>>736960697
And how many of the original devs remain?

>>736960697
Below zero showed that they didn't really understand the appeal of Subnautica 1.
Combining that with all the behind the scenes drama I have little hope for Subnautica 2.

I thought the game was "ready to ship" months ago why do they keep changing shit

who's responsible for the nigress MC, krafton or the original devs

They fired the original composer and so I shan't be playing it

>co-op
w-why?

>>736960962
Original devs of course. Krafton is a Korean company. They do not care about Western politics shit. If it was up to them every female would have pale porcelain doll skin.

>>736960697
man, i dont give a shit about their corporate drama. i just care about whether or not the game is good.

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>>736960697
This is actually bad news, as Krafton probably were the ones who keep the devs grounded. Now they can go full libtard.

>>736962825
Aren't gook corps already libtards

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>>736963054
I'd say no.

>>736960830
Hopefully none

>>736960697
Which means it's going to be another Below Zero. Yep the only reason I had any expectations for this was Krafton tard wrangling those pretentious snowflakes high on the smell of their own farts

Well I've lost all interest in this now. Krafton were the only reason I had any hope of this being good. Now there's no one to tard wrangle the pretentious virtue signaling, pearl clutching faggot devs.

>>736962825
They almost sunk the game entirely just to save face on a bad contract. You bootlickers really will punch your nose to spite your face.

>>736970035
I consider this still better than getting another below zero when they weren’t being wrangled.

>>736970252
>I'd rather they make nothing than a game I don't like
please take the korean penis out of your mouth and consider how retarded that sounds

>>736960697
I have a feeling this game will literally be just what we saw in previews. It will literally just be a reef and the giant cephalopod thing. No list of complex biomes, cool vehicles, or anything you'd expect of a Subnautica 2.

>>736960697
Aren't these the guys that gutted the sound of the game because the sound guy wasn't enough of a left winger?

>>736970501
You think they're actually gonna put something that cool in?

You will get another shark sized up to leviathan scale and like it

>>736967817
There was never any wrangling, the studio had total creative control over the game, as per the contract krafton tried to commit fraud over

>>736970035
Below Zero was utter trash and all signs was they didn't learn their lesson. You seem like the bootlicker here giving them a pass for that garbage.

>>736970713
Oh, so they're just shit developers?

>>736960697
Damage is already done. Subnautica 2 needs to be fucking amazing to recovery any consumer trust.
And we all know it will not be.

>>736964061
why they did good work on the first game, I don't know what went wrong with below zero. I guess they fired all the people with talent like the sound designer

>>736970738
If I don't like the game I don't have to buy it, like below zero. Letting goin giant publishers get away with fraud out of spite for danger hairs is insect behavior. No better than cheering for Nintendo sending fleets of lawyers at random people for making fangames.

>>736960697
crazy how big this game got considering they stole the whole idea from some poor solo indie dev

>>736960962
Obviously the devs. Did you already forget that they didn't include weapons in the first game due to Sandy Hook?

>>736960697
Trailer shows protagonist and his story.
Trailer of the first game didn't do this - it was from first person view - you were the protagonist.
Game is going to be Below Zero 2.

>>736970993
dude the first game was a complete and total fluke the devs are just astronomically retarded libshits and had no idea what made it good
expect another below zero

>subnautica 2 owned by the devs again
>takes another 5 years to come out as they fuck around on personal projects instead of developing
yay?

>>736960697
so what?

Why do indie and indieesque AA developers have such a hard time just making a copy of something successful but with more? It really isn't fucking hard to imagine cool things for an Arctic Subnautica. Especially when they already have great concept art but butchered it at every turn. Maybe it is from the retarded process they have where each step of development has some separate fag, including minimal animation in Blender. We should've had an isolated game with huge ice shelves, eerie seafloors, claustrophobic ice caves that may even shift, something actually meaningful for the lily pad biome, etc.

>>736970035
>They almost sunk the game entirely
By not releasing it early?
By trying to dodge the contract they unintentionally saved the game from early access garbage.

>>736971320
Its crazy no one has made a spiritual successor in the time between 1 and 2.

>>736962825
Legitimately the complete opposite

>>736971061
>If I don't like the game I don't have to buy it,
Nobody here is doing anything different, fucking retard. Still gonna complain about it on 4chins and if that bothers you then I suggest you take your own advice and ignore it.

