Why do we hate it again?
>>737048774It's the best game in the series and might be my favorite game in general.
>>737048774Is it worth picking up the vengeance release? I have the original but never beat it and as far as I know there is no way to upgrade
>>737048774I don't know I'm currently playing through it for the first time.Seems fine so far. Only obvious flaw is that it has that feel of a generic UE game.
SMT 3 > SMT 4 > SHIT > SMT V
>>737048774because its so good that it ruins other jrps and especially makes you feel stupid for liking nocturne>>737050758the new story is way better than the original
>>737051016SMT VV > SMT V > SMT 4 > SHIT > >NOCTURDfixed it
>>737050758I like the original and I normally hate the Atlus + versions, but even I think this release completely eclipses the original and indeed includes the original as a seperate campaign in-game. The switch version actually does let you carry over game clear files, but playing it on the switch seems like it's missing the point since the original is blatantly held back by switch hardware limitations.
>>737051081VV>Nocturne>IVImo, none of them are below shit, I like IV least but its still worth playing.
>>737051016V:V > Nocturne > IV:A > IV
>>737048774Hate? No. I just burned myself out on the gameplay and didn't return one day because the minimal story wasn't enough to keep me invested. I chose the default path if that explains it.
>>737051016>>737051081>>737051197>>737051218Serious question, i only played 4 but how come in these thread it's always threads about 3, 4 and 5, what about 1 and 2?
>>7370514191 and 2 are also good and worth playing but the actual reason is that there is a very clear jump in style of Atlus that came with Nocturne. Pretty much all Atlus games after Nocturne take primarily out of Nocturne. Even games like Strange Journey which are initially more like 1 and 2 are actually much more heavily influenced by post Nocturne design.
>>737051419>what about 1 and 2?They're old and different and it took Atlus 20 years to release them officially in the West.
>>737051419atlus started at nocturne
>>737048774no dungeons in a SMT game is criminal.what is this bullshit? its worse than pokemon in that regard. just a string of casualized boss battles which you can easily brute force (dont even need to grind or strategize around the boss' weakness)
>>737051164>>737051036Sounds good, I'll keep an eye out for a steam saleThanks lads
>>737052838>(dont even need to grind or strategize around the boss' weakness)That's a lie, I've had my ass handed to me loads of times
>>737052838Literally everything in the game is a dungeon, the regions of Da'at are all laid out like dungeons you advance through with midbosses and a final boss. It's less Nocturne 2.0 than it is a 3D version of Strange Journey, where every Da'at region is like a different sector of the Schwarzwelt, and Tokyo is like the Red Sprite, it's your base camp between each mission.
>>737054607i'll replay it and i'll come back to call you a liar if you're wrong. can you wait like 2 weeks in this thread?
8K GO(O)DNESS
>>737054607>it's your base camp between each missionI wish modern Tokyo felt more like that. Aside from a few side quests and when the game forces you, there's really no reason to ever go back.
>>737054751
>>737051419They are just not good.
>>737054816
I will now play your game.
>>737048774But we don't? Hell I would go as far as to call it the best game ever made. SMT VV is THAT good.
>>737051016Based and correct. Strange Journey is better than all of those games though.
>>737054882Post the right video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUVlx6x-B1I
Because they released a scam version on the Switch and then the full and playable version on PC.
>>737054963One day we will get a smt game with lore accurate nudity.
>>737054876PEAK LEWD
bruh
>>737055127>Starting a thread with a contrarian statement to guarantee repliesFirst day on /v/?
>>737054963ZAMN! Naamah looks like THAT!?
>>737055105PEAK AESTHETICS
>>737055224PEAK BUSH
Is the deluxe DLC worth it or better to save the 10 bucks?
>>737055310PEAK COLOR COMPOSITION!
>>737055373P E A K F E E T
>>737055127The funny thing is that right is a good game while left is a stylish game.
>>737055451INDIVIDUALLY RIGGED
>>737055451PEAK DEMON DESIGN
>>737055127Am I the only one that thinks Metaphor's combat is more fun that SMTVV? I know both are Press Turn but the job system they've got going on in Metaphor and being able to skip fights with the real-time combat is so much better
>>737055370You get two late game quests that give you two demons, one of them is the best support demon in the game and the other is Dagda who is cool. I don't think the mitama dlc is that useful for a normal playthrough.
>>737055479Right is also more stylish than left
>>737055546*than
>>737055526PEAK HEELS
>>737048774I don’t, SMT doesn’t have a bad mainline numbered release yet. Even the repackages are pretty decent, Apocalypse being my personal black sheep of the franchise, I still like it enough, but MORE than IV? Or more than Vengeance? You can probably guess the answer to that.
>>737048774There was a Switch 2 sale not too long ago with all the DLC. Did I miss out?
>>737055606PEAK YELLOW COLORS
>>737055746PEAK HNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
>>737055865PEAK FIRE EFFECTS
>>737055927UNIRONICALLY THE MOUST SOULFUL GAME OF THE LAST FIVE YEARSNow back to Dark Souls 2
>>737054682Sure thing amigo. You can call me a liar any time.
>>737048774I don't want to play any SMT games because the idea of having a "main character" in a dungeon crawler is nauseating.
>>737055546I think the field combat in Metaphor is a direct evolution of V's. I really want this to be the standard. With V it's cool how you have all the demons doing their unique gimmicks on the field but it's too easy to get advantage, having to knock enemies down while avoiding their at field attacks is kino. I'd also speed up most demons on the field, Bino is too fast for them.
>>737048774Why do none of my characters do damage? Battles take way too long despite hitting weaknesses.
>>737048774I fucking loved it and I only played creation, but I got burned out pretty hardI'll go back and play vengeance some day
>>737056432Rakunda buddy
>>737056432Have you tried Tarukaja?
>>737048774i liked it :)
>>737048774+ god tier soundtracks+ great combat system+ nice demons, lots of variety (from sexy demons to funny and weird ones)- dogshit level design- dogshit story- dogshit characters (except for Yoko, she cute)They need to hire new writers and level designersthen we'll get kino of highest order
>>737056432Stack passives that increase damage, debuff enemies and buff your team, make sure you're using strength based attacks on strength characters and magic on magic, do not double dip bino into both strength and magic, increase potentials with items for relevant elements on your best demons and invest in miracles for relevant bino elements you're using, pay attention to demon innate skills.
I don't. Best in the series, closely followed by Apocalypse and then vanilla V. Storytrannies need not apply.
>>737048774The player skills are just too op, always pierce, always crit, never miss, critical zealot things just explode way too fast.
Great game, however Digimon Story Time Stranger was a direct improvement. Great game, just get both on sale. If I told you to prioritize one I'd say get Digimon first.
>>737048774aramasa is the coolest move ever invented, my favorite part was killing each boss with it
I'm like halfway into Shinjuku. I went with a physical build for my Nahobino but I keep relying on elemental shards during his turn to exploit weaknesses. Some fights that's basically all I do. Am I playing the game wrong?
>>737058171>Digimon Story Time Strangeris it worth playing if i never played or watched any digimon? or is it like pokemon that relies on nostalgia
>>737048774But I don't?
>>737048774Most of /v/ is brown.
