Why don't people buy games from the Epic Games Store? Don't they know Epic's 12% cut is more pro-developer than Steam's 30%?
>>736967180Brand loyalty
>>736967180I think this is really funny because the idea of 'the platform that provides a better service gets more users' is so foreign to people in the games industry that epic has a melt down over it.Unlike games, you can't just make a shit storefront and people will use it because of brand recognition.
>>736967180Epic Games Store is the most gayass cringe branding.I ain't puttin' that shit on my PC, that's like grandma's malware tier aesthetics.I still can't fucking believe they used 'EPIC' unironically in their brand.
>>736967180are these people stupid? yeah duh we know we just came for the free games lmao
>>736967180Steams client is good, easy to use and steam gives users many other perks, Epic Game Store has not given people any reason to actually use it, maybe if they actually invested their billion of fortnite and unreal engine profits into improving it then people would start using it
>>736967180It's not really my responsibility to make sure developers get the maximum cut from their games.
>>736967180buy an ad
>>736967180idc all my games are on steamalso tired of big corpo trying to rule over everything and Valve's still autistic enough to not feel like one of them, despite their fat profits
>>736967180I quite sincerely don’t care about developers. They are dancing monkeys that I might throw peanuts to when their act amuses me, and one monkey is interchangeable with another.What I do care about is someone rug pulling the consumer once the competition is dealt with, especially when their projection about monopolies makes it blatantly obvious what they’re planning.
>>736967180Timmy said Devs would cut game prices with the lower take, never happened
>>7369671801. I don't give a shit about developers saving money unless they pass that savings directly to me.2. Epic store prices are not any lower than Steam prices, in other words the savings are NOT passed to me. You may blame Valve for this (they have a questionably legal clause in their TOS that basically forbids competing with them in price), however no matter why it's happening, it's happening and that's what matters.3. No point 3.
>>736967180Tim and Epic were all.in.on.the PC is Dead movement so I wouldn't support them even if they had better features and cheaper prices.
>>736967326Brand loyalty my ass.If I had all my library from Steam on Epic, I would still play and buy games on Steam. Epic is just a shitty platform. No reviews or update log/news page for games is one of many big reasons why it sucks.
>>736967656>(they have a questionably legal clause in their TOS that basically forbids competing with them in price)nice try tim
>>736967180>pro-developerPro-publisher.
>I gave people free samples while offering a comparatively worse consumer experience >now I'm just known as the free samples guy>how could this have happened
>>736967180>Don't they know Epic's 12% cut is more pro-developer than Steam's 30%?If I cared about that, I would be buying Vladimir's stolen keys.
>>736967471>>736967996Reminds me of the time back when Unity was first becoming a proper game engine and they had that policy in which if you didn't pay for their licensing, you were forced to have their splash screen in your game and that ended up making the Unity brand be associated with shitty, cheap horror games for a good while.
>2019>Constant doomposting that Steam would die because the Fortnite kids would use EGS instead>2026>Fortnite is dying and Steam is stronger than everKarma is a bitch.
>>736967180if I could port my games then maybe I would move, but there's just now way im constantly switching between these launchers
>>736968275>if I could port my games then maybe I would moveWhy the fuck would you do that when epic is worse in every way it's possible to be worse and then some?
>>736967180its almost like creating a leech culture was a mistake
>>736967180Bought Aragami 1 and 2 plus DLC for like $12 or something (deal) and donated $3 for perservation on GoG... I felt more confidence in spending $15 on GoG than getting a game for free from EpicGames...
>>736967180>Don't they know Epic's 12% cut is more pro-developer than Steam's 30%?why would I give a fuck?split the saving with me, selling me a game that 60$ on steam for 55$ and perhaps I will be interested then
valve is actively improving the pc gaming ecosystem and epic is blatantly in it just for the money and jealously seething at steamvalve made linux viable and has the most pro consumer platform in gamingepic made the biggest blight in gaming, unreal enjeet
>>736967180>launcher runs slow like shit>no invisible modethe second point is more important to me than the first. i game to disconnect from the world, not have everyone message me while I'm doing it in the hopes that epic gets another sale (the real reason it hasn't been implemented yet)
>>736967180Because the same game isn't 18% cheaper on epic than it is on steam so if I'm not getting any benefit there is no reason for me to change what I've been doing.
>>736967180>pro-developerThis has always been Timmy's grift: Developers don't get shit. Publishers do.
>>736968354lollmao even
>>736967180I regularly forget to boot it since my games library in it is fairly small and I don't want to play any of the games I own thereThe game I'm interested in isn't availableSteam got a sale for a price I considered reasonable (not necessarily the best discount) before Tim didAlso I hate browsing the Epic shop.
>>736967180Literal SpywareAs for the majority, it's just a worse storefront with less features for the average user.
>>736968367>most pro consumer platform in gamingThat would be GOG.Valve is fundamentally anti-consumer because at the end of the day Steam is a form of DRM and DRM is inherently anti-consumer.
>>736968803steam drm is a stub that enables its functionality in games which enables all the features gog doesn't haveyou can easily remove itinstallers really aren't a relevant feature for the consumer
>>736967180Why would I, the customer, give two flying fucks about the weirdos in these development studios getting more money?They overtly have said they hate me and want to destroy my hobby. If anything more people should use steam to make them seethe.
>>736967180Timmy paid for my games, thanks Timmy! Still not boughtering anything on the store thoughever.
>>736967415>'the platform that provides a better service gets more users' is so foreign to people in the games industryit isn't, which is why no one uses chinkpicthat said, gog is the best one of the bunch (nothing tops DRM-free)
I'm just there to get free games.And I don't even play those free games.
>>736969231>gog is the best one of the bunch (nothing tops DRM-free)GOG is considerably more likely to shut down due to CDPR shitting the bed, than steam.And if you want to pull the 'but I have the installers!' argument, so what? Any dickhead who googles 'X game installer free punjab no virus' can get it too thanks to torrents.
>>736969231GOG is good, but a lot of its releases are gimped. Due to the ease of piracy, they'll just remove multiplayer.
>>736969379>GOG is considerably more likely to shut down due to CDPR shitting the bedwait what?
>>736969379CDPR sold GOG a couple months ago.
>>736967180the goyim love paying more to monopolist jew gaben against their interest
>>736967180There's no reason to buy games on PC because of piracy
>>736969534how is it against my interest?no one else has done as much for me with the linux support
>>736967656>they have a questionably legal clause in their TOS that basically forbids competing with them in priceI still have never seen anyone post actual proof of this. They have a clause that says you can't undercut Steam when selling Steam keys, but that doesn't apply to selling the game somewhere else altogether.
>>736967180i'm at the point where i buy a game on steam only to later find out i already had it on epic, because i just don't use epic for anythingi also specifically pirate games that do time-gated releases on epic and not on steam. those devs deserve to lose their jobs, earnings and dreams over that
>>736967180Not true even the free games I mostly didn't play.I got Harry potter for free still didn't install it.The fact that the epic installer has access to your bios is not ok
>>736967180I bought THPS 1+2 for $8 and never played it mostly because I forgot about the EGS
>>736967180Giving even a single cent to Tim Sweeney would be a disaster, morally speaking.
Then why don't the games cost 18% less?
>>736969443not sure what that sperg means. CDPR is no longer affiliated with GOG
>>736967180because pc gamers don't actually buy games.
>>736971556forced price parity by steamif steam sees that a game on their store is on another digital storefront for cheaper theyll take it down on steam under pretense of "wanting to have fair prices for their customers" when in reality it just means devs have to jack up prices on all other stores if they also want their game to be on steamits an anti consumer, anti competitive practice but nobody really cares because the sensible alternative is piracy anyways
>>736971918???
>>736967180I don't want a second library. I will have one, but I will never buy to add to it. Free games only. If I'm buying, it's on the storefront my main library resides on. That's Steam.
>>736971907Why do they have to jack up the prices at all? Why can't they just offer it on Epic alone for a lower cost?
>>736971991>>736971907so just use steam, got it.
>>736967489it's bloated with decades of useless bullshit it just has the most people and most games while the devs on Epic just pocket all the money with no additional discount over their Steam price
>>736968890>installers really aren't a relevant feature for the consumeryes they are what are you on about,being able to play your game offline is pro consumer
>>736972319And despite that bloat, the client runs well. Epic’s client runs like garbage despite having nothing.