>>736971180
>devs didn't include weapons in the first game due to Sandy Hook?
But aren't they Swedes, why would they care about US crap.

>>736971635
complain all you want, but if you act like a corporate shill then I'll call you one

>>736971693
That's what being political in the rest of the world is these days. Being obsessed with America

>>736971693
Because gun violence and ownership bad and they must virtue signal.

>>736971413
>saved the game from early access garbage.
It's still Early Access.

>>736971846
Yeah, because the original leads took over.

>>736972067
It was never not going to be Early Access. Krafton only wanted to delay the release of the Early Access so they wouldn't have to pay a bonus for them hitting a 2025 sales target. They didn't want to make the game a 1.0 release. They simply didn't want them to make money so that they wouldn't have to pay them. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>736970369
It is actually a defensible position

>>736972303
They didn't make it EA in 2025, and because of the court proceedings, they wouldn't make it EA in 2026 as well if they still had control.

>>736972387
clearly not or krafton would have won the case

>>736972303
Wasn't Krafton pissed that the version submitted by the devs was the bare minimum anyways?

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>>736972518
None of what you said is true. Their official statement was that the game would be released into Early Access later. The plan was always Early Access. They have never mentioned not doing Early Access.

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why does everyone think below zero is bad? I'm 12 hours in and am enjoying myself

>>736972657
That's their defense, yes. The game wasn't ready and so it had to be delayed. Tough shit if they don't get their bonus because of it. It allegedly wasn't even part of the decision.

>>736972657
They have since stated the exact opposite after losing the case, you can decide for yourself which one is the lie.

>>736972720
No you're not, you haven't even played below zero. In fact, you're just a fucking cat! Get off that keyboard!

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>>736972848

>>736972720
By itself is alright but if you played the original It felt like a stepdown. The world is smaller and you move slower, they removed the coolest vehicle (RIP the Cyclops, best boy forever) while adding a complete ass vehicle, the story is terrible, the writing is terrible and the dialog is somehow worse than the latter two, and a bunch of other shit I'm probably forgetting about now.
I wouldn't say it's bad, it's just frustrating.

>>736960697
was it the CEO that made the game woke?

>>736960697
Can they just drop it already? I want my underwater base building coop kino.

>>736972993
wait below zero doesn't have the cyclops? WTF?

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>>736972993
I agree with most of what you said, but to me it just makes it a disappointing spin-off rather than a bad game. Also that modular sub is great I never missed the cyclops

>>736972720
It's okay, but the issue is that it's inferior when it didn't need to be. It still has alright creature designs, but the environment doesn't make sense, you move slower, everything is smaller (except the worm I guess), and if you aren't listening to annoying conversations then you haven't gotten very far

>>736972749
Dios mio.....

>>736960697
Oh so now the game will never come out, cool.

>>736972941
>cats
>liking a game about water
You're not fooling anyone, Fido.

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>>736972749
Subnautica?
More like Sub-Saharica

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>>736973112
Nope. A lot of biomes are too small and difficult to navigate for it, so they just got rid of it and replaced it with something more lame. Really if they added it back for Subnautica 2 and it says "welcome aboard captain, all systems online" when you enter it would restore a huge amount of trust for me.
Also no voice acted protagonist please, I fucking beg you.

>>736972941
You're enjoying it so much you haven't played in 4 months?

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>>736973390
> lots of fish everywhere

>>736972993
the cyclops was big, slow, annoying to maneuver and only needed for the lava zone anyway. I don't miss it in the least.

The real crime was getting rid of the seamoth with it, an incredibly good and useful vehicle you're using for 90% of the game. The short bus is the ugly middle ground between the two with all the bad and none of the good.

>>736970369
There are many entries I wish were never made. Dead space 3 was worse than not being made. RE6, Halo 4, Tears of the Kingdom, FF7Remake (all of it), probably many more.

>>736973445
I played the original Subnautica back in 2018 and never finished it - only to finish it last year, so yea.

>>736973593
All products of publisher greed, so your best interest would be not supporting it here.

>>736960697
What happened to that retarded christmas ai movie? Also isnt it kind of ironic that a bunch of hardcore leftiests that fired the guy who carried the game for wrongthinking now use ai?

>>736972679
>linking an article from 2025
The court moved payout deadline to 2026, if they still had control, they would delay it to 2027 to avoid the new deadline. Anon, how hard is it to understand? Are you by any chance retarded?

