Well bros, he did it.
>>737059317He finally made THE MOVIE?
>>737059317Ross looks very different when he's cleaned up
>He opens the door for EU to content-regulate games againIn 5 years Zoomers will talk about when did games become so controlled by politics
>>737059481Yes, he seems to have rounded is trapezoidal head a bit
>>737059317Where is the Mold?
I'm American so the whole concept of this type of crowd-driven consumer-rights thing actually making it as far as it has is literally foreign to me, and I'll admit I'm impressed by how it's been handled this far.
>>737059516>In 5 years Zoomers will talk about when did games become so controlled by politics2015
>>737059731as an American I don't understand why people buy these dog shit games in the first place. I think if you're stupid enough to waste your time and money on them you deserve to have them taken from you.
>>737059531that might change the angle bipbops bounce off it
>>737059531It's low poly!
>>737059516They can do that anyway
>>737059807You're on /v/, fag, you already are the target demo for who this initiative to help>t. also 'murican
I think all gaas games should be illegal
what is he thinking right now?
>>737059928>Man I love fucking this ferret right now
>>737059928Nothing of note
>>737059914I understand the initiative. the fact that games can be so predatory in the first place should be criminal.
>>737059928>Man I wish I didn't lose all my subscribers and my relevance, I might have to get a job soon.
>>737059928>i should have just apologized for ruining peoples hardcore characters and kept my mouth shut about politics
>>737059317He couldn't wear a proper suit?
>>737059928he's beating off thinking about his time being a dick washer at blizzard
>>737059928not much, look at those glassy brown eyes
why doesn't he get a fucking haircut. would look 10x more presentable. he's balding anyway
>>737060092that was my first thought too. he looks so out of place
>>737059516It's been like that since the 90s dipshit. It didn't start because "waah wahh I can't fap to every video game".
no matter what he's not getting back his TheCrew dlc's.
>>737060212do you think he'll learn any lessons about purchasing gaas games?
It's surreal to see him in the parliament
>>737059928This guy probably doesn't think at all, doesn't have inner monologue, purely reactive entity.
>>737059807I don't necessarily disagree, but I think the idea that companies should at least publish their server code if they're gonna take shit offline is good. I had a lot of fun running Halo servers like that back in the day.
>>737060092It's an interesting question. Would he be taken more seriously arguing for the preservation of video games and against corporate overreach in a generic suit and tie with a basic short and clean hair cut, or does his vaguely ratty autist who gets really deep into niche topics lend him more credibility?
>>737060315I actually agree with you. Everquest has no problem with private servers
Why is an American allowed to speak on European issues?
>>737059317Am I supposed to know who this is?
>>737060423because we're better than you
>>737059928>Heheh, congrats, youll get what you deserve, see this is what happens when your so wrong you cant possibly believe anything besides being right and having everyone else suffer for it>"Just apologize" mods kick this guy>The only thing I will apologize is not putting more effort into warning you guys>This is how the nightmare begins and its gonna take a hell of a lot more to fix it
>>737060459yes. it's implied that you should if you're going to post your mouth breathing questions here
>>737059807>scams should be legal because fuck stupid peopleIt's not about protecting retards. It's about making sure the people who want to coast through their lives making money off retards can't do so.
>>737060423It's a global issue. Wouldn't be the first time regional regulation has led to global adjustments. Digital refunds being a big example. If the proposed change comes to pass, GAAS will change globally.
>>737060423America EstablishesEurope RegulatesChina Copies
>>737060567gacha games will reign supreme regardless of what happens
>>737060339I think it's the latter. When I worked in a corporate office for a really big-name company, the CEO came through one time and everyone was told to wear suits. Except us engineers, who were told we could dress like normal (business casual with sneakers and junk) since we wouldn't be seen probably tucked away in our lab. Well, the CEO comes through with the entourage of hangers-on, and they all just nod and chuckle at our appearances and say something like, "Ah, yes. They certainly look like a smart bunch!"You get a lot of nerd cred if you look like a dweeb. Look too good, and people assume you're a business guy.
>>737059928This sigma male killed his own game to prove his point and that hes not a hypocrite. Mad respect.
>>737060656what's funny is that they're entire business can collapse without their IT or engineering teams
>>737059928>"Mmmm, Corpo Cock"
>>737059317How many men did it take to wrangle him into a collared shirt?
i-is that quentin next to him?
>>737060520So he's a nobody, gotcha.
>>737059317He saved MILLIONS
GaBen Franklin looking ass lmao
>>737060838at least he looks better than whatever the fuck that is behind him
>>737060287The "EU parliament" is about as much of a "parliament" as movies are games.The people sitting in it are mostly unaccountable towards the voters, and most of the party soldiers act like that - against the voters, but for the absolute democratic government in form of the EU-commission, that rules what is just and what is unjust in its realm with impudence.Voters can't really remove the heads from there, even if they strongly vote against the parties backing it, because Brussels and Strasbourg is an "our democracy"-aristocracy with its own rules.
>>737059928 ferret porn
>>737059928>they don't know I worked for 20 years in the can not a fuckin peep
>IF THE EU PARLIAMENT SAW HIM THEY WOULD LAUGH HIM OUT WITHIN SECONDSReality>They all instantly agreed with what was his basic logic stance and said they will do something about it
>>737059928about how hard he's going to laugh when eurocucks will over regulate videogames
What does this make devs do? Make it so the game can be played after they stop updating it? Like normal games?
>>737059807Catering to stupid people will always be more profitable than catering to clever consumers.You must make it illegal to target stupidity, otherwise the market will be 100% stupidity-catering, no matter the amount of clever consumers.
>>737061083Yes
>>737060958Yeah, there is not a single person in europe who voted for the EU to exist. What's your point? This is common knowledge
>>737061106that's probably why the United States is rife with fraud
>>737061046What "regulation" are you talking about exactly? Please, elaborate and be specific. Because the only regulation in this discussion is to rein in corporations and protect consumer rights by making sure they actually own the products they buy, or at least know exactly what it is they're paying for.
>>737061106seed oil bros are we caught
>>737061020EU is bunch of schemers elected by globalist jews to turn europe into brown shithole.
>>737059317so, what did he achieve, genuine question. I didn't follow this save vidya thing at all
>>737059928>my FATHER
>>737061152The point is that anyone actual native european is super fucked
Ross got to speak before the EU commission because some other guy fucked a ferret and mismanaged his mana.Butterly effects, man. Don't mess with them.
>>737061225>I didn't follow this save vidya thing at allDo you keep touching the stove hoping it might not be hot the next time?
>>737059317>this one man, all by himself, made every single corporate shill on this board shit their pants How based can you get. fucking awesome
>>737061297But it makes the rich more money, so leftists will defend it
>>737060423You now realize you've never wondered why muslims run your country
>>737059928Hes worried that his HRT hasn't set in yet.
>>737061331He had two jobs. Don't fuck the ferret, and don't fuck over your team. Dude is just a fucker.
>>737061331>Butterly effectsI'm still convinced that Zoe Queen being a cheating whore led to Trump's election and reelection.
>>737061361>this one man, all by himselfHe got the ball rolling and serves as the movement's face/spokesperson, but based Ross has always been pretty transparent that the heavy lifting was eventually done by others with more actual qualifications in relevant fields.
>>737061361>>737061442Why do you all talk like shills
>>737061157The USA system is fucking retarded no matter where you see it, nowadays even what we call third world shitholes have less predatory and cancer inducing system
>>737061491>NO YOU'RE SHILLS!!!Right on cue
>>737059317I like this not because I'm retarded and fall for service scams, but because it'll make game companies reconsider "games as a service".
My favorite part is when the EU says "We'll take it from here" and then makes a few adjustments
>>737061491Shill for what, exactly? I mean, you used the word, so clearly you must suspect that something is being sold to you. What is it?
>>737061514well yeah because their officials arent out there trying to fuck their own people out of their freedoms like here in the states
>>737061559They'll likely add some excuse to include digital ID to it all.
>>737061559>>737061616yeah they're probably going to fuck it up even worse
>>737059807People shouldnt be exploited even if they are dumb. This is key to having a good society.
>we will do something about it>now what? wait 5+ years for something to happen?
>>737061608>because their officials arent out there trying to fuck their own people out of their freedoms like here in the statesThey usually are doing that shit too, BUT EVEN THEN
>>737061537>>737061562>no uAnswer the question, discord shills
>>737061491>Defending the corporations? Good.>Defending the individual? Paid shill.
>>737060074no he is set for life
>>737061690You made a statement, back it up first, then I'll address it. I'm not going to bother engaging with nonsense spouted in bad faith. Prove you're worth giving a real response to first.
>>737061152The EU is trash. In its current shape it was a massive mistake.It's often brought up, that mobility between European states had been facilitated by it.That's simply not true for first world-Europe. Borders were controlled, but open for any legitimated individual.And all this shit has effectively brought upon us is gyp^h Sinti and Romani flooding social welfare systems in Western Europe.Also, the customs regime has become criminal thanks to the EU. It's next-to-impossible to import from outside Europe as an end customer without paying fees out of your ass on top of the customs.I was importing on my own from around the world for a long time. Ever since the more recent EU actions, that has been limited to the rare seller that crawls into the EU commission's ass dealing with bureaucracy. (China loves to do that, by the way.)Some kind of super-national instance that coordinates Europe's actions in this world is probably a good idea, but leave the rest to the member states for fuck's sake. This EU has failed.
