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>>737025449Sorry, I can't read Spanish.
Snowgrave is the only interesting part about Deltarune.
Tranny general
the shitty thing about this game being released in chapters is that creepy pasta stuff happening like this is meaningless when it's all separated out between 2 year gaps as the next one is deceloped
This scene right here is genuinely what I think Toby is hinting the rest of the Weird Route will be like. The fate is the same for both the weird and normal route, it was ALWAYS going to be the same. So what’s the point of doing anything if we’re just being led to a tragic ending anyways? But remember, that’s the supposed “appeal” of the weird route, many have theorized that the weird route might actually prevent the roaring because it’s all about “bending this worlds rules” including the prophecy. The problem with that line of thinking is that, thematically, it defeats its whole purpose as a contrast to how you choose to act in the normal route. When you genuinely cared for these characters, listened to them, sat with their pain instead of skipping past it, that ending, despite it being tragic, carries weight you can actually feel. Because you earned it. You showed up for people who needed you, even knowing it wouldn’t change anything.The weird route isn’t a smarter playthrough. It’s just a lonelier one. You used people. You cut corners. You kept yourself emotionally at arm’s length so nothing could touch you, and nothing did. You reach the same ending completely hollow. What you chose along the way isn’t remembered by the story. It’s remembered by you. And you’ll feel the difference the second that ending screen hits.The game was never asking can you change what happens. It was asking who are you when you can’t.>>737025631I agree with this, snowgrave’s conflict of Player vs. Vessel is a lot more interesting, and I think it’s also a lot more faithful to the themes of the game than the normal route
>Deltarune fans>I’ve been reflecting on what truly defines a "masterpiece" in today’s landscape, and I’m thrilled to share why I believe Deltarune is a masterclass in innovation and storytelling>Deltarune fans 10 minutes later>DEER PUSSY DEER PUSSY RAPE RALSEI BOYPUSSY RAPE DEER SEX LIZARD PUSSY DEER PUSSY RAPE MILF DEER PUSSY SANS UNDERTALE DEER RAPE PUSSY DEER DEER DEER PUSSY RAPE
>>737026195you don't understand how badly i need deer pussy
>>737025449deltarune makes me want to be a better person sorry for being a fag
>>737026487You don't have to "be a better person", you need to accept who you are and say yes to life even, even to the ugly parts
>>737025865I believe that there will be no differences is a lie based on simple things like how our choices change things already.
>>737026195Hey now, I wouldn't rape Ralsei. Goatboy deserve some lovey-dovey missionary while holding hands
Whats happening in OP's pic? Ive never seen that before
>>737026648Yes, our choices DO matter, they really do! Your choice to abuse and rape the ever-loving shit of Noelle is clearly having an impact on the story, Susie's and Ralsei's arc don't seem as complete, the ending of Chapter 4 is different for the Weird Route, and the conflict between the Player and the Kris is turned up to 11 because now the Player is acting like a genuine obstacle to Kris's plans rather than just his tool.But then, making different choices don't necessarily mean having the same outcome, and I think that's the theme Toby Fox is going for here.Deltarune actually reminds me of the tale of Oedipus Rex, a Greek classic considered one of the best, most rich stories to ever grace humanity. Oedipus is destined by fate to kill his father and marry his mother, and in the act of trying to avoid fate he ends up fulfilling it, but not because he was "compelled to" by external forces but because that's what his FREE WILL was genuinely doing, everything Oedipus does in the tale is by his own free will, even with his fate being sealed by a prophecy.Now DELTARUNE borrows from that in the sense that YES the fate is immutable, it's written in the stained-glass of the church and there is no denying this prophecy is absolutely correct, whatever Susie saw on the last act of Chapter 4 IS what is going to happen, but that moment, when it finally does come, is gonna have a very different context depending on what you, the player, by your own free will, decided to do. Did you decide to cherish and love these characters, or did you decide to treat them as pawns to avoid fate? Because in either of those, the ending will still be the same, but the consequences of your actions will not, and I can see the normal ending of Chapter 4 being the Fun Gang in a loving embrace being glad that, although they ultimately lost, they wouldn't have it any other way (Or, at least, something that is comparable in tone). While the other ending being... well the complete opposite.
