will never understand why all the pokemon have fucking sleeping animations that are just.. not used in battle. what the fuck? its one thing to refuse to do work but why not use the sleep animations they made at least??
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>>736962745
its honestly scary to see people like you who dont understand speed up settings or turning animations off both exist in games
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Why bother with actually putting effort into your product when the fans will eat it up anyway?
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>>736965641
Just like Game Freak, apparently.
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Game Freak should make a unique animation for when a Pokemon is idling on the field for a moment or for when they faint.
>NOOOOO THAT WOULD TAKE LE TOO MUCH TIME!!
Sike, they already did that.
Make unique move animations you lazy fuckers.
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Why did they just stop bothering completely after Battle Revolution?
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>>736941925
every yugioh game used to launch with 700+ monster cards (and increasing every game) and 2 attack animations+hurt+death+idle+intro when summoned+victory animation for each monster even back in the ps1 era but that's too much to ask from the wealthiest most popular franchise in history
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>>736963149
That defeats the whole point then.

>>736964114
>>736964750
All the games up to SWSH had them retards.
>but you can't catch them ingame
You transfer them from the previous game.
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>>736966997
But they have all of those outside victory.
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>>736966997
Pokemon simply doesn't have the money for this, please understand.
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>>736958353
That sounds almost too scary to even imagine
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>>736940663
I like dumb pokemon stadium faces
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>>736940663
Stadiums to Pokemon Champions is so bad, they give no fucks
https://youtu.be/r0ogFIMk5t4?si=RT6GPKGTgpA--8Fm
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>>736966997
They only did that for two games though. That said they did give the option to skip all that so any Anon who brings up how it slows down a game has nothing to say.
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>>736969104
>signature moves
>fiery dance, infestation
Does the uploader even know what a signature move is?
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>>736942636
pokemon is a videogame, anon chama
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>>736940663
I had so much hope for the future after playing Pokemon Stadium, Pokemon Gold, Majora's Mask, and Perfect Dark. Why did everything have to go to hell around the time the PS3 released.........?
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>>736969104
Champions are just slightly modified SwSh/SV animations, so disappointing
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>>736941515
>I really think Pokemon fans are worse than all of the other Nintendofags combined.
They're literally the exact same cancer now. The switch era has completely merged both fanbases.
See mario galaxy movie apologists and famitsudrones, tendies are using the EXACT same copes that poketards have been using for 2 decades
>MUH IT'S FOR KIDS
>MUH IT SOLD BETTER
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>>736969104
>Decidueye doesn't shoot the Spirit Shackle from his bow-wing
sad
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>>736957795
>Play PLA
>Battles are snappy, pokemon approach each other for physical moves, player character isn't locked during and can physically run away from the battle to end it
>Play SV
>Right back to bulky cumbersome bullshit
WW better fucking take some lessons
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>>736969586
The bar is so low, all WW needs to do is run at a stable 30 FPS and have no major bugs. Easy 25 million sales. Meanwhile the game will be $70, look like a product from 2010, have no voice acting, and lock 200 Pokemon behind paid DLC.
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>>736969104
>Jesus that shitty Water Shuriken animation
These faggots are regressing with animations what the fuck
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>>736969586
>PLA
>battles
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>>736941925
what's stopping them from doing what marvel rivals did and just slapping the same animation data on every character
all you have to do is properly tag the model skeleton so the system knows which part's the arm, which parts the head and so on and it will make the animation file work. this way they could have every character in the game use one handmade animation with no extra work
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>>736970908
Yeah, you'd fight alphas and stuff. Trainer battles had the normal battle camera though.
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>>736970979
Pokemon body shapes are more varied.
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>>736971287
you can literally see a fish there dancing. and if there was a tiny amount of jank it doesn't matter people fucking love jank and way more than having nothing
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>>736971386
Yeah that's great for the funny mascot character in a shitty Overwatch clone
But the setting is about 80% of pokemon's appeal, so making the pokemon act as expected is greatly preferred. I don't want my spider pokemon to have the same animation as an abstract totem bird.
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>>736971583
ok enjoy your pokemon statues floating 1 foot in the air and a PNG appearing on the enemy pokemon then
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>>736941925
Champions would have been a great opportunity to give them all these animations in waves, if it wasn't just a cheap scam.
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>>736971665
They cut down on the pokedex for "models and animation" in the first place, they should just be working on that instead of trying to use shitty shortcuts
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At the very least, the mons in Wind and Waves should have an entire new assortment of cries instead of weird bit crunched screeches and gurgles
And redo some of the uglier shinies while they're at it
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>>736941075
>despite all complaints
>SV are the second best selling games in the series
There will never EVER be a better fit for this meme than Pokemon, EVER.
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Did you know there was a Pokemon Stadium 0.5 that we never got in the west and it had half the Pokemon?
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>>736955601
Man look at that dude. Look at the top of his head, oh no no no
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>>736942595
There was a brief span when "slave driver" Masuda was making them actually do work from the end of Gen 2 development through the beginning of Gen 6 development where they actually did make a good finished product at least.
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SV was complete horseshit
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>>736940663
Its too expensive
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>>736940725
>>736941515
>>"so that we can make the ones remaining look even better!"
>It genuinely is amazing how Gamefreak got away completely with making such a bullshit statement.
Game Freak never actually said that. Twitter defense force retards made that up as the reason for dexit, and just made their opponents angrier.
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>>736973287
not to divert this thread into a palworld thread or any etc thread, but I'm confused why pokemon fans would be that harsh on other inexperienced devs from other monster tamers, like the devs from digimon, spectrobes, palworld and stuff like tem tem but won't ever lift a finger at pokemon when they're games are as well low quality, it also doesn't help that gamefreak has been around for 15 years+ it gives the feeling that pokemon fans are biased towards quality when it least benefits them just like right now with champions with people starting the whole #ISTANDWITHGAMEFREAK despite not even being made by them but the ILCA.
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>>736941075
it's always been pretty consistent that the spinoff games they didn't make themselves have better quality than the main series, even in the beginning
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>>736973719
Because a "bad" Pokemon is better than all of those. Pokemon is one of the most brilliant game concepts that will ever be conceived, no amount of sour grapes will change that.
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>>736941219
they've never used the footprint for ANYTHING in the series except for one singular ribbon, but the actual design of the footprint is irrelevant

