Should people have a right to preserve video games?Or is copyright infringement the sign of a rotten society?
>japan half a century ahead of the rest of the worldnigga thinks it's the 1990s
>Japan, where altruism is more widespreadunless you want time off, or a raise, then no altruism is available.
>>736964309Pretending you care about game preservation is a sign of a buckbroken pirate trying to get moral high ground
>>736964309Considering japs have a terrible history when it comes to preserving their own old games, yeah.Think of how many other pieces of media were saved thanks to archivists:>Many Doctor Who episodes were kept thanks to people who recorded the show, as the BBC just kept discarding shit (there are still fully 'lost' episodes though)>Same for Star Trek>Old movies were found after a long time because someone 'borrowed' a reel or did their own copy decades ago (e.g. Metropolis was almost found in its entirety in Argentina)>The hundreds of tapes recorded by Marion StokesWhy is it only videogames that apparently don't deserve the same right to preservation? Same goes with translation: Butchering books by 'localizing' them is seen as something pretty stupid, and we all laughed at 4Kids' jelly donuts. But videogames? Oh no, gotta get rid of all those honorifics and stick in stupid meme lingo because otherwise the player might not understand foreign culture or worse yet, get offended.Fuck off. Preserve anything and everything.
Can Japs offload some of that altruism into fixing their work culture so their sadistic system stops driving them into the top 10 of global suicide and inceldom rankings?
>>736964760How are pirates ''buckbroken'' when we get everything we want and we argue for our own interests?Meanwhile you deepthroat corpo boot for free, you are mentally and spiritually raped
>>736964309This tweet was made by a white male in a basement in Ohio that thinks he's a woman because of anime porn.
>>736964728the altruism comes from the individual not from the society
>>736964309Japan is perhaps the last place on earth whos citizens firmly believe companies give a shit about them.
>>736964945every single capitalist is an individual, and they all say No
>>736964952What's going on with Lithuania?
>>736964952You think I don't make fun of Amerisharts either on that topic?Anon, just say you care less about someone's wellbeing than I do.Arrogance and hubris are mutually exclusive with altruism. If you are gonna claim shit about your shithole, back it up. As opposed to you and that Jap, I don't make such lofty claims about my 2nd World shithole, because I don't have a stick up my ass unlike your dumb suiciding asses.
>>736964997they lost the cold war
Why are white people so obsessed with preservation?
>>736964575They were never ahead of the world.
>>736964309As an individual you are a peasant, the law stops applying once you have money or are a big corporation, then they will steal your code from github and sell it illegally, and you can't fight back, you don't have the money to sue.Companies will break every law, then they will get a fine equal to 1% of the profit they made that year and continue breaking the law.If you are a peasant then the law will fuck you in the ass, then you got a squad of that company's sycophants like in OP's picture trash talking you 24/7 about morals.This is the world we live in, the faggot world.
>>736964982Japanese pro-corporate laws are generally fucking insane. In Japan the TOS applies as a contract in court, so the corporations can and do legally ban Japs from altering devices they own.
>>736964309To be fair blindly adhering to something just because it's the law and calling that ethical is incredibly on brand for bug men.
>>736964760>>736965048Why are you brown?
>>736965048Because shit corpos and the gov keep revising everything all the time? It's not just movies or games, even information itself. Try finding old articles in the news online. If you get lucky and find a particular 'sensitive' topic it might've gotten sanitized already.Meanwhile, you can go to a library and check old newspapers, which will hold the exact same content that they did whenever these were printed.Information is highly important, and an informed person is increasingly becoming something 'not approved' by the higher-ups. All this fucking age attestation bullshit is really just more 1984-tier control over not only what you say, but what you are even allowed to see.
>>736964997women all turned to prostitutes and theres nothing to live for over there
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>>736964832The simple answer is that video games have yet to accrue the cultural capital to push back against retards. Even other mediums like movies and books face this issue, but there are enough people that believe in it as an art form that it doesn't go very far. Vidya still struggles to be acknowledged as an art. This is also why the games that get praised by """journalists"""" are usually shallow cinematic walking sims that forgot they're a video game.
>>736964309Japanese consumers have extremely shit taste, it's never worth listening to a thing they say. Btw if you've ever pirated something this guy would probably be glad to see you rotting in jail.
>altruism is when you do something that benefits no one and hurts yourself
>>736965128I watched a video about Japanese companies suing their own employees for putting in their resignation. Like the more you learn about Japan the more you realize it's just the Israel of the Asian world.
>>736964309It's always funny seeing Japanese people act like they never pirate anything at all. Shit, back when torrents were the popular form of piracy, most of IPs in torrents of new eroge releases were from Japan.Also, JP fanbase is genuinely in the wrong with the Nier thing. Squenix could have released an offline version of the game, like what Capcom did with the Megaman game, but Square just took a game offline with no way to experience it again, and they have given absolutely no word about plans to release offline version.So private server that allows people to experience the story again isn't hurting anybody.>>736965048Culture is not disposable, and it's possible to learn something from anything.
>>736964760this tweet is a reply to a fucking live service gacha that went EoS, there is no fucking piracy you dumb nigger
>>736964309altruism is when you refuse to play retro games until the company arbitrarily decides when you're allowed to buy them
>>736964309Copyright is the sign of a rotten society actually
>>736964309Japan is behind the curve, actually. The whole point of copyright was supposed to be to advance the arts and sciences by giving creators exclusivity for a short period so they could fund their next work; now it's being used to prevent ever having to make another work again not only for the author but their descendants. That inevitably stratifies society and prevents class reshuffling, keeping the poor poor and the rich rich.
>>736965048yes goy forget history, lets have slaves again
>>736964309Copyright shouldn't be a thing
Japs live in a bubble world where they have access to well preserved physical copies of games. That situation isn't even the case in the US, which has ancient Rome tier access to international goods. So it's definitely not the case anywhere else. Like imagine you're Columbian or some shit and you want to play a retro game that isn't on a digital catalog, and it's going for meme prices because some eceleb dork just dropped a 5 hour retrospective.
>>736965252>>736965284>spend years of your life making something and be proud of it>release it to the public>shortly after some nigger copy-pastes your work with minor edits then proceeds to shill and market the fuck out of it>his bootleg is what actually becomes popular and makes tons of money while you're left unknown>you can't sue him, you can't protest his actions, you have no concrete proof that you're the original creator I know that autists only think in extremes and short-sighted arguments but this is the kind of world you want?
>>736964309>japan ahead of the worldLol, I love it to bits when I go there and they generally enjoy much more peace and a higher quality of life, but the culture they employ to maintain that is compeltely insane and the proof is in the suicide rates and birth rates.Again, I fucking adore Japan it makes me sad to see such a wonderfully clean and pretty place before I have to return to Birmingham every time I leave but its so, so obvious they're just pretending things aren't as bad as they are underneath. They didn't solve their birth rates in time and now they have to grapple with importing thirdies at an alarming rate because they didn't pay any attention to where the west went wrong with integration so they've just sent them to live in their own huge communities that won't integrate and they'll just ruin it like they did the west.>videogamesThey have the most genuinely psychotic corporate dick sucking approach to piracy and preservation I've ever seen period. Even the most corpo-judaic cock hungry american can't hold a candle to the amount of cock the japanese consumer can throat without even gagging. The Japanese WILL NOT accept anyone playing games that have been taken offline from a legal standpoint, they WILL NOT play an old game that hasn't been sold for decades if its not an official copy. They just don't care because they've always been pandered to and cradled, all of the good shit has either always come from Japan or been translated to Japanese so why would they ever try to pirate? They even let Nintendo ruin peoples lives for editing save files in offline only games, its so fucked.
>>736964309>altruismYes the dictionary definition of altruism is getting fucked in the ass with a sandpaper condom by the corpos who'll love nothing more than to rip you off over and over.
anime is only popular because of piracy, imagine if all anime access the rest of the world had was 4 kids shit
>>736965462That world already exists, because you can't copyright game mechanics, or thematic generalities.
>>736965462>I know that autists only think in extremes and short-sighted arguments
>>736965462vampire survivors made shitload of money, has a billion clonesbalatro made a shitload of money, has a billion clones
>>736965048Yeah, why bother remembering history when you can just let it be forgotten and make up what happened in a way that suits you perfectly? Don't those wypipo know anything?
YOU FUCKING GAIJIN DOGSHOW DARE YOU STEAL FROM SQUARE ENIX!
Who is this person?Are they aware of the LLMs?
>>736965545>pirating a game that went EoS
>>736965550Lots of Japanese people are VERY mad that an unofficial server for Nier Reincarnation (a dead gacha) got made by fans
>>736965252>>736965284>t. XhangThis is also why you'll always be one step behind, because all you do is copy.
>>736965545Disclaimer: no one actually broke into and stole from a warehousePeople just used data in a way the poster doesn't like
>>736964926Why has the sharty only lost since 2023
>>736965545Even Japs get what SKG commies don't.
Maybe they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps instead.
>>736965538None of the clones directly claim to be vampire survivors. If you want to know what a world without copyright would actually look like feel free to look at the android app store or what kind of crap got sold in china and third world markets for decades. Would you like to play a guessing game of "which Mario game is the REAL Mario?" while knowing no law says the bootlegs should be pulled from shelves?
>>736965487There was some western anime VA who some time ago complained about western anime fans being "entitled" because they think they should be able to see media that has not been formally made available for them. I'm pretty sure her actual problem was that people watch fansub instead of submitting to paying money for official American localizations.
>japs didn't give a single shit about the dragalia lost server>suspicious>look up further>all this rage comes from a jewtuber making videos about nier reincarnation lore bordering fanficah
>>736965164>>736965241>>736965283>>736965540You would have a point if this was not gachaslop for the lowest brown shade of the india caste system
>>736965652Yeah, Japs like SKG haters are pathetic beta cucks who get raped in the ass daily then proceed to just smile and ask "same time and place tomorrow, boss?"
>clothing companies stop selling various items each year >nobody cares >books go out of print >nobody cares >movies aren't currently released >nobody cares>companies stop producing tools/gadgets/whatever >nobody cares>in supermarkets, products disappear off shelves each season >nobody cares>gaming company stops selling a game>NOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT! THATS MY CHUDHOOD YOURE TAKING AWAY! WE NEED A LAW AGAINST THAT!!Of course it's gamers. It's always you. Somehow you feel the need to tell companies that they cannot sell or not sell their products anymore.
>>736965283>>736965540>nyooo my gachaslop for goyim cattle preservation, stop rewriting storyyy
>>736964309Two nukes weren't enough.
>>736965652>toxotranny
>>736964309Double yes
>>736965048it's a zoomer buzzword for trying to justify their piracy (and they can't shut up about it so companies will crack down even more)
>>736964309Okay, but like, you realize that the Japanese userbase of twitter are just as liable to be autistic weirdos as the general western usebase, right? If not more so.
>seething about skg out of nowhere
>>736965191Byuu dumped and shared all of the games he ever got, he just lived in japan so he knew better then to try and virtue signal about it, why do you think the games mysteriously appeared online whenever he got it? This image is why social signaling vanity works, people are retarded and don't even try to understand whats going on, anons on 4chud arent any different from a twitter user.