>>737061652Yes. Governments run S L O W, they have to consult the industry. And even if they pass, they'll still have to say "games released starting from January 1st 2032 need to have an End of Life plan" with like a year or more of buffer.
>>737061717But you are defending woke corporations and the EU, not the individualYou're projecting again bootlicker
This is getting tiresome. Someone post the "you are here" copechart.
>>737059928>Is my voice modifier still working? Maybe I should have a 4th puberty.
>>737059928"damn... I should've made my voice even deeper"
>>737061797>if you win an argument it's bad faithThis gaslighting doesn't work on here, discord troon
>>737060954Looks like a Don Cherry suit
>>737061646I'll exploit your asshole and create a society in your mouth
>>737061932Retard it is, then.
>>737059928>I worked at Blizzard
>>737061652>for something to happenit will be thrown away in the garbage bin, nothing he says makes legal sense.
>>737059317hekkin' based euriperino with the values of the talmuderino, so wholesome!
I wanna see the actual text of the proposed law, not the talking points of the movement. This sounds cautiously like something worth supporting, but I keep hearing conflicting things from various places about what it will actually do:>SKG will require companies to run servers indefinitely!>no it won't, it doesn't impose any extra cost on companies!>SKG mandates that games be designed to allow easy reverse-engineering or already be reverse engineeredSo which is it? Because I can see a strong argument for prohibiting companies from legally forcing the shutdown of private servers of a game they are not currently attempting to sell themselves. But I can only see a very weak argument for companies being required to hold you hand and actively assist you in setting up those servers by designing their games around being easy to reverse engineer. In particular, any regulation that imposes an extra cost on the industry will favor established greedy AAA companies over smaller developers, so I can't help but feel like it's not worth pushing for this simply because 'it's better than nothing' if it imposes extra costs rather than merely preventing the enforcement of copyright against noncompeting consumers.
>>737061831>you are defending woke corporationswhich corporations? let's see some names
>>737061974>no argumentLow IQ bootlicker lost again
>>737061219you lost
>>737062024You brought them up, bootlicker here >>737061717So which corporations are you trannies talking about?
>>737061970Well slap my nickleback and call me master chief because ill be MCLOVIN IT!!!!
>>737059928>I used to work at Blizzard
>>737059516>making it illegal to design games in such a way as people who pay for them can't play them at some arbitrary date (read: when your next game comes out and you don't want to compete with yourself) is content-regulationits clearly corporate astroturf that there's even a "debate" here.
>>737061423she genuinely did, she sparked the entire conservative movement
>>737062023All it wants is for games to remain playable in some reasonable fashion after the company, on whose servers the game relied on up to that point, ceases supporting said game. This can be as easy as releasing the tools for consumers to host their own servers. Even if those tools require hardware performing above consumer grade, that part's not important. But the ability to keep playing the game needs to be provided.
>>737059928
>>737062116>So which corporations are you trannies talking about?Corporations that kill videogames, like Ubisoft.>NO YOU TRANNIES!!!! NO YOU BOOTLICKERS!!!Cry some more for my amusement, shill.
>>737062023This is an initiative, it's vague by design. The EU doesn't want citizens writing actual laws, they want them to describe a problem, the EU will consult lawyers and the industry, and only then will they decide to write a law.MPs kept throwing various ideas around, including making the licenses on Steam sellable, giving gamers the "right to resurrect" and a bunch of other bullshit that likely won't make it into the final law.
>>737059516you lost mutt
>>737062275So you admit leftist corporations are a bad thing now, tranny?Who in this thread defended Ubisoft? Try answering without the meltdown this time
>>737062282"RIGHT TO RESURRECTION" goes hard, though
>>737062353I do think it's a necessary component of the law. Companies can skirt the law by doing shit like "We're shutting down the multiplayer servers, but hey, the campaign is still playable :)". The right to resurrection would then protect gaymers from legal trouble like with what happened to Concord's private servers.
>>737062298>muttBased /pol/ term
>>737062023If a small indie dev makes an online game, then he and all future generations of his family are required to keep the servers running until the end of time.
>>737062343>NO YOU TRANNY!!!Kekx2>Defending the individual? Paid shill.Why does this agitate you so much, shill? Where did the big bad SKG touch you?
>>737062213>This can be as easy as releasing the tools for consumers to host their own serversThis imposes a cost on businesses that is not imposed merely by taking the business's right to sue you for running a private server away from them, and therefore favors larger, more greedy companies in the industry. Why do you Europeans always try to solve things with gibs rather than deregulation? Removing copyright protection from intellectual property while the rights holder is not actually attempting to compete would be sufficient to solve this issue - provably, as people have been setting up and running private servers without help from businesses for decades at this point.>>737062282>>737062353This makes more sense. Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on EU lawmakers in the future.
>>737059317we need to elect this ridley
>>737062213>in some reasonable fashionno, he wants it eternally, the way it's presented "reasonable" = forever.
>>737061830there'll be a ton of push back from copyright autists too especially since there's really not all that much separating games from music or tv shows or movies or other software
>>737061646People shouldn't be dumb
>>737062519Deregulation doesn't help because corporations actively don't want you to continue playing their old games as opposed to buying their new game. Whoop-de-doo, they're not allowed to sue you for running private servers. Then they'll just make it as hard as humanly possible to reverse engineer their server structure to run them in the first place, which is what they're already doing. Deregulation doesn't mean dick if the means to accomplish the stated goal aren't protected in some fashion. The right to do something in the abstract isn't worth the paper it's printed on if doing said thing is functionally impossible.
>now all games will have eternally-working servers*>*ID verification will be required to play themNow every gamer will suffer just because some mouthbreathers like Moss, threw a tantrum because they want to play their GAASlop indefinetely.If that inbred Ferret-Fucker stopped talking shit, nobody would have heard about the retarded petition and this SKG shit would have died.
>>737062519>Removing copyright protection from intellectual propertyIt's covered by a trade agreement/treaty with the US. They cannot do that without renegotiating the treaty or breaking it, which would result in sanctions out the ass.
>>737062802>now all games will [insane fanfiction]Cool story.
>>737062681Why state so confidently something so obviously false and corrected to death?
>>737059516
>>737062802>indefinetelyis this really the best babel media can do?
>>737062562>>737059317can a drawfag combine the two?
>>737059516Where the fuck have you been for the past decade
>>737060074Doubt it, all he had to do was admit he was wrong if he wanted to keep his views.
>>737059807The subject matter is my issue with this whole thing. People who support this are acting like he's defending your rights to housing, food, and health care. It's fucking video games, and real garbage ones too. This is the equivalent of demanding the government to stop putting labubus in mystery boxes. How about you stop buying labubus? FFS. The government does not need to be involved in your shitty spending habits.
>>737059516lol
It's over?
>>737059928Mana gem
SKG talk stream vod https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2749474642And Stop Killing Games had public hearing in the European Parliamenthttps://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/webstreaming/committee-on-internal-market-and-consumer-protection-ordinary-meeting-committee-on-legal-affairs-com_20260416-1100-COMMITTEE-IMCO-JURI-PETI
>>737062853And to prove I'm not full of shit:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIPS_Agreement>TRIPS was negotiated during the Uruguay Round of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) in 1986–1994. Its inclusion was the culmination of a program of intense lobbying by the United States by the International Intellectual Property Alliance, supported by the European Union, Japan and other developed nations.[6] Campaigns of unilateral economic encouragement under the Generalized System of Preferences and coercion under Section 301 of the Trade Act played an important role in defeating competing policy positions that were favored by developing countries like Brazil, but also including Thailand, India and Caribbean Basin states. In turn, the US strategy of linking trade policy to intellectual property standards can be traced back to the entrepreneurship of senior management at Pfizer in the early 1980s, who mobilized corporations in the United States and made maximizing intellectual property privileges the number one priority of trade policy in the United States (Braithwaite and Drahos, 2000, Chapter 7).[7]>Unlike other agreements on intellectual property, TRIPS has a powerful enforcement mechanism. States can be disciplined through the WTO's dispute settlement mechanism.
>>737063078So you're fine with products you purchase being taken away from you by the manufacturer at will, as long as they're not essential?
>>737059516>In 5 years Zoomers will talk about when did games become so controlled by politicswould you believe it already happened in 1994 because of portrayed violence against women
>>737062353I know we often say anti-semitic as a "joke" but this is on another level
>>737063078You're replying to a shill, nobody serious thinks that there is a moral right to scam stupid people.
>>737059928Not much of worth, probably. As comprehensive higher thought requires a functioning brain that can achieve more than chimping out like a nepo-baby.
>>737059928Who fucking cares lol.
>>737059928A corpo shill who only exist by riding his dad's coatails who simultaneously hates his dad and his dad is disappointed in him. Such a fascinating case
>>737059516>yea we should let the Americans do it, I love having based right wing christian conservatives that think videogames cause mass shootings to speak on the availability of videogames. We should get Trump to speak on it, he surely has good opinions of videogames, hes so based and the EU is so cuckedYou can tell someone is underage when you know they dont know weve already done this and it was fucking retarded.
>>737062802>now all games will have eternally-working serversdo these mouthbreathing retards actually believe this is about forcing companies to support and keep server alive forever?
>>737061793People like him are usually terrible with money, they can win $100mil in a lottery and couple years later be left with $70 in their pocket and a $1k debt
>>737059317Why did they bring him? They're gonna reject it just because of how disgusting he looks.
