>Seriously Gandalf why cant we just take the eagles? Its so much safer than going on foot and getting chased by orcs and undead or one of us dying. It doesn’t have to be for the full journey either maybe just 1/3 of the way there. Its just faster than walking all the way there and putting targets on our backs. Right Gandalf?
if you had read the hobbit you'd know that the eagles don't give a shit about middle earth being conquered by sauron
>>737003178They literally came in at the end to take Frodo off Mt. Doom and back to Rivendell.
>>737003339as a favor to gandalf
>>737002940Read the book
>>737003370Gandalf could have offered them all the birdseed in the world to fly Frodo to Mordor.
>>737003339now that the nazguls' flying beasts are dead so they can't kill the eagles
this nigga doesn't understand the concept of a stealth mission
Why didn't the Allies just parachute all of their soldiers into Nazi Germany at the same time?
>>737002940>>737003178If you played Lord of the Rings Gollum, you would know Gollum can control birds, and the eagles had to wait for him to be dead before they could approach.
>>737003513Have the eagles fly at night. You can still see Mt Doom at night.
>>737002940I always figured it was magic anti-air combined with the giant fuckoff all-seeing eyeLike, Sauron will see them (nothing to break line of sight) and snipe them
>>737004180They did, it was called operation Market Garden. Didn't work.
>3 books explaining how powerful the ring is at corrupting everything>lol let's give it to these giant gods that can FLY
>>737002940Remember how America just lost like a dozen planes trying to do that Iran? Same thing would happen.
Because they need gollum to destroy the ring. If they got there without gollum frodo would just give the ring to sauron./thread
>>737004490The ringwraiths also had flying monstrous mounts. And the Eagles were also a very proud people, the Ring would have tempted them severely.
>>737004490Approaching MT Doom from an angle that puts it in between the eagles and the tower would prevent him from seeing them.
>>737004450And the eye of sauron can see you. The second he sees your stupid ass in the air, you're dead as fuck. The whole point of the trip was to avoid being seen by him.
>>737004578It's shown that Sam can carry Frodo while he's holding the ring and not get corrupted. Just have the eagles drop Frodo if he doesn't toss the ring.
>>737004682Use terrain masking. Approach from an angle that puts mountains in-between the tower and the eagles. Keep Mt Doom in the way until the last moment, and then it's too late for Sauron.>>737004527We have historical evidence that the allies won WW2, so clearly it did work.
if Aule is the catholic god why doesn't he just will sauron and the ring out of existence
>>737003438Good luck getting past the fucking nazgul. Did you know Sauron has an airforce?
>Sauron is THE craftsman among the Maiar and also the most powerful and most cunning>gets duped into serving Melkor>spends most of his military career losing>jobs to an elf girl and her dog>puts 99% of his power into a single ring like his dumbass master did>gets captured by Numenorians>gets blown into the sea by their biblical god equivalent after trying to fool the Numenoreans >jobs to Elendil and Gil-Galad then Isildur cuts off the ring>spends the rest of his life as a spirit in Barad Dur where his ring that contains 99% of his power falls into the very volcano he created it How do you have all these plans and ambitions and none of them work out?
>>737002940They can't because the Eagles don't give a shit. They really don't. As another anon said, they only flew in to take Frodo back at the end as per Gandalfs request in order to return a favour and they only did it because it was safe now. Since, as another anon also said, Sauron has an entire fucking airforce with Nazgul that would easily cut the Eagles off and kill them.The entire point of going on foot was that they'd be harder to find and catch. Which evidently didn't work out exactly as planned since the entire plan to begin with was a 1 in 1000 and incredibly dangerous. It's a miracle it paid off.
>>737004783You're the closest in this thread to getting it.
>>737004789Only ring wraiths ride them? They spend like half the story on horses, far from Mordor. If Gandalf got Frodo on the eagles right from the Shire, he would have been so far ahead of the ring wraiths that they could never reach their nazgul in time to intercept.
>>737004885I wonder what tolkien would say if he had to come to life and spend a few hours arguing with people on 4chan about what he wrote in his books
>>737004980nazg means ringnazgul are the ring wraithsthe things they fly officially have no name (but some people call them fel beasts because it's a term used once)
>>737004980pretty sure they had nazgul at the broken tower place outside bree maybe near the barrows i forgor the name of
>>737004783Becauise JRR said at some point that God won't intervene directly in any natural disaster. If an elf turns evil and makes rings that corrupt others then it's basically on everyone else to deal with it. Elves are part of the natural order of the world and anything they do within their power for evil is entirely a natural affair.If Sauron landed on the planet from outerspace and was basically Jenova or Tiberium, then God would have done something about it.
people have a hard time understanding that eagles are sentient beings with their own opinions. saying why didnt the eagles fly them to mordor is like asking americans why they dont just work out and stop worshipping jews and child molesters
>>737004180Because that isnt allowed. Read the server's rules and blame Paradox for having bugs they never fix.
>>737005059Eru sank Numenor because the Valar did the equivalent of whining.
>>737005093The other thing is that the Eagles could potentially have been corrupted by the ring as well. They're proud creatures. There is no guarantee they wouldn't say "Fuck you" and kill Frodo in order to keep it for themselves.>b-buh they can't wear itDoesn't matter. The ring corrupts. Eagles would be susceptible to it. The entire reason they use Hobbits is because they're the most resistant to its corruption.
>>737002940You know the point of sending a Hobbit in the first place is because they needed a plan Sauron wouldn't see coming, or even think possible, right? He's so full of himself that he thinks Gandalf and Friends would treat the Ring as the huge issue it is when Gandalf's actual plan is to use the absolute audacity of sending it off on foot with one of the lowliest creatures in the world, fully expecting a pampered midget to walk the length of the continent to infiltrate the worst place on Earth.Sauron's expecting eagles. Or armies. Or mighty champions. He's not expecting a Hobbit and his Gardener.
