>you know this whole Yevon thing is a racketWhy didn't Auron just throw down the deck of cards on everybody?
>>737054440he was focused on going to kill Yunalesca and guiding Tidus
>>737054440Nobody else was going to believe him until the confrontation with Yunalesca so he didn't bother. As for why he didn't tell Tidus, it's probably because he knows the guy can't keep his mouth shut and would ostracize himself from the group far too quickly. Tidus earns a lot of their sympathy and pokes at the heart of their insecurities about their religion without triggering rejection because they all believe his brain is scrambled and he has amnesia. Him not understanding something or voicing that he thinks it's weird or bad (when they also secretly feel that way but can't bring themselves to openly question it) is okay for an amnesiac to do, and forces them to justify themselves. If Tidus starts talking about specific knowledge about the religion AND calling it fake and evil and their whole lives a lie all at once, he stops being 'a poor amnesiac who struggles with the difficult reality' and becomes 'that crazy heretic who hates god and wants us all to die.'
Anon, every after everything the party goes through and learns about Sin and Yevon and the theocracy of the dead, they STILL don't give up on the Pilgrimage and sacrificing Yuna and one of her Guardians until Yunalesca flat out laughs in their faces and tells them Sin is NEVER going away. Yuna, Lulu and Wakka are all willing to go through with it up to that moment.It's the shock of seeing it all happen in real time, having to experience it themselves, with Tidus' presence and perspective putting just enough doubt into them to make them (or really just Yuna) believe there could be another way to save the world. That Yevon and the Teachings and the Final Aeon and the "spiral of death" don't have to rule Spira forever.If Auron had just told them that they would've doubled down on their deeply held beliefs and closed themselves off to any alternative. That's why he says nothing but insists Tidus be taken as a guardian alongside him. He needs them to go through what he did.
>>737054440he'd have to murder wakka in the process
>>737056534Wakka's vocal about it and hates the Al-Bhed because of his brother but Lulu is just as into the whole thing as he is.
>>737056840Lulu doesn't seem unhinge or anything, i suppose she just genuinly believe that Sin would eventually stop showing up if people completed the pilgrimage and followed the teachings of Yevon.
>>737057061Lulu is a more classic true believer. She believes in all this but doesn't feel the need to be confrontational because she's secure in that. Wakka is, despite the Grand Wizard memes, actually the doubtful one. His brother dying made him hate Al Bhed and reinvest strongly in the religion because it also made him doubt the justice of this world and the tenets of his religion. He's loud and abrasive and insists on the teachings because he's trying to convince himself as much as he is everyone else.
>>737057269I think Lulu had her doubts at that point. People forget she already lost a Summoner before. She went along with Yuna hoping she could protect or stop her in some way, not to see her reach the end of her pilgrimage.
>>737057061Lulu went on Pilgrimage twice before taking Yuna and got to the Calm Lands both times. The first time her summoner died, the second time the summoner gave up. Now she's doing it again with a girl she's known 10 years and is basically her little sister. She's really dedicated to Yevon.
auron didn't do shit because he knew it was all futile, spira is dead and everyone in it is a fucking ghost
>>737057505>because he knew it was all futileAuron is driven solely by the belief that it's not futile and he can fix everything like he promised to Braska and Jecht. He wouldn't be undead if he didn't.
>>737054880This nigga didnt play the game lmao looked over a reddit summary
>>737061668I played the game when I was ten years old senpai.
>>737054440It wasn't his story.
>>737054440Auron held his cards close to his chest. Keep in kind completing the pilgrimage to begin with is not a given, so he focused on making sure Yuna actually gets to the finish line first without stirring up shit that would potentially distract or disintegrate the party.
>>737059032Still never understood why it was such a big secret that the dead could still survive if attached by purpose? If people knew that you'd just die and become immortal.
>>737062090What was his purpose?