>>737058414wife
>>737058205Well done Aramasa, Well done! However, SAKANAGI+9>>737058281It's the trade off, Magic users can easily farm press turns, Phys users are better suited for burst damage. You can swap the turn order, so Bino goes after the mage who gets you your press turns, Alternatively you can invest in elemental physical skills, the Dracostrikes are available in Shinjuku and if you want to put points into Force or Light, Bino gets physical super moves in those categories.
>>737058281>Am I playing the game wrong?yes, you probably keep phys beano in first slot
>>737058543I do...
>>737058534>Alternatively you can invest in elemental physical skillsOh shit
>>737058281shards arent even that strong wtf. i mean if you are making it through then sure youre playing it right
>>737058285I didn't like all the talent/bond/farm related shit that is part of digivolving, but maybe you will. I just found it a big hassle.
>>737058281Early game SMT, magic is good because everything has weaknesses you can exploit for more turnsBy mid game this stops being the case for bosses, but Physical skills can still crit to give you more turns and you start getting access to better phys stuff (Magic can crit in V too with effects though)More turns is also why Omogatoki Crit is generally used even if other options are also good
>>737048774SMT games are carried entirely by their aesthetic and atmosphere, and are otherwise forgettable JRPGs. SMT V is a boring spiritual successor to Nocturne. Doi can only make humanoid designs.
>>737058616that's ok at least you're not reading guides or watching videos on how to play, just carry on
>>737058285You do a lot of the same things to build your ideal digimon. I'd argue Time Stranger is SMT: Digimon edition. Which is a good thing. Overall I enjoyed it a lot more than SMTV:V but I do like both and think both are worth buying.
>>737058747>>737058736>>737058543>>737058534Is this a good stat spread /v/ros?
>>737051419>what about 1 and 2?The only translated version of SMT 2 is on the SNES.
>>737058960Pump Vitality and Luck, don't touch Agility again.
>>737058960The stats are fine, I wouldn't really invest in Agi unless you're using low accuracy skills, i.e. critical Slash family. Better to put those points into Vit. But that skill list is atrocious.
>>737058616Big brain is realizing is realizing that the sorting of your units actually matter, which makes sense if you played IV cause you have minimal control over that shit and it decided battles.Whoever is hitting weaknesses should be in slots 1 and 3, and slots 2 and 4 should be whoever is using those extra press turns for physical or buffing. Your physical bino should be in slots 2 or 4 until you can guarantee criticals every turn.
>>737058960focus on 1 stat is better than spreading it, luck and agility arent really needed. and i personally prefer glasscannon without any vitalitylunge and aramasa is overkillglam slice could also be too much, aramasa is usually enoughtry swapping ruinous thunder for the elemental thunder spell, forgot its namebut dw meta fagging isnt needed, just have fun, most of it comes from having your own build
Should I get this or refantazio? My friend says its kinda ass, but also a lot of people clown on refantazio for the themes or whatever
>>737059091>>737059145Yea I kinda regret going so hard on Agility, feels pretty useless. I have one of those respec tablet things, should I just roll with what I've got or respec? >>737059236>>737059251Thanks anons :) I've never played an SMT or Persona before so I'm learning as I go
>>737059251>elemental thunder spell,*physical elemental thunder spell
>>737058519forgot to attach image
>>737058960>still using Lunge at level 43bruh...
>>737059304>should I just roll with what I've got or respec?i'd say roll with it till you hit a brick wall. you get more than one per playthrough, but i dont remember how many>>737059304hope your having fun
>>737058809>Doi can only make humanoid designs.I mean sure, if we ignore every non-humanoid design he's done.>inb4 Doi bad only Kaneko good haha giant dick funny amirightguys?
Why do I dislike persona games with no story or interesting characters? Gee I don't know.
>>737059289The only issues that VV has is that the plot is kinda thin, instead of fleshing it out the remaster just added a second story that also felt like it needed a bit more content. Gameplay-wise I loved every single second of it.Refantazio is basically medieval persona. I liked it but it's no SMT.
>>737059304>Thanks anons :) I've never played an SMT or Persona before so I'm learning as I goverdict so far?
>>737059304Agility only helps when you're using one of the low accuracy skills, you'll feel the difference when using the mighty cleave line. And these skill are very good provided you stack them with the accuracy passives.
>>737059304I went full STR + Luck 'bino and I was consistently getting crits on enemies by level 50, especially with multi-hit abilities like Aramasa and passives that increase your crit rate like Bloody Glee. So if you're miffled about missing out on hitting weaknesses that's an alternative. I was also getting tons of drops every battle.
>>737048774It's the best in the series, at least in gameplay.
>>737058739>>737058934thanks gonna wait for a sale
>>737051016SMT VV > SMT SJ > SMT 4 > SMT 4a > SMT 1 > SMT 3 > SMT 2.
>>737059304Agillity's main use is accuracy, so moves like Critical Slash and Crusher Onslaught which are normally much stronger than their counterpart but whiff more often can hit reliably. It has an effect for dodging but it's negligible outside the highest ranges. Those respec items are extremely generous the game gives you like 20 so if you want to respec you don't need to ever hold back, I don't think it's such a major investment you've made, maybe 10-11 points
>>737059304>should I just roll with what I've got or respec?You don't need to respec. More importantly you should figure out your skills. You've got some dead weight there and I'm sure you've got some demon souls or whatever they're called in you inventory you could make use of.The right passives make a world of difference like Critical Zealot if you're going going physical or resistances for your weaknesses.This is an example of my endgame Magic build, not a single slot is wasted.
>>737058934How the fuck is that digimon game good? Does it get good like later on? The player characters barely have animations and it’s just linear dogshit hallways and then menu simulator for getting new Digimons with 0 strategy. I uninstalled and got it refunded after 2 hours (when we get sucked into digi world)
>>737051036Is the new campaign really different? Im at the ice area right now and getting my ass kicked by normal monsters at level 50~
>>737059580Because you're a tranny.
Also played it on Switch on release.SMT3 is still my favorite but the re-release pleased me.
>>737051310Yeah the default story has been very fucking boring
>>737059868>digimon time stranger >good compared to a modern pokemon game sure actually maybe not better than PLA idk. compared to SMT? lolno deep deep sale game
>>737058285>>737059683Don't. The game is fucking dogshit. I fell for the Digimon meme because of browns on this board. Spend your time on a better game.
>>737058960use more passive skills like bloody glee, they fit perfectly with physicial sets since you only need 1 or 2 attacking moves
SMT IV & IVA HD REMAKE WHEN?!?!
>>737059507>hope your having fun>verdict so far?It's awesome. I didn't think I would get hooked like this. The combat was tough at first but I got the hang of things after a while. Demon Negotiation adds another dimension to it that keeps it fresh. The biggest things that's surprised me are how addicting Demon Fusioning would be, the exploration and the verticality of the world. Also the music is aces. I love this theme so muchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZ8cGSZyDkIt's crazy how much I've missed out on. I'm definitely gonna check out Nocturne when I'm done with V>>737059626>>737059787>>737059857>>737060004Thanks anons, I'll rethink my skills
>>737054682With how the board has been lately you got at least 2 days kek
>>737059878story wise its totally different, as in it actually has one now. but it still has the ice map with the big difficulty spike
>>737059593hmm, so VV for the gameplay (and also it has an improved story) and refantazio has decent gameplay but it's mostly for the story/vibes? ok. I was actually told VV had really samey combat that wasn't very SMT-like, but I'll trust u anon.