Why didn't Gandalf make a ring that corrupts people to be good?
>>737005257Celebrimbor was with Talion.
>>737005257tolkienesque good is the absence of bad, thats why hobbits are considered good even though theyre lazy and prefer comfort
Would the fellowship still have succeeded if someone like Legolas or Gimli never joined?
>>737005406The fellowship failed.
>>737005320Celebrimbor's thing was enslaving orcs to his own will. It didn't make them good, only compliant. Case in point: when he's trying to fight Sauron with his "good" orcs, Sauron just wipes the mark off them and they go right back to being evil.
>throws the ring in aqua regiaWhat now, ring boy? >throws the ring into a black holeWhat now, sownigger?>Gives the ring to Atomic Bombadil.What now, maia faggot?>Replaces John Jones with the one ring.Just go down that hole and get it, dinosauron homo.
>>737002940>Because it's funny seeing you struggle, move along now!
>>737005814>nothing works because it's Magic and the Magic says "it can only be un-Magic'd in the place it was created"
>>737002940The Eagles can't just be teleported in or remotely called (the movie uses the moth device to save on exposition, but this isn't one of Gandalf's abilities in the book).They live on top of the Misty Mountains.Between the Shire and Rivendell they were nowhere near the Eagles. They would have to have a huge detour to even reach them.And that would be a bad idea for all the other reasons listed in the thread.When the Eagles saved them in The Hobbit, they were hunting goblins at the time.When the Eagles saved them at the end of LOTR, Gwaihir coincidentally (or by act of God) happened to be coming to Gandalf to warn him of a large host of Goblins coming over the Misty Mountains, so he asked them to save Frodo; at this stage, with Sauron and the Ringwraiths broken by the destruction of the Ring, there was no longer any risk to the Eagles carrying Frodo.>>737004783If we're working off Christian theology, God doesn't directly intervene because the whole point of having a world with free will is for people to be able to make choices to do the right thing.If we're working off in universe, In the Silmarillion, when Eru is making the music of the world, and Morgoth introduces discord to the song, Eru decides to leave it in because it actually adds to the music.
>>737005010https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Uz0LMbWpI
>>737006448>In the summer of TA 3018, Gandalf asked Radagast the Brown to send word among his friends the birds to learn what they could of the Enemy's plans. The Great Eagles flew far and wide and gathered news of the Nazgûl, the muster of Orcs and Wargs, and the escape of Gollum from Mirkwood.>Gwaihir went to Isengard to bring this news to Gandalf. In the early hours of September 18, he found Gandalf imprisoned by Saruman on the pinnacle of Orthanc. Gwaihir bore Gandalf away, and when the wizard said that he needed a horse, Gwaihir set him down in the land of Rohan.So it seems like Gandalf can go to Radagast and have him send messenger birds to the eagles and set up meetings. The eagles will do things for Gandalf because they seem to like him. Perhaps Gandalf could have sent word via Radagast. "Meet me outside Rivendel. I'll be with a little guy and some other dudes. From there, we're going to Mordor or as close as you can get us."
>>737004885in middle-earth ambition is evilsaruman wanted to go to middle earth and learn about the ring and grow more powerful his ambition corrupted himgandalf did not want to go to middle earth and had very little ambition so he was not corruptedboromir wanted the ring for its power he had that ambition and it corrupted himaragorn did not want to be king he did not have ambition so he was not corruptmelkor had ambition he wanted to rule he wanted to be in charge and it corrupt himeru wanted to create a world and no longer be alone his ambition corrupted him which is why he doesnt care about what melkor does to the elves or to arda, in the end he only gets a stern talking to
>>737002940https://youtu.be/1-Uz0LMbWpI
>>737009337Dangerously based.
>>737002940The birds didn't give a shit and only did anything because Gandalf was a real fucking wizard with with real fucking motion. If it were up to them, they woulda fucked off.
>>737004683>lord of the rings>a book about Elija Wood being dragged away by an eagle and thrown into a volcano to save the worldFuck it, I'd give it a go.
>>737009337For such an eloquent man I always have a chuckle when he gives the most unexpected answers. Like when asked "why did you do all this world building to tell your story?" and he just shrugs. SHRUGS.
>>737008549To be fair, if they had just gone straight to Mordor, pretty sure the eyeboss himself woulda seent them and like blasted off the face of the earth or some shit. The walk needed to happen for time to pass and Sauron to become complacent, had he not sucked his own cock so much about winning, he wouldnt have ignored Mt Doom during the literally most obvious ploy attack on the planet (at least in the movies) and actually fucking loses to his own hubris.
>>737009415>>737009614Are you familiar with the concept of AI voices?
>>737008910not sure if trolling or just retarded
>>737002940Did you see the giant magical all-seeing eye? Just me apparently? Don't you think it might see the eagles coming?
>>737002940I'd really prefer it if you walked.
>>737009686"surely Aragorn has the ring and thinks he can beat me with my magic, that's why he brought the remaining 10% of his armies to my doorstep, I sure hope this isn't some sort of diversion that buys enough time for me to be taken out at a pivotal mome-AAAAGGGH"
>>737009702I'm talking about an actual interview. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LBa0QIrqX4c
>>737009730The eyeball tower was a movies only thing, wasn't in the books
>>737002940Why didn’t Gandalf just teleport Frodo to Mount Doom? He does have a teleport spell right? Since he’s the greatest wizard of all time?
I always hate it when fictional characters don't behave in a way that prevents any kind of interesting story from being told. I am very very autistic.