>>736942665
although they mostly fixed it, they didn't technically fix the gen 1 miss glitch. instead what they did is they had the game roll twice for accuracy which means there was STILL a chance for a 100% accurate move to miss, albeit a much much smaller one.
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>>736945419
>pokefags consider this good.
Grim
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>>736951682
you can't turn them off in any of the battle simulator games
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So is there a reason for the most Indian approach to a video game environment that I've evern seen or should GameFreak be ashamed of its words and deed?
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>>736942595
>didn't push the 8-bit system's limits by any stretch of the imagination.
This is just straight up wrong. They're buggy BECAUSE of the magic they had to do to make it all fit into the cartridge.
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is really no one gonna take gamefreak's side on this?
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>>736972616
OH LAWD
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>>736972326
I believe it had every fully evolved pokemon plus pikachu. While it is nice to have all of them, there is no significant reason why they NEEDED to include anything that isn't fully evolved. In the full version, the rental pokemon are balanced in a way so that all stages are basically equal in power. Charmander has high IVs and EVs than Chzarizard as well as having better moves, so Charizard isn't necessarily better than Charmander.

The only exception to this is when you're transferring in your own pokemon.
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>>736975198
this was proven wrong before the game even launched
how out of date can you be?
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>>736973719
>but I'm confused why pokemon fans would be that harsh on other inexperienced devs from other monster tamers
Modern pokefags don't do that. It's the exact opposite in fact. They latch on to other monster catcher games to attack Gamefreak with.
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>>736963149
There are pokemon who have animations that are normally impossible to see because they don't have any moves that use them. Aerodactyl has a unique animation for earthquake in Stadium 1 which it can't actually learn, even though TM. I think venusaur and some other pokemon have things like that too.
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>>736975413
>I-It was deboonked!
Sorry anon, but all I'm getting from searches is that this came from datamining the literal game.
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>>736941095
>just accept shitty products because ummm its better for the ceo and the shareholders who are my gods btw!!!!!!!!
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>>736966997
Based YGOChad.

