>>737034735
maybe because it's garbage just like D3

I heard it's fine but the endgame is just not really there. And ARPGs are all about grinding endgame. So there isn't really any reason to play it over a better skinnerbox.

>>737034735
Madden for ARPG fans

Not Diablo. Just activision live service product wearing the skin of it while not wanting to even have my main man Diabolo there. Diablo should've died at 3 but sadly blizzdrones are blizzdrones.

>>737034735
It was another monkey paw'd wish
Blizzard finally nailed the graphics that people asked for Diablo 3, but it did in exchange of making the game systems way worse
Not even fucking MOBAs have a system so bad as this one, what the fuck were they thinking?

>>737034735
At release it was terrible, by now it's pretty good, once the expansion drops at the end of the month it's going to be great.

>>737034735
I quit in Season 9, and the game has changed a lot since then.

>>737034859
>ARPGs are all about grinding endgame
I hate zoomers so fucking much.

>>737034887
>buzzword the buzzword buzzword wordbuzz

>>737034945
But it basically is, when people played Diablo 2, they constantly grinded for overpowered runewords or unique sets by repeating certain scenarios in highest difficulty or just grinding the cow level over and over, and then there was the uber bosses too, idk what makes you think it didnt involve a tremendous amount of grinding

>>737035032
Yeah, but that was zoomers born in the 80s doing it.

>>737035030
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH
lol

>>737034735
It's like a castrated Lost Ark in a Diablo setting.

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>>737035150
>zoomers born in the 80s

>>737035218
Lost Ark is fucking garbage and barebones in comparison, Diablo 4 shits all over it you contrarian faggot.

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>>737034735
Dull, all the skills lack any real impact and crunch to them. Somehow it feels worse than playing D3
Theres a shit ton of other problems too, but the feel of the combat is the worst one for me

>>737034735
The first part of Diablo 4's reveal showcased the open world with mounts. This was a clear red flag they were designing it with the goal of selling mount and character skins using other players as living billboards and then designing a game secondary. I lost all interest then and there.

>>737035261
...by being the enar exact copy of lost ark minus crafting?
well, lost ark has much more bosses with mechanics than d4
>>737034913
it's not good at all. The ollusion comes from people who didn't left since start saying that d4 is good. Everyone else elft already, leaving the echochamber alone with their delusion. That's why you think game is good, because majority of people criticizing it already left
how many seasons where they change everything because they still don't know who the game should look like or which arpg on the market copy? Oh and constant clash with devs wanting to make an actual game vs corporate fucks who force them to make content that farm money or sell cosmetics
In reality, d4 has no niche. The only diffirence would be graphics, but then a ea poe2 have more monster variety than diablo4

>>737035534
>the game is not good, you just deluded yourself to see it good
this cope always make me laugh

>>737034735
>game is overpriced shit
>nothing of promised is made it to the game not in the shape of money paw curse
gee, why no threads outside of paid blizzard shill companies?

>>737034735
It sucks.

>>737035652
each d4 thread here had walls upon walls of text with criticism why the game is bad
check archives, none gonna spam it again and again because each thread there's a zoomer like you asking to be spoonfeed. Game is bad. Explanation why was told multiple times. Lurk more tourist

>>737035534
>>737035806
>esl babble
Opinion discarded.

>>737036445
>d4 player
>no arguments outside grammar nazi
unpaid turd marketer

>>737034735
>$90
Enough said really.

>>737035237
>will call anyone over 6 months a boomer
>but will FREAK THE FUCK OUT if you don't target zoomers accurately
Ok, boomerzoomer.

>>737034735
dull, live service shit was a mistake - they took on the wow model for their expansions, where buying current expac gives you the previous one, but if you already have the previous one you only lose your money, you don't even get a discount - and the pricetag they put on the complete experience (which is still shallow) is just baffling for how little it offers

>>737036796
>price
Who cares? Everyone makes six figures these days anyway.

>>737034817
no, it's much worse than 3

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i played it now again with the paladin reveal but fuck it's still just so fucking mindnumbingly dull. I dunno how i'm still so buckbroken with blizzard i fall for their shit. Well, i'll come back again when the dlc drops but for the foreseeable future i'll keep playing PoE

terrible woke bullshit with moronic decision to paywall and force everyone to wait 5 years before we finally actually get to fight diablo, instead we got girlboss and asian orphan escort simulator for 3 years

>>737036976
>woke
Imagine just lying.

>>737037025
how first xpac is NOT woke?
also
>succubus and queen of succubus
>demo species designed to seduce humans
>so ugly that they cannot seduce even a necrophile

>>737037091
>calling Lilith ugly
Oh, you're gay. Not liking attractive women means you're dishonest with yourself as well.