>>737009686>>737009779evil lacks empathy and is thus self-defeating: sauron cannot conceive others of thinking or acting in ways he would not.
>>737002940The Eagles could have been corrupted by the Ring and murdered the people on their backThe Nazgûl could have killed themSauron’s Eye could have spotted them
>>737004490Sauron is not literally a giant fuckoff eye. The flaming eye is a symbol of his power. He is, by the time of the War of the Ring, a much reduced creature, possessing no fair, Godly form, probably something more akin to the Nazgul (a horribly fleshed form his spirit clings to) but more hobbled and contained to his tower, from which he executes his machinations.
>>737009882Even a psychopath can still emulate how normal people think and feel. Sauron thought tactically. He was all about the numbers. Who had the bigger army, the better units, etc. The only emotion involved was Sauron having suffered a recent defeat and thus being extra hungry for a win. Having Aragorn/Gandalf show up with an insultingly small army was too tempting to ignore.
I always assumed only fellow Maiar could actually use the power of the ring, if anyone else tried they'd just go invisible and not much else. Could a man actually attempt to gain control of the ring if they put it on?also how is the site still fucking slow
>>737010041No, it's designed to fuck you up. Only Sauron can really use it. Boromir basically asked that and Elrond said that temptation was the trap set by Sauron. Even the desire to use the ring will fuck you up (like what happened to Saruman).
>>737010041Even Gandalf did not dare to touch the Ring. It IS Sauron. Trying to "use" it just turns you into Sauron-lite.
>>737010041The ring was basically Sauron's own will, which is unyielding to anyone except Sauron. Isildur tried to conquer the ring for 2 years after Sauron was defeated. Even though Sauron was at his absolute weakest, the ring still resisted Isildur completely.
>>737002940The eagles are agents of Enwa who is essentially the Zuess of middle earth and the he has turned his back on it since the kin slaying. Sending the eagles at the very end was a mercy unexpected. It has nothing to do with nazgul or Gandalf. Enwa only answers to Eru.
>>737004783Because that’s not how God functions. Automatically willing evil and its consequences out of existence removes the agency and choice that ensouled beings like elves have in having the ability to perform evil actions in the first place. Which would also destroy the ontological structure allowing “good” to exist as well.
>>737010335The eagles were doing shit for Gandalf for the whole story. Are you daft?
>>737010515You didn't read the books.
>>737004758>We have historical evidence that the allies won WW2, so clearly it did work.Underrated bait
>>737011203In the summer of TA 3018, Gandalf asked Radagast the Brown to send word among his friends the birds to learn what they could of the Enemy's plans. The Great Eagles flew far and wide and gathered news of the Nazgûl, the muster of Orcs and Wargs, and the escape of Gollum from Mirkwood.Gwaihir went to Isengard to bring this news to Gandalf. In the early hours of September 18, he found Gandalf imprisoned by Saruman on the pinnacle of Orthanc. Gwaihir bore Gandalf away, and when the wizard said that he needed a horse, Gwaihir set him down in the land of Rohan.
I need me a girl who loves me as much as Arwen did Aragon.
>>737011203On February 17, 3019, Gwaihir was searching for Gandalf at the request of Galadriel when he found the wizard atop the Silvertine. Gandalf had vanquished the Balrog in the Battle of the Peak, but the entrance to the Endless Stair had been blocked, preventing him from escaping the mountaintop. Gwaihir once again bore Gandalf; he found his burden to be as light as a feather, for Gandalf's old life had been burned away, and he had been reborn as Gandalf the White.Gwaihir brought Gandalf to Lothlórien, and then at the wizard's request he flew to seek news of the Fellowship. Aragorn and Legolas both saw him circling above the Emyn Muil. Gwaihir returned to Gandalf with the news that Merry and Pippin had been kidnapped by Saruman's Uruk-hai.Gwaihir and his brother Landroval led a great company of Eagles to the Battle of the Black Gate on March 25, 3019. They swooped in to attack the winged Nazgûl, but the Nazgûl fled when Sauron summoned them to fly to Mount Doom where Frodo Baggins stood at the Cracks of Doom with the Ring. After the Ring was destroyed, Mount Doom erupted and Frodo and Sam were stranded on a hill amid flowing lava and falling ash. Gandalf asked Gwaihir to bear him a final time. Accompanied by Landroval and Meneldor, Gwaihir flew swiftly to Mount Doom; with his keen sight, he spotted the Hobbits through the fumes. The Eagles lifted Frodo and Sam and bore them away to safety.Looks like it's you who didn't read the books. Those eagles were constantly working behind the scenes. They had no need of a god to instruct them. They had Gandalf.
>>737009851Why didn't they just teleported Mordor to the eagles
>>737011356>>737011501This isn't in the books.
>>737002940
Why were elves allowed to empower Sauron then take zero responsibility for it and then to top it off forced men to deal with it by just bailing to their no mortals allowed zone even though Sauron should have tyrannized them instead of men since he was also immortal?
>>737002940The giant fiery eyeball tower is a magical antiair gun.
>>737002940Sauron was happy to just keep turtling. He attacked Gondor large scale when he did because he expected that the ring was there. Losing that battle didn't even matter either, he had massive reserves of orcs.When the fellowship left rivendel, they figured time was on heir side, and tha sealth was far more important than speed.Also the eagles are like angelic beings who don't give a shit about what was happening, and were not allowed to intervene anyway or their god equivalent would be pissed at them.Also the ring could have corrupted one which would have been an insane risk to take with a gigantic eagle.
>>737002940Why couldnt one of the Valar just come to middle-earth and destroy Sauron in 2 seconds?
