Heckin' cripes! Localization is so soulful
Let me guess, jude?
>>736963335Why does it matter?
We need more quality loc.
As an American I'm more familiar with Kansai speak than whatever the hell a "Minnesota accent" is.
>>736963368So he is a J, thanks.
>>736963713I'm guessing he means a Midwest accent, but I've only ever heard people say "Jesus Cripes" as a way to avoid saying Christ, never HECKIN' CRIPES
>>736963285This guy MOGS you. Probably has a huge cock as well. Uncut.
>>736963856He's a chad for sure. He eats fan translators for breakfast.
I recall playing a fan translation of steins;gate way back and they replaced all of the 2chan memes like "but I refuse" with 4chan memes like over 9000 and it carried over the context that the main characters were internet cringelords in a far better way than the steam release did, which was a more direct translation. >>736963285 the reasoning for this seems sound but using heckin cripes because you can't say jesus and arbitrarily choosing a midwest accent just to be different just defeats that intention entirely. >>736963470Really surprised that this game never got topped as the worst localization I can think of.
>>736963470>AI would never (checks note) make a coding error that causes a dialog to not play right!!!Hope you enjoy the future of no real human support and you never get a odd problem solved because the AI wasn't taught how to fix that issue fuckhead
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>>736963285Why do you even give these hacks the excuse of "localization"? Translations, even "100% direct" ones, are localization. A poor translation is simply shit localization. Don't let these people think or claim "I might not be a good translator, but at least I'm a good localizer!" because they fucking aren't. They're just shit.
>>736963971That is neither what happened there nor how any fucking text system has worked in video games since 1990, you disingenuous sniveling little subhuman.
>>736963971AI is 100% unusable according to Neil.
>>736963285Localisers can't just write someone with a particular dialect, it has to be a cartoon world exaggeration full of stilted phrasing and sometimes completely made-up phrases or words. It's like when Americans do a British impression and say like "oi mate bloody hell guvnor I'm bri'ish innit check out me blingyblonger." Except they're doing it IN A PROFESSIONAL TRANSLATION. How the FUCK does that happen. Are you RETARDED????
>>736963285Please god let AI replace these retards
>>736963285>that>minnesota accent
>>736964047>sometimes completely made-up phrases or wordsBut it's so flavorful!
>>736963335Are you controlled opposition?
>>736963285We love dem SUGAR and SPICE
>>736964094SPICAYYYY
>>736964047Fiction translators tend to be the bottom of the barrel of their profession. All the competent translators have careers in translating business documents, academic textbooks, government documents and shit like that. It is mostly only the least competent who end up working in translating fiction, and it attracts the least competent too since it is also usually the worst paid translation job with worst work environments.
>>736964094>doesn't make sense vs funny reference
>>736964094>ICE referenceChudbros?
reminder that its a bunch of former /a/ cancerfags intentionally pushing out shit commie-tier translations to deny EOPs the true experience of playing the game
>>736964149This! So much this! Western pop culture > Shit Japanese humor.
does that guy do nothing but shitpost about how he is maliciously rewriting games all day long?in between updates on his cancer I guess
>>736964262Unironically what does it mean that his buttocks are shaking? Is he sharting?
>>736963285the funny thing is ai will literally take every single localizers job and there's nothing they can do to stop it
Is the catalog fucked up just for me or did gook moot shit the bed again
>>736964289iirc that character has hemorrhoids. So the stress is making them flare up basically.
>>736964387That's not how hemorrhoids work. Sounds like the JP writer confused hemorrhoids with an ulcer
>ITT live in Japan.Both phonetically and culturally the Kansai accent is closer to the New England/Boston Accent.If you think about it too Osaka is basically the Boston to Tokyo's New York.Also the only funny Japanese humor imo is from Kansai imo.
>>736964262That TL is almost a decade older than the meme dance though.
>>736963713it's nothing like minnasotanminnesota is that sort of specifically northern, almost canadian or dutch-like "ooh bob the snow is about up to yer keester don't-cha-know" sort of thing. it's a specifically northwestern accent that doesn't occur elsewhere. it's nothing like kansai, regionally, which is more equivalent to the way people on the mid-east coast speak.actual midwesterners just sound like slightly country californians, that is to say, affectless and mostly accentless with a hint of southern twang but lacking the typical lazy speech slurring of a true southerner or the precise diction of a west coastie.
kansaiben should always be localized as strayan cunt.
>>736964342The hentai translation scene is already being hit hard by AI. No one wants to pay for commissions anymore and is just using cheap AI to get their quick fap. Localizers are seething to the point that the few projects they do release is heavily localized and memefied just to spite AI release supporters.
>>736963285>look at these "highbrow" choices I made>it would be too cliche ifWhat you're seeing here is a localizer who thinks he's a writer. Many such cases!
>>736964410I don't think the translated character should have any wacky accent
>>736964031>absolute fucking hack who'd be the first on the chopping block if AI is seen as being of acceptable quality tells you AI will never be of acceptable qualityKekIt's a losing battle on his side, tooNot only will his bosses be interested in the reduced cost of operation, but fuckers like him have poisoned the well so severely that the consumers will be happy about it, too
>>736964440>the few projects they do release is heavily localized and memefied just to spite AI release supportersso the last throes of a dying breed. I'm not the biggest fan of sloppy MTL, and agree it needs a human touch to sound right, but if trannylators are gonna choose the retarded route, they can go die.
>>736964031I DON'T GET THE FUCKING JOKEYOU KEEP POSTING IT AND I DON'T GET ITI KNOW ABOUT THE EIGHT HEADS TALL BEAUTY STANDARDBUT IT'S ONLY ONE HEAD TALLWHERE JOKE
>>736963973Sarah Moon is our queen. You keep her name out of your dirty mouth or I WILL END YOU.timestamp relatedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMYFUDq-Phg&t=18s
>>736963971There's lots of people capable of doing good translations and they're all in the indie scene. Maybe they could get jobs instead of the dipshits you faggot niggers keep defending?
>japanese: "Chotto gohan kaute kuru kedo, nanika iru">AI: "Hey, I’m just gonna grab some food real quick, you want anything?"Localizer: wait, isn't kaute an accent? How would we translate the accent?>Localizer: "Oi mate, I’m just headin’ down to the servo, reckon you wanna snag or somethin’?"
>>736964410I recall an interview where kawazu mentioned that tsunanori specifically was made to be a protag who just happens to speak in kansai dialect instead of being a stereotypical funny man from osaka.
>>736963285Anon, if you're gonna keep making these schizo threads, could you at least make new examples rather than reposting the same old pictures all over again?Even other schizos like the Sallyfag from /co/ took the time to make new pictures...>>736964375Catalog's not working correctly for me either
>>736963285>>736964031>>736964094These are fine
>>736964440the mangatranslation.ai or whatever it was they are using sure could use some better typesetting though, kekit looks like something a SEAmonkey slapped together in half an hour with google translate and Paint right now
>>736964547How do island chinks know what's meant by deshou deshou if it doesn't mean anything? Needs a TL note methinks
>>736963285I unironically feel like that for Unicorn Overlord.They added a lot of flair to the story, without losing any of the content and I really like that flair. The Elf sisters having unique Elf words for each other, the way everyone speaks, the more formal tones. It's really good. It's the first time I've ever thought a localisation actually added something.
>>736964440Good riddance. They're a bunch of circlejerking discord trannies. People like Trannygyaru and xer ilk can go die for all I care.
>>736964492The joke is that she's bragging about being a super model. That's it.
>>736964593>Heckin' Cripes.>I'm actually an eight-headed beauty.>Chug jug referenceThat is definitely not fine.
>>736963973What does it actually mean?
>>736963285Did that disgusting faggot ever stop to think, for even a second, about the fact that the vast majority of the world is thankfully not American and "Midwest accent" meaning absolutely fuck-all to normal people?
>>736965073"Neet"
>>736965047I didn't even know that's a reference. Had to google it, I don't play zoomerslopWhat does a Fortnite thermos flask have to do with learning language rules? I'm starting to get the feeling these translators just make up any old shit
>>736965073"Those guys." Usually derogatory.
>>736965076I was thinking that too, then I realized that's retarded. These trannies are localizing for the American market, they don't consider that there are Yuropeans like me who play everything in English
>>736965116Absolutely nothing. They added it in because she ends her speech with a quirky non-sequitur. The robot quips that she's being cringey, so that gave the localizers a green light in their mind to write whatever line *they* thought was cringey.
>>736965076most americans don't know a world exists outside america
>>736965151That's why European markets should get machine translation English and Americans get retarded localizer "English.
>>736965296most americans dont know shit about flyover accents either. this localizer in OP genuienly makes scripts for absolutely no one.
>>736965309Bad translation occurs in all countries, not just America. AI translation would benefit everyone.
>>736964615>without losing any of the contentAnon, they rewrote characters to make them more bitchy and added in a "not like there's anything wrong with that" cope line. They fucked up just like every dumb cunt lolcowlizer.
It's the same thread again
>muh AI translationThis is not the cure all you think it is. Who do you think will be using the AI tools and editing/correcting the AI translation? The same people who are translating now.
>>736965370it'd be way more interesting too if they tried to make foreign accents like french or whatever. But no, gotta go with retardo-quirky pseudo-redneck. Fucking obnoxious.
>>736965438I dunno why there's a guy posting the same 20 images over and over again while falseflagging pro-localizer statementsHe could at least get new material, I like laughing at shit translations
>>736965484/v/ has always been full of bizarre, contrarian niggerfaggots. Probably some tasteless faggot that's been seething because someone criticized the localization of a game he enjoyed.
>>736965371It's funny because people often misinterpret that line, in English, to mean what the Japanese translation says. I imagine that's what happened here.
>>736965460>Who do you think will be using the AI toolsThe devs ideally. This is already happening with indies like Elin. This is a scenario where the middle man being cut out will be an ethical and appropriate measure.>Correcting/editingnot needed outside of obvious errors being flagged to the devs for changes by the community
What 日本語 games are you guys playing? Just started トワイライトシンドローム myself. Seems interesting so far but I hate that the textboxes are on pretty short timers.
>>736965116most of these translators are failed writers who can't accept that they suck at creative work.so instead they deface the work of others with random changes, so they can tell themselves it's totally their own work actually, and anyone who enjoys it is secretly their fan, even if they don't know about it.a couple of them openly admitted that they see any work translated by them as their own work, not as the original author's
>>736965371But Americans deserve bad translations just like they deserve their bad food, bad politicians and bad health, because they're bad people.
>>736965296Why do poors make up such random wild nonsense about Americans 24/7? We do in fact know about the outside word as we have ads on television prompting us to donate towards random Israeli's retirement fund, and no, I'm not kidding.
>doing voiceover work for an ai company>they want me to speak like a californian>i was born and raised in california so i just speak like myself>no, more californian>put on retarded surfer accent>they're happyit's over fer shurealso behead localizers
>>736965615Replaying Koiseiyo Imouto Banchou
>>736965586>not needed outside of obvious errors being flagged to the devs for changes by the communityyou've obviously never used LLMs extensively
>>736965615>Gachi Sudaget some taste
>>736965568I've never heard anyone say that. If anything, people would think it means "don't kill Russians," but even that's a nonsensical phrase.
>>736965616This is why I keep bringing up those failed localizers from NISA who took the dick sucking to heart and made their own massive flop since their "fans" didn't actually exist.
>This dogshit thread againOh yeah, this totally isn't a psyop though
>>736965895Neither have you, apparently.
>>736965953yeah, it's always funny when they fall for their own lies and then it horribly backfires
>>736966103A psyop for what exactly?
>>736964031>we put out for people to consume
>>736964127The fact that the higher up translators also have a legal gun pointed at their head to prevent fucking with documentation also helps
>>736966183In 2026, that'd read "No way Jose! What if ya dropped it like a doofus, dorky-dork? Heckaroony, males like you can't do anything right..."
>>736966572>No way JoseThat's racist, cancel this man on twitter immediately
>>736966572>So the team and I agreed that Tatl would have a Minnesotan accent because she is a fairy
>>736965674Rude.
>>736963285Your days are numbered
>>736963335yes, OP is a jew trying to peddle his AI MTL garbage and he should get banned for advertising his garbage
>>736966745Uh, peddle what exactly? You can use it yourself. It works perfectly
>>736965371>Remember, no RussiansTranslator: No....Russians...oh! He must me he doesn't want any Russians to exist anymore!
>>736963470>AI on the rightyou fucking kike ai peddler, that was translated by a real personcan mods ban this troll?
>>736966821Nope, it was translated using Gemini. Note the difference in translation from your video and the image.
>>736966821Neat AI TL romhack
>>736966776it doesn't and kill yourself
>>736966923It does actually. I would actually classify it as better than most human translators.
>>736966572>It took us 3 weeks of non-stop meetings to decide how to translate this line!
>>736966785Russian could've either been>Russian the languageor>Russian the peopleThey had a 50-50 shot and got it wrong
>>736963285>kyoto is stereotypically old-fashioned, snooty, and passive-aggressive>this equals minnesota for so reason???
>>736965953What was the NISA flop?
>>736967282Not when Russian is explicitly singular, no, and especially not when it follows the adjectival "no."
>>736967418Undead Darlings. It was made and written by two of the more notorious NISA lolcows at the time. The fact localizer fanboys don't know it exists is an easy gotcha since they love to say how much better the localizers are at writing than the Japanese but don't even care about the original work of two of their beloved.These are the fags that ruined Esty Erhard and Nepgear and Neptune's scene in Conquest Route among others.
>>736967404Kansai-ben is often used as "character from boonies" trait (like Osaka from Azumanga for example). So I imagine that's what they were thinking.
>>736967560We're talking people that likely used an online translator at the time. Those didn't understand context.
>>736963470Honestly, the part on the right is just shadowlord edgeslop, I unironically prefer the official one.
>>736964262The fact that this translation was made years before the Harlem Shake became a meme is the actual hilarious part.
>>736967625I don't think so. The translation is too competent in other places for it to have been entirely MTL, especially in 2009. This seems like genuine confusion of the phrase. The mission being called just 幕間 (intermission) further validates this.
>>736967720I prefer to think of the translation on the left as "funlation."
>>736967601Osaka isn't from the boonies though, the joke is that she's the exact opposite of the Osakan stereotype (brash, rude, money-focussed)Translating Kansai-ben as a New York accent makes a lot more sense than translating it as a Southern accent
>>736967578How bad was it?
>>736963285Is he supposed to be jacked? He isn't. Those are barely above noodle arms.
>>736967879It's kind of true. Geographically-speaking, Kansai is closer to that funny kind of New York sound.
>>736963713I dont' know what the fuck "heckin cripes" is but it sure as fuck isn't a minnesota accent.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZpXWOE3plc
>>736968980To play devil's advocate, I imagine he's showing off his progress, not showing off in general. Soon he'll be able to do a single pullup, which is more than 70% of america can do.
>>736963285Becky from Trails of Cold Steel in japanese voice over has a Kansai dialect, and then localized it into an Irish/Scottish accent.
>>736963285i don't understand why japan has let it get so bad. all they have to do is have japanese people who know english do the translations, instead of english people who know japanese.
>>736970264>japanese people who know englishAbout that...
>>736970264It's much tougher to translate from your first language into your second. The problem lies in hiring people who are inherently dishonest with the material.
>>736970356i can't believe that there aren't japanese people who speak english. it's extremely easy, and there's plenty of demand>>736970418but it would be much more accurate
how do I learn to read Japanese to consume kino straight from the tap
>>736964409Anon.... its unclothed to talk about your hemorrhoids in public, he is speaking in a way to talk around it as its more polite, also its much more creative/imaginative then out right saying it. The official translation misses the point entirely as you did too.
>>736971167>accusing me of missing the point when I don't give a single shit how polite the character is being and simply pointed out stress doesn't make hemorrhoids flare upIronic
>>736970591>but it would be much more accurateSo would AI. The problem isn't the nationality, but the kind of person they're hiring.
>>736970880Buy a real ass college learning textbook, none of this "learn japanese in 10 minutes a day dot com" shit.
Why do they keep posting arguments in favor of AI?Aren't they supposed to avoid that?
>>736971379Because AI is right?
>>736963285>>736963838Flexing into mirrors is already mad gay, but taking pics of it is even gayer. Figures this fag looks like a fucking pedo, too. Like actually the exact phenotype for the rapist kind of serial killer. Bit of zodiac and dahmer in there.Why am I not surprised this is what trannylators look like?
>>736964456then you're removing an important part of the character. The devs deliberately have characters speaking kansaiben, thus the character should have some sort of accent in the english version. The issue is finding a proper equivalent because up until now it's been "southern accent" as the go to but it's not really equivalent. I don't know if i agree with anon's view of using ny/boston for kyoto/osaka but at the very least it kind of matches the directness of osakans. NY accent for kyoto though is like the polar opposite of the kind of people living in kyoto.
>ruins your translation
>>736971614I mean from the perspective of mr localizer manEvery post ive seen about this is basically advertising AI as the superior translationI doubt its intentional but jesus christ are they not self aware in the slightest?