>the country that is still using floppy disks thinks that they're 1 century aheadPure tendie fatigue
>>736965201Video games have the cultural capital, but the lawmakers are out of touch boomers who will not let go of their power until every last one of them is dead
Well, have you noticed that this mentality exists in the West too? Nintendo fanatics are all like that japanese guy. It's no coincidence that Nintendo is also japanese and is the first to enforce restrictions on pirate sites and copyright infringement. And they are happy when that happens. It's the mentality of someone loyal even against their own interests, a slave. For years, they've endured full-priced games, limited editions, attended events, and consoles bought on the spot. You, on the other hand, show up and get everything for free: "and you want the same experience as me as a disciple? Only we can enjoy it, because we are loyal". I blame the Edo era.
>>736964728It is a collectivist state. You are supposed to be altruisicly serving the state (((the people))).
>>736965128I've read some article a while back that a lot of nintendo execs were basically still seething and couldn't comprehend how emulation is still perfectly legal in the US (as long as you didn't do stuff like steal copyrighted code or something) It's interesting given how pro-corporate the US generally is anyway but there's some decent pockets of freedom when it comes to your software at leastI'm honestly surprised there hasn't really been any significant changes in the laws surrounding emulation but I'm guessing no one wants to rock that boat as the tech used from it is also being used in official capacities IIRC
Why do browns and jeets hate corporations so much? Corporations are our friends and family, Japan is right to trust them because corporations treat them well for their entire lives into retirement.
How come the west hate big corporations and Japan loves them and will fight for them? I seriously don't understand that part of their culture.
>>736965462Here's the problem: Why do you need the approval and praise of others? Why can't you just do a good thing and know people enjoy it without having them know that you made it? You know the truth, you made the game, you know people enjoy it and they should regardless of knowing you made it. If you still make it in the world and you're not starving to death or live in poverty, all is fine. And also always remember you have the talent. Just push some cool update that respects and expands on the work you did that the nigger can't do by himself and you won.
>>736965714Of fucking course its a youtuber that riled them up.
>>736966069In Japan capitalism isnt broken. People work their whole lives in a corporation and they take care of their employees and fund their retirement and use the money they earn to invest back into Japan. The japanese in return worships corporations and treat them as their family because they are there to take care of their people. Stealing from corporations through a breaking of copyrights is dishonorable and nothing but indian behaviour.
>>736965683What a stupid quote. Ayn Rand didn't know what "altruism" meant. Altruism is not what's happening when self sacrifice and service without personal gain is compelled by society or the state, that's just slavery. Actual altruism, that is to say real, legitimate selflessness is a functionally impossible property to possess because it's an ideal that rests outside human nature. The closest thing you'll see to it in real life is a martyr complex, and even that can be identified as performed only for self-gratification.
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>>736965048I don't think you realize just how many old and obscure games from the 90s have been lost. I don't care how shit they are, they should all be preserved. Just like games now so I and others don't scrounge for them in 2050.
>>736964309I love Japanese culture but sometimes they have these soulless bug takes for no clear reason. Must be the Chinese origins in their blood.
>>736966136>I don't think you realize just how many old and obscure games from the 90s have been lost.name 3
>>736965481they have the same issue a lot of other countries have where it's mainly old people in charge and they're absolutely not incentivized to really change things for the better for the younger generation. Politicians try to appeal to who would vote for them, if the huge majority of the population that's politically active is old people, they're going to try to appeal to them while screwing over the younger generation who aren't as valuable in voting. Some companies are probably looking into having less insane work-life balances but it's a slow change.Though I think Korea might have it way worse than Japan right now, shits even more fucked over there despite probably being more open to immigration. Like work-life balance is fucked in Japan but holy fuck even as a kid you're just thrown into a study and grind hell
>>736965462copyright and trade marks expirethese things exist so there is time for the creator to benefit off their ingenuity. And they expire so their creations can benefit the world.if game developers are going to abandon their creations and put them in an unplayable state intentionally or through neglect, perhaps their rights to those creations should expire faster.
>>736964309The average Japanese person is a suit, so they do whatever's best for suits, which is pretending they provide some kind of value to society. They only care about copyright because it benefits those people. They don't care about novelty. Every JJBA character has a backstory that's ripped straight from a Western film and no one bats an eye, but you're not allowed to say "Gundam" out loud.>>736965481You don't need a birthrate above replacement nor do you need to import laborers. There is no logical argument for it. Population decline isn't bad for anyone other than the military and freeloaders and there's a slightly negative correlation between population size and quality of life.
>>736966136Not everything is worth preserving
>>736965752As usual, amerimutt hits people with a completely retarded argument. The issue in question is like saying that if a company stops producing a certain type of shoes then they just need to be removed COMPLETELY including being taken from people's homes then if you get them from some second-hand source you're a literal thief.>>736965861Bait.>>736966104Oh yeah, I forgot that we live in a whimsical fantasy world where people survive on air alone and don't care about their work going unappreciated or even worse - ripped off by others for profit. Gonna do some Disney style musical moment now?
>>736966235You don't need a birthrate above replacement nor do you need to import laborers.Have fun working until your death then, because there wouldn’t be enough young people to pay for your retirement.
>>736966252Everything is worth preserving just so we can have a measure of "worth".
>>736966235>You don't need a birthrate above replacement nor do you need to import laborers.Not that guy but you kinda do if you want to live in a welfare state.I'm a libertarian so I don't believe in forcing people, but most people are authoritarians and demand the continuation of the welfare state. And how can you continue the welfare state without population replacement?
>>736964309>copyright infringement the sign of a rotten societythis statement is proof of a zionist occupied society
>Altruism Maybe like 1% of the world population is actually altruistic. Anyone else is doing it for the sake of ego or some other benefit (which is not altruism btw)
>>736965752>clothing companies stop selling various items each yearCopyright law doesn't stop you from tailoring clothes, or having them tailored for you to my knowledge. As long as you have some kind of visual reference, you can reproduce basically any article of clothing that has ever existed.>books go out of printPeople do actually care, we have libraries for precisely this reason, but I don't imagine shitskins will understand since libraries are basically an alien concept. Existing books don't disappear from the shelves and new copies digital and physical can still be made from existing copies, that was a whole thing way back with Alexandria. Copyright law hates this though.>movies aren't currently released VHS, DVD, and Blueray and digital copies still exist and can be copied infinitely, but copyright law hates this.>companies stop producing tools/gadgets/whatever There are actually workshops that will reverse engineer and produce that shit, and it's a pretty necessary service when it comes to maintaining machinery. Expensive as fuck though.>in supermarkets, products disappear off shelves each seasonPeople do actually care about this, but copyright law doesn't stop people from reproducin- Actually no wait, the Coca Cola company got seriously pissed off when someone used a spectrometer to reproduce their formula and sell it.>gaming company stops selling a gameSame deal as most of these other things, there are existing ways to reproduce the information for preservation reasons, but copyright law hates it.All in all, copyright law is all very jewish. The idea that you can own an idea for decades even after you're done with it, or in perpetuity is abhorrent.>Somehow you feel the need to tell companies that they cannot sell or not sell their products anymore.Yes. Preserving history large and small is the right thing to do.
>>736966252What a retarded mindset. If everyone thought like you so much shit would be lost forever because of being too cheap, too silly, too niche or considered "bad". Hell, nobody would even really know about Lovecraft's work today because he was not very appreciated in his time and didn't care much about what would happen to his work in the future, but luckily he had a network of loyal friends who after his passing created a publishing company dedicated specifically for archiving and distributing his works. So many different media were also just discarded and gathering dust in random warehouses because nobody saw value in them anymore then actually got preserved and distributed to the public because someone interested in preservation gave a shit.
>it's morally wrong to deny a corporation a sale, corporations and creatives are the same thing>if a corporation shuts down the game you paid 60$ for, that's just their right as the artist! (no artist was involved with this decision)>Corporations aren't ACTUALLY evil that's just in videogamesinconceivable culture
>>736966360Meanwhile without copyright laws browsing most media would be a nightmare because for every book, movie or game there would be tons of shameless ripoffs and bootlegs just allowed to be there. Stop thinking in extremes, without copyright laws gaming alone would drown in crappy chinese bootlegs that would NOT be contained to third world and chinese marketplaces.
Cattle should just shut up, eat whatever slop they're fed, and let the farmer milk them dry.
If there video games aren't being produced anymore there's no problem with downloading them for free.
>>736964309Copyright is harmful to society and should be abolished.http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstnew.htm
>>736966427Not saying they shouldn't exist, but if a company is done with their product, it should be opened up for preservation purposes and that means releasing source files for third party preservation.
>>736965545Japs will either defend companies until their dying breath for no compensation or send death threats to every single individual dev and set the HQ on fire. It's hilarious.
>>736964309>Copyright is important!>Japanese venues are full of commercial doujinshi products.Making money out of your fanfiction is also a breach of copyright. At least western pirates don't have open indie-fests with people selling copyright-infringing products to people.
>>736964309>copyright goodgood goy!did you know that the huge media conglomerates like yidsney that extended copyright terms to 95 years wouldn't exist to day if copyright had been automatic and had lasted that long back in the day?>>736965048>preservation badwhy do museums exist? I guess they should stop preserving their collections and just exhibit shit from the last 10 years right?why does the public domain exist?why do companies even keep re-releasing old movies and games? I guess they should only sell stuff made in the last 5 years right? oh wait, they keep re-releasing, remastering, and remaking old games. maybe there's some point to preserving old media...
>>736964309Isn't it just square enix shills that are like this? JP PSOfags for example are more than happy to play on private servers
>>736966505No. You consume only the product you are permitted to consume.
>>736966516>Rules for thee but not for me!Basically.
>>736966427Sounds good to me. I can just ignore the shit as I already do.
>>736964309Maybe it's just Japan, where licking corpo boot is more widespread, is actually half a century ahead of the world on being cucked and conformist. They would literally be the perfect goys.
>>736966516To my knowledge touhou became huge in Japan precisely because the creator officially allowed people to sell their fanworks of it. That's all it took. Funny, innit?
>>736964309>DBZ pfp is saying thisJapan, where people who upload anime/manga/TV show screenshots with no regard to copyright on the Internet get asshurt over copyright infringement/piracy and other people who do the same thing
>>736966561These people will cry about how copyright infringement/piracy is le bad while laughing their ass at MAD (Japanese YouTube Poop basically) videos and shitposting on 5ch using screenshots from anime/manga/TV show that aren't officially provided
>>736964309Copyrights should last only 5 years for companies with more than 50 employees, 10 years for companies with more than 10 employees, and 20 years for individual authors.
>>736964832Big media hates preservation because it makes their propaganda jobs harder>>736965048Can't claim our countries were always gay brown matriarchies with a clown economy when you have century old movies that show a different societyGames sort of have this too, but to a lesser extent since they are pure fiction rather than only partial fiction.
>>736964309If homm3 was taken away from me I'd probably go on a life ending campaign to get it back
>>736966798You forgot about lobbying for extended copyrights, like Disney did.
>>736966798Watch it with the antisemitism, goyim! Oy vey!
>>736965683atlas Shrugged was some of the most stupid book I had.
>>736966829I'd rather live in gay brown matriachies than be controlled by jews.
>>736966829EXACTLY. That's why something like Stokes' collection of VHSes is truly worth preserving: you get a glimpse of what the news was talking about back then, without any future 'retouches' by big brother.And with the internet, the latest try is the age check crap with the tpyical 'muh kids' excuse.