>>737027181https://youtu.be/QUitEgfFqiE?t=142
>>737027181Exclusive scene in chapter 4's weird route. The idea is that Kris's will is absolutely determined to not let Susie know what is going on between Kris, the Player, and Noelle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekiwP9NUT8s
Normal ending is a loop where you return to chapter 1. Weird route is an actual conclusive end.
>>737027374The ending will be the same regardless of route, everyone is gonna roll their eyes but the real lesson of the game is that although you cannot change fate, you can always love those near you
>>737027324>The idea is that Kris's will is absolutely determined to not let Susie know what is going on between Kris, the Player, and Noellewhy did you have to add your baseless headcanon there?
>>737025865>When you genuinely cared for these characters, listened to them, sat with their pain instead of skipping past it, that ending, despite it being tragic, carries weight you can actually feel. Because you earned it. You showed up for people who needed you, even knowing it wouldn’t change anything.>The weird route isn’t a smarter playthrough. It’s just a lonelier one. You used people. You cut corners. You kept yourself emotionally at arm’s length so nothing could touch you, and nothing did. You reach the same ending completely hollow.I resent that.I'm just as invested in both routes, and it never was a matter of finding the "smart" or "right" playthrough.
I really wanna know if the aborted weird route is going to be its own thingLike having Noelle being interested Kris without forcing her to wear the thorn ringChildhood human/anthro relationships hits me right in the feel
>>737027514Because it's quite literally what is happening? Susie asks you and Kris a question, and Kris is quite literally forcing his mouth shut so YOU don't answer, this kind of dialogue box fuckery actually happens right before this scene, where Kris's will is strong enough to give you so many opportunities to abort the weird route, and even outright pleading you to not do this through the dialogue box. Now a headcanon would be me telling you that I think Kris is a heccin wholesome queer non-binary schizophrenic just like me!!!! But I'm not a braindead fucking tranny so I don't say that kind of shit
>>737027560Sorry, but the moment you're not raping the childhood friends Suselle come back. I don't make the rules.
>>737027730>all baseless assumptions that could be interpreted other waysagain, what is this headcanon? at least say>It might mean that Kris's will is absolutely determined to not let Susie know what is going on between Kris, the Player, and Noelle.so it comes off as the headcanon that it is instead of as a factual truth
The ending is that you quit the game. The angel (you) is banished, you delete your save file. That's the ending. The state of the world at the ending can be very different depending on route. But you stop playing. That's the one ending.
>>737027532>I resent that.>I'm just as invested in both routes, and it never was a matter of finding the "smart" or "right" playthrough.I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but Toby probably has different ideas. I think Toby Fox is the kind of guy who really does think that fictional characters exist to a certain extent, and that the label of fictional is really just a name, and that in some degree, characters are real. We are certainly more real than characters, but then compare a rock to a mathematical theorem, which one is REALER? You might want to say the rock, because you can touch it, but you can also break a rock, can you break a mathematical theorem? It's not really who's more or less real but rather that some things exist in different levels of what it means to be REAL, that is, reality. So, to some extent, fictional characters ARE real, and I think that's why Toby is so careful even for meta stuff like what characters get plushies, he doesn't want any plushies of Lightners because he believes they ARE real to some extent.
>>737027807>so it comes off as the headcanon that it is instead of as a factual truthOk? Explain to me what is "the factual truth" in Deltarune because from every single possible analysis of Deltarune it's quite clear it's a deeply interpretative story, this obsession with what is "canon" and "headcanon" doesn't really apply when we're trying to interpret what just went on rather than making up entirely new information with presented info (Like Dess's story, her appearance, why she is missing, etc). This binary of headcanon vs canon doesn't really help any discourse to understand what a certain scene, like that one, means. It's generally what happens when people are more interested in the LORE of the game rather than its THEMES. You can't really interpret lore to the same extent you would interpret themes, because themes are inherently philosophical.