>>736971692You're already doing so when you rape and replace it, aka "westernizing" it, retard. This is why localization is dogshit.Japanese characters written by the Japanese shouldn't ever talk like muttland yuppies or hicks or anything in between. You're actively overwriting the original culture and intent with another. And no, there is no "equivalent" because there isn't one.The absolutely most respectful I've ever seen anyone handle Japanese dialects is with contractions with apostrophes or making new compound words or slang. However, that requires some actual writing skill, which trannylators do NOT have, so they just go the easiest route of "hurrr the closest analog" which always will read and sound like total and utter horseshit because they pick some super stereotypical yuppie or hick accent.It's super jarring seeing Jap characters written by Japs speaking like southerners or cali/ny faggots or with a """""midwest""""" accent/diction. The tonal whiplash is immense and it becomes super unserious.
>>736963942>and it carried over the context that the main characters were internet cringelords in a far better way than the steam release didThis ceases to be relevant when the target audience isn't familiar with 4chan either, now you have a version that has butchered the original text and also fails to portray the characters the way the author intended.That's why "localization" is shit. If the characters use certain expressions, say, from a cult like Opus Dei, and you don’t trust the reader to:A: realize that there are common expressions the characters are using and assume it’s because of the cult they belong toorB: look up something about the cult to better understand why the characters use certain expressionsand decide to change the cult to something you consider familiar to the new consumers, you’re not a good translator, you’re a fraud working for marketers to sell more products. Time will render all your shity effort irrelevant, and now what you have is something that’s good for absolutely nothing.That’s why leftists in general are so malicious and aggressive in defending localization. They're defending something that goes against their supposed principles in favor of art and against its commercialization, but they do so for pragmatic reasons because it’s in their interest to alter products to push ideologies.
>>736971949It's not made by Mr. Localizer Man.
At the end of the day, the biggest mistake you can make as a translator or localizer is try to talk with the general public about the process of translation and localization. Not because it damages your own reputation (that's a given), but because it damages people's image of the craft as a whole and makes us competent folks look like assholes though the fault of a small handful of vocal retards spewing sludge on social media.
>>736972003>You're actively overwriting the original culture and intent with another.>And no, there is no "equivalent" because there isn't one.So according to you the solution is just to make up shit entirely, or give up.And of course you also criticize localizers on top of not realizing how retarded you sound, not like one can expect much from a psyop retard who keeps making the same thread over and over again.
>>736972003>The absolutely most respectful I've ever seen anyone handle Japanese dialects is with contractions with apostrophes or making new compound words or slang.where did you see this? This actually sounds like a much better solution than the stupid accent substitution. Genuinely curious. And like I said I don't like it either, I just think there needs to be SOMETHING. Playing sakura wars on ps2 when it came out and seeing those hick southern accents in it made even my 19 year old self go "what the fuck is this shit"
>>736971949Are you saying the localizer translations are better?
>>736972138I would say the plethora of examples prove that Neil's philosophy of translation is widespread throughout the industry.
>>736972298Absolutely notIt just seems counterproductive to "advertise" their localization slop only for ai to show up and point out jsut how fuckign awful it isLike you'd think it would be smarter not to draw attention to themselves ruining everything
>>736964593The Mario & Luigi one is not fine, it's a genuine mistranslation.
>>736972196Cute strawman, but there's very important information you're conveniently leaving out, being: people need to be creative. Again, it would take some actual writing skill, which trannylators don't have.>some weird autistic chimpoutNot my thread, but I'm glad this topic pisses off tourist trannies so much. You faggot freaks' figureheads have said you stalk several websites to derail anti-localization sentiment, and it's pretty obvious when these script/GPT-esque posts are made like clockwork.>>736972247It's something I've very, VERY rarely seen in manga fan TLs over the last several years. I would not be able to recall where as I've easily read hundreds of series in that timeframe, but I still distinctly remember it.The failed writer, culture vulture dipshits in localization wouldn't even know where to begin doing shit like that though. They barely know Japanese, they'll smugly admit it even, so expecting them to have any competent understanding of linguistics in general is a big ask.Much easier to just make every Japanese person sound like Sandy Cheeks, no effort or ingenuity needed!
>>736972531it's trying to convey the sense of the pun present in the original japanese, which the AI completely misses
>>736971761Of course it looks this way. Of course it does. These things are always ugly fucks. I think Alanah Pierce is the one time one of these mongrels isn't a sub 5.
>>736972429I'm guessing is this is a backwards attempt at trying to be "transparent" about the changes they make. Either that or they're genuinely proud of the changes/censorship.
>>736972138The overwhelming majority of people don't give a shit about the supposed image of the craft.It's only dunning-kruger midwits who split hair about nothing, people who don't know the language AKA the majority simply doesn't have the standards or the interest to bother looking at the minutiae and whatever gets lost in translation whether it is the inevitable part of the process or questionable decisions on the translator's part, and there's the faggots who don't know the language but think they know better and will clutch their pearls at every little thing even when they're not in the right.Then there's the people who actually know the language, who largely don't care as this doesn't really affect them, and within that minority there's the midwits who split hair about nothing while refusing to realize they're also fundamentally comprimising in the same exact way they criticize other people.>>736972607>people need to be creative.It's not a translator's job to be creative.If a character speaks in a regional dialect it's only logical to use another regional dialect in the target language, this is translation 101, nobody serious thinks you need to invent some fantasy slang with no basis in either the source language or reality.
>>736971614Kek of course they have shit like this. I haven't played CV2, but I already got my suspicions when they removed the Male / Female from the first game and changed it into "body frames." Bamco gotten really woke recently after they announced their support of DEI a while back. And it was immediately proven when they starts adding Type A / B for their newer games and remasters.Not surprised that they added some localizer pozz as well.They're synonymous with each other.
It's scary how good (and fast) AI became to translate Japanese, it's Google Gemini right? I read on another thread that's the best for translation.These day i finally decide to play Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun Special on the 3DS and use my phone camera to translate the items and quests, ended up finishing the game no problems.
>>736964989no, the joke is about the term "8-head beauty" as in 8 heads tall, which she obviously is not, since she's barely more than 1 head. Honestly if you wanted to keep the same type of joke in english just call her a "tall beauty" or a "leggy beauty".
>>736963971Do you eat paint chips? The expectation is to translate on-screen text, not write code. People have been reading machine translation of games forever.
>>736972701Yes it is. You're dealing with someone else's creation, you should put in some fucking effort and give it its due respect.>muh analog good nuffNo, it isn't. Again, this just produces the jarring effect of either making the characters sound like Sandy Cheeks or le funni boston man. It's fucking cancer that completely clashes with the feel of the work.Contractions and compound words aren't even "fantasy slang" either, this is legitimately how new slang or phrases get made over time. Again though, huge ask for trannylators that just want to pump out the same cookie cutter, low effort swill they always have because they legitimately don't have the capacity to do otherwise.
>>736972138>>736972701Nah, fuck you both. Stop adding your woke garbage to translations or changing meanings because you think Japanese media is cringe.
>>736972889>Stop adding your woke garbage to translations or changing meanings because you think Japanese media is cringe.And where done here, enjoy AI killing their jobs because they can't even do this minimum.
>>736963971people outside of India use something called .po files: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GettextHope this helps, sir!
>>736972956Fine by me. Rather not see it translated at all then let you faggots make a career out of ruining things just to spite the imaginary Chuds in your head.
The issue is that 99% of translation "complaints" aren't even legitimate and boil down to>thing I PERSONALLY like: :)>thing I personally DON'T like: >:(Legitimate mistakes are one thing, but most of the people complaining are literally just down to >"W-W-W-WELL I WOULDN'T HAVE WORDED IT THAT PARTICULAR WAY, BECAUSE, LIKE, UH... DUDE I JUST WOULDN'T HAVE!!! GOD!"
>>736972138>>736972701>>736972889You're all fucking wrong.IT IS a translator's job to be creative. You can not translate a work literally and maintain the same tone, you will need to change things and add context in some cases. The problem is that translators are changing it to STUPID SHIT.
>>736973065>The problem is that translators are changing it to THINGS I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE, BECAUSE, LIKE, UH.... B-BECAUSE I JUST DON'T!!!! CHRIST!!!!
>>736973065>I agree that all translators spend their whole day adding retarded woke shit to every game they translate, but the platonic ideal of a translator is unaffected by that!!!Riveting post
>>736972865>You're dealing with someone else's creationWhich is precisely why creativity isn't needed.>No, it isn't.Yes it is, literally every translator works like that and has worked like that for centuries, nobody fucking invents slangs to convey regional dialects, this is the equivalent of translating Romeo and Juliet in italian and refusing to call them Romeo and Giulietta because Shakespeare was a brit and translating the names in italian is supposedly disrespectful to the author, it's lunacy that simply nobody does in any professional environment and shows how you're a complete fraud detached from reality.
>>736972196>So according to you the solution is just to make up shit entirely, or give up.Why don't they just translate what the guy is saying as literally as possible, while preserving as much of the meaning as possible?>"But then it’ll sound weird!"So what? He's a fucking Japanese guy. I don't expect him to talk like a New Yorker or anything.>"But that's impossible!"If it's impossible, how do they understand each other? Are there concepts that only Japanese people can understand?>"But you'll never convey the full meaning", yeah,so what? That's obvious. Translation is just a flawed attempt to make something more accessible that few people would otherwise have access to. If you’re taking something seriously enough to try to unravel its full meaning, you’ll necessarily have to understand the target language. No one seriously studies literature through translations. A guy who’s going to study Dostoevsky academically, trying to understand his work as deeply as possible, will necessarily learn Russian.The issue here is simple: localization is a marketing strategy. There’s nothing artistic about localization. It’s just an attempt to sell more products. The transvestites convince the naive Japanese that they’ll help boost sales of their games, and the Japanese start rubbing their hands together at the thought of big profits, without caring whether the "localizers" will turn their characters into political activists.
>>736973018What are you talking about?That anon is saying the people will enjoy trannylators losing their job to ai because they can't do the minimum of keep their ideology and "humor" out of translations.>>736973065Cry more resetera creature AI finally replaced you.
>>736973152>>736973146>>736973219You people need to learn how to fucking read jesus christ. AI is not going to do as good a job as a competent localizer, however we do not have competent localizers.
>>736972825>I have no problems eating shit, therefore everyone else should eat shitamazing argument
>>736973029kys. go look at umamusume's translation of gyaru characters and say that again, they're all speaking in zoomer memes and american slang.
>>736972618>it's trying to convey the sense of the pun present in the original japaneseIt's failing.
>>736973065it's also the translator's job to understand and respect the source material. I can allow liberties and even rewrites as long as the translator at all times understands his role as an interpreter to an actual creator.
>>736973262I read your post perfectly though, in fact you just basically repeated the same thing again>all localizers are dogshit, but the platonic ideal of a localizer is unaffected by that!!!Riveting post
>>736973182>Why don't they just translate what the guy is saying as literally as possible, while preserving as much of the meaning as possible?Go try translating a whole game for yourself sometime and you'll quickly find out that "translate as literally as possible" often ends you up with something that is "correct, but wrong."This is why context is important. This is why playing through the game and having a way to reference individual scenes (recording a video of it, etc) is powerful. Because something that is "correct" in isolation may wind up meaning something "wrong", and this happens more often than you realize. Especially in vidya.>>736973313Gacha sludge slurpers deserve it. I actively support Umatroonsume getting dogshit translations that people hate, because hopefully it drives them away from gacha garbage and toward something better in life.
>>736972858No, that isn't the joke. The joke is that she's claiming to have a real form which is actually sexy and well-proportioned. The joke isn't focused on the term, just the irony of the idea.
localization is disrespectful to the original workThey always think they can do better despite being failed writers
>>736973181Nope, it's exactly why it's needed if you care about preserving the intent and culture as much as possible.>muh everyone does thatYeah, because most trannylators in the field are all nepohire faggots that jerk each other off, who also love making every Japanese character sound like Spongebob or Rick and Morty characters because that's all they know in life.Take your ad populum nonsense and shove it up your ass.>this isNot applicable. Names should be left alone in general because they have significance.Take the appeal to authority and also shove it up your ass. These looney troons don't act "professional" in the slightest, and the only "standard" they hold themselves to is "how much can I deface this work and still get a paycheck?". They openly admit it, too, with glee.All your bitching to me and that other guy rings especially hollow when several of them even gloat about barely knowing Japanese and just "vibing".
>>736973313As grating as that is, they are children and are written as children. Real life children are even more cringe.
>>736973182>Why don't they just translate what the guy is saying as literally as possibleBecause it's impossible.>I don't expect him to talk like a New Yorker or anything.So why are you expecting a japanese character in a japanese game in a japanese world to speak english at all, retard?If you wanna play the reductionist game at least do it right and own it.>Are there concepts that only Japanese people can understand?Why do you think terms like Umami are untranslated, retard?>localization is a marketing strategy.Welcome to several decades ago, retard, and I'm sorry to point it out to you but it's not your imaginary trans people who do shit like pic related, I know this is your daily psyop thread but you do not belong in here and stop using games to peddle your partisan political bullshit, fucking subhuman mutt
>>736973458vidya writers are failed writers too thoughever
>>736973513>Why do you think terms like Umami are untranslatedBecause a Japanese scientist proposed classifying it as another sense of tasteThat's like saying we use the word biology because there isn't a way to say "study of life" in English.
>>736972825Yup, all translations were made with Gemini. I'd call it basically perfect in terms of comprehension and accuracy.
>>736973313as a certified japanese knower, gyaru speech is annoying as fuckseems like the localizer did a good job
>>736973458The trannylation defense force here would have you believe that you are unable to criticize any of it because "you aren't An Expert™."This autistic "logic" fails to account for the fact that it's more than reasonable to criticize any product.I don't need to know how cars work to say a self-driving car that drove me off the road is a piece of shit.I don't need to be a restaurant inspector to refuse a dish whose ingredients fouled.I don't need to be a professional boxer to tell you that getting punched in the face is bad for your brain.
>>736973607Human is better in this one. Nobody speaks like the AI does here.>>736973513THIS WAS ALSO BETTER FUCKIN FIGHT ME. Who the fuck would hire a chef that smokes?
>>736973486So you think that making up slang is "preserving the intent and culture" of a source material using regional dialects better than a translation that also uses regional dialects.I'd say you clearly suffer from severe cognitive dissonance if it weren't clear you're just a political shitposter EOP.>Yeah, because most trannylatorsLiterally every single translator out there does this and did it for literal centuries, for every single language, it's common and accepted praxis that is literally centuries old.Meanwhile you're an EOP retard on 4chan, who do you think holds more credibility?>Not applicable.It is absolutely applicable.In fact people used to do this extensively up to barely a century ago when most european nations were ultranationalist and insisted on translating foreign names into their own language in almost every case down to olympic athletes' names, which you'd know if you actually were in the field and studied history and theory of translation, which you didn't.Stop peddling your illogical bullshit in here because you don't have a job.>>736973598Retard, other languages have equivalents to the word biology but nobody has an equivalent for Umami, which is precisely why it's left as is since it's a uniquely japanese concept.
>>736966183Is there some tool available to AI-translate any game in real time? I know translation tools exist, but in mod form more so than a third-party program running on top of any game. I wouldn't even need the text injected into the game, as long as I could get a text box overlay with the translation
>>736973626>certified japanese knower>gyaru speech annoyingyou don't know japanese at all, why larp
>>736973029I'd argue the majority of complaints are centered around rewrites and censorship.>>736973816>Human is better in this one. Nobody speaks like the AI does here.Speak like how? Normal people? Get a better argument, Mr. Localizer.
>LE HECKING AI WILL SAVE US AND SHEEETThe difference between teineigo, sonkeigo, kenjougo, both in terms of distinct grammar forms and separate vocabulary all getting flushed down the shitter? Never heard of these, so it's not a problem.Non-existence of ageru, kudaru and morau in other languages to indicate doing favor, and these getting further getting complicated with shit like the above-mentioned polite forms? Who cares?All commonly used imperative forms collapsing into "do it" and "please do it"? Lol, lmao even.Even personal pronouns all collapsing into "I" and "you" somehow doesn't seem to raise any objections even though casuals typically know the whole deal with ore/boku/watashi/atashi and so on, and that characters in Japanese media do sometimes play around with and comment their usage in the stories.Sentence-final particles poofing out of existence? Your average retard likely only knows "ne" and "yo" anyway, and the former is often covered with ", right?", so problem solved I guess.I could go on but the point is that somehow none of these things and more getting lost in translation due to innate differences between Japanese and other languages ever raise the alarm among the stalwart defenders of Nipponese's exotic linguistic quirks folded 9001 times. The retards posturing about authenticity only care about the theme park illusion of it, that is to say, the names getting sprinkled with "-san", "-sama", -"kun" and "-chan", because that's all it takes to make the average weaboo faggot with Dunning-Kruger believe he has grasped ze TAMASHII offu NIHONGO.
