How do you feel about them? Official internally known as LARP. All in Fire Emblem Gaiden. Go play it.
>>737034719Can you try that again in English?
>>737034719conquest relay. did like 20 minutes of preparation.
>>737037739early promote kills these guys
>>737037794had arthurs inventory on azura so that she could hand it over to camilla
>>737037962would be nice to have someone who can use bows
divine dragon
>>737038145the unit piles near the front 2 chokepoints doesn't bode well for when the waters drain
Fire emblem
>>737038416which is worth more? dual club or dracoshield?
>>737038642I'll get the dracoshield for now if only to also kill oboro on a counter who would be a pain if she was allowed freedom to rush at my units
>>737038691i hate seal defense
>>737038906that's a lot of guys
>>737039061perichads win again
>>737034719Possibly the biggest upgrade compared to Gaiden.Genny went from generic pink hair with ponytail to cute fluffy goddess
>>737039187good news, corrin can get the dual club this turnbad news, the green points are swarming with enemies and azura is at low health. one stray ranged attack and she'll have to dodge or die
>everyone paired up>getting gibbed by chapter 10Quelle surprise.
>>737039259oh man look at that. solved. just going to move corrin to get the dual club after maybe a check to see if it's safe but it should be with the dragonstone and evasive partner.
>>737039379losing one unit isn't the end of the world. getting all 4 houses is nice. most of the backpack units are at low health and would just die if they got attacked. you want me to leave level 1 mozu open to attack? chapter 11: https://litter.catbox.moe/se3rg2te2ovmi2ps
fire emblem
the sacred stones
>>737035236Lukas, Alm, Reinhardt, Silquealso known as LARP (ignore that last one)
>>737038429Last FE girl you saved
The most hype prep music ever fvarkhttps://youtu.be/94gLmK80ew0
>>737043685its good, but for me its engage while posing my characters from the inventoryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qMm19qmztU
engage prep theme is up there with mgsvhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCNTKwIc05I
>>737043573
>>737044649I would gladly bear the Divine One's burdens.
>>737039379I never understood the "Fates is a pair up game" dogma, in many situations having people freed up to clear enemies was immensely helpful.
>>737044708you need to get in line
i cant believe they perfected the fire emblem
>>737044884it depends on the situation.5 reinforcements just spawned in right where your units are? attack stance is generally better. bunch of overlapping ranges? defense stance so whoever you place in that range takes less damage or deals more, and blocks some attacks with shield gauge
>>737044884It's just a laziness thing, same as the javcav meme for other games. If you don't care about turn count or side objectives, you can easily just safely pull everything with a paired up juggernaut, because pair up bonuses and guard gauge are just that good.
>>737045458Well yes that was my point, it depends on the situation. Though usually I have at least 2 units, generally archer/mage, free even if everyone else is paired up.
>>737045114Can't believe the only way to make Alear popular was to turn her into a ditzy bimbo and put her in a skimpy bikini
>>737046239she always was hot
>>737046113Ch 10 is a map where you should have a couple units paired up the entire time (for example nos Odin) because they're always fighting several enemies at once. But if you have everyone paired up even with few enemies nearby you're just throwing away action economy and damage for no reason.
Periodic reminder that Neimi is really fucking good (capped STR btw).
>>737046093>turn countFates is faster with pair up. Attack stance is extremely turn inefficient.
how the fuck do you consistently protect zephiel in BBD?jaffar got hit once, decided to fuck off to the left and heal, then a single mercenary got through to zephiel right before i could block the way and one rounded him.
>>737037794Her early promote doesnt give her offensive parameters iirc, just a bunch of str def and speed. movement i guess.>>737037739I always do promoted odin and nyx or felicia to the right, silas and corrin clear fighters turn 1 on the bottom right, effie with a javelin and arthur pair up to the bottom left to 1 shot the debuff squad and then niles moves down to kill the lancers on turn 2. No archer rip.>>737037962With a speed tonic or an iron axe she can 1 round oboro IIRC and avoid the debuffs. I NEVER send selena down there because she can 1 round archers with just 1 str tonic or handle the onis with just beruka pair up. Shes clutch as fuck this chapter.>>737038145Didnt clear enough space, rip. Thats why corrin and silas need to kill all the lunge fighters turn 1 to make the bottom section free.>>737038906Massive pileup on the right just waiting to fuck you after the takumi dragon vein.>>737039584Noice
>>737051191I dunno about 'consistently,' but send your entire squad right save maybe one juggernaut to go left. Multiple 8-move units, Ninian dances and rescue chains should get you there in a timely manner.
>>737051191Bring a mount with a 2-use or higher chest key on the right side. They can open the Rescue staff chest by turn 6, which is the earliest point Zephiel can be at significant risk of death if Jaffar was forced to heal on turn 1. This will convoy warp it to Merlinus and from there Pent can use it to keep Zephiel safe for the rest of the map. If Jaffar didn't run off to heal immediately, you have about a turn extra of leeway.
>>737051732How do you deal with maxime on the left? Just avoid him entirely? It wastes at least a turn to kill him with his 62 hp
>>737052195>Just avoid him entirely?This. He doesn't move without a target, so there's no reason to ever enter his range.
Marriage with Marianne!
>>737043123wtf are you talking about. how are you so bad at communicating. Yes we see those are FE characters. Yes we recognize them (we clicked on this thread because we recognized them) but no no one knows what you are talking about.
>>737052195You can sleep him on turn 1
>>737043123>ReinhardtHe's not even from Gaiden, retard.
its that mysterious dancer
The fuck's happening in this thread
>>737054902Yunaqua!
>>737057232>Yunaqua!
Aqua
If
French Supremacy
Where’s the Fortune’s Weave news!
>>737050780>I gave her all the resources and grinded her please take my scrimblo seriouslynah
>>737050780>>I gave her all the resources and grinded her please take my scrimblo seriouslyOf course
>>737050780>>>I gave her all the resources and grinded her please take my scrimblo seriouslymaybe, I'll think about it
>>737050780I'll take Seth's bulk lead and 1-2 range.
>>737060937Okay, here's your Seth (+speedwing/dracoshield). Losing in every stat but HP (-3) and DEF (-6) after I fed him all the early bosses. The cope squad arrived, but Neimi has no boosters and received absolutely no preferential treatment compared to some of my other main units I slowed down for. Bulk doesn't matter much when the enemy can't hit you.
>>737061621Nta and I think Neimi is overhated, but your level 1 scrimblo should not be outleveling fucking Seth at any point in the game.
>>737061621You literally cheated those stats
>>737061621>doubles everything since this is SS>is tankier>has 1-2 rangeYeah, I'm thinking Seth won.
we should relay sacred trilogy where they gave neimi not-kinshi knight with canto+ so the resident neimifag can get it out of his system.
>>737061883>doubles everythingDoes not double the Swordmasters and Heroes in chapter 19, and that's with a speedwing. Thankfully I have a tanky Eirika who could double and solo the SMs.
>>737034719i love how the gaiden novel writer loved Silque so much. she made her as close to Alm as possible
>>737062245No, we should do a normal playthrough of vanilla FE8 except we handicap ourselves by using Seth and benching Neimi. It probably won't be possible with such a heavy restriction but it could be fun to challenge ourselves.
Never ask a Neimifag what the turn counts where
>>737062382
>>737062682Post your LTC run turn counts and Seth stats.
>>737062274You mean that map you can clear in like 3 turns while getting all the chests? It's not really a big deal.
>absolutely no preferential treatment>neimi higher level than sethThis is your brain on scrimblofaggotry
>>737062940>3 turns while getting all the chests?You're saying this because you've done it, correct?
>>737062801Silque would have ended up with Alm is she was allowed to do it
Which games do you guys enjoy LTCing?For me FE5 (SSS rank) is the only one that really clicked.