>>737012152Because the kin slaying. The elves valued objects above living amongst their gods.
>>737002940why didnt legolas 360 noscope the eye of sauron???
>>737011874'Cause what were the humans gonna do about it? Sauron can't go on the immortal elf orgy island so it's pretty much "not my problem" from their point of view.The only reason most elves still remained in Middlearth is because Sauron's rings gifted to the elves had the power of "preservation", to maintain the beauty of the old. They were huge nostalgiafags for their better times. Once the One Ring was destroyed, all other rings also lost their powers, and with them the beauty they preserved, so a lot of them moved on.
>>737004885>spends most of his military career losingWe basically know nothing about his time as Melkor's right hand, if that's what you mean>jobs to an elf girl and her dogYou mean a 2v1 against a girl who could put Melkor to sleep with her singing, and a dog who is the personal hunting hound of a Valar? Sauron is so terrifying that Huan almost flees when he first sees him>puts 99% of his power into a single ring like his dumbass master didSauron did it intentionally, whereas Melkor did it by accident, and gained nothing from it personally. The Ring did not make Sauron weaker. He didn't actually lose any power when he wasn't wearing it. The Ring gave him a boost while he wore it, but it didn't take anything from him. Sauron would literally not have made it to the Third Age without the Ring, and it was only destroyed because Eru is a cheating fucker>gets captured by NumenoriansHe lets himself get captured. He could easily have run away or hidden from them had he desired>jobs to Elendil and Gil-Galad then Isildur cuts off the ringSauron hadn't recovered from the sinking of Numenor when they fought, and Gil-Galad's ilk could duel Balrogs, while Elendil was an uberchad superhuman. Don't forget Sauron kills both of them before he falls into a coma, and only when Isildur cuts off the Ring does he abandon his body>gets blown into the sea by their biblical god equivalent after trying to fool the NumenoreansAnother case of Eru cheating when Sauron's plan actually succeeds. He had put the Valar in a situation in which they would either have to destroy Numenor or let Valinor get ravaged, but they weren't allowed fuck Numenor up>spends the rest of his life as a spirit in Barad Dur where his ring that contains 99% of his power falls into the very volcano he created itSauron has a physical form by the time LotR takes place. Gollum meets him in person. Again, the Ring only gets destroyed because Eru gives Gollum a push
>>737010041The Ring gives power to anyone who has it or wears it, but humans and hobbits become invisible because they get pulled into the spirit world when they wear it. Elves and the Maiar already exist in both the physical and the spirit realm, which means that they remain visible. But you're right that only a Maiar or above would be able to make use of its full power, and only they could ever hope to make it their own (becoming like Sauron in the process)
>>737004683We already told you the catapult idea is retarded Boromir so shut up.
>>737005320>>737005472Exceedingly and dangerously non-canon, anons
>>737004683Sam can carry Frodo because he's also so pure of heart as to be able to resist the ring, even when he's directly carrying it. And he was able to give it up of his own free will in Mordor. It's incredibly noteworthy and impressive. I don't actually know if the eagles would be resistant to the ring's influence or not.
>>737005059>If an elf turns evil and makes rings that corrupt others then it's basically on everyone else to deal with itWhich elf are you referring to? Celebrimbor wasn't evil, and wasn't at fault for the corrupted rings. In fact, the three he worked on in secret were free of corruption, though they would still answer to the One Ring
>>737011892The Eagles were working for gandalf all the time. What do you mean?
>>737012973Iirc theres a scene in the book where the ring is tempting Sam, and the vision he shows him is of Sam being like a supreme overloard gardener lmao.Same was so pure that that was the best the Sauron could think up to tempt him
>>737012483>the Ring only gets destroyed because Eru gives Gollum a pushI always liked this. It's like God just shrugs his shoulders and goes>"eh, you know what close enough"
>>737013381If you include The Hobbit, the Eagles help 4 times over the course of decades by my memory.Once to help the dwarf party escape orcs. I think they were at the battle of 5 armiesOnce to save Gandalf from Sauroman (only 1 eagle btw)Once at the Battle of the Black GateThey were never working for Gandalf. They did him favours when it suited them or if they owed him one. They would never be convinced to carry the ring to mordor.
because frodo was meant to carry the ringsimple as
>>737013449It's less that he's pure, and more that he's humble. From what I remember, he does get shown that garden vision, and that if he just claims the Ring as his own, he could turn even an ash land like the Plains of Gorgoroth into a lush field full of life. He's entranced by the idea, but he's fully satisfied with just having his own small garden back at home.
>>737003339only because literally everyone else was also at the war and the eagles didn't want to look like pussies
>>737002940the wyvern riders.
>>737004980did you miss the giant fiery eyeball on are you just that fucking dense
>>737012902Next youre going to claim that the spider wasnt supposed to look like Stoya in human form. The Tolk knows what his fans like.
>>737005186>they can't wear itthey can. they have talons and the ring can change its size
>>737002940The whole point of them even sending hobbits is that they are less corruptible, and don't stand out as any kind of threat that Sauron would give a shit about. A squadron of eagles would have seen Sauron decimate them utterly and probably corrupt them for his own use. Same reason Gandalf didn't just do it himself.
Glorfindel and Eomer should have joined the Fellowship
>tfw the lotr anime was actually bretty good and we'll never ever get something like that again because it bombed
>>737014428>lotr anime?
The eaglefags do implicitly make one good point, unintentionally though they may be making it. Having them rescue the hobbits AFTER they destroyed the ring was a huge cop-out.
>>737014475War of the Rohirrim, probably.
