OwlKEK just posted a masterclass on how they write romance. What did (you) think of it?https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1184370/view/521995920023224639
>>737059573I hate bitchy characters and she doesn't even make up for it cause she a ugly freak
>>737059573The nymphussy...
Owlcat romances are with shitty undesirable women who have tens of thousands of miles of dick run through them. They are arguably the worst people to take notes about romance from. I have never once felt like I was bonding or connecting with a character in Owlcat's shitty lineup, and I'm a huge fucking faggot who actively seeks out and plays low quality dating sims.>>737059790I took the option to kill her. I painted the wall with her. I was not going to sit through essays of text detailing how she's suddenly "relatable". She wasn't. She was dead. I killed her. And I actually made every decision up to that point that qualified me for that secret romance.
A game about a real relationship would be no fun because you could do all your objectives and bonuses but still your girlfriend could throw a fit about some random unrelated shit then leave you.
>>737059573For me it's
>>737059573>For example, we added Wenduag quite late in production. Because of that, we had to reshuffle the roster and figure out what to do with itExplains why she's such a schizoid character
>>737059663The ending of Wenduag's romance is pretty cute. It really made me emotional.
>romance guide from the creators of.... shitty D&D sloppa #543254253234yeah idc
>>737059573I think it is fucking bullshit I couldn't romance Amiri and make her my queen.
I love writing romances, I usually start with a couple idea with a fun dynamic and build the whole story around them
>>737059573>a guide on how to write romance by the people who never let you romance the best girl in their games (Argenta wasn't their fault but still)
Let me fuck the dragon, please.
>>737061093Making Wenduag embarassed by kissing her!
>>737059573That explains why Argenta isn't romanceable and that gw had nothing to do with it.
Is WotR doable with an unarmed monk build? BG3 had Tavern Brawler, I don't know if the Monk classes in Pathfinder are any good.
>>737062764based catkisser!
>>737063069Pretty sure the new drunken master subclass is great
>>737059979Old Maid Galfrey's a virgin who only ever kissed one guy before.
>>737063269Does that make you consume copious amounts of alcohol before fights for buffs? Kino if so.
>>737062337Best girl has been available consistently, sounds like a you problem
>OwlKEK>good romance
That is a lot of words to justify not offering the player a chaste, virginal romance option and always reminding the player that their choosen partner has another mans seman drying between her legs.
>>737063510You already got that with the cunt queen that tried to get you killed, go enjoy it
>started playing wotr for the first time the other day>met Nenio>alignment is true neutralShe's the most chaotic character I think I've seen in a crpg. I fucking hate chaotic characters in a setting that wants me to take it serious.Never had a Witch in my party before, but I hope Ember can fill my caster needs. Otherwise I might get a respec mod.Started as war priest myself and hope they're alright later on. Felt like they're the closest to making some kind of Sigmar priest, so I specialized in Warhammers.
>>737063069Yeah, Monks are great. Scaled Fist is one of the best classes in the game. I like to mix it with a level in Magus so I can go into Dragon Disciple and get a boost to Strength.
>>737063661>I fucking hate chaotic characters in a setting that wants me to take it seriousSounds like you suffer from chronical lawtardism
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>>737063419>Best girl has been available consistentlyAnd other delusions the shills will tell you
>>737061093>>737062764I love Wenduag as much as the next guy, but it breaks my heart how she kills Dyra.
>>737064106>shillNever boughted an Owlcat game in my life I'm afraid, didn't buy the DLCs that gave us the best KM girls, or that let us impregnate best WotR girl, either
>>737063972If that would be the case, I would have picked Paladin, but being forced into an alignment is not really fun for a first playthrough in my opinion. Imagine having to snitch on that halfling who was looting from a corpse to his paladin buddy, only to then 10 seconds later loot that same body.I generally prefer neutral good/evil and pick depending on the situation.
>>737064134Yeah it's the worst thing about her romance. The two soldiers you learn later that they were talking shit behind your back which is why she killed them, but this is really inexcusable.
>>737064134I could have saved her bros
>>737064285>The two soldiers you learn later that they were talking shit behind your back which is why she killed themAlso inexcusable, this isn't worthy of murder
>>737064134Curiosity killed the cat.
>>737059573>Owlshart in any position to give a masterclass on romance writing
>>737063069It's doable with anything because mythics will carry your ass lategame.