>>736969142
4 games, Capsule Monsters and Falsebound Kingdom too.
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>>736947026
Sun and Moon had walking and running animations for every single pokemon which are literally never used anywhere, since following pokemon aren't a thing, and there are no features that need them.
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The bad animations would be a lot more palatable if the battles didn't have so many needless textboxes. Like we really don't need the game to pause to tell us the fire move was effective on the grass pokemon

Like here's a mockup with the bottom being the changed version. There's nothing inherently wrong with turn-based combat but this is just so boring to sit through. I don't even bother with strategy most of the time since that'd just make battles take longer. Leftovers, status conditions, those take so long to play out with the text boxes
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>Colosseum not made by gamefreak
>Battle Revolution not made by gamefreak
it all makes sense now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28CgyvTu_-U
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>>736975595
Nta
It’s used for a digital representation at the beginning of the game and as a model city at an in game museum it’s not the actual map
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>>736951870
you just know this is made by a tendie because literally nobody talks about nor gives a shit about palworld anymore. assmad faggot consoomer lmao
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>>736952497
and surprise surprise, it wasn't developed by gamefreak
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>>736975853
Is there any source that the game doesn't actually load up the entire map?
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>>736975749
Speed all that up, then add a battle log for speds who can't read so fast.
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>>736975595
all of those are likely getting their information from the exact same source. this is a problem in journalism. one person reports false information, and every other outlet just gets their information from that exact same incorrect source.

people just mindlessly believe it because they want to shit on gamefreak for literally everything, instead of the things that are valid to criticize. which is exactly what you are doing. There is a miniature model of Lumiose in the museum. That model has to exist separately in the data, and the museum model is so small, that it needs to be one model to itself because you can see the entire thing all at once.
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Don't care. Fuck off. It's not supposed to be "good".
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>PBR
>good
animating is hard lmao
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>>736976038
Yeah it's called using your fucking eyes and seeing that the city isn't one big model. You can't disprove that there is no tomato orbiting the Earth, either.
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>>736977330
you can't convince anti pokefags of anything that they didn't need any proof to believe. these retards still believe a lot of the "glitches" we saw coming from BDSP and SV were actual issues within the game, when the truth was that they were exlusive to an unoptimized emulator, and not anything that was happening on official hardware.

yet that doesn't actually matter to them and even when they ask for proof, they deny or ignore any proof you give them anyway.
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Can I import GB rom pokemon to a emulated version of stadium? That'd be a fun decomp to have, with added online play.
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>>736978059
yes, I believe project64 has had this capability for a long time now.
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>>736974905
>>736975451
the only answer they could come up with is "POKEMON GOOD, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT ISN'T POKEMON BAD!!!" certainly, a way to prove my point, the fact pokemon was mainly still around because was entrenched all those 20+ years ago and was carried by its anime and merchandising is kind of funny.
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>>736941925
I r8 this b8 8/8, good job.
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>>736978225
Did you have a schizo moment? You didn't seem to read my post.
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>>736940663
Champions is so garbage lol
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>>736940663
>151 pokemon vs over 1k pokemon
there is your difference
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>>736978607
No Pokemon game on the Switch has come close to having everyone included.
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>>736978590
It's fun as a free thing, I never battled online for the entirety of the switch because I'm not paying for some shitty service, so this benefits me. I'd never buy anything in it though, only morons would lol.
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>>736978607
>LEAVE THE FUCKING MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY ALONE ITS ACTUALLY GOOD THAT THEIR GAMES LOOK LIKE GARRYS MOD WITH NO ANIMATIONS AND RUNS AT 23 FPS
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/drym33/pok%C3%A9mon_battle_revolution_on_the_wii_has_more/
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>>736978751
maybe not, but most of them still have several hundred anyway, with the only outlier being Let's Go.
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>>736978751
>>736978883
you also have to take into account that these games like stadium and battle revolution are also just about battles and nothing more.
no story, no world to explore, no NPCs(except your opponents).
so it's easier to develop the battles and animations for those fights
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>>736940663
to be fair kids have smartphones
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>>736978523
>Modern pokefags don't do that. It's the exact opposite in fact.
No, because your post is retarded you think every pokefag doesn't act biased when their game is criticized, they don't even remember games like coramon or shit like nexomon to even bring them into comparison when talking about the quality of monster tamers.