>>737010039On the way to the black gate the force destroyed a small army trying to ambush it, so Sauron was actually two defeats deep. You could also count Saruman failing, losing the battle in the north against Dwarves and Elves, those stupid orcs getting the WRONG HOBBITS, getting chased out of Dol Guldur, and in general being unable to destroy the remnants of numenor for the past 3000 years.>>737014428They could easily make dozens of movies out of the material, but instead they make woke fanfics. im sure that the lotr movie written by stephen colbert will be good tho :^)
>>737004578Why? Gollum is pushed into the lava by G-d, why not just have G-d push the ring into the lava himself once Frodo gets it in there? That's even less of an intervention. If fact, why didn't G-d just push Isildur in back in the day? Would have avoided that whole nasty kerfuffle
>>737014575It's sort of a divine gesture after all the hard work was done from god. Similar to Gollum "slipping" into mt doom with the ring
If the ring resists destruction by any extant great power, why is simple lava strong enough?Lava isn't even that hot. Surely some dwarven forge runs hotter
>>737005353tolkienesque good is the absence of industry and war machines
>>737014728>why not just have G-d push the ring into the lava himself once Frodo gets it in there? I guess Eru only intervened once they were at the end of what they could possibly accomplish on their own. He was basically letting the story play out on its own until that very moment>why didn't G-d just push Isildur in back in the day?I don't think Isildur was ever inside Mount Doom to begin with
>>737002940The only real walking they do is from Rivendell to Moria. Most of the journey is spent gliding down a river.
>>737014969It was forged there, and only there can it be unmade.
>>737014969What part of "it's magic" don't you understand
>>737002940If I understand correctly the eagles are minor angels and carrying the guy that’s carrying the ring isn’t a hack, it still counts.
>>737014728why are you censoring the word God you petty kike? lmao>>737015050>I don't think Isildur was ever inside Mount Doom to begin withthere's a scene in the middle of the extended edition of Fellowship
>>737013771Sauron wasn't a giant flaming eyeball in the books. Imagine acktually.jpg here since the kike captcha won't let me post an image.
>>737015332>there's a scene in the middle of the extended edition of FellowshipI was talking about the books
>>737015050Isildur was proud and ambitious and would keep the ring, like how the numenorian kings before him became greedy and fell to ruin, and how the elves before him ventured out of Valinor to create new kingdoms which ended exactly like numenor did. Nargothrond fell because of pride, Gondolin because of lust, Doriath because of greed, Fingolfin and his kingdom out of despair, and everyone else out of treachery or wrath. Heroes like Beren, Earendil and Frodo succeeded through sacrifice, love, faith, humility, and divine grace.
>>737002940it's called plothole, Tolkien hated people asking this
>>737015495I always thought that was a strange response from him, because there seems to be many obvious arguments one can make against having the eagles fly to Mordor, many of them made ITT
>>737015495>Tolkien hated people asking stupid questionsYeah, me too
>>737002940I used to masterbate to the hobbit npc Angelica in the shire part of this game. Fuck she was so hot with her seductive bimbo voice as she begged you to stay in the shire instead of traveling away.
>>737002940>why doesn't [very easily corrupted being] just take the ring to mordor?the entire reason Frodo's doing it is because hobbits have an insane resistance to the rings influence
>>737015906post a picture of the NPC
>>737015345>sauron was a slave powered mechanical lighthouse in the books
>>737016534Sauron just sits in his NEET cave while shitposting on his palantir
>>737015345https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Eye_of_Sauron You made me check..there's an eye of some kind tho.
>>737004789This would hold some ground if in ROTK they didn't show up and one shot every one of the nazgul.
>>737016784In the books it's a symbol used by Sauron's forces to mark things. It barely comes up.
>>737016916Sure does, they're constantly worried that Sauron will perceive their presence.
>>737002940because then every waking moment would be dealing with the Nazgul for making themselves such a visible target, they would not be able to sneak into Mordor, and Gandalf sure as hell can't fight them
>>737016916I swear to god it's mentioned in the book when Frodo sits on the throne in Amon Hen, but it's been a while since I read them
>>737015495>But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.Blessed and Christ-pilled.
>>737004783because the demiurge isn't actually all powerful and all knowing, he just thinks he is
>>737002940Nigger it is blatantly stated to NOT be safer than traveling on foot you stupid fucking retard. Traveling by eagle means you're out in the open and Sauron's forces see you coming a mile away and then you've got the ringwraiths on your ass fucking your shit up.
>>737002940The eagles are a metaphor for the Americans joining WW1 near the end. Glad I could clear that up for you.
>>737012483>"i let myself get captured. i can run away any time i want"
>>737017934Eru is both all-knowing and all-powerful in Tolkien's world
>>737002940Are you implying the eagles wouldn't be corrupted by the ring?
>>737009821Yes it is. The Eye is what Sauron looks like in the spirit world. They just decided to take that and make it into a giant light house in the movie.
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>>737017934>because the demiurge isn't actually all powerful and all knowing, he just thinks he isbased gnosis-seeker>>737018139>Eru is both all-knowing and all-powerful in Tolkien's worldwhy do you think that? because your fancy book says that he is?
>>737014728illuvatar is not the same as the abrahamic god holy shit u guys are deranged
>>737010039The other anon is also correct though. Sauron was unable to comprehend of someone destroying the ring. He didn't even realize that was the plan until Frodo put the ring on inside mt doom. He assumed they would take the ring to gondor and that Aragorn would wield the ring against him. He never thought they would sneak a hobbit into his backyard to destroy one of the most powerful objects in history.
Thread's making me want to replay the CHRISTOPHER MY SON game and this time do the post game and DLCs. Talk me out of it.
>>737018139yeah, at least according to what his archons say
>>737004783Aule is just an angel, not God.