>>736966519>why do museums exist?Museums are highly selective, however.They exhibit only what they consider most interesting, store what they consider important, and don’t care about most things.In the world of video games, there are people who genuinely believe they need to preserve everything. Of course, their argument falls apart as soon as anyone starts thinking about what video games actually are in the first place. How many text adventures should we preserve, when thousands of them were made in the 1980s for programming practice? How many of the thousands of shitty flash games where you dress up little dolls do we need to preserve? How many RPG Maker games made by kids as a joke should be preserved?
>>736965048Our ancestors built great libraries and then watched them burn, and understood what we lost.
>>736966583Sure, only what people who scream "copyright bad" don't realize that without copyright there would be little stopping people from putting misleading bootlegs right on the shelves. Would you like to go to gamestop back in the day thinking you bought Super Mario Bros only to get Grand Dad?
>>736964847they have
>>736966984>Museums are highly selective, however.so are game companies. you can't just throw together a shitty tic-tac-toe clone in unreal and expect it to be picked up by microsoft/sony/nintendo
>>736966984>should weThey should just be made public domain when their makers are done with them so that whoever wants to preserve games can, whatever kind of selection they practice.
>>736967008In a free system people would naturally gravitate towards the best storefronts.Stores decide what to put on display.
>>736967008I'm not going to buy from a shop that doesn't sell what is advertised, obviously. In fact, that's illegal and has nothing to do with copyright.
>>736967008Storefronts are capable of being selective with their stock without copyright law. It's about time you just admitted that the real problem here is that shareholders think they're looking at lost profit if things go public domain, which nobody real actuall gives a fuck about.
>>736964309Game preservation was always just a moral shield for piracy. I wish these people were more honest, you just want to play games for free. Stop acting like you're doing it for the good of the medium or whatever moral cope you use to steal media. I pirate games constantly but I never act like it's anything other than what it really is.
>>736966984>How many of the thousands of shitty flash games where you dress up little dolls do we need to preserve?Flashpoint already seeks to preserve as many as possible, and what's not on Flashpoint/was removed off of it, is on swfchan. Nothing wrong with preserving a basic 3D racing demo or a character dress up game.
>>736964309Why are japanese so cucked when it comes to copyrights and ownership?
>Japs talking about preservationThe same insects that bulldozed everything during Meiji era just to consolidate power and appeal to the West?
>>736964760Lol not really. If you're broke in your 20s maybe. Once you have a career you kinda don't care about every new games that come out but there's a few old games that's nostalgic but it's gone forever. It can be shit games too. That's basically a good chunk of MMO and old iOS / mobile games / niche console games / regional exclusive games. Not every game has to be preserved but you should have the rights to preserve (You)r favorite shit game
>>736964309>"No sir, I'm stealing this ham - to preserve it!"
>>736966984>How many text adventures should we preserve, when thousands of them were made in the 1980s for programming practice? How many of the thousands of shitty flash games where you dress up little dolls do we need to preserve? How many RPG Maker games made by kids as a joke should be preserved?All of them
>>736966940You live in gay brown matriachies BECAUSE you are controlled by jews.
>>736965487Pokemon was widespread by 4kids and it rules the world so
>>736966427> browsing most media would be a nightmare because for every book, movie or game there would be tons of shameless ripoffs and bootlegs just allowed to be there>Stop thinking in extremes
>>736967542They're the most submissive people on earth when it comes to hierarchies and traditions. Their superiors tell them copyright is good, copyright has existed as law since before they were born, so they unequivocally believe it's good, must be adhered to, and never ever questioned. These are the same people who until relatively recently believed their ruler was descended from their gods and maintained a feudal society well into the industrial age. Their leap into the modern era happened after they were dragged kicking and screaming past their traditional ways by americans, first with the gunboat diplomacy incident, and again at the conclusion of ww2.If they were left in complete isolation as they were right now, they'd stay exactly the way they are for literal millennia and never question it. They still use fucking fax machines for god's sake, it's illegal to use them, they just pay the fines and keep doing it. If the western left wing represents progressivism to an insane degree, the japanese are on the other end of that axis in regards to conservatism.
>>736964309Western relation with IP law is forged from nerds fighting tooth and nail against shitty/lazy publishing practices.>"If you won't give it to us in a suitable manner, then we'll find a way to get it under our own terms."This can be jarring for more neurotic or timid creators to deal with, but has enabled the material in question to reach thousands if not millions more people than it otheriwse ever would have. On top of being far better for preservation in general (99% of companies will throw preservation out the window if it harms their bottom line in any way - this can be broadly extrapolated to things outside video games, which is why we don't have fridges and cookware that last 20 years anymore)Japanese relation with IP law is based on the view that the relationship between a creator and their product is as sacrosanct as that between a parent and child. If the parent doesn't want the child "comming out to play", then there's nothing that can be done.The Japanese mindset works well enough in small indie scenes where things are primarily produced out of passion, and allowed a thriving "doujin" culture to profilerate and exist to this day. But doesn't scale up when the "creative" is a buisness trying to make profit - particularly if it's a multi-million-dollar one.
>>736967520When I want to pirate, I pirate. But I also like the idea of preservation, not just videogames but media in general. And I wouldn't mind buying a good old game either.Why let a fine work die in obscurity when it can be easily perserved?
>>736967520I have pirated games because it’s not readily available before, like I wasn’t gonna buy a PS2 just so I could play azure dreams because it’s not on the PS store. I understand that it probably takes at least some degree of QA to at least make sure a game works on a modern system though so I understand
>>736966427>Meanwhile without copyright laws browsing most media would be a nightmare because for every book, movie or game there would be tons of shameless ripoffsthere's a little trick to avoid that>search by author>search by ISBN>search by printer or publisher>author endorsements>etc. etc. etc.furthermore, if that were the case, why hasn't it happened for public domain works? we've got over 4900 years of history to make derivatives oftl;dr you are full of shit
>>736967590>All of themThis is impossible and a waste of conservation efforts.
>>736966252You don't get to decide that. You personally don't have to do anything so at least fuck off, shut the fuck up and let others work if you don't care about it
The assumption that a institution will willingly keep onto or use unprofitable assets for an immaterial good, despite it consistanly not being the case.Corpo's Wager.
I don't think it's worth preserving things if it's going to end up in the hands of beige goblinoid abominations that make up the USA and da global souf, certainly you can see why piracy is bad when it allows access to the cultural output of civilized people to subhumans without any financial compensation.>>736967590Civilization was really set back where elsa and spiderman spine surgery games were killed.
I really, honestly hope you're only pretending to be this stupid, anon.
>>736964309Japs are all goycattle.
>>736964309>country that hosts literal one of the largest conventions on Earth, held twice a year, for hundreds of thousands of people to break copyright laws with unlicensed merchandise, comics and other works bootlegged from commercial properties. And that's nothing to say of their year-round online markets>talking of awareness of copyright Glass houses.
>>736964760I'm double on this topicOn one side I love I can still play my old games since I own them on a disc. But on the other hand, I have like 1k games between physical and steam and if suddenly one game would be removed(even more so an online game that is prolly dead) I wouldnt give a fuck.
>>736965545So it's abandonware?
>game already reached EOS>some guy coded a server simulator, releases on public github with instructions on how to setup a private server>nips are chimping out against itif the dev charges money for this I would understand the reaction, but there's basically no negative to what this dev is doing?
>>736964309>Bugman said you cant own your games and you NEED to pay out the ass for old games thst arent sold anymore>because you're supposed to be altruistic or some shitYeah, no thanks. Long live Retroarch.
>>736968667It's theft retard. That's why people don't like it
>>736968493you're reading corporate propaganda trying to put words into people's mouths. logic is optional
>>736964309You penniless faggots aren't going to buy them anyway. Even the bargain bin is too expensive for you.
>>736968753theft of.....what, exactly?
>>736968753What is being stolen here?
>>736968776I love this meme because of how disingenuous it is.Remind me again, what's the full price of the FRLG switch rerelease?
>>736968753the original code is still there in possession of the developer, how is it theft?
>>736968795>>736968809Intellectual property you dishonest monkeys
>>736968839ITS TOO EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>736968864How is it "theft" of "intellectual property" when the dev is still in full possession of it?
>>736968864Does the mod owner also claim ownership of the intellectual property? No, they dont't you disingenuous monkey
Why are all japs such loyal corpo slaves? I swear if some company patented the concept of breathing they would all hold their breaths and die.
>>736968667>there's basically no negative to what this dev is doingThe Jap argument is that it's evil criminal monkey behavior because the publisher didn't personally authorize it and still owns the IPIf an online-only game shuts down and the publisher has no plan to ever make it available again, it's evil to go against the publisher's wishes and you're a savage subhuman if you make a private server for a game the publisher isn't distributing or supporting anymore
>>736968908>too ashamed to answerQED
>>736968959They learned it from americans. Which makes sense since America is a corporate shithole too (though not this bad)
>>736964309>Should people have a right to preserve video games?Yes.>Or is copyright infringement the sign of a rotten society?That's a loaded question.
>>736964309japan is really bad about game preservation because the number of fucked ports for old games we get from there is awful
>>736968959Maybe it’s because their companies aren’t dogshit garbage and actually make good products without American agenda slop. Their corporations try to please their loyal fans, not a bunch of literal whos who wouldn’t even give them money like western cucks do.
>>736968972You got your answer retard bro.It's too expensive.
>>736968864It's impossible to steal intellectual property, theft involves the removal of property from one person's possession to another, which doesn't apply to information like this. It's just copyright infringement, you just call it theft because calling it what it actually is doesn't elicit sympathy from anyone.Jew.
>>736965048It'd be futile to try and explain it to you, you literally do not have the mental capacity to understand it.
>>736968959Because that's all they've known. Japanese streamers can't play games unless they've been given permission to by the devs.
>>736969138>Maybe it’s because their companies aren’t dogshit garbage and actually make good productsThis is what japs actually believe.
>xitter now lets westerners and nips autotranslate each other's posts>the west finally realizes japs are corpo boot licking legalists who literally never question any rule
>>736965723Except Nier gacha was written with enough Canon content to be considered the third entry in the series thanks to Taro's 'tism that makes the most ephemeral experiences just as likely to have content significant to the world.
>>736964309For some reason jap love sucking corpro cock. It's one of their biggest flaws.
>>736969152I asked for the price, not your pathetic deflection stupid tendie.
>>736969232nice cope but all gacha are non-canon fanfic>b-but muh FGO and 7 million words and the lore autism-fanfic, yes, sorry
>>736964309Sorry Japanbros, I love you and all, but I'm keeping my emulators and roms. Rom hatred is quite possibly the lamest thing about Japan. Beyond preservation and convenience, there's so much you can do with emulation. Thankfully not all Japanese share that sentiment, and some even create cool romhacks like Final Fantasy VI T-Edition.Maybe they can't appreciate it because they never needed to play fan translations of SNES RPGs.
>>736969218Game companies in Japan don’t have agenda slop precisely because most of their money comes from Japanese buyers and their stance on piracy. If it were a third-world country like yours, where everything is pirated, companies wouldn’t care about making good games or pleasing their fanbase, and all the games you love from Japan wouldn’t even exist.
Reading this thread makes me glad that i own my house, don't burn money in a useless vehicle, have minimized bills, cook at home, actually save money, actually invest money into an account that has given me a 30% return YTD, wheel options every week for additional money which i use for more investments.I save $200 a week alone by not wasting money on eating out.