>>737062090Doubt everyone has a strong enough purpose to do it
>>737062239He was basically Spira's leading political figure and politicians are cunts
>>737062090Because only the truly driven become sentient, non-fiend unsent. And if you're tying yourself to a singular purpose you will eventually succeed or fail at it to the point your hold on Spira dissipates and you go to the Farplane anyway. Or maybe turn into a regular fiend.>>737062239Ensuring Yevon runs the way he wants it to run for as long as he can. He's a mixture of self-obsessed egotist and genuine belief that the Final Summoning is literally all there is to keep people from the endless despair of knowing Sin is never going away.
>>737054440Because few would belive him and the higher ups would probably ostracize him.He also wanted Tidus/Yuna and co to figure it out for themselves.
That scene when one of the Maesters asks why Auron is still here is great when you know the truth later. Also how Yuna and co don't know whats going on. Auron knows, the Maesters know etc but none of them do.
Where was Auron between when Sin takes him at the beginning of the game and when you get him in the party, does it ever get brought up, presumably just making his way to Luca but that's boring
>>737054440Auron's been through it himself, he knows what it takes to make someone of unshakeable faith actually recognize the truth. Just telling them wouldn't cut it, especially for someone as committed as Yuna.
>>737062239>is a major character in the story>gets the potato detail random npc-quality model and painted on lip flaps
>>737054440Out of curiosity, aren't there other ways of defeating Sin?Titus and Jecht are proof that dream people from Zanarkand can not only leave, but be used to fight Sin. If both Sin and the dream people like Titus and Jecht are fueled by the Summoners atop mount Gagazet, then having the dream people leave would be draining energy and strength away from Sin.If you had enough of the dream people become Aeons like Jecht, or just fight Sin conventionally, Sin would eventually be starved from within, right?
>>737063353This
>>737062090>Still never understood why it was such a big secret that the dead could still survive if attached by purpose?it wasn't, it was just very uncommon for them to retain their own form with consciousness intact and the topic itself is very taboo.fiends are the result of people remaining unsent after death so the concept is at the very least understood at a base level.
>>737062654>Because only the truly driven become sentient, non-fiend unsent. And if you're tying yourself to a singular purpose you will eventually succeed or fail at it to the point your hold on Spira dissipates and you go to the Farplane anyway.Literally zero evidence of this anywhere in the games. We see zero dead turn to fiends, yet there are many dead characters. The closest to evidence we get is the unsent gaurd enemies in Zanarkand ruins, but they don't do anything the living ones didn't also do. Seymour was right.Also, Rikku is wrong about the farplane not being legit because Tidus can beckon his mother but not his father because only the former is dead. The game never acknowledges this.
>>737063607Tidus was a dream person, Jecht was real.
>>737063773False.
>>737054440>all you have to do is just TELL people they've been living a lie this whole timeNo. It doesn't work like that.
>>737063763>didn't go to Hidden Fayth>didn't go to Omega RuinsBoth times people explicitly say the angry dead turned into the fiend at the end
>>737063773They're both from dream Zanarkand.That said, I personally had the head canon that at one point, back in the original Zanarkand, there really was an actual person called Jecht who played Blitzball and had real son called Tidus. They're just... long dead by now, and all that remains is a dream copy of them created by the Gagazet summoners
>>737061890This. Making sure all of them see the truth with their own eyes would not only be most convincing (the only way to convince someone like wakka), but also make the bond between everyone as a group with a common purpose that much stronger, especially after fighting someone like Yunalesca. Dropping the truth any earlier would have been foolish and potentially shattered the group.
>>737063607The only real way to defeat Sin is to kill Yu Yevon inside Sin, alongside all the aeons. Sin is just a skin it wears and it'll move on to possess another aeon if it's killed.
>>737064097Game actually works better if they were real, the dream thing is such a boring twist.
You can't just redpill everyone on everything, you gotta start small and ease them into it.If you do it right then they will notice whatever you are getting at for themselves before you even need to say it.