>>737059868>How the fuck is that digimon game good?It’s not.
>>737059289Metaphor is Persona mixed with SMT and Etrian Odyssey. It's good but some story sequences go on FOREVER.It gets shit on for being "anti-racism" but by the end the characters willingly admit that racism is impossible to stop. There are storytellers around town that tell you that every race has its own specialties and needs and they can't all be treated the same way.Most players just see the superficial ideals posed by NPCs and Antagonists (abolish taxes! End Racism! etc.) and assume that's the moral of the game when they are antagonists for a reason.
>>737059376sorry heres the correct image
does SMT V: V have missable shit? Do I need to play with a guide or I can yolo? I will only be playing it once
>>737060176Not really, you can just fuck around. NG+ can be finished in like 2 hours if you skip all cutscenes.
>>737055310>ACTUAL HAIRWOAH MAMATHATS PRETTY BASED
>>737060176>does SMT V: V have missable shit?no>Do I need to play with a guide or I can yolo?guide just kills all the fun>I will only be playing it oncethen pick the vengeance story at the start
>>737060176Why are millennials so allergic to just playing the fucking game?
>>737060176Nothing is missable but the platinum requires 7 playthroughs.Just yolo your first playthrough, if you decide you want to keep going you can look up stuff then.
>>737058809>SMT V is a boring spiritual successor to Nocturnepeople say this but i absolutely loved vengeance but nocturne bored me to death. maybe it was fatigue because i played it right after both 5 storys, but noc felt like a slog. everything i liked about 5 was more tedious or non existant in 3
>>737058015>Do not double dip into magic and strengthfuark is it really that much of a waste? I always like pushing magic first to target weaknesses then moving into PURE STRENGTH for phat crits
>>737060381have a lot of games but don’t have a lot of time to play them so I have to be careful with what I spend my time on
>>737060381t. gen zoomer boomer doomer gloomer milloomerto answer your question and ignore your bait, most gaymers these days just play games so they can engage in the community and shitpost in the thread, they don't have a lot of personal interest in the game itself.For example, if you told someone to post their favorite demon builds, would they?
I spammed aramasa and full STR till the end and fused whatever idk why ppl call this shit hard
>>737060434For me? It's Pixie.Now where is Raidou 2? I was promised a Raidou 2 Remaster.
>>737060176>>737060332In order to fight the Super Boss save your game clear on a different slot then Reload the game before the final boss.
>>737060502>For example, if you told someone to post their favorite demon builds, would they?This is something entirely different from just playing the video game. I personally wouldn't reinstall a game just to take some screenshots of the builds on my demons.
>>737060137ah right, so it's nuanced like how in P4 the gay and trans character are actually neither gay or trans. There's an element of taxes/racism/classism etc, but the game eventually concedes that to stop these things is a fantasy and tries to be realistic about what these things really are and their element in society. Something like that? ok.
>>737060610Fake fan for not already having 100 screenshots of games you enjoy.
>>737048774I don't hate it, I think combat mechanics and team building are the best in the franchise. it just needs an interesting world to navigate and a story that isn't half baked. as is the zones are incredibly boring wide hallways with 0 danger in them with no dungeons to actually crawl. I'll take narrow boring mazes over wide boring hallways any day of the week.
>>737060490What does this have to do with just playing the game instead of clinging to a guide like a cuckold?
>>737060059yeah the game can just hook you out of nowhere, happy for you you discovered it
>>737048774I have gnostic pokemon fatigue. They are even more repetitive than Far Cry or AssCreed.
Vanilla version was pretty awful but this was much better with the story and QOL fixes. 4, 4A and Strange Journey are still much better games but this is one of the best in the series.
>>737060564>AramasaI know you either didn't beat any superboss, let alone Shiva, or you played on Normal or below.
>>737060640Yeah you got it. Atlus is pretty good at addressing topics like that in reasonable fashion. Metaphor isn't as preachy as they say.You're trying to become King so obviously the MC has to try and please everyone.
>>737060678who said I’d be playing with one, I asked because if there were a lot of missables then I just wouldn’t play at least not right now because I hate looking shit up
No Kaneko no buyThe protagonist character design is also atrocious, what were they thinking
>>737060474Dungeons in Nocture are fucking miserable but it has infinitely more SOVL than SMTV/VV. Unreal Engine has completely fucked over the overall look of the game, and the story is a complete snoozer.
>>737060783Alright, then go buy that AI sloppa Tsukuyomi game.
>>737058809>SMT games are carried entirely by their aesthetic and atmosphere,Maybe if you're some faggot poser who plays the games on youtube.
>>737060486I have personally done a mixed strength and magic build and it was totally fine. It's great for letting you try out all of Bino's signature moves. Almighty Bino in particular gets a bunch of signature skills in both str and mag camp. You can also do what you're saying very easily, the game gives you a ton of re-spec items.
>>737060474I think going backwards in this series is rough. I played Nocturne before V(cause V wasn't out yet) and had a good time.I've tried to replay Nocturne cause I did everything in V and I never make it very far. Just a lot of little things like being able to brick your Demi-Fiend build adds up. I know I can install mods but part of me just thinks I could boot up another randomizer of V.
>>737060764That's cool, I'm really glad that there's at least a little bit of genuine depth and nuance in a game like this. I'm not a big fan of moral relativism in games or whatever, but fucking hell, JRPGs are usually so fucking insultingly simplistic. I tried playing time stranger recently and I just hated all the characters so much. Is it too much to ask for a JRPG that is a tiny bit more smartly written? I hate to sound like a fart-sniffing pseud but yeah, the genre is really crappy in that regard
>>737060776>I asked because if there were a lot of missables then I just wouldn’t play at least not right now because I hate looking shit upAgain, just play the fucking game. You don't have to look shit up like a cuckold.
>>737060783the character design in V is pretty good, though I do wish we could've kept the bino's second design in VV. Alot better than the mixed bag that was IV
>>737060931Should give you a costume option on NG + so you can play as Blue Buno, Tsukuyomi Bino, School uniform Bino and just Aogami
>>737060861To be 100% fair, that is absolutely true for some kusoge like IV where it's too easy or the original Raidou where Atlus had zero clue how to make it work until Raidou 2. You do not play those for the actual gameplay.
>>737060928>just play the fucking gameyeah I will after being informed about it and not because JUST PLAY THE GAME BRUH fucking zoomers not everyone is jobless and has infinite time to play garbage all day
>>737060059Based anon. I started with Nocturne after it rereleased on the Switch and it turned into one of my favorite games.>All dem demons>All dose skills>Debuffs make or break fights>The press turn system>Sexy and funny demons>ONE MORE GOD REJECTED
>>737061052I love Raidou 2. Made a game entirely around the LCK stat. Absolute legend.
>>737060875>bricking your demi-fiendhow? you pick a damage flavor (STR or MAG though MAG fiend isn't nearly as good as STR fiend) then level VIT/AGI a little bit.