>>736969309It genuinely pains me because I love so many things about Japan, but this extreme level of corpo bootlicking is hard to ignore, especially when they call you a subhuman savage for downloading a 40 year old ROM that's not being sold by a billion dollar corporation anymore
>>736964309>actually half a century ahead of the rest of the world
>>736968493>Comparing fanart to piracyAre you retarded
>>736969324Nta it’s like $20 and people still said it was too expensive
>>736969326Cope, reincarnation is nier 3, always has been
>>736969461Every rose has it thorn.
>>736969324You got your answer, anon literally said its too expensive holy fuck you're retarded.
>>736965048It's impossible to remember everything, but there is more of importance to remember than any one person or collection of people can remember with any accuracy. The way a person works as a consciousness is that new data is fed to a collection of old data, the whole dataset updates and you act upon it to receive new data to repeat the cycle. We benefit from that data being as accurate and as extensive as possible so that our actions are the best they can be, or there's very little separating us from the animals.
>>736969461Don't act like you don't pirate a bunch of other Japanese media from anime to manga as well as doujinshi and indie games, subhuman weeb
Lowest IQ thread of the year. You guys think Japan is a content superpower because the money comes from thin air, so all Japanese people should pirate their stuff.No wonder you guys worship their games so much while your shithole country makes nothing but dogshit.
>>736965723It's the principle you disingenuous fuck.
>>736969461You're too stupid to understand the concept of ownership. You are not entitled to the labor of another for free just like how your place of work is not entitled to your labor for free.
>>736969696>Don't act like you don't pirate a bunch of other Japanese media from anime to mangaMaybe they should sell it to me rather then keeping most of it only in Japan. If i can't buy it I will get it by other means.
>>736967520It's not just piracy even though I sail many seas myself, I want to play old league of legends, from 2010-2014, but it's all lost, riot will never release the servers, and they already shut down a project that tried to bring back a 2011 server, they are evil animals, I don't want to play their goyslop modern game, I want the soul back.
>>736969767No labour was expended in its production. It's a digital file that can be copied infinitely with nothing other than the electricity required to power a computer.
>>736969737>Be a high trust society>Noooo not like that>>736969836It's not on them it's on western publishers. Anime and manga are more accessible than ever yet people still find excuses
>>736969836You're not going to buy it because you cant afford it.
>>736967520>Game preservation was always just a moral shield for piracy. I wish these people were more honest, you just want to play games for freeHow can i pay to play a online only game that has been shut down?
>>736969897If people made private servers for old LoL riot could decide to cease and desist them could they not? I saw recently blizzard got a WoW private server shut down
>>736969696I only read fan translations though
>>736969903Labor was expended in its production, retard. You think that shit comes out of absolutely nothing? If so then share with us because that alone is outside of the laws of physics and would easily be one of the biggest scientific breakthroughs in the history of humanity.
>>736965462Stein or bergCall it
>>736970042None was expended in making the copy of the file. That's how computers work dumbass. This isn't the 13th century where you have some guy copying books by hand. It is free and near instant with absolutely no human input.
>>736970029Fan translations of what? Quite often these translators try to make a buck off doing it too, extra scummy
>>736970005They did that already, some tards made a private server that was 99% working but they didn't release the code because they were greedy animals, if they would have released the code then anyone could host matches, no need to keep a server running at all times, it would be impossible for riot to shut it down, but here we are...
>>736969917The vast majority of anime and manga I like are not available in any official way. For a select few series I've gone through the trouble of buying through a proxy in Japan and importing it, but that's extremely expensive so not really feasible to do in bulk. And even so I can guarantee that I've supported the artists financially a lot more than a thousand retards paying their crunchyroll subs.
>>736970102So humanity has found out a way to circumvent the laws of physics. Present to us the source of scientific studies of which you derive your claim?
>>736965462None of that is a problem if your reasons for creating something were altruistic in the first place. The real problem is we live in a world where someone creating can't do so freely because a bunch of longnose tribe has made it so you need to work yourself to death just to exist.
>>736970174Computers do not break the laws of physics dumbass. All that is expended is electricity we paid for, not them.
>>736965048Go read some 40k lore if you want a picture of humanity not preserving anything.
>>736970005They didn't get Turtle WoW shut down, they just got a court settlement with a hong kong company associated with the server. None of the people running it have appeared in court or said anything about shutting it down.
>>736964309>why do you let people criticize Nintendo? we don't do that in JAPANY>why do you let people mod video games? we don't do that in JAPANY>why do you have Fair Use? we don't do that in JAPANY>why don't you work 60 hours a week and try to sneak more unpaid work in, like we do in JAPANY?>why don't you just let old games rot and die (except if it's our state religion of Dragon Quest 3), like we do in JAPANY?also jesus christ what did they do to the captcha processing with the maintenance, it's slow as fuck now
You did remember to delete your roms after 24 hours, right /v/? Don't let Japan down.
>>736964309The samurai defend the corporations with their blades of refined morals. Such an honorable display…
This thread has so much disingenuous posts in it. You don't see the other boards on this place especially /a/ have such a conniption about piracy
>>736964309Japanese don't owe gaijin shitpigs anything. It's theirs and they can pull the plug if they feel like it. They do, however, have the right to have "preservationists" raped to death by their lawyers.
>>736970234Where does the electricity come from? Where did the materials that make up the distribution network for electricity come from? Where does the money come from? What created the product? Where did the tools that helped in creating the product come from? Where did the people who made the product attain the knowledge required to create it? Where did the equipment made for hosting and distributing the product come from? Where did the material that was used in creating the equipment used for distributing the product come from? Where did the land that plays host for the product distribution come from? Where did the internet come from?I must know how we managed to make all of that from nothing. This is easily world changing.
>>736968437>>736968667>>736968959>>736969223>>736969309>>736969384>>736970273Same group of people who think that foreign lolcowlizers are ruining their anime/manga/games but you shouldn't use this as an excuse to support piracy
>>736970426Yeah ok cool then the Japs can also fuck off whining about muh piracy.
>>736970450Certainly not Japan dumbass.
>>736970450you write too much.men who make most money produce nothing.landlords, CEOs, make nothing, get more money than all employees combined.this is a parasite society, morals don't exist.I am against parasite society, suck my dick bitch
>>736964913Because 99% of the pirates are apologetic rationalizers who can't just admit that they're poorfags without morals. They always pretend that they're taking some heroic stand against evil publishers.Pirating is just gibsmedat nog behavior, and most pirates can't stand to think of themselves like that. So instead, they imagine they're Robin Hood. Hence "buckbroken."
>>736970464>but you shouldn't use this as an excuse to support piracyThen sell the manga or anime in my country and i will buy it instead.
>Barbarian filth wants everything to be destroyedNothing new
Until Japanese creatives and normalfags collectively stop turning a blind eye (let alone actively approving of in some cases) localizers and tie-in adaptations constantly bastardizing their source material, they can absolutely kiss my ass with their crocodile tears about MUH ARTISTRY or MUH RULES or MUH INTEGRITY.
>>736970568Maybe they would sell if 90% of your country stopped correlating fiction with reality and calling them criminal pedo incels for drawing random scribbles.
Japanese are corpo slaves nothing to do with altruism. This guy is just saying random shit to defend his retarded nintendo fanboyism
>>736970470Why? They probably won't stop until they believe the problem is solved. They recently killed a bunch of most popular manga welfare sites so it's not like they are just whining about it.
>>736964309Copyright laws are a sign of a kiked society
>>736970541>No proofConcession accepted. Stay poor.
>>736970426>It's theirs and they can pull the plug if they feel like itIf they could, they would. But they can't, and data will continue to flow freely, preserved for the future of humanity.
>>736968067Yes I do.
>>736970678Because Japanese law stops at the Japanese border and I am not Japanese. Deal with it Shinji.
>>736970543Seems like you got little flustered lil guy. :/ I paid 70 dollars for shit game... if only I could have known...
>>736964309Japs are cucked beyond belief, it seems.I bet they have corporate bootlicking contests there.
>>736970686So what you are saying is we are entitled to your worldly possessions and life.
>>736967520Room temp IQ take. The only moral cover anyone needs for piracy is the Statute of Anne. If you only want to play games you don't have to make any effort to reproduce the original component silkscreens, installer media, or whatever other autismo shit preservation groups get up to. To say nothing of guys who work on emulators for 25+ years after every commercial game worth playing was already playable.
>>736970748Mangadex wasn't owned by a Japanese citizen and wasn't hosted in Japan. And it's been raped by Big Lawyer Cock anyway. Deal with it Miguel.
>>736970630It's really about muh noble NIP-on IP not being stolen by filthy gaijin. As long as NOBLE NIP-on CORPORATE JEW says that localizers uphold MUH VISION, it's all good in the noodle shop.Basically, none of these slants actually have any morals beyond their in-group preference. A noble trait, one I can't fault them for, but one that leads to them being inherently dishonest on all fronts.Nip the nips. I will steal more Japanese products!
If preservation is so great why haven't you uploaded everything you've ever created such as drawings and writings online for everyone to enjoy?
>biggest corpo bootlickers>biggest gachaslop consoomers>biggest tendie apologistsAnyone else starting to get jap*n fatigue?
Just vote with your wallet and this isn’t a problem
>>736970790>lifeWhat's you and the retarded extremities? Can't make up a decent argument?
>>736970816Then they should tell the Japanese to fuck off. They have no more right to dictate law to you than fucking Putin or Xi.
>>736970686They are when you can have tech companies scrape everything freely for their AI and suddenly IP laws don't apply to them
>>736970839Because they can't create. All they can do is consoom.>>736970849Voting with your wallet only has meaning if you're actually capable and willing to pay.
>>736964760show me where i can legally purchase a guaranteed working copy of battle for middle earth 1 and 2, and I will. without hesitation.until then, yeah, i'm going to conflate preservation and piracy because oftentimes they are lumped together. and by people who simultaneously think the product is too valuable to give away but too niche to make any money off of.
>>736965462If people like the knockoff more than the original then it’s clearly doing something better and all the original creator can do is seethe that they didn’t think about implementing that difference first.Take Zuma and Puzz Loop for example. The only difference between them is the aesthetic, I would rather play the knockoff Zuma than the original Puzz Loop any day because of how it presents itself. It’s just the better product and deserves to be remembered more in a darwinian sense.It’s a truth that small capitalistic egos cannot comprehend or are too afraid to admit.
>>736970846They make it up with their women and hentai being top notch.
>>736970859Well can we? Or are you going to concede?
>>736970884I think when their property is the point of contention then they have plenty of 'right', why not.
>>736965201we accrued plenty of capital and it was all dismissed as incels angry at women.in fact, it feels like the oxymoron nonsense term to demonize virginity was popularized in response to those 'incels' actually having a case against the corrupt vidya and games journalism industries>how dare they vote us worst company in america twice and accuse our journalist pets of being sex pests giving favors for blowjobs
>>736966427This is already the case, anon.Shameless copies and bootlegs already exist in fucking droves
>>736970905>only matters if you have moneyUh. Yeah. What the fuck kind of “argument” is this?
>>736964309>century aheadjapan still uses floppy disks and fax machines
>>736970746No, you don't. You are nobody and your opinion is not only wrong but also worthless.