I already got 900 games on Steam, I'm not opening another launcher for 3 Epic-exclusive games
>>736971991bait or retard that can't read? I can't tell but either answer will do.
>>736972524read what do elaborate
>>736967180Epic is barebones in customization in terms of Steam.
>>736967656>(they have a questionably legal clause in their TOS that basically forbids competing with them in price),This is a lie that for some reason people keep parroting.Half of my purchases for new gamea are from stores like GMG, Fanatical, Indiegala or Humble due to being $10-$15 cheaper than Steam proper.
>>736967656>2. Epic store prices are not any lower than Steam prices, in other words the savings are NOT passed to me.Correct.
>>736972626Read how what you said is only applicable to keys used to activate the game on steam and not other storefronts in generalhttps://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys#3
>>736967326I've spent more money on battle net and origin than on egs desuI trust EA and blizzard more than I trust epic, I'm using trust very loosely here
>>736967180Poaching games early on basically soured people on Epic and it became this pervasive opinion.
>>736967415Tim seethes over the idea that better service = more users because his entire business plan is the exact opposite. He wants to appeal to publishers exclusively over customers, in the hope that if he corners the market and secures exclusive rights then customers will be forced to buy from him.He's gone on record to say this several times.
>>736972719true I rarely buy steam games from steam anymore because games are almost always cheaper elsewhere, especially close to launch where other sites have games for like 10-20% off
>>736967180>Worse client>Less consumer friendly>Epic throws money around on forced exclusivity bullshitWhy should I?
People don't prefer Steam due to being "the better service". People prefer Steam due to already having all of their games there. As simple as that.
>>736972719>Half of my purchases for new gamea are from stores like GMG, Fanatical, Indiegala or Humble due to being $10-$15 cheaper than Steam proper.Yes, on temporary discounts or regional currency differences. Entire point is your BASE price for a game coming with a Steam key cannot be cheaper than it's being sold for on Steam itself.
>>736967656>Square Enix gets truckloads of money from Epic to sell their games exclusively on their storefront>games are priced well above RRP, higher than any other title>aren't even available on Steam so the made up price-match clause wouldn't even apply if it existed in the first placeNice try Tim.
>>736968047how do they steal keys. idgi. I think I have stolen keys on my account that I regret buying but can’t these platforms counteract these things? I really don’t understand how it works. someone explain
>>736972870that event revealed what an untrustworthy company epic is
>>736972719You can still have sales at different times than steam but steam will need a similar sale within the next X months.I think there's also a loophole where those sites won't take the cut they normally do which allows them to put games on a lower or way earlier sale. This all still only applies to steam keys though.
>>736972813i was talking about thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4UpE0iBSIY
>>736973192>>736973349So? Doesn't change the fact that I'm making half of my purchases outside Steam, with it having to handle the DRM service without getting money from them. If that clause were as draconian as you paint it, those discounts wouldn't exist at all.
>>736969231I like GOG, but Galaxy is trash and cant compete with Steam in any meaningful way.When I saw they had epic integration I was curious enough to download Galaxy, but all it does is try and open the epic launcher which i refuse to download.
>>736973163the latter is why nobody has even given EGS a chance. the former would be true if they did actually try using EGS.
>>736973379I'm not watching your 15 minute video. Post sources instead.
>>736973379That isnt a link to Steam's ToS.
>>736967415>>736967456>>736967489>>736967726Steam has malware, Epic does not have malware. You are supporting the wrong company. Steam is also under lawsuits from many other businesses.Valve is the bad guy.
>>736967180How about those retards make it pro consumer. Shittier service but same prices.
>>736967180They offer nothing to the consumer.
>>736973251Stolen keys was never a thing at the scale some of these faggots keep parroting; Steam lets you generate keys for your game and they don't take a cut if you sell those keys outside of Steam's own platform - that's where the price difference comes from when you buy from 3rd party sites.
>>736973303>>736973163Ya let’s not forget Valve Corporation “promised” to scan games and protect users from malware. Both companies are bad.
>>736973563epic isn't relevant enough to have people buying games from it so no one cares to attempt malware injections through it>Valve is the bad guy.valve is promoting open sourcetimmy is actively sucking off microsoft and bribed publishers into exclusivityyou're just a contrarian
>>736973379This stops making sense the moment you look at the prices of games that were exclusive to stores other than steam or never came to steamstuff like Blizzard's games, EA's games before they came back to steam (Battlefield, Anthem, etc.), Ubisoft games, the prices were as high as games on steam
>>736973563see>>736968720
>>736973709Are you talking about that crypto scam some jewtuber pulled a while ago?
>>736973762Because the LIE sold to people was "if a smaller cut was taken, this would somehow translate into lower prices for customers". This is the one thing no one can blame Timmy for. His 12% cut just meant publishers took more money on per-copy sold basis.
How much money has Tim pissed away poaching exclusivity, giving away free games, and employing an Indian Defense Force instead of investing in making his engine and storefront appealing to consumers?Tick tock you balding idiot. That fortnite and tencent money wont last forever.
>>736973721Proton doesn’t work without proprietary liberty files, Github own messages says to “not use it without Steam”.SteamOS is not Open Source, it’s a modified proprietary Linux. No one can fix bugs that Valve refuses to address.You are not allowed to use Valve’s Source engine without permission. It’s not open source.You are wrong anon. Valve never once had a real open source project. Everything is proprietary.
I buy Gunpla. I just enjoy assembling them from the kit and placing them on my computer table.All of those articles satanizing Gabe Newell for buying a yacht make me feel like journalist made articles about me like this:>ANON WASTES HIS SALARY BUYING PLASTIC GARBAGE>ANON WASTES HIS TIME ASSEMBLING PLASTIC GARBAGE THAT SHOULD BE ASSEMBLED BY THE MANUFACTURER IN THE FIRST PLACE>GUNDAM ROBOTS ARE UNREALISTIC Which in a way is true but still feel like malicious slander: you're condemning people... for spending money on things they like?
>>736973620Right? If they are steam keys generated by steam, how tf are they “stolen”. If anything, weren’t they generated on behalf of the publisher and sold to ivan so they could make money. It feels more like a grey market sale than anything else. It’s just the shady backrooms of capitalism, behind the walls of Wal-Mart, if you will.
>>736974070>Proton doesn’t work without proprietary liberty filesit's libraries you illiterate, and those are libaries from windowsthey're free to download and anyone can use them>Github own messages says to “not use it without Steam”.and yet it works perfectly without it and many distros have their own variants of proton>SteamOS is not Open Source, it’s a modified proprietary Linux.it's not, you fucking moron, it's a custom arch that just ships with tighter steam big picture integrationnothing about it is unique or exclusivevalve is responsible for gaming on linux being viablecope
>>736974252>how tf are they “stolen”.Bought with stolen credit card info, retard
>>736973017And we are seeing the same with the Unreal Engine. Terrible for customers, awesome for corporations.
>>736974252>how tf are they “stolen”.You steal someone's credit card and then buy steam keys which you resell. If the original CC owner finds out and charges back you still have the money from selling the key to someone else.
>>736974070>proprietary liberty files>modified proprietary Linuxso stupid it hurts
>>736974223A yacht is a boat that offers nothing to the passengers and owners. You don’t steer like old sailors of yesteryear. You don’t maintain the yacht. You don’t use it for commercial fishing or cargo. A yacht is worthless piece of plastic to the ocean.
>>736974070I may be retarded but I run all my pirated games on linux via Protontricks.
How can you shit on something that, proprietary or not, is actually working to make gaming viable on Linux and therefore giving people the alternative of not using Windows?
>>736974408A yacht is an apartment or house you can drive around on the water.
>>736973880he spent over a billion on exclusivity and I'm pretty sure all those free game deals total to hundreds of millions especially when you consider he's given away GTA5 and other big AAA games
>>736974529By not being a tranny.
>>736974294Lies. First off, all alternatives redirect to Steam files. All proton games are related to Windows proprietary software like Unity, Unreal, GameMaker, etc. There was no real “open source” when Proton is heavily involved with Steam games related to Windows products. Valve has never allowed users to install Proton without Steam related content.Second, SteamOS has no github or other repository code to allowed developers access to mod the SteamOS into our vision. You are incorrect to think it’s Open Source.
>>736974529trick question. you quite literally cannot without being an actual shill of some sort.
>>736967656>You may blame Valve for this (they have a questionably legal clause in their TOS that basically forbids competing with them in price)Tim Sweeney's hands wrote this post.