>>737061052Yeah but if he actually played the games he'd know that that's not true for the entire series.
>>737061091Getting an extra press turn is great for a victory lap in NG+. I love this game.
>>737061091>ONE MORE GOD REJECTED*One more, God rejected
>>737061059t. malding wagecuck millennitard
>>737059857STATS GO OVER 99 IN THIS???HOLY FUARRRRRK
>>737060931>pretty goodI don't think this qualifies. You can go back and look at older series artwork to compare, it doesn't matter if you're just going to have a bad faith debate about it though
>>737061059you hate looking shit up and wasting your time yet you're doing both of those things here right now with additional steps and putting the onus on others to assist you in those activities
>>737061284All the way to 999 baby.Max level is 99 until you beat the Satan superboss then it can go to 150.
>>737061138You can just put all points into VIT. VIT is the best stat. VIT raises your survivability which is 90% of your heartache in Nocturne and it doubles as an attack type since all weapon type skills scale with VIT rather than STR. STR is crappy early game and MAG is crappy end game but VIT is great all game long.
>>737061284They inherited that from Apocalypse. I had the same reaction when I leveled beyond 99 for the first time in that game lol. Man I'd kill for a PC port of that game.
>>737061334I don't mind it, though he should've gotten a cool helmet to complete the super sentai look. Finger swords also aren't my favorite, I liked how Demi-fiend would conjure a sword of energy for any slash based attacks.
>>737061334No I agree with him. The Chaos Nahobino from VV is good too.
>>737061428>I don't mind itI mind it
>>737061428That's why for me it's Sakagani Rather than finger sword he just uppercuts the enemy. Most satisfying animation ever especially with the boss kill slowdown.
>>737061154True. I'm in it mostly for the demon fusion autism.
>>737061474One lack luster main character design is a small price to pay if it means we get a consistent art style across the entire game, unlike IV which only had good human character designs and the worst mishmash of demon designs ever seen in the franchise.
>>737051310This but I cleared CoC / CoV already but I marathon'd SMT recently (played 3, 4, 4A multiple times) and I got back to V and bros I can't, the gameplay is "fun" but it also feels sorta fucking ass. This is definitely the worst game to replay since the story has no sauce, the gameplay doesn't really evolve that much, and no fun set pieces.
>>737048774As far as I've seen people here generally think it's one of the best Atlus games. I wish I could get into it but I was just wandering around a wasteland and there wasn't really any life to it, but I imagine it gets better.
>>737059236Crazy that I played the game up until the 3rd area before realizing this.I'm a magic beano tho so it only really mattered when I needed to use Beano for other shit or focus on magic I didnt have on him.
>>737061704the combat is fun but everything inbetween the boss fights is a massive slog so I don't blame you one bit.
>>737061634>One lack luster main character design The character you look at the entire game front and center is pretty important, you're talking about it like its someone who you barely see
Amanozako a cute. Cute!
>>737060502I'll say I kept my Rakshabro around for a fat minute because of his debuffs skills and ransetsu feast being good as hell. Dude's look and attitude were also cool.
>>737061864I think the middle portion (Area 3) in both routes have quite a bit of a difficulty spike and it's both the dullest part of the game and it's a LONG ass slog. I think my main problem is I can't find a way to make my routes different. There's no variation in story, but gameplay wise I ALWAYS FUCKING SOMEHOW END UP WITH MURAKUMOOOOOOOOOO Nahabino even if I want something different. It even sucks more since I want to try the AGI build but it's shit to use against the superbosses and the AGI skills are ONLY on CoV and because of the way demons work, you sorta want specific demons instead of being able to work with your favorite demons. You can absolutely create mini parties of meme pixie builds and stuff but it's not as fun when it's not as optimal unlike the other games.
>>737061931I've already said I think it's fine so I'm not quite sure what you want from me man. The 2nd form is better than the first but I don't hate the original form.
>>737061334>Get a cool ass new form in CoV>SIKE BITCH GO BACK TO BLUE HAIRED TWINKFUCK FUCK FUCKKKKKKKKK I get it, they don't want to reanimate shit since they're lazy fuckers and OMG ITS LIKE MY ANCIENT JAPANESE MYTHOLOGY ISNT THAT KINOOOOOOO??? BUT FUCK FUCK TSUKIYOMI WAS WAY MORE FUCKING COOLER.
>>737062480eh you can run a party of your favorite demons thanks to stat items and skill essences, it's just a real pain to grind out the stat ups without the fuckin shitass DLC that increases mitama spawn rates. I cannot find it but there's a video of someone booming Shiva with Jack Frost
>>737062618That's why I modded Bino right away. Gave him the tsukoyomi form but green.
>>737062693I guess but some of those demon stuff feels a LOT better on the optimal demon compared to meme demons.
>>737062792it's easier because there's less busywork stat grinding wise for sure
>>737062892fair
This was my first clear of SMT & VV I chose Creation and Normal. Rate my tism.About 10 hours in I realized I fucked up and should've chosen hard but I just kept playing and even spent hours just reading the shit they had to say in the demon haunt, as well as giving everyone nulls until I realized what that made later bosses do. Shiva kept spamming almighty and I put in on easy for him alone, but I bumped it back up to normal Lucy and I think? got True Creation. I forgot about the DeminDemon dude and that masashisho funny japanese mask facepaint looking guy but i killed everything else.Took a break but the next step should be Hard + NewBorn and Take her Hand right?Since all my wives are lv 90+ (Mermaid and Muu Shuwa should be shown here but sadly Lucy kept throwing the sun at them. And for this transgression I'll breed his daughters in Vengeance without remorse.) they'll just be waiting for me at a ridiculous price, but I dont mind overwriting most of em with lower stats again but before I do, is there a limit to the "Demon likes you +random stat" or is there an easy way to grind incense? I think from love alone my Mermaid gained like +50 Magic over 100 hours together that I hesitate to let go.
>>737063534>165 hourschrist did you fell into a coma while playing the game?
>>737063534>or is there an easy way to grind incenseyou buy the mitama DLC and toggle it on. otherwise I remember grinding the bridge outside of the Egypt bozos hideout for mitamas in the original release, I am unsure if the same thing exists for Vengeance.
>>737048774gameplay is good.story is below mid. bad. reddit, even.no dungeons just open world slop, but it's not terrible. just not desireable.Nocturne > DDS duology > SJ > II > IV duology > SMT V > skip > IIt's worth playing. but once and that's it. good music. game was lewd. not woke. that goes a long way.
>>737063835>II that way above Iposer
>>737060137If you had to pick between VV and metaphor, which would you go for? They both look appealing...
>>737064281Opinions on I and II are pretty much all poser tier so it doesn't matter, they shouldn't even be on anyone's tier list unless you're a Jap in your 40s. The fact that they have the best settings and set pieces of the franchise doesn't fix the games themselves unfortunately
>>737060764>can’t romance HulkenbergFuck this game
>>737064620yeah they do. that's poser as fuck saying they don't belong in a tier list. I fucking LOVE SMT 1.yeah gameplay is a bit meh but let's be honest most good jrpgs have shit gameplay anyways.