>>737059928>There was nothing I could do, do you see my mana?*casts mana shield*
>>737059516The jew shudders in fear
>>737059516You stupid fucking animal, how boldly ignorant and public... Like a cow.
>>737061225For now, nothing. The EU has like 2646 layers of waiting for shit to happen.
>>737063328No, lying and spreading misinformation like this is all they can do at this point.
>>737061106This right here
>>737063078If companies can use lobbying and legalese to outlaw any attempt by the public to compensate for their shitty behaviour, the public has a right to escalate.
>>737063234Only a retard would keep falling for subscription / online-only based products in 2026
>>737061540>add a barebones offline mode where you play against retarded bots and don't have access to any "DLC"Wow, that sure hurts the bottom line.
>>737063470not the pointnot the questiontry again shill
>>737063527You asked a loaded question. Why are you gay?
>>737060163Yeah this was the perfect opportunity to restore his Gordon Freeman look.
>>737059807>is American>is also fucking retardedPure pottery
>>737063546why are you mad, shill? you'll get paid your pennies regardless of the outcome
>>737061423steve bannon sold WOW jew gold from sweatshops and learned from 5GUYS/chanology and Tortanic to hijack democracies through its most vulnerable gamers
>>737063546Is it a loaded question when that is quite literally what's happening with any and all games that rely on company servers to function? This extends beyond GaaS, by the way. Any MP game without peer-to-peer or community servers is in the same boat. So why don't you answer the question?
>>737063470>why have laws 'n shiet, only retards would ever get robbed
>>737060423Ross is, as far as I understood, there on special invite. Under normal circumstances only the ECI's actual petitioners, who must have European nationality and be of legal voting age, are allowed to address the Parliament. In other words: they made an exception to the rules to accommodate him, which is the Parliament's prerogative iirc. Probably because he's a central figure in the whole movement so they want to ensure he gets a voice.Which should illustrate that, if not the Commission, at least the Parliament takes this matter VERY seriously.
>>737063628>stop buying these bad scammy services>this makes me a shill somehow???
>>737061225He presented his case and received support by other members of the parliament, in about three (?) more months or so we will know if they will do something about the issue or not.
>>737063470>A small bunch of retarded whales can keep a live service alive>companies produce only products for the retards, and squeeze them dry>you have 0 (zero) new good games to play because it's all skinner boxesCongratulations, vidya is deadThink how many amazing games were lost because greedy publishers turned them into always online slop
>>737061225Progress. The people speaking were all supportive. Even boomers who don't play videogames argued for the sake of their kids.
>>737063546>You asked a loaded questionAnd it's because you kept ignoring that "loaded question" that the initiative got this far. Should've taken it more seriously, eh?
>>737063689there's plenty of AA and indie games to go around that aren't live service games, it will never die
>>737063678>stop buying these bad scammy services>so are you okay with these bad scammy services continuing to exist?>REEEEE THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION I WONT ANSWER THAT YOU'RE GAY!!!!
you know what's fucked up? publicly traded companies are required by law to generate the maximum profit possible. that means they have to release unfinished games because retards will buy them. they have to cram woke shit into the games, because that's what "modern audiences" want (see peer-reviewed study). they have to fuck you over, as long as it doesn't break any law. if they don't do it, they risk getting sued. so if you want to make games great again, it has to be mandated by law (will never happen) or stop being dumb consoomer retards (will also never happen)good dayhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
>>737061219Very much unlike the corporations, which are run by men of integrity and honesty, yes?
>>737062024you mean the woke corporations like ubisoft selling racing games and openworld cookiecutter games with diverse casts of characters?make up your fucking mind already, posting low effort pilpul slop isn't gonna work here
>>737062018Generally speaking>Asiansgood>Israelis Bad except some females>Blacks pretty much irrelevant, that's a US thing. Euros don't want middle eastern parasites anymore, that's pretty much it
>>737060092Well he wasn't going into the White House.
>>737061219i trust that the representatives i elected have a bit more of my interest in mind than the american techn-ofeudalists that want to squeeze the goy cattle out of every penny
>publisher tears keep flowingBend the knee, merchant!
>>737059928Hopefully suicidal thoughts.Im sick of hearing ahout this faggot
>>737060092Stop killing casual wear
>>737063691I also think many started to realize this is the chance to draft something that could be extended to any other software.The example of the car refusing to start due to the car manufacturer shutting down the server of its on board software was pretty representative of what will happen if they don't do anything now, and I'm pretty sure most members of the parliament understood that on some level.
>>737061829hello ivan
>>737060092Shoulda gone in this.
>>737059317This seems like a bill that, at first glance, appears to be player-friendly, but by making it impossible to create games that can't overcome the huge hurdle of "offline-izing online-only games," it ends up harming both game creators and players.
>>737063787>so are you okay with these bad scammy services continuing to exist?No, but in the sense that natural selection should wipe them out instead of GOVERNMENT PLS HELP ME I CAN'T STOP BUYING SHITTY XBOX LIVE GAMES YOU NEED TO START MONITORING ALL CONSUMER PRODUCTS FOR ME HERE I WILL SIGN MY FREE WILL AWAY
>>737063689This. A huge ton of "PS2 shovelware devs" basically died out in favor of "mobile shovelware devs", but guess what? I liked some of that PS2 shovelware and I want games like them back. If SKG means there'll be less mobile shovelware devs because of design costs/lack of user exploitation opportunity after EoS then so be it.
>>737063078Yeah. While I do generally agree with this initiative and what it sets out to do, we should really stop babying people and let natural selection run its course. If people want to keep buying shitty games with no shelf life despite all of the warning flags, let them. It's not like they're gonna play them after they stop getting updates, anyway, since regular updates are what carries these games.Also that this entire thing was started over The Crew of all games. Like you couldn't choose anything good?
>>737059928>I’m going to need more breast milk to handle this one
>>737064085>Natural selectionlmao
>>737064024TF2 is an example of a very successful AAA online GAAS game that is already compliant with SKG.Explain what makes it so impossible for lther publishers to do the same for their games.
>>737064024Multiplayer games used to release server binaries for players to host their own servers. It was never a huge hurdle.
>>737059516Zoomers will be 31 in 5 years Phoomers will be wondering that at 20
>>737064024>making it impossible to create games that can't overcome the huge hurdle of "offline-izing online-only games,"It's seriously extremely bizarre the way you guys chant this talking point as if we don't have 50 years of precedence showing that it can be done easily. You get proven demonstrably wrong every single time and then come back and say it again, it's very weird.
>>737064085>downloading pictures from reddit to continue the same "DA FREE MURKET WILL DECIDE!" tirade after it's been clear time and time again that devs will make slop just over the 1% chance of being the new fortnite, even if it costs them 400 million fucking dollars
>>737064085>No, but in the sense that natural selection should wipe them outthis clearly isn't happening with how long GaaS has been going on, something else needs to intervene at this point that isn't "vote with your wallet"
>>737064085>market now colludes to make all their games like this to make maximum profit at the expense of all consumerssasuga
See that button right there on the main menu? AAA game developers claim that button will D E S T R O Y gaming industry.
>>737061083>What does this make devs do? Make it so the game can be played after they stop updating it? Like normal games?Basically yeah. The fine details haven't been worked out, but I imagine that if say, it's an mmo, they need to release either the ability to play on a public server or maybe some kind of sandbox single player mode.
>>737064085Still waiting for the invisible hand of capitalism to fix all of our problem three centuries later.
>>737064132"Natural selection" doesn't work in this case, because those who keep buying those shitty games aren't removed from the pool of potential buyers of the next game, and due to how profitable it is the only "natural selection" that take place is to the detriment of good games that become financially unviable (because they don't exploit their userbase) compared to these shitty games.
>>737064024I bet companies would just find workarounds, like you can play the game offline but it's the most stripped down piece of shit that barely represents what the online version was which is what Multiversus did that when it shutdown. You can still play it offline but they got rid of all forms of progression, if you didn't unlock any characters/skins when it was online you can't get them now. Also there's no way to do online multiplayer so you have to play locally or use some shit like steam remote play together
>>737062027Yeah, you.
>>737064085Nothing happens naturally in this industry anymore. I'm sorry, anon. That particular cope was abandoned in 2012.
I wish all ancaps a very merry carcinogenic exposure
>>737064085>>737064132are you two nigger shills fucking retarded?very simple premise - i paid to use a software license, get the fuck out of my wayno, it doesn't matter if there's no more contentno, it doesn't matter if it's not maintained anymoreno, it doesn't matter if it has reached "end of life" no, it doesn't matter if i'm alone on my own home serveri paid for my license to use this software. you, the company who sold it to me, has NO RIGHT removing it from me at your own discretion
>>737064249AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING, THIS GOES AGAINST THE NARRATIVE.CORPOBROS, CLOSE YOUR EYES!
>>737064085>natural selection should wipe them out
>>737064085Natural scamlection can't even wipe out subscriptions you can't unsubsribe from without going on an RPG questiline that ends with you calling Department of Commerce.
>>737062027Sorry, but squawking out your opponent's catchphrase first doesn't mean you win.
>>737064024Just build in a fucking LAN modeIt's not that hard
I think it'll just end with the addition of a bare-bones mode that's only nominally called "offline mode."
>>737064239>this clearly isn't happening with how long GaaS has been going on, something else needs to intervene at this point that isn't "vote with your wallet"We just had a bunch of live service games DOA because nobody wants them anymore. If it keeps up, then the message would be sent.