>>737037125
>lilith
>attractive
dunno maybe try leaving your home once in a while
she is hideous, a disgrace to flat justice

>>737037125
>wrinkly faces are attractive
Lol

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>>737037185
Nigga you gay.

>>737037238
>hag face
>random horns making it even more hideous
>tits not only small but you have a literal airport between them
>whole figure paired with outfit lacks any curves
>holywood zombie face
yes, you neeed to be gay or necrophile to be sexually attracted to "that"

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>>737037379
If I let you suck my cock, will you be satisfied?

>>737037436
>remove lipstick
>literal skinny man
you are gay as fuck, if you want to make a succubus maybe try copypasting stellar blade gooks in
>screens from 2023.06
So you also got baited and bought it. I know your pain, I did the same mistake. let it go

>>737036976
Ehhh, base game is fine. Expansion however is your tipical girlboss trash. Nayrelle sucks ass, its like babysitting a retarded teenager, while the game somehow expect you to praise her for her retarded shit. The ending especially felt like a slap, everyone shitting on Eru, while he was honestly right

>>737037591
I quit in S9, as I said earlier in the thread. Also, who played the campaign more than once?

This entire subgenre of ARPG sucks dick and I'm glad Demon's Souls came along and put them all in the dustbin where they belong.

If you're still playing this shitty screenspam numbers go up brainless loot casino game like poe or diablo in current year idk what to tell you. You are wasting your life away on some slop that means nothing other than to sell cosmetics.

feels like too much of a mobile game. there's no actual sovl to it, unlike diablo 3
the game tries to be gritty, but fails at that extremely. it doesn't have anywhere near the vibe of diablo 2 for example
I just don't really get why anybody would play it. where's the fun? it's less fun than actual mobile games, and takes a full PC rather than just getting out your phone
if you want the item and theorycrafting autism then poe is better
so why play this

>>737038031
>diablo 3
>soul
Holy fucking shit lmao
Diablo 3 was so shit it made people seek alternatives. One of the big reasons why PooE blew up was because it reminded people of diablo 2.

>>737038403
PoE blew up because og chang asking people about phones durning shitcon
d3 was kinda saved when RoS launched. When looking at D4 we were too harsh for sure when shitting on D3

There are things to like about D4, but you can feel corporate jewry trying to get its fingers into your wallet every time you open the menus.

>>737038531
PoE came out way longer than this, dummy... people were saying "if you hate Diablo 3 then play PoE because it's like Diablo 2".
And nothing "saved" Diablo 3. It just got a bit more acceptable. But the stink remains.
Also I'm still amused by how Diablo 4 repeated the launch day mess that happened with 3. Can't believe people defend always online garbage now when Diablo 3 launch was one of the big arguments against it.

>>737036887
/thread

>>737034735
boring. you'll bang out a season because its easy and then never think about it again

>>737038403
PoE is a shit game and nothing like d1 or d2 and only ever resembled d2 endgame which was cancer spam slot machine. PoE didn't do anything of merit in regards to the acutal playability of the game, it still functions like d2 but just janky 3d, still poe2 plays like fucking ass, same gameplay of just spam the screen with particles and melt your gpu while doing 20 trillion damage to the skeleton that has 40 trillion hp

>>737038630
PoE is always online AND battle pass and microtransactions AND loot boxes. It's far more cancerous than any diablo game ever was

>>737038692
PoE was free to play. That's the difference. The fact people defend always online shit and crap themselves over SKG when back in the day people being blocked from playing a product they legally paid for because of server issues was a huge drama still blows my mind.

>>737038403
d3 was fun and had sovl
people played that game for years as well
sorry you missed the memo
too stuck on the simplistic aspect to enjoy it
PoE took ages to blow up as well and it was mostly due to kripp
it sucked, and still sucks in a lot of ways. people were literally forced into liking it by the developers spam releasing content constantly for it
meanwhile d3 survived for years with almost no content released because it was actually fun

>>737038630
too much parroting bullshit about poe
it was a small game, even more hardcore. Ruthless mode is what poe looked like around diablo 3. After RoS it was only semi alive because if streamers picking PoE and game getting changed from mmuh hardcore to more accessible but it was still realative small game. It exploded after retard asked people for phones
>nothing saves diablo 3
except RoS did, the game actually became playable enough to even have general here
>>737038692
>poe
>lootboxes
holy shit at last pay attention to shit you're spewing

>>737034735
The foundation itself is very solid, but strange design decisions from Blizzard just makes so that every season ends up being boring borrowed power, plus you can get near-BiS and complete everything in like 5 days every time. It's way too casual-friendly.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the upcoming expansion though. It seems like they have finally realized that D4 is actually TOO casual and are attempting to bring it more in line with when D3 was considered "competitive".