>>736974648>Valve has never allowed users to install Proton without Steam related content.wut? But I installed ProtonGE to play my GOG games on Linux before I even installed steam?
>>736974529>It doesn’t use Windows>As it uses Windows games>Without Windows games Proton becomes worthlessWhy are you playing WINDOWS GAMES then if you don’t like WINDOWS. Double standards man.
>>736974318>>736974342So they use a stolen card to buy a legitimate key and then sell it elsewhere. Am I getting that right? So really, it’s not the key that’s stolen, it’s the credit card.
>>736973251stealing keys to games is mostly done with stolen or fraudulent credit cards >valdimir steals working credit card info or opens a bogus account>buys a shit ton of games on the card to run it up to its credit limit>gets the game keys, sells them massively under retail price because he didnt buy them with his money he doesn’t have anyways>game key can often get sold and redeemed by another user before the credit transactions are deemed fradulent and the key is rescindedthats really all there is to it. Various credit companies have ways they deal with fraudulent transactions like charging the vendor for every fraud charge they have to deal with, which forces the vendor to ensure they’re not accepting blatantly fraudulent transactions or they bleed money.
>>736974648>Lies. First off, all alternatives redirect to Steam files.all those protons have their own fucking githubs you faggothttps://github.com/CachyOS/proton-cachyoshttps://github.com/gloriouseggroll/proton-ge-custom>All proton games are related to Windows proprietary software like Unity, Unreal, GameMaker, etc. There was no real “open source” when Proton is heavily involved with Steam games related to Windows products.stop coping nigger, valve has turned 90% of the proprietary shit that's needed to game on windows into open source>Second, SteamOS has no github or other repository code to allowed developers access to mod the SteamOS into our vision. You are incorrect to think it’s Open Source.https://github.com/randombk/steamos-teardownyou're a clueless seething nigger desperate to downplay what valve has done hereand reminder faggot, you're defending a corpo that has pulled linux support and is actively shilling microjeetget fucked
>>736974318>>736974342So they use a stolen card to buy a legitimate key and then sell it elsewhere. Am I getting that right? So really, it’s not the key that’s stolen, it’s the credit card. I am pretty certain there is an easy way to negate this from happening if that were really the case.
>>736974779The code forbids any person from using any other methods without first obtaining Steam necessary libraries. This is written in Proton. Valve written it themselves. All GitHub introductions start with Steam libraries being a requirement.
>>736974884yes but the key ends up being stolen when the CC company does a chargeback/gets reimbursed for the fraudulent transaction
I can't even see the games I have without installing the client, I know I got plenty of free games and I've installed some but it's games I'd have never bought anyway.
>>736974946if you give someone worthless or fraudulent money for a good or service then you have stolen the good or service, which is what happens when a credit company declares a charge as fraudulent.
>>736974802>WINDOWS GAMES>can be played without having windows installedno retard, they were made for windows because that's the dominant platformthey don't depend on you having the operating system installedyou have to be an utter fucking idiot to suggest all devs should spend billions on native linux versions for negligible gains
>>736973251apart from what other people said publishers can revoke stolen keysback when I bought keys from G2A I had one of the games revoked from my account and then it came back later, that spooked me so much that I stopped buying keys like that
The EGS client is absolute dogshit, I had an easier time using fucking GOG Galaxy than I did EGS.
>>736974923I genuinely thought the prices of keys gg.deals came from regional prices. Now you’re telling me that the keys were probably purchased through stolen credit cards?
>>736974928>>736975126>CachyOS: “Proton is a tool for use with the Steam client”>Proton-GE: “Running non-Steam games with GE-Proton outside of Steam is only supported using umu”The developers said it can not run without Steam. I said it can not tun without Steam. 3 people said you are wrong and you continue to lie about it.No SteamOS on github is not from Valve Corporation. Why did you attempt to lie.
>>736967180i hate tim and his engine
>>736975159Exactly my point, why could they not revoke the key. I seriously think it’s the manifestation of the backrooms of capitalism. Where do you think “cheap” products come from. A sweatshop. It’s the sweatshop of storefronts. It’s like if you got danish cookies for a fraction of the price, it probably came from india but that’s just business if your grocery store decides to sell it to you.
>>736967180>Don't they know Epic's 12% cut is more pro-developer than Steam's 30%?why should the customer care?
>>736975267>The developers said it can not run without Steam. I said it can not tun without Steam. 3 people said you are wrong and you continue to lie about it.have you even fucking tried it? are you just a seething nitpicking jeet without an argument that doesn't know what a disclaimer is?>No SteamOS on github is not from Valve Corporation. Why did you attempt to lie.you claimed it wasn't open source you dumb niggerit is, they just don't have a public repo for it and anyone can easily disassemble it
>>736967180timmy is a retarded nigger who thought that corporate bloat can be fixed with marketing
>>736973251>Steal credit card info from retards online>Use card to buy game keys>Resell them for cheaper than you 'paid' for them>You still profit because it wasn't your money>Lmao
>>736975448Trying has nothing to do with facts, Steam is required in order to use Proton. Valve Corporation has hardcoded to make Steam a mandatory service to use. Many developers had tried to alter Proton but failed. You are incorrect, you are wrong.Some guy github is not “official” source code. It’s not Valve’s official repository and it can contain unwanted content that you might not be aware.
>>736973243Funny how shit like this or the fact the exclusives (so not on Steam) rarely if ever lowered their prices.Like even if Steam has a rule forbidding selling games for lower on other storefronts it doesn't seem like an issue since 99.9% of companies don't lower the prices either way.
>>736967180>Don't they know Epic's 12% cut is more pro-developer than Steam's 30%?because they get an objectively worse experience
>>736975645>Steam is required in order to use Proton.Man, your bait is fucking weak and low effort
>>736975448I admire your tenacity, but why even bother trying to argue with a very obvious pooinloo that justs wants to meet his daily (you) quota so he can go back to drinking cow piss or whatever it is they do in their sparetime.
>>736975645>Trying has nothing to do with facts, Steam is required in order to use Proton. Valve Corporation has hardcoded to make Steam a mandatory service to use. Many developers had tried to alter Proton but failed. You are incorrect, you are wrong.it's objectively not, you're taking fucking disclaimers as gospelbecause you're an incompetent winjeet that doesn't actually use linux yet acts like an authority on itpost your fastfetch with a timestamp or go fuck yourself>Some guy github is not “official” source code. It’s not Valve’s official repository and it can contain unwanted content that you might not be aware.it doesn't have to be official you dumb niggersteamos is open source because of the fucking gpl licensekill yourself, you understand nothing
did *any* game ever actually benefit from EGS exclusivity?
>>736973017I feel like the emergence of Apple and Microsoft is what completely fucked business culture. Before them, it was understood that your customer was the individual using your product. You had to figure out how to get it in their hands, of course. That's what advertising and branding were for. You made money by selling products to people, paying your employees, keeping your facilities in order, or growing the business, and setting aside the rest as profit, to be divvied out to the shareholders on a regular basis.But Microsoft changed the rules, and suddenly entire ecosystems of business were your customers, and the individuals didn't matter so much. Once you're established, it doesn't matter if the individual user doesn't like your changes that much. As long as it doesn't disrupt the ecosystem you're supporting, you can do whatever generates more revenue or saves you money. Even if it pisses off the ecosystem just a little bit, it's fine. They're too invested in your product to just get up and leave. Go ahead and boil the frog. Just make sure it's slow enough that they don't notice it from moment to moment.Apple, on the other hand, did the opposite. Instead of building a product ecosystem that businesses can't afford to escape, they built a brand ecosystem that image conscious individuals couldn't afford to stay outside of. Are you really using Adobe Creative Suite on a Windows PC? It's so much easier to use on Mac! What are you, broke? Are you really using an Android phone? Those things take awful pictures and you get the shitty green bubbles when you're texting? What are you, broke?Both companies found ways to put a leash on demand that killed the presumption that the customer would behave at least roughly rationally. Microsoft did it by making the material cost of going elsewhere higher than simply tanking the decline.Apple did it by bluffing the value of what they sold so hard it became true.And now, every other business wants to do the same.
>>736969848>i also specifically pirate games that do time-gated releases on epic and not on steam. those devs deserve to lose their jobs, earnings and dreams over thatHitman 3 (but goy, you can buy again H2 that you already own on Epic with a discount if you do it right now, that's such a good deal!)... Such a shame that such a good trilogy of games has such utter fucking retards in the marketing department, the games are fantastic but every single decision taken about the way the games are released and sold is clinically retarded tier.