>>737064249I still don't understand why tim sweeney removed all UT games from every single store
>>737064249This image is photoshopped, doctored, manufactured by AI. I refuse to believe it exists in the real world.
Guys, check out this crazy feature I just found in a game developed by one guy!It's pretty obscure though, you've probably never heard of it
>>737059317WHY IS HE DRESSED LIKE THAT
>>737061083Yeah, for example imagine what would happen if tomorrow Valve stopped supporting TF2 even in the anemic state it does today, you would still be able to play it but cosmetic would probably be gone and you would need to rely on community servers or local multiplayer to play it (and cheater and moderation would be responsibility of each server owner).That's what every online game should be, basically.
Reminder that if a game comes bundled with the server software the company can sell it on, for example, Steam without any cost to their wallet and maintain and online playerbase way past their server's "death"An SKG-compliant game in this sense has more long-term potential for profit than a quick dime and dash live service slop game. If they wanna rake in lots of money ontop of that, then they can demand subscription for their server or some shit for maintenance.
>>737064551>long-term potentialBut will that make line go up for the next quarter?
>>737060092or at least a fitting shirt, there's no excuse to wearing this poorly in a formal meeting
>>737064085>>737064132I hope you realize that the "natural selection" you're advocating for is that the industry will gradually turn more and more shit until it eventually loses massive interest due to a new technology coming around and dies, or hard resets and dies off for a couple decades until thenIt sounds like you're an epic cool thoughtful libertarian or whatever with a stance like that but you're actually just retarded and signing off on your hobby
>>737064615Gonna cry about it?
>>737064387>here is a car rental, very clearly states you pay $500 to use it per month>mmm okay>we are retiring this product, you can no longer use it>NOOOO I SHOULD KEEP THE CAR THIS IS MY RIGHTThis is how all of you sound
>>737064085>the free market wil regulate itselfHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>>737064362That would still be better than what we have today, also during the hearing it was floated an idea for the "right to restore", that is protecting the right for fans to restore content devs cutted, if they are able to.
>insane government overreach is a good thing because uh uhm I can’t play this shitty car game from 15 years ago anymore
When it switches to offline mode, just turn it into a sandbox where you can only move the characters around, lol
>>737064662as a matter of fact I will, I am pretty sensitive *snif*
>>737064531i can run ut2k4 right nowin fact, i will
>>737064630>advocating for AAA to die, for gaming to stop being mainstream, and for indie to rebuild gaming from the ashesSounds absolutely ideal to me
>>737059516>opens the doorWhat closed it? What is stopping them from doing it right now? It at any other point in the last 40 years? You think it's some jurassic park shit where if you just don't bring video games to politicians' attention, they won't notice the biggest entertainment industry in the world?
>>737064301hey at least it made merchants really wealthy allowing them to enslave us instead of the kingswho doesn't love rootless cosmopolitans with infinite money and power?
>>737064532You can't seriously expect game developers to completely rewrite their games to be compatible with this. It would cost the developers tens or hundreds of thousands for the largest game companies
>>737061219You're not wrong, but this one time their interest align with mine
>>737064675Show us where The Crew had stated its exact expiration date.
>>737064675>buy a car for full price>drive it for 2 years>a software update bricks it because small print in the EULA says the company can do that
>>737064675You forgot the part where the service pretends to be sold as a product, you don't have timed payments and you never know when the service will be taken away from you.
>>737064675Buying games isn't a rental.If it was, it would be regulated by other rules (which companies are also breaking).It's this grey area that allowed companies to do what they wanted until now.
>>737064675>very clearly states you pay $500 to use it per monthLive service games don't do this. If they did they would comply with the initiative
>>737059317If this were legalized, the conclusion would be that you could no longer operate online games in that country.
>>737064675Even if we used WoW as an example with its subscription, WoW was sold on disc at first and you had to install it. Then make an account and pay for a subscription. The subscription only covers the WoW/Blizzard account for an old copy of the game. Thusly, if a WoW equivalent was made today I should be able to host my own server since you can't play vanilla (not classic wow, which is basically an imitation) anymore.
>>737064675>90% of leftist discourse is pretending not to understand so nothing gets doneIf I give any faggot on this earth money to use what they made, they then stop having any control over what I do with that thing. Weather it be software, a car, or a house.Fuck you nigger for thinking your jew-rat corpo pits can ever decide what I can and can't do with my property. "But it's not yours"Just cause a JEW says "actually you are just borrowing this" changes nothing.Go back to plebbit faggot. men are talking.Death to faggots.
>>737064675everyone else pointed out your fallacy, so i'm just gonna call you a dumb fucking niggeryou dumb fucking nigger
>>737059317>"Gamers"
>>737064509Because he's a kike faggot who never liked games. He literally spent years wanting PC gaming to die because he was investing into consoles. Meanwhile Gaben supports all his games decades later and they're built to be playable without relying on official servers.
>I FUCKING HATE CUSTOMER RIGHTS!!!why are americans like this?
>>737064675Kirby doesn't deserve to be used by such a retarded avatarfag.
>>737064768Damn that's a real shame, mabe you shouldn't have been hostile to your userbase then.
>>737064863He's a retard but you're an even bigger one. Fucking /pol/tards spouting memes they don't even understand.
>>737064836Good luck not operating online games in the entire EU.
>>737064892>Confusing jew rats with AmericansJeet
>>737064863>I’m a gullible idiot and terrible with money so I have to make it the whole world’s problem
>>737064836Almost all online games older than 20 years complies just fine.Retard
>>737064874>release the 'eck>"it's a PC, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it">pirating and adding games as non-steam games is a-ok to Gayben>you can remove SteamOS and install Windows and any other OS on itTimmy Tencent could never
>>737064916shareholders aren't going to like it when you stop offering your products to such a large userbase
>>737064874>killed UT4, a game with minimal monetary needs, while literallly printing money with fortniteepic game store could suck my dick for free and i'd still spit on itfuck you sweeney, you motherfucker
>>737064745>>737064249i'm in the west eu dm server rnvote roughinery
>>737064836That's not what it means at all. It means that you could no longer just brick everyone's games because you didn't feel like hosting the servers anymore and didn't bother to come up with end of service plan.
>>737064935*glock glock glock corpo cock* That's you.>>737064915You are wrong. Sneed. :^)
>>737064768Not retroactive.
>>737064931So... what's the difference in this particular case?
>I FUCKING LOVE LIVING IN A TOTALITARIAN SOCIALIST POLICE-STATEwhy are euroscum like this?
>>737064864What fallacy? Can you guys actually give examples where a company tried to deceive customers into thinking they own the product in a one-and-done type payment deal?Then I'll concede.
>>737064931Americans worship jews, they always have the same opinion as them so what's the diffrence?
I honestly and unironically have no idea who that is, and was expecting the rest of the thread to be people wondering who that is supposed to be as well.
>>737065042"I'll consneed when you engage in my pilpul"No :^)>>737065069>>737065035Same fag Isrealis
>>737065029>shartyfaggotThis site is for people over the age of 18.
>>737059516>when did games become so controlled by politicsretard underage gen alpha poster
>>737064935Too bad companies love gullible idiots and will do anything to force even those who aren't gullible idiots to buy the same thing gullible idiots buy by sistematically eliminating any alternative.
>>737059807Here's the problem: the money doesn't just disappear, it goes into the pocket of con artists and shysters. They use this money for bad things. They are not good people.You aren't just hurting dumb people, you are actively helping bad people. This makes society worse for everybody, including those of us who aren't retarded enough to spend tens of thousands on garbage. But that money isn't just dissipating into the ether when it's spent, it's taken in by the garbage producers so they can produce more garbage and advertise it, and shill it and buy out their competition, and make the entire industry worse.If you disagree with this, you are either too spiteful to care, you have delusions of benefiting, or you actually benefit from ripping people off. No matter which it is, I don't like you. Even if you're just baiting, you fall into the first category.
>I’m a broke neet failure >therefore I need the government to oppress people who are more successful than me
>>737065079boo-hoo, this is not your hugbox
>>737065112Whats a sharty? Touch grass
>>737065042You are so retarded
If this actually happens and human beings can run servers again we would actually end up with at least one place on the internet with free speech. That would be incredible. Might even get a company to allow it but I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>737065162So you have no idea either. Got it.
>>737059928>ross cleans up a little and absolutely mogs this turd
>corporations le evil and bad even doe every first world luxury I enjoy is because of corporations
>>737065149Says the lefty, with not a hint of remorse.
>>737064756>What closed it? What is stopping them from doing it right now? It at any other point in the last 40 years?I dunno, probably because gaming is significantly, SIGNIFICANTLY more popular and mainstream now than it ever was, which now makes it a more important avenue for them to consider.
IT IS AFRAIDYou love to see it
>>737065106>>737065175You can't even name one product?
>>737065198I do, and you could read the thread to find out, everything you need to know is here
>>737065042You already received all the explanation you need.If you suffucated on so much corpo dick you received brain damage that's your problem.
>>737065287>DUDE, JUST READ 300 POSTS. ALL THE INFO IS RIGHT THERE
>>737065262I genuinely wonder how much companies are paying them.
>>737064675No one is asking for games rented from blockbuster or whatever to keep them forever though???
The world went to shit once the consumers replaced workers.