>>736973902None which utilize a proprietary model like Gemini. The tech is there, but I think there's currently some issues trying to create a non-token-based software that can handle real-time translation as good as the SotA models.
>>736973996Youd have a point if localizers gave a single shit about any of that, instead of putting gamergate references in and turning characters into mouthpieces that call people incels.
>>736973912It is annoying. It's like listening to a california valley girl.
>>736973996It's not even that, it's bona fide subhuman useful idiots who have no interest in the actual problems of translations and just want to shill for the based and redpilled AI because apparently all translators and localizers are radical leftist transexuals who work for israel, want to turn you and your children gay and resurrect the soviet union.None of these faggots even know any language other than english, they don't even fucking realize that the people who set the standards for AI are the very same people who handle translations and localizations.
>>736973996>ageru, kudaru and morauAre you ever gonna fix this copypasta or is the blatant mistake meant to be ironic?
>>736973626It's far closer to valley girl than fucking zoomer lingo, you squid breath
>>736963838That fag didn't even work on FF11, what kind of retarded picture is this
>>736963942A lot of the people complaining about english localizations are non-westerners (from LATAM and Eastern Europe) who get confused by all of the western pop culture references and customs despite the game not releasing in their country to begin with. I agree that they should get a localization tailored for their own countries, but I dislike the fact that they want to remove the profession entirely.
>>736963285>>736964031>>736964064>>736964094>>736964262>constantly spamming this same bait thread>spamming the same screenshots in every thread>he does this every day, for no financial compensationNiggas will do LITERALLY ANYTHING but actually learn Japanese. It's so sad.
>>736974128>people who set the standards for AI are the very same people who handle translations and localizations.I think if there's one thing all of these images should show you, it's that the AI is not censored nor influenced by the opinion of localizers.
AI translation still needs a hell of a lot of work still, just because it's good at rendering a result in English doesn't mean that result is correct. It's a start though.
>>736973513>!It's impossible!"Yet humanity has been doing this for millennia.>So why are you expecting a japanese character in a japanese game in a japanese world to speak english at all, retard?Look what happens when your entire cultural background is based on low-quality commercial garbage.Haven’t you ever read a single classic, not even in your own language, you fucking illiterate? Anything old of your own country that you read will be both understandable and yet radically unfamiliar.>Why do you think terms like Umami are untranslated, retard?That was a rhetorical question. There is no abstract concept that only one race of human beings can understand. Intelligence isn't exactly your strong suit, is it?>Welcome to several decades ago, retard, and I'm sorry to point it out to you but it's not your imaginary trans people who do shit like pic related, I know this is your daily psyop thread but you do not belong in here and stop using games to peddle your partisan political bullshit, fucking subhuman muttOh, and it's just some transvestite lover trying to do exactly what I said he would do in the other post. Go fuck yourself. You have absolutely no culture, as your post shows. You don't know shit about what you're talking about. You're just a fucking apologist.
>>736974095No AI and no LOLCOWlizer will save you. The only way out is learning the language or shutting the fuck up and accepting that you will eat slop.
>>736973868Yes, because they aren't equivalent, you mouth breathing mongoloid. Being creative and using contractions, compound words, etc. is far better and would achieve a much more comparable outcome.Copy pasting Sandy Cheeks or le funni boston man into everything is a disservice to say the least. Apples are not oranges, there are distinct cultural and linguistic differences between dialects in any given region.Shocking, I know.>muh ad populum againAgain, IDGAF if "most do this". "Most people" on Earth, statistically, shit in a hole in the middle of their "house" and don't wash their hands or bodies for days, weeks, or even months at a time, so why aren't you emulating them? Be consistent here.>muh ad populum AGAIN and using the actions of ignorant retards to justify further raping all culture and intent out of a piece of mediaYour fallacious ass can keep repeating this all this bullshit ad nauseam, it doesn't make it any more compelling, let alone true.Good job completely ignoring the points I brought up that your """""respective professionals""""" repeatedly engage in unprofessional behavior, especially when doing their "work", like openly declaring they barely know Japanese. It's legitimately only trannylation where "just vibing it lol" gets you a pass, because they have their fellow nepohires and gullible faggots like you to defend their every shithead action.Other industries where hiring on merit matters would see them out of a job at best, but more likely the subject of a lawsuit or two. We should really start doing that.You can engage with this topic in good faith in any time, instead of being a dismissive homo endlessly spouting fallacious faggotry.
>>736974068I guess you'd need a local model that's tuned for translation? I'll admit I don't know much about AI, but I see the obvious problem in relying on a cloud service to process the game, even if you only update it with a new frame once every few seconds
>>736974191He obviously did?
>>736973486>>736974309you sound extremely unemployed
>learn JapaAAAAAACK!Uh oh.
>>736974214No, AI is extremely accurate. 2 years ago, I might've agreed with you, but not anymore.
>>736974373I'll happily accept that concession.
You don't like it because it's "better", you like it because it's bland and you want to win the culture war. That said, the examples here ARE pretty bad.
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>>736974392I remember that fan translation. What a trip
>>736974446It is objectively better, though.
>>736974217>Yet humanity has been doing this for millennia.No, this is literally not the case at all.>Anything old of your own country that you read will be both understandable and yet radically unfamiliar.Not really, no, and that has nothing to do with the point you're addressing either so this is a nonsensical argument, you don't even know what country I'm from.>There is no abstract concept that only one race of human beings can understand.Retard, a key problem of translation and communication is precisely that different languages have different concepts and nuances that can't be translated directly, which is why calques and idioms have existed since the beginning of time.>You don't know shit about what you're talking about.I know far more than you do, which is why you're here screeching about imaginary trannies rather than bringing something concrete to this farce of a conversation.>>736974309>because they aren't equivalentThey literally are.Exchanging a regional dialect for another regional dialect in a target language is literally the closest equivalence you can find, which again, is centuries old praxis unlike your nonsense.>Again, IDGAF if "most do thisOkay, you being a reactionary who denies reality and brings up indians to make a point are worth exactly nothing.>Good job completely ignoring the points I brought up that your """""respective professionals""""" repeatedly engage in unprofessional behavior,Said by the retard who doesn't even know how equivalence works this is really rich.Again, you're a fucking delusional loser which is why nobody takes you seriously and you're here making the same dogshit offtopic thread ad nauseam 24/7, you don't even fucking play videogames.
>>736974375>see, it’s not worth it because there is one game that’s pozzed out of 50000+, so the 50000+ should be played with a shitty english translation!
>>736974514Your brain shut off on that last sentence, huh? I conceded that there are many egregious examples from the first post.
>>736974437The fact that you have to use AI to double check the translators' work means that you're not qualified to make that statement.The examples here are blatantly obvious editorializing and defacto censorship. MTL will be better than that, obviously because it's not just making shit up from whole cloth. But here's one for you to localize yourself to illustrate the HARD part of translation: 超究武神覇斬
>>736974493It's laughably bad.
>>736973996Here's the thing: most people don't actually want an accurate translation; what they want is a faithful translation. Most localizers today are obnoxious fuckwits that make a point out of shitting on the original writing's artistic intent, but it doesn't have to be that way. Just because you can't replicate keigo or certain grammar, doesn't mean you can't convey the same intent. You can still be respectful in English, or imply that what you're doing is a favor, or that you're thankful for the help or opportunity. The people who don't understand that are, ironically enough, the very sort of people working as localizers right now. If you need 100% authenticity, stop posting on 4chan and go learn the fucking language already
Honestly, looking at this thread, I think I'd rather have AI translations at this point than whatever the fuck these "human" translations are.
>>736974514AI is worse here though, it removes the nuance of Tails seeking affirmation from Sonic.
>>736974210This one is great because it's ONLY the English translation that's like this, all the other languages translated this like you'd expect a non-retard to.
>>736974656They also added a bunch of stupid "jokes" to random NPCs. I remember some door you could interact with in one of the towns giving you a "My husband is back! Quick, you have to leave!" or something like that. I forget if the PS1 version was also a fan translation, but it seemed miles better in every respectObligatory https://youtu.be/wZlUXSYjliQ
Is there any example of an actually good translation you anons have seen in a game? Something that didn't fuck up the scripts, characters and dialogue and faithfully translated the text well?I swear so much in translation nowadays just completely alters the text for no reason.
>>736974558They aren't. Sandy Cheeks =/= any Japanese dialect. Endlessly repeating this false equivalence will never make it true.>closest equivalence reIt isn't, they have completely distinct cultural and linguistic features. Creating new words and slangs with contractions and whatnot would achieve far better result, but again, that's out of the skillset of trannylators who just want to make everything sound like Marvel adjacent quipshit.>reactionaryIronic, considering you're the one opposing any proposed reform to long held, mistaken beliefs, but it's not like I'd expect a trannylation defender that has routinely spewed fallacious autism to know what any of the buzzwords he uses means.And of course, followed up with the truly epic "T-THAT DOESN'T COUNT". Shocking, I say, that these rules are only ever applied when it's expedient for the trannylation defense force.>autistic projectionNeat.>YOU ARE LE SILLY CARICATURE!!!!11!!!!You have to go back.No one gives a fuck about your endless false equivalencies or ad populums. Again, learn to engage with this topic in good faith instead of being a dismissive downie homo.Localization is wet dogass and deserves nothing but scorn and contempt at the least. I know you subhumans have a deep, seething hatred for Japan and Japanese culture because it's "icky icky gross gross weird ewww", but pointing to your fellow retards that consistently profess their hatred for it, and ignoring how they "just vibe" when """""translating""""" just makes you look equally retarded and ideologically motivated here.
>>736963285>Heckin' cripes!This guy is a fucking hack.>SaGa using the visual novel templateHow long has this been happening?
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>>736974627I could double check their work myself, but it's much funnier to watch an AI dunk on them without any input.>But here's one for you to localize yourself to illustrate the HARD part of translation: 超究武神覇斬That's not hard to translate. It's a non-idiomatic, six-character proper noun: Super Ultimate Martial God Supreme Slash.See? Easy. What's your response to that? It doesn't "sound" good? It's too "long" for a PS1 game? Whatever limitation you want to impose is just going to result in a pithy rewrite, which is just as easy to render.
>Just learn Japanese, chud!!!My proficiency of the Language has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I just want to see all failed writers whos been desecrating my hobby for a living get their comeuppance.Localized cancer should be treated before it spreads. Your N3 won't save you once these apes starts affecting the source material as well.
>>736974684>Most localizers todayThey've always been like that, it was actually way worse in the past because not only were fanfiction and rewrites way more rampant and just as political as it is today, the alternative was incredibly literal and poorly made localizations made by people who couldn't even parse katakana...or nothing at all, most games just weren't brought over altogether.FFXII for instance got glazed incredibly hard for its localization despite being completely made up to the point they gave multiple accents to EVERYONE in the cast despite the original script having no such thing, it was so well received in fact that it sort of set some industry standard moving forward, and before that it was stuff like Vagrant Story doing the exact same.And you know what? This shit ain't changing any time soon because that's how it implicitly works.
>>736974816That post is trolling. There is no way for AI to arrive at "We did it" from "yokatta...yokatta ne"
>>736974787That sounds awfully transphobic and bigoted of you
>>736974897nta>GLORIOUS NIHON has no concept of a country bumpkin voicelol lmao
>>736970880https://guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammarhttps://www.kanjidamage.com/Learn the grammar, learn to read, look up words you don't know.
>>736963973That is not a translation.
>>736974891Never played a game with the translation and original text side by side, so it's hard to say. I did notice a few obvious liberties in Nier Automata (like the joke about one of the androids being named Jackass, whereas in the original it was simply accepted) since I played it with JP audio, but most of it seemed to be on point
>>736975012>NTA [strawman faggot chimpout]Again, apples aren't oranges, dipshit.Go watch Spongebob if you want Sandy Cheeks in all the media you consume.
>>736974897>It isn't, they have completely distinct cultural and linguistic featuresYeah, welcome to how languages work.>Creating new words and slangs with contractions and whatnot would achieve far better result,No it doesn't which is why nobody does that.>considering you're the one opposing any proposed reform to long heldI'm opposing anything that is completely retarded and with no basis in reality, this is being rational, not reactionary, you have literally no ground to stand on.>Again, learn to engage with this topic in good faithI'm not an EOP and I play these games in japanese to begin with, you're the one not engaging in good faith since not only you have completely illogical arguments, you keep making the same dogshit thread with the same dogshit posts over and over with no actual concern for the practice, but to attack people.You are a subhuman rightoid SJW acting exactly like the tumblrinas we used to laugh at in the early 10's, you ARE a caricature.
sisters, we could really use a general
>>736974205Maybe you should get the hint that "learn Japanese" is not a response to the localizer problem? Especially when they are now shitting up games at the source.I encourage people to learn Japanese. Why do you faggots always use it as a way to shut down discussion? And why do you assume that the people criticizing localizers don't know Japanese anyway?Because you're a dirty fucking disingenuous rat, that's why.>>736970880>to consume kino straight from the tapThat will only work with older games. Newer ones will be pozzed by these freaks from the very start.Definitely learn Japanese, but don't think it's a replacement for fighting these vandals.
>>736975096>le strawmanspecific example meets obvious counterexamplego back to posting your "you only like it because it's japanese" cope image, it'll be less damaging to your ego
>>736974969Nope, Gemini is aware of the common idiomatic forms of this phrasing.
>>736975194Well gemini fucking sucks then because it ignored the ね entirely. There's two goddamn words and a particle in there it's not hard and one of the words is "sonic"
>>736974558>No, this is literally not the case at all.Literal translations have been used in religious texts for fucking millennia.But obviously, I don’t want a literal translation, I want the most literal translation possible. I don’t mind if the text sounds weird, and I don’t mind if a character speaks in a awkard way.>Not really, no, and that has nothing to do with the point you're addressing either so this is a nonsensical argumentIt’s not my fault if, in your desperation to defend activists, you didn’t pay attention to what I wrote.Someone speaking English is different from someone speaking in a form of English that’s familiar to you, which is why I used a "New Yorker" as an example, because a New Yorker speaking today would speak in a way that’s familiar to most Americans.What I said about classic texts is directly linked to this idea. If you translate Japanese as literally as possible, it will sound quite unfamiliar to you, just like an old text in your own language, but that doesn’t mean it will be completely incomprehensible.>Retard, a key problem of translation and communication is precisely that different languages have different concepts and nuances And my whole point is that translation is a flawed tool, but one that is extremely useful.If you want to capture every nuance, translation isn’t enough, not even for closely related languages.But here’s the thing: you don’t need to read Dostoevsky in Russian to grasp a lot of the philosophy behind his books. That’s what translation is for. To give you access to, say, 80% of content that you’d normally have 0% access to.Localization has nothing to do with any of that. Often, localization REMOVES your access to the content, and the example of the surfer character from Alundra, ruined by Working Designs, is a perfect illustration of this.
We GOTS to spice dem slant eye games fo dem, dey don't season dey language
>>736974891I admit I haven't done a truly deep analysis of the translations, but of the 100 lines or so I've checked, the .hack series seems to have a largely faithful translation.
>>736974108Listening to Californian valley girls makes my dick extremely hard.
How are you retards not tired of this? Are you all underage?I've dried this subject up so bad years ago I can't fathom there are still people going at itThere isn't a single novel argument being shared here, everytime I'm about to write a reply I stop midway realizing that I've already wrote the same argument dozens of times. Don't you get tired of this?
>>736975251ね in many cases, like the Sonic example, is purely rhetorical and unidiomatic to English phrasing, so it's common to not include it in translation.
>>736975164>Maybe you should get the hint that "learn Japanese" is not a response to the localizer problem?It's the only response to the localizer problem because this shit has been going since the beginning of time and is not changing any time soon.Localization is implicitly bound to make changes to the source material because it's LITERALLY what's there for, it's in the fucking name even, you're not changing that, that's how different cultures work, it's a huge waste of time and frankly a self-defeating argument because even the best localization out there is ultimately still not the source material and inherently inferior if what you care about is being as true as possible to the source material.The same is true for translations, they're a tiny bit better on average but even there you're dealing with the same exact problems, it's even worse for books because the same book can be translated by various different people who will all end up with a different text, which is why some people like Borges argued that the act of translation was not only wholly legitimate in the way it changes the source material but can even improve upon it.>And why do you assume that the people criticizing localizers don't know Japanese anyway?Because it's overwhelmingly the case.>>736975259>Literal translations have been used in religious texts for fucking millennia.No they don't you clueless retards, religious texts are the worst possible example because not only were they heavily redacted, the translations were more often than not wrong, which is why there's a centuries long diatribe on the Virgin Mary not actually being a "Virgin" in the sense that she never fucked before.You're not only clueless and duplicitous, you're horribly fucking ignorant, stop posting immediately.