>>737003178You'd also know the eagles are scared of longbows. They're not invincible.
>>737018367Last time I played it, I remembered the controls feeling janky compared to assassin's creed
>>737004758>"Won"
>>737005257Gandalf's ring was fire, of the energy and enthusiasm sort. Which is how Theoden goes from depressed old man to running around wanting to suicide charge everything. He's not under Saruman's spell in the books, he's sad his son died and Grima keeps telling him how fucked they are.
>>737002940Never read the book but the movie shows they have like ballista arbalist shit and flying dragon things.Also the war in the north(?) Showed that Eagles can be captured by regular ass orcsz so they aren't THAT special
>>737005186>The other thing is that the Eagles could potentially have been corrupted by the ring as wellThat's how I always interpreted it. Frodo can carry it because Hobbits of the Shire, the jolly naive simpletons who enjoy a relatively carefree existence, are much harder for Sauron to corrupt. But almost everyone else who even comes within proximity of the One Ring gets corrupted into wanting its power. Boromir died for it. Gandalf knew damn well the danger of its power and told Frodo to not offer it. And it took the entire adventure for it to corrupt Frodo, and it took decades for it to corrupt Bilbo.If the Fellowship took the Eagles to Mordor the One Ring would very quickly corrupt them into dropping the Fellowship to their deaths, then collect the Ring from Frodo's corpse. Then it would've made its way back to Sauron, and Middle-Earth would've been completely conquered.
>>737018473>He's not under Saruman's spell in the booksAre you illiterate? The book very plainly lays out how Saruman's greatest power is manipulation through speech, and that Grima is just a mouthpiece of Saruman who is putting Theoden under Saruman's magical charismatic influence.
>>737009779>>737009882>>737010039It's about hubris, the most fundamental lesson that humans have been learning and forgeting since we started hitting each other with sticks.
>>737002940because of the giant fucking eye watching over Mordor
>>737002940>That would be, because Frodo, if Bilbo's dementia hadn't taken from him his memories of our adventures he'd have told you, I am friends with the king of the eagles, the last leader of his dying race, and his and my rescue from goblins and wargs was a considerable favor; even more-so was the favor of participating in the War of Five Armies, in which some may have even died by enemy arrows>I am quite literally straining my good graces with them to their breaking point, and I'm pretty sure that there is a severe theological dilemma in being responsible for their deaths, as they have no souls and are consigned to oblivion upon their expiry>You are, then, proposing you ride in the claws of a bird the size of a fighter jet... actually you wouldn't know what those are, just a really big bird; desperately cold and frostbitten by the altitude for some several hours at a time for several days, directly in sight of the adversary's literal gigantic seeing eyeball, in the hopes of flying over controlled airspace wherein he has literal evil dragon-creatures ridden by immortal lich knights at his command>Frankly, Frodo, the fact you feel I have not considered this possibility errs on the side of insulting. The best you can hope for is perhaps a lift back when Sauron is a smoldering pile of script rewrites and hatemail to Peter Jackson.
>>737009939>>737009821There is that one bit where Frodo looks up at the tower, and as the clouds part he sees a red light shining from the top of the tower pointing north. (I think this is while the Men of the West are at the Black Gate)
>>737010041the power of the ring consists of being able to dominate the will of others. a wielder will not acknowledge it, but they will be dominated by sauron as they dominate others, all while subtly bringing the ring closer to sauron himself
>>737003178seems like a copout. I know fuck all outside of the movies, but don't the eagles live in middle earth too? What happens if Sauron wins? do they think he will just leave them or the west alone?
>>737005029>the things they flyFun fact: The pterosaur-like "fell beast" that the Witch King rides is only ever referred to in the singular. The things the rest of the Nazgul ride ("Nazgul-birds" I think Tolkien referred to them as) are never described but might be like giant vultures. All evidence points to them not being the same thing.
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>>737011874>take zero responsibility for itThey went to war against him along with the Men, and they won. In the Third Age, they helped as well as they could given their diminished state and needing to defend their own borders against Sauron's attacks.
>>737003178Exactly.>middle EARTHName says it all. Eagles don't give a shit about that, they got middle sky. Sauron wouldn't even think about taking his pussy ass jewelry up there.
>>737005093>asking americans why they dont just work out and stop worshipping jews and child molestersSo basically the eagles are too concerned with their own immediate comfort?
>>737004758sort of, the US immediately betrayed us after the war and invited nazis into their government.
AND RAPE HIM THEY DID, AGAIN AND AGAIN, REPEATEDLY AND REPEATEDLY. THEY WOULD RAPE HIM TO DEATH'S DOOR, AND THEN NURSE HIM BACK TO HEALTH, AND THEN RAPE HIM BACK TO DEATH'S DOOR! THEY DID IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, THROUGHOUT THE CENTURIES.GANDALF-RAPING BECAME A TRADITION PASSED DOWN FROM ANCESTOR TO ANCESTOR, GENERATION TO GENERATION. A HOLIDAY WAS CREATED CALLED GANDALF RAPING DAY, AND ON THIS DAY, ONCE A YEAR, THEY WOULD STOP RAPING GANDALF AND NURSE HIM BACK TO HEALTH.BUT AS SURE AS THE SUN WOULD RISE THE NEXT DAY, THE RAPING WAS RIGHT BACK ON!UNTIL ONE DAY IN THE YEAR ELEVENTY-TWENTY-TEENTH, A MISCHEVIOUS YOUNG HOBBIT BY THE NAME OF GOODO FORGOT WHAT DAY IT WAS AND RAPED GANDALF ON GANDALF RAPING DAY, THUS NOT ALLOWING HIM TIME TO BE NURSED BACK TO HEALTH AND KILLING HIM.EVERYONE THOUGHR THIS WAS HILARIOUS AND ERECTED A GIANT STATUE OF GOODO THAT STANDS IN HOBBINGTON SQUARE TO THIS VERY DAY.THE END.
wasnt the original plan to use the eagles, but gandalf was afraid saruman would find out his plans and cause interference, so he kept it a secretits why they say "fly you fools!" before succumbing to the balrog
>>737011715Yeah they are.