>>736975850some people would argue alan wake 2 did, since no one wanted to publish alan wake 2 except EGS
>>736975664Malware is the worst experience, losing credit card balance, account or straight up banned for “selling” is why Steam is actually the worst.
>>736975850Like 3 games managed to actually recoup the money for Epic instead of being a drain so they made out like bandits.There were probably a few garbage tier games that were on track to make nothing and Tim paying for trash like that benefited them since getting something was better then nothing in those cases.
>>736974408Gabe's yacht specifically was designed and has been used for scientific oceanic exploration. Even if it was entirely worthless outside of being a pure pleasure device, who the fuck cares how a many spends his own money outside of hurting others?
>>736975850Hades>free funding from EGS while in early access>go to steam and actually sell gangbustersTim must be absolutely seething from that.
>>736969848Hey could you pirate satisfactory for me? They were one of the few games that managed to get away with a bait and switch steam store page before switching to epic exclusivity on launch.
>>736967180>pro-developerWho cares?
>>736975645>Some guy github is not “official” source code. It’s not Valve’s official repository and it can contain unwanted content that you might not be aware.https://repo.steampowered.com/now kill yourself faggot, post fastfetch or stop talking about linux, you clearly don't fucking understand it you fucking bharatian blight upon this planet
I have a spare machine with a shitty FX6300 and my old 1060 3gb with Linux Mint installed. I should try installing Steam and messing around with Proton to see how well it goes.>>736975850The Hades developer pretty much gamed the system:>One year Epic Exclusive, releasing a very rough early access version that used the Epic exclusive money and said exclusivity year to finish and polish >Both the developers and customers treated the one year later Steam release as the true release. The Lords of the Fallen 2023 developers got its sequel completely funded by Epic in exchange for being a permanent (as, not timed but properly permanent) EGS exclusive. Given how LOTF2023 sold poorly on Steam and most of its sales came from consoles they pretty much sacrificed a small amount of sales for pretty much having their next big project funded for no cost. Probably there are more examples but those are the ones that came to my mind.
>>736975850I would say Alan Wake 2, but Remedy looks like it's going to get gutted now that it got a new CEO and funding has kind of dried up thanks to Chinese publishers retreating from funding western devs, so who knows how they'll end up in the long run.
>>736975769>>736975840>Maga trump supporters, get fact checked “Your stupid”>Steamies cult members, get fact checked “Your stupid”You people have problems
>>736975267Not supported is not the same as forbidden or disallowed. It means that if you do something else, they arent going to try and fix a compatbility issue. They arent giving support to that use case.
>>736976003Your own fault for using third-party sites.
>>736975253some do, other come from bundles
>>736976143>fact checkedpost your fastfetch or stop talking about linux, you clearly don't understand ityou're just fucking worthless midwit jeet scum
>>736973192>a Steam key cannot be cheaper than it's being sold for on Steam itselfThis is completely reasonable since you're still using steam to download and update the game, plus cloud saves and what not. It does not apply to selling the game (without a steam key) elsewhere for cheaper though.
>>736973563Seeing the types that make those lawsuits against Valve only makes me want to support Valve more
>>736967180I'd rather pay full price for a game on steam with no drm than I would get it free and play it on epic
>>736976003>Malware is the worst experienceExactly, which is why no one should use epic
>>736976307Steam is literally DRM unless you actually believe the lie about what happens when Steam shuts down.
>>736967180>People only came for free games then returned to steamNO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCKWhat is it with corpos taking half a decade to realize something everybody could tell right away?
>>736976010He has hurt others>Australia - No refunds and Valve Corporation appeal all the way to Australia Supreme Court and still lost because refunds are a law>Germans - Never tried to clear the “ownership” and Valve lied in court. German forces Valve to tell users they don’t own the games.>The EU - Valve breaks EU GEO laws, customers were scammed by high prices.>USA - Valve created a provision that prevent you from entering a class action lawsuit. This also includes actions that is directly harm you by Valve. A group of lawyers made Valve go into court many times, this lead to Valve having change their policy to allow class action lawsuits.>>736976075>SteamOS version 3 'holo', as used on the Steam Deck, is a separatecodebase based on Arch Linux packages and does not use this aptrepository.LOL, LAMO evenValve is the bad guy, stop defending his position because you believe he was doing something good. Your believing is not going to make the ocean or gaming better.
>>736976390>The Steam DRM wrapper is an important part of Steam platform because it verifies game ownership and ensures that Steamworks features work properly by launching Steam before launching the game.>The Steam DRM wrapper by itself is not an anti-piracy solution. The Steam DRM wrapper protects against extremely casual piracy (i.e. copying all game files to another computer) and has some obfuscation, but it is easily removed by a motivated attacker.it's literally just means to make steam features work and can be easily stripped awaycalling it drm is like being upset over having to peel off film off things you buy
>>736976390>when Steam shuts down.
>>736976203>>736976237>>736976272The FBI says it’s from Steam, why are you defending Valve for lying about “scanning” games to protect us. They never did anything they claim.
>>736976653post fastfetch or shut the fuck up, your opinion on linux is worthless without itsteamos is gpl, it's open source, quit coping
>>736974294>valve is responsible for gaming on linux being viableIt's funny how often people said this.Like any other company just paid money to stamp their name on someone else's work, and their fans acted like they did anything, the former would be crucified and the latter would be mocked relentlesslyBut Valve does it and it's suddenly fine to act like their simple bankrolling of existing efforts that were already making huge gains and they just jumped on the bangwagon of was actually just all their effort the entire time
Newflash, Timmy.I'm not a developer.Steam could take 90% and I wouldn't care.
>>736973563>pic does not have malwareEGS itself is malware
>>736967180gog lets me just download the game
>>736975448>it is, they just don't have a public repo for itThat's not how open source works
>>736976789>>736976721>>736976383Valve hired people from Wine and made the community the programmer. They did nothing to help Linux, they made Windows games more popular than native Linux. This is the opposite of “leaving windows” if you cultist depend on Windows games.
>>736975858>I feel like the emergence of Apple and Microsoft is what completely fucked business culture. Before them, it was understood that your customer was the individual using your productDodge v. Ford fucked the corporate landscape before Jobs or Gates parents were born
>>736976934wrong
>>736976924go tell the linux foundation that they should sue valve over thisthe terms of gpl code is that everything that includes it needs to be open source too>>736976934>>736976789>it doesn't countlolthey have people working on it constantly and bankrolled everythingthis is just valve derangement syndrome, you're digging deep for copes to never give valve any credit
>>736976934Trve.....Especially since Valve threw their hat in with DXVK and not GLOVE or Zink, so now there's actually games where it's better to use the Windows version instead of the native Linux port because they started development in the pre-Vulkan era
>>736976779>>736977036Cult members have nothing to say but the same old story and try to insult others for being correct. You people are no better than Apple’s customers who stay in their ecosystem.
>>736977023Neither Epic nor Valve are publicly traded companies Redditor. Your dumb takes about irrelevant case law are NOT welcome here. GO BACK.
>>736977086>Valve should get primary credit and be knelt to just because they provide some dev assistance and cash to an existing ongoing project that was already producing results anywaysThe irony of saying this in an EGS thread, lolTurns out Epic was actually solely responsible for the development of all those games they also bankrolled and offered assistance to, so they were in their rights to hoard all those games, lmaoThis is how fucking retarded you sound
>>736977154>It's a /co/fagEvery single time.
>>736977154but you're the cult member here, you repeat the same wrong shit over and over and cry when you're asked to prove that you know anythingsteamos has to be open source due to all the gpl code it's using and if it's not then the linux foundation can sueagain, prove you're using linux with a fastfetch or your retarded negging is complete mental illness
>>736977276epic is indeed responsible for completely ruining the reputation of those games and the publishers they affiliated with
>mfw after Fortnite dies off no one's gonna use Epig's launcher and Timmy will go back to making Unreal Tournament
>>736967180Their site is shit. Their launcher is shit. Their user interface is shit. Their prices are shit. They still have a fraction of the features Steam does years later. They're laying off employees en masse so their longevity is uncertain as Fortnite fades. I use them through Heroic for the free shit they gave away back when they gave away good games. There's no advantage to buying a game through them rather than through gog, Steam, or just pirating.