>>737063101>NOOO YOU CAN'T TRAIN HER! GIVING ANYTHING TO ANYONE BUT SETH IS FAVOURITISM!
>>737063209Unironically yes
>>737063101Correct, she got a lot less preferential treatment than Seth, who got to have all of the boss kills for the first 1/3rd of the game.
>>737063132Yeah, you just need a lot of chest keys. Add a few turns without. The map is still easily ended whenever you want by Warping over to Riev.
>>737063293This but unironically
>>737063101She's just so dang useful she naturally got 30 levels to Seth's 10, bro.
>>737063289None, LTCfaggotry is a dogshit playstyle
>>737063309What is this performative Seth use you're doing where you give him boss kills and stat boosters then proceed to just not use him and turtle to feed kills to an archer?
>>737063302she even leaves with him in the end.back then. i guess it would be celica getting cucked
>>737063484Fire Emblem has an exp formula increasing Neimi's exp gain in relation to Seth, which can easily be exploited so that she gets much more exp for the same amount of usage
>>737063484>not use him and turtleIt turns out that one disadvantage to being tanky is that enemies would rather target weaker units.
fag > seth
Both Neimi and Seth job to Steel Blade Vanessa
>>737063671Neimi is barely doing combat on enemy phase you retard. The AI doesn't have a choice but to attack Seth when he's their only target in range.
>>I'M TOTALLY LE HARDCORE LTC PLAYER JUST LIKE MY TUBER HERO>okay, post an LTC save*tumbleweed*
>>737063790>Putting only Seth in range of enemiesSounds like favouritism to me.
>start run>train unit for a bit>get 2 empty level ups in a row>end runhow do i get myself to stop caring about bad level ups
>>737063660Just post Neimi's stat screen so we can see her battle stats and laugh at your so-called non-favoritism.
>>737063856Use Seth
>>737063660Incorrect, relatively Seth gets more experience from a boss kill than Neimi does because EXP is more valuable on promoted units.
>>737063856Play 0% growthscan't get disappointed when you don't have expectations
>I grinded up shitter units and they got bigger numbers where's your god now metafags???the retards trying to rig scrimblos and spending 1.5k turns grinding misses make so much sense when you realize all they value is big number
>>737063856Play 100% growths
>>737063856Just use a fixed growths patch if it annoys you
>>737063915>boss killThere's only 1 boss for every >30 enemies per map
>>737063852>put seth in range of 10 enemies>all enemies die in 1 turn>put neimi in range of 10 enemies>all of them take 0 damage and neimi dieshmmm doing the first thing is favoritism actually
>>737064137You're feeding all of them to Neimi?
>>737063786Since you asked so nicely, here's Vanessa (+talisman) too. She hasn't been using the steel blade, but the iron blade has essentially been her prf and it's almost broken, and about 2/3rds of the way to A swords.
>>737064202>the iron blade has essentially been her prf and it's almost brokenDespite all the Steel Blade jokes, I'm happy that people actually realized how good the Iron Blade is for quick wexp.
>>737064201I'm not feeding them all to Seth
>>737062382Silque is extremely lovable. Contender for best girl in the entire series. Best voice too (ENG)>inb4 seethe
>>737063790>NeimiI didn't mean they were attacking Neimi instead, but consider that my other two main tanks were Ephraim and Forde, and both had less DEF than Seth, so if I moved them all together, enemies would rather attack the other two on enemy phase, cutting off some exp from him.
>>737034719where is fortune's weave?
>>737064448Yeah you're moving the 8 move god together with your 5 move lord. AKA turtling.
>>737064606>What is rescuePseud LTCfag detected
eliwood takes forever to train and even if you manage to do it he basically just becomes marcus but in chapter 26 except of chapter 12
>>737064643Anon clearly isn't recue dropping Ephraim if he's feeding an archer 30 levels like that. Get real faggot.
>>737064761>NOOO HE'S NOT USING THE GAME MECHANICS BECAUSE... HE USES NEIMI!You can also rescue drop Neimi btw
I'd like to see /vfeg/ do playthroughs to prove their points.Two players do ironman runs. If you fail the ironman you lose the argument. If both players beat it the one with lower turncounts is the victor.
>>737064835You actually can't rescue drop Neimi if you want her to ever do anything, seeing as she has no enemy phase and that would end her turn.
>>737064859An FE duel? Fascinating idea, only problem is that I don't trust fags not to cheat their runs
There's nothing wrong about favoritism
>>737064902>Rescue drop Neimi behind your rescue dropper>Enemy has no choice but to 2 range or to 1 range the dropper>Neimi gets to attack on the next PP as she's in the middle of the action>Can be rescued at the end of her turn to repeatSeems pretty simple to do to me
>>737064991It's wrong if it's done for a unit that I don't approve of, and it's encouraged if it's done for a unit that I approve of.
>>737065093Not falling into the trap of engaging with this nonsense. You fags always miss the forest for the trees and carefully construct nonexistent scenarios where you aren't being a turtling fag, but I've seen you niggers play in the relays and this is clearly not what you're doing 99% of the time.
>>737064437if echoes had an avatar..Silque would be an S support
>>737065093seems extremely inefficientyou're spending two unit actions just so you can rescue drop a shitty archer to deal damage to and kill one unit at most during player phasewhy would you do this instead of using two good units?
>>737065280>No argument(lol
>>737065286Unironically
>>737065350needs a bride version
>>737065337Because 3 units being moved forwards is better than 2, especially since your EP is optimized with this setup. Unless you need to specifically kill an enemy that's way far away on PP, there's no reason not to focus on EPing
>>737065529why do you need neimi?
>>737065556Why do you need any unit? Just solo the game with Eirika/Ephraim.
>>737065514
>>737065618so neimi is completely unneeded and you're just carrying her to kill one enemy on player phase once in a while
>>737065645Silky smooth...
>>737065645gaiden Silque cute too
>>737065714>so neimi is completely unneeded Yes, every unit is completely unnedded except for Eirika/Ephraim since they are force deployed and they seize.
>>737063209
>>737065723Holy girls...>>737065735The old NES era art is charming
Neimifaggot can btfo all the haters by simply posting his surely non-inflated turn counts. Super excited for Seth to be dethroned.
>>737065805If that's what you truly believe why are you trying to rank units at all? Hmmm seems like this neimi fag might be arguing in bad faith
>>737065831Do you think Silque... likes...Cute timid blond boys? >.<
Look, there are some underrated scrimblos in the series that are worth talking about, but Neimi absolutely is not one of them (lol
>>737065846would be funny if he was secretly good and managed to get <100 turns while training neimi
>>737066017Yes
>>737065934No, that's my counter to the concept of "needing" units. I've explained how Neimi can contribute, which is enough to justify using her.
>>737066045Oh my...what do I do with this information?!
>>737066123any unit can "contibute"you're trying to argue she is a good unit
>>737066175
>>737066235>any unit can "contibute"Yes, which is why every unit can be included on your team>you're trying to argue she is a good unitI'm arguing that she can be useful like she is being for anon. "Good" depends on how you define that according to the playstyle.
>>737065831
>>737066474>every unit can contribute therefore every unit is equally goodyou could have just said that from the start so everyone can ignore your retarded opinion instead of focusing on neimi
>>737066480OH MY KISSABLE!!!! WHAT AN ABSOLUTE CUTIE!!!!~Perfect smile.>>737066267I want her to make the first move...
>>737066560That's not what I said, but keep hearing what you want to hear. Btw, define a "good" unit since you supposedly have such a grasp of what is one.
>>737066480Cute.>>737066617based
>>737066638Good units solve problems (Seth)Bad units create problems (Neimi)
>>737066474Neimi's probably worth deploying for a few chapters just for ranged chip damage.