>>736975251"Ne" is often rhetorical in Japanese. You don't explicitly need to add a "right?" in English to match it
>>736974891>Is there any example of an actually good translationRance games
>>736975130>YeahSo treating them as the exact same is a disservice, got it.>nobody does thatAgain, back with the "ad populum" nonsense.Why aren't you unwashed and shitting in the middle of your house, tourist faggot? "Everyone does it", after all, if we look at the world as a whole.Be consistent here, please, and don't copout this time.>retarded with no basis in reality"Reality" being "the homo, hate-filled conventions of rainbow haired freaks that despise Japanese culture to the core and who don't actually know Japanese, who openly profess their hatred of Japanese culture and gloat about their low effort 'work' on their products". Yeah, I'mma go ahead and disregard that., because it's retarded beyond words.>this autistic chimp out againOnce more, this isn't my thread.>idpol brainrot + obsession out of nowhereYep, thanks for confirming you're part of the trannylation defense force that just stalks the catalog for this topic and adjacent ones to derail.Also>we"We" have always shit on bad translations. Normalfaggot tourists have always given them a pass because they despise Japanese culture and just want quips, memes and American cultural references regurgitated to them, even in Japanese media.No one cares about this predditor "both sides" autism you want to bring up to try and validate your downie diatribes and projection.>>736975172>NOOOOO don't call me out on my fallacious retardationGo back to sperging out about that one small forum no one knows about.>>736975274kek, accurate
>>736975087>Automataoof..
>>736975390>Don't you get tired of this?Has it stopped happening yet?Yes, I'm very tired of it. I would like them to stop.They're not stopping. So on we go.
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>>736975443>fallacy is when you get challenged on the only example you gaveback to the image
>>736975390I think it's an issue which has only gotten worse over time. If anything, discussion is more relevant than ever.
>>736963285How is an accent earthy
>>736975443>So treating them as the exact sameNobody's treating them as the exact same you idiot.>back with the "ad populum" nonsense.Everyone agrees that the sky is blue and that apples are a fruit, but apparently this is all "ad populum" nonsense to you.>"Reality" being "the homo, hate-filled conventions of rainbow haired freaks that despise Japanese culture to the coreYour hallucinations have nothing to do with reality, you keep showing how you're only here to peddle your political propaganda rather than wanting to honestly discuss the subject at hand.>this isn't my thread.It is, which is why you keep making it and posting the same shit over and over.>"We" have always shit on bad translations.No, "we" didn't, you don't even care about translations, you're just here to peddle your rightoid bullshit.Fuck off and die, you contribute nothing to this planet.
>>736975463Your oof tells me nothing
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>>736975543Well these threads still use the exact same screenshots as 5 years ago and these make up at least 60% of the image count
>>736974787Why not just skip to the real issue and block California from contact with the rest of the world?
>>736975426>It's the only response to the localizer problem because this shit has been going since the beginning of time and is not changing any time soon.It's not a response to the localizer problem, because the localizers are vandalizing the source material now."It's too hard so just give up" isn't an argument. We may never make progress, but I'm sure as shit not going to roll over and be quiet about it, Japanese learning or no.>it's a huge waste of time and frankly a self-defeating argument because even the best localization out there is ultimately still not the source material >"It's impossible to be perfect so we shouldn't even try"You always make a point of saying how much you dislike inaccurate translations too, but it's really starting to seem like you are just here to run interference for them and shut down criticism.If you don't think it's worth fighting about or discussing, why don't you just fuck off and do something else with your day? Why are you obsessed with coming into these threads and trying to unravel them with every fucking excuse you can think of?>you're just culture warriors exploiting my precious SaGa (which I alone have claim to) so everything you say is invalid>just learn japanese, it's useless to complain>ah but it's impossible to do it right, stop wanting betterJust fuck off dude. Your agenda won't find any purchase here. Tell your localizer buddies to do a better fucking job if they want us to stop complaining.
>>736963285He unironically mog me
>>736975673Oh, you've seen the one in the OP before? Where?
>>736969107>>736967879>>736967601Yet another shortcoming of localization at the conceptual level of injecting our culture to try and evoke or explain traits of another culture when those comparisons do not map on 1 to 1 on each other.
>>736975781>reading comprehension
>>736975736Californians would just escape containment, you'd need to give them the exterminatus treatment.
>>736975537>challengedThat's way too generous for what's intentionally misrepresenting what I said. And yes, it is fallacious. Denying it doesn't make it any less true.Try again, dipshit.>>736975543NOOOO you're just supposed to shut up and not talk about this topic ever again!!!!11!!:(>>736975612You literally are, faggot.No, "all fruit are the same" is a false equivalence. You are treating all dialects and accents as the same and interchangeable between all regions and cultures, which is also a false equivalence.What's "ad populum" is you referencing your Japan-hating """""professionals""""" shithead behaviors over several years and from all their subhuman colleagues to justify this being the "standard" in trannylation.>dismissive autism againIronically it's the wokealizers with a political slant here, wanting to rape all the Japanese identity out of each work and replace it with western slop.>muh boogeymanSo utterly tortured by any amount of dissent towards wokealization that you legitimately think everyone is the same poster.We need to go back to electrocuting you retards to fix this kinda shit.>n-no! [more tourist troon chimpouts]Ironic, coming from a faggot posturing over never dealing with wokealization, but is the most avid defender of it for some reason, because...... "EvErYoNe ElSe Is JuMpInG oFf ThE bRiDgE tHo!!!1!!!!"Neato!
>>736975673The same people are in the industry and they are unapologetically doing the same thing they always have. I don't care if some of the examples are older. It really just gives context for how long they've been wiping their ass with our games.And this game is from 2024 and the attached twitter post is from late 2025, faggot.
>>736975848Yeah, that's what I thought.
>>736975390I'll stop caring when it stops happening Triviality whining only works on lefties
>>736975739>It's not a response to the localizer problem, because the localizers are vandalizing the source material now.They always did and always will be, that's the entire point of the job and it's never going to change no matter how hard you screech about it, the only solution is to learn the language whether you like it or not.>If you don't think it's worth fighting about or discussing, why don't you just fuck off and do something else with your day?Because I hate duplicitous SJWs like you who claim to be interested in something, especially cultural aspects of other nations, while you just want to peddle your political bullshit and have no real interest let alone knowledge of what you advocate for.And I hate it even more when you do this shit for franchises I care about and try to weaponize them to serve your agenda, it's not that hard to get, your pseudo-purism is laughable and incredibly easy to dismantle, if you want me to fuck off stop making these dogshit threads and stop weaponizing the games I care about.>>ah but it's impossible to do it rightYes, it's literally impossible to do it right, especially the way you want it to be.>>736975861>You are treating all dialects and accents as the same and interchangeable between all regions and culturesRetard, you are literally too stupid to see how you defeat your own argument.If you advocate for equivalence then it's only natural to replace a dialect with another dialect because that's implicitly how the game's setting works, and you're denying that on extremely shaky pseudo-linguistic nonsense that completely ignores the intent of the source script.And no, it's not a false equivalence, society and fact checking works by consensum, your inane bullshit isn't accepted because everyone agrees it's just that, your retarded rightoid crusade is not going anywhere because you're literally fucking insane.
>>736975736This only works if all califaggots are forced back into the state to remain there. Also add oregon and ny to that list
>>736975861>bro has never heard of paraphrasing>bro thinks that a texas stereotype and an osaka stereotype are different in any meaningful way for a show for children>bro will INSIST on this to his grave>bro needs to just post the image already so that he can plug his ears
>>736975931>>736975892Your constant whining on a circlejerking forum with no reach is truly admirable. You'll definitely change things bro.What a nest of utterly delusional losers who believe anything other than buying localization companies, translating games yourself or outright killing bad translators will change anything lmaoWhat are you even trying to do? Generate a widespread boycott?Just go kill them holy fucking retard, your whining is POINTLESS, utterly pointless, stop saying you keep wasting your time on these shitty threads because it's your moral duty. Just admit you're a newfag who arrived here yesterday or that you enjoy repeating the same things over and over please, that's the only way I can believe I'm not sharing this board with literal asylum escapees who believe they're going to change anything by sperging out on /v/ of all places
>>736974953That's the MTL solution, yes. But you LACK UNDERSTANDING.超 - A character with similar meaning to extreme or supreme. It doesn't have to use that exact word because it's not that word, it's a different word that evokes the same meaning. 究 - This one is the hard one. It means "research". But 究極 means "ultimate". 極める means "to go to extremes" or "exhaust completely". 武神 - Bushin. A god of war, but this is equivalent to calling a Seraph a 'guardian angel'. Everybody knows what a Bushin is, there is no need to translate this.覇 - supremacy, domination. Also, championship or victory.斬 - Beheading. If you didn't see it from searching, 超究武神覇斬 was translated as the more familiar "Omnislash". So Bushin Victory Cut or War God's Supreme Slash or whatever is the easy part. Just pick what sounds good. But how does Supreme Research fit here? In the context of the game, we know that this is the final limit break. The FF fandom wiki translates at as "translimit" but that's not a word. BUT WAIT there's another word that uses this kanji: 究竟, "conclusion". So when we look at the kanji itself, it carries an implication of finality. The way kanji work, this carries over to other words. So now we have Supreme Final Bushin's Conquest Beheading. So if we pick those definitions, that gives us our starting point. Whatever we translate it to should most of those elements. OR we can say fuck it and call it omnislash because who cares.Ideally you would have some communication and clarification from the author, but Japan doesn't seem to DO that very often and when they do, they're just as bad at english as americans are at japanese and you end up with near-MTL translations anyway.>>736975402>>736975427OFTEN absent. It should not be absent in this case. Tails is initiating conversation here, so he is prompting for acknowledgement. It would be closest to the Canadian "eh?". The idea of a Canadian Tails is pretty funny though.
>>736976178You sure about that? Someone posted one of the pictures from these threads to Twitter just recently and got almost 4000 likeshttps://x.com/autopilotgod/status/2041146334971867138
>>7369762654K likes is a literal joke, but thank you for exposing how you're literal unhinged twitter immigrants, this truly keeps getting better and better
>>736976042>n-no uThis literally doesn't work. I'm arguing that it's dishonest and bad practice to do this shit. Meanwhile, you think any similarities, no matter how tenuous, gives faggots free reign with this nonsense. That's bad faith engagement.>it's only naturalAgain, if you don't care about doing a good job + your only frame of reference is American media, I guess? But again, making Japanese characters sound like Sandy Cheeks is a disservice to those IPs.>that completely ignores the intent of the source scriptLOL, cute projection, but that's actually what happens when you make everything sound like Marvel quipshit and stereotypical mutts, instead of leaving in the Japanese identity.>n-noYes, it is. Denying it doesn't make it less true.>muh consensum muh fact checkingLOLThe truth isn't determined by what the majority agrees on, it's irrelevant of that. For example, thinking you're a woman in a man's body is a mental illness and always will be, and ironically was considered so by society at large for millenia, up until money got involved."Fact checking" is a joke. Your ad populum bullshit is equally ludicrous. Again, why are you not unwashed, shitting in the middle of your house? That's what the "consensus" is amongst the majority of humanity.>NOOOOO JUMPING OFF BRIDGE GOOD BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE DO IT!!!11!!Complete, unabashed, total, perfect, irrevocable retardation.Good job dodging all those other inconvenient points. Again.>>736976062>if I minimize my faggotry then maybe people won't think it's as badNot gonna work.>differentYeah, both culturally and linguistically. Texas and Osaka are different, the people from both talk and behave differently, too. It's a disservice to overwrite the latter with the former because you're a failed writer troon without an ounce of creativity in your body.>still going on about some autistic shitIDK what you're talking about, but it sure sounds like "rent free" to me.
>>736976265Right wing grifters use this place as a content farm. It's pretty sad because they're literally always wrong. Like Assassin's Creed didn't bomb because it made a black dude something he might not have been, it bombed because it was so culturally offensive it pissed Japan off. It was actually the left that had the right to be offended at the game.
>>736964149'I before E, except after C' is a common rote memorization for spelling words in english. The original japanese may have something of that kind.
>>736976178The only proof I need are bootlickers and localizers doing damage control nonstop. If it truly "doesn't matter", you wouldn't even be here fellating on their cock 24/7. Stupid retard.
>>736976178You are losing.https://twistedvoxel.com/falcom-to-speed-up-localization-via-ai-translation/
>>736974852It was done during that era in which fan translators could act like they were indie Working Designs, and if you complained you were yelled at by literally everyone because "YOU WOULDN'T GET IT OTHERWISE REEEEE!!!"As someone from that era, I can tell you how fucking glad I am that everyone from back then is out of the scene. Zoomers have been doing such, such a better job handling it than Millennials or Xillennials ever did.Also yes, the PS1 remake was also fan translated. By two groups. They were also not retarded about it, unlike DeJap.
You have to give the trannylation defense force credit where it's due.They've gone nearly 300 posts without bringing up /pol/ yet, that HAS to be a new record in these anti-localization threads.
>>736975390I can ask you the same question. Nobody forcing you to enter the thread and/or making some quippy reddit tier post. The only underage here is you since you lack the maturity to avoid the thread(s) you have little to no interest in.I'm not the one who intentionally enters a thread that I hate just to seethe and fish for attention, manchild.
>>736976042>They always did and always will beShow me games from the 80s and 90s that were altered from their original intention by the input of localizer teams. Show me something equivalent to the Persona 3 remake having a scene changed at the source (not just paved over in the western release like Persona 5 Royal) because it would offend western sensibilities.It has not been happening all along. But if it had, learning Japanese and shutting up about it would be even less of an answer.>Because I hate duplicitous SJWs like you who claim to be interested in something, especially cultural aspects of other nations, while you just want to peddle your political bullshit Ah, I see you're trying this again, only now I know for sure that it's just dishonest bullshit. I've seen enough of you now to know what you're doing. Just another one of your little tricks as you try to get us to stop talking about it.>go on the attack (right wing scum!)>appeal to triviality (why are you talking about this?)>redirection (just learn japanese bro)>demoralization (it's pointless...)>And I hate it even more when you do this shit for franchises I care about and try to weaponize them to serve your agendaThis won't work. My agenda is pure. Yours is dishonest. I think now that you either work as a localizer or know people who do, and you're trying to shut this shit down so it doesn't threaten your/their job. That thought just motivates me to be louder and more prolific. Vandal scum like you shouldn't be anywhere near MY games. Yes, MY games, not yours, because I care about them enough to defend them from you.>Yes, it's literally impossible to do it rightIt's impossible to do it perfect, which is just an excuse for ideologues like you to indulge their worst, most dishonest excesses.>if you want me to fuck off stop making these dogshit threads and stop weaponizing the games I care about.I'm not OP, but no. Never.
>>736976397>yeahcould have stopped there and saved yourself some mental gymnasticscould have stopped even earlier if you just said you picked an absolutely abysmal examplebut that would mean something less than total ego victory
>>736976443It's irrelevant, which is why the trannylation defense force has to spend every waking minute of every day making sure (You) know that, and that's it's NOT okay to talk about this any further.>>736976523The point is to get you to shut up and to stop talking about these topics because it's inconvenient.
>>736976451>alongside human supervision.Why do you complain about translations when you can't read anyway? >>73697654180s AND 90s you say? 80s would be hard, Japanese companies did a lot of their own in-house translation back then which is how you end up with some games being utter gibberish. But 90s includes the entire SNES library.
Trannylators will defend this.
>>736976178>Your constant whining on a circlejerking forum with no reach is truly admirable. You'll definitely change things bro.He says, camping these threads 24/7 so he can desperately try to shut them down every time.Awareness and attitudes are shifting and it terrifies you.Corporate greed being what it is, it will probably only take a little push to get you replaced by AI. The smallest whiff of a preference for machine translations over the garbage you vomit out.I'd rather human translations myself. And I hate AI taking jobs in general. But since YOU are a disgusting vandal who is demonstrably worse than AI in every single way, I'll cheer as I watch it replace you. I'll throw a fucking party.Your time defacing my hobby is coming to an end and I couldn't be happier about it.
>>736976397>I'm arguing that it's dishonest and bad practice to do this shit.You think it's dishonest to maintain the source script idea of regional dialects but it's so much better to straight up trash it and make up some fantasy slang because the TRVE AND PVRE american weeb eyes want AVTENTICITY...by reading an english translation that literally makes up a slang that goes against the author's original intentions?And you wonder why people laugh at you.>Again, if you don't care about doing a good job + your only frame of reference is American media, I guess?Hello? What do you think localizations are?Why do you think it's called LOCALization?Because it's meant to adapt something to a specific LOCAL market, that's the entire fucking point and always has been, the intent has always been to change foreign cultures into something relatable and palatable to a local target audience, and that has also nothing to do with the original point about using a regional dialect.>The truth isn't determined by what the majority agrees on, it's irrelevant of that.It is, the entire scientific process works exactly like that, people create theories and arguments that are then validated by the scientific community until something better comes up and the community decides to agree on something.>thinking you're a woman in a man's body is a mental illness and always will be, and ironically was considered so by society at large for milleniaIt still is by the way, outside of your little rightoid mutt bubble, thanks for reminding us what you really are though, I appreciate that.