>>737063607Sin is just a shell, a host of pyreflies helmed by the Final Aeon. Yu Yevon is the Summoner summoning Dream Zanarkand. It's never stated but presumably the reason the Final Aeon gets some control over Sin is because Yu Yevon is borderline mindless and needs to focus on his eternal summoning over bending the Fayth of the Final Aeon to perform their genocidal duty as Sin.So no, the Dream people from Zanarkand wouldn't do anything to stop Sin. Otherwise burning down part of the city in a direct attack would have injured it when Jecht was picking up Auron and Tidus.
>>737064097Tidus is the dream version of Shuyin
>>737064389Payne is the daughter of Auron
>>737064471I like this schizo theory I am just hearing now
>>737054440Should I play the PS2 version or the HD version?
>>737054440They needed to make the journey to truly see how bad things were
>>737064769hd version is uglier and the og ost sounds better, but don't feel bad if the remaster is the only one you can get your hands on
>>737064769PS2 International (JP) version if you know how to emulate.HD if you're a consolefag.
>>737065407what if he still has a working PS2 in his closet and a CRT to avoid dealing with fuckery?
>>737065474If he has a working PS2 then he can just use that. The North American PS2 version has a little bit of missing content compared to International JP and HD but nothing major if you're a first time player.
>>737065474won't the international version fail to play?
>>737061668Everything he said was correct though.
>>737063763>Literally zero evidence of this anywhere in the games.Shut up retard
(You), the player wasn't ready for the truth.
>>737063449So does Jecht.
FFX was shit and the ending is stupid, especially after FFX-2What was the point of that scene of Tidus after the credits with the way the FFX-2 ended??
>>737054440lol
>>737054440ffx is the final fantasy game where they decided to make it extremely east asian instead of east asians basing something on western fantasy/sci-fi and just subconciously making it asianthe whole game is based boomers like auron and jecht guiding the new generation to changing things because even if they just told everyone what to do and what the problem is without the experience and suffering of learning it themselves they wouldn't be equipped to actually do anything about it (come up with a plan that actually stops sin), this is in contrast to the leaders of yevon, who definitely aren't representing any repressed feelings about japanese politics by being a bunch of literally unaging grandpas that intend to rule society until the end of time and refuse to move on and let any of the new generation do anything and indeed want them to do as little as possible outside of prop up their bloated existence.this is why our heroes are tidus (giga asian in the cgi, dyes his hair blonde with obvious roots to broadcast he's a delinquent and doesnt' care about conforming) and yuna the literal shinto shrine maiden who is more devoted to the tenents of her religion then it's actual core members who just use it for political clout like has happened many times with shinto/buddhist sects in japanese history.
He forgot like all old people
>>737067269>he's a delinquent and doesnt' care about conformingHe's conformist as fuck for Zanarkand
>>737054440>Why didn't Auron just throw down the deck of cards on everybody?Auron isn't trying to manipulate anyone or force them think the way he does. He simply lays out the truth and expects the party to accept it on their own.
>>737054440He wanted to strike at the head instead of the feet? It's pretty obvious his goal isn't just to guide the kids but to put an end to the suffering and lies entirely.
>>737067868>Auron isn't trying to manipulate anyone or force them think the way he does.Yes he is. He is explicitly trying to manipulate them to think the way he does. He's subtly letting Tidus wear down the group's faith so when the time comes, they'll do what he failed to do and tell Yunalesca to eat shit before Yuna or anyone else dies.
>>737064769HD version is objectively better.
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>>737054440holy fuck that game is so ugly. what the fuck is wrong with tidus' face? looks like a botox'd kpop guy with a smoothening filter on
>>737061668You didn't play the game, the whole point leading up to Titdus narration to the present is him confessing he isn't some goofy amnesiac.
>>737057061>suppose she just genuinly believe that Sin would eventually stopIt's a commentary on religious people being enslaved by fear and shame. Look at the average christian; every week they acknowledge that they are evil from birth and someone needed to be sacrificed to redeem them, but that still isn't enough and they need to adhere to bible rules, constantly repent, they deserve whatever happens to them etc. And the reward for being poor and miserable is that maybe they get a nice afterlife, and the real freaks are fervently waiting for rapture. It's a death cult just like Yevon.>>737057505Wow his character went right over your head and out the window.