>>736960697
More women and niggers yay!

>>736970369
>I'd rather they make nothing than a game I don't like
Absolutely, a stain on a good series is far worse than the series ending.

>>736970501
I feel like they are hard focusing co op and want this to be an e-dating game. And honestly it just might work. Women love to be scared around a "protector". There's actually a decent money making opportunity there to do co op horror games like the co op "it takes 2" cottage industry. Unfortunately zoomers are broken by a broken system and don't have as many relationships as they should at their age. If this concept of game were released in a 2010 era society with modern day tech adoption rates it would do crazy numbers.

I have zero faith that it translates into a good gameplay experience, lmao. I'm purely talking commercial success.

>>736972993
>Game always labels le evil corpos as evil
>very very last voice log reveals MCs sister was actually the bad one all long
>MC doesn't comment on it at all
>also log character from the first game somehow survives the virus and thousands of miles of floating over the void
Fucking retarded

>>736973729
Are you a different person or are you just schizophrenic? The anon claimed Krafton was attempting to save the game from being "Early Access garbage" when that was never the plan. It was only to avoid the payout, just as you said just now. The game was always going to to release into Early Access regardless of whatever fantasies useful idiots dream up to try and make it seem like the publishers were being noble.

>>736973729
The court moved the date exactly the amount of time krafton spent holding the game hostage.
>if they still had control
they very much do still have control, that's what was in their contract

>>736973838
That just gave me a game idea, cheers.

>>736973838
Lets be real the only reason there's co-op at all is because someone made a co-op mod for 1, and showed that it's something people wanted so it's safe to do so

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>>736973892
>Ancient super-advanced precursor aliens struggle to create a kharaa cure to the point where they all say fuck it and quarantine an entire planet, billions end up dead
>Some nigress finds out you just had to mix two local plants together
The more I remember the more I hate it

>>736972720
>>736972941
>>736973460
I fucking love silly posting like that. Wish it wasn't a dying culture here

>>736973838
It's up to 4-player coop and there are plenty of 4-player horror games already. This is a gigantic stretch. Coop is just an obligatory thing now if you're capable of adding it in because it's free extra money. Slay the Spire 2 was the last game I was expecting to get it and it got it, and the implementation is extremely lacking and barebones. And yet, even /v/ is in on it and they post lobbies all the time.

>>736967817
Why do you fucking retards always make shit up to satisfy your moronic political teams? Krafton wasn’t controlling the devs at all, this all happened so they could get out of a retarded contract they themselves entered into. You have to be a special kind of stupid to defend these retards just because the SN devs are homo libs. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend, get it through your thick skull.

>>736960697
>gooks literally had to pay them 250000000 million dollar bonus because they didn't understand what K in the number shortening meant and thought it was actually 250000 dollars
Honestly amazing. These are college educated, seven figure making MBA adults, btw.

>>736974061
Looking forward to playing your fresh /v/core in a few years.

>>736970993
>why they did good work on the first game,
Every indication shows they literally have no idea why it was successful. Things the game was widely applauded for they have explicitly said were mistakes that would be "fixed" in Below Zero.

>>736971693
Despite what they say, most people outside of America are insanely obsessed about America and American politics. Everyone in Europe knows who Trump is but probably can't name who runs the countries on their own borders.

>>736974609
>Things the game was widely applauded for they have explicitly said were mistakes that would be "fixed"
Such as?

>>736971693
>america keeps exporting it's politics overseas
>europeans tell you to fuck off and that your politics are retarded
>noooo you were supposed to just agree we're the bestest, not have opinions! We don't have opinions here in AMERICA!

>>736974717
>why is everyone so heckin insanely obsessed with america
if you were old enough own a car right now you'd see a perfect example of why american politics matters. get off 4chan underager

>>736960697
So trannies, niggers and no multiplayer in the game

>>736974365
What enemy nigger I just don't want niggers and trannies in the game, and now they are going to put niggers and trannies in the game

>>736974729
The isolation was a mistake in their mind. You needed girlbosses and niggers and ayys to interact with

>>736975004
>europeans tell you to fuck off
Which europeans exactly? Germany full of shitskins and trannies? UK full of pajeets and rapegangs? Portugal full of brazillian monkeys? Which europeans anon

>>736975395
Or maybe it comes from surviving a pandemic that showed everyone how terrible isolation is. It's time for more hopeful games.