You think OP is a fag because translation is hard.I think OP is a fag because AI is shit.We are not the same.
>>736975430Who TL'd Sengoku Rance better, Takajun or Arunaru?
>>736976541It's ironic, because this faggot is arguing for leaving the political quipshit, cultural imperialism trannylations alone, so his >NOOOO you fucking chudcel rightoids making this political!chimpout rings extra hollow.>>736976632What mental gymnastics? Me saying>Things aren't interchangeable because they have some similarities and it's dishonest to say they are?That's just elementary level reasoning for anyone that wants to engage a topic in good faith.Cute projection though, I guess.
auto translate doesnt use aisorry you lost your job to deepL and google translate
>>736976523It's a subject that actually interests me and I've been seeing these thread pop up more frequently, lately. I naively thought the debate would have evolved over time, with new perspectives being brought up. Instead, I find the same schizo cesspool I left and I was filled with the dread at the idea of these people being the exact same I was talking to years ago. And I sincerely hope they aren't, for their sake.
>>736970591>i can't believe that there aren't japanese people who speak english. it's extremely easy, and there's plenty of demandYou see that is the problem. There isn't demand because they have a super strong dubbing scene. Not to mention a fairly isolated entertainment industry meaning they pretty much never have to deal with English.If you don't have a coercive reason to use a language then you will lose it.
>>736976189>That's the MTL solution, yes. But you LACK UNDERSTANDING.I do not.>超 - A character with similar meaning to extreme or supreme. It doesn't have to use that exact word because it's not that word, it's a different word that evokes the same meaning. 超 is a very common prefix and almost always rendered as "super" in translation: 超人 (superman), 超常的 (supernatural), 超音速 (super sonic speed), etc.>究 - This one is the hard one. It means "research". But 究極 means "ultimate". 極める means "to go to extremes" or "exhaust completely". Are you a beginner? Certain characters, when used in compounds, are often intended to be read a clipping of a more common compound. Here, we could only take this to mean 究極, since research would be nonsensical. A common example of this would be the 魔 in 魔法 used to indicate something being magical, not necessarily demonic, like a 魔剣, 魔力, 魔弾, etc.>武神 - Bushin. A god of war, but this is equivalent to calling a Seraph a 'guardian angel'. Everybody knows what a Bushin is, there is no need to translate this.I'm sorry to say that not "everybody" knows what a "Bushin" is. Furthermore more, martial god is a standard translation for Bushin.>覇 - supremacy, domination. Also, championship or victory.Yup, covered in my translation.>斬 - Beheading. As with 超, this kanji as not meant to be taken by its narrow sense, but it's broad sense. I can tell you don't have much familiarity with Japanese, because you don't realize how often 斬 is used to refer to techniques which involve a deadly slash. The original translator who thought of Omnislash was correct in using it, since it's clear 斬 should be taken to mean 斬る.>But how does Supreme Research fit here?Wanna know what I think? I think you're supremely retarded.
>>736973298shut up goy, you don't know nothing!>>736973902no, anon. AI anything is shit. pic related is one of the reasons why
>>736974891I can think of one recent example where AI wouldn't be able to make the same determination a human did where the human's change was both logical and faithful to the original's intent. In this game the characters are all named after food; in Japanese, her name is Marsh, but the localization changed it to Mallow as the latter is associated with the plant and dessert in English.
>>736976731sandy cheekscountry voice, us :)country voice, japan, it lacks 1 billion percent of the exact same nuance so it's LITERALLY completely different in all ways and shouldn't have even been tried :( :( :(
>>736976668>But 90s includes the entire SNES library.Proof of the Japanese version of a game being "sensitivity checked" or some shit by westerners and having content removed or changed before release.Not something aimed specifically at a western audience. Something that was amended from its original intent, via westerner interference.One example alone wouldn't show that it's always been happening at the same scale as it is now, but I'll only ask for one as a show of good faith.
>>736973420it's both you tard. the joke is both that she's saying she's a beauty AND using a term that refers to a body type she couldn't be further from
>>736976867>no, anon. AI anything is shit. pic related is one of the reasons whyThat picture's gotta be years old at this point. It's much more improved.
>>736976695>>736976443>>736976451You are genuinely mentally ill. I haven't defended modern translations once, yet, as the true braindead monkeys that you are, you just label anyone who call you out as belonging to [enemy camp]. You deserve to get shot and bleed out on the street.And the translation are exactly as bad today as they were ten years ago when you retards still whining about treehouse bringing up the exact same opinions.No change in ten years, if anything it even got worse. But hey, at least some people are angry at you on /v/! Truly, this must means you're doing something right. Keep fighting windmills, retards.
>>736976541>Show me games from the 80s and 90s that were altered from their original intention by the input of localizer teams.I mean, even putting aside the numerous cuts and censored content back in the days most games wouldn't be localized altogether if they were deemed problematic which is actually worse than what we have today, but if you want a really low hanging fruit you can look at the localization of Persona 1 where Masao, AKA Mark, got turned into a nigger.Of course you being a fucking underage rightoid who doesn't play shit would totally commit the massive faux pas of mentioning P3R as a sort of gotcha moment without knowing fucking Mark, something anybody older than 20 who plays Atlus games knows.You really are a joke, as I said it's trivial to dismantle you because you don't play shit, you have no interest in the medium, you are a literal culture warrior.>I've seen enough of you now to know what you're doing.Exposing you as a total fraud? Sure, I'll keep doing it too.>This won't work. My agenda is pure.Oh so you do have an agenda now, curious! You've spent almost an entire day saying you're totally unaffiiliated and doing this for the love of the game but now you can't stop the freudian lapsuses.>Vandal scum like you shouldn't be anywhere near MY games. Yes, MY games, not yours,You don't play shit, subhuman, you're not fooling anyone, you are fucking joke of an EOP going on twitter crusades on fucking /v/ without even knowing how easy it is to expose you for the fraud you are.
>>736976926Changing names because the reader might be retarded is trash localization.
>>736976705>you thinkNo, I think it's retarded that you are implying any of this retarded bullshit has any basis in reality.The "intent" the original Japanese writers had when writing those "country bumpkins" and whatnot definitely was NOT>"HMMM YES, SANDY CHEEKS! MORTYYYYYY! SWAGDABYOLO HAWKTUAH AYYYYY OIM WALKIN' ERRRRRRRRE"And no, contractions and compound words wouldn't "invalidate" that intent. Being creative to come up with new words or slang would capture the intent better than "MORTYYYYYYYY THANOS HOWDY PARDNER", because that's jarring cancer.>LOCALizationWhich is, again, why it's shit. It's nothing less than cultural imperialism, that's all. Raping any and all cultural identity out and replacing it with another.How can you reconcile saying this shit with complete seriousness and then pretending like "THE INTENT IS PRESERVED THIS WAY"?LOLFucking retarded faggot.>scientific process works like thatnuscience, yeah, but previously science was tasked with challenging long held notions by the majority, and repeatability in experiment outcomes was the holy grail as it was basically the only way to prove something was "true".Nowadays all studies are funded by groups with agendas. Nice self own>EVERYONE IS JUMPING OFF THE BRIDGE SO THAT MEANS IT'S CORRECTTier behavior/"reasoning" is NOT scientific or pursuing "facts" or the truth. You're just a retarded homo who can't think for himselfI have to admit though, this is peak redditry from you and it is not surprising in any capacity.>completely misses the pointOf course lmfaoYour entire thought process is beholden to "what the industry does", even though behaviors in the industry can and will change. AI is on the horizon, anti-localization sentiment is only growing. If the tides ever turn to "it's fuckign dogshit" as the majority opinion, what will you say about this topic then?Oops, that's probably a bit TOO advanced for your dumbass to think about, you might actually need to do some self reflection!
>>736976986That is a singular joke, which is already covered by the term "bombshell"
>>736976926Changing the names is in almost all cases never acceptable, so the AI wins again.
>>736976992>improvedyou can't improve censorship retard. kill yourself for surrendering creative freedom to the likes of FAGMAN
>>736964031I don't believe this is in the same vein of other translations where it's the localizer writing fan-fiction, they just chose to translate it in a way that is unclear to most people.Artists are often taught that 7-8-heads tall is the traditional standard for a beautifully proportional body In both translations, Starlow is implying that this isn't her true form and she has a real (sexier) body, but the official one is lost on anyone without any context of art studies.(and also is weird in the context of a Mario game where everyone has cartoonish proportions)
>>736976042>I hate duplicitous SJWs like you who claim to be interested in cultural aspects of other nations, while you just want to defend cultural aspects of other nations
>>736976865>超 is a very common prefix and almost always rendered as "super" in translation: 超人 (superman), 超常的 (supernatural), 超音速 (super sonic speed), etc.Yeah I'm aware. The dictionary definition is supreme, we don't need to use that word though. But AI will use that word.>Are you a beginner? Certain characters, when used in compounds, are often intended to be read a clipping of a more common compoundNo shit jackass, that's why I described other common words that use the same kanji.>I'm sorry to say that not "everybody" knows what a "Bushin" is. Furthermore more, martial god is a standard translation for Bushin.That's their problem. I don't translate "hydra" as "multi-headed dragon" just because some people don't know about extremely common mythical creatures. >Yup, covered in my translation.No, it isn't. Because using two kanji for supremacy in different parts doesn't make sense, it's clearly using the second definition. Especially given that Cloud literally uses it to finish the game.>I can tell you don't have much familiarity with Japanese, because you don't realize how often 斬 is used to refer to techniques which involve a deadly slashI literally called it a cut and a slash in my post.I think you need to learn how to read english before you start in on japanese.>>736976969Literally every instance of alcoholic drinks or religious depictions.
>>736963971You are genuinely retarded and I hope AI replaced you.
>>736976930This, byt unironically.That's a false equivalence, and pulling the typical wokeroon tactic of playing dumb and ignoring any and all nuance or context only makes you look more retarded and bitter here.The original deserves to be preserved, not completely overwritten with mutt bullshit because they share tenuous similarities at best. There is different culture and behaviors and linguistics between the two groups, it's a disservice to replace it.
>>736977124>almost all casesMeaning some, like this one. I'm glad you agree.
>>736976189>If you didn't see it from searching, 超究武神覇斬 was translated as the more familiar "Omnislash".SoullessOP is right modern translators are awful
>>736977051You should probably read the posts you're responding to a little more slowly.
Defend this, localization troons
>>736977015>You are genuinely mentally ill. I haven't defended modern translations onceNo, because you think you're being stealthy by claiming to be against them while using every tactic you can think of to shut down criticism of them.Problem is, you're just not that clever.
>>736977238unc is just ojisan, it's actually more accurate through complete accident.
>>736977207motherfucker, read what rhetoric you're defending >>736974897
>>736977071>The "intent" the original Japanese writersThe intent of the original writer, Kawazu, was having a character stand out for his regional accent because he comes from a region styled explicitly after Osaka and as such he uses the same accent which makes him stand out among the cast.Similarly, the localization uses a regional accent that is given to all characters from the same region for the same exact reason, to make them stand out.You are arguing that the localization shouldn't do this because americans can't understand kansaiben when this is not even the fucking point of the writing, the point of the writing is that the character has a funny hick accent, no more no less.>Which is, again, why it's shit. It's nothing less than cultural imperialismOh, so you're stealing my points from the previous thread now?Funny how I got called names for pointing this out but now that it suits you it's all fine and dandy.>but previously science was tasked with challenging long held notions by the majorityNo it didn't, lmao, tons of people got imprisoned if not downright hunted down and executed for challenging heliocentrism.>Nowadays all studies are funded by groups with agendas.You stupid nigger, the church did the same exact thing centuries ago, all studies are funded by groups with agenda by definitions because scientists need to earn a living and pure speculative science doesn't pay your bills.You're a fucking dumbass with no basic knowledge let alone media literacy, you should seriously kill yourself now.
>>736977284And you're just here to cry about the woke left you don't actually give a fuck about video games.
>>736977291Defend this, localization troon
>>736964047>oi mate bloody hell guvnor I'm bri'ish innit check out me blingyblonger.That is the most realistic British person dialogue I've ever read. You must be a student of Neil's.
>>736964149That's a common rhyme they teach kids in elementary school English to help them with spelling.
>>736977238You should provide raw text but also what game?
>>736977284>projecting his own retardation unto other peopleYou're a lost cause and should die asap
>>736977132Except you obviously can in this case considering this isn't an issue people run into in the current year. What fucking point do you think you're making?
>>736964459The best part is that he thinks AI translations would be A-OK in one place you would want communications that are carefully crafted to ensure no confusion occurs: internal corporate discussions.That means in his heart he knows that AI translations are better then his own, as he thinks it can be used for serious business but not silly games.
>>736977051>but if you want a really low hanging fruit you can look at the localization of Persona 1 where Masao, AKA Mark, got turned into a nigger.>Of course you being a fucking underage rightoid who doesn't play shit would totally commit the massive faux pas of mentioning P3R as a sort of gotcha moment without knowing fucking Mark, something anybody older than 20 who plays Atlus games knows.Thanks for the incontrovertible proof of your dishonesty, culture warrior.We were talking about the JAPANESE RELEASES of games being altered by western influence. You know, the whole reason learning Japanese isn't going to fix anything? You KNOW this. You pretend not to. You are scum.>Exposing you as a total fraud? Sure, I'll keep doing it too.Amazing that you think this when you are only exposing yourself.> You've spent almost an entire day saying you're totally unaffiiliated and doing this for the love of the gameMy agenda IS the love of the game. Yours is the defacement of the game.>You don't play shit, subhuman, you're not fooling anyone, you are fucking joke of an EOP going on twitter crusades on fucking /v/ without even knowing how easy it is to expose you for the fraud you are.You think you're dancing crazy like picrel, but you're just flailing impotently.
>>736977357The writer hates kids and wants you to hate kids too. I'd say the translator is doing a great job of conveying that.
30 years and I've only come to consider localizer defenders more and more subhuman.
>>736977146>Literally every instance of alcoholic drinks or religious depictions.IN. THE. JAPANESE. RELEASE?
>>736977353>And you're just here to cry about the woke left you don't actually give a fuck about video games.If they weren't interfering with my games, I wouldn't be here complaining about them.Maybe they could just... you know... stop?
>>736977586And you'd move on to complaining about gays and blacks being in games, because it's not about the games is it?
>>736977319?The same shit I have for the last couple hours, being that localization is dogshit?Fag>>736977329>the intent was [muh conveniently crafted scenario]No, the intent was for someone from Osaka, not "HURRR WELL ANY AND ALL COUNTRY BUMPKINS ARE THE SAME, HELL YEAH BROTHER! MURRICA HOWDY HOWDY Y'ALL BIG MAC MORTYYYYYYY THANOS SUPERMANNNNNNN"You are the dumbest of fucks.>you are arguingNope, I'm arguing that replacing the Osaka aspect with marvel spongebob rick and morty tier quipshit cancer is a disservice, because it is. Again, because tenuous similarities =/= 1:1 interchangeable. Again, you arguing that they are completely contradicts your "this preserves the intent" nonsense, which is why you had to change goalposts once again back to the "all people from the country in any region talk and act the same", which is disingenuous as fuck.>previous threadWhat? Not your boogeyman.Anyway, wokealization is cultural imperialism and that's that.>n-nuh uhYes. Flight was achieved in the face of everyone saying "it's impossible, you can't do it". Modern hygiene flew in the face of the "consensus of the majority" that illness was caused by "magic cursed air" and whatnot.>ablooblooblooLiterally all innovation and inventions ignored the teeming masses saying "no one else does or thinks this way, stop it". You lost this "point" hard, retard.Again>EVERYONE IS JUMPING OFF THE BRIDGE SO THAT MEANS IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DOIs NOT scientific, you're just a retarded tranny who can't think for himself.Funny how you keep conveniently ignoring this point, too, because it's inconvenient for your ad populum spam since you might actually gain some self awareness.The truth, the REAL truth is not based off what the teeming masses say. It's not based off of what "experts" or "professionals" say, either. Treating positions of authority as infallible gods who are never wrong, or politically motivated or spiteful towards other cultures like Japan is dishonest as fuck.
>>736977291>unc is just ojisanCheck out this unc who thinks he is with it.
>>736977468>We were talking about the JAPANESE RELEASES of games being altered by western influence.You do understand that games that released back then were already implicitly vetted for the western market in the case they were actually localized, which was already a rare occurrence?The "retroactive censorship" of DQ3 you faggots loved to talk about was already a thing in the early 00's, back then people simply did not localize games altogether because the censorship standards were way higher, in some cases like Shatterhand's they had to make an altogether separate version for the western market because of that, or because they couldn't license an IP.P3R changed shit to supposedly conform to the current markets? So what?Did that somehow erase all the copies of the OG P3+The Answer or P3P and its "remaster"?Are you seriously implying japanese devs did not design shit with the western market in mind until 10 years ago?
>>736977791I used to be with it. Then they changed what 'it' was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what is it is new and scary to me.