>>737066617>>737066673
>>737066731>Good units solve problemsNeimi can double the speedy swordmasters and heroes, solving that problem>Bad units creat problemsSeth cannot double these same enemies, creating a problem.
>Neimi can double speedy
>>737066019>Neimi absolutely is not one of themOkay, who is one of them?
>>737066019I don't know what each unit is rated but I'd like to hear about units that>start off weak, requiring you to feed exp>have a real payoff after being trained, can do things that untrained units can not>can be trained without taking extra grinding turns, or make up for the turns spent trainingUnits that come to mind include FE4 master knights, FE8 myrrh, maybe FE6 lughAlso since people are posting Silk I should mention that it's very much worth feeding her exp to get access to warp.
>>737066897Neimi creates 10 problems for every 1 she solves. You spent the entire game dealing with problems of your own creation so you could find one thing to point to and claim you didn't waste your time. Ironically a Seth who saw more usage would probably deal with those same enemies even easier.
>>737066771That's a fair use case, and you could promote her early to get an early Bow Knight/Sniper. Ch3 especially is filled with easy exp for any character desu.
>>737067028Nyx is kinda overhated these days. She is objectively not great, but being a mage with passable bases in a game where mages are strong automatically makes her functional, and she's not really hard to make good with Fates mechanics.
>>737067020refer to >>737062274, the evidence is right there in this thread.
>>737067028canas
>>737067064>Neimi creates 10 problems for every 1 she solvesNot in my playthroughs she doesn't.
>>737067065Eh, sure, you can just bench her later, Sacred Stones gives you plenty of cash anyway so there's not that much to gain selling the Orion's Bolt. Just might be hard for her to reach 10 in a timely manner.
>>737067139If you have to goon the character to a very high level for them to make the contribution, it's not something you can put on their resume. You mean a heavily favored Neimi might be able to double a few faster enemies in the lategame if her growths cooperate.
>>737067298>heavily favored NeimiProofs? Anon just included her in his strats, and gave her less resources than he did to Seth.
>>737067393Neimi is fucking SLOW. Get that through your head, nigga. She isn't doubling shit without tons of effort.
>>737067028Devdan
>>737067249She does, they just minor problems so you don't mentally take note of them. >I need to wait an extra turn so Seth/Franz/Vanessa doesn't take this exp away from Neimi>I need to kill this guy so Neimi gets experience, but I have to rescue her after so she doesn't die on enemy phase>I need to cap my movement towards the objective so Neimi can keep up and contributeAnd the problems she "solves" are equally minor wins that come so late you already have 20 other methods of accomplishing thr same without her.
>>737067452>60% spd growth>Only -1 on base spd to FranzSeems pretty fast to me.
>>737067563Well it's not, and that "only" isn't small. Being a fucking Archer with 6 base speed is BAD, it is SLOW. She's bad because her bases are bad and it takes her growths too long to dig her out of her hole. Feel free to enjoy using her anyway, but why are we having this 2005-tier GameFAQs conversation right now? She sucks cocks (mine specifically, pink bitch).
>>737067563She joins when Franz is what, like level 5?
>>737067393>30 levels is less than 10 levelsOnly on /v/ man I stg
>>737066824
>>737067547Seth does cause problems, they just minor problems so you don't mentally take note of them>I need to spend an extra turn killing this enemy since Seth doesn't double him>I have to kill this boss so that Seth gets experience, otherwise he gets jackshit>I need to spend an extra turn killing this enemy since Seth doesn't double him>I need to give Seth some backup since he missed that Javelin since it's his only 2 range option for most of the game
>>737067870This is too low-IQ for me. I'm sorry but I can't bother replying to this anymore, Neimifag.
>>737067947I had the same reaction. I started typing something up and then I just shook my head, pressed ESC and started playing a game instead.
What kind of deranged head case do you have to be to spin fucking SETH as a bad, subpar unit? He's legitimately one of the greatest Fire Emblem units ever. Is nothing sacred anymore?
>>737067668>It's slow because, uhh, I say so!She doubles most of the maps after she joins at base, and that 60% spd growth means that she won't take long to become even faster.
>>737068004bitch shut up
>>737067991The arguments against Neimi are just really bad and can easily be thrown onto any unit, I don't dislike Seth at all.
>hurr i'm fucking retarded please give me attention!
>>737068053Nah, I don't think I will.
It's always archers.
>>737068004She doesn't double the Bonewalkers or Mogalls on C4 without a SPD level. In C5 she fails to dobule Archers, Mercenaries and the boss. In C6 she fails to double Fighters, Mercenaries, Cavaliers and Archers. Wow, it's almost like anon went on the internet and just started spewing total bullshit.
>>737068093If I don't purpose feed Neimi for multiple consecutive chapters, her greatest contribution is being Colm's cockwarmer. Even if I do train her, she's a bowlock.If I don't train Seth for 10 straight chapters, he's still a Top 5 deploy. If I use him even minimally, he's NUMBAH ONE.This concludes the discussion, anon. If you reply to me with some bullshit, you're officially not a real person.
Total Neimi assrape
>>737068360Mogall…
the real problem with neimi is that she's not even cute. I would gladly train a garbage unit if I like her portrait but this is meh/10
>>737068612Neimifag in shambles
>>737068612Got Karen 'cut
>Why yes, I do need a 2nd Rally Spectrum unit, how could you tell?
>>737068240>She doesn't double the Bonewalkers or Mogalls on C4 without a SPD levelGood thing that she joins a chapter earlier on a map with a shitton of forced 2 range and slowass soldiers, where shs can easily get at least one level. >Ch5At that point, she's already at like 8 spd if you don't completely neglect her (easily 9 if you use her normally), allowing her to double the boss, archers and some fighters>Ch6She should be doublinhg pretty much everything but the fastest units on the map by that point with her 10-11 spd, and if you put more effort into Neimi, you also have the option to promote it as soon as the end of this chapter.
>>737065337>3 units being moved forwards is better than 2it's not.
>60% = 100%
>>737068246>If you don't give a growth unit exp, they'll suffer>A prepromote designed to start up better than a growth unit is going to be better when they're both untrainedWoah
>11 spd on cav at level 10=fast>11 spd on archer at level 10=slow
>>737069159>Good thing that she joins a chapter earlier on a map with a shitton of forced 2 range and slowass soldiers, where shs can easily get at least one level.40% of the time you invested that effort into her she can't even effectively deal with the 2 ranged units on her next map.>>737069159>At that point, she's already at like 8 spd if you don't completely neglect her (easily 9 if you use her normally), allowing her to double the boss, archers and some fightersIt's gracious to give her 1 level a map, she can have that. She's level 3. Granting your fantastical 8 SPD you're still fucking wrong though, because the Archers have 5-6 SPD and the Fighters have 6-7 SPD. You'd need a level 6 Neimi to have be able to double a low roll Archer on average, a level 8 one to double both Archers and low roll Fighters, and a level 10 one to have the 11 SPD to double high roll Fighters. I can then be really generous and say she's level 5 on C6 and note she's nowhere near doubling these enemies over on C5 at that level to begin with. Same applies to those 7 AS Cavaliers.
If I wall off this archer constantly and spend a different unit's turn to constantly ferry her across the map I can sometimes use her to deal damage to one enemy unit on player phase. This makes her one of the best units in the game
>>737069515This but unironically
Why won't the Neimifag just post his turn counts?
>>737069493>40% of the time you invested that effort into her she can't even effectively deal with the 2 ranged units on her next map.That's if you do the bare minimum, and most of the map are slowass zombies anyways.>It's gracious to give her 1 level a mapIt's neglect that you're justifying because you don't want to include her into your playstyle.
>>737069648Nigga she is a fucking Archer that can literally fight less than half as much as the rest of your army.