>>737027913>The angel (you) is banished, you delete your save filespeaking of which i noticed something fucky about the loading save menu; when part 3&4 came out, i started over from the beginning because I missed a lot of content. I deleted my old save and made a new one in a different slot. The slot the old save was in was all black and unselectable.
>>737027916 It's the Lightners/Darkners situation with a different order of magnitude.
>>737028093what the heck, screencrap?
>>737028081the only issue with your post is that you said it as if it was 100% confirmed and factual instead of what you think MIGHT be what isi'm doing a public service here, talking about headcanons as if they were 100% confirmed created a lot of delusions and retardation within the fandom
>>737025865thanks chatGPT
>>737028269You keep insisting the story is an objective thing you can measure, there aren't really any "facts" or "non-facts" on interpretations of that scene.
>>737027916>is the kind of guy who really does think that fictional characters exist to a certain extentis that why his fandom is filled with people who think that drawing porn of fictional characters makes you worse than actual pedophiles?
>>737028338acting like there's no objective truths in stories only makes things even more retarded, you're arguing that any theory is canon if you believe in it hard enough
>>737028416Well there ARE objective truths, I'm not arguing against that, I am arguing against this binary thinking that what is factual is only what is explicitly explained and told rather than what is implied or what you have to read between the lines. Just read between the lines nigga, just like how you KNOW how someone is feeling just by looking at them rather than having them STATE and EXPLAIN what they're feeling
>>737028404The interesting thing is that Toby really doesn't give a fuck whether you draw porn of his characters or not.
For me, it's the Executive Buffet.
>>737028562I always thought he was like Oda where he's like, "I don't care if you do because that's the nature of the internet, but I consider these characters my children so it does weird me out a bit"
>>737028610Do they really serve ice cream like that?
>>737025697It's really the opposite: creepypasta shit in one-and-done games burn out faster since there's nothing more to add aside from discovering smaller hidden details over time, meanwhile drip-feed developing the creepypasta over time only gives people a reason to stay hooked and expand their theories about it. It's almost definitely at least part of why Toby is okay with dragging out his development of some silly SNES game.
>>737027736Canine hands typed this, I'm sure you made them.
>>737027440>the real lesson of the game is that although you cannot change fate, you can always love those near youstupid and wrong on both counts, thanks for the lesson toby
>>737025631Snowgrave only truly reaches its peak after you've experienced the sanitized normal route.
>>737028618As if that dog isn't constantly pushing for Ralsei to be sexualized.
>>737029314As opposed to?
the ending will be retarded and will disappoint you. remember that this contains homestuck genes as much as some would try and deny it
>>737028618>Oda gets weirded outOda literally answers sexual questions about his charactersIn the last questionairre Oda confirmed that Nami does not wear panties in her current outfit which is a loincloth skirtAnd Luffy can gear 3rd his dick
>>737030501Meh. I'm here for the journey, not the ending.
>>737025449oh my bad bunny is that a heckin earthbound clone about depression and being gay in current year??
>>737030690>implying what the troons make out of this game is the actual intentionlike I said this game is closer to oedipus rex than the average troonslop
>>737030764Stop feeding the trollsThey can't be reasoned
>>737030784Stop seedhing the shills then.
>>737030836Are you having a stroke?
>>737025449Jackenstien predicted all of this, you know.
>>737030973either chapter 6's boss is the knight or a horse
>>737031034>The Knight takes off their helmet>It's a Horse monster you've never seen beforeImagine the meltdown.
>>737026342She looks so skinny I bet you'd be able to see your dick bulging in her abdomen
>>737030973>King Crown, Queen Crown, Knight, Bishop/Tower, Flower, Pick up the Key, but you have no route forward.>Have to backtrack to at least Knight to leave, likely going out through the Sword>Gerson's Book 6 "Never Happened" and ended in Book 5Motherfucker, is Toby saying that shit ends in 5 and we have to somehow change the outcome of chapter 3 to proceed to chapter 6?