>>736975096>>736974897If a character speaks in Kansai/Tohoku-ben, and other characters acknowledge the existence of their accent or dialect, how would you translate it besides giving them an equivalent accent in English? You sound like an N5 midwit.
1. You didn't learn Japanese.2. You didn't kill localizers.3. You didn't boycott until the industry collapsed.You get what you deserve.
>>736977757okay, but you get how you two being the same person with the same ridiculous opinion is worse, right? you get that it means that there's not a second person backing you up, right? that you're alone in your stupidity?
>>736977703>And you'd move on to complaining about gays and blacks being in games, because it's not about the games is it?If it's in the source material and the source material isn't being interfered with by activist westerners, it's fine.
>>736974912Since Unlimited SaGa
>trannylator is defending his shitty trannyslation on basket weaving forum>again
>>736977757>No, the intent was for someone from OsakaRetard, there's literal interviews with Kawazu out there who says Tsunanori was supposed to be an incredibly average guy with a funny accent, kansaiben is incidental because it was something made for the japanese public to relate to Tsunanori in particular, especially since the series never had an explicitly japanese styled main character until Emerald Beyond.And since the kansaiben is untranslatable in english they conveyed the same intent but americanized, that's the only solution to the problem of conveying what Kawazu was going for, which was done under Kawazu's supervision moreover, so I'll take the series creator's word over your nonsense.>What? Not your boogeyman.Hiding behind your finger again?>Flight was achieved in the face of everyone saying "it's impossible, you can't do it"Flight was already postulated by Newton, retard, we already knew it was physically possible for a very long time.>Modern hygiene flew in the face of the "consensus of the majority"The history of Hygiene has an incredibly long and complicated record that was all about reaching consensus, like the one we have now which supposedly is fine for you despite being literally the same exact thing as the past consensus, demented freak.How is it that some consensus is good but other isn't? You are literally admitting you have massive double standards.>Literally all innovation and inventions ignored the teeming massesNo, they fucking don't.Stop posting your bullshit, seriously, take your meds and fuck off, none of this has anything to do with games or localization, you're clinically insane.
>>736963285What is wrong with the accent?>>>/wsg/6128210
>>736977810>You do understand that games that released back then were already implicitly vetted for the western marketAre we talking about "implicit vetting" or are we talking about localizer interference? And are you providing proof?>The "retroactive censorship" of DQ3 you faggots loved to talk about was already a thing in the early 00's, back then people simply did not localize games altogether because the censorship standards were way higher, in some cases like Shatterhand's they had to make an altogether separate version for the western market because of that, or because they couldn't license an IP.That sounds like it's about western releases, not Japanese ones.>P3R changed shit to supposedly conform to the current markets? So what?Did that somehow erase all the copies of the OG P3+The Answer or P3P and its "remaster"?AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA look at you run! Look at the immediately scramble back to>appeal to trivialityThis is fucking hilarious. You're making it more and more obvious with every post that you're astonishingly dishonest and deceitful. I can read you like a book.>Are you seriously implying japanese devs did not design shit with the western market in mind until 10 years ago?Way to move those goalposts!Sorry dude. You got rumbled. I had my suspicions last time but now it's as plain as day what you're all about.
>>736966972Based and true. Hang all trannylators, disgusting parasites killing every hobby they infiltrate.
>>736963368LLM shill thread. As usual, /v bites.
>>736978072Shit, I honestly forgot that part. Now that you mention it, having the VN style and abstracting exploration to a board game is probably why it filtered me so hard. I want to play it again though, if just for the soundtrack alone.SaGa games are a fucking mess sometimes, but they never fail to be astonishingly intriguing.
>>736977945By them acknowledging they are speaking that way? And again, actually being creative and using contractions, compound words, etc., instead of:>Generic American Stereotype™Because that isn't Japanese, troontard.>>736978020>more faggy woketroon dismissals and fallacious retardationIf this shit truly didn't matter you subhuman freaks wouldn't be here derailing and damage controlling this hard and we'd all just be screaming into the void with no (You)s.This has got to be some of the most pure cognitive dissonance I've seen on display yet.>>736978109>retard [irrelevant shit]The fact remains that it was written by the Japanese and there was no intent for it to be stereotypical mutt quip cancer, that's just facts.>still going with his downie obsessionAgain, you homos are so utterly tortured by any and all dissent that you can't fathom more than one person could despise the woke idpol cancer agenda and their raping of Japanese media through censorship and trannylation.Die mad fighting demons that aren't here, I guess.>actually retardedNewton's studies created a consensus that flight was highly inefficient or even impossible for hundreds of years, nice self own again, ignorant faggot.>why some consensus good and some badBecause of nuance? Something you are painfully lacking.>EVERYONE DOES ITThat's a bad consensus. Add on the context that "everyone" in this context of wokealization is dangerhair subhumans openly stating that they:>hate Japan>don't know Japanese>"vibe" translate, etc.it just makes it even more retarded to say that "consensus = truth" when ideological motivations are evident.>n-nuh uhYes. You can't even get shit right about the figures you're rattling off the top of your head. Embarrassing.Good job ignoring>Treating positions of authority as infallible gods who are never wrong, or politically motivated or spiteful towards other cultures like Japan is dishonest as fuck.this part, btwYou know how gay it makes you look.
brooklyn or boston accent fits kansai better than american southern, ya
>>736963285But he's right - local accents are a thing where you don't have any true equivalents between languages. You have conventions at most, but even those conventions are just more or less arbitrary decisions. Sure, theoretically you could always ignore the accent and translate to "formal language", but if the source text features accents with intent and they're relevant to the storytelling as a whole, you basically have to do something to represent the accent in the target language one way or another. And choosing a different target language accent than what some other localization did in the past is a perfectly valid thing to do.Sure, you can personally dislike the choice that was made, but that doesn't make the logic behind the choice any less valid.
>>736978380>buzzword buzzword buzzwordit seems that you've run out of actual arguments
N5 ken-sama having a melty www
>>736978243>Are we talking about "implicit vetting" or are we talking about localizer interference?Why do you think SMT didn't get localized at all until Nocturne?Most shit couldn't get behind the iron curtain at all, the stuff that did get behind was already made to implicitly satisfy those standards, and mind you it still got censored too.>>appeal to trivialityThere's literally no triviality, sorry that you refuse to understand how the world always worked, it's admittedly easy to long for a past you didn't actually live in but you're really pushing your delusions too hard.
>>736978468>bawwwww I can't engage with your points because you said words that upset me bawwwwwwwwwwwwThat's a concession I'll happily accept!
Just stop talking about it okay.Let us do whatever we want and stop noticing.
>>736963285>sloppaNo thanks Rajesh
>>736978380>And again, actually being creative and using contractions, compound words, etc.,So your solution is to make up some retarded new pidgin (which, by the way, would still be a form of localization) instead of using an existing accent that every English speaker immediately understands the connotation of? I can't understand why people like you even care about English translations. Surely you know Japanese well enough that you can play the original... right?
>>736978569>i started dropping no no words while repeating the same delusional bullshit, that means i win!!!that's not how this works
The best part about these recurring anti-localization and censorship threads is when the tourist trannylation defense force larps as "fellow 4channers" with shit like>weand also saying "nigger", but only after following the most pozzed posts you've ever seen online kek>>736978618>so your solution is [intentionally misrepresented faggotry again]Nope.>that every English speakermutts*, not every English speaker.Also, contractions and compound words are not "localization", and again, accents and dialect are not interchangeable from tenuous similarities between regions. That's dishonest as fuck, retard.>more homo handwavingInsanely effeminate behavior. Try engaging in good faith. Trust me, it won't kill you retardbro.
>>736978380>The fact remains that it was written by the JapaneseSo according to you anyone who isn't japanese doesn't have the right to play it I guess since it "wasn't made for them".Why are you even here arguing about localizations then? By your umpteenth hallucination you're literally stating that any attempt at translating this game is by definition impossible and offensive because according to you the game was written by the japanese for the japanese and nobody else, yet here you are peddling your nonsense translations that are totally better than what literally everyone else on earth has been doing for centuries.>you can't fathom more than one person could despise the woke idpol cancer agendaYou don't care about any of that shit which is why you're here ranting like madman and constantly inventing unrelated nonsense to prop up your logic, or lack thereof.>Newton's studies created a consensusNo they didn't, there were plenty of dissertations about it for centuries which is precisely why we ended up fixing his original theorem, for the records, our current flight models are also under constant scrutiny which is why the US government recently invested a couple of millions into studying new wing models.>Something you are painfully lacking.I am the one who lack nuance? When you're the one who literally argues in black and white and can't even stay true to your own statements inbetween two posts?You ranted about consensum for hours and now you changed your mind entirely by saying that SOME consensus is good actually if it fits my deranged agenda!>Add on the context that "everyone" in this context of wokealization is dangerhair subhumans openly stating that they:You're literally the same exact thing.You don't know japanese let alone translation ethics yet you peddle your nonsense on fucking 4chan while making sweeping statements about your better and ranting about trannies and dangerhairs.You're fucking deranged, a tree has more self awareness.
>>736978486You fucking idpol EOP culture warriors 4chuds Neil did noffin wrong*argues from 6+ hours*
>>736978495>Why do you think SMT didn't get localized at all until Nocturne?>Most shit couldn't get behind the iron curtain at all, the stuff that did get behind was already made to implicitly satisfy those standards, and mind you it still got censored too.I DON'T CARE that it didn't get translated. The Japanese version still exists! I can get a fan translation of (as I did) or attempt to read it myself! I AM TALKING ABOUT when the JAPANESE release is ALTERED.HOW does learning Japanese fix THAT problem?You can't answer. You are not here to sincerely engage in discussion. You are only here to launch accusations, offer non-solutions, downplay the issue, and demoralize.If you were here with even the slightest intent of good faith, you wouldn't be consistently, without fail (必ず) oozing your way back to "stop talking about it", using one of four different tactics. You would have something real to say. You would be engaging like an actual fucking person and actually answer questions honestly, whether you agree or not, without deflecting.But you're not engaging like a person. You are behaving exactly like an industry shill and I've observed you enough now to where the rampant dishonesty is too obvious to ignore.Fuck you for pretending to care about games. Fuck you for cynically USING that falsehood to attack other people's sincerity for the sake of your foul agenda.
>>736976867>pic related is one of the reasons whyWhy is there a mountain of AI porn if AI can't fulfil requests with inappropriate content? Just find a better model
>>736963285Learn the language or stop complaining, EOP. Your "problem" is entirely self-inflicted.
>>736978787
>>736975164It's THE only response, you are just a lazy faggot that can't fucked to do anything but shitpost which is incidentally why you love AI slop too
>>736975736>>736975859>>736976050Why do thirdies seethe so much at California?
>Monitoring the thread for hours trying to dissuade and shaming people from calling out trannylators>I'm not defending localizers though!Embarrassing.
>>736978787I haven't been reading your posts but you must have cornered that guy pretty fuckin' hard if he's resorting to this>>736978926>>736978486>>736978618
>>736979035>subtweeting in a 4chan thread
>>736979023I live in Massachusetts, fuck California and fuck Californians, the entire state should be nuked from orbit.
>>736978943>which is incidentally why you love AI slop tooI don't at all.The fact that it's the preferable alternative says everything about how shit localizations are.It is NOT HARD to be better than AI. But they've failed at every turn, because they are innately hostile to the source material, the culture that spawned it, AND the people who want to consume it. They REVEL in being awful.
>>736976265Likes on Twitter are irrelevant since 90% of twitter is bots.
>>736978864>I DON'T CARE that it didn't get translated. The Japanese version still exists!So why do you care about a shitty remake when the original version still exists?You do know remakes always change shit do you? It's why they're called remakes, if you don't like don't play them.FYI they don't even need western influence to do so, look at how Metal Max Xeno got remade from the ground up with Reborn because the japanese (rightfully) bitched and moaned about how horrible OG Xeno was, they completely obliterated the original fanservice laden story, all the lewd CGs, changed Oda-Non's original art and remade the game from the ground up to the point not even the original battle system survived...but that is good because the "woke" japanese asked them and not the mutts, I guess?>You are not here to sincerely engage in discussion.Not really, I'm here to expose you as the duplicitous culture warrior you are after seeing so many goddamn repeats of this dogshit thread.I've already told you that you're not going to change the process because I've been alive much longer than you, I'm way more literate than you and know that, quality problems notwithstanding, this is a cultural issue that is not possible to solve by design, pearl clutching is completely pointless, either you learn to read the original language or you fuck off and accept that you're getting sloppy seconds.Which I suppose is a tremendous effort for an EOP but again, it's your problem, not mine or the industry's.Attacking people like a rabid dog only makes you look even worse.>You are behaving exactly like an industry shill I have no horse in this race, I know enough japanese to not care about any of your EOP woes, nor am I disingenuous enough to think there's a woke conspiracy that only in recent years is forcing the poor JP devs to change their games when that has always been the case, for media in general.
>>736979109>calling it "subtweeting"Hi twitter/bluesky brained localizerMaybe you could try getting better at your job instead of constantly tweeting about your vandalism for internet points
>>736979109What the fuck is "subtweeting"?
>>736963285You keep making this thread, and you've never made any headway in your crusade. I'll pray for you to find Christ and stop being mentally ill.
>he thinks THEY won't use AI to censor and change everything for the modern audience
>>736979282>>736979368teeheehee i'm going to post specifically directed at someone but i'm not going to say who, sorry silly boys~ xoxoxoxo
>NOOOOOO JUST LEARN JAPANESE LEAVE THE HECKIN LOCALIZERINOS ALONE STOP EXPOSING THEM STOP BRINGING AWARENESS TO THIS SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UPWhy is this response so common in these threads? What an odd hill to die on.
>>736979393The retard honestly thinks the human beings doing localizations are the core issue here and not the cultural standards that enforce the practice.He thinks the clanker's output not only will be good and better than the human's but that the suits will totally greenlight it as is.He's indirectly harassing a literal Ken-sama who wears kimono and shit by saying he hates japanese culture and wants to subvert and destroy it, because he's also too much of a bitch to actually say the shit he posts here on Xitter directly to his face, the epithome of subhuman beta male scum.
>>736979435I repeat, What the fuck is "subtweeting"?
>>736978787>muttshave you considered that the english translation isn't intended for your turd-world favela?
>>736979515What awareness?Localizations always sucked ass and always will, only militant EOPs and grifters think this is a big deal.
>>736963285AI is really so much better than human localizers it's amazing
>>736979543https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=subtweet
>>736979515But why DON'T you learn Japanese? It would solve all your problems. You'll never be satisfied.
>>736979625I don't want to learn about fucking twitter. And if you do, you don't belong here.
>>736979075Yeah, the delusional spam was pretty evident he's having a meltdown.>>736978743>bawwwwwwww mean words online mean I ignore your pointsYes, unironically I win since you can't engage anymore, it's just you shitting in your diaper.Whining about mean words, here, of all places no less.>>736978926Not an argument, another concession accepted.>>736979564>flaws in my argument? NOOOOO [projection]Every single time.
>>736979648He doesn't actually care, he's here to farm engagement, he's not even subtle about it and has been doing it for a while.
Ever notice the more boring and casual a game is, the more full of culture war grifters its fanbase is?
>>736974205>Niggas will do LITERALLY ANYTHING but actually learn Japanese.>buy car>not working>take it into get fixed>mechanic decided to paint it a new color, add fuzzy dice, and put bumper stickers on like "Fuck Trump, my other car is a millenium falcon, coexist" etc>engine light still on>billed for it all the same>rather than expecting him to do the job i paid him for he decided to make the car his own>retards on 4chan tell me the solution is to just learn everything about automotive repair instead of expecting people to do their jobsI work fucking long enough I don't need this shit on top.
>>736979829>Troonimai grifter calling anyone else a grifterSo you got bullied out the SHMUP general again?Oh wait, you're here because you saw SaGa on the OP and wanna shovel more shit with your fellow pigs.
All this time spent talking to yourself could be time spent studying your anki deck.
>>736979717>You WILL engage with my same poorly-conceived arguments again and again ESPECIALLY when I result to (inaccurate) ad hominem OR YOU'RE A FRICKIN' WOKETARD *smacks lips* LIIIIIIIIBERAL, AND I WIN!Hm... Nah, I think we're done, here.
