Its honestly still the best soulsborne game. If it had the combat of the later games nobody would even debate this since that is the only thing the later games ever truly improved upon other than graphics.
>>737027975Yeah, it's pretty good.
Also minus Lost Izalith. I can agree that level has the shittiest of shit design but after you play the game enough you can easily get through it so its not nearly as bad. In an ideal world Lost Izalith could have been the best area/levels in the game.
Is it really the OOT of the modern era?
>>737028742no. oot is more about puzzle solving and level layout
>>737027975>If it had the combat of the later games nobody would even debate thisDogshit take,it's good because it has it's own combat system, has poise and it's own aura
>>737028870>and level layoutDark Souls is very much about level layout
>>737028742A decent game at the time that is insanely overrated for years to come? Maybe
>>737027975I played all the souls games for the first time a couple of years ago (including bb, sek and er) and I say:>DeS=BB>DaS=Das2>SeK>ER>>>>>>>>>>>>>DaS3
>>737029632Sekiro isn't a souls game, it's a tenchu-like
>>737029632I played all of them on releaseDs1 > Ds3 > ER > Des > BB > Ds2Ds1 mogs all other sovl games even with most of the second half being unplayable trash. Ds3 is fine, but boring and too balanced. ER has variety, but the map is repetitive and exploration is shallow after a while. DeS is okay, but a rough prototype. BB is bland and only overrated because sonyfags started with it. Ds2 is a clusterfuck, no redeeming qualities.
The DLC bosses are better than just about all the main game bosses. It seems pretty clear they got what worked and what didn't work when they made that DLC at least in regards to the boss fights.
>>737027975nah it if had different combat it would be worse,all it lacks is polish around Lost Izalith and Cathedral/Crystal Cave
>>737029632>DaS=DaS2lol no fucking way faggot. But at least you got DeS, BB and DaS above the rest which I agree with. Although DeS is at this point too basic imo. My ranking would be:DaS > BB > DeS > DaS3 > ER >>>>>>> DaS2I cannot count Sekiro. Might as well also count Armored Core 6 while we are at it if that is the case.
>>737029632>>DaS=Das2>Enemies that can run in the water while you remain slow>small arena boss fights>small arena boss fights surrounded with poison>poison sticks to you even when you heal and keeps increasing the gauge>invisible enemies>unfair swarms of enemies ganking you>empty spaces baiting you for a gank squad to jump you>unfair fast enemies distracting you from the squad of turtle armor one shotting you>dark favelas with shooting poison darts with hollows waiting to push you over the ledge
>>737030845Lost Izalith and the Crystal Cave is really the only true black mark on the levels. The level leading Ash Lake as well as Ash Lake itself is more like a nice hidden easter egg kind of area and for vibes. So it gets a pass mostly although it is bullshit going back up the tree if you don't want to use a homeward bone. Blightown is fine since its a callback to Valley of Defilement from DeS although imo DeS had the better levels here as far as the poison swamps go. Valley of Drakes is also more like a connecting zone for the other levels. Dukes is fine, Tomb of Giants is also fine.So yeah its really only the Cave and Izalith that suck and for Izalith its clearly due to the game being rushed. Although I am sure that this area was always intended to be huge since there are trees and lava in this area as well as Bed of Chaos. The dragon legs are of course also a shit addition. As for the cave, its just shitty in its simple design and you can also slide off in some spots too easily.
>>737031157>Blightown is fine since its a ripoff of Valley of Defilement from DeSWhy does it get a pass?
>>737031126DaS2 doesn't even feel like some B-team made it. It actually feels like some AA western developer made it instead. It seems so off compared to the first game even thematically. Like its some western take on the Dark Souls series.
>>737031368I would not say its a ripoff. Poison swamps are kind of like a signature specialty for these games. They aren't always the exact same but even the first Armored Core had something like this if I remember right. So its sort of like how they like to bring back the Moonlight Greatsword in various incarnations. Its just a thing they like to do. And Blightown is different enough even thematically that I don't see any issue with its existence in the game. The only thing that ruined it was the framerate which is no longer an issue unless you want to play on old hardware.
>>737031397No not really, ds2 doesn't have any trannies or black worship propaganda, the des remake showed us what westerner devs would do to a souls game
>>737031397Your post doesn't feel like it was made by someone with a brain. Like some braindead fucking retard is behind it.
>>737031509I believe you are a little dishonest here, at the end of the VoD you fight maiden astraea, the magnum opus boss fight of the game, at the end of blightown you fight some literal who spider, not sure why you even brought up the swamps, the meat and potatoes of blightown is the busted up buildings ripped off from the VoD not the swamp, the swamp is a 3 minute walk to the boss.If VoD did not exist, you can give blightown a pass but since it's an inferior copy of a better level, you can't honestly claim it's good game design, a lot of criticism the des remake got was it copying and butchering the original game, when Ds1 does it, it has to be called out too
Uncs like DaS1 because its easy mode, enemies are easy to cheese, you can get a dark knight and havel armor in first 20 minutes and ride that to endgame. It's kind of embarrassing, really.
>>737031530Eh fair enough but DaS2 does still feel very generic in a lot of ways compared to the other games. Like the lion warriors or that medusa snake boss. Some of the areas also look incredibly uninspired although that might have a lot to do with the fact they had to greatly downgrade the games lighting and graphics prior to release. Even now that pre-release build would look good.
>>737028742Dark Souls is 15 years old, it's retro.
>>737031805>some literal who spiderlol what? Did you even pay attention to the story of the game? And yeah I can claim that the level design is good. I am not saying its peak or the best or anything. But its actually decent. Maybe middle of the road for the game but that is because there are other levels that are great level design like the painted world and undead parish. And of course this is contrasted by the worst level design in the game which is lost izalith.
>>737032352Why do you keep attacking Lost Izalith, yes it fails but at least it tries, it's an original take design wise and it because it fails at what it tries to do, a lazy approach would be to shove dragons all over a lava area, DS1 takes the opposite approach and entertains enemies malformed by chaos, it became iconic, the spider is not iconic or has any major lore implications, oh it's a witch of chaos and her sister is blind, no ever brings it up, it's an inferior level to the Valley of Defilement cause for one you can nearly skip blightown if you got the master key and second of all it suffered from low fps>Inb4 it's good nowYeah but it doesn't excuse it, the spider will always be inferior to Maiden Astraea, the soundtrack, the design, the aura, the boss killing herself after you wack her knight, everything is perfect Vs a spider with a spear