>>737064931The one attribute common between Indians and Americans is their inexplicable devotion to companies and corporations. There's nary a corporate dick they won't eagerly suck.The very notion that a government is there to... you know... govern is a shocking revelation to them.
>>737065037>I FUCKING LOVE WHEN CORPOS FUCK ME IN THE ASS AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!! SURELY IF I IGNORE THE PROBLEM CORPOS WILL STOP RAPING ME ANYWAY!!!Why are burgers like this?
>>737065383oh babby wants the airplane? okay here comes the airplane! zooooooom
>>737064085I don't play these games or buy microtransactions, but it's obviously good having the government step in if it hurts game companies and reduces the amount of cancerous practices they can get away with.The people giving them money are the real problem, and they deserve to have their free will regulated, stupid fucking cunt.
>>737065460Burgers love getting raped by corporations though.
>>737065468Joke's on you, faggot. I just reverse searched it and turns out it's some nobody youtuber.
>>737065395it's amazing the lenghts these fuckers will go in order to not give a single inch back to consumersand probably a lot, considering a few fuckers like this shill pretending to be a fucking retard with the kirby avatar are probably on the same payroll
>>737065042>What fallacy?the one where you completely misrepresent what is being talked aboutbut you already knew that, corpo rat shill and are pretending to be ignorant
>>737059516stupid goyim or evil jew, call it
>>737065030It's still unreasonable to expect developers to implement these defunct (and unsafe) methods especially since they're more difficult for no benefit
i genuinly cant tell if the people against skg are retards, shills, paid corpo plants, or all 3.im an actual gamedev, and lemme tell ya just making a game not reliant on the main server is pretty fucking easy. in most cases its literally just a few lines, where instead of it connecting to the main server it connects to whatever server you tell it to. it doesnt even need a dedicated ui, it could just read the server address from the config or something.anyone who thinks this is impossible is a retarded corpo plant
>>737065261Okay? What does that have to do with what I asked? The original hypothesis was that because SKG is asking the EU to step in and regulate devs/publishers' behavior around this one issue, that's carte blanche for them to start censoring the content of games. My questions were "why do they need SKG to do that?" and "what stopped them from doing it before SKG?".
https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/webstreaming/committee-on-internal-market-and-consumer-protection-ordinary-meeting-committee-on-legal-affairs-com_20260416-1100-COMMITTEE-IMCO-JURI-PETIGot to love the fact that the Kraut at ~11:40 utterly shamelessly starts blabbing in German after everyone had been attempting to address Parliament in their best possible English - and then topped it off with a whole lot of horseshit regarding ownership rights and intellectual property, including in particular the embedding of third-party licensed material such as music and such.Maybe someone should take a hardcopy of EU Directive 2019/770 and smack him on across the face with it.Article 10 states traders and their representatives, which includes the entire chain of supply including the manufacturers aka the publisher and devleoper in case of video games, is required to ensure that the consumer is not hindered in consuming a purchased product as a consequence of having to abide by third party rights - in particular intellectual property rights - and that them not upholding this tenet gives the consumer equal recourse and access to remediation as having a product that is unfit for purpose: either the problem is fixed, i.e. access to the content is restored, or the consumer can terminate the contract and is owed back their full sum of purchase.
>>737059317Icryeverytime
>>737064085But Kirby, natural selection is what brought us the current state of the industry.People have voted with their wallet, and clearly it was voted that GaaS, gacha, etc are good actually, and if you don't like it then tough shit.
>>737065536>look mom I did my homework!good boy! now keep doing this instead of asking
>>737061020What people don't realise, because they only read the surface level and make assumptions on it, is that the EU already was moving to address planned obsolescence with things likeRight to Repair Directive - Already passed in 2024, but you'll not heard about in in these threadsDigital Fairness Act - Basically a digital version of the rights to repair act, protections against revocable licenses and expiry dates on purchases.Digital Content Directive 2019 - Already in place and guarantees a 2 year minimum warranty for digital goods and keep digital products functional for a reasonable time.The reason the EU likes SKG is because it's already singing the same tune they have been for years and slots in nicely to the Digital Fairness Act they've been writing up for a while now.
post yfw we won
>no you don't get it! i HAVE to say the n word! you have to let me run my own server or else i'll get banned!Grow up.
>>737059928The sad thing is that he was ultimately right. This SKG bullshit will only result in over regulation of games, increasing costs, limiting competition, and probably killing indie multiplayer games.
>>737064085Sweet jesus. If we are going off the basis that corporations are people then they should have their freedoms taken away or regulated when they instituted cancerous practices and hurt people for profits just like people would be punished for. Sorry that you're too much of a corporate cock slave to understand that.
>>737065583All 3, and trolls of course. 15-20 years ago it would've been almost universally supported with a small contigent of shitposters calling it fake and gay and one lone tripfag sucking corpo cock and getting shat on relentlessly. Now we live in a much dumber world.
>>737065665>HAHA I JUST REPLIED TO YOU SEVERAL TIMES INSTEAD OF JUST TELLING YOU WHO THIS NOBODY IS...BECAUSE I WAS TEACHING YOU A LESSON OR SOMETHING!You sure showed my, nigga. Keep it up.
>>737063896their only concern are the elections. once they get on the gravy train they dont give a shit about anything else but getting re elected. sometimes they have to lick voter ass a bit to achieve that but those are just tiny incidental victories for democracy.
>>737064916Genuinely, that's easier than you think. Google throws around that threat the nanosecond any country gets uppity.
>>737065583Of course it isn't hard, corpos are just against it because they lose total control of it and/or can't resell it to you as easily in the future if you can still play it.
>>737064768>>737065576Do you even play videogames nigger?Reminder that when Titanfall 2 crapped itself the community literally kept it alive by modding it so it could have player hosted servers FOR FREE.
>>737065541I honestly think even more than simply economics is a matter of ego.The cost of implementing a end of life plan is probably a rounding error in these multi hundred milions projects, but having something they deemed no longer useful still being enjoyed by people is apparently intollerable to them.
>>737059317>I am here to talk about consumer beneficial policies that are needed to counter the current videogame exploitation practices in the industry.>Dresses as a rejected science professor who believes in aliens and has slight dementia.I guarantee you that half the people in that room did not take him seriously enough to care about his message and his detractors(the companies) are gonna have a field day trying to discredit him.Why are burgers so retarded? was it that hard for ONCE in your life to wash your hair and tie it up in a ponytail, and shave off the beard and mustache?
>>737065731that nigger is just a shill resorting to troll tactics because every single point he made was refuted
>>737060886Your angle clearly didn't work. I seriously wish I had more worthy opposition.
>>737065594None too surprisingly, Voss is one of the duplicitous weasels who are advocating the EU should champion its own digital market to compete with the US's by restricting the privacy protection that legislative efforts such as the GDPR and AI act confer on its citizens, because it gets in the way of the market.
>>737065720this
>TFW won at my favourite map in a game no longer supported nor sold by one of the biggest publishers in videogamesSUCK MY DIIIIIIICK
>>737065757And it never amounts to anything, because the damage to Google stock if it decided to not operate in the whole EU would lead the board of shareholders to immediately kick the current CEO out.
>>737065383>why are people expecting me to read on this imageboard instead of entering the thread and immediately making a post asking questions that were already answereddo you also enter conversations halfway through and get mad at the participants when you don't know what they're talking about?
>>737065594>that krautAnon, that is Axel Voss, the guy that tried and succeeded to pass upload filters EU-widethe only reason we dont have them nowadays is because the directive was considered unconstitutional in pretty much every country, including his own
>>737059317>yay! more government
>>737065726Said "indie multiplayer games" literally rely on player hosted servers or P2P connection, idiot... literally THINK OF DA CHILDREN argument.
Tell me again why I should care about any of this at all.
>>737065814Not everything is about hair and washes you dumb dirty overcompensating pajeet.
>>737065814Your guarantee doesn't amount to shit, man.
>everyone just mass replying to shills and debunking their shit in under a minuteglorious work, keep it up anons, the corporate machine is afraid
>>737065720>>no you don't get it! i HAVE to say the n word! you have to let me run my own serverYes.
>>737065749exactly, basic forum etiquette: lurk before posting.
>>737065720>say nigger>loopback protocol>it just loops back to my own PC which it never left
>>737064768>completely rewrite their gameshow did you even find this board
>>737065726>increasing costs, limiting competition, and probably killing indie multiplayer gamesWe had dedicated player hosted server functionality baked into the games back in 90ies and 00s. Back when games were made by teams which would be categorized as "indie" nowadays. There is absolutely ZERO reason otherwise than corporate greed that we do not have this functionality in modern multiplayer games. If it can be done, and it can be done because it was proven so some 20-30 years ago, and the end consumer would benefit from it then it must be enforced. Consumer state should not be allowed to degrade.
>>737065889I just wanted to know who this dude was, anon. Why the fuck are you so on edge? I simple reply with his name would've sufficed, but instead you chose to be a belligerent faggot and waste your own time.
>>737059317
>>737065726>indie multiplayer gamescan you name these indie multiplayer games which are using dedicated servers that host essential content for their game to function? I just wanted to know because all the ones I've played are exclusively locally-hosted P2P and I want to avoid any retards running servers for their indie game
>>737065681>Already in place and guarantees a 2 year minimum warranty for digital goodsIt actually treats one-time supply and continuous supply differently.For one-time supply (e.g. download once, keep the installer offline) there must be a minimum of 2 years during which the trader is liable for defects.For continuous supply (e.g. title added to a digital library for installation on demand, updates keeping it evergreen - aka Steam, PSN, etc.) the trader remains liable for a minimum of 2 years and then on for as long as continuous supply lasts.Aka if you bought a game on Steam back when the platform launched in the 2010s, and it no longer works now when you try to reinstall it from your library - then Valve is liable for that. Because - yes; these provisions when they entered into force, applied retroactively to all purchases that were still in active supply.