>>737069690If you don't spend 20 turns feeding her kills you're NEGLECTING her, chud. i'm reporting you to the proper authorities
I'm not sure if this is exclusive to the Japanese version, but did you know that you can berserk Morva, which will cause him to leave the gate, allowing you to warp Ephraim in and seize while doing no combat? I originally wanted to warp skip this map entirely, but it has a shitton of drops on it, so I decided to quickly round them up first. Got them all by turn 9 and seized on 10.
>>737069731Not to mention they didn't address being blatantly wrong even granting them the level they want Neimi to be at.
Do Neimi/Becca/Dorothy/Woltfags get that you have to intentionally hamstring like 10 other units for the entire game for them to get exp? I can never seem to put it into words that they can understand. It's asinine.
>>737069805They pretend to be retarded for attention and it works every time
>>737069648You realize she needs like 3-4 kills per level and has almost no enemy phase to assisst with that, right? Archers are actually just difficult and time-consuming to train unless you turtle like a bitch.
>>737069805To elaborate: what I mean is, you have to not use units that can reach and kill targets sooner just so the designated growth archer can collect exp. And you have to keep doing this for the entire game, it never ends. It always feels like you're giving the special ed kid a head start. It's a fake contribution.
relay??
>>737069958Neimi fag should do it if he wasn't a pussy.
>>737067154can you be underrated when you're the only user of your weapon type?
>>737069690Her join map proves that supposition wrong, as you cannot effectively fight a lot of the map without 2 range, which Neimi favours, as it partially serves as a tutorial to teach the player on how to take advantage of ranges, formations and terrain to use 2 range effectively. Also, Neimi can lose her bow lock as soon as ch7.
>>737070064Supposing she is level 5 she still fails to double every single enemy you said she did.
>>737070032yes
>>737070064Seth beats the map 10 times over with one javelin in the time it takes your waifu to tickle her way to a level up
>>737069776>776YOOO, LET'S GO!
>>737070032he's mainly a staff bot with decent stats and good promo gains. his luna meme niche isn't really what makes him good
Apparently my entire army in Sacred Stones gets 4 levels a chapter and we end up level 20 by Chapter 10.
>>737070276It's called feeding your characters properly chud.
>>737070276you absolutely grinded if you're casually hitting 20 by endgame.
>>737070323Oh, is that why I'm supposed to sell stat boosters for Javelins?
>>737070250His Luna niche makes him the best bosskiller in the game, which is useful when the FE7 bosses can be absute menaces. It's also really good against some of the most dangerous enemies in the game such as valkyries and druids.I know you got the opinion that Luna is bad from Mekkuck, but that midwit always misses the nuances of the game.
>>737070347I'm autistic and only promote at 20 and I still have stragglers at C15. If there's one game to promote early it's this one because you get 25% of the game instead of 50% of it.
>>737070383Most bosses in fe7 don't even move lol
>>737070383stop being obsessed with ecelebs
>>737070383>best bosskillerIt is pretty crazy that the FE7 Luna tome has 95 hit. What the fuck were they thinking with that?
>>737070383How many save states do you average per map?
>>737070631The bosses after you get Luna have disgusting stats, a good amount of them move if you include the bossrush and Maxime+Ursula and Limstella has a turncount requirement to meet so that you can get the Gaiden.
>>737070908Why the fuck are you Luna gambling against Ursula
>>737070724When a cocksucker repeats almost verbatum what an eceleb says, it's pretty hard not to notice.
>>737070987maybe the eceleb just said something true, then someone else says the same thing because it's just true
>>737070975It's an extra option if you get Karel instead of Harken, for instance. It's also not much of a gamble when she can't do jackshit to Canas in return.
>>737071076You can just make her use Bolting and then kill her with anything lolRolling the dice with Luna maybe the 4th-5th best option you have at any given time. (besides the fire dragon for which you're using Athos for anyway)
>>737070908All these bosses are easily killed, maxime isn't even mandatory and there's a bunch of different options to kill ursula, she's an easy boss because she's stuck using bolting which kills her speed, limstella is a statonnary shitter at the end of the game that you can kill with pretty much anyone that doesn't get oneshot by fimbulvetr
Luna is a decent boss killer but definitely not the best.
>Everyone in this rancid thread
>>737071075>Maybe they just copied one for one le staffbot meme when it's Canas' secondary role to his combat(lol
>>737071484>staves are bad in fe7LOL
>spout terrible opinion>call everyone who disagrees with me an eceleb parrot over and over until they get madIs this the optimal /vfeg/ bait meta?
>>737071402It's pretty good as an extra option, but its main purpose is turning Canas into the best anti-Magic unit when the game is throwing the most dangerous magic enemies it has at you. Cog alone justifies Luna, bosskilling is an extra function which can be variably useful dependong on the boss (excellent on the dragon, meh on Lloyd/Linus).
Canas would get doubled but that would imply you played Kektor hard mode.
>>737071597Or you can just use peg knights or harken or even oswin/marcus with pure water to shit on cog, there's no need to use luna here either
>>737071586>Get called out for dicksucking an eceleb>Seethe about itKek, Luna is very useful. Just don't try to spam it against low res enemies like a retard.
guys, niggermctranny69 on youtube said the sky is blue so everyone saying the sky is blue is an eceleb dicksucker from now on
>>737071703This
Ever since Mekkah said javelins are good I've exclusively used iron weapons for the whole game just so I could say I have a different opinion than him
>>737071687>marcus to shit on cogNot even shitposting here, but please post your Marcus in action on Cog of Destiny, I need to see this.
>>737071868My Marcus solo died there. The real problem was keeping Hector alive.
>>737071868It's easy with his high res and good enough speed but Mekkah said Jagens are good once so I had to bench him in chapter 4 instead.
>>737071868Playing Devil's Advocate, Marcus can be useful on Cog, but it's not Pure waters that seal the deal: his mov and high str+skl means that he can jump enemies with Braves pretty reliably, cleaning them up on PP before they can counter.
>>737071868marcus has enough speed to not get doubled by anything except valkyries and enough res with pure water/barrier
>>737070987the worst part about you eceleb worshippers is that you assume everyone else knows or cares what your idol thinks
I look up Mekkah tierlists and only use units from the bottom up. It's called being an independent free thinker.
>>737072269Anybody with sense implicitly agrees with Dondon so I don't run into this issue.
>average valkyrie has 17 magic and thunder tome so ~25 atkkek, nevermind marcus doesn't even die to them. this map is so overrated
Dondon has had some shitty takes. He's not infallible, more of an opinionated grump with an autistic playstyle and preferences.
>>737072269I study all of Mekkah's vids daily so I can know which opinion will make me the biggest contrarian to get the most (You)s on anonymous imageboards
>>737072621>some shitty takesSuch as?
>>737072621Definitely not, I agree with him mostly though and I read all of his Reddit posts for the past decade.
>I read all of his Reddit posts for the past decade
>>737072693As much as he might deny it, he can't see past his own biases, his own limited way of looking at the game. An affliction we all share to some degree, but it can be quite severe with LTC autists like him. I've seen him defend really bad same-turn reinforcements with essentially "git gud" because when you're rigging the shit out of the game and routing an ideal path through the level for youtube views, it's not like improvisation or surprise attacks matter. I genuinely don't think he's capable of playing the games casually and having fun in a normal way. He sees Fire Emblem as a math-puzzle game. As I said, autism.Fine, but don't make the mistake of thinking this is the "correct" way of viewing the game. It's one way, that may have some relevance in certain discussions.