>>737060901idk what you're freaking looking for but probably go read festival of champions
>>737064456SMT5 personally. I played Metaphor once. Played SMT5 about three times now.
>>737048774Its just not very good... The alignments are heavily one-sided as usual, there's shockingly little story, and gameplay wise it's just kind of a sweep. The Vengence additions give us a worse dungeon and a group of half assed villains to deal with. Strange Journey Redux had problems but I remember loli Demeter and the Alex murderhobo shit more positively than Vengence
>>737065050thanks, I'll go look into it now. Looks interesting.And I'm not looking for anything super complex or anything. I'm not an intellectual or anything. I just find most JRPGs to have an insultingly simple baby story with saccharine unidimensional characters. >>737065126ok, that's fair. Thank you. I was slightly tipping towards metaphor cuz it was 14 and smt vv was 20 (in keys sites lol) but if that's the case I might go for smt vv.How is the demon fusion stuff in this game? I remember in nocturne it was a bit autistic and esoteric
I'm in the group that thinks Strange Journey Redux accidentally makes the base neutral ending more based. Neutral's whole concept is about faith in humanity's power. What proves faith in humanity more than a time traveller from the future telling you that humans don't change and you shut their shit down and take a once in a lifetime bet because you believe in the human race.
>>737064456It's pretty difficult for me. I'd probably put VV a bit ahead of Metaphor but they're both pretty disappointing entries to me. Metaphor for being too safe and feeling too much like "Greatest Hits" and the final boss was an actual insult. SMT VV is alright, has way better atmosphere, music, more fun gameplay but I think the story is blander and there's just a lot of holes in it that it may feel sorta empty to play through. I would say Metaphor is the more "mid" journey while VV has better highs and lower lows but honestly there hasn't been anything like HOLY FUCK EVIL FLYNN KILLED YOUR GIRLFRIEND!!!!!!! HOLY FUCK YOUR MOM IS ACTUALLY YOUR GIRLFRIEND! HOLY FUCK THEY DESTROYED THE WORLD AGAIN.If you haven't played DeSu1 and DeSu2, I'd recommend those first.
>>737057993Yoko had very poor reasoning though. Sure she's a chaos rep and that's a hard thing to justify but her ending path is literally her sitting there saying that everyone should die and I'm supposed to be fine with that lol
>>737064456Not him but I have 80 hours in Metaphor and 170 in SMTVV but it sort of depends what you're in the mood for.Metaphor is 60% story and 40% combat while SMTVV is 10% story and 90% combat. In Metaphor there are breaks where you kind of just chill and soak in the world, in SMTVV there is only the fight you're in and the preparations you need to make for the next fight.
>>737065251It's time for you to consult the list.
>>737065493The fuck is your pic, a randomizer?
>>737065251Demon fusion is a lot better than in smt3. It's far easier to keep some of your favorites around much longer too.Select "take her hand" for your first playthrough. That's the new route - Vengeance. You'll want a key item in this route before you play Canon of Creation to unlock a secret boss in it that you can't do unless you played Vengeance on your last cycle.
>>737065449Counterargument she is very cute and she puts out. Also comes with the entire Qadistu
>>737065623>Take her hand when starting the game.>Reject her all game long.>Law end.
>>737065613You can fight Masakados regardless. Doing Vengeance before just unlocks SUPER Masakados, but regular Masakados is already a super boss on par with Demifiend and Satan.
>>737048774Because it is shit and only beloved by a loud minority of medication dependents who shill it heavily for free and not just on /v/
>>737065592I'll definitely watch gundam at some point in my life
>>737066205It seems daunting but in reality you're talking a dozen series of 50 23 minute episodes and some movies? It's actually way less run time than other long running TV series.
>>737065612Yup, it's pretty great.
>>737065303then the ending proves that humans indeed don't change and you're stuck on the moon babysitting them for eternityStrange Journey's original plot including all 3 endings was excellent, it reads just like some sci-fi flickthe hormonal time traveling daughterslut trying to murder you all game was atrocious
>>737065493I guess I'd like a good story, but how good is the metaphor story, really? I personally found persona 5 to have a horrible story that dragged and I hated how the social link shit had to be unimpactful, as they couldn't have anything substantial happen in case you didn't do a character's story.
>>737066545Metaphor's isn't bad. It has some really memorable scenes, twists and characters but if you didn't like P5's, you probably won't like Metaphor's. The social links in Metaphor are easier and you always rank up no matter what choices you make, but the character development remains separate.
>>737065592man now that I'm re-reading this list after watching a good chunk of them.....holy shit is the person who made this fucking retarded? a lot of this shit I heavily disagree with.
>>737066535>the hormonal time traveling daughterslut trying to murder you all game was atrociousthere's a Yukiko quota now
>>737066545I liked it but it is pretty standard shonen, power of friendship, unite all the races of the world and punch the evil emperor in the face.I feel like the team dynamic is important and I thought they had a better dynamic than Persona 5 but not as good as Persona 4. Does come down to personal preference though.
>>737066535Yeah, the true neutral ending is if anything anti-humanity. I can at least get behind the other two true routes. Chaos actually gives humans a chance to survive which lol, and whilst Law is a bit shakier the idea of having a purely benevolent god ruling this universe is a nice ideal compared to how law normally plays out.
>>737066535IS THAT LIKE MY FAVORITE MOVIE PROJECT HAIL MARY OMG KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>737048774i think they went too far with the telegraphing of big attacks like you know you have to guard or whatever
>>737048774I dont think Ive ever seen /v/ say anything bad about SMTVengeance
>>737051036>>737051164NTA but should I still play the original story or just jump into the new one? I probably wont do 2 playthroughs
>>737060486There's just no reward for a character having both physical and magic, so you're only sacrificing damage and skill slots for no gain.That said, swordmage type characters are cool and I sympathize with wanting to build your mc that way for cool points. The game isn't crazy hard or anything either, so you can totally get away with unoptimal cool-factor builds, especially when demons can make up for your weaknesses.If you get to postgame or whenever it starts feeling like shit you can just respec into something more practical
>>737067017>>737067432I can forgive the whole "social link stuff has to happen in a quantum superposition to the main story" shit if the main story and social links are still well written in and of themselves even if they don't affect each other. I didn't like that in P5, but what I REALLY didn't like in P5 is just the characters themselves. I could forgive an overall shit plot if there was good characterization and character development, but the characters are only good in their main story arc and then that's it.
Is the story in Vengeance THAT bad? I thought they fixed a lot in it. At least the gameplay itself is on par with nocturne, right?
>>737048774It's open world side quest goyslop.
>>737067690Honestly, CoV but CoV is a huge disappointment too seriously what the fuck was with that sahori/tao development. why even do a bait and switch like that. fuck you atlusI wouldn't even say it's too different in plot but it's a bit more "personal" (I guess) and has a bit more sauce.
>>737048774It's fun but the world/exploration is genuinely dogshit
Would Vengence have been better if the sister and the Egyptians were a fully fledged neutral route? Bump up their role a little so the debate isn't just two mentally ill girlpals debating whether killing everyone or granting everyone's wishies was the best path?