>>737065576>>737064768>It was possible in the past>Somehow it is not possible now
>>737065872put me in the screencap
>>737060604If only american company could treat their customers loyally.........
>>737062018>talmuderino>EUAre you retarded? the EU is a Muslim power, they hate Jews and want to nuke Israel.
>>737066053it's a time-honored tradition to tell people who can't find easily accessible information on their own to fuck offthere's multiple banners on this site about spoonfeeding
>>737066102>If only american company could treat their customers loyally.........
>>737065960>Lurk my eceleb thread, nigga.Oh sorry, my bad for being curious about who some dude on the internet is. Shouldn't have bothered in the first place with your faggotry it seems.
>hurrrr you should run da servers forever or else daddy will sue youwhat an abortion of a proposal
>>737060339Ideally they would discuss and debate the arguments, not optics, but the world is the way it is.
>>737066191good thing that's not what's being proposed
>>737065894>Anon, that is Axel VossYeah- I realized after the fact. I KNEW that smug face looked familiar.
>"people" whining about how his shirt is loosely fittingIf only I knew which group of people was responsible for such senselessly tribalistic posts coupled with such effeminate vanity... #964B00 comes to mind.....................
>u-um... *sniffles* ...actually it'll l-lose... *lip trembling* ...cuz I don't like his hair and shirt!
>>737063268look at her go!
>>737066191>If I keep repeating that provably false statement it'll make it trueNigger.
>>737066185you're welcome to leave the thread, dude.And evidently is not just an e-celeb thread, given that is reaching 400 replies and wasn't deleted, but you know that, right?
>>737065927It is to the old pricks in that building dumbass, they noticed his appearance 100%.I understand that in Burgerland you retards wear shorts and crocs and look like you haven't washed or shaved once in your life and think that's OK, but in political conferences in almost every other part of the world people look and dress for the occasion.Him looking like that is him actively working against himself for no fucking reason when he needs to make the best impression possible.
>Deep Rock Galactic is built in a similiar way to live service products BUT you can play without internet, the saves are kept on your side and you can play any season you want>any multiplayer game I can think of has player hosted servers or P2P>niggers STILL enter these threads screaming how SKG will kill heccin innocent indie deverinos when indies would be literally immunelol
>>737066078>then Valve is liable for thati don't think it's that simple. there are other variables to be considered, os and hardware requirements being outstandingthough their proton implementation might just make this point moot as fuck too
>>737066191>i'm a gigantic faggot please rape my face
>>737066165>I-I CAN'T TELL YOU THIS RANDOM DUDE'S NAME. IT'S SPOONFEEDING, YOU SEE, AND THAT GOES AGAINST SOME RULE OR SOMETHINGlmao
>>737066228yes it is lying faggot>>737066269you have no proof
>>737066191how about let ME run my own serversN I G G E R
>>737066298*multiplayer indie game
>>737065718>post yfw we won
>>737059928>I'm right
>>737066287>old pricks in that buildingthe average age in that building is like 35they grew up with the NESI am active in politics in my region and it's insane how often you hear people talk about what you would consider totally un-politician like, like pokemon romhacks or strategy games
>>737066279Yeah, I can see from the last few replies. It's about some losers wanting access to easily emulated games and stuff. Meaningless shit.
>>737065718shills in shamblesit's a good feeling
>>737059928>I was responsible for this>Without me this would have never happened>They should thank me
>>737066287>saar plis saar cut jour hair saarShut up.
>>737065718
>>737066463>acting oblivious on purpose
>>737066345Show me proof that in the proposal, keeping the servers up forever is the only available solution.
>>737066306That doesn't affect liability. Liability is simply lasting.However, even when you are liable for a defect - the claim of defect itself can still be invalid. And the claim being invalid is the territory you enter when you start discussing the variables encompassing hardware and OS requirements, because the trader never warranted the game would be compatible with more modern hardware and OS requirements, etc. etc.(Well- actually; if they listed 'minimum requirements' and didn't specifically excluded newer versions, than they actually *did* warrant that. According to guidance and explanation on the legislative package that the EU Commission itself already released a few years ago.)
>>737066463good, you're reading the thread just as I asked you! good boy!
>>737066490>says the SKG fedshill
>>737059317Japs are absolutely seething right now.
>>737066580cry harder shill
i was very confused by this thread because i thought sam hyde was somehow let into a parliament
>>737066532the burden of proof is on you
>>737059516>think of the shareholders, goyim!!!!!you lost, moshe.
>>737064868Gasp!
>>737066643Not how it works. You made the initial statement.
>>737066463Say ahhhhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Killing_Games
>>737059928Ferret fucker status?
>>737066643no it's not
We should just make online games illegal. Single player, couch co-op, or LAN only.
>>737066752Forever assmad.
>>737066652Keep crying, Muhammad. It will never pass.
>>737062018This, it just doesn't sit right with me that people are cheering for this while Yurop is being overran with violent, lazy, smelly turd world immigrants. Like cool that you're pro-consumer rights, but how about addressing the giant dumpster fire elephant in the room destroying your entire continent in record time first? But nope, they just keep going full steam ahead with the bullshit.Thank God I'm American.
>>737059807Just because you CAN exploit retards doesn't mean you SHOULD. That's what sets Europe and America apart. While America is like>yes, you can exploit retards, because muh freedomEurope is like>no, you can't, because muh common decencybecause when it comes to markets and capitalism, Europe actually cares about protecting the lowest common denominator that can't protect itself. Caring about the weak, genuinely caring, is something a stereotypical American can't wrap his mind around.
>>737063802>publicly traded companies are required by law to generate the maximum profit possibleThat's actually a false interpretation of Dodge v Ford according to many who have in a professional capacity studied the case, its ruling, and the applicable law. Such companies' fiduciary obligations require them primarily - and actually taken verbatim: require them *only*; and no more - to place the shareholders' interests first. Which does not necessarily correspond to maximizing short-term profits if that would lead to the company blowing apart in insolvency and bankruptcy due to consumer pushback and the shares going down the drain.
>>737066838>but what aboutlmao fuck off shill
>>737059928Holy shit are you retards obsessed with this guy. He's infinitely more successful than any of you neckbeard /v/irgins and he is 100% correct about SKG. Seethe forever.
>>737066558Wait, it really is just about playing old games? lmao. Get a life, nigger.
>>737059928I love how this guy became a gaming icon of not caring for a common man.
>>737066984>appeal to trivialitynot this time corponigger :)
>>737066191thats not what it is. basically they have to provide a way for it to be playable at all.
>>737059317I kneel
>>737066794Biblical Trvke
>Hey can you let us play with bots and host our own servers like we could for decades.>NOOOO THIS IS LITERALLY GENOCIDE HOW DARE YOUWho are AAA companies and their shills kidding with this shit?
>>737066463Wow. Anon. How did you do it?Your brain? It's sooo--- smooth. So polished! All sparkly like a freshly rubbed down billiard ball.(And just about as big as well.)
>>737064768Sounds like a not my problem type of problem inni't?
>>737066838Right, as an American you don't need to choose, you get neither
So what is this thread even about?
>>737066794Having online is good, forcing you to be online to play them at all is what should be illegal.
>>737064874except windows xp, the OS steam launched on, cannot run steam anymore which means games you bought for that PC that worked just fine before now don't anymore. Steam killed physical PC releases and is gay as fuck
>>737067046But it IS what this is all about. What a retarded fucking endeavor.
>>737066984If you don't care, you're free to fuck off and let the people that care talk about it, faggot.
>>737060423He's a Polish citizen, he lives in Poland. I'm surprised by the lack of this board's knowledge of Ross lore.
>>737066794
>>737066984On the contrary, SKG has literally nothing to do with old games, as the proposed changes will not be retroactive. :^)
>just shot the shit in a 20+yo fps game with some anons>just because i coulda game without dedicated servers is objectively anti-gamer
>>737064768They used to be able to do it all the time, if they forgot in the meantime to push for online cosmetic stores and other such bullshit it's not my problem.
>>737066794cringe, but also based
Why are Europeans such a pathetic and defeated people?>but we saved le heckin' videojames!!!!It's like the spongebob meme where they saved the city as it burns around them
>>737067165It's the exact opposite. lmao, the motion was written to be accessible by idiots, yet your reading comprehension suggests you never passed the fourth grade.
>>737067165>hes doubling down on itcorponigger:)
>>737060027A lot of laws are pretty old and not up to date with modern technology. This initiative is trying to remedy this. Sadly because of the current political climate this might end up being a thing only in the EU, Canada and Australia. The USA, Chinese and Japan gamers will keep getting fucked in the ass by corporations.
>>737067170Nah, I'm having too much fun laughing at this retarded shit. Just emulate your games, nigga.
>>737066924>if that would lead to the company blowing apartand that's something you'd have to prove in court. so unless there is already pushback against a scummy practice, they will have to continue doing it. how would you prove that releasing unfinished games hurts the company, when retards keep buying them?