>>737072514Base Marcus has 31 HP/8 Res so he gets 2HKO'd. Pure Water changes that to a 4HKO.An actually trained Marcus for example ??/10 has 36 HP/11 Res still gets 2HKO'd but Pure Water changes that to 6HKO
>>737072892Nah, a lot of the times really is a simple case of just get good.
strong enemies are bad game design because they make me waste more time rigging jeigan to dodge and crit everything on the way to the throne
>>737072892A corollary to this is that he fucking despises Battle Before Dawn, btw. Genesis too. He may have been influential in turning public opinion against these maps, even.It's fair to point out design flaws in these maps, even call them bad, but you have to understand, at the bottom of it, he only hates them so much because LTCing them is very unreliable.>>737073040Someone post the FE6 webm right now
>>737072854Basically confirmation that eceleb cocksuckers were indeed seething about getting called out. Who would have guessed that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck?
>>737072965Pure water is implied, you obviously give your units pure water for this map since nearly every enemy is a mage
>>737073109>Battle Before DawnIsn't that turn floored? If so, you should take your time feeding kills to maximize your stats.
>>737073153You can't hurt me because I know Dondon is smarter than you.
>>737073109I said a lot of times not all of the times.
>>737073153>>737072854>Taking any of these posters seriously when its just retards taking the piss
>>737073109People have hated Genesis and BBD forever for being tough and for having uncertain elements. Personally I think they're still above average maps though and Genesis in particular is a great map.
>>737073295No, I think we genuinely have some dondon ball washers in the room right now. Pretty odd.
>>737073109>Battle Before DawnIsn't that the map where zephiel can die before any of your units can even reach him
>>737073109https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrKDvT0cn5IUs DondonGODS have learned to love Genesis.
>>737073389no, it's the one where jaffar and nino get crit but you rescue zephiel just fine
>>737072892My problem isn't even with any of his 'takes' per se, it's with the fact that his style of 0% growth LTC run has revolutionized the way people view the games' metas, even though it's impossible to play the game that way normally, very few people do in the first place, and his runs are rigged for perfect accuracy/evasion, making them meaningless for practical application.
>>737073389I mean yes, it's bullshit, but it really shouldn't inspire so much seethe in one person. There are worse maps. I think the problem isn't Zeph though, it might be Nino who can just explode without any possible intervention. I can't remember what his 'tism is specifically about.
>>737073452Pretty much, it basically swapped out one breed of insufferable metafag for another (grindfag to LTCfag). I have to say that I respect grindfags more, since they don't straight up cheat when they do their degenerate strats.
>>737073362No. We have some genuine shitposters who enjoy riling you up.
>>737073548how are grindfags metafags? grinding doesn't require any skill or game knowledge
>>737073653Can't it be both?
>>737073412>I think that this chapter is a prime example of how game knowledge can transform a player's view of map design. If you don't care to figure out how the enemy AI works, then this map can seem random and frustrating. But if you know how to make the enemies do what you want them to do, then it becomes a fair strategic challenge.This is exactly what I'm talking about tho. He seems to think meta-knowledge of AI exploits and cheats can make a map good, rather than strong design fundamentals. Can not see past his own autism, I say.He also considers the worst map in TearRing Saga and one of the worst maps EVER the best one because it's a challenge to LTC.He is just one guy with his own shit taste, all I'm saying.
>>737073548>since they don't straight up cheat when they do their degenerate stratsI have a feeling many of them do actually save state level ups on their scrimblos
>>737073659Early FE "meta" was 20/20 is the only thing that matters. Then it went to bases are the only thing that matters. Now its people arguing over some nebulous form of efficiency that no two people can agree on.
>>737073692>Map is better when you understand how it worksWhat's the problem with that?
>>737073748Even by Tellius people understood that Jeigans were good. The era of 20/20 didn't last long. It did have a few years to it though.
>>737073692>knowing enemy AI = cheatinghuh?
>>737073814It's not that I disagree with him fundamentally on that point. I'm just explaining his bias. Don't assume he is the font of truth. He has a very colored and quirky perception of things like all of us.
>>737073816No. People were coping by saying that Seth/Titania didnt count.
>>737073874I was shitposting on GameFAQs about scrimblos being worse than Jeigans before PoR came out.
>>737073692>meta-knowledge of AI exploits and cheats can make a map goodI mean he is right though. Genesis is a lot more interesting and fun to play if you know AI targetting and status mechanics. It IS a flaw of the game in general that it is not explained to you what these mechanics are and how you can use them to your advantage, but it doesn't make the end result any less good once you get past the knowledge barrier. It's really just a byproduct of how people want to seek out objetive answers to if something is "good" or "bad", when it often just depends on personal playstyle and experience.
>>737073874Tbf to them, these two have good growths.
>>737073548>random growths are a fucking plague that have sabotaged Fire Emblems for decades> You can't have a small stats game and then let random variance give everyone +/-4 to all stats>Random growths are an artifact from the days when it was an acceptable possibility that you could fail to beat the game>Once it was no longer socially acceptable to make games you can fail to beat, Fire Emblem devs started adding late-game units that were good enough to beat the game>Which means all random growths do is determine if the game is easy to beat or average to beat>So all you can do as a developer is put in units to ensure anyone can beat the game and then watch as most people have an easier time than you expected or not do that and then watch as people whine about not being able to beat the gameQuotes from a prominent romhack community. This is your brain on LTC.
>>737073912And I was on gamefaqs during the goat demon and garm essay memes.
>>737073932titania is still worse than kieran after the halfway point of the game usually, she's still a jagen just with a slightly late expiration date (also helped by PoR having very weak enemies)
>>737073692I thought that map was pretty coolLongbow across the wall with raquel on turn 1, send vega to fight the boss, mount and dismount a pegasus to fly across the swamp. Shield your thieves with other combat units or equip with estoc and use the +pow staff.You can try to crit the boss with Barts to save a turn but I think you'd have better odds landing a sing refresh.also since when does anyone care about tearring saga ltc? did I miss something?
>>737074038I'll give you that it wasn't a settled matter, there was a lot of argument about it, it's probably not until the 2010s that people really accepted it.
>>737073945I watched some Youtuber have a hissy fit from lategame Conquest on hard after allowing all of his good characters to die over the course of the game for some reason. He was a GBAfag and was upset that the enemy stats were high basically.
>>737073945>also since when does anyone care about tearring saga ltcDondon did, and called that the only good map in the game. Let that sink in.That map was so shit it genuinely made me give on TearRing forever, and I had already been bored with it up until that point.
>>737074157meant 4u >>737074074
>>737074080CQ was the great filter back in the day, as even Hard isn't hesitant to stomp your ass if you don't bother learning how to play the game. It basically exposed a shitton of people as complete noobs who try to not use strategy in a strategy game series.
>>737073748>Early FE "meta" was 20/20 is the only thing that mattersWell no, old metafags just actually looked at the whole picture, not just bases, which are only relevant short term. They understood things like lower level units gain exp faster, and being low level means more opportunities to gain stats, and higher growths further increases that likelihood. They knew that there's no value in arguing about a unit that isn't being used (base), and they didn't invent an arbitrary metric like 'investment' to discredit a unit's performance potential.
>>737074157I'll give it to dondon that this map and chapter 18 were one of the only times that TRS showed some fangs and actually felt like it tried to be something more in terms of map complexity and difficulty. I wish more of the game was as ambitious as those two chapters in map design, even discounting the terrible execution in chapter 16's case.
>>737074048Oscar/Kieran dont really surpass Titania until quite late in the game and that's because her experience gain slows down/she's likely to hit level cap before them.
I think Haar is the worst unit in this franchise. He has poor availability plus he's a male. Low res too.
>>737074356>some fangs>the fangs: Gaiden map reduxPeople need to stop sucking this guy off, he occasionally makes a shitpost, ok
>>737074353>old metafags just actually looked at the whole picturet. nino is better than pent because her 20/20 stats are higher
Cutesythea
>>737074353
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/468480-fire-emblem/57657997This thread is from 2010 but it has some tier lists from supposedly earlier. It'd be a lot harder to dig up more than that since GameFAQs doesn't have direct archives back that far.>Nino topFuck me.