>>736972720
the writing is bad, there's no cyclops, the ocean is way smaller and less deep

>>736974365
I literally never once mentioned politics in that post you projecting faggot.

>>736975395
source?
no, sub 2 being shit is not a source

>>736975469
Man I wish covid was real so retarded faggots like you actually died

>>736975405
>lists problems imported from america

>>736975469
Nah, it had that shit an entire year before lockdowns started

>>736975674
imported from syria actually :^)

>>736975572
I astral projected into their developer meeting, heard them say it

>>736975469
Isolation was government and health committee over reach

>>736975674
Are you completely fucking retarded?

>>736972720
>awful sound design that lacks character for all sea life, all aggressive sea life forms are incredibly loud and sound the same with no noticeable distinction about their threat or characteristics, a leviathan sounds as threatening as a shark.
>story doesn't make sense because they remade it halfway through without adjusting/re-recording the voice lines
>No cyclops for some reason
>Land segments, while having some interesting gimmicks, were way too big and too long for a game about deep diving
>Personally found the leviathans to be uninteresting, some of the smaller sea creatures were nice though like that fucking thief
>didn't have interesting depths like the first game, very shallow in comparison
this is just of the top of my head and I played it years ago, in a vacuum it's an ok game but it's worse than the first in every way which is the problem.

>>736973937
>laimed Krafton was attempting to save the game from being "Early Access garbage" when that was never the plan
My post said Krafton unintentionally saved it from EA.
>unintentionally
>adverb
>uk /ˌʌn.Jnˈten.ʃən.əl.i/ us /ˌʌn.Jnˈten.ʃən.əl.i/
>in a way that is not intentional:
>I was either intentionally or unintentionally excluded from a lot of the decisions that were made.
>The newspaper printed information that was unintentionally misleading.

>>736976117
is that why it's still EA?

>>736976313
The original leads got the full access to the game's steam account, and they plan to release it in May to hit new payout deadline. That's not Krafton's decision anymore.
Again, if Krafton was in charge of release date, they would delay it as long as possible to avoid any payout extensions.

>>736974365
based
you hit the nail on the head, those retards couldn't even clap back

>>736976540
And no matter how long they delayed it would still launch in early access, because that was the plan from the start. How much work do you think is getting done while holding the game hostage with nobody at the helm to manage it? Would it just somehow reach 1.0 internally with an extra six months of nothing?

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>>736960697
yeah unless the dev team has been entirely replaced since below zero, i'm not holding out a bunch of hope for it

If I wanted to play Resident Evil underwater I'd mod Leon wearing speedos and air tanks into RE4R. You have a dozen more fun and imaginative ways to kill everything in the game except the Sea Emperor and its kids, stop crying that Ryley doesn't get an aquatic Glock.

>>736960697
Truly unfortunate, my hope for it has gone down the shitter once more.
Below Zero 2 here we go, complete with annoying nattering companion and no similarity to the first game beyond an ugly protagonist and being underwater for some of it.

>>736977450
Geg
It's going to be another unreal sloppa, I guess krafton cut their losses after realizing the studio is baking another turd

>>736960962
The same people who spent years and millions of dollars on an AI script written lesbian Christmas movie.
>>736970035
>make a deal
>spend nearly a decade sitting on your ass
>to steal more money from the people you made the deal with
>produce nothing for 7 years

The corpofaggots were right just as that cryptofaggot was right about the devs for SSR Wives. Indie "devs" are lazy sacks of shit. They'll waste 10 years between projects lounging about demanding fame and money. These people are all the same. No one will like Subnautica 2, the writing is on the wall.

>>736960697
first useful instance of ai helping devs

>>736971320
>AA
They were given like 200,000,000 fucking dollars by Krafton and have produced fuckall since 2018 or so. Kept pushing back the date and doing other projects. They can claim all day that's not what they were doing, and hide behind lawyers all they fucking want. They can't make the past 8 years magically appear productive. It's obvious they stopped giving a shit.

>>736971693
Turns out that children being horrifically slaughtered in a place of learning is an event that horrifies everyone, regardless of whether it happened in your own backyard

I guess that's a foreign concept to Burgers, who love seeing dead children so much that they've started killing children in other people's countries as well

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>>736961612
The only decent post in this thread. Who cares about drama just make a GOOD GAME.