>>737067162There are still ways to run steam on older operating systems. There are also ways to obtain games you've bought on steam and run them on any computer you want. The problem in all of this is not abou physical vs digital because the live-service problem affects even the physical releases which require connecting to the internet by design. The Crew on xbox is just as broken and dead as on PC.
>>737059516So true goyim, we should play non politically charged game, like one of the hundreds of military shooters from the 2000s about shooting towelheads and now awesome the US army is.
>>737067292This, we don't you elect israel warmongering pedo puppets like us?
>>737066794God I miss couch coop being a regular feature. I bought a PS4 and had barely any games I could play with my best friends. We'd have to dust off the PS3 or a Nintendo console if we wanted to play vidya.
> The Greens' representative turns "our princess is in another castle" into a political message.Oh... Nintendo is *not* going to like that one.
>>737059317Good and we should all hope he wins
>y-yea well he looks stupid! jesus fucking christ
>>737067292>you can only work on one problem at a time!we already know all your tricks, shill. you're getting called out every time.
>>737064085The fact that your retarded ass still thinks the free market will regulate itself when corporations are actively preventing the free market from regulating itself with government subsides and patient trolling means you are ether a retarded Boomer or a fucking lolbertarain
>>737064768>You can't seriously expect game developers to completely rewrite their games to be compatible with this.You're right. I can't. I'm going to be expecting it unseriously: while laughing my lungs out and bursting my sides, all the way to the end.
>>737067292>your countries have crime>therefore you should not be allowed to own video games eitherNice logic, slave.
If people don't want always online games, why don't they just... not buy them?
>>737067429anon that's a paid shill, he doesn't think. he's pasting "arguments" from google drive
>>737067292Once again it's up to Europe to make the world a better place while amerigolems seethe in impotence.
>>737059516They do that anyway, at least with this there’s less scams
>>737066643>you need to prove what i'm saying is falsewe have a term for that, it's called 'proving a negative'tell you what, if you prove I'm not currently orbiting neptune, I'll show you the SKG FAQ that answers your question (that you already know the answer to)
>>737067487Because it doesn't solve the problem. What stops these companies from turning all the other games retroactively into live-service games?
>>737067527The Earth doesn't orbit Neptune.
>>737067487>just vote with your walletretard
>>737067350not officially. So fuck gaben.
>>737066794So how things used to be before corpos decided that they need all the control? I'm ok with that. I spent my collage weekends at LAN parties playing UT99 and CS, and before that when i was at school we were gathering at the local PC club to play Quake 2, Dune 2000 and MechWarrior II LAN.
>>737067487Anon...
Remember to thank piratesoftware for inadvertently promoting SKG through spite
>>737059807>companies should just be allowed to scam wildly and customers should never ever ever be allowed to have any recoursethis is why burgertown is a low trust society.
>>737060027The main problem is that what modern games (or almost any software) are is not really that clear from a legal perspective.Are they a product? A service? A rental? Corporations simply define what you buy as a "license", then they use that legal grey area to pick and choose how to classify it based on what's more convenient to them (for example, if it was actually classified as a service freely distributed pirates copies of software that don't use their server infrastructure would be legal).
>>737065731>hurt peopleI'm sorry, I didn't realize gaming was a human right? Sorry I think that not wasting tax dollars and giving government more power was worth the trade off.Also I keep asking for one example of a game company scamming people but nobody has answered. And I don't mean in the "that doesn't count" troll sense, I mean literally not one answer. Because apparently it's "so obvious" that none have to be mentioned.>>737065823>every single point he made was refutedWhere? All the replies I've gotten are just calling me a shill or some other names. Which doesn't even make sense since I'm telling people to stop buying these games. Wouldn't a shill do the opposite? My point was that entertainment industries should simply be dictated by free market. But you guys are all just "NOPE LULZ shill shill die nigger shill sorry but I gotta consoooooom!" Where exactly is your sophisticated argument?
>>737067636I remember getting together with my family and playing the shit out of HoMM 3 using hot seat.
>>737063958Nah, and (Bela)Russia would be about the last country I'd want to be in at the moment.The EU is still a steaming pile of shit, that constantly does politics against the citizens of its member states, because the EU-"our democracy" is an aristocracy of a """liberal""" elite that has united against them.Standing strong against Russia would be a good thing, but this EU-Europe is criminally unfit for the job. And the solution is NOT dissolving the role of nation states even further.It's representing them with a united voice to the world, while recognizing that if there is no unity on a matter, that's perfectly fine. It simply means the EU should shut the fuck up about it.
>>737061219The US is LITERALLY run by Isreal
>>737067629Valve doesn't discourage it either.
>>737067676Anon, most of us had already signed up for the initiave. We had STOPKILLINGGAMES threads on /v/ before all the drama with the e-celeb faggot.
>>737067594Who said I'm on earth? I'm on an artificial satellite made in the shape of a mobius strip. It takes around a week for me to complete a full orbit.
>>737066642>City councils, trade commission, the EU parliament – you want it? It's yours, my friend, as long as you have enough signatures.
>>737067734Hot seat and split screen was great back in the day.
>>737061219As opposed to America which is a brown shithole directly controlled by globalist jews.
>>737067576They lose business and their shit gets piratedAs has been the case for decades.>>737067628>I would do anything in my power to have ownership of my games but I would NEVER EVER EVER support the stores that allow it.
>>737067487>if people dont want microplastics in their nuts, why don't they just... stop buying plastic products? because the industry is still fucked regardless and you still face the consequences regardless
I would normally express my opinion on certain country's people for wanting no regulations on vidya and rather let corpos run free and do whatever they want for profit, but criticizing that country, it's people, politics, or even the corporations and billionaires gives you a ban quickly.All in all I think that unless you are in the game industry as a shareholder, having proper regulations and rules for those game industry giants is a good thing. We don't want them normalizing shitty services and making them a standard. No matter what your country of origin has told you, the rich aren't automatically good people just because they are rich. And just because one political side is against those rich people and corporations doing shitty things, doesn't mean you gotta kneejerk react and start defending those corpos and rich people.I genuinely hope people will someday learn that. Rich people and corporations are the only ones losing here. Not the game devs, they want their games to be playable. But the corpos and the rich doesn't, because then they can push you to buy new product.Please understand that.
>>737059317I don't really see the point of this when the EU has been imploding for years now ever since Brexit happened. It won't matter if you see a precedent for gaming with this, as long as the legal authority goes, so will the rules
>Government likes it because it's another way to fine companies and weaken their hold while also being popular with populace>Populace likes it because it makes their purchases less likely to go poof and fucks with corporations>Corporations hate it because it makes their planned obsolesce plans less effective and opens up doors to the same happening to all of the paid software
>>737059317What the fuck is the point of this initiative? Literally just forcing game devs to indefinitely throw money at dead games to keep their servers alive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmvcJuBOaQE>June 2015>he's been at it for over 10 (ten) years>he finally did it
>>737067918>doubling down on itbased retard
>>737067720>Also I keep asking for one example of a game company scamming peopleThe crew
>>737067998Either they release a server browser and hosting tools or they stop making live service slop
>>737067924>equating videogames to health hazardsyou niggers and your delusions of heroism
>>737060163I think he just likes having long hair. It might not look great, but he likes it, so fuck it. Admirable
>>737067998Maldavius you know that's not how this works
If they ever gonna do something (like after 5 years) they'll use this as an excuse to push something they want, like more digital ID stuff for example."Hey do you want to see this service running? that's fine but we should know and regulate how many people want this so give us your ID before anything else"
>>737067189He actually doesn't have Polish citizenship.
>>737067998How long do you plan to keep screaming that you're completely clueless about the initiative?
stopkillinggames
>>737067292Funny how he posts statistics about Germany, when Merkel is currently negotiating with the new Syrian regime to kick out 80% of the people that came from that country.As opposed to Trump, who bloviates a lot and then does little, Western European countries will scream about diversity and tear their shirts in rage... and then quietly deport everyone they don't want.
>>737066936>T. Jason
well /v/, what have YOU accomplished lately?
>>737068102then let citizens host themselves independent of any centralised system or party that is responsiblethat is the pointSKG does NOT ask publishers and developers to run servers and support indefinately
>>737068063rent free
>No you guys don't understand, this will enable digital IDs somehow!The pilpul is off the charts. The kike trembles.
>>737064085>The free market and trickle down economics is going to fix all our problems any day now, just give it another 40 years we promise
>>737067987>Boot licking mutt hoping for the death of superior civlizationsRight, centuries of roman legislature got immediately cancelled out of existence once the roman empire fell, uh?NOBODY has something like, uhhhhhhhhh a senate these days, right???
>>737068217i signded the stop kill games initiative that put mold man into the parliament :DDDDDDD'tis a victory for us all
>>737068017I always double down when I'm right.
>>737063316Your "union" censors the crimes of migrants and lets them off with raping and killing your women and children. The most popular name in your countries is Muhammad. Kill yourself.
>>737059928>Maybe if I told them that I worked at Blizzard for 20 years they would listen to me instead
>>737067987Britain is literally crawling back to the EU. They're restarting the Erasmus program just this week
>>737068290The EU still wants to enable digital IDs, one good thing doesn't cancel one bad thing.
piracy already solved this issue
>be aspiring game dev>finally get hired>you're immediately assigned to make updates for some shitty 20 year old game with an average of 2 concurrent players at any given time>no reassignments
>>737068348>i'm a colossal faggotFTFY
>>737067987Ivan, what are you doing shitposting in SKG threads?