>>737038809
>d3 was fun and had sovl
>people played that game for years as well
>sorry you missed the memo
Young blizzdrone, I know that you were still a little baby back then but Diablo 3 was the last straw that made many realize Blizzard just isn't the company they used to love anymore and moved on. Diablo 3 made people either go back to Diablo 2 or play Torchlight or PoE or Grim Dawn, it was this disappointing.
If you think Diablo 3 was "sovl" or some amazing game you're a genuine underage turd world actiblizz slop loving NIGGER RETARD.
>>737038887
>having a general means a game is good
LOOOOOL

>>737034735
Diablo 4 was an incredible game in 1.0. Then it all went downhill because of d3tards who just cried to make the game like d3.

>>737038905
I had been bitching about that from the beginning. They kept speeding everything up when it was 6 hours to hit endgame.

>>737038954
I think a lot of it had to do with that Rod Ferguson guy being in charge of everything. He was basically a "dad gamer" that only played for 1-2 hours every other day on his Xbox, and for some reason he was the guy making all the final decisions on everything because Blizzard execs thought that it would be great to appeal to "dad gamers" like him.

>>737038921
>having a general means a game is good
you mean game is actually good enough for a stable community to play and discuss it? Well d3 generals died before RoS, and RoS generals lasted longer than d3 one so yes it was a change, so stop with your weird cope about times you were simply not here, because you parroting things heard from others is already too obvious
also
>people going for PoE after diablo 3
the famous a2 on hell difficuly was easier than bullshit PoE had to offer. They straight up needed to implement streamers feedback and contain Chris autism to get players

Anyone know what happens to the seasonal paragon points you miss when the season ends and your characters move to eternal? Is there an alternate way to earn those points, or are they gone forever? I'm getting annoyed as hell farming the bloodied ancestral uniques.

>>737035032
90% of people who played d2 didn't do that

>>737034735
extremely boring
>>737034817
D3 looks good in comparison IMO

>>737038947
none cried about d3 you colossal retard, they ported d3 mechancis to d4 themselves because they cannot think of creating something new
their idea of "diablo 2-like" itemization was throwing those random stats like more damage when dancing under the sun while watching porn. Those people are paid a decent money to thinker shit like "this"

>>737039004
I guess you love gacha garbage.

>>737034817
3 is kind of fun too play on consoles as a sort of arcade type game.
4 is just a braindead mmo lite WITH FUCKING LEVEL SCALING AAAAAAAAA

>>737039198
sorry, but try with actual argument instead of turd gacha one
I still play d3 from times to times when they re-release older seasons. It's fun to play 2-5 days each season and amx out+clear it. Meanwhile d4? lmao

>>737038921
d3 definitely had sovl
sorry you are too stuck on d2 to realize it, but the world moves on
that game had thousands of hours of playability, and most people played it for years, even the people that pretended to hate it
it was objectively a good game, especially on release when most people got filtered by inferno
you seem to have got your opinion from reddit but forced consensus opinions don't fly here bud

>>737039273
I have a feeling that they _really_ wanted to make a Diablo MMO but the higher ups put a stop to that because they don't want to be competing against their own product (WoW)

>>737039314
I would add legit complaint agaisnt AH because pardo or whatever retard was seething about d2j
and how unplayable it was at launch with always online when servers were dying. Oh and itemization made around that AH
but that's it. It was a downgrade from d2, but you could still play it and have fun. Just RoS made it actually connected with clear endgame and goals instead of gutting X and patching it with Y because people were constantly finding loops or infinite multi glitch to oneshot everything

>>737039273
>I don't want level scaling because I want entire chunks of the world to not be viable
This is you.

>>737039467
level scaling is retarded in most of the games. Pint of RPG and especially ARPG, is to grow your character power
one of the main proof of your power lvel going up is revisiting old areas and smashing the fuck out of mobs that you struggled to kill
good level scaling have the bonus to scale when revisiting old areas so they're still not trivial, but you shoudl feel the diffirence in power. Shitzard is known for their retarded scaling where monsters are more and more difficult in the same zone because your level icnreased but you still need items to drop to match the new levels

>>737039580
If things are getting more difficult as you level in D4, you're officially the worst player ever. You feel your character get stronger as you put ability and paragon points in place. So if you go from level 1 fighting level 1s (though levels aren't listed for mobs anymore as they got rid of the NMD tiers) to 60 fighting 60s, you're substantially more powerful raping face. You're absolutely lying if you say it gets more difficult. You can gear off regular drops and ride to the level cap getting more powerful.