>>737018294I think because even among unconventional ideas, that is one of the most unconventional someone could think of. Sauron would believe someone could get creative and toss the ring in the ocean or go deep into Moria and throw it into a chasm thousands of feet below. None of these would do any lasting damage to his plans, in fact it would be the equivalent of a roadblock that forces you to go 10 more miles to reach your destination. Or as others have said a powerful figure trying to use the ring. Even Gandalf or Galadriel trying to use it wouldn't scare him. Giving it to the most overlooked and in some cases unknown group of people in Arda for the sole purpose of its destruction is something he just couldn't wrap his head around....because it conflicts with everything hes seen or dealt with even the unorthodox. Also fuck these captchas and fuck this site.
>>737002940Eagles aren't flying horses
>>737005814>Gives the ring to Atomic Bombadil.Don't they explicitly consider that in the books only to say "Nah, fuck that, bombadil would lose track of the ringbecause he doesn't care about that shit, and sauron would still take over even if tom did keep track of the ring"
>>737020093>What happens if Sauron wins? do they think he will just leave them or the west alone?The trees had that same thought and would have left Saruman to win if they didn't by sheer dumb luck see that it was affecting them directly too. Its not a stretch to assume the eagles can have the same mindset.
>>737028896The eagles can fly and flee ME like the elves are doing. Ents are still holding out hope that the Ent-Wives will come back. Plus the trees need to be tended to and don't want to leave their homes. At the time only men wanted to truly fight for ME and the Wood Elves and a handful of dwarven clans. Everyone else was bailing out or coming to the realization that the end was nigh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3g6mFI4Fug
>>737002940go and read the silmarillion, the book of lost tales, the lays of beleriand, the treason of Isengard, beren and luthien, morgoths ring, the war of the jewels, the fall of numenor, and the children of hurin, then come back and tell me why you'd ask such an asinine question
>>737004614It worked for topgun maverick
>>737002940I recently learned that everything Gandalf did was his duty as the grey wizard. His job was to be an ambassador between the races and help them build alliances. So here he obviously wants them to travel together as a group so they can form a pecking order and build trust.
>>737024267I'VE GOT AN IRON PIPE THAT SAYS THIS FUCKER AIN'T MAGIC
>>737029235>The eagles can fly and flee ME like the elves are doingIf the eagles can do it too, then the elves going to the Undying Lands isn't some kind of magic thing? They're literally just sailing to a different continent?Why the fuck doesn't everyone do that? Boats aren't some secret elven technology.
>>737029641Humans are barred from entering Valinor. Exceptions can be made from great acts or heroes like Frodo, Bilbo and Sam who carried a ring of power and contributed to its destruction. Gimli is the only dwarf we know who tried and his ultimate fate is unknown.
>>737002940One of the eagles would've taken the ring and become a dark birdlord. Only hobbits are gay enough to carry the ring.
>>737029735Are Middle Earth and Valinor the only two continents on the planet?
>>737028635Correct, giving the ring to Tom, even if he was convinced to accept it and watch over it, would only delay Sauron's inevitable victory. The end result of the Council of Elrond is a hail-Mary plan to actually defeat Sauron, instead of waiting for him to inevitably grind down and conquer all of Middle Earth
>>737002940>Why can't we fly into enemy territory?>...Because they'll see us?>oh
>>737030576Of the top of my head theres just Dark Land and the place the Numenorians first settled in, which might have technically classified as an island. Dark Land iirc may have also been apart of Middle Earth like Beleriand was before the war between the Valar and Melkor.
>>737030649I feel like the ghost army could have been used to genocide Mordor and achieve a conventional victory, though.
>>737030576Valinor technically isn't even on the "planet" anymore. If anyone else but Elves tries to sail west off the coast of middle earth they will just end up back on the eastern side of the continent eventually. Only Elves and a very few approved people they bring with them can physically get there by boat.
>>737030760The ghost army worked vastly differently in the book. They weren't invincible physical fighters, they just helped Aragorn and company liberate the southern provinces of Gondor by scaring Sauron's forces shitless and allowing the Gondorians to counter attack. Aragorn releases them before they even get to Minas Tirith in the book.
>>737030760They can't really interact with anyone physically. They scare you to death and drive away anyone from the mountain they're holed up in. They also naturally couldn't be let go from the material world to pass on because they broke their vow and only a descendant of Isildur's line could do that.
>>737002940Anon, i just dont think that would have made an interesting story
>>737002940THIS IS MY BOOK, MOTHERFUCKERTHEY'LL WALK IF I TELL THEM TO
if LOTR released today it would not be seen as a masterpiece of fantasy. when you think about it, the books are boring and honestly very mid
>>737032127That's because people today are very low IQ (such as yourself) and don't like investing time into things because their dopamine sensors are fried.
>>737032191nah I prefer well written books. give anything written by Gene Wolfe over any book written by Tolkien>le hobbits love their gardens and din dins woweee gay as fuck
>>737003438>eagles>eating seed
>>737032592It's okay. There's plenty of slop out there for low IQ people like you to enjoy. I almost envy you in a way because the world is basically designed for people like you now.
Imagine if the humans and elves just did not let Mordor recover after Sauron was defeated the first time. They could have just occupied the region.
>>737033157That would be cheating.