>>737068460that's a dream job for some
>>737068217I played a video game. I'm expecting my award in the mail shortly.
>>737068460>it's the game that got you interested in the company to begin withBest gig ever
>>737068449>Piracy solved games relying on central servers to be played being shut downHow?
>>737068516private servers
>>737068460*updateFTFY
>>737068445This still has nothing to do with that retardo.
>>737068018It says "online only" and "xbox live required", which I would naturally assume means it relies on the dev servers. But I can see why an autist like Ross would think it means local host.I'll give you the point. Are there no better examples though? Would be rather pathetic if this whole movement is based just on this.
>>737068058>he doesn't understand analogies on a conceptual levelI'm really sorry for you
>>737068217Surviving in this European dead-cat-won't-even-bounce economy.Every single day is an accomplishment - even before encountering "doctors and rocket engineers" on the streets.
>>737068217my doctor fingered my asshole and she said I didn't have asscancer probably>>737068573star citizen
>>737068290We're about ten seconds away from them starting to speak in tongues, I'd say.
>>737059317Remember to thank him
>>737068606Yes, Europe is a horrible place. To all Americans, don't come here. Stay in the USA.
>>737068217put 5 coats of shellac on an endtable i'm makingalso programmed for some hoursand ate some bitchass trufle cubes
>>737059807Don't try to understand Europeans brother. It's waste of time.
>>737068361Not a minority in my own country like you are anon. Let me guess, you see videos and images of stuff happening in a city and think thats the whole country. Whenver something outrageous happens in places outside of America its because its shocking, in America its normal. Shit, didnt you just get another George Floyd moment this week where a brown woman stabbed a 5 year old white kid and there were fucking protestors over the shooting even when there was video? See thats not even outrageous to you because its normal, to us? Yea, thats still shocking because its rare. Its not normal like it is for you.Sort your shit out before you point to others failings, we are not even close to being as bad as you, and were seeing the signs, and are pushing against it before its unfixable like your situation is. Again, not a minority in my own country, no EU country is, the problem is that 90% should be 99% and there needs to stop being special treatement afforded to 3rd worlders, not that we have literally been replaced.
>>737066886>that can't protect itself.You can't distinguish online games from offline games? Are you retarded?
>>737063316>>737068861Imagine looking down at anyone when your countries do this. You're going to close this thread at the sight of this reply. Kill yourself faggot
>>737068445>The EU still wants to enable digital IDsIt's not the EU. Certain politicians in the EU are getting bribed to push this crap. Did you miss the part where people discovered who is funding those ''protect the children'' groups? It was fucking META. This crap is being lobbies by social network techbros who simply want to harvest more data. This is not something that politicians came up with on their own. There is a reason why it is happening all over the world.
>>737068217I've brought a few more souls into the cult of Factorio, for the fact that Wube made a great game and is actually one of the last few remaining companies in the industry that not just go about their business in an admirably honest way even foregoing the profits from disruptive practices of sales culture in the process; that do not just continue to support a by all counts 10 year old game and STILL keeping it current with patches that fix small bugs occuring at infinitessimal odds, that enhance performance, and that continue to pile on new features for e.g. modding; but that even have pledged that if the company should ever go under or abandon the title in any other capacity, THEY WILL RELEASE SOURCE.
>>737068861>its just a one time thing!This is what that anon was talking about btw liberal politics are a cancer in this world
>>737068882kek, his little muslim clitty couldn't satisfy her STACY GOD PUSSY
>>737067628>You don't understand, it's completely out of my control! I just HAVE to buy every and all live service slop that comes out!I'd call you a retard, but you're actually just cattle.
>>737068882Wowza wow! Holy shit, anon! Thanks for sharing that news, I will now stop supporting consumer rights. Someone got raped, and thus I should also let corporations to figuratively rape me.
>>737068882>being acquitted of rape because of your premature ejaculation
>>737068217I jorked it and took a shower
>>737068882Dow is doing good therefore rape victims don't matter. Straight from the mouth of the former US AJ.
>>737068882>buy rape>get raped>publisher suddenly pulls out pre-emptively before I could even cum without any stated expiration date when I dressed this waywooooooooowfuck this gay earth
>>737069134cool but whom are you quoting shill? i don't buy live service slop, try again.
>>737068018The Crew shut down in 2024, like 10 years after its launch. At which point it had playercounts in the low double digits for 8 years.Like I get being mad about games that are shut down while still having a somewhat sizeable playerbase, but it was practically dead and just got old yeller'd.
>>737059516>In 5 years Zoomers will talk about when did games become so controlled by politicsThis postset hit submit in 2004 and it took 4chan 22 years to finally render the post
love how once the americans wake they have to derail the discussion with irrelevant shitcan't wait for your shithole to collapse, and it's never been so close
>>737069376People paid for the game. It should be up to them when they want to stop playing, not the publisher.
>>737068749I'd prefer the US at this point, if not all my friends and family lived in Europe.The US are rewarding working your ass off. Europe rewards lazying around on benefits.
I don't think this whole initiative will change anything, but watching retards seething because it gets traction is hilarious. what causes this deficiency?
>>737067576>What stops these companies from turning all the other games retroactively into live-service games?Not like Nintendo is exactly guilty of this and this is really outside the scope of SKG anyway but>bought an NES game? sure, it's physical, you can play it forever and it'll probably last forever>hey, remember that NES game you liked? now you can buy it on the Wii digitally! no worries, as long as your Wii works you can even redownload it for free..if our servers stay up>hey buddy, it's available on 3DS/Wii U now too! you gotta buy it again though, full price. none of that cross-buy shit. bringing a ROM over is hard work.>sup nigga! the switch is here and brand-new online too! just pay us $50 a year for a catalog of carefully curated shovelware. buying old games? keeping them forever? don't be silly, subscription services are the new metaI don't like the idea of company doing a rugpull for a game you actually bought but neither do I like the idea of pay once, keep forever turning into pay forever, keep nothing
Fun fact: Every individual who opposed this initiative publicly was a current AAA employee or a gay furry
>>737064085I've been voting with my wallet for 25 years and it only got worse
>>737069376yeah not my problempeople boughted? they get to play itsimple as>yeah i may have stolen this food from the supermarket but like...>nobody actually enjoys raisins anyway so who was gonna eat them?
>>737069554>what causes this deficiency?the thread we had today was pretty tame and had discussion going, now that the retards are awake it's gone shit
>>737064248hold on...I recognize that swimming pool
>>73706821710 years as a neet
>>737069554>watching retards seething because it gets traction is hilarious. what causes this deficiency?Gullible retards being good goys or extremely retarded /pol/niggers with rightoid derangement syndrome that believe in free market thinking that companies are making products for your enjoyment and totally wouldn't scam you out of every cent if you let them roam free.
>>737068965Yea liberal politics are a cancer, youre right, how does this change that youre a minority in your own country and murder on the streets is normal.>but we elected TrumpSo? Whats actually changed, youre still getting shootouts in the streets and children getting stabbed by niggers, again, this is shocking elsewhere because its not normal, to you this is news of the week. You literally have the problems we have tenforld and are laughing when it happens to us, when its happening to you in a large capacity.Dont mistake me for being a leftists, the right should not tolerate what it does in the America. You are a nation of niggers that worship money, and when you arent doing that you worship pedophiles. Sort your fucking shit out instead of pointing at how bad it is in places that are doing better sociatally, even when the governance is awful at least the people arent literally going into churches and gunning people down in the same week a bomb is thrown into a crowd and its only on the news for 2 days.
>>737069562Yeah but live-service game and game that only runs on very specific hardware are two different things. If I have an old game that only runs on ancient console that has been out of production for decades, that's a 100% me-problem. Then I just need to get my hands on the hardware. When game is live-service, it is designed so that it absolutely cannot function even if I have everything up to par on my own end.
>>737059516I told you to stop pre-ordering games because it enables broken release builds and endless development windows.I told you to stop paying for DLC because it enables intentionally incomplete game development.I told you to stop supporting microtransactions because it enables casino-like skinnerbox daily-grind dogshit game design.I told you to stop supporting always-online functionality because it enables straight-up ending a game's very existence.You have already all but killed the hobby.I am ending this suffering wether you like it or not.
>>737064249Why are you being so antisemitic?
>>737064249oy vey
if ID becomes mandatory on the internet, I will create my own internet simple as
>>737070346Most people did all that, but whales made it profitable (except for the last part, pre-orders aren't a thing anymore)
>>737069894>So? Whats actually changedThe average American is getting raped financially and all of our decisions are being led by monkeys subservient to Israel and the American Christian version of Jesus, like all Republican presidencies.
>>737070498what if creating your own internet is illegalized
>>737068861>Its not normal like it is for youThis. We don't even hear about burger mass shootings in the media here anymore, unless it's at least Columbine tier. It simply hasn't been newsworthy for years.
every game that has ever been rev engineered/resurrected for private servers has looked like>1/100>0/100>0/100>20/50 (these are bots)>8/50 (this is the gay meta gamemode the real fans hate)>17/100 (actually playing the real game but it's RUS only)after a week
>>737071230guess we shouldn't bother at all then
>>737071230So? At least I can play my favorite multiplayer game with my buddies whenever I feel like it.
>>737071230Yes, because they're very old and because modern (last 15 years) games with dedicated servers haven't undergone a mass extinction event yet. The entire point is to prevent that from happening.