>>737059573The trick is simple. just give a happy ending with your romance option where they fucked off into the woods and have tons of children
>>737064328Pussy
>>737059573TLDR
>>737063069in real path, monks are liquid shit and a joke class, maybe they're better in the video game idk
>>737064642Trvke
>this cannibalistic demon patsy that freely admits to loving murder, deceiving her family, killing people on a whim, and betraying everybody she knows because she's a backstabbing psycho is fine because I think she's cute :)Is the only way to justify picking Wenduag over Lann in RP, even if you're an evil character, saying that your character was thinking with their dick?anyways ember romance mod when
sex with Nurah Dendiwhar
>>737063572They monkey pawed people super bad with that one didnt they.
>>737064886>LannSorry, but I can't stand his jokes. My ears are literally bleeding.
>>737064886I think it could also be pretty simple to see that Lann's nativity would be a weakness when we're fighting demons.
>>737064886On my first playthrough, I picked Wenduag because I felt bad for her. It felt like Lann would be fine either way, but Wenduag needs someone to guide her.
>>737062046true to caesar
>>737063069They are great dodge tanks and all about that big damage dice. an enlarged monk deals like 4d10+str/dex and other mod in each attack while also being able to stun, heal, immunity to everything, spell resistance etc
>>737064886Uhhhhh she suffered a lot and I can fix her even though she showed zero remorse so there's no reason for me to assume I can fix her, and I had to screw over Lann by painting him as a tratior that abandoned his people and I also accepted her deal to turn the mongrels into crazy demon servants
>>737064642CORRECT.
Jesus fucking christ Owlcat YOU CANT just post something like this, HOLY SHIT
>>737065185Get this harlot out of my sight.
>>737065253No.
>romance>important>in CRPGs>"nuh-uh romance is serious business!"lol
>>737063469Name a single company that has done romance better this decade.
>>737065014I agree. My biggest gripe with WotR is that the game starts with the most dire stakes imaginable but your first several party members are quipping faggots with no sense of gravitas that or they're psychotic murderers. You can give them shit about it but it's still annoying. The conga line of Seelah, Lann, Woljif, Nenio, and sort of Daeran is only really broken up by Ember and Camcam. Ulbrig is borderline and DLC.I'd still say deliberately picking "cannibalistic, treacherous axe-murderer" over "annoying millennial that watched too much MCU" is hard to justify.>>737065019I feel like>betrays everybody at the drop of a hat and has already been willing to work with demons for poweris a bigger weakness when fighting demons.
>>737064642When are they going to update the twins' ending so you fill them both with babies?
>>737065390>and Camcam She is the same as everyone else, not taking anything seriously. One of her first scenes is her taking Minagho like a joke even though she could very easily kill everyone there
>>737065412the same time they add the best Martial class in the game which befits a king
>>737065014Thanks Lann, you're so awesome Lann :)
>>737065487That's true, I suppose. She does have quips, they're just overshadowed by her obviously being unhinged, and they're relatively subdued compared to everybody else in the party.
I dislike that these games always want you to specialize, I want to play as a Ranger who uses both bows and dual wield.
>>737059790She's beautiful?
>>737065668>2008>this decadeunc, you slippin'
>>737065734Oh yeah.... beautiful....
>>737065734Beauty, eye of the beholder etc.
>>737065692Play Pillars of Eternity then.
>>737065801I don't have any trouble sleeping right now
>>737065764She looks like she's made for the guy who gets a hard-on walking through the fresh produce section.
>>737065608Well that didn't go...well
>>737065858You asked. I answered.
>>737065692nothing stopping you from it.>but my number goes up featsif you have high str/dex and full bab class it legit doesn't matter than much
>>737065901thanks Pinhead
>>737065369She doesn't level drain anymore, here's the updated version (that's technically still incorrect because she doesn't heal either)
Romances in RPGs are most unnecessary and worst aspects of them. Waste of time and resources during production, ruining all discussions later as normalfags and horny teenagers can't talk about anything else but which virtual oussy would they plow. Disgusting. I'm sick of it.
>>737065764YikesHere's my sloppa Nyrissa
>>737059573>How we write our terrible cringe with the most annoying characters to ever be writtenI love the pathfinder games, but the characters are by far the worst aspects of the games.
>>737066067that looks even worse
I liked the Kingmaker crew more than the Wrath crew. I love all these character, yes even Linzi.