those are like niche afterthoughts that are forgotten after a few weeks of playing them, but once quality is thrown into the equation they throw a whole fit about how you're a genwunner or excuses like *your just a hater*,*it doesn't matter* or *just play something else" which wouldn't even be a problem if it wasn't for the fact, their egos won't allow someone for saying my thing is better than your thing, basically "Etc" is better than "Etc" which is personal opinion but they usual take it as a personal insult.

just look at SW/SH they literally started the whole #thankyougamefreak, that just shows how out of touch they are whenever it comes to criticization of their very own game but the second you talk about another monster tamer that isn't pokemon they start throwing a fit over the problems they have.
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>>736941075
>games get bought anyway
Why would they care, when Pokemon fans are certified retards?
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>>736979025
>you also have to take into account that these games like stadium and battle revolution are also just about battles and nothing more.
Then what's Champions' excuse?
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>The only argument Pokefags have is "I-it's too many Pokemon! Please spare the billion dollar company from that tortuous work!"
I suppose it doesn't matter. I guess I would put in zero work for these subhumans too if I were Shitfreak
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>>736979025
>hire equal amount of employees as the literal 20 year old game battle revolution had for animation
problem solved. im sure the small indie studio can afford it
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>>736979074
I have actually played most of the Pokemon-likes and they’re holistically worse than Pokemon for various reasons even if most of them are worth playing.
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>>736941658
assuming you can even back that up:
>it took them 3 games into the switch era to tweak the models themselves a little instead of just putting in new shading
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>>736979236
So, get this anon this is just a example, if i said game2 (Which has a niche fanbase and is recent) was better than game1 (which has a huge tribalistic fanbase which has been entrenched for years) because i thought it did something better than game1, would you rather have game1 fans screeching at you on how the game you like is shit and how your game is terrible despite GAME1 having some of the same underlying problem, just because you expressed your opinion, and now you have to deal with both GAME1 and GAME2 fans having a shitflinging fight, making discussion and praise for each other games impossible.
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>>736979504
This doesn’t happen it’s almost exclusively people claiming X game is better than Pokemon and shitting up Pokemon discussion until people get annoyed enough to point out the shortcomings, Pokemon fans don’t seek out SMT V threads (for example) to claim superiority
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Pokemon fans are some of the biggest slop eaters I know, what other fans eat this much shit? Sport games normalfags?
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>>736979074
Pokemon is one of the most hated monster catchers out there. Some monster catchers are forgotten yes, but the ones that haven't have been feasting off Switch Pokemon. Pokefags practically worship Digimon, SMT, and Palworld and think they are the peak of videogame animation.
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>>736979608
>OH, these people are saying their game is better than my game might as well get angry and never ask them why or even try to understand why it would make them say that or insult them to the end of time.

that's what you sound like right now, and honestly i can understand the annoyance of people gloating about "my etc is better than your etc" but getting angry at them isn't going to solve anything, it's just going to make discussion more difficult to have, if you let jealously win even if that etc is low quality as well you can try to understand why people like etc or even ignore etc and pretend it's not there, cause if you let etc, get to YOU, you'll never understand things but even when people do explain why etc2 is better than etc1 and list reasons why they don't like etc1 you can at least try to understand why they think that.
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>>736979716
either them, sportsoids or blizzardfags for sure. sportsoids are at least based on a basic, ancient human interest with diverse sports to be into, but of course the fanaticism of sports fans is insane.
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>>736979810
>”im just heckin tryin ta have an honest discussion mister honest!”
>pretends to not understand how Pokemon are animated
>pretends Pokemon games will brick your Switch
>pretends emulator bugs are normal gameplay
>pretends a map is a single model
Yeah i bet you are
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o7
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>>736940663
gamefreak is just taking the piss out of tendies at this point
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>>736979775
well, thats alternatives for you not everyone is a pokemon fan even if they appreciate that pokemon possibly brought them into existence or how they molded a generation, it still doesn't mean they couldn't just choose an alternative.

like me who likes yugioh but hates how konami handles yugioh and basically being drip fed with little content or games, i even had falling out with beyblade after metal fury ended and somewhat despised burst despite liking some things about it yet that wasn't what caused the falling out, but it was beyblade x cause i felt as if Beyblade's lost their creativity and flair.