>>736975650>charge less fees to publishers>expect them to pass those savings onto the customer instead of just pocketing the differenceI know Tim never expected that to be the case in the first place because he was only ever trying to court publishers to give him exclusive sale rights which makes Epic the textbook example of a monopoly, ironically enough but anyone who ever thought this would equate to lower prices was a fucking moron.
>>736974648>"You're lying!">starts spouting his own lieswhat did he mean by this
>>736967180>third party developers earn much less revenue from listing on EGS compared to SteamDamn Timmy, I thought you wanted to be on the side of developers and businesses, but they make more money working with Steam for some reason.Maybe if you cut your share of their profits down some more, they might break even listing on your garbage fire software.
>>736977609tim is a massive hypocritegoogle paying OEMs to block competition = badepic paying devs/publishers to block competition = good
>>736977210Epic is owned primarily by companies which are publicly traded. They sell their stock to outside investors in significant volume.And, importantly, being privately owned doesn't preclude a company from pursuing infinite growth. Just look at Judith Faulkner and the other Epic, Epic Systems. They're privately held, but they run that company like psychopaths and everyone in the medical industry fucking hates them.Being privately owned doesn't guarantee a business will be run conscientiously, but it being publicly traded almost certainly guarantees that it won't.
>>736977406I'm hopeful he adds Epic exclusivity into the UE6 terms of service
>>736978083he would 100% get antitrust lawsuits up the ass from multiple devs and publishers for doing that
>lazily edit their store intended for buying unreal engine licenses so no shopping cart for literal years>can only bribe devs as well as consumers with free games>every dev puts their game up on steam a picosecond after the exclusivity deal dies and they make more money from it>userbase only wants free gamesWhen the revenue inevitably craters timmy tencent will be raging
I will never support a platform that brought the concept of timed exclusives to only one service as if this was a fucking console war to the PC market. Simple as. Get fucked, Timmy.
>>736973563>Steam is also under lawsuits from many other businessesname the businessessurely they're all pro-consumer and doing it for our benefit, right?
>>736978213>lazily edit their store intended for buying unreal engine licenses so no shopping cart for literal yearsWhich is insulting since the Unreal Marketplace which the launcher has had for years before the game store had a fucking shopping cart
>>736978224Yea, as soon as they announced they were going to be moneyhatting exclusives it pretty much cemented that I was never going to spend my money on their platform.They should have just gone the Tencent route and actually FUNDED the development of the games, at least then they could argue that they have a legitimate reason for the exclusivity since the games flat out wouldn't exist without their money.
>>736977276>>736977379At least Epic give money, unlike Valve who lied about VR funding and caused VR gamedevs to abandon their VR projects.https://www.reddit.com/r/ValveIndex/comments/cmjk3k/so_what_did_happen_to_valves_vr_game_funding/>>736977609>>736977909>>736978157>>736978224Did you cult members forget that Valve is under investigation by New York and currently in court for violating antitrust laws.Valve is the bad guy
>>736978578>Did you cult members forget that Valve is under investigation by New York and currently in court for violating antitrust laws.I don't give a shit. I use Steam. I use GoG. I buy keys off Greenmangaming and D2D. I use platforms that are convenient to me and give me the type of service I need. It's not about brand loyalty but convenience. Nothing about EGS is convenient. It's an objectively subpar platform that is annoying to use. So I don't use it.If Steam goes under in the future, I'll just move to the next most convenient and user friendly platform there is. Not a big deal.
>>736978578lol timmyjeet is desperately trying to find ways to misdirect
>>736973017He wants to engage in enshittification but is stymied because Steam is not enshittifying. In order to enshittify you have to provide a better service to customers so they're locked into your ecosystem when you move to selling them to your business partners. It's impossible for Epic to provide a better service than Steam so it isn't happening.90% of the complaints about Steam are corporate shills mad they aren't playing ball and enshittifying so all the other game companies can make money enshittifying.
>>736967180they don't have any features that make me want to staysteam is right there, just copy them, surely it isn't that hard, right?oh wait, they don't want to actually spend time and money on the apps they want to compete on the PC marketi yearn for an actual competitor, GOG isn't a competitor because they're gimmick is slowly going away in this day and age, all they really do is package patches with old games, the whole DRM free thing is on the developers/publishers and GOG is getting less and less DRM free games
>>736978336Yes, Corsair who helped Ironburg Inventions during Steam plagiarized game controllers stopped Valve and made them pay 4 million. Valve is also guilty of Price Gouging which is under Wolfire trial which is being investigated right now.Both companies Corsair and Wolfire helped small businesses that were unable to get lawyers for Valve criminal acts.
>>736978578>Valve is the bad guythey support linux while timmy is actively breaking compatibilityyou're a worthless nigger and your opinion is irrelevant
>boot up epic game store>fortnite>have you tried the new season of fortnite>new skins in fortnite>are you sure you want to see other content than fortnite?>try our other free shovleware games>close epic game store
>>736978681>If Steam goes under in the future, I'll just move to the next most convenient and user friendly platform there is.odds are it still won't be epic by that point lmao
>>736976086still wrapping my head around lords of the fallen 2023 existing at all
>>736973563go chew your controller tim
>>736978578i don’t give a fuck ive been supporting le bad guy for 16 years now and he hasn’t done me wrong
>>736967326timmy just makes a worse product
>>736978804You literally couldn’t get refunds without lawyers being there to stop Valve. You had rights stripped away, Valve’s class action lawsuits for violating your refund policy were bad. You lost games that can never be played again so a guy created “stop killing games”. Steam makes you login, to their client to download games while other services like itchio offer browser downloads.Steam is not the better alternative or the best solution for gaming. You are believing in something that has been repeatedly told and you believe it.
>>736978875>wolfirewolfire is a parasitetheir whole humble bundle relied on selling steam keys
>>736979059steam is a worse product than gogsince when quality has anything to do with sales?
>>736967180>developerare the games 18% cheaper?Why the fuck should I care that the publisher gets 18% more
>>736978901>>736977801>>736977310>No native Linux>SteamOS is locked and changes are not allowed>Steam Client is closed source>Valve does not fund any Linux projects and has not helped anyone unless it’s for profitThey aren’t helping Linux, they’re profiting. You only believe, your cult believes in something that’s not real.
>>736979117>you should treat steam based on how it was more than a decade agowere you beaten as a child? it's not normal to hold grudges for that long
>>736979292>No native LinuxFor what? Steam? Valve games? Both of those have native Linux versions.>SteamOS is locked and changes are not allowedValve did not invent immutable Linux distros.>Steam Client is closed sourceOkay?>Valve does not fund any Linux projects and has not helped anyone unless it’s for profitThey're funding WINE, Arch, and a bunch of other companies. Who gives a shit if its for their profit if everyone else benefits?Also no fastfetch screenshot so you're just a bad troll.
>>736979292>Valve does not fund any Linux projects and has not helped anyone unless it’s for profitProton.
>>736979292>No native Linuxwhat? you expect valve to hold all the fucking developers at a gunpoint to port games for nonexistent gain? how retarded are you?>SteamOS is locked and changes are not allowedyou can install fifty other distros and copy over everything that steamos provides, are you too stupid for linux?>Steam Client is closed sourceand that's a disqualifier because?>Valve does not fund any Linux projects and has not helped anyone unless it’s for profit>you're not allowed to use something if it's not 100% altruisticgreat logic faggothow about you apply it to your life?stop going to any supermarket, stop using electricity and water>They aren’t helping Linux, they’re profiting.yes, they're helping linux and without their involvement things would be much worsejust like what your EPIC JEET STORE is doing by actively BREAKING LINUX SUPPORTPOST FASTFETCH OR SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU DON'T GET TO HAVE AN OPINION ON LINUX, YOU WORTHLESS BROWNOID JEETCEL, CURSE VISHNU
>>736974223>>ANON WASTES HIS SALARY BUYING PLASTIC GARBAGEtruth
>>736974223>not 3D printing your own
>>736967180Are Epics games just as moddable?i know with gamepass, you arent allowed to mod anything. And im not sure youre allowed to mod pc games you own through microsoft. so are Epics game the same as Steam or locked down like Gamepass?
>>736979978You can mod them just fine, it just changes the directories. I have Subnautica for free from it and used qmodmanager just fine.