>>737074201I can't blame you for being bored of TRS, it is rather slow and clunky. It's not my favorite map but it has a unique design that requires a different approach from the previous (kinda bland) maps so I'm surprised you dropped it there of all places. Do you think you'd enjoy the map more if it was in a FE game rather than in TRS?
>>737074353The entire concept of Jeigan/Oifey among other things was entirely due to people putting a heavy emphasis on long term potential. You even see this mindset today with players putting an emphasis on growths/growth totals instead of distribution and how much that shit actually matters.Its when 0% growths and LTC started to become popular that people overcompensated for muh long term potential by shitting on growth units.
>>737074442I mean it is unquestionably one of the hardest maps in TES. Most of the rest of the game is just a stomp. I didn't deny the end result was a terrible slog to play.
>>737074527fuck off
>>737074557>Do you think you'd enjoy the map more if it was in a FE game rather than in TRS?I have no brand loyalty to FE. I own no merch. Bad game is bad. I think both TRS and BS kinda suck. Dondon actually agrees with me on that account.
>>737074552I miss the serenesforest vs gamefaqs days
>>737074552Top Tier:HectorRavenOswinMerlinusAthosHigh Tier:PentPriscillaFlorinaFioraLynLuciusEliwoodCanasSainNinian/NilsHarkenErlMiddle Tier:DartSerraGuyLowenBartreGeitzRebeccaWilVaidaMatthewLegaultJaffarRathHeathLow Tier:WallaceDorcasLouiseMarcusHawkeyeFarinaKarelBottom Tier:IsadoraKarlaNinoRenault---Good little gi- You ever see a little with THESE before?-- Sylvia, Fire Emblem 4* *The typo (and omission of Kent) are faithfully reproduced here for the sake of my accuracy and your entertainment.
>>737074628
>>737074634wan't talking about that, I mean the maps suffers because of the clunky TRS engine vs smoother gameplay on 3ds and whatnot
>>737074667Yeah, that one is from 2006 and looks a lot more legitimate than the 2003 one with fucking Nino at the top. It still rates Marcus pretty poorly, so I guess that was the consensus around the time.
>>737074560The funny thing is, people started hating on growth units right as they became better than they ever had been. Shit got bananas when they stopped putting in an overpowered old man knight, and made reclassing and skills a bigger feature. We should be hyping up modern growth units but we're kinda lagging on that still, even though people are a little more aware these days.
>>737074080Conquest doesn't even use stat inflation for its difficulty. It's mostly annoying things like inveitable end and staff savant on top of things like seal defense early. The real stat inflation game is revelation but no one really plays that game.
>>737074723A big reason for Marcus to be rated poorly was that Lyn mode was often assumed, so you had 3 far better horses than him usually by the earlygame, and a far better squad overall once your beefed up Lyndis Legion returned
>>737074706Well I've played every Fire Emblem game, so I'm used to some clunk. I wish I could say Kaga made straight hits after his magnum opus FE5, but a lot of his experiments are just...off. Berwick Saga is a baffling game, for all its originality.
>>737074837The enemies don't even have staff savant or inevitable end. He got uber-walled by the berserk/general room on 26 and was going to rage-quit before someone told him how to cheese it with entrap.
>>737074667I agree with them rating Oswin that high. Even if he doesn't save as many turns as marcus he's immortal and so braindead to use that he truly makes the game easier by his presence, if that's not a top tier unit i don't know what is
>>737074931*The enemies don't even have staff savant or inevitable end on hardshit
>>737074967Aktually, he's bad because le 4 mov is inefficient>There are retards who actually believe this
>>737075019I say this
>>737074990>Hilda in Ayra's outfitIs this new? They're really scratching the bottom of that barrel, huh. Raven haired evil women sex though.
>>737074967He's good for a bit, but there's really not much reason to use him long-term once you have characters with actual movement stats catch up.
the FE4 remake
>>737075061Shut up retard
>>737075084That is Lamia AKA random midboss from FE4 chapter 4.
>>737074931Huh, I didn't know that I always thought the difference between conquest hard and lunatic was the AI learning to ignore enemies it will deal 0 damage to.
sigurd is a jeigan because he starts promoted and becomes useless halfway through the game.selpih is a scrimblo because he shows up at low level and you're expected to give him tons of items and feed him every kill on his join map to make him useful.
>>737074830I mean, look at Engage where you get all these fancy skills and reclassing and rings and the average meta discussion will still treat growth units like irredeemable garbage and say stuff like>The closest unit you get to a unit being "stealthily good" in Engage is Kagetsu, who convinces you he is mid by being a swordmaster.>That's why there's a lack of "why this unit is actually good videos" because all good Engage units are straightforwardQuotes from a e-celeb who makes these 5-hour Revelation unit balance videos
>>737075138Yeah, I had to google "Reimia" to even remember who she was. But it's literally Hilda's portrait recycled, because FE4 did that a lot, and the updated design pretty much looks like younger, sexier Hilda. Heroes needs to EoS already.
>>737075159There's nothing wrong with favoritism, the problem is when the favoritism is unjustified.
>>737075212I was just reposting what someone else said earlier because it's a funny way of thinking about the game.
>>737075212Favoritism is always fine, you just have to be honest about doing it.
>>737075019>he's bad because le 4 mov is inefficienttru
>>737075206Actually I guess I'm wrong. Hilda was more hagpilled than I remember. Unique portrait and everything, just similar.
>>737074967Movement holds him back in the long term. Yeah he's strong and hard to kill but you have other strong and hard to kill units that can get there faster.
>>737075157Funny that in a few ways that AI quirk makes some maps easier. Like I just use Xander as a mobile light rune on ch 17 since they won't attack him if he has a 1-2 range weapon equipped, but on Hard I'm guessing they'll just do it anyways and rape him with poison strikes and debuffs.
>>737075084>>737074990it's accurate to fe4 at least
>>737075181>Quotes from a e-celeb who makes these 5-hour Revelation unit balance videosYou talking about that Doyle retard? He's never said anything intelligent. Literally repeats shit he heard on reddit.
I find it funny that 'scrimblo' haters always resort to the 'all the boosters' meme, when in reality it's the opposite. Growth units will gain the stats naturally over the course of the game and don't need boosters. The ones who need boosters are shitty pre-promotes without many levels to gain or much growth to speak of.
>>737075398Lunatic AI will attack a target it does 0 damage to just to debuff it anyway, they just have other targets.
>>737075350i think hilda was intended to show up in gen 1 with that other portrait at one point
Metafags got BTFO'd, and they did it to themselves kek.
>>737075481Growth units usually want some boosters to get off the ground. The problem is that scrimblofags don't understand what boosters are for. They think it's to make stats look pretty at endgame, rather than to shore up weaknesses and push units over critical stat thresholds.
>>737075181Everyone in Engage is viable. The game does have some problemsSolm rapes your deployment slots hard for too many maps.It hands a bunch of competent little to no frills units at you back to back at that period that are just as good if not better than the units that you tried to raise as a collective because you spread your exp thin.Which then causes a dumb spiral effect that many cant see past.That's why its easiest to tell a newbie to just raise Alear + 3 units.
>>737075545>Boosters are for my playstyle, not yoursNah, I get to use them however I want.
>>737075545but how do you know what those stat thresholds are without metagaming?
>>737075510It depends. The ones on 25 with inevitable end will always attack I think, but on 17 they aren't able to do the math that they'd be able to deal damage after a debuff, so they'll do nothing fearing the counter-attack. This is why a 1-2 range weapon like siegfried needs to be equipped.