>>737020093>seems like a copout. I know fuck all about global politics, but don't the americans live in the west too? What happens if Putin wins? do they think he will just leave them or the west alone?
>>737034789I didn't know putin could use the force. explains a lot desu
>>737032127You stand on the shoulders of giants
>>737033157Mordor was still an Evil land that nobody would willingly occupy. That said, Men did build outposts around it, but Gondor met hardship after hardship over the course of the Third Age and those were abandoned or overtaken (most notably Minas Ithil). Any settlements in Mordor would have gone the same way.
>>737034902Why not just exterminate the orcs?
>>737004490I always blamed people asking this question on their lack of imagination. Like you said, Saurons eye could have been a giant laser or if you take the more lose interpretation of the book where he is not literally a giant eye, eagles flying in to Mordor full of Nazgul and possibly other sky creatures seems extremely risky
>>737033157They did. Sauron's initial defeat was 3,000 years before the main events of the story. After the Battle of the Last Alliance, Gondor occupied Morder and created several border-fortifications, like the Black Gate, to keep whatever evil might reemerge at bay.Then Gondor had several thousand years of slow decline, war with neighboring human nations, civil war, and plague, capped off by Sauron and his servants constantly working to force them out of their border-regions. The siege of Minas Tirith in RotK is the culmination of a war Sauron had been waging for hundreds of years at that point, gradually degrading Gondor's defenses and pushing in their borders.
>>737034929Orcs are like roaches. If you miss a few they'll scatter to the ass-ends of the earth where nobody will want to go after them and hide until people let their guard down again.
>>737035035Sounds like Middle Earth is destined to belong to them then.
>>737034941And the ring would probably corrupt whatever eagles they are flying on
>>737032728Oh my...
>>737034941People get hung up on the Eye thing. Sauron is, in any case, also a powerful sorcerer who could do any number of nasty things to a flock of giant birds he could see flying into his heartland from miles away.
The other reason they walked to Mordor / didn't use the eagles was to keep a low profile.Sauron literally had eyes/ears everywhere. Eagles making a beeline for Mordor would immediately grab his attention.The Council of Elrond created the Fellowship to be as unremarkable as possible while still being strong enough to protect Frodo. One of the candidates for joining was the Elven hero Glorfindel, but they decided adding him would definitely draw too much of Sauron's direct attention. No one knew Strider was Aragorn yet, and the son of a steward, Mirkwood prince, and Gloin's son wouldn't cause a stir. The biggest name in the Fellowship was Gandalf, but Gandalf traveling with a band of misfit adventurers is what he does on the regular so Sauron wouldn't think that much of it either.Stealth was important to the mission and the Eagles aren't stealthy.
>>737035061Orcs aren't capable of being much more than bandits in the hills without an overlord willing them to organize and (apparently) multiply.
>>737035061Middle Earth is our earth in pre-historic times. Tolkien made a timeline which dictates what happens over the millennia leading up to modern times. >Elves leave completely>Dwarves, hobbits, orcs and any magical creatures die out>Men inherit the planet
>just send the eagles, bro
>>737036179I know you're just baiting but it still made me slightly angry. Good job anon.
>>737036435Anon, that post was entirely true.
>>737036179Made me remind of the lyrics of the song Old Age Of Wonders (by Rhapsody of Fire). not related to LoTR, tho
>>737036578Doubling down makes the bait worse anon. You gotta let it stand on its own.
>>737036179I hate that timeline.
>>737036435>And the line of Dain prospered, and the wealth and renown of the kingship was renewed, until there arose again for the last time an heir of that House that bore the name of Durin, and he returned to Moria; and there was light again in deep places, and the ringing of hammers and the harping of harps, until the world grew old and the Dwarves failed and the days of Durin’s race were ended.-The Peoples of Middle Earth, Chapter IX: “The Making of Appendix A : (iv) Durin’s Folk”>The Third Age came to its end in the War of the Ring, but the Fourth Age was not held to have begun until Master Elrond departed, and the time was come for the dominion of Men and the decline of all other ‘speaking-peoples’ in Middle-earth.-LOTR, Appendix B, ‘The Tale of Years’-The Peoples of Middle Earth, Chapter IX: “The Making of Appendix A : (iv) Durin’s Folk”I'm not baiting. Every race besides humans died off over an incredibly long time.
>>737036779>people eventually dying means it akshually took place here just a long time ago!
>>737036179Wait, if hobbits don’t exist then what is Kim kardasion?
>>737036882>>737036762>"And though I have not attempted to relate the shape of the mountains and land-masses to what geologists may say or surmise about the nearer past, imaginatively this ‘history’ is supposed to take place in a period of the actual Old World of this planet."Letter 165>The Lord of the Rings may be a ‘fairy-story’, but it takes place in the Northern hemisphere of this earth: miles are miles, days are days, and weather is weather.Letter 210>"Arda ‘realm’ was the name given to our world or earth, as being the place, within the immensity of Eä..."Letter 211The entire framing of the story is that it's an ancient creation myth/ancient story that Tolkien's translated from a lost language into English. He has a lot of obscure lore about that, like the Hobbits' real names. He's said explicitly that the idea is that it takes place on Earth in the far-distant, imagined past. It's like Conan in that regard.I know you're the one baiting but I felt it worth saying anyways.
>>737036897She's a woman with a fake ass married to a black nazi rapper. Not sure what you're implying.
>>737039367Fucking zoomers
>>737002940this game looks so much worse than the Sierra Hobbit game.
>>737039720It took this long for someone to mention the game lmao
>>737009939he's not literally an eye, but it's a part of his power, being able oversee everything he rules. Frodo does the same when he uses the ring before boromir bites it