>>736980061>the tripnigger that defends console exclusivity is an egsjeetsurprising absolutely no one
>>736979054Same mentality of cult members killing people. They forced themselves to think it’s how things work. You fool yourself into thinking you were never harm but odds are that you have been scam by Valve.>>736979480>>736979525>>736979545>>736979620If you don’t understand Linux main goal “leaving Windows” then you’re a fake Linux user. You are helping Microsoft through Steam spyware that Valve sells to Microsoft. Your actions are being sold to Microsoft and making Windows a more solid product.All Linux are Open Source under a license. Steam is not a new Operating System, you only believe that because you were told to believe it. Truth is, SteamOS is a software that shows up first and has a exit button to the desktop. It’s not a real Operating System, it’s a software.Valve funded Wine 1 time but “funding” is not correct. They were hired. Github doesn’t lie about Valve’s employees involvement, the company only adds community changes. Valve or Wine do not do anything to create a better Proton.
>>736980120>He thinks I have paid one red cent for anything on EGS.EGS sucks absolute ass as a marketplace and has nothing to offer over Steam or GOG outside of the free games. It's extremely cumbersome to do anything with, has a garbage installation process, and lacks tons of basic features Steam has. If there were no free games I would never use it. I even bought Subnautica and Below Zero on Steam later anyway because I don't want to use EGS.
>>736967456this is the reason for me too. I don't care about their free games, I'm never installing a store with such an idiotic name as "epic whatever store". I mean, seriously, is the company run by a 12 year old?
>>736980162>let me tell you why you left windowspost fastfetch you dalit egsjeetyou don't have any authority here>If you don’t understand Linux main goal “leaving Windows” then you’re a fake Linux userno, the goal isn't to literally bulldoze fucking everything in blind contrarianismand you're not even a linux user with how you refuse to post fastfetch, don't try to lecture me you midwit faggoti don't have windows installed, i don't have to deal with its problems like the whole gui being made out of slow webapp garbage by low caste jeets that have been sent to work on windows as punishment>You are helping Microsoft through Steam spyware that Valve sells to Microsoft. Your actions are being sold to Microsoft and making Windows a more solid product.that's actual cope, valve is not helping microsoft and you have no proof for it, if anything they've been enemies since windows 8>Steam is not a new Operating System, you only believe that because you were told to believe it.it's a custom arch fork that focuses on steam big pictureand i don't fucking use it and would overwrite it if i had a steam deck so shut up, i don't care about how much you cry about it>Valve funded Wine 1 time but “funding” is not correct. They were hired. Github doesn’t lie about Valve’s employees involvement, the company only adds community changes. Valve or Wine do not do anything to create a better Proton.that's just desperate cope trying to downplay their contributionagain, post fastfetch to have any authority to say any of thisotherwise you're projecting
>>736967180I like having all my games in one place. Unless another storefront can give me substantial savings, like the games flat out costing half the price, I'm probably just sticking with Steam.
>>736967180>Can't mark games as private>Play Hogwarts Mystery>Trans Friends shriek at you in Discordsasuga
>>736967180I bought Control's DLCs to their free game and Tomb Raider 1-2-3 Remastered there.Since it was just a little bit of money, I won't be too worried if the store closes nor if for some reason they decide to delete those products.
nobody wants some fuckass $1 game just because its free, epic should have never existed as a launcher in the first place.what even is this months game? an AI girlfriend game and a literal children's VN game.Yeah, get fucked.
>Epic complains about the tactics that Valve uses for Steam>The same tactics that they use for licensing their engine, so they can have a monopoly in video game engines but taken way far of what Steam does.sasuga
>>736967180The funniest shit to me is that Epic could win literally every single legal battle they have fought for the past decade and you know what it wouldn't get them? A game people want to buy and a store people want to use.
>>736979204>steam is a worse product than gogGOG cultists actually believe this
Is there anyone in these threads who prefer EGS over Steam and vehemently defend their decision?All discussion I see about this is just people shitposting about Steam for engagement. How much of a failure is EGS really?
>>736967180i just simply hate timmy and don't want to support his gamer-hatin' ass, nothing more to it, just personal unmitigated hate
>>736974223Based fellow Gunplafag
>>736981689All of the money Fortnite makes essentially was thrown into two big pits, legal fees and running EGS. Tim runs Epic like Michael Eisner ran Disney in the 90s: lots of money coming in but it's going out just as quickly because he keeps spending it on stupid shit. Long term it isn't sustainable.
>>736981689EGS has never made money since release. It’s been a black hole just eating Fortnite money. Thankfully Fortnite made a lot of money, but that’s been falling which is why Epic laid off 1000 folks. You would think owning Unreal would make Epic a bunch of money, but from their own earnings, Fortnite is like 80% of it.
There is also the fact that Fortnite's success was the catalyst for the flood of GAAS games during the past decade.
>>736981858>You would think owning Unreal would make Epic a bunch of money, but from their own earnings, Fortnite is like 80% of it.Fortnite is closer to 95+%UE only makes around $100 million a year compared to several billion that Fortnite would.A lot of people don't realize how Epic liscenses out UE, they have the 5% past a million in revenue but that's just the standard license and any AA or AAA game is gonna pay upfront for both support and to waive that fee.For shit outside of games for years it was free but now made it a per seat license for anything over a million dollars.So really it's not as shocking they don't make nearly as much with UE.
>>736967180I'm a Linux gamer, and Epic treat us like trash.Even GOG is starting to backtrack on that front, but Timmy still hate us, so he won't get my money.
>>736980162>same faggot who brings up muh refunds shit doesnt understand how linux worksSo its some consolefag larping as a pcfag got it.
Nobody liked the store when it first launched just like people didn't like Uplay and ubisoft cut their loses to just sell through Steam. EGS is continuing this stupid pissing match by doing the same approach Microsoft does where they try to buy their way to success, when you have all the rice in china I imagine they can keep pissing money away but they can't do it forever until a bean counter cuts them off. >Muh free games>muh 12%nothing but a trap the moment they get on top that will be the first thing to go
>>736983449He will latch onto and schizopost about anything as long as he can use it to yell at Valve
>>736980518>>736983449>Muh fastfetchMan you sound pitiful, like as if you had posted fastfetch so why even ask. Want evidence of you supporting Microsoft, read Steam Subscriber Agreement; “Steam may provide links to other third party sites”. Which is a fancy legal term for “We use Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc to track your machine usage.” We know this because websites track these pixel trackers: https://builtwith.comSteamOS really is just a software, only a noob Linux user like you believes it’s a Operating System while not knowing why we older generation called it that. It literally has no possible solution to alter its contents like a real operating system.Lastly, yes it was one time payment to hire people from Wine. Talk to them yourself you coward. Valve’s own Github even says other people contribute more than the employee which is more believable than your constant complaining.
>>736980518>>736983449>>736983962>muh fastfetchYou never posted one either coward, you also just post “trust me bro” cult member nonsense. You don’t have facts, you don’t have fastfetch, you are nothing but another Steamie.
>>736984306here you go you useless nigger>Want evidence of you supporting Microsoft, read Steam Subscriber Agreement; “Steam may provide links to other third party sites”. Which is a fancy legal term for “We use Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc to track your machine usage.” We know this because websites track these pixel trackers: https://builtwith.comso you're guessinggot it, you're so mentally ill and deranged that you're interpreting it as somehow supporting microsoft>SteamOS really is just a software, only a noob Linux user like you believes it’s a Operating Systemit's a fork of arch made to integrate tighter with steam big picture modeit's just more retardproof through its immutability and it's not like anyone is ever forcing you to use it, you can easily overwrite it on the deck and you will be able to do it on the machine>Talk to them yourself you coward. Valve’s own Github even says other people contribute more than the employee which is more believable than your constant complaining.retard, those people work at valve now>>736984401ok faggot, your turn
>>736978875>>736978875The Wolfire complaint is about Valve requiring developers to sell their games at the same price on all storefronts. But that's provably untrue. Games go on sale on PlayStation and Xbox, and GOG and Epic all the time, and those sales don't usually match the discount, if any, that's available for the same game on Steam. The only thing Valve doesn't let you do is sell the freely generated STEAM KEYS they offer you as a courtesy, for your game on a third party website or service for less than you're selling them for on Steam.It all hinges on one e-mail from one Valve employee who wasn't even a member of the relevant team. An e-mail they got after asking the same question of as many employees as they could, fishing for answers that disagreed with the plainly stated official policy that Valve makes readily available. I don't understand how their lawsuit has dragged on for so long. I would have figured Valve's lawyers could have submitted the official policy and proof that they've never taken action to fix prices across marketplaces.But I guess whoever gets to decide whether a lawsuit is too frivolous to proceed in the state of Washington thinks there's an open question on whether Valve should be forced to allow anyone who publishes a game on Steam to use Steam's infrastructure indefinitely without paying Valve a cent over the $100 publishing fee.