I fuck around on it when a new season starts but I get about a week at most out of it it's pretty shallow which is largely in part due to their reluctance to hold onto any seasonal mechanics.
The Paladin release season had that sanctify mechanic which added an extra layer onto gear chasing which was well received and could've easily been implemented into the base game but they decided not to bring it forward for whatever reason.

>>737034735
I like to play and get nice looking gear. In Diablo 4, you don't play for gear, you purchase it.

>>737039697
sorry I don't play d4 shit anymore past s5 and it was the case back then and with wow and any shitzard game
level scaling is a retarded thing and shitzard is especially bad at it

>>737039407
yeah there were definitely some shit parts
I actually didn't mind AH on release bc I sold a belt for $250
but when the bots hit max level yeah it became garbage
and the lag, yeah that happens with most popular games. it means the games alive at least
overall though great game, was fun and had sovl which is more than most games. just needed more content

>>737040089
the AH could be actually alive if itemization wasn't fully designed around AH, forcing it to either use it or farm for hours in hope of rare drop that actually benefits your character
it took them year to optimzie loot and then RoS to make loot character specific

Bounties are way better than helltides, there i said it.

>>737034735
>Don't think I've ever seen a Diablo 4 thread. What's /v/s opinion on it?

fun for one play through, but it's a bad diablo game.

>>737034817
It's actually somehow significantly even worse than d3 and I think d3 sux

>>737038403
Base D3 is the worst arpg. RoS D3 is the best arpg. Its only flaw is that it doesn't get yearly expansions.

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>>737039932
If you played up to s5 and you thought it got more difficult as you leveled, I was correct. You're officially the worst player ever. It's insane how powerful you get as you level.

>>737040193
I'm hoping that the whole War Plans thing in the upcoming expansion is a way for them to completely eliminate the terrible "just do Helltides for 55 levels straight" meta that has been going on for WAY too fucking long.

>>737038031
>so why play this
Let's establish a baseline: all arpgs have bad gameplay. It is what it is. So as for reasons why people like them, you're left with: art, world building, background lore, music.
PoE? Lame and gay.
Last Epoch? Lame and gay.
Torchlight? Lame and gay.
Grim Dawn? Lame and gay.
Titan Quest? Lame and gay.
Diablo 3 and 4? Edgy and cool.
It's that simple.

>>737038028
Play victor vran

>>737040405
exceptional post and wrong on many counts

>>737034735
basically a glorified cookie clicker like d3 cus the devs don't know how to make a game. blizzard is a revolving door of inexperienced nepots and diversity hires so it is what it is
it's alright, it's fun now and again to burn some time away. i caved and bought the paladin with the expansion and it was fun for a week or so
i don't really consider it a real game, i became so absurdly powerful in just a week that it's basically a power fantasy game

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>>737040405
>There actual people on /v/ who think the peak modern ARPGS are fucking D3 and D4

It's actually fucking over.

>>737040405
lol
d4 tries to be edgy and it's definitely not cool

>>737040871
it's a game about demons ofcourse it's edgy

After my disappointment in 3 I didn't even bother to check it out desu

If a new starcraft or warcraft game were to be announced I'd probably cringe amd brace myself, sad state of the industry

>>737034903
>nailed the graphics
No they didn't. D4 visuals and atmosphere are just a kneejerk reaction to fandom's reaction to D3, massive overcorrection. That's why everything is grey and boring, still lacking contrast, and super-duper-ultra GRIMDARK, and GOTHIC, and DARK. People complained D3 is more colorful than D2, but at most it had some more softness to it because of 3D artstyle, D2 still has a lot of color, but everything is contrasted against pure black, that's what striking. D4 took it way too far into another direction out of pure fear about D3 complaints.

>>737041128
Maybe its just me, but visually, i can barely tell whats going on in D4, its a complete clusterfuck

>>737039932
>level scaling is a retarded thing and shitzard is especially bad at it
It's really funny how you're a god at lvl 15-25 in WoW and your relative strength compared to mobs falls off a cliff in the 40s. If you queue into leveling dungeons and have a damage meter, you'll see that you're getting carried by lvl 20s. It's insane how badly they did level scaling in WoW. Maybe it's different now, haven't played since SL, and obviously they don't care, they obviously consider leveling a tiny irrelevant sliver of WoW's content.

>>737034735
Im midly excited for the new class and the new end game, but knowing blizzard, they'll fuck it up somehow

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>>737044315
I mean for now the new classess have just been reskins of their respective versions in d3 even down to skills. Spiritborn is just monk and paladin is mostly Templar. I don't expect any crazy innovation from the warlock either.