>>737073308>genesis in particular is a great map
>>737074990
>>737075159Yes
>>737075445Yeah, but if even Revelation's strongest defender can't give a singular fuck how Engage's meta could possibly change beyond the first week post-release shit's dire. Pretty much every normie jumped from "Louis is god" to "Kagetsu is god" and just left the discussion - a discussion in these threads about Citrinne being actually good beyond day 1 Dire Thunder spam meta like a week ago made me check these idiots.
>>737075705POV: you are Lewyn who just got the Forseti tome and you're excited to try it out
>>737075649>my scrimblo is pretty good, but a little too slow to double half the enemies in the current map>I have speedwing in the convoy>nah, better save it for later and just suffer>Chapter 20: still there
>>737075693Genesis is genuinely one of the best maps in FE and it most likely got there completely unintentionally. It just has a big knowledge barrier that most people won't get past without looking up game mechanics online.
>>737075730For how bad discussion here gets, it's 9001x worse anywhere else. Here, you can make your case no matter what and get some anons to listen, while you just get downvoted or dismissed anywhere else if you go against the worshipped opinion.
>>737075830poor woman ran in right after he got forsetti...
>>737075730Day 1 Engage was almost entirely Dire Thunder shilling for mages. People just latched onto Citrinne because she had high magic growth and bad speed growth. On top of no one actually knowing or bothering to pay attention to speed thresholds. I remember someone telling me that Kagetsu used Lyn better than Ivy back then because he was faster and could double the fastest enemies (never mind that almost all of them job to effective damage or can be skipped).
>>737075928and more hilarious jokes you can tell yourself.
>>737075850There's a semi-common advice to save an Angelic Robe for Athos to avoid being softlocked by FE7 final boss, and I guess that makes people overly hesitant with their boosters.
>>737075850yeah but what if you get a spd level up on the first enemy you kill? then the item was wasted. this is why the stat rings from fe4 were better than permanent stat items, because if you ever felt like it wasn't needed anymore you could just sell it to someone else.
>>737076085Or you could use nils grace to tank that shit, if you saved some uses.
>>737076167I do agree FE4 stat rings are based because I can give a 30 SPD unit another 5 SPD. Like they need that. It's great.
Engage meta is basically suffering from what happened to games like Awakening. No one actually wants to discuss anything beyond the approved back in the day strategies and trying to suggest anything else will just lead to the thought terminating cliches and bad faith arguments.I'm sure someone is ready and waiting to avatarfag every single post of their argument in these threads right now.
>>737076167>WastedNot really, because now you're closer to hit some other threshold.
>>737076167Then you still have a unit that is +3 faster instead of +1. It's not like that lead goes into the dumpster. You get to benefit from that ALL game, and sooner. Hoarding is a type of derangement.
>>737076214Awakening doesn't even deserve "meta discussion". Shit is aids on a platter fuck Awakening.
>>737076214Truth supernova, thankfully Engage has enough active players so that they don't get to control the narrative as easily despite their attempts.
>>737076214It's Engage's fault for being not that interesting to discuss. I like the game, I've played it 4 times and I'll play it again, but it's so easy to get any unit performing well that it feels more like I'm using Emblem Rings than individual units.
Fun fact, in Echoes LTC, grinding is actually allowed at points. They also super scrimblo Leon, Mae/Boey, 1 Alm Villager Merc. There's also barely any difference between Mage/Cleric Faye.
>>737076509>Echoes is so poorly designed and the units so inherently shit that LTCfags are willing to cheat to make it playableis what I'm getting
>>737076278that 2 spd could also never be relevant though. what if your character will always be fast enough with average growth but you were just slightly unlucky on the last level up but getting a good level will fix it for the rest of the game?
>>737076646>LTCfags are willing to cheatWhen are they not?
>>737076728You kinda have to have the common sense to see what a character is borderline in, and what stat booster they would benefit from all game. Don't give a speedwing to Camilla, but Leo? Sure. It's not like it even matters anyway. Who ever felt like they wasted a speedwing after using it on their favorite unit?
>>737076209giving a capped MAG unit a ring is how you can do the funny Ishtar sleep/silence so that makes it good
goonerbros where u @
>>737077018Ishtar looks like such a mommy even though she's just a sad bitch
>>737076204I would assume that doesn't help against the dragon because he ignores defense
>>737073692btw, as far as I know dondon only 10-turned the map; other players have 9-turned it
>>737076646most units are good doebeit
>>737076509If that's allowed, a SS LTC should allow grinding Valni and skirmishes, it's only fair
>>737076509I once started watching a SoV ltc, but the player spammed turnwheel because "it counts as 1 turn" and I stopped watching
>>737078659I think it is allowed. If you can save more turns than you spend grinding then go ahead.
>>737078883There turn count isn't recorded for the ruins or skirmishes, so it's saving turns.
>>737078741sounds like you watched a terrible LTC
>>737078741sounds like you watched the average LTC
>>737078741>it counts as 1 turni don't get it. does that mean using the turnwheel costs you turns? so a good ltc should never use it then right?
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>>737075624>Solm rapes your deployment slots hard for too many mapsI feel like this problem is overstated a bit. The average number of deploy slots you get beside Alear from chapter 12 to 16 is approximately 8. You have to remember that this is also the point of the game where you drop down to having 2 emblem rings, and you recruit 6 new units in 2 chapters from 12 and 13, which is why the deploy slots are low. Unless you're playing DLC, you don't have emblems to equip to most units, so they're only getting half SP gain at best from bond rings. On the other hand, people here seem to be married to the idea that you can never take a unit off the bench in FE, which is nonsense, especially in a game like Engage that has tons of tools to help units grow rapidly. Lindon joins at chapter 18 with 7 personal base STR and I was able to pop him on Bow Knight and feed him 500+ exp on Roy's paralogue.
>>737079529>recruit 6 units in 2 chapters>only a few deploy slots, so you either cannot use them outside of their recruitment, or you have to drop near half-a-dozen of the units you'd been using until that pointThat kinda sucks, man.
>>737079243https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4EiBZ9MZaoI was interested because I thought "efficiency LTC" meant that the penalty for resetting would get rid of the gay savescum shit. Instead it means that the viewer is subjected to the savescumming.
>>737079529and 14 has a large deployment limit that lets you pull units off the bench. from that point it settles around 12 until 22-endgame's 14.
I hate all of you
>>737080120I hate most of you
Seethie sure spends a lot of time in FE threads despite claiming to hate the series for some reason
>>737079305sometimes A.I slop is just funny
>>737079621>you have to dropThe point I'm making is that it's okay to drop some for a bit here and there. Chapter 12 in particular only lets you have 6 units, but it's a short map that's easy as shit, so it's not like it really matters to miss it.
who is the best growth unit in conquest not counting corrin?
>>737080481camilla
>>737080481Camillascrimblo - probably Odin family collectivelybut really "it depends"
>>737080536who has the biggest bbc in conquest not counting corrin?
>>737080536>>737080598i guess i should have specified no prepromotes, in my mind camilla was more of a good unit with strong bases than a good growth unit
>>737080451>Haha... Have fun with Celica!
>>737080481eponine is potential woman but you will never reach max potential with her because it requires scrimbloing mozume before you can even start on her.
>>737080481Mozu
>>737080451just how does A.I. know what to do
>>737080759>eponine>mozume
>GotHW banner>Alec and Beowolf get cucked out of the first gen banner>hell, there is even shota Oifey and Shannan.we could have finished the first gen banner, but no Lamia had to take Beowolf's GHB and Alec could have been shadow dropped. also where is my emperor arvis?
How important is capturing in 776? I'm playing it for the first time and it honestly seems like it's more aggravation than it's worth currently.
>>737080939That's the neat part! It doesn't!
>>737081221Just do it whenever an enemy has some good shit you want or you need some weapons.
>>737081221This question comes up whenever an anon starts FE5, and the answer is always this>do it when you see something you want>do it with the best tools available (use the best weapon for it, e.g. braves)If you follow those 2 rules it won't be annoying. If you don't set some standards and limits it will annoy you the entire game and you'll end up hating the whole experience.