>>737054440>HD """"remaster""" screenshot I hate that this is the default version FFX for the rest of time. I will never stop being mad. All screenshots, video essays, retrospectives etc. for the past decade have featured this ugly ass version, even funnier that Youtubers parrot "FFX is so beautiful" when you can clearly tell from footage being shown it looks weird. Absolutely no critical, independent thought.People shit on botched film remasters all the time and rightly so, but video game fans don't seem to think of the medium as an art and are fine with mediocrity as long as the current version is easily available and they're able to participate in current discourse with the least amount of effort
>>737054440>>737068484
>>737063259Sin can drop people at any place or time in history, and Auron seemed to be working with with Jecht to some extent, since he talks to him in the game opening; I'd assume they just wanted the team to bond for a while. It allows Tidus to start disrupting things while also giving him a rae experience of Spyra.
>>737068620>Sin can drop people at any place or time in historyYou do know there's no time travel in FFX's story. Right? You know that? Tidus is from the exact same time as everyone else. He just thinks he's from a thousand years ago. But he's not actually from the past.
>>737064471She's definitely not, and neither is the obnoxious ho from the audio drama they released.He was a dedicated warrior monk, he probably didn't have a family, especially knowing he intended to die with Braska.
Could Dream Tidus have impregnated Yuna?
>>737068484>>737068536That's because it's not a remaster, they lost the assets and had to remake them from scratch as best as they could on a limited budget
>>737068806>especially knowing he intended to die with BraskaHe goes with Braska specifically because he turned down marriage to an important priest's daughter and the backlash ended his rising star career
>>737068536just fuck my shit up senpai
>>737068620>Sin can drop people at any place or time in history,Are you retarded? There's no time travel in FFX.
>>737064265Hmmm, if it was all just Yu Yevon and his pyreflies, then what were all the dead people on Mount Gagazet doing?I thought they were powering / fueling Sin and the dream Zanarkand, whilst Yu Yevon was merely piloting / steering Sin.
>>737054440He was in their position before and knows he wouldn't have believed anyone either, and it doesn't matter because the truth gets revealed at the end of the pilgrimage anyway and they have to get there to have a shot of doing anything about it.>>737068346To be fair, as much as most of the religion is a lie, the pilgrimage sacrifice does actually work and brings peace for a while. They might falsely hope that one day it will stop for good because they can't possibly know the whole picture, but in the meantime every summoner is making a perfectly rational decision that their sacrifice is worth the 10 years of peace for everyone else. Even if they knew exactly how it worked, they would all likely still make the same decision because they don't have the magic plot armor needed to even reach Yu Yevon to kill him. Braska and Jecht were told how it worked and still went through with it after all. The party only manages to succeed because they coincidentally noticed that Sin was calmed by a song Jecht liked.
>>737070745>the pilgrimage sacrifice does actually work and brings peace for a while>10 years of peaceSin had to have come back almost immediately for Auron to ride it to Zanarkand to insert himself into Tidus' childhood. Lulu went on Pilgrimage twice in the previous 10 years. Plus Ultimania confirms the four statues in the temples are the only High Summoners there have been, plus Yunalesca, so five Calms ever in 1000 years. How long Sin has actually been in a state to cause no damage whatsoever is never specified but it's pretty grim by inference.>Yu YevonYunalesca only mentions his existence after the party kills her. Mika is the only other person who knows who or what it is.
>>737070702The fayth on Gagazet were summoning Zanarkand.
>>737070745>but in the meantime every summoner is making a perfectly rational decision that their sacrifice is worth the 10 years of peace for everyone elseThere were actually only four previous high summoners, and the ones before Braska lasted for hundreds of years. The regeneration time was getting faster.>Sin had to have come back almost immediately for Auron to ride it to Zanarkand to insert himself into Tidus' childhood.Sin technically returns instantly, but Yevon has to spend time gathering pyreflies to rebuild the armor.