>>736967415>you can't just make a shit storefront and people will use it because of brand recognition.It worked for Valve.
>>736984506Steam store literally has trackers, this is a known fact. Why you lying, every extension, website and Steam’s own ToS says it’s using trackers. You are absolutely wrong here or do you believe in some conspiracy that they all are working together.SteamOS is software, only you believe in the operating system story. Not even Valve claims it to be a operating system.No one at Wine works for Valve this is false. Community forums stopped this conspiracy theory a long time ago.
>>736985223POST FASTFETCH>Steam store literally has trackers, this is a known fact.and you're so mentally ill you somehow twisted it into them supporting microsoftyou're a retardPOST FASTFETCH>Not even Valve claims it to be a operating system.POST FASTFETCHi guess arch isn't an operating system eitheryou don't know what distro meansPOST FASTFETCH>No one at Wine works for Valve this is false.POST FASTFETCHno retard, the people behind proton's components doPOST FASTFETCHeverything you say means nothing until you POST FASTFETCHyou understand NOTHING about linux
>>736967326that and Epic are Jews who reel you in with good deals then turn it into a way to milk you
>>736985457>Expose to being a kidReport the child
>>736985710rewrite the esl babble into something comprehensible
I'm not a developer, why should I care? Where's MY price cut? Why is using Epic's store such a fucking pain in the ass?
>that time the terraria devs spoke out against egs timed exclusivity>timmy tencent was so pissed off that he bought his way into sponsoring the gane awards, and purposely sabotaged the terraria:journeys end trailer that was shown offWhat a slimy prick.
>>736986478Proof? Would be funny if true.
>>736986537To be specific, it was a livestream of E3 2019, during the pc gaming show. when the journeys end trailer comes up, the sound completely cuts out about ten seconds in..no other trailer suffers this issue, and its immediately fixed the moment it ends. It was the same event hosted and sponsored by epic games, after the devs came out against egs exclusivity. Not sure if any livestream footage still has it.
>>736986478Valve has historically blocked games that they don’t like. Epic and Valve share the same common goal of horrible indie dev treatment.
>>736986537https://youtube.com/watch?v=hru6IvgRSp4&t=1808s&pp=2AGQDpACAQ%3D%3DFound it. Not sure if they fixed the audio, but it looks like theres a completly different issue where the trailer cuts out a minute early. At least if you compare it to the trailer on relogics channel
>>736967180v4lv3 dr0n3s are thing you know?
>>736967456Orly? You don't want an epic winrar over steam anon?
>make a completely inferior platform that's only merit is "muh better sales cut for devs" (something that doesn't affect the consumers at all)>doesn't even launch with basic features for easier shopping and remains without them for YEARS>"WHY AREN'T PEOPLE USING EPIC GAMES STORE?? DO YOU FUCKING HATE DEVS?? STEAM IS A MONOPLY!!"
>>736985457>Kid thinks FASTFETCH is very important
>>736974958anon, are you retarded? even if that were true, it's open source, you can fork and change it if you want
>>736987554It should be clear the rest of this thread his knowledge regarding any of this is pretty badHe just wants to yell at Valve
>>736987407yes, you don't deserve to talk about the complexities of linux if you can't prove you're using itif you can shit out such a retarded take like steamos not being an operating system because you don't know what a distro means then you don't get to talk about it
>>736987554>>736988006People literally tried and they all have the same GitHub message “steam is required ”.>>736975267Valve has locked Proton into proprietary software. You literally can’t run a Steam free version.
>>736988096Distribution software is just a fancy word for modded operating systems. Fastfetch is the computer system info. These things don’t prove you have experience. You can easily fake the photo from a test Linux website.The fact that you wanted something so useless proves you are a kid. The fact that you don’t understand the technical details behind words means you are not in high school. Get lost already, you are just a stupid zoomer like the rest.
>>736988816>People literally tried and they all have the same GitHub message “steam is required ”.post it then you dumb niggeryou can download any of the game managers right fucking now like bottles or lutris or heroic and they all will let you download protonyou know nothing
>>736967180>epic game store is running out of money and you're laughing
>>736989000i know what all of those are you utter fucking moronyou're claiming absurd incomprehensible shit that only a retard who never used linux could possibly say, shut the fuck up, you're too retarded to talk about any of thisi'm asking for some basic fucking proof which you just can't fucking deliver because you're a jeet hallucinating everything
>This threadJust another reminder that despite the dwindling userbase and failing finances, Timmy still thinks he can take over the PC gaming market by hiring poos to shitpost about steam.
>>736989096> The Proton runner (developed by Valve and improved/offered by GloriousEggroll>GloriousEggroll “Running non-Steam games with GE-Proton outside of Steam is only supported using umu”>Lutris “Proton is made specifically for Steam and will work for Steam games.”https://github.com/lutris/lutris/discussions/4227>Heroic “It is important to note that Proton was not designed to run games outside of Steam”https://heroicgameslauncher.com/faqAll 3 of your recommendations say what I said. Steam only games, it can not work without Steam.
>>736991554>this dumb nigger is now trying to pass off a runtime as some locked down proprietary dependency when he clearly included the bit that states that umu replaces itstay in school egsjeet
>>736991792>Valve Proton github says “Steam only”Are you saying your beloved Corporation lied? Are you saying people who have more programming experience lied? You think UMU is a special software that cracked the code. Anon… stop being a conspiracy theorist…
>>736992158are you too illiterate to understand what a disclaimer is?again, you can install umu in fucking seconds the same way you install everything else on linux, you useless fucking niggerdid you cry and shit your pants when you had to install java to play minecraft?go back to school, you're an undercooked waste of oxygen
>>736988816>Valve has locked Proton into proprietary software. You literally can’t run a Steam free version.?????What's UMU and ProtonGE, then? Or all the other Proton forks?>>736991554Oh, you really are a retard.
>>736992337UMU creator confirmed it still uses Steam because it’s required: https://github.com/Open-Wine-Components/umu-launcher/issues/453“The feature you’re suggesting would imply letting umu-launcher potentially writing its files outside its owned directories and Steam’s compatibilitytools.d which is problematic.”All developers (Valve corporate included) have said you require Steam. Give it up.
>>736967180It does not have a good online community like steam does.It's the WHOLE trick.They could do a online community like steam but better (not even a high bar to pass), and that's it.But no, gotta suck the dick of the developers and make a really fucking shitty user sided application.Same shit as GoG, the whole trick, the whole shit, is making a place where people can show off the games they bought, talk and share memes and setup online matches.There's literally no point in leaving the Epic shit running when not playing a game.
>>736992723so you've gone from claiming that you need to have steam installed to coping about install directoriesyou're so fucking desperate holy fuck, that's not what it saysstay in school
>>736992545No dev claims you were free from Steam or content that was not created from Valve Corporation. Proton is Steam’s biggest scam that was created from Wine as the sole proprietary software to run exclusively Steam games.It’s a you problem if you believe Steam user base lies. All developers have made it clear and had attempted to create a Steam free software.
>>736992723>“The feature you’re suggestingAnd what would that feature be?>I want to specify a custom folder where all the proton packages are as subfolders, (where umu will auto download and update)Congratulations, you stupid jeet. You have failed basic english comprehension.
Steam competitors are yet to discover, that steam is not just a storefront for games, but a whole ass social network - a facebook - for gamers. With forums, highly customizable profile pages, steam market, trading cards, OSTs, steam inventory, friends, voice chat, groups and so on and so on. Some day they will learn about it. But not today. It's too early (after more than 20 years of steam)
>>736992860I'm a noob linux user but you sound dumber than me when it comes to linux. I'm like 99% certain there is no actual issue here and the crux of the argument is that Valve touched Proton in any way. I can still run non-steam games using proton without ever installing steam, I know because that was the first thing I tested swapping over to Linux lol.
>>736967180>Don't they know Epic's 12% cut is more pro-developerCool, then I get a 12% discount, right?>W-well, no... BU--Then I don't care.No Steam, no buy.
>>736967180The brainwashing that Valve holds over its customers is deep. Give people time, and they will realize superior platforms exist.Valve is a company of liars and frauds. They do not deserve your money for their consumer-unfriendly practices.