>>736970824>FUCK YOU FOR PUTTING A STORY IN MY MARIO GAME KOIZUMI, YOU DISRESPECTED ZELDA AND NOW MARIO SO I'M GOING TO USE MY CLOUT TO GET YOU "PROMOTED" TO A SUIT ROLE THAT TAKES YOU OUT OF GAME DEVELOPMENT REEEEEEEEEEEE>oh wow the guys who make those garbage junk food Minions movies want to adapt my biggest IP and have my most iconic characters voiced by Chris Pratt and Seth Rogen without even attempting to put on voices to fit them? so sugoooooiThey have no real code of in-group preference, they only pretend to depending on when it's convenient. They're just as fickle as westerners.
>>736965263>The whole point of copyright was supposed to be to advance the arts and sciences by giving creators exclusivity for a short periodon paper.it was always for the already powerful to prevent the common man from making and selling a superior product.
>>736970990Their jurisdiction stops in Japan. Japanese law does not apply anywhere else just like the laws in my country do not extend to Japan.
Jesus christ
>>736971027Also they still listen to their music on CD's and hate music streaming sites.
>>736971029Who are you?
>>736964309Japanese people will understand once they too risk being arrested for owning half of the books they bought in the last decade. They just don't have the issues that westerners are trying to solve here.
>>736968864ZA-UM's whole shebang with Disco Elysium was Theft of Intellectual property. This super ain't.
>>736971067a visage of a broken man
>>736971058I am not a lawyer but I don't believe it's so simple. It's demonstrably not, really. This is how you *wish* it worked.
>People should own the things they make/buy>Unless they're a game dev or corporationI don't understand this logic. Why SHOULDN'T the people who made all of the assets and spent all of the money to make a product be able to make money off of the thing they made and assert their natural ownership rights?
>>736968959Bugman descendants. Being a corporate bootlicker can't be helped when you're 90% termite by weight.
Who's more cucked, japs or gooks?
>>736964760>Pretending you care about game preservation is a sign of a buckbroken pirate trying to get moral high groundAssumes position a poor person would consider t.Person that has spent $1000 to buy himself a rare undumped beta he wanted, then immediately dumped/released it damaging it's (((resale value)))
>>736971196That is what jurisdiction means. It is the territory over which your legal authority extends.
>>736964309Didn't the West invent the concept of copyright?
>>736964309It's easy for them to say this when the Japanese market for retro games is much cheaper than the western one (even though prices have been rising over there). I wonder if that attitude will hold as they slowly get priced out of their own old games/hardware by foreign collectors.
Why do japs have a tendency to use rape as an analogy?
>>736969309>he says this when japs release a metric fuckton of doujin without permissionyou just hate japan don't you
>>736971294IP laws appear to be more complex than that. As you can see.
>>736971113An artist respects the silence that serves as the foundation of creativity. Who the fuck are you??
>>736971219When they're done making money off of it and have plans to pull it from the market, they should make it available for preservation so its continued existence is not dependent on a profit minded corporation maintaining a copy of the source code in perpetuity. This is not a controversial idea.
>>736969767If course I'm not entitled to it, anon. I merely steal the fruit of other's labor because I have the ability to do so.
>>736971219How do they not own the game if they just make peer 2 peer connections possible for the online only game they are going to shut down so people who spent money on it can keep playing?
>>736965462Failed artist misery porn fantasy. You're a brilliant creator who never involves outsiders in their genius multi-year process and also has never heard of archive.org? This is impossible in modern times. Copyright is 99% placebo for small creators.
>>736971350They are not. Unless there is some specific treaty between countries to recognise foreign claims they simply do not apply.
>>736971358I'm the guy that decides what should and should not be preserved.
>>736970859Because they are kikes
>>736971398The precedent shows they do.
>>736964309>muh game preservationyou're just a retarded pirate hoarding games you'll never play nor share.
>>736971435Scaring people with lawyers will sometimes get people to do what you want but that doesn't make what they are doing actually illegal.
>>736964309There were two reasons I stopped giving a fuck about what the copyright infringers wanted. The first was one of those kerfluffles back in the last decade when every youtuber had to make videos explaining what fair use was and how they should be allowed to do whatever they wanted with copyrighted materials and most of these niggers were giving their speeches about fair use over video of some game they were playing. The second was when people started simulcasting these pro fair use streamers streams and they were all like, hell no, and got twitch to nuke them. Fair use exists but this last generation has seen respect for copyright in the west in the complete gutter and the only reason is "the streamer I like should get to do what he wants." This jap guy is right.
>>736971219Owning and being able to make money are not the same thing.Owning something means having the right to exclude others from it. It's necessary to avoid conflicts."intellectual" things are not scarce. Once such a thing has been created, it can be replicated infinitely without any necessity to exclude anyone from it. If you try to exclude someone from a piece of intellectual content, you have to exclude that person from their brains or computers to the same extent.Thus, there is no justification for intellectual property rights, and also a solid argument for why such laws are wrong.It's much more accurate to say that installing a video game onto your computer in a legal system with IP means that the game developer is stealing a part of your hard drive and CPU cycles, as you are no longer legally allowed to use those as you see fit.
>that 4+TB torrent of touhou doujin music circle ripsI wonder how much seethe it causes. Maybe since it affects doujin circles and not corpos Takeshi doesn't care
>>736971484I guess someone will send them to prison for this illegal activity. Any moment now
>>736970926if you didn't bought it when it came out, you never actually cared about it.
>>736971464No, that's what Japanese anti-preservation groups do. They pool money to buy Japanese prototypes and unreleased games whenever they crop up, specifically to keep them out of non-Japanese hands and make sure their contents rot in their decaying chips/discs instead of ever being preserved and backed up.
>>736971568Indeed, copying a file is not a crime and you will not go to prison for it.
>>736971067My hope: the translation wasn't working right.My fear: he really meant it.
>>736965125>and you can't fight back, you don't have the money to sue.Why do people keep saying this? Tort lawyers don't charge by the hour, they get paid with a 1/3 cut of your lawsuit winnings.
>>736971067and opinion discarded
>>736971631Then go get mad at mangadex owner for cucking while he dindu nuffin :) last reply I have to go
>>736971697This dude is getting endlessly BTFO by nippgawds in his comments
>>736970450>Where does the electricity come fromOn average, Burnt, compressed trees that are burnt to boil water>Where did the materials that make up the distribution network for electricity come from?The ground>Where does the money come from? From metal and trees>What created the product?A greater ape pushing buttons>Where did the tools that helped in creating the product come from? Liquid dinosaur parts and metal>Where did the people who made the product attain the knowledge required to create it? Words>Where did the equipment made for hosting and distributing the product come from?The Ground>Where did the material that was used in creating the equipment used for distributing the product come from? Also the ground>Where did the land that plays host for the product distribution come from?God>Where did the internet come from?A guy stealing it and giving it to mankind like a modern-day Prometheus
>>736971725Or I'll just go and download games for free when I feel like it then maybe buy them later if I like it enough.
>>736971681Not everyone wants to be fighting a lawsuit for years and years. Shits slow as fuck and can really get in the way of your life.
>>736971503>Fair use exists but this last generation has seen respect for copyright in the west in the complete gutterAbsolutely when you take AI into consideration
>>736971574ok, pirate.
>>736971792Then enjoy being stomped by anyone who threatens muh lolsuit.
>>736971503Honestly pretty accurate at least in terms of Youtubers and Twitch streamers. They just want to be able to illegally stream movies and cry fair use and a lot of this really muddied the waters
>>736971839Avast ye scurvy dog. Hoist the colours and set sail three sheets to the wind, west by north west.
>>736966663Who do so many people reply to these not farm threads? You realize you are arguing with a llm shill that thinks it's talking to impressionable 14 year olds but in actuality it's just an actually indians ouroboros!?
>>736964847>was never even near it and the argument relied 100% on American pop culture memes
>I download a 30 year old game that isn't for sale anymore>Thats stealing>AI scrapes all the internet of all the art, music and games that ever exist to train itself>this is fine
>>736971219Consider the original argument for property rights.>you convert useless fallow land into crops>you own land because you made it create valueIf you let the land go fallow again for 20 years, do you still deserve to own it? Do you deserve exclusive ownership of a project you haven't worked on in 20 years?
>>736969696It's because we pirated them that they are all rich now you stupid fucking retard. Do you know which console I bought the most games for? The same one with the famous villainess R4. Do you know what Nintendo of America did back when I showed it to them in person? Nothing. I have bought more games for the og DS by a huge factor. Japanese corporations owe their fans everything and yet this is not how they treat them. They say if the tree doest bear fruit soon enough it's literally stealing. FUCK GAMINDISTRIYOU GOT THE CREDIT CARD CUNTS YOU DESERVED YOU SHAREWHORES!!!
>>736964309I support preservation as a principle but have honestly never cared about playing decades old Nintendo games or some god forsaken EoS gacha. I feel like this is a problem for only 0.1% of people. Who even cares about playing an old mobile game that was so bad they took it offline for good.Weebs need to develop some fucking standards.
>>736965125The general public should unironically chaotically unionize to jury nullify any non-violent law the government never should have had power to create. I'd rather live in ancapistan as long as we can go full 2077 on corporations that violate the NAP.
People do know what the original game was, right?It was a now defunct F2P mobile game that's being pieced together through the game files and probably packet capturing before the game went downIf the team is not making money from the endeavor (which would have grounds for actual legal trouble), I'm unsure why any one party is angry about thisNo one's work is being defiled and nothing is being stolenCrazy how other similar projects (ie. Dragonica Lost, Mobius Final Fantasy) haven't got this amount of attention
>>736971359>>736972143You're missing the other side ownership and that's the right to have something and do nothing with it. You're brokering that retarded "why should you have vacation houses when people are homeless" argument
>>736971067Is he wrong? Why would you expect a publisher to treat you as anything but a customer? They don't owe you anything beyond the product that you paid for, and if you don't like the product, there are a million other things you can do with your life.
>>736964309>Japan, a country where you have to ask for a permission to stream a game>superior copyright and ethicslollmao even
>>736972323This is the society ancapistans actually want, retard. Only ones saying otherwise are the losers and poors >>736972395They genuinely shouldnt. They got those homes by printing money and killing people who complain about it who get popular enough
>>736972395Objects are not the same as information, and aren't treated the same in law. So trying to equate media to a vacation home is beyond retarded. On top of which, you don't even own property, you lease it from the government under a 99 year contract.
>>736972390The Japanese seem to actually believe it is some major insult to the creators. Someone broke it down and the disconnect comes from how the Japanese do not see their companies as evil and exploitative outside of a few examples none of which are in the gaming industry. Rather than "I don't give a shit if you pirate I got paid for it years ago" it's seen as "I made this years ago and set the terms of your consumption of it which is now past and your use of it is a personal slight towards me"
>>736965969>It's the mentality of someone loyal even against their own interests, a slave.They're not slaves, they're NPCs. At least slaves recognize they're in a bad position.
>>736972390It's not about the money, it's about ownership and IP rights. You can't say "I CARE about it more than you" and think that justifies taking someone else's work and co-opting it
>>736970968>their women>top notchthe 1% you see in social media infested with makeup and edits are not their entire country, shocking I know.
Steam sales really have spoiled you retards. It basically turned you into eternal cheap asses who constantly pinch pennies and want to freeload off of everything.
>>736972467Neofeudal corporatism is not the inevitable end result of capitalism and refusal to believe in any other possibility than such is commie and/or jewish behavior.
>>736965481Actually, their suicide rates have dramatically dropped in the last decade. It's now lower than countries like the US and South Korea.