>>737081221How often are you capturing? You don't need to grab every weapon from every enemy on the map. The only things you REALLY want are high-rank staves and whatever is needed to fit out your units with basic stuff.
>>737075730>a discussion in these threads about Citrinne being actually good beyond day 1 Dire Thunder spam meta like a week ago made me check these idiots.I missed that thread, but I just want to say Citrinne is decent. She can instantly be promoted to MK which make her numbers are pretty crazy, being able to get sword power and/or canter is a nice bonus too, and she has some funny meme strats she can do.I think her horrendous growths cause her to fall off somewhere in the midgame, but she does a good job at being a low investment nuke for a time.
>>737081221Not important.There are a couple units you need to capture to recruit and there are a couple high value targets worth grabbing, but 99% of players go way overboard and capture total junk that sells for nothing.I recommend buying a ton of wind tomes in chapter 12, but aside from that you can get through the game with just the weapons in treasure chests and characters' starting inventories.
>>737080679>>737080939"know what to do" might be a bit much
>>737081447>>737081471>>737081512This is why they never brought capture back and why they don't need to. Stealing already gives you nearly the same utility while also not being a constant variable in every single interaction so you aren't overwhelmed and annoyed and have to force yourself to not act on the opportunity. You can just play naturally and steal when you see a stealable.
>>737081542Just give her Lyn and she stays good all game, too.>but that's true for everybodyYes that is how Engage works
>>737081701>Suicide Prevention
>>737081437anal
>>737081712You can also do that with capture though? Why is the assumption that we have to design around the most obsessive OCD retard who probably doesn't even like strategy games or the idea of resource management in general? Is that why IS has been trying so hard to get rid of durability lately?
>>737081712>stealing>except weapons>except staves>except anything that's not in the last part of the inventory>except anything remotely coolStealing is and always has been a cucked mechanic. Capture got it right. People just need to learn to control their autism, that's all. Recognize what is worth the effort and what isn't.
>>737066673>>737066824I'm crazy about Silque still.
>>737081956
>>737081854
>>737081956as you should be
>>737081890>>737081909Do you realize you're using the same exact arguments as the faggots who say "Just don't use the turnwheel"?
>>737082006>>737082016>autosagedAnd Grace threads are being deleted too...But nooo we need more eceleb threadsBet these faggot mods wont even allow me a Silque lewd before the thread dies.
>>737082083Nobody is telling you not to use the mechanic, retard. I'm telling you to use strategy.
>>737069958Play the conquest relay>>737039584
>>737082157>Silque lewd
>>737082157can't have nice things
>>737082157Let's be honest, Silque doesn't have any* lewds anyways.*no Bad Ends
>>737081712yes its the same as stealingyou don't need to go full retard and steal every vulnerary in games with stealing
>>737082165Doesn't matter, you're using the same foundational excuse that the mechanic's flaws shouldn't be adjusted and instead its on the hands of the player to exert self-control as a band-aid fix.
>>737081730>Yes that is how Engage worksCounterpoint: naturally fast units that benefit more from damage-oriented emblems. Also, you can inherit speed+/speedtaker. Personally, I like to have my Mage Knight with Eirika since it saves them 3k SP on Gentility+ and buffs Twin Strike.
Citrinne is good for my dick and that's all that matters
>>737082254Super hot and cute.>>737082258Silque is so badass.>>737082292Nyo...I want solo or really wholesome smiling happy sex.
>>737082305>and instead its on the hands of the player to exert self-control as a band-aid fixIt is, faggot. Literally stop eating so much cany, fattie, you've had enough. Capture's fantastic.
>>737081909GhebFE does stealing right by letting you steal weapons.
>>737082307Memetensia is a worse mage than GODtrinne
>nice gameplay discussion thread almost done anyway>auto'dFuck janny, post fast to get us to 500 anyway.
>>737082404>Capture's fantastic.It's flawed. If Stealing is too restrictive, then Capture is flawed in the opposite direction, it is way too open and over-encompassing of a mechanic.
>>737082438Me on the right
What are some enemies worth capturing?e.g. the bishop with a chest key in chapter 3
>>737082475>I just CAN'T not capture these iron swords, SAVE ME, Kaga-samagenuine zoomer trash
>>737082397>>737082438Is she silky smooth down there as her name suggests...?>>737082506Kiss Silque
>>737082429Stealing is one of the parts I love the most about PoR. You like hand axes? How about hand axes for free?
>>737082583Hand axes are historically already free. They cost like 300 gold.
>>737082475in fe5 you can steal anything that doesn't weight 20, as long as you have enough speed and build (or the thief staff). Capture is more limited because you can't capture mounted units unless you put them to sleep, and can't capture 20 build units at all
>>737082561daily reminder her VA sang the ending song for Shadows of Valentia.
>>737082676She's good too. Weirdly good for a dub singer, after what we got with Fates.
>>737082528Pretty much anything holding a warp or status staff
>>737082676Heritors of Arcadia my beloved
>>737082676still best song
>>737082875>>737082796>>737082715sends chills to my spine.
>>737081730I feel like "use Lyn" is an incredibly reductive response that just outright dismisses Lyn's ubiquity and assumes specific party compositions and long term army goals. I fell that->page 10 autosageDamn :(>>737082339Based.
AND THOUGH I AM GONEJUST ASH IN THE WIND
here's how Valentia can still win:
Meanwhile Engage had that whatever bombshell opening or ending.
Valentian women are just too attractive...Nominations for most attractive FE women by race?
Purvey my wares. I have many fine silques.
>>737082962It'll come up again.
we should have gotten another 3DS FE title. the Switch never even got a remake. could an open world fe title work? imagine exploring past FE worlds in 3D like Engage did, but executed poorly with. Fates and Shadows of Valentia had the right idea.
>>737083110Macedonia has both the royal family and the Whitewings, that's pretty hard to beat
remember Amy? I'm sure you don't considering you were judged by Ashera's Judgem----!!(user was petrified until the end of RD)
Kliff and Luthier went to Archanea. Kliff banged Linde and Luthier whatever he did.
500
autosage could not stop the 500
Janny lost
>Delthea uses Glare>the anon was posting speed sharply dropped.
dyute cute
reminder that SoV had a rankings system.
Fire Emblem
>>737081542>horrendous growthsCompare her growths with Ivy's sometime. People put too much emphasis on totals for no reason
>>737081890spergGAWDS are the core audience for strategy games. if you're neurotypical you're probably secondary scum that plays for character shipping and should stick to persona.
>>737083450needs a harrier version added
>>737083450Why did they make this child's thighs so plump and fat?
>>737083494That's exactly the audience that hates capture though. Any strategic depth is considered an obstacle towards getting to read the next supoort
>>737083494you're a midsperg if your desire to capture junk stops you from getting lower turn counts
>>737083568bless the dedicated Doot artists
>500Nice work Echoeschads.>>737082962>I feel like "use Lyn" is an incredibly reductiveI get where you're coming from and I too hope people move on from this mindset that the rings are the units when there's more synergy to it than that. Building an Engage team is about picking who you want to use and deciding what class/ring combo works best for them.
fire emblem builders when
>>737083603you might as well be a normgroid if you aren't planning every map so that enemies don't get to attack so the equipment you take from them comes with max durability (that you don't use because it's rare).
>>737083635The problem is that people pick and choose favorites for their argument. I don't care if somebody doesn't want to use Citrinne because of "bad growths", but just admit mages suck in the midgame without Lyn.
>>737083637fire emblem breeders when
mae anal
>>737083725Mae was from Shining Force not Fire Emblem.
>i remembered the AI of Delthea anon made years back when it was a thing. wonder what thread it was on /vg/