>>737048774Gay MCBad map Shit story
>>737067792CoC>go join tokyo demon hunting force woohoo!>oh no your school has a school shooter in it>stop her>acktually you know what fuck all the tokyo drama now you're going to going for the throne and going to become KING OF THE PIRATES>oh one of your classmates just turned into an evil douchebag i guess. >oh your other friend is chill but his new world is kinda meh so fuck him>yeah let's go join the evil jerk dude who's been pissing in your pants the entire game who hates demons but keeps a demon companion he constantly hates fucks>oh wait what he's serious about that? oh we're actually just removing all demons and going back to sq1? oh okay bye aogomi see yaCoV>go join tokyo demon hunting force woohoo!>oh no your school has a school shooter in it>wtf your gf decided to turn lesbo mode and then join her in school shooting wtf>lol nvm they both died and your gf megami tensei'd back to normal>do almost similiar things as CoC except this time you got two companions with one girl being goody goody two shoes and the other girl being an absolute edgelord >oh one of your classmates just got kidnapped sorta by the angels and oh great he's evil again>oh wait he actually kills your other classmate wtf>nvm basic ass battle for the throne again....>idk some subplot of some evil bitches trying to subvert things but they don't really do shit and you just decide between using the throne to bring things back to sq1 again or fuck it wipe the world and try again with a concubine>meh concubine pussy it is (btw if you do this path, you end up with goody goody girl for a while so you legit don't even know if you're on the right path, the actual split is right at the end which makes no fucking sense) Ngl I prefer Nanashi bungaloo instead.
>>737068309wow awkward meant to spoiler both oh well whatever
>>737067792Its bad... The main debate is almost humorous, Mastema is shoehorned in, and the main route representatives go out in the most idiot ball fashion imaginable. I personally don't think the extra gameplay is that great either. The novelty of facing Beelzebub is neat but the Qaditsu and Tehom are super filler
>>737051016V > DDS > Soul Hackers 2 > DDS2 > Nocturne > IV > Demikids > IV Apocalypse > TMS > Soul Hackers 2 > Strange Journey
>>737067792I wish they'd just dug into their development notes and finished the original story instead of invalidating with a new and also unfinished story of marginally better quality.
I refuse to refer to smt5 as V.
>>737069131>Tehehe, I'm an annoying brat.Fuck her.
>>737069131she could call me zako
>>737069131Best daughtersisterwife>(susanoo's daughter)>(protofiend's sister)>(nahobino's wife)
>>737048774Dungeon crawler with no dungeons.Player power tied to shitty plaforming collectathon.Graphics quality meant very limited demon variety.Bosses all devolve into using block element items you need to guess which to use with varying certainty.Seems comparatively short.Level factors into damage way too harshly.
>>737064953Well you're right that jrpgs are usually bad to play but sometimes it falls below an acceptable threshold. The pity is that by being a rudimentary spreadsheet simulator time has not been kind to some of the earlier games in this genre. Funny enough dragon quest 1 feels less dated than smt 1/2 though, maybe it's the encounter rates, padding, and weird cheesing the entire game with one weapon on autobattle
>>737051016SJ>4>3/4A>>>>5>1
>>737069772the only jrpg i dropped for the gameplay was xenogears. none of the SMT games have been that bad yet
>>737063835I personally love DDS1+2, but the fact that there is no recruit/fusion in any capacity really hurts the game in my opinion. Mantras in 1 are not an effective replacement, the grid in 2 is a bit better though.
>>7370514191 is fucking awful. Getting any demon to join you is a ridiculous hassle even trying with save states. You exploit casinos for guns to bypass 90% of the game. Also just having demons in the party drains a resource that only certain demon types drop so sections of the game you will just be draining that away.
>>737070069fuck you bitch. SMT1 has probably the most unique atmosphere in almost all of JRPGs. There's something about things going to shit over and over again (and staying that way) while you're just trying to do your best in stopping it from getting worse.
>>737070258>SMT1 has probably the most unique atmosphere in almost all of JRPGs.I don't think that's a controversial view but the convo is just about the gameplay
>>737070404meh gameplay is acceptable enough. i felt like SMT 2 had WAY more annoying parts than 1 did.
>>737048774I dont, I dont like JRPGs but this game has some of the most customizable party I have ever seen.You can make anything work and there are 123123123 things to tweakIts awesome
>>737058960You should try to always have light and dark immunity as those are the insta kills.
>>737069440The game needed a couple more silly SoL scenes with them.
SMTIV + A 3d remake would be my dream game. Such great games
>>737055546Most people do, and more people bought metaphor also
>>737070258Pure atmosphere goes to Breath of Fire V. SJ is also pretty atmospheric.
>>737055546>Am I the only one that thinks Metaphor's combat is more fun that SMTVV?Probably.
>>737051619>it took Atlus 20 years to release them officially in the West.>themSMT 2 had a western release?For that matter, did SMT 1 have one besides the long-dead iOS one? I'm horribly out of the loop if the answer to either or both of these is "yes".
>>737051016...on opposite day!
>>737072042Seething
>>737064620I played 1 and it was absolute dogshit. Is that opinion poser or not?
>>737072415
>>737072856replied to the wrong post?
why does SMT attract so many performative posers like ironic alice pedo anon
>>737073335shut the fuck up you're just plaguing the thread because nobody's giving you attention loser.
>>737073270Last good post I saw in /smtg/ was crudely drawn Alice cunny, I don't know if I'd call Alice enjoyers performative. I think the most performative people are the ones who go "no Kaneko no buy".https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/351090067/#q351112025
>>737048774I'm absolutely loving it so far, how obvious will the routes be? I'm going in blind but I generally don't tend to like Law endings.
>>737073921super obvious
>>737073270SMT is so diminished as a pillar that a brand new IP from the real persona team doubled the sales of their best selling release of all time despite being decades old. It got so bad they had to group vanilla and rerelease together to make it look good next to metaphor and p3r. All the fans are watching a slow car crash that started in 2021 that inevitably ends with the series becoming the new Etrian Odyssey. Of course everyone in that kind of fanbase is going to be some type of snowflake.
>>737048774It's possibly my favourite game ever. Being able to turn it around to such a degree after how underwhelming base V turned out was impressive. It certainly has the best OST of any game ever made.
>>737074192>slow crashLast two (three if we're counting vanilla V) games were all better than the last though?
Base SMTV was a piece of shit. I don't care how much you polish it, a turd is still a turd. Etrian Odyssey VI got gutted and will never release so Fatlus could drag this decaying husk of a game over the finish line and i'll never stop being pissed about it.Fuck Atlus, fuck SMT, and fuck the people giving them money so they can shit on their plates.
What made Vengeance so much better than Vanilla? Was it really that different aside from being on a better platform?
>>737073391>shoes
>>737074924It made Magatsuchi skills other than the fairy one viable, for one. In vanilla all you ever used was the fairy Magatsuchi because it gave you a full Rasuta Candy, a full Debilitate and had a chance to inflict every single status effect; meanwhile, none of the other skills were all that good. VV added a lot of new Magatsuchi skills and rebalanced some old ones so they were worthwhile options.Other than that I can't remember all that much from vanilla, other than obviously the new route and new demons.