>>736972504>It's totally legal for me to enforce illegal laws with violence and impoverish you in debt thoughKys Jew. Copyright is 28 years. If there's works that deserve complete eradication it's every Disney employees work and everything by Mark Twain. The damage these two abortions have done to culture and freedom of expression is literally uncalculatable
>>736966235Population decline is a real problem with heavy cultural impacts, specially in rural areas. Entire businesses die because young people go chase better opportunities in the city and there isn't anyone to take over the job.
Copyright laws are a scourge.
>>736972395No such right exists in old testament capitalism.
>>736964309It's funny seeing japanners talk about being ahead of the curve, while they consistently echo boomer tier arguments like "don't be mean to the corporation, cuz what if someone did that to you!!!!" and it's like, anyone that isn't a complete retard is aware that it's a completely different situation, but they wanna huff farts off what they think is being principled.
>>736972579it is until you eliminate the stable psychopath and malignant narcissistproblems w/ human systems come from humans and a good 2% of this species breaks in a way that cannot be easily controlled, if at all
>>736972579>Neofeudal corporatism is not the inevitable end result of capitalismWhat's it like to be brain-damaged? Does it hurt?
>>736972504If it is such a big deal to Square Enix that a group of individuals are trying to preserve something previously free but is now inaccessible due to someone deciding it wasn't making them enough money and to pull the plug on the game, then they'll take action and send a C&D to the development team of the projectIt is unlikely to happen though UNLESS profit is being made off of development/redeployment of the game, as has been the case with most emulation projects like this
>>736972557>efficient pricing is le bad>also why will nobody hire me to make art
>>736970543>Uhm.... you are consuming abandonware that isn't officially endorsed by Nintendo®. That's immoral!
>>736966235>You don't need a birthrate above replacementJapan need it, right now there's a discord between older generation and new generation because of social security issue
>>736972390>Crazy how other similar projects (ie. Dragonica Lost, Mobius Final Fantasy) haven't got this amount of attentionWell you know, shit just hits the algorithm or just happens to make it across or it's something they particularly care about and it just goes. It's not like the situation is any different, but the random dice rolls for them to see it up until this point weren't hitting. But yeah in general they're super fucking weird about modifying or repurposing existing content. Like they go absolutely fucking ham about the Right of Integrity, which includes things like protecting against changes to one's work that might harm the reputation of the author, so something like a private server that's ran for free is a no-no because it implicitly says the publisher didn't care enough to run it out of pocket like the fans.
>>736972415>Why would you expect a publisher to treat you as anything but a customer?Because thats how it should work and how it did work before jews fucked it up. Profits should be secondary to improving people's lives as a whole.
>>736973125Literally completely dismantle the stock market. End it. Force the shareholders into slave labor. This is not a redistribution of wealth, just kill the fake money debt gambling and forced enshittification of halway decent products. Set some sort of standard for maximum amount more money a ceo is allowed to earn than an employee. Excess profits either raise wages for everyone or are reinvested into making things better. The work week should be 15 hours long and pay enough to raise a nuclear family of 10+ individuals with two well made homes and plenty of vacation time.
>>736973468This reeks of poorfag energy.Maybe you should focus on not having 60% of your income wasted on expenses and learn to save and build personal wealth.
>>736973125The fact that this didn't receive massive backlash until it was undone is sad. This is why modern corpos can replace workers with H1Bs for a fraction of the price and suppress wages and employment
>>736973530boomer or third worlder?call it
>>736973468We all wish the same man but it will likely not happen within our lifetime.Just balkanize into small communities and let the empire rot to the ground. Then build it up properly again in a couple of centuries and keep it jew-proof this time.Sucks, I so wish we could just torch and twist arms into fixing it now, but that takes a level of violence none of the good people have access to.
>>736973468>Set some sort of standard for maximum amount more money a ceo is allowed to earn than an employee.Starting to think this should be done. Maybe cap it to three times whatever they pay their least paid employee.
>>736973125What the fuck does that have to do with anything? If companies paid their employees well, would you stop pirating their games? No, of course not.
>>736971108Sounds like they got the right idea.
>>736972415>Is he wrong?If he's just a customer there's no need for him to defend the publisher.
>>736973727>What the fuck does that have to do with anything?Learn to read>If companies paid their employees well, would you stop pirating their games?Yes you retard. Games are toys. If you are an overly qualified pariah slave you need to put money towards important things like food and shelter. If you are payed well you don't mind putting some crumbs of the generous surplus into hobbies.
>>736972557Tendies really fucking hate sales lmfao
>>736972467>They genuinely shouldnt. They got those homes by printing money and killing people who complain about it who get popular enoughWhy do you think anyone wants to hear what the people you hate are like? Did you form your opinions on congressional Democrats by listening to Rush Limbaugh?
>>736973468Caring too much about profit genuinely should get you treason charges desu
I only pirate digital only games. Im not paying for air, nigga.
Imagine playing and support a gacha only for it to die and piratefags dig up the corpse allowing them to play and get everything in it for freenips are the most cucked race
>>736973925I don't care what color sportsball jerseys your congress rapeyids wear kike,
>>736973670People telling you not to set your money on fire isn't a boomer or third worlder its common sense
>>736974265>your moneyIf its my money why does the bank need to know my reasons for taking it out of the account? Why do they get to limit the amount?
>>736974265You are retarded. People can barely fucking afford apartments in the ghetto on an average wage. You need dual-income multiple jobs to afford a basic house that was shittily made by immigrants and you can't save as much as the truly rich can because you are spending all your money on not living in the ghetto. Only for things to constantly get more expensive while your wage stagnates.The only way to "be smart with your money" is to have a job that pays $200k a year or more, which doesn't even cover coding jobs at this point, and assuming you have one of those elite 6 figure jobs, it means you likely went into extreme debt paying for college because colleges were allowed to raise their prices to get fuckloads of government guaranteed money from loans. The ruling class truly want you to rent and share everything you could have once owned and to do it in an extremely low trust society. Theres one solution.
>>736974132And I don't care how you describe the people you hate because I'm not dumb enough to assign any value to that.
>>736964309Yes. I think media preservation should be a moral obligation for all media. Even if something sucks, it deserves to be preserved for historical purposes and in case someone ends up enjoying it in future.In this sense, piracy is the most ethical way to costume media.
>>736974265The economy is on a downward slope, with every generation that passes fewer and fewer people are able to win and actually make something of themselves, progressively more effort is required just to survive despite the amazing advances in efficiency that modern technology provides. All the while, a smaller and smaller group of people live in unimaginable, unsurpassed and unnecessary luxury.Your response to this state of affairs is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps! ;)", that makes you either a boomer who won't live to see the consequences, or a brown person without the mental capacity to make abstractions about the future.The economy is broken, law is broken, society is broken, it requires repair, if not by us then someone future. There is no reason we shouldn't be exploring solutions.
>>736974516I wonder what kind of hell you live in that requires $200k for expenses.
>>736974885NTA, but the boomers are more correct than people give them credit for. They too went through recessions in the 70s and had to deal with several wars. They’re technologically illiterate and unable to understand the exact nuances of the current situation, but the general principle of “focus on yourself, save up and mind your own business” still holds.
>>736975082No it doesn't, simply because boomers are unable to understand the effects of inflation. They were living in the twilight. This shit isn't cyclical, it's only going down.
>>736974885NTA, but the boomers are more correct than people give them credit for. They too went through recessions in the 70s and had to deal with several wars (Korea, Vietnam). They’re technologically illiterate and unable to understand the exact nuances of the current situation, but the general principle of “focus on yourself, save up and mind your own business” still holds.
>>736974885The economy is doing fine.(You) are not doing fine.I however am doing fine. I make far less than what the other anon is talking about, i have savings, and im not spending as soon as i get money. I have more money than my friends who make twice or three times as much as me and i have zero debt.
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>>736965752But I do care when books go out of print and I also care when miniatures go out of production. I expend considerable effort, time, and money to secure old books that I love and old miniatures that I want to collect. I care, anon. Why don't you?
>>736974516Something that I've found interesting is how boomers could by multiple houses with almost any old job, and they've also benefited from the explosive growth of the stock market and real estate marketMillennials can't do that, you can't be a housemaid and buy 3 houses in this era like they could. What millennials can do now that gen alpha might not be able to do is buy shit like overpriced consoles, legos and pokemon cards and now kids are priced out of buying the kind of shit millennials could buy as kids.
>>736975265>fuck you I got mine
>>736975268>Boomers are technically getting fucked by inflation harder than 30 year oldsUh ohThat means the only difference is the start point
>>736965048Maybe because historical revision is a well documented crime that most governments try to do, to effectively control the past and the future? Thats why they demonize the past to push for an orwellian future.>LIFE WAS NEVER GOOD YOU CHUD>EVERYONE WAS ALWAYS MISERABLE>NOW EAT THE BUGS
>>736975268>2015>pre covid psyop>pre iran tard warWhew, can't imagine the wall that comes after>>736975265Nigger. I live comfortably too. I'm the only heir for my family, I neet freely with no stress.It's obvious the economy is not fine, in fact it's so bad and twisted that you genuinely would need a complete reset to fix it.Maybe just bait, maybe just troll. But there are genuine retards here so I rather reply.
>>736975378You're missing the problem, wages don't keep up with inflation. Most people don't get raises every year, and of those that do, it usually doesn't match that years inflation. Your liquid savings likewise need to increase by greater than the year's inflation or you are losing money. So the reality is that most people are taking pay cuts year after year. It's a pyramid scheme.
>>736972646What's your problem with Mark Twain?
>>736964309It only gets worse lmao
>>736975285The problem is that the vidya industry is genuinely bad when it comes to preservation. One of the many reasons we’re getting so many remakes nowadays is because a lot of classic games are very poorly preserved. On top of that, if it wasn’t for emulators and piracy, there’d be a lot more niche/obscure games which would have become lost media by now. It’s the same problem that film was going through in the 1920s, where film studios just didn’t give a fuck about preservation and it lead to a lot of early silent films being lost.Video games need their equivalent of The Criterion Collection or Penguin Classics to make sure that historically significant games remain preserved and easily accessible in their best quality for future generations.
>>736975265>The economy is doing fine.lol underages, when will they learn?
>>736964309copyright should expire after 35 years with no possibility of renewing it. greedy kikes will screech at this moderate and reasonable takemake new media if you want to maintain profit
>Me when i've been beating the market with just conservative 1% weekly trades
>>736975560>look up OP's media tab>anime/manga/TV show screenshotsWhy is it always japs that do this are the one seething about copyright infringement/piracy the most?
>>736975560Uhhh hello, based department?
>>736975626Nah if i create something i and my family are entitled to the fruits of my labor for life.
>>736975560People with no moral backbone will do literally anything an authority says.Truly bugman.
>>736975767You are entitled to what the market decides to give youAnything else is just daddy state giving you privileges, which is what intellectual "property" and patents amount to really.Fuck the state
>>736975378Boomers have assets that increase in 'value' with inflationThey have real estate, equity, intellectual property and other assets that aren't devalued along with currencies, in fact those assets can even print money for them (rent, dividends, licensing, etc.). They only get fucked if they're sitting exclusively in cash, which a lot of them are not.