>>736978792>so [retarded strawman]Man, you couldn't argue in good faith if you had a cocked revolver pointed at your faggot skull, eh?Nope, it's actually quite easy to not trannylate and just translate something properly, without homo quipcancer and mutt references riddling the dialogue. It's extremely easy, in fact, just requires not being ideologically motivated like your oh so beloved "professionals" are.>ablooblooWhat even are you on about now, retard?>n-nuh uhCompelling, but this contradicts the "consensus" shit you were so beholden to earlier. Clearly it's the government who is wrong for questioning centuries of held belief that billions of people supported, as well as those other scientists! Questioning how things have been done is BAD>n-no uReally nigga? Saying anyone else is thinking in black and white here is rich. You are presenting a false dichotomy of >either we have to use "YEEHAW RIDE'EM COWBOY SWAGYOLO THANOS HAWKTUAH Y'ALL" or there isn't any other way to translate Japanese country dialects!Which is patently false and dishonest as all hell.And no, again, you are painfully lacking any concept of nuance or context here. And again, this is you projecting about thinking in black and white>ERMMM YOU HAVE TO SAY ALL CONSENSUM IS GOOD OR NONE OF IT'S GOODNope, there are times where it is reasonable, but in the context of trannylation, it isn't. Too much ideological brainrot from woketroons at play.The "consensus" reached by dangerhair troons and homos who openly and routinely profess their hatred of Japan and Japanese culture means jack shit.Can't wait for you to dodge this point AGAIN, btw>n-no u x ∞Not an argument.>u no know, PROFESSIONALS ARE ABSOLUTE AND SHAN'T BE ARGUED WITH, THEY ARE GOD, YOU SWINE!!!!1!!Fallacious, dismissive autism repeated ad nauseam, disregarded.
>>736979515The whole "learn Japanese" argument doesn't even work anymore ever since localizers were given veto power to rape the game at the source. I simply assume that anyone who keeps repeating that phrase are localizers and their ilk trying to derail the topic at hand. >You don't like the liberal quips and spices? Then learn Japanese and play the original, Chud! Stop talking about this so we can keep our job!While there's nothing inherently wrong with learning Japanese, it won't change the fact that localizers are still out there, getting paid for butchering your hobby.Localization aside, anyone who likes and passionate about video game wouldn't want censorship in their games. So I see little reason for someone from /v/ would be in favor of failed writers shitting on their games by pushing their garbage into the game. It's known that these people are terminally online on bluesky and reddit or whatever shit that they use. It's not far fetched to see them lurking here as well.
>>736979914Curious how your nonsensical shitposts are always, infallibly punctuated by off-topic rightoid propaganda.Almost as if there's a pattern.
>>736979257>So why do you care about a shitty remake when the original version still exists?Because the vandalism and the reasons behind it are both disgusting.>but that is good because the "woke" japanese asked them and not the mutts, I guess?Separate issue. Stop trying to deflect.>Not really, I'm here to expose you as the duplicitous culture warriorAnd any minute now you'll actually succeed, right?The problem is, you're a bad liar. You don't have any basis for this claim and you know you don't. The whole time I have been consistent in my advocacy for unadulterated content. Your "proof" is my refusal to validate your dishonest framing by jumping through your hoops. But you need my validation. I don't need yours.>I have no horse in this raceSuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.>nor am I disingenuous enough to think there's a woke conspiracy"Hey we think this shit is problematic and now we openly admit that we directly tell the developers to change problematic things"You're right, completely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. >when that has always been the case, for media in general.And you have not demonstrated it with a single example. You deliberately posted something I didn't ask for in a pathetic attempt to reframe my position and land a blow against me, and that didn't work because you're a massive retard in addition to being a deceitful cunt.What will you try next? Go on. I'm waiting to see which of your tactics you pivot to.
>>736979023You people pay triple what I do for gas and water. I don't want to hear shit about your "utopia"
>>736979974>You WILL engage with my handwaving faggot non-arguments and crying over buzzwords, even though I did the same thing, because your points completely BTFO me, or YOU'RE A HECKIN' CHUD RIGHTOI- I-I mean, n-nigger!!11!!!Hmmm yup, you'll be responding for hours to come, as your troon ilk always do because any dissent towards wokealization in Jap media = cardinal sin to you lot.
>breaks your LLM
>>736979648>It would solve all your problems.Still ignoring games being changed at the source now, huh?>>736979998>I simply assume that anyone who keeps repeating that phrase are localizers and their ilk trying to derail the topic at hand.Yeah it's completely obvious at this point. The beauty of these threads is it gets more obvious with each one.
>>736980008>Because the vandalism and the reasons behind it are both disgusting.Oh but when the same exact "vandalism" is done by the japanese it's a "separate issue"...>And any minute now you'll actually succeed, right?Succeed at what?In case you still haven't noticed I'm not the one waging a war here, I know JP, I don't care about your deranged mutt conspiracies, if a remake changes things into something I don't like I just don't buy it like I always did, period.>You're right, completely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.That's what has been going on since forever, like you've been already told, and it's not going to change because that's how the world works, which is why people keep telling you to learn fucking japanese and shut up.>And you have not demonstrated it with a single exampleI did, you just choose to handwave it because you don't want to accept that you're wrong and you're admitting you're here for the culture war.
>>736979540>The retard honestly thinks the human beings doing localizations are the core issue here and not the cultural standards that enforce the practice.You're right. Cultural wokeness is at the core of the problem. I'm glad you've finally agreed that anti-wokeness is required to mount an effective defense, and not something you can dismiss as irrelevant and insincere.
>CULCHA WOOOOORE CULCHA WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOREEver notice how trannylation and censorship defenders screech this out to club people over the head, despite their fellow dangerhair wokealizers putting in ACTUAL "culture war" shit into Japanese media in the first place?Literally just the updated version of picrel>"incel/chud/nazi">body type>unironic gg mentionsApproved Culture War™>ridiculing this being shoehorned in vidya and animeBAD Culture War™ >:(((((
>>736964262Both are dogshit.
>>736979985>Man, you couldn't argue in good faithI'm not the one handwaving shit here.>Nope, it's actually quite easy to not trannylate and just translate something properlyI agree, which is why nobody does the dumb shit you do.OHHH BUT WAIT THE CONSENSUS!!!!11>Questioning how things have been done is BADQuestioning how things have been done is good insofar there's a logic to the argument made against the consensus, you have none of that, you're simply a contrarian arguing on nonsense and handwaving everything and everyone that points out your bullshit.Which is typical rightoid behaviour to be fair, you faggots are the biggest fucking SJWs out there.>>either we have to useMore completely made up bullshit to prove a nonexistent point eh?Well at least you admit you're seething because everyone knows you're a fucking clown with no credentials, and like the limp dicked cuck you are you don't even have to balls to say this shit to the "trannylators" face because you just know sane people laugh at you.
>>736980190>Oh but when the same exact "vandalism" is done by the japanese it's a "separate issue"...They can handle their own shit. I don't like corporate political correctness, but I won't let you deflect from the ideologues who are specifically trying to alter the Japanese output based on (what they dishonestly present as) western standards.>Succeed at what?Your unsubstantiated attacks.> I'm not the one waging a war here, I know JP, I don't care about your deranged mutt conspiraciesHow many hours have you spent in these threads over the last few days? Just ballpark it.>That's what has been going on since forever,Prove it, liar.>I didNo, you didn't. You pivoted and deflected and moved the goal posts.Prove it, liar.
>>736980240So you admit it really was culture war idpol bullshit all along rather than honest interest in either videogames or localizations.
>>736980190>Oh but when the same exact "vandalism" is done by the japanese it's a "separate issue"...They can handle their own cultural shit. I don't like corporate political correctness, but I won't let you deflect from the western ideologues who are specifically trying to alter the Japanese output based on (what they dishonestly present as) western standards.>Succeed at what?Your unsubstantiated attacks.> I'm not the one waging a war here, I know JP, I don't care about your deranged mutt conspiraciesHow many hours have you spent in these threads over the last few days? Just ballpark it.>That's what has been going on since forever,Prove it, liar.>I didNo, you didn't. You pivoted and deflected and moved the goal posts.So prove it, liar.
>>736979187>i-i don't love AI slop it's just sooooooo much better than everything else You ain't fooling anyone
>>736980410Pathetic trap. Really, honestly, try harder.I admit, as you just did, that culture war idpol bullshit is what drives the vandalism. I admit that it is necessary to acknowledge that to be able to combat it.Because I actually care about games, unlike you.
>>736980004>expect service>pay for service>get something different>retard's response is to dedicate thousands of hours to learning a whole language instead of just holding them accountable
>>736980361>n-no u no u no u!Not an argument. And yes, you are. You're routinely dismissing any other proposed solutions with "THIS IS HOW IT'S ALWAYS DONE AND IT CAN NEVER BE DONE ANY OTHER WAY, SHUT UP"Fuck up nigga>IT'S NOT HAPPENING, AND IF IT IS IT'S A GOOD THINGFatigued.>THE CONSENSUSYes, it's not an end all argument, glad you recognize this.>insofar there is logic to the argumentThere is, mainly the fact that the people "doing this for so long">openly admit they don't know Japanese>openly admit they vandalize scripts/dialogue and censor things>openly admit they utterly despise Japan and Japanese culture because it gives them the ickTry again, dipshit.>n-no uNot an argument, woketrannoid.>m-made upLiterally what you have argued for the past several hours, faggot. You said we can only ever use YEEHAW COWBOY tier quipshit when bringing Japanese dialects into English or else it's "magic alien speak".You can stop this revisionism anytime.>abloobloobloo more off-topic troonbabblingTrannylators all take to bluecry or keep their socials locked when they gloat about raping Japanese media because they know they get lit the fuck up otherwise lmfaoI guess this internet tough guy larp is cute, though. Really drives home the desperation and assblastedness tourist troons like yourself have when anti-localization threads and discussions are allowed to exist elsewhere on the internet.
>>736979998>>736980135Show me 10 actual examples of localizers "raping games at the source" Surely you have actual proof to back this up, right? You're not just going off of some random article and assuming every JP game is now full of trannies and niggers from the get-go with absolutely nothing to back this up, right?
>>736980396>I don't like corporate political correctness...unless the based japanese do it! Never mind how that "corporate political correctness" is also a result of "western standards".You just love all those TRVE AND PVRE japanese politicians wearing their kimono in the parliament, no western influence whatsoever uh?>How many hours have you spent in these threads over the last few days?So you finally admit you're indeed making these dogshit threads and samefagging over and over for days.>Prove it, liarSo you can just handwave more shit away?No thanks, I'm a reasonable person and I'll stop at simply exposing you as the psychotic fraud you are.>I admit, as you just did, that culture war idpol bullshit is what drives the vandalismTHEY'RE THE BAD GUYS MOM I'M A WARRIOR OF JUSTICE, I STAND FOR JESUS, THE NUCLEAR FAMILY AND ACCURATE JAPANESE VIDEOGAME LOCALIZATIONS!!!1What a pathetic, spineless cuck you are
>>736964031No way they actually used eight-headed beauty.
>>736979914>food analogy
>>736980313>Ever notice how trannylation and censorship defenders screech this out to club people over the head, despite their fellow dangerhair wokealizers putting in ACTUAL "culture war" shit into Japanese media in the first place?Oh yeah, I've noticed. I've also noticed how artificial and insincere it is every time they do it. I've noticed they employ it in a very specific, artificial way, switching to it at a moment's notice and feigning maximum outrage while containing minimum substance. And I've noticed they drop it just as quickly when the shilling calls for a different form of dishonesty.I've noticed that every time they do it, that dishonesty disgusts me that little bit more.But that'll make it all the sweeter when they lose their jobs lol
>H-HEH, TRY SAYING THAT TO A LOCALIZER'S FACE BUCKO!>JAPAN BAD MUH CHRISTIANS NUCLEAR FAMILY REEEEEEEThat is one broken buck
>>736980449>it's just sooooooo much better than everything elseNo, it's just better than you.>>736980565>retard's response is to dedicate thousands of hours to learning a whole language instead of just holding them accountableIt's not a sincere response. It's just an attempt to shut down criticism.
>>736979515>BRINGING AWARENESSTo whom, you fucking retard? This is a board used by a couple hundred autists at most, 90% of whom already agree with you. If you want to bring awareness why are you here and not on any of the other sites that 10000x the eyes that could see your message?
>>736963808Kek
>>736980669BASEDIt's been hilarious watching them chimp the everloving fuck out when another manga publisher announces they'll be using AI translation.I'd take the most gutter MTL if it meant these subhumans were all out of a job and on the streets. In a fucking heartbeat
>>736980669>But that'll make it all the sweeter when they lose their jobs lolAll that's going to happen is that 20 translators will get replaced by 5 AI augmented translators. But it will still be the same people in charge of localization. That's what's happening in every industry affected by AI at the moment.
>>736974350>this guy backed, of all Kikestarter projects, Among the Sleep
Trannylators seething
>>736980570>You're routinely dismissing any other proposed solutions with "THIS IS HOW IT'S ALWAYS DONENo, I explained in depth why the ONE "solution" you proposed was nonsensical, which you then handwaved with more nonsensical offtopic bullshit while attacking me, THEN I reminded you that nobody does the thing you want to do for a reason and that you're a contrarian going against a consensus that has been enduring for literal centuries with no logical argument.>Yes, it's not an end all argumentIt is, which is why you can't help but handwave shit away for nearly 24 hours straight and call anyone who disagrees with you a "woketrannoid" or something.>Literally what you have argued for the past several hours, faggot.No I didn't, lol.You said we have to invent a whole new slang because english can't translate foreign accents, I said that this is stupid because it misses the entire point of both the source writing and the practice of localization itself, which is why again, NOBODY does this shit, not even fucking Vic Ireland did this shit and that's saying something when you have worse ethics than Vic Ireland.>I guess this internet tough guy larp is cuteSays the faggot crying like a little bitch about the mean trannies on 4chan.You don't even know english and you wanna talk about japanese translations?Bitch take a seat AND your meds>>736980740Because he's a little rightoid SJW bitch who talks big but can't walk the talk, and he actually doesn't care about games.Literally worse off than the tumblrinas because at least those she-ogres were actually vocal about what they wanted, meanwhile the little cuck can only repost the same thread and shitposts on /v/ over and over while pretending he's changing the world.
>onimai avatarfag is hereLet's goooooo
>>736972825>>736966183>>736963973So glad I don't play jrpgs, shlomo has really infiltrated this genre of games, and yeah not gonna learn an entire language to play niche games
>>736980615>You just love all those TRVE AND PVRE japanese politicians wearing their kimono in the parliament, no western influence whatsoever uh?Not even remotely what I am talking about. Such an inane repositioning that it can only be done in bad faith.You're just oozing and sliming away there, heedless that you're destroying your credibility further with every post.>So you finally admit you're indeed making these dogshit threads and samefagging over and over for days.No. I have participated in two of them, and seen you running interference for hours in both. While saying you don't care and we shouldn't either.So. How many hours is it?>So you can just handwave more shit away?Holy shit, the depths of your dishonesty. You deliberately post the thing I SPECIFIED I wasn't talking about (while using it again to attack my "gamer cred") and now use its inevitable failure as evidence of MY disinguousness?Hahahahahaha, holy shit. You must really be panicking to act this deranged.>THEY'RE THE BAD GUYS MOM I'M A WARRIOR OF JUSTICEYes, the people who instigate a war (cultural, in this case) are generally recognized as aggressors and bad guys. But I didn't even claim that. I just said it was necessary to be aware of it.It's funny to watch you unravel.
>>736963285>localization is le bad>look inside>millenia writinglocalization be could kino if millenials are not writing it
>>736980926>N-NUH UH [proceeds to explain that's exactly what he did and repeats himself saying it verbatim, again]Epic.>It isNot.Again, "EVERYONE ALWAYS JUMPED OFF THE BRIDGE, THAT MEANS IT'S CORRECT TO KEEP DOING SO" is faulty logic. You're a dumbass for trying to convince anyone otherwise.>n-nuh uhCute revisionism, but it falls pretty flat when you did it again this very post.>bawwwwwww mean words BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWLook where you are, faggot.But man>Can't wait for you to dodge this point AGAIN, btwLook at me, being proven right like 6 times in a row after saying this, KEK
>>736978072Im too retarded for this game, remaster when
>>736981076Yeah it's totally not a shlomo psyop, it's those millennials
>>736980772As much as I hate AI taking over basically everything, I do take comfort knowing that these faggots shitting up these threads with their rampant dishonesty is for naught. They can't win. If there's anything that can be counted on, it's corporate greed.I don't know if we'll get non-cucked translations again, but the people pushing hardest to poz them will be gone. It's inevitable.This is just their last, desperate whimper. >>736980843There's still work to do, sure.But that's still 3/4 of these faggots being out on their asses, erased from my hobby, and seething impotently.
>>736981028>Not even remotely what I am talking aboutBut you did, you vaguely whined about westerners influencing Japan...but it's only noteworthy when it's Hashino bending the knee, never mind literally everyone else let alone japanese society at large.>heedless that you're destroying your credibility further with every post.What fucking credibility you moron? Where do you think we are? The fucking roman forum?You really think you're somehow winning a war or an argument here when multiple people have already called you on your clown show?Are you seriously that fucking unhinged to think anything that happen in here amounts to anything other than you behaving like a clown for a bunch of people on /v/?>No. I have participated in two of themSure thing you did.>You deliberately post the thing I SPECIFIED I wasn't talking aboutYeah, I misread, it happens when you deal with idiots for too long, some of your idiocy rubbed on me.>the people who instigate a war (cultural, in this case) are generally recognized as aggressors and bad guys.Which is exactly what you're doing but you insist that you're actually the good guy here.