>>737070745This is the way to look at things.Tidus only had a chance because of a series of incredibly unlikely events lined up just so, a one-in-a-million shot that could not have been recreated ever again if anything had gone wrong at any point. Yuna dies early? World is doomed, thanks for playing. Tidus doesn't wash up on the shore just as Wakka is at practise? World is doomed, thanks for playing. Tidus doesn't get pushed into the trial by bitchface and whatchamacallit? World is doomed, thanks for playing. You can say that Auron was guiding things behind the scenes, but it's not like he was choosing where in Spira to drop Tidus, or where he washed up on shore the multiple times he ended up a castaway.Maester Mika and Seymour weren't really wrong, their conclusions were basically correct without accounting for knowledge that they literally had no way of acquiring, or acting upon even if they could acquire it.
>>737071726>Lulu went on Pilgrimage twice in the previous 10 years.The pilgrimage has to actually complete successfully, anon. Both of Lulu's prior pilgrimages failed.
>>737072161Which probably means that the more people have died overall, the faster Sin regenerates, doesn't it?So it was only gonna get worse.
>>737071726>>737072161Sin also probably doesn't actually do that much most of the time. It's only real goal is to prevent anyone from fucking with Dream Zanarkand, and occasionally attacking concentrations of people or tech that seem threatening, but it's not even very good at that or Luca would've been fucked forever ago. The crusaders can generally get it to fuck off, and we never see any real blowouts until operation mihen where they intentionally lure it to try to kill it.
>>737072187Yes but there's no point doing a Pilgrimage if Sin is dead. The fact she went twice in 10 years means the Calm didn't last 10 years. She was 12 when Braska's Calm started. Rikku's allowed to be a Guardian at 15 and her age is never questioned. Yuna became an apprentice summoner at 15. So maybe a minimum of three years of Calm before Lulu hit the right age to march off to Zanarkand?
>>737068484>>737068536I agree, HD sucks ass
>>737072563Luca isn't fucked because Yu Yevon was a fan of Blitzball back when he was normal and sane and not an eternal parasite back in the original Zanarkand. I'm serious, the lore for why Sin doesn't attack Blitzball stadiums is because Yu Yevon has a softspot for them that he's retained even in the depths of his insanity.
>>737072187>>737072673To be fair, Seymour has also completed his pilgrimage (Anima is his Final Aeon,) which means it's technically possible to pre-complete it with the expectation that you're going to go and fucking kill Sin as soon as he shows back up. But that also means that the temple knew Sin was going to be back within a lifespan without the centuries of Calm achieved by the first High Summoners, so they had complete knowledge shit was getting worse.
>>737072712With Sin around though, Blitzball became almost a religious rite in itself. The people of Spira needed Blitzball to relief the severe anxiety that a constantly lurking city-killer could annihilate everything they've known and everything they've worked for.People would seek to stop Sin forever in other ways if not for Blitzball, since then they would have no outlet. They are given just enough relief and hope to keep to the standard cycle of Sin.
>>737072981Seymour's mother was dying so she was pushing him to finish up and kill himself killing Sin so she could make up for the Guado not liking his halfbreed ass. I'm pretty sure the implication is that Sin was around to kill at the time, otherwise she wouldn't have chosen something quite so drastic
>>737073359Maybe. Either way the story of Anima is meant to show you how the twisted way Spira views sacrifice leads to abuse and sociopaths like Seymour (instead of providing him love and support his mother thought he should kill himself to win the respect of people who hated them in his death. It turned Seymour into someone who practically worships death as a release from suffering and has no love or value for the world around him.)
It wouldn't help him to just say it so bluntly to people clinging to a hope and tradition If he said that near the beginning of their pilgrimage he would get arrested or shunned or just politely kicked out of the party