Dilemma: i want to play the original snes chrono trigger. Problem: it is extremely rare and costs about 1000 dollars by greedy hoarderaSolution: why not just pirate it? Youll be like "Noooo what about square enix? Youre cutting into their heckin profit!"If it bothers them that much, ill just buy the port of the game on steam. There, now they get paid. Feel the same way about the mega man legacy collections. Want the originals for romhacks and the lack of drm, so i will buy the collections and then help myself to the originals.The only people hurt are asshole hoarders.
>>736975682They are hypocrite pieces of shit, that's why
>>736975767You don't create anything. You merge pre-existing ideas, and you do so because you had your needs taken care of enough that you could lollygag with your memories and pop something out.You accomplished nothing on your own, you were part of a society that enable you to bare said fruit, and letting the seeds return to the Earth so they may be harvested again by the group that aided you is the natural and moral thing to do.
>>736969508It's not "fanart" if it's for profit. That's a bootleg.
>>736975890You're not entitled to shit that you didn't create, faggot.
White and Black people are the same race, the only difference being their skin color, right? They both like to steal, complain, and cause trouble in public.
>>736976027No one is entitled to anything. (you) are not entitled to dictate how I use my internet or solid state drive.>y-you are le stealing!False. You can not steal ideas, you cannot steal data. No finite resource was physically stolen. You can argue that it's mean or immoral to do, you can argue that people eho do it should be looked down upon, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal.
You'll never be able to create anything. You'll never own anything. You'll never have money.All you can do is seethe and cry at people who can.Crabs in a bucket.
>>736976087*downloads your pokemon games for free*thanks lee
>>736970686To be honest I'm fine with copyright for like 20 or 30 years after publishing as an absolute maximum, not 80 years after the authors death. Which is ridiculous considering there's thousands of movies alone coming out every year and none of the shit that's coming out nowadays will be relevant in 10 years anyway, it's not the 1920s anymore where you had 10 movies a year or some shit like that.
>>736976243>Downloads pokemon games for free>Proceed to cry and shit all over yourself because the games don't begin with you getting a game over screen that takes you to the title screenPokefag continuing to lose
>>736976315It is 2026 where there's only 10 video games a year thoughbeit
>>736976315I think it’s that long to account for the author’s lifespan. IMO, the ideal solution would be for it to go public domain after the author’s death.
>>736964309>>736975560>Nips are docile and bow to authority and societal standards without a second thoughtAnd water is wet.
>>736976647lol just asking for niggas to be murderedMake it a decade or two and leave it at that.
>>736976481ah yesinb4 >noooo that's with all the garbage included"It is 2026 where AAA is garbage too">>736976647Sure, why not. Although I have to say that patents also only last for 20 years, i.e. if you can't make money with your idea over the span of 20 years maybe get a different job.
>>736964309I find the "muh japanese values, disgusting waitto piggu gaijin" attitude very much funny, since the idea of copyright law in japan was first enforced by post WWII american occupation and only then became a social norm, the same way it happened with genital censorship.
>>736976481Luckily for me i don't buy western trash.
>>736976864I think people forget that preservation extends to bad games too. People don’t talk about it enough, but it’s just as important to preserve bad media as it is to preserve good media. Not only because there’s plenty examples of bad media that were still historically significant in some way, but also because bad media is valuable as an example of what NOT to do.
>>736967520But i do try to act morally. Stop condemning everyone for the actions of the few. Piracy and copyright infringement serve a purpose even if you buy all of your games. Tell me, is it morally wrong to enjoy a romhack of super mario 64, even if you own the game legally? Nintendo will say that its wrong, and you could land in jail if you are in japan. But is it morally wrong?
>>736964760I own over 1000 GOG games.Conversely, you own zero games. You have been buck broken by big businesses like Ubisoft and you're flaunting it like the prison bitch you are.
>>736965752>>books go out of print>>nobody cares>>movies aren't currently released>>nobody caresWhat ?You know that piracy for those are massive right ?That how you save something, do you know internet archive ?Peoples care about saving books and movies
>>736975926And then there's this "if it's evil then it's okay to kill it" mindset
>>736973468a big problem is employees and CEOs being paid in options and bonuses tied to stock performance, so they have all the reasons in the world to manipulate stock numbers to cash outfurthermore, golden parachutes ensure execs suffer no long-term ill effects for destroying a company
Reminder that Billy Shakes was a shameless plagiarist, copying from history, ancient poets and his contemporaries alike.
japanese people are not cool there's a reason why their country is so fucked up
Since when did /v/ become so against piracy?
>>736978221People don't want their money to go to waste apparently.
>>736965545give me a second i'm going to buy that dragon ball from saturn and a saturn now..oh wait!
>>736978221Shills, mostly. The famitsu threads are where they fester, like cockroaches.
>>736978318>PeopleGoycattle aren't people. Shills are even less so.
>>736978221Nu/v/tards are insane. The only board that shits itself over this ""issue"" btw
>>736978332Why are those threads even allowed? It's a literal off topic circlejerk general, less on topic than steam chart threads.
>>736978221I hate poorfags
>>736978221zoomers, unironically
>>736978463It drives engagement. Thats why. Same reason why they were allowed years ago, when the snoys spammed their anal vore wojaks.
>>736966984We have so many gaps in our knowledge of history because people didn't bother writing down or preserving shit that was considered banal or worthless
>>736972609>SKI meanThat's not a good one to include, they're the only wealthy nation to place in the top 10 as far as I recall for suicides. Modt countries are better than SK for suicides unless you live in Tibet or something.Iirc it was because of a combo of pressure on youth to succeed (and bullying) combined with the elderly quietly going out to avoid being a burden.
>>736979219If it wasn't worth writing about then it isn't worth losing sleep over it, who fucking cares.
>>736964309>japs>lecturing anyone about anythingnigger you have literal volountary work camps, with salarymen working 16hrs a day and ruining their lives, just so be able to lick their boss' boots, you deepthroat corpos dick on the regular, and you dare lecture ME?
>>736964309I think it's right to preserve games but also to comply with rules that do not personally harm you in societies you are a guest in. Therefore you should only rip your copy of whatever lost media old game you bought in Japan after leaving the country. While there, it would be rude to upload it. I don't think it's morally wrong by itself, but it's never good to stir up trouble in a place where people already perceive you as different or a risk.
I side with the corporate slave nips on this simply because niggas trying to justify their piracy and have a moral high ground is retarded. I pirate shit too, who cares. Just talk about the thing you're pirating instead of the fact that you're pirating it.
>>736975473>Im a neet and a leech living in my mom's basement, let me tell you why the economy is badKarl Marx would love to hear your thoughts.
>>736964309I think in Japan the position is mostly understandable in how it was rooted.It led to a lot more people pursuing creative works and being protective of them. It's also part of why their society is so low in crime. I also believe that because of the piracy stats from nyaa and PD, it's just something you cannot say you support if you do, but many do it anyway. There was a phrase in JP describing this.At the same time, it is important to preserve games. There's nothing more to say on it, it's media history and even their big corporations have benefitted from taking ROMs online and using them because they did not preserve it themselves back then.Sometimes, it doesn't matter if someone likes or dislikes what you do. It just has to be done. You don't need mass approval, nor does it need to be publicized. And in the event of mass disapproval, it does not necessarily mean you actually did anything wrong.Sometimes you just need to close your browser and understand that rage fades, but a preserved work remains. That's what matters. And ultimately, the decision remains up to you. The internet may be more polluted and tracked than ever, but catboxing a link to an .ru site upload is unlikely to get you in trouble.Just remember that none of the complaints matter, and that they should only exist after the fact.
>>736979880>noooo your family can't just be a cohesive collective that prioritizes it's own health! You should all be individuals and alone and move out and be distant and atomized and most importantly pay me rent
>>736964309can you not preserve them without piracy or whatevereveryone knows that's just your excuse to download free games>>736971027And the US can't figure out if someone is a citizen or just a resident when it comes time to voteWhat's your point
>>736969969nobody is talking about online games and you know thisyou've shifted the goal off planet
>>736979354I CAREI CARE what my ancestors cooked and ate in this same spot 1500 years ago
>>736980259>>736979835I will continue to defend piracy a because it is just a tool, and it can be used for good or bad. Stop thinking in black or white.
>>736967930Unless you own a NAS and you have backed up several terabyte of old ROMs and obscure games, you don't actually care about preservationLike you are saying, you only like the idea of it because it lets you cope that you are pirating for a good cause and worst of all, you are smug about it, like every piratefag
>>736965048White people are obsessed with preservation except the preservation of white people lol
>>736978221Because they can't shut the fuck upPost about any game here or something involving spending money and some retard will show up going >"um, I pirate by the way" because they can't help themselvesIf they were so aloof and above spending money and doing the right thing, they wouldn't need to constantly seek validation from each other
>>736980552Thats just a reaction to you damn shills who dont shut up about how your favorite corporation is making money. If it isnt snoys gloating about how its a good thinf that sony raised the price of psn AGAIN, or tendies gloating that nintendo shut down and sued a rom site, or killed a fangame. You are all abhorrent.
>>736964309Japanese politeness is based on submission and avoiding conflict, not a genuine desire to do the right thingThey are literally the "leave the billion dollar corporation alone" type of people while getting assfucked by black companies at the same timeTheir biggest saving grace is that they're ruled by out of touch boomers instead of satanic jewish pedophiles and their slave caste of evangelical conservatives and ambiguous brown and black hordes.
>>736966005Japan never progressed past post WWII society, they're still living with laws and a mentality of making the country get off the post war crisis.Plus, never forget how they might be the most servile and subservient race to ever existed in the world, there's something about asians that makes them submit to higher forces en masse.
>>736980667>brown and black hordesIs the racism really necessary?
>>736980627>it's a reactionYou don't seriously believe that, do you?Piratefags have literally always been like thisI guess if you were born yesterday, you might see it that way
>>736980823>Um, what the sigma?? that's not very Wholesome Chungus of you>I will notify the moderationShut up, retard
>>736980823>muh racismIs the faggotry really necessary?
>>736966515Asians are unironically highly autistic, they have obsessive deviations constantly for everything, a normal human being would see corpo made a change they don't like and proceed to stop playing the game, but asians feel entitled to the game being made for their exact liking and they can't imagine the idea of playing something else or not spending thousands of dollars in stupid shit related to some IP.It's like they saw a character they liked, made a headcanon about it and now they need to feel their headcanon validated or something, plus having their whole house plastered with merchandising about said character.
Japs don't understand because they can just walk into a Super Potato and buy whatever game they want from the past 40 years
>>736980585why the fuck would you not roast meat and eat it raw insteadthis idea is so beyond retarded for so many reasonswho the fuck would risk disease and parasites when you can simply hold meat over a fire for a few minutesputting things into a pot was also invented long before the stovewhat the fuck are you watching on the internet that makes you believe something like this, what is wrong with you
>>736980865Shills have been far worse, for a longer time.
>>736980447>several terabyte of old ROMs and obscure gamesEverything through to 7th gen is like 1.2 terabytes
>>736980823Of all the things I said why are you only upset at that?
>>736977157>White people ruin yet another thing
>>736965048If we can't even preserve our fucking vidya, how are we supposed to conquer the solar system and the entire universe without blowing our planet up first due to constant infighting?
>>736964309I would respect piratebrowns more if they just admit they want free games than pretend it has anything to do with (((game preservation))).
>>736964309Anime and manga and Japanese culture only got popular because of all the pirates and free translators.