(unrelated but is it just me or is 4chan's servers shitting the fan because I've been having a problem with the captcha system not popping up lately)
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>>736979421
They are updated and polished, but >>736940725 still stands. They have assloads of money, it's lasiness and trying to fit deadlines that has them so fucked.
>>736974942
Footprints were used in the sentry minigame for Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers, when you are under the gate and need to ID Pokémon by their feet or ground contact surface.
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>>736979996
I can play that game too
>PALWORLD IS MADE WITH AI
>PALWORLD IS STOLEN MODELS DESPITE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO PROVE IT LIED
>TEM TEM IS AI SCAM (Lie again)
>AGUMON IS JUST A ORANGE CHARIZARD (An OLD TALE AS OLD AS TIME)
>YUGIOH IS EASY (CHEATS IN A TOURNAMENT)
once again pokefags think they are mainly the victim, almost like a certain long nose individual's
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Nevermind that,this is worse and it's actually modern
https://youtu.be/tC9vQmmvvfI?is=yrXtl8m6oyMJjSLn
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>>736940663
>>736940725
Blame the tendies that lap this shit up
If these games flopped and stopped selling millions they'd put more effort in real quick
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>>736980614
the awful reality is that they probably wouldnt considering that the pokemon franchise makes like 70% of its profits from merch. i think i remember seeing some statistic that the games only accounted for like 25-30% of the profits. pokemon has an army of manchildren with thousands of dollars to spend on consooming literal toys and plushies and shitty video games like they are fanatic cultists
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>>736980719
Why do you think people are cultists just because they disagree with you on something?
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>>736980848
retarded children have a distinct inability to understand why anybody would have an opinion different than their own, it's sad really. the ability to understand that people think and feel differently than our own, as well has have different experiences, is fundamental for any functional human. the NPC argument was considered to just be a joke, but as time has gone on, it has become abundantly clear that some humans are functionally non sentient.
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>>736941925
name 777 pokemon
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>>736983364
Togedemaru.
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>>736975562
Aerodactyl uses it for Ancientpower in 2 anyway
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>>736982087
I send this as a reply to any phone number that wants me to fill out a survey.
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They know Redditors will literally scrape the shit off the floor and eat it if it’s labeled Pokemon, so they don’t have to worry about troublesome issues like “quality” or “fun”

Look at Pokopia. The game had N64 graphics for fuck’s sakes, in 2026. How is that not an immediate turn off? Instead it’s a best seller because of braindead morons who can’t use their eyes and brain in synchronized harmony
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>>736941925
They already have many unique idle animations, and limited movesets to what they can technically do per Pokemon. This is why you hire, you know, a team of animators and divvy up work over the years to gradually improve it, instead of simply.. not doing that.
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>Gen 1
>151 pokemon
>Gen whatever the fuck we're on now
>nearly 10 times the number of pokemon
I can understand why they wouldn't animate as much.
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>>736984382
The thing is, they don't have to make new animations every single game. They can reuse them. But the problem is that they never even bothered making real animations for a lot of pokemon, so they don't even have anything to reuse in the first place. if you make animations for every pokemon, then in the new game, you only need to make animations for the new pokemon.

then again, they always add some stupid gimmick in every game that requires unique animations that don't already exist.
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>>736979074
You're thinking of the brainless retards that just consume Pokémon without seriously caring about it or because their lives literally depend on it. Those will defend the franchise to death and probably don't play or care about creature collectors as a whole.
t. Pokéfag & creature collector enjoyer
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>>736975661
Bootlickers are the worst.



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