>>736981076We just need them to die off like the boomers
>>736981168jews are too busy fucking and eating children to care about some obscure japonese media
>>736981201Yes, taking victories where we can is what matters. I'm not expecting this to magically fix everything, but the more trannylators get fired and them and their defenders are screeching into the void of their locked xitter and bluecry pages, the better.And if anything that's when we all need to be 1000x more hostile towards them and this shit in general.
>>736981201>my hobbyit's not your hobby. it's OUR hobby
>>736980594Because of the pokemon megaleak we actually get to see a lot of the alterations the western side made to the Pokemon games, as they were in development.https://tcrf.net/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_series
>the other guy obviously has 0 intention of listening to you or addressing your arguments, let alone changing his mind>still keep arguing against a brick wall for 50 posts and multiple hourswhy
>>736981108More handwaving I see>Again, "EVERYONE ALWAYS JUMPED OFF THE BRIDGENobody is jumping off the bridge, you insist on saying everyone but you is insane and wrong without offering any logic or argument about it and then handwave everything that points out how you're irrational and have no argument.>Cute revisionism,There's zero revisionism in my posts.But sure, seethe some more I guess, you've been doing it for weeks so what's some more week or even years of impotent seething.
>>736981354People need to be called faggots even if you know nothing will change.
>>736981201>I hate AI >he says as he makes the 100th thread shilling AIIndia isn't sending their best
>>736981354You know what?You're absolutely right, I just despise these demented twitter grifters and despise them even more for weaponizing games I personally like while acting holier than thou, I got overly emotional but that's what happens when you have actual honest to god interests and passion and aren't just a useful idiot for american cultural war bullshit.Have a good one, I'm outta here.
>>736981239>if I reframe your argument I can pretend I have a pointYou don't.>What fucking credibility you moron? Where do you think we are? The fucking roman forum?If it didn't matter, you wouldn't be here in the first place, you wouldn't be camping these threads for HOURS over DAYS to say "it doesn't matter, stop talking about it" and you wouldn't be trying so hard to attack my credibility.>when multiple people have already called you on your clown show?Samefagging isn't "multiple people".>Yeah, I misread>but I'm still going to use your "handwaving" as an excuse to not provide evidencelmaoLMAO>Which is exactly what you're doingNope.And by that I mean prove it, liar.>but you insist that you're actually the good guy here.Yep. I am the good guy and you are the bad guy. I am here sincerely defending my hobby and you are here, in abysmally bad faith, to undermine my efforts.And since it bears repeating:LMAO
>>736981519alright thats understandable have a good day anon
>>736981445Not my thread, and since I'm not an ideological zealot I can recognize that AI is useful for some things, like replacing openly hostile people who are proud of doing their jobs terribly.
>>736977137Eight-headed beauty would mean she has eight heads, so this would be what we'd call a mistranslation.
>>736981519>I just despise these demented twitter grifters and despise them even more for weaponizing games I personally likeYou are a demented grifter, you weaponize games, and you don't like them.>Have a good one, I'm outta here.A tactical retreat! Maybe you'll prevail next time!
>>736981362>n-no uRepeatedly saying this doesn't make it true, retardtroon. All you've done this entire thread is handwave everyone and everything contrary to your ad populum + false equivalence + false dichotomy spam.>you islmfao of course it's an ESL, too.>nobody isCool, but this completely contradicts your last several hour chimpout saying "CONSENSUS IS LAW NO MATTER WHAT. PROFESSIONALS AND EXPERTS ARE GODS, WHO SHAN'T BE QUESTIONED!" while ignoring these:>openly admit they don't know Japanese>openly admit they vandalize scripts/dialogue and censor things>openly admit they utterly despise Japan and Japanese culture because it gives them the ickpoints for the nth time, because they're not expedient for your "trannylation GOOD" narrative here. Also because it reveals that your oh so beloved PWUFESHINULS are the absolute dregs of society, utter subhumans.>muh boogeymanAgain, woketrannies being utterly tortured and buck broken over any dissent towards wokealization being allowed is always a real treat.This is unironically my first time visiting these threads in months and your dumbass is swinging at ghosts. I am loling at this cow
>>736981681>lmfao of course it's an ESL, too."Everyone but you is insane" is actually grammatically correct, sorry to butt in
Proper translator > AI translator > Localizers
>>736981592>I-I'm not OP I just 100% agree with him and wanna suck his dickYeah sure thing kek>I hate AI but it's kind of good for this! ...and that! oh and that too! I-I totally hate AI btw Also funny how hiring actual competent translators with no ideological agenda isn't an option. Because you give zero fucks about actual good translation. You just want to shill AI garbage. >inb4 there are no competent translators Okay then where is this competent translation the AI is supposedly trained on from? Mars?
>>736979393>AI proven to be uncensored and unbiased in translation>t-the AI's gonna start looocalizing too! you'll see!jej
>I hate duplicitous culture warriors weaponizing games I like>no, not those ones
>>736981941Literally what I pointed out >>736980313 here>woketroons shoehorning culture war into games: GOOD>people criticizing this: BAD, THAT'S CULTURE WAR STOP STOP STOP CULTURE WAR STOOOOOOOOOP
>>736981861>>I-I'm not OP I just 100% agree with him and wanna suck his dickAgreement isn't possible on 4chan I guess?>Also funny how hiring actual competent translators with no ideological agenda isn't an option. Actually that's a great option, and I'd prefer it. It is not an option that is being taken though, is it?If it was going to happen, it already would have. AI translation is much more likely. And even if we still get pozzed games from that, at least this AI translation can be used by the average person to circumvent it.I wouldn't feel able to trust it completely though.
>>736981868The editors will just prompt the AI to be biased. And if the AI still isn't biased enough they'll write-in bullshit themselves.
>>736981868The people in charge and the retards using the AI will retardGODSuits believe localization = more money. Just because they switched to AI doesn't mean they're gonna let those offensive words and complicated Japanese words that will reduce their profits suddenly stay. They're gonna order the Indian proompting the slop translations to keep telling the AI to remove anything potentially offensive or too Japanese. The text will still be localized, the only thing that will change is the suits will have saved a couple bucks on the Indian and translations will get even worse because now the one doing them is Rajesh who barely even understands English
>>736982008kek, it's like clockworkIt's why their facade always crumbles under sustained scrutiny
>>736981314>And if anything that's when we all need to be 1000x more hostile towards them and this shit in general.Absolutely based>>736981317>it's not your hobby. it's OUR hobbyIf you're not a subversive localizer or one of their apologists, yes. They gave up the right to call it their hobby the moment they started destroying it for their agenda.
>>736964031>candlemaker insists that lightbulbs are not what people wantThe fact that he's cherry picking some retarded idiom to defend all of the poor quality work he delivers tells you everything you need to know.An editor would be able to catch this and do his job better than he could and he knows it.
>>736980114>This is a great snippet from Persona 3 Reload! The character speaking is Bebe, an exchange student who is obsessed with Japanese culture. Because of this, his speech is very unique—he uses a mix of archaic, overly formal, and slightly "broken" Japanese.>Wouldst thou also partake with me, Lord Makoto? 'Tis mega fun!>Would you like me to break down any other specific words Bebe used here, or shall we move on to the next paragraph?Nope, seems to understand Bebe and his speech quirks just fine.
>>736964492The joke is women are delusional and will rate themselves higher than they actually are
>>736982227Trannylators and their defense force aren't known for making good faith arguments. That's why they have to rely on fallacious retardation, like the obsessed subhumans ITT.It's not about having a discussion, it's to make you shut up and stop discussing topics they find problematic.
>Minnesota accentThat always makes me cringe seeing people try to write it or act it out because it's a pretty indistinguishable accent from general American, Ive lived in Minnesota my whole like and I have literally never heard it IRL and it feels like redditor want a quirky accent
>>736981868uhh retardchama, you realize someone controls the AI right? and they'll sanitize everything as much as possible
>>736982084>>736982098Considering most of the localization choices you see in games come the lead translator and not from the publisher, I highly doubt that. I also doubt the lead translator will take the massive pay cut to work as a prompt engineer, so translations will be more honest from the outset.
>>736966685>picThere's a simple truth herehttps://dyssebeia.wordpress.com/2013/07/28/all-translations-are-evil-i-kafka/
>>736981638Yes, that's what it reads like to the layman (read: 99% of the audience), so it's a bad localization, but I understand what they're "trying" to say:That she's "eight-heads (tall) beauty".
>>736981265Japanese media has been under attack for years now, as well as their countryYou make it sound like these people will ever be stratified as long as something good exists anywhere in the world
>>736982359With what job?
>>736982309>That always makes me cringe seeing people try to write it or act it out because it's a pretty indistinguishable accent from general American, Ive lived in Minnesota my whole like and I have literally never heard it IRL and it feels like redditor want a quirky accentThat's exactly what it is. Faggot, loser yuppies who are desperate for any exposure to a different culture, but only in safe avenues.AKA western, AKA nothing too different though, so they arrive at quirky accents.
>>736982394No, it reads like that because that's what they wrote. If they meant an eight-head-tall beauty (horrible translation btw) then they'd have to say EIGHT HEAD TALL BEAUTY. If you say eight-headed beauty, then it means you have eight heads.
I'm pretty sure the BTFOd faggot who scurried out of the thread in shame is actually a localizer working in the industry, lolHe has a lot of information about it, and in the last(?) thread he tried to use his "knowledge about translations" to invent a bunch of stupid purity tests to shut down discussion
>>736982394>they're "trying" to sayThey're trying to say she has 8 heads. No native english speaker would say "8 headed" if didn't mean has 8 heads. This is the most common cope. Where someone comes up with the most unnatural interpretation of the english to cover the translators failing at simple japanese.
>>736981519You got btfo
>>736982394Seems more like a play on words used to keep the silly intent for people who don't understand what she's going on about.He probably should have just put eight heads tall though.
>>736982595It's probably Neil or one of his goons. Some of these guys have in intimate familiarity with the Saga translation, which is interesting because most people don't play games side by side.
>>736982595It's all but guaranteed, or one of their buttbuddies.That ghoulish whore cuntrina or one of her fellow wokealizer figureheads confirmed they and their defense force stalk every major website to derail anti-localization discussions.And yes, it's always just an endless loop of faggoty mental gymnastics that they task (You) to go through, while never, ever, EVER giving any intellectual concessions, no matter how wrong and weaselly they are proven to be.Again, they don't give a fuck about discussion, they just want to shut down these discussions and get people to stop talking about this.Unfortunately for these trannoid subhumans, that's bump limit :)
>>736981519No one likes your localizations, bro.
>>736982510Language is about context, when you are talking about someone being an "Eight-Headed" while discussing their body, they're discussing the proportions of their body. (and you can use common sense with the fact that the human in front of you does not have 8 heads)If you google "Eight-Headed body" right now, you will see art references for a bodies that are 8 heads tall and not people with 8 heads snaking out of one body.This line is bad because the knowledge of the "8-headed ideal body" is not general knowledge, but the logic is there. The meaning is the same if you know what it means, but the problem is that most people do not know what eight-headded body theory is, and immediately jumps to the retarded image that she's a Hydra.
>>736982739You can't hate them enough. You can't laugh at them enough. You can't BTFO them enough.
>>736982739Threads hitting bump limit quirky is probably preferable for bad actors. They can samefag and bait, filling the thread with nonsense so that it is impossible to follow. Which gives arguments less outreach. The faster archive also means evidence and examples are up for less time.
>>736982831I thought you were leaving the thread >>736981519
I strongly believe that if you don't know japanese you should not be allowed to bitch about localizations here. While it's true that most localizers suck, anyone defending AI translations, ESPECIALLY from DeepL as "accurate" and "faithful" is absolutely retarded and should be made fun of. Even N4-3 subhumans should be able to see how fucking retarded those LLM really are.
>>736982848*quickly
>>736982831Eight-headed only ever refers to having eight heads, Mr. Localizer. I know you think you're clever because Google auto-corrects the search, but you're really not.
>>736966745Those threads clearly aren't about showing how great AI are. They are about showing how much "localizers" fuck things up. Foolish, lying anon.
>>736982905Yeah, prove they're not accurate, Mr. Localizer. Should be easy, right? A big strong N4 like yourself should make quick work of them
>>736982831Googled it. There wasn't a single result that used the term "eight headed" (hint: it's because that is not correct English). Give up
>>736982905I thought you were leaving the thread. Isn't that why you samefagged to provide a face-saving exit for yourself?But since you are in fact still here, would you like to post that evidence I asked for? No?
>>736982831There's not a single person who would ever translate it that way and you know it
>>736982902I haven't even read the thread past the brothership post.I saw people complaining about an odd translation, I gave some perspective of how that line came to be because I practice drawfagging and I know what the eight-heads body rule is.
>>736983059He's just mad that we know more Japanese than him. None of his straw men are working.>>736983102You mean the "eight-headed beauty" rule?
It's funny how people think that bitching about translation in fucking 4chan of all places are achieving something. Even fucking Reddit and Neogaf hold more weight than /v/ lmao.Localizations were a battle you should've cared about back then in 2010, it's too late now.
>>736982905Nice try trannylator
itt: shills, corparate boot lickers, and ESLs argue over how to speak a language none of them know.
>>736982958If you watch poltfan's Metaphor streams(shilling) for particularly shitty lines they'll check DeepL and Grok for maximum shame.(Even MTL gets this right). And usually even if it's "better" it's still not often times not good. I don't have a timestamp so that's probably isn't helpful.
>>736983149You act like you and your kind aren't obsessed with this place. You love watching us shit on you.
>>736963470That's not AI, that's the fan translation.
>>736982843True, true and true. Let the hatred fester, quietly, and keep it pointed.Like I said, gotta go all out when the time is right once they start getting replaced by AI.>>736982848Eh, but at the same time they openly state they spam reports and even call for them. This thread lived for quite a while, and as evidenced by his chimpout he HATES this topic being made over and over again, so it's still a good thing these threads are made.>>736982905Womp womp, no one gives a shit trannoid. You are fucking losing and the hatred towards wokealization is only growing as time goes on.Everyone will laugh and cheer as your "careers" rest in piss. Get fucked.
>>736983203Nope, that's Gemini 3. I fed it the entire conversation and that's what it spit me out.
>>736983198YUUUPThe irony of woketroonoids spending literal hours every day saying how irrelevant this place is is not lost on me. In fucking droves, no less.These faggots will never get any self awareness for as long as they live. Fucking flesh automatons with no higher mental faculties.
>>736983102but it's 7 times longer, not 8
>>736982905I thought you left faggot? Why are you trying to get the last word in?
>open thread>lol
Yeah? Trannoids were actin' up.>>736983406Looney troons always do that larp. It's quite sad.
The localizers want to leave us to our hate
>>736982246That's a localization, bro. The robots have gone woke, it seems.
>>736982905>all the samefag replies to this postlol. lmao even
>>736984051Oh really? Which parts were localized?
Trannylatorbro's still going kek
>>736983730That human translation isn't even good English. Why are they so bad at speaking English?
>>736984073This doesn't look like leaving the thread.
>>736984073>If I call them samefags I have won the argument! I thought you left the thread lil bro.
>>736984607>>736984636He couldn't let it go, getting gaped and raped that hard by the GODS ITT that hate wokealization.
>>736984671Everytime
>>736984607>>736984636>>736984671i'm not that guyjust a noticeralso noticing your discord coordinated replies KEK
>n-not him I-I'm n-not ownedTrannylator bro was fighting through tears to scratch that post out.
>>736982394>1>12kek
>Thread rightfully shitting on bad localizations>Look inside>It's just jeets shilling shitty AI translations and unironically claiming only microsoft can save us, instead of just learning a new languageEvery time, I saw how trash the Segagaga shit was, shills can't fool me.
>>736985109>STILL haven't left the thread>Trying this hard to get the last word on page 10
>>736982246>Tis mega fun!It's ruined, it's over
>>736974843Yeah like >>736985109
>>736985184I just got here, what the fuck are you talking about?
AI won
>>736985337AI wo-ACK
>>736985390Yes. AI won. COPE AND SEETHE
He and his fellow rainbow brigade ghoulish troons will still be doing this even after he loses his job in a few years to machines kek
>>736985217Nope, that's a proper translation.>>736985390That's not AI.
>>736985431I dare you to possibly try and defend that 'joke'.
>>736985504It's funny. Cope.
>>736985495The whole joke is he speaks like a cheesy samurai movie protag, why would he possibly use mega in a sentence?
>>736985578Wait, do you not actually know Japanese? Have I been arguing with an idiot who can't even read the words on the page?
>>736974843Oh, so I can play this in Spanish and get a faithful experience, thanks for the info anon.Muy bueno.
>>736985668Do you even know the context of the lines or anything about the character to begin with?
>>736985718Oh shit, you really don't know Japanese. You actually thought the whole sentence was just archaisms. Oh, that's funny. You guys really are bullshitters.
>>736979540Hope he sees this bro
>>736985761>dodges the questionSecondaryfag detected