>>737030973I don't get it, how is this supposed to show the progression of each chapter's boss
>>737031082aaron knight theory
>>737031407Probably something like this
>>737028562I was gonna ask how would you anons feel if someone were to make porn of your characters that's from your PG-13 work, but then I realized it's pointless to ask that since I'm posting in a den of degenerates and everyone would unanimously would say they would be happy about it, so nevermind
>>737030973Will there be a way to bee-line from Ch.1 to the ending? That strange ??? Area definitely was odd.I feel the game ends there considering Kris' preexisting save.
>>737032741>implying any of my OCs would be part of something PG13Aspiring game dev hereEvery character's cock is going to be seen and unique and there's a penis washing mini game
How would a Spanish language translation even work for these games? Everything is gendered, you would be forced to call the player a he or her.
>>737032741the "you're not allowed to draw porn of my OCs!" rule falls out the window when you start putting your OCs in a paid product.
>>737030501Don't forget he's wearing his MOTHER 3 inspirations right on his sleeve. We're getting our epilogue, the idea that "the story will go on" but the moment Kris starts to genuinely reconcile with (You) and consider you a friend, or Susie invites you to come along for the next type of bullshit everyone gets up to, your connection will be terminated, as such things are beyond the parameters of your given device.
>>737027309>Kris interferes with the dialogue options
>>737033053>Every character's cock is going to be seen>not leaving it to the audience's IMAGINATIONYou still got more lessons to learn from Toby>>737033161>"you're not allowed to draw porn of my OCs!" rule Is that real rule people tried to enforce?Maybe because I don't spend enough time on the net, but the only time I've people tried enforce that rule is Bendy, and well, it was about as effective as you would expect
>>737032741Toby has literally called himself the "king of ero games"Why is it so hard to believe that he's a coomer, there's also that old screencap of him replying to some art of Asriel without pants where he didn't seem to care that it was something lewd
>>737033525Anon, reread the post againIt wasn't about Toby
>>737033425>>not leaving it to the audience's IMAGINATIONHow else am I supposed to sell custom made dildos of them
>>737033839I think I'm too sheltered to know whether what you said is common or not in the porn game scene
>>737027229well put. i think it's weird how many people think the game will let you defy the prophecy, not even having to get shadow crystals or eggs or whatever. speaking of, what do you think those will do?
>>737025449YES SUSIE, YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT WE'RE ''TALKING'' ABOUT, WHY SHE WANTED TO BE ALONE WITH ME, YOU WANNA KNOW?SWEET DOE handholding
>>737027913the angel's banishment happens before the final tragedy, that can't be it
>>737033979It's not to my knowledge I'm just weird
>>737033089we have our own new retarded pronouns but the most famous spanisn fan translations you just he/him for Kris because nobody gives a fuck.
>>737033089There's no solution that makes everyone happy.If you just go the natural "assume he/him until stated otherwise" route you piss off snowflakes and "contribute to the problem" because now ESLs are coming in calling Kris a guy because of the translation they used, and the mentally ill spics don't feel represented in their home language.If you go the neo-words "elle/amige/etc" route you piss off majority spics and "contribute to the problem" because now you're trying to force native tongues to twist into gringo ideologies instead of accepting that "is not that deep, just call the chinaman that's sometimes a blueberry a boy".
>>737025449So what is that? Just Kris seething with rage so hard he has no response?
>>737034506Not necessarily. The angel part of the prophecy is so well hidden that it might as well be part of the weird route instead.
>>737036158Nobody knows. The exact extend of power Kris has over us and the other way around (whenever the author wants us to, that is) is a complete mystery.
>>737032741Funny little thing about that, anon.As soon as you let someone else know about your OCs, you gotta be able to deal with the fact they will play around with them in ways (You) might disapprove. Sometimes that means really retarded headcanons, other times it's just OOC porn.
>>737037595Gaster is going to inject himself with Integrity's serum?!
>>737032741Only PG-13?