>>7370514191sleep bullets puts any enemy to sleep cept like four2you're demons use mag to survive when not in the light, in 1 you can mass enough it's not a big deal if you're not running away, but in 2 they fucked up and made the two humans uber strong to compensate for the fact you'll just be using those two most of the time as your mag goes to fucking zero all the time and your party unsummons.
>>737051419>what about 1 and 2?They suck as games, muh vibes is not enough.
>>737070069MAG is a bigger pain in SMT2 I find, which much longer stretches of no MAG dropping at all.SMT1 (I played PS1 so I can only speak for that) was more about swords/lightning magic than guns honestly, SMT2 felt much more gun centric. I had with the MC with the hinokatgutschi at the end of 1 but otherwise I had him swinging the biggest sword I had on hand, and the heroine with guns/lighting magic for stunning.
>>737051419>what about 1 and 2?They're genuinely awful. I don't know if they were amazingly revolutionary back when they came out, but in the modern day they suck.
>>737072123Anon, be real. Metaphor is not a memorable game and its combat system isn't anything special.Even a fucking Soul Hackers 2 has a better combat than Metaflop.
>>7370720612 no, 1 only ever got the iOS port.
>>737075836I liked 1 alot, and 2's story is pretty cool but gameplay wise both are kind of just autobattlers. I loved the mazes though, probably why SJ is my favorite game in the franchise because it has the mazes and it has an actual combat system.
>>737075954I just hated how the combat is just auto-batttle and the exploration is endless mazes with half the corridors leading to dead ends. It's not the worst game I ever finished but definitely the most painful one. Soundtrack is a 10/10 though.
>>737076096I'm a bit more sympathetic towards the auto battling stuff because it's obvious that trash mobs are exactly that, trash. they are a drain on your resources and they are fusion fodder and that's basically it. every now and then they land a lucky crit and the auto battle is switched off to recover but otherwise they serve as minor obstacles, where the later games very much weigh regular battles much more. so the game is more about navigating the mazes without wasting too much MAG/SP/healing items before you get to the boss, which is a real battle you need to actually control. but I understand why that may not be appealing, I found navigating the mazes very enjoyable though I did think 2 started to drag a bit towards the end, and the final boss is a massive damage sponge so the fight just gets very tedious.
>>737074924The sheer amount of content is the main thing. It has 42 different battle themes, many of which are only used once, and they're pretty much all bangers. The new route is more interesting even if it still has its flaws. The new boss fights are all really good with some neat ideas, like Hayataro tanking you in the Yuzuru fight (which also has its own unique banger of a battle theme). The quality of life stuff is also welcome like being able to save anywhere, shortcuts and Return Pillars not being limited for no reason.My only real complaint is that it's not hard enough. You very quickly become OP if you've ever played an SMT game before and some of the coolest fights never get going because you annihilated them in a few turns (Nuwa and Shohei being a prime example).
>>737076469>so the game is more about navigating the mazes without wasting too much MAG/SP/healing items before you get to the bossUntil you learn the correct dialogue options and have high enough stats so you can just talk away every demon and have 9999 Mag at all times.
>>737076621>>My only real complaint is that it's not hard enough. You very quickly become OP if you've ever played an SMT game before and some of the coolest fights never get going because you annihilated them in a few turns (Nuwa and Shohei being a prime example).Same. When they announced VV I was hoping that they'd add a Vengeance super hard difficulty like Apocalypse had. One that really busts your balls and requires you to use everything the game has.
>>737077135>Until you learn the correct dialogue optionsno such thing, it's pretty RNG for the most part. And even if it wasn't then that is a good reward for making your MC INT based despite not being able to cast magic, you get to talk your way through regular battle and rely on your party for fights that are unavoidable.
>>737048774cause i bought vanilla a week or two before this was announced and felt like i wasted my money
>>737077301>no such thing, it's pretty RNG for the most part.It's not. You can pick the same options every time and if one of your stats is high enough (I can't remember which stat determines demon talk success) you can pick the exact same options every single time and get demons to fuck off and gift you Mag..
>>737074924They added a ton of extra waifus for pathetic incels to salivate over. It's rare to have a game appeal to me directly in modern times.
>>737077392probably needs quite the investment then because I got the int minimum you need to beat 2 and after testing via savestates and talking to the same demons in different encounters it was pretty random. either way that's a huge ask, and a decent reward for making your main character much weaker in combat.
One of the best demons in the game and it was a mistake to use him to fuse some worthless goddess
>>7370604865 has this scaling system where it scales linearly up to a point based on your level, then drops into square root scaling where it hits massive diminishing returns. The upshot being yes you generally aren't losing that much by splitting
>>737077551Yeah it's a late game thing. Only thing that kept me from offing myself in the final Law Dungeon.
>>737070069get estoma bish
>>737077617>Souffle D'éclair is the strongest Magic attack in the game in terms of damage input, having a base power of 330.But why?
>>737077996And they give it to a physical focused demon
>>737076096Japs were still making dungeons into the wormtrack spacefilling mazes of CRPGs from the early '80s on the SNES because they didn't realize the point of them was using every cell in the array
the base game for me was so good I never gave a fuck about the nigger edition they released later.
>>737048774Because this game drives a car. Do you know how many people die in car accidents?
>>737074924The story was shit but in VV they added a new girl that made the story absolutely unhinged and was so much more entertaining.
SMT VV was kinoCARS BAD YOKO IS THE BEST (POST FEET)
>>737051016i want contrarians skinned alive
>>737069831Strange Journey is auto battle slop, how anyone finds that game challenging when sources completely break the game is beyond me.
>>737075872>be real. [Impotent screeching]
>>737069737>demon varietymeanwhile every demon almost in 5 at least tries to have unique passives and stats where as all the demons in 4 all fall under the same 4 or so stat lineups
>>737074924actual magic builds
>>737082283They do in 5 too and there are maybe 10 passive effects across the entire roster that are worth anything Absolutely unreal that they did a whole Doi Satan boss fight and when you get him he's fucking useless
>>737075872it feels so good to wake up every day knowing i'm not a fat miserable jaded piece of cock smoking shit like this anon, genuinely.
Honestly i just want persona 4, i liked p3r and smtvv but i didnt vibe with metaphor
>>737082480>I just want actual garbage
>>737082512refer to >>737082419
>>737048774Vengeance's changes saved V('s gameplay) but it's still a pretty flawed game with no dungeons, dogshit storytelling, and ass characters.Base V was impossibly trash though.
>>737082512correct, and hopefully they add the yosuke romance to thee remake to make you tard seethe
>>737048774it's a SMT game after strange journey
>>737048774I've been V's strongest defender on /v/ since it released, I've always loved it. The issues with its story were more than made up for with how the game plays and is designed in pretty much all facets (besides the dungeons.)
>>737048774one complain i have about venagnce is that it almost never force you to change your team, i played 80% of the game with the same team and only have to change it for shiiva.
>>737082672V is basically the fire emblem engage of the series. The story was bad enough that no one really cared about the gameplay improvements (and still don't)
>>737082825god tier gameplay and cute girls = two great games nobody gives a fuck about the stories in these games
>>737082825And fittingly it also causes the same levels of fanbase war as Engage does as a result.