>>736992817>>736992861Such feature doesn’t exist asshole - source: me who use UMU Luncher on raspberry pieLeave 4chan, clearly you googled that photo and claim “expert” on Linux.
>>736978336There was literally a rotschild jew suing valve one time (he lost)They're upset they can't have money from valve because valve is a private companyAnd that dude seriously thinks that literal jews and jew owned governments suing valve is something that makes valve look badHe either a jew himself or very dumb
>>736992860>All developers have made it clear and had attempted to create a Steam free software.And succeeded since there are several proton forks that can run games without steam. >No dev claims you were free from Steam or content that was not created from Valve CorporationYour problem is that you're esl so you think the devs crediting Valve with developing the original proton that they forked from is some kind of.....endorsement? Enslavement? I'll be honest, I cant fully understand your subhuman grammar
>>736992940the feature of renaming a folder? remember, your initial claim was that you need steamyou don't, this is a fact, hence why you pivoted over to something this fucking petty, you have nothingand given that esl babble you should really stay in school
>>736967180I'll start using EGS when that 12% cut means my games cost less to purchase. >>736992925
>>736993023He is literally just mad that valve touched proton in any way and now he has to grasp at straws trying to spin it as a bad thing.
>>736992940>with some modifications made so that it can be used outside of Steam.>can be used outside of SteamScream all you want monkey, the fact is that you're a miserable failure that got btfo by the project description
>>736992939Pic related is Valves competition by the way. Oh and here's how it's going. >Starting April 10, 2026, Amazon Luna will no longer offer game stores, individual game purchases or third-party subscriptions.
>>736992939>Give people time, and they will realize superior platforms exist.Like GOG? That's the only one I can think of that has any edge versus Steam.Otherwise what do you have in mind?
Epic can't even do basic shit like moving installed games right. Even microslop gamepass do this right.
>>736993023Why are you defending the corporate interests anon. We can see the GitHub website and we can confirm it’s the one and only developers. Proton libraries are predatory software.You need a therapist.
>>736967180>go to epic store>page won't load unless I turn off adblocker>want free game>have to make account>have to go through 2fa after putting in email>download epic launcher>ads everywhere>have to do 2fa every login>mandatory bloatware>claim my free borderlands>mandatory randyware>have to do 2fa to open game>game doesn't launchokay back to steam
>>736993207It's baffling how shit that launcher can be after 7 years
>>736993217>loses>tries to moralfag while being on the side of a retard that hated pc gaming until he got jealous of how much valve was making kill yourself egsjeet
>>736993217>We can see the GitHub website and we can confirm it’s the one and only developersYeah, Valve developed Proton. What point are you trying to make here, subhuman jeet? That forking it to not need Steam to work is somehow in line with Valve's interests? Run your posts through AI to fix that disgusting grammar. I seriously have no idea what you're trying to say
>>736993207>you have to essentially trick EGS into thinking it re-downloaded the game itself if you want to change the install folderHoly shit. How is this thing still running.
>>736967180>Don't they know Epic's 12% cut is more pro-developer than Steam's 30%?Why would I care? How about they take a 20% cut instead and give me 10% off on every game? I'm supposed to use a worse client while paying the same amount just because billion dollar corporations get to make even more money? Fuck off.
>>736967180because EGS caters to developers and Steam caters to customersI'm sorry you hate capitalism so much, but the laws of nature say your shit doesn't work, and those laws will never ever change
>>736993023>>736993082>>736993105>>736993118>>736993307>>736993317>UserSteam made UMU change the folder to their files>DevThis is correct>UserThen fix it!>DevNo, your suggestion breaks UMUStupid ass 4chan not reading like always. If Steam changed things without permission, they are doing stuff inside your computer. This is why FBI is investigating them for malware. You fakers don’t understand Linux at all.
>>736993453>This is why FBI is investigating them for malware.what?
>>736991486and it still won't work because Marxism never works
>>736993453>I'm actually with you there, but there are some of us who want Protons installed it in that directory still. See #362 (comment). If you disagree then you're free to download UMU-Proton using another tool then set PROTONPATH accordingly or set UMU-Latest to PROTONPATH as documented in umu(1), which will install it in $XDG_DATA_HOME/umu/compatibilitytools.>You can fix it. >To be clear, are you suggesting this to be the default behavior for umu-launcher? If not and if you're only concerned about not having UMU-Proton builds in Steam's directory, then look no further. UMU-Latest or GE-Latest will give you that.>It's fixed alreadyYou are such a disgusting creature. Goddamn, how could you be classified as the same biological species as me?
The only alternate store front I could possibly want is one focused on JP games and run by JP people where they can sell their shit free of censorship, otherwise Gaben is doing a good enough job with his store and there's 0 reason for me as a consumer to want to install more bloatware to consume from another.
>>736967180Swiney is just not a sympathetic guy.
>>736993497He's probably talking about the investigation into 7 specific games on Steam ad not Valve themselves.
>>736993453No you illiterate clown, umu was using the same folder as steam and it was expecting something else so there were issuesYou're a petty bitch, you've proven that by the fact that you no longer argue about not being able to use proton without steamNow you're desperate to exaggerate the issue of them using the same folder because you just can't accept defeat, you rancid shit stained malnourished inbred feeble 76 iq dalit with grip strength below that of an average white woman
Another thing I don't see discussed is that Steam is an entire ecosystem that people can create a persona for. The Epic Games launcher is just some shit you have to click through to play Fortnite or GTA or something. Epic just doesn't get it and neither does anyone else apparently.
>>736993587PlayDRM and whatever shit they put on DMM for VNs and eroge is fucking atrocious for paid user and the only reason it's tolerable because pirated physical copies don't have those shit.
>>736967636No, they even actively claimed the (timed) exclusive money deal and did not add anything extra to their game.
Games were supposed to get cheaper if the publisher took a bigger cut, but instead publishers just got to take home more money while leaving game prices the same lol. Once--just once--Epic Game Store did a sale where games WERE about 10 bucks cheaper on EGS than Steam and publishers threw a fit since they thought they were losing money but it was actually just Tim dropped his cut of the transaction entirely during that sales event.
>>736968354>-5$ offNot even worth it.
>>736967180Fuck off Sweeney.
>>736969534The prices are the same, we aren't paying more on steam.
You guys broke the 'steam is le BAD' shit stirrer into going full ESL that's pretty impressive
>>736973017Though luck for him that gamers just don't buy and play those exclusive deal games, instead of opting for his store.
>>736967180>anyone actually into the gaming scene can see sweeny is a slimy toad of a man>his store has fuckall features compared to steam>Epic kept paying for games upfront so users could have them for free, literally encouraging this exact behaviour>Took forever to introduce a FUCKING SHOPPING CART to their store, what the fuckSteams 30% cut solves a good chunk of your advertising, community management and popular storefront integration issues just like that. Its a bargain to just pay 30% and be on steam, its a burden to pay 12% and endure the EGS.Also consumers can read reviews of games on steam, but Timmy would NEVER let the goyim have that security and luxury in his store.
>>736993583Again it’s not fix, my raspberry pie UMU luncher has no ability to adjust the file without me. The code and log release has no fix. You also didn’t include current month update. Why are you lying!
>>736993497From the source: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/fbi-seeks-victims-of-steam-games-used-to-spread-malware/This isn’t just “4 bad games” it’s any scam games that steal money. So yes, FBI is investigating Steam and yes Steam can be liable for it. Steam lied about “scanning games for protection” and lied about “safeguarding against malware”.
>>736967180Maybe they should try pandering to trannies fags and Jews even moreIt's worked so well thus far
>>736967180I have no interest in supporting a company that actively attempts to sabotage the industry.Do not negotiate with terrorists.
>>736967656>I don't give a shit about developers saving money unless they pass that savings directly to me.Why the fuck DONT they?With all games going up in price with AAAs up to 70-80 range now, imagine if epic just said all AAAs are 60 on our store. It would be easy marketing and could legitimately drive conversion to the store
>>736978083They could do the same what valve wanted to do/did with source 2/s&box games. To guarantee that the games are also available on EGS alongside other stores.
>>736980162holy shit you're so fucking retarded. stop posting.
>>736967180Because with free games no one ever participates in a loop of using the platform where they buy games to play their games, they just get a free game and never interact with the purchasing system.The 12% cut doesn't even result in sub-20$ games, the kind of impulse purchase price sweetspot that could result in more sales, they're still 70$ same as on every other platform because publishers don't want to de-normalize the 60$ pricing that they clawed their way towards in the 2000s.