>>737031463>Boy, this boss fight really made me work up a sweat ;)Perfect, I want this
>>737031689>top right>five eggs
>>737036158My theory is Susie asking what Kris and Noelle were doing prompted the option box to appear as a way to answer her question, but because answering would be counter-productive to what we're trying to achieve, there are no options, forcing Kris to remain quiet. The slight tint and the rain stopping could be a side effect of messing with the rules of the world. Option boxes already tend to freeze the world in place, this just makes it obvious.As to who or what did it, I would say it was the soul going off predetermined programming.
>>737025697You can say this about all of Deltarune. The WAIT is a poison to the game.
>>737039221>Kris wants to say nothing>Soul wants to say nothing>So they do nothing
Toby Fox will never finish Deltarune. He already has your money. He has no incentive to finish the game.Instead, he will spend the rest of his life obsessively searching for remixes of his music on YouTube to copyright claim.
>>737027916>I think Toby Fox is the kind of guy who really does think that fictional characters exist to a certain extent, and that the label of fictional is really just a name, and that in some degree, characters are real.I was gonna say this line of thinking is completely insane, completely out of touch with reality and a genuine sign of mental illness, and there's no way this is his actual reasoning, but like you mentioned, he refuses to give certain characters plushies for unspecified reasons, and I think those reasons might very well have something to do with this line of thought, so I cannot deny that this is what he intends, as ridiculous as it seems to me.
>>737026195This is literally me but with human pussy. Sometimes I can make wall of texts discussing the game and others I just want to fuck my humans.
>>737027181It's a weird route exclusive scene. Susie asks Kris a question and instead of the normal menu showing up, nothing happens like in OP's pic.>>737027324That other anon is right, you shouldn't add your headcanon into it.
>>737025449
How hard do you think it is for a straight male to get a Deltarune gf
>>737040117So it might be susie trying to susie her way on the story like she does but the soul kinda blocks that because deer pussy made it stronger?
How do you think Noelle will act at the festival in ch. 5’s weird route?
>>737027229Even with the final tragedy, the prophecy literally states the worlds are saved and the heroes win. The gang isn't losing, they're just going to suffer>>737034269Not him but people think that the prophecy will defied because that's the entire arc of Susie and Gerson in Chapter 4. It's all about how you can't follow the prophecy blindly and need to write your own story. Since Deltarune is about interpretation of a work I assume it's going to be how they interpret the final tragedy. Probably in a way they don't get fucked.
>>737040334More that it's overlay used in Susie scene
>>737040143Depends. How old are you?
Kris and Dess's plan is to protect Noelle by replacing her as The Girl With Hope Crossed On Her Heart. They chose Susie as the replacement because nobody cared about her. That's what makes the drama of Deltarune so juicy, is that everything is actually going great except that Kris accidentally became Susie's best friend. However, I think Kris and Dess's plan fails on regular route. The prophecy comes true, Noelle goes angelic, and the team has to fight her. On weird route, the player expresses a fascination or obsession with Noelle. I think Weird route is an expression of the player insisting on keeping Noelle and finding that to accomplish this she needs to, well, become stronger.
>>737027374>>737027913These are all hack endings and probably won't happen. Toby has more self-respect of actually making an ending rather than avoiding it.
>>737040143I'd imagine a lot of the terminally online weird girls like or have the capability of liking DeltaruneJust that they generally are usually going it be some flavor of lgbt, aren't the social type or are not adults so actually finding a suitable dating partner from that pool is hard
>My full name? Susie Lennon-McCartney
>>737034301the fuck? why can't I open this image?
>>737040958Concerned Susie stare is cursed, like the Araki donut pic.
>>737027916>I think Toby Fox is the kind of guy who really does think that fictional characters exist to a certain extent, and that the label of fictional is really just a name, and that in some degree, characters are real.That depends on the character. Toby only doesn't make merch of the Deltarune lightners and Chara, as well as avoids using Frisk's name so maybe he only sees these characters as more real. He is willing to make merch of most regular Undertale monsters.>>737039815I think it's that Toby thinks fictional characters affect (you) and thus he doesn't want to dilute what they mean. I don't think Toby genuinely thinks the drawing is a real person but he is autistic about them so he probably thinks having a Chara or Kris plush makes their role in his story less meaningful. It's just high tier autism