>>736980823Racism outside of /b/ is an automatic concession and it also lowers the quality of posts and the thread
>>736966984>How many of the thousands of shitty flash games where you dress up little dolls do we need to preserve? How many RPG Maker games made by kids as a joke should be preserved?They're a time capsule. They should absolutely be preserved.
The Japanese would justify slavery because it was once legal
Lots of seething over Japan ITTThey must be doing something right
I am preserving games 2 weeks before its release and spoiling the ending for everybody that pays for it! I am a good person!
>>736981271And after getting popular it became worse, because they stopped producing it for their own market exclusivelyWhat's your point?
>>736981128The entire PS2 redump set is like 20TB alone
>>736981427This but unironically. Only a shitty snoy movie would be ruined by somethinf silly like a story spoiler.
>>736981254I don't want them though. I don't download them and I spend my free time with video games I bought. I don't have time for the zillions of games that are on piracy platforms, nor the patience for setting most of them up. I do however want them to remain accessible and recorded in the same way books are at a library (including books I have no interest in), rather than lost to time forever.
>>736981271>implying letting tourists shit up anime and manga is a good thingkys tourist
>>736965442I've yet to see a proper answer to this. They just evade every time lmao. Extra points if they go "reee I hope they sue you!".
>>736971342If any company said "don't do that" they would stop right away. Which is hilarious because doujinshi is copyright infringement and but they don't see it that way because "the companies have not protested". But with this retarded squeenix gacha you never saw them protest, and still japs went full hall monitor mode about it.>without permissionOh man, retarded journos like Kotaku or Vice could do the funniest thing right now. Like saying "Game Freak endorses drawn CSAM of their characters, every year at the Comic Market, also known as Comiket! Japanese people say this is okay because Game Freak / Nintendo allows them to sell these fanworks, therefore they endorse this!" or some bullshit.
>>736964309did it start because of mobius final fantasy fan project?
>>736982457>the word "CSAM" gets invented specifically to clarify to retards that law enforcement is only interested in cases involving actual children, not loli "CP">retards go on to misusing the word "CSAM" anywaysCan't make this shit up
I bet that the same "people" seething about Nips hating piratetroons are the same "people" screeching about AI stealing jobs from artists.
>>736964309Yes.Its legal in Russia and should be everywhere with retro games. Some licence games will never be rereleased today.
Social media is perfomative in JapanJapanese are the main responsible for preservation culturesince the dawn of the internet, a shiton of weeb music, doujins and old VHS are online thanks to them, and they still do, they just dont talk about itYou guys are arguing against the kind of people that plays vidya because its popularFUCKING SLOW CAPTCHA AAAAAAAAAA
>>736964309>anime profile picRules for thee but not for me
>>736965752I miss that Chicken Piccata frozen dinner from the 90s. if I get a genie wish i'll bring those back (at 90's prices)
>>736982916Nah, i support ai since copyright troons hate it. Their precious corpos love using ai and committing infringement, so the shills have to now justify it.
>>736968959Amerikkkan vassal state. They deserve to be raped by the Chinese.
>>736964309>or maybe japan is half a century ahead of the world.>t, sent from my fax machine and my wife isn't allowed to leave the house during business hours.
I would love to know what's so altruistic about suing people for a percentage of their income for the rest of their lives.
>>736965082They were from 1986 to 1991.Then their economy shit the bed.
>>736965752There's people who's entire career is to track down old books and painting for museums and libraries, and also old movies specially at a local/state/regional level, because its historyfolk taleslanguagesrecipesartifactsmusicold instrumentsWE fucking dig up fossils for fucks sakeGaming might be one of the most archived and tracked because its recent and that's not a bad thing, its basically near 100%Japanese also do this, Kanjis only used in some towns, slangs, books, etc, they are just moral signaling to get hired like they would simp for onlyfans
>>736983332Fuck I almost had doubles.
>>736964309Players wouldn't need to worry about preserving games themselves if companies kept up with it and you felt you could "trust" in them not to abandon all games and try to replace them with bad either remakes or remasters.So yes, when the only way for you to legally play a 20yo game on modern hardware is to either play an ugly remaster or an artistically bankrupt remake, if you can play it all all in the case of GaaS, it's the players' right to keep the medium alive.
>>736982971They have a phrase describing it that I can't recall but basically it means show concern publicly and do it like mad in private.But yeah there's shitloads of old recorded JP TV online, Japan literally made some of the most prolific p2p underground filesharing software and communities in the entire fucking world, even though a lot of it was to share super illegal stuff that'd make Limewire look squeaky clean.When EH went down there was a ton of panic in JP spaces online. When nyaa came back the traffic from Japan topped everyone else. They're just too good at hiding it and as a result people think their whole society is against it, when in reality if you go public with it, the police will arrest you for fucking mods, not even just piracy. No, I will not post a link to my favorite software archive on social media if it means that's evidence in court when a company decides they want to make an example of someone.
>>736978221Piracy is for faggots and they're on the same level as vegans with their inability to refrain from spamming about their garbage topic. Plus, all you retards willfully install malware on your systems and advertise sub-kernel level malware all over the site.You also have the gall to cry about games being made to cater to everyone but you, while lacking the IQ to realize it's because those groups being catered to actually pay for things.
This is like the breakfast question for nips>how would you feel if it was legal>Ha--? It's not legal...>but how would you feel if it was?>But it's not...And c'mon, fanart is copyright infringement but they love it. There's no way Nintendo explicitly allows selling loli guro rape doujins of their shit.
>>736983490They remastered AC3? Fucking why? No one liked that game
>>736964309Since we're posting xitters, I thought this was a good rebuttal.
>>736983273>Amerikkkanywnbaw
>>736966005>>736966069japanese ceos have been willing to take massive pay cuts to save their company and workersjapanese society actually saw how their major corporations DID have a trickle down effect on their peoplewith japan also being smaller and more centralized its more likely for people to at least know other people who have worked for major companies at some point and seen them use that wealth to support their families or just spend it on a lot of drinks and food at a restaurantunlike america in which a person in the 40 something flyover states has no knowledge of how yuppie mcgee is using that money in any way thats not trying to disrupt their way of life or other nightmarish uses of greed
I wonder why (((game preservers))) have absolutely no interest in "preserving" dogshit like shovelware, shitty mobile games, AI sloppa games, or just shitty games in general.
>>736983609They have explicit freedom of art and expression laws, maybe as good as the US without Religious karens fucking them up,they do not have fair use hoewever, as well as laws that make parents responsible for their children, hence they shot down age verification laws, problem is the modern copyright started really good, artists/creators need to get paid by law even if its 2 cents for each keychain sold of their character. that's good no matter how you see it, and the reason why the FMA mangaka becase the richest woman in Japan for liek a week.Corpos like Nintendo, and Sony MUSIC (the music industry is fucking evil there) managed to abuse it and expand it to where it is now, mods being illegal actually started a entire conversation since its well know the current big shot devs and CEOs like Iwata, actually got there by messing with stuff like calculators, old software they would modify, etc etc in order to create a industry, and now old farts pulled that rug>>736983903>japanese ceos have been willing to take massive pay cuts to save their company and workersLOL NO, the likes of Iwata are rare and a dying breed, since they were not controlled by investors as much
>>736965048True, lets erase black history actually
>>736983920>why don't people who save art also save chinese takeout menus and used toilet paper?
ANTHONYY…. SMASH!!!!!!!!!
>>736983920They do, every garbage CD and floppy they come across ends up on archive.org like its the arc of the covenant I personally made sure a bunch of old shitty windows mobile games I had were archived once I didn't see them on there
>corporate cocksuckingIt's always amazing when people work against their own best interest to protect something that would gladly throw them under the bus at the first opportunity>I know putting my balls in the meat grinder is bad but the meat grinding business isn't doing well so here we go
>>736964760>game is not available>people make it available again>this is a huge fucking problem, please think of the corpos that shut the game down in the first placeWhat's wrong with you bootlickers?
>>736983969wait, do doujin circles have to give a share to the IP holders?
>>736983920They do actually, rom sets are filled with junk like licensed games, yearly sports shovelware and revisions of games in every region. Why? Because all of them deserve to be preserved even if they are mostly redundant or bad.
>>736984101>>736984110>screw over the corporate>they screw over us in response>reeee why are they screwing us over???Brainlets unable to 2nd order of effect everyone
>>736971950This isn't the own you thought it was
>>736966008>It's interesting given how pro-corporate the US generally is anyway but there's some decent pockets of freedom when it comes to your software at leastYou're welcome.
>>736984179wtf are you talking about? Corpos are constantly screwing us over, that's their whole purpose. They could have released on offline version and sold it, but they didn't even care enough for that. Nothing was taken from them and they aren't denied any profits as well since the project is free. For them, nothing has changed at all.
>>736984295>this is what commies actually believe
>>736983920First, you are a fucking retardand then>shovelwareThe entire retro games archives include every single shitty game and shovelware, people actually hunted down everything on the Wii, do I want that? no, is it bad its there? no>shitty mobile gamesbecause they are server sided, the entire current conversation started because someone is trying to revive a mobile game, people have no idea of the amount of retarded decisions Square Enix did in the last 10 years, Nier was specially salty because it was an actually good gacha game, and they still killed it, not even retarded decisions that led to a dwindling fanbase they just went and shot it downIf someone revives the once beloved Brave Exvious its going to be super popular to play just for the story and without the gacha/grinding for example>AI sloppa gamesThey do, the ones that are sold at doujin circles at least, the rest are still new and available in steam or GOG, how it will play out in the future dunno>shitty games in generalalmost every doujin game is achived in some form, even school projects/small circle find a way into some asian server
>>736965462>buy patent to live saving drug>jack up the price 10000%>this is ok to anon for some reason>>736965545SE does not have a good track record of actually preserving things internally.
>>736984360Strong rebuttal. Just like “call them a fascist, that’ll fix it” resulted in more people deciding fascism wasn’t worthy of derision, this strategy will have the same effect I think.
>>736984157no, they just can't advertise or use the brands direct name, etcUp to this day the Emboar doujin part 2 gettig cancelled was an anomaly of Nintendo getting salty it got popular and one of the early social media showing how retards cant keep stuff private/underwater as it's supposed to be by westerners
>>736984439>SE does not have a good track record of actually preserving things internally.this, they fucking LOST the Kingdom hearts assets,models and music at some point iirc
>>736984439>some fag jacks up the price 10000%>smart people notice he's overcharging and decides to develop something to undercut him>said smart people profit while the fag gets screwed over and has to lower his own price to competewoah
>>736964760100% this>>736964913>we get everythingNo you don't faggotfrog.
>>736983331He deserved it.
>>736985195Let me just make a quick lab and logistics setup for synthesizing the drug that is so niche and with such a small market that the evil bastard could price hike like that to begin with. Just a quick few million in order for me to make not much back.
>>736978221I'm not. I'm against massive fucking faggots, ie "pirates". Piracy is fine.
>>736985195Its called a patent, a government issued monopoly.
>>736978221Piratefags are the furfags of video games. You know they exist because they won't shut the fuck up about how "superior" they are.
>>736985552Patents don't prevent you from developing your own solution to the same problem, retardbro. Also that's proof that government contributes to the problem.
>>736985552Factually not a monopoly. Nothing is stopping you from making a video game.
>>736985750>Nothing is stopping you from making a video game.VISA
>>736985912Don't use VISA then bro?
>>736964760Piracy is inherently a moral good regardless of preservation
>>736986658Please make a game so I can pirate it