>>737082825Engage I think sold better than VV kek
>>737056323>I think the field combat in Metaphor is a direct evolution of V's.In reality they're completely different streams. The last press turn game the metaphor devs worked on was DDS, and it shows.
>>737055546I think execution is everything, in the end. Metaphor's job system and the ability to use multiple press turn icons at once for stronger moves both give it an edge in theory. I at least think it's more interesting to make decisions for 8 or so party members on what jobs they should spec into for a specific build, but I don't think the boss or enemy design is as solid when it comes to getting you to make full use out of all the game's systems. Most of the time, anyway, I recall a few bosses where using a particular job was clearly expected and swung a tough fight into a cakewalk.
>>737082728Really? I played on Hard and I had to change my team fairly often. My complaint with vengeance is that the best build in the game is very obvious and there's no reason no to use it. Also grinding late game is cancer
>>737082621Im convinced SJ is a game people say they like cause it makes them look like they have taste. SJ has a good story but the most 7/10 gameplay imaginable
>>737087181That's kind of how I feel about Nocturne.
>>737067792Honestly I think its one of the better SMT stories. There's a lot of focus on the demon mythology feeling authentic yet still tying it in fun ways to modern societal problems and I really like how all the allignment characters actually interact with each other and debate instead of existing in their own seperate worlds.
>>737087630I really like how the entire conflict is framed around the idea of America's sundowning empire and what that means for the world at large and Japan. People talk about IV being like a soft remake of 1 but I think that's only in the shallowest sense, thematically V is much more in-line with the evolving conflict and themes 1 presents about US imperialism and Japaneae nationalism
>>737088157i only remenber something something about bulls and sneaks, did they really mean that?
>>737087630Eh, one thing I don't like the more recent SMT games doing is making the Norse pantheon into full demons when a major facet of their society was the fact they were technically mortals which Idun's prominence only underlines.
Law or Chaos?
>>737088236It's absolutely what the game is about, the demon UN scene is super on the nose about it.
>>737087181SJ just has that right kind of feeling of being backed into the corner, trapped in an alien world, with an oppressive atmosphere where you claw your way forward that I love. Helps that the OST is my favorite SMT one. Law and Chaos routes are both stupid but outside of of DeSu I that is basically always the case.
>>737088284Lucifer did nothing wrong
>>737074859Yeah well but Labyrinth of Touhou will always be better than EO
>>737088931thanks for the reccomendation, wanted to play a dungeon crawler from long and didnt want to play the edgy shit of NIS
>>737048774It's literally just Nocturne without any of the things that made it interesting or funAlso I played it on switch LOL
I installed lewd mods for as many demons as I could and had a fun time :3
>>737058281you didn't figure it out? you only need two weakness exploiters for any fightideal party set up is:>weakness hitter>buffer and/or healer>weakness hitter>Nahobino / burst damage guythis way you always get 8 turns. typical flow would be as follows:>hit weak (+1 turn)>buff party>hit weak (+1 turn)>Nahobino Charge / self buff or party buff / or just attack>hit weak (+1 turn)>buff or heal>hit weak (+1 turn)>buffed Nahobino nukesall this happens in a single Player Phase
>>737088856Given that he regrets it, I think he did something wrong.
>>737048774i don't, the vengeance version was a straight upgrade. unless you mean compared to the other games, in which case i'd probably rank them3 > IV > VV > SJ > 1 > 2 > IV apocalypse
>>737087181The problem is that you have to like dungeon crawlers. A lot of people who grew on traditional jrpgs aren't necessarily into that. But if you are you likely will enjoy it. The only thing that sucks about it is the dungeon rehashing in the latter part of the game, that was just super lazy padding
>>737091027The dungeon crawling is decent, the actual combat is just as braindead as earlier titles.
i played the original and i'm interested in VV but i really hate that purple protag redesign. is it possible to turn that shit off?
>>737092130SMT combat was never deep though, I can't believe this meme is still alive. It stood out for westerners when they were first discovering it only because it was less forgiving than final fantasy and other similar games they played before it
>>737087181>>737087378This is more than obvious but it is worth pointing out that Vtroons can only defend this shit game by shitting on previous entries, there's like no salvaging this shit in a vacuum because of how bad it is they need to resort to >well, its better than these games from 16, 21, 35 years ago!!Even though those games still possess worlds and stories that people can manage to immerse themselves in with a little imagination in order to tolerate Atlus gameplay (which still hasn't improved)You literally have to be a deranged Persona troon or this kind of troon >>737089668to enjoy this crap
>>737058960>lvl 43>this buildthat is vanilla god damn aogami resists.
>>737048774I got to the end and wanted to kill a samurai Super Boss before I finished up the game. But I got so burned out trying to kill him, that I dropped the game. I lost bros...
>>737092576>i-it was never deep actually!Depth isn't the issue. The gameplay is just less engaging, demon coop is worthless past the first few dungeons because physical hits so much fucking harder then magic then you can ignore it and just auto battle. People meme about STR builds in Nocturne but physical in SJ might actually be the most busted it's ever been. The only exception is one boss fight where you actually need to use demon coop and the final boss basically punishes you for engaging with the system. At least 4 despite everything in that game being a glass canon was never like this, fucks sake you can get both luster candy and debilitate before even hitting halfway
>>737070069>1>CasinoYou didn't play the game.
>>737094623>NOOOOOOOO NOOOOO YOU CAN'T HIT HARD AND DO DAMAGE AND USE DEBUFFS TO WIN NO NO NOOOOWhy are you like this?
>Omnipotent Succession>Debilitate>Debilitate>Luster Candy>Pass>Evergreen Dance>Omagatoki Critical>Heavenly Ikuyumi>Heavenly Ikuyumi>Heavenly Ikuyumi>Heavenly Ikuyumi
>>737065136Loli Demeter's design is great though. Demeter's whole mythos has her be victimized and raped by her brothers until she performs a gambit and outwits all of them to bend to her whims. Being displayed as a child showcases her perceived weakness really well and SMT has her display her amazing ability to scheme and pivot when necessary. With Strange Journey her appearance is also meant to display weakness and innocence to lure people in.
>>737095563It was kinda fun at first but all the good Bino skills introduced in Vengeance require way too much set-up so I went back to Murakumo+phys Bino.I didn't want the MC to be doing nothing for most random battles. Fixing the passive skill bloat would be great for the next game.
>>737048774Only smtiv babies hated it. It was loved by the actual fan base. Nintendo fags just suck. The game is literally too deep for them.
>>737096010Oh don't get me wrong, Murakumo is definitely more efficient skill-slots wise. But god damn is it the most boring way to play (for me).
>>737048774V was pretty boring and while VV is probably better I'm not gonna go through it again on that offchance
gogmagog smash
That missable talk with the dudes at the shrine was nice.
>>737095563>>737096010>vengeance introduces paraselene blur>good skill but by the time you get it every fucking end game boss has light resistancebruh
>>737097031>>good skill but by the time you get it every fucking end game boss has light resistanceSo you NEED to run Impaler's Animus with it yeah. They improved a shitload of things in VV but they didn't address every endgame build being just 1 attack skill and the rest passives.
>>737082419>SMT thread>anon is thinking of sucking cocksYup. A Metaphor "fan".