>>737060052Having a girlfriend costs so much time snd and money, it's fucking insane
halfling girls owe me sex
>>737066090>he Likes Valerie and oct/reg>he likes amiri >he likes boring dwarf point and laugh at this retard
>>737066204>>he likes amiri >>he likes boring dwarfThey're both good fuck you
>>737064886I metagamed, but didn't care, since it was like 30 minutes into the game (after hour long character creation). I thought his voice actor sucked big time. Immediately didn't like him and having to compete with to Amelia Tyler voicing Wenduag made the choice pretty fucking easy.
a success worthy of praise ;)
>>737066204Why bother laughing? Nothing matters in the end. Tis nothing but folly and arrogance.
>>737066229hahahahahahaha what a dork.
>>737066374Applause please!
>>737066090>yes even Linzi.She was my favourite character. I don't get the hate.
>>737066385I guess nothing mattered when i piped your mom last night.
>>737064328Dissenters on the front lines are not ignorable problems
>>737066204Amiri and the dwarf are fine?Valerie was fine too, but that might be because I didn't talk to her much and kind of tuned out whenever she did.I made her into my party tank, because I found it funny to assign someone who is so obviously preoccupied with their own appearance to the duty of letting enemies smack her repeatedly in the face.
>>737066476She spent my bag of holding investment fund on a printing press for her book about ethical government or whatever, the fucking bitch.
>>737066476People get mad that she steals from the treasury despite the fact that she helps take over the place, also no romance
>>737066090There's good and bad in both but I think I agree, overall. I only really hate Reg and Val in Kingmaker, because even Octavia's silliness is more tolerable when she's the only one really doing it.It's funny that in both games the gnome is inarguably the best party member, though. I have never had a bigger swerve on a party member going from "fuck this gnigga" to "ride-or-die for my homeboy" than Jubilost.
>>737059573don't you get tired of making these threads?
>There is only one alternative to this approach: to make a nice average waifu for everyone and for no one. It's a niche, really. It's better to have a default romanceable character like that, among other options. Otherwise, your player might end up in a situation where they think "Oh my god, I'm surrounded by crazy people, and I have no one to talk to." In fact, we had this situation early on during Wrath of the Righteous production. At some point we realized we had three female romanceable characters, and all three were cannibals. So we had to rewrite our characters urgently, removing all references to cannibalism from Arueshalae and somehow separating Camellia and Wenduag from this aspect, to make the difference between characters more obvious. As a result, Arueshalae was somewhat shifted toward the "average-pleasant" type, but fortunately, she didn’t become that type entirely.
>>737065412right after the amiri and argenta romances
>>737066596>book about ethical government>she abuses her position to steal from the treasury to write it
how is Gendarme+sable marine company? since flying attack is a charge and gendarme is all about charging and sable has a feat that gives you automatic crit at flying attack
I'm still mad you cannot fuck Amiri. Double barbarian unga bunga caveman romance where she realizes it's not bad at all to be together with a strong dude could've been awesome.
>parts of Stolen lands once belonged to a warlord who had a harem of dragonwives and ruled over Aldori >no dragon sorcereress companion what a missed oppurtunity
>>737066740>how is Gendarme+sable marine companyWay better than pure SMC from what i remember. Extremely good.
>no more Pathfinder gamesI NEED MY FAIRY AND GHOST GIRL ROMANCE
>>737066204Harrim's doomer posting was PEAK, every time that little nigga showed up and starting black pilling the party I'd laugh my ass off.
>>737066687they genuinely cannot stop themselves from writing evil women
>>737066797Imagine
>>737066928Imagine the smell of her unwashed hairy barbarian minge.
>>737066797>I'm still mad you cannot fuck AmiriYOU can't but those strong boiz from tavern can.
>>737066608I should also specify that I love to hate Val. I realize she's meant to be an insufferable, annoying cunt. So I don't consider her being irritating as a mark against the game, especially because you're meant to shit on her for bullying Linzi and being a narcissist that's pretending not to be a narcissist. Similarly to how I don't see Amiri as a GRRRRRRRL POWER character because she's intentionally parodying that and making fun of how stupid she is for acting that way (i.e. "PEOPLE SAY WOMEN DON'T NEED SMARTS AND THEY'RE RIGHT", telling her to shut the fuck up if she plays the sexism card at you in your first conversation, and her friends saying it's because she's a retard and not because she's a woman). The characters that are stupid assholes in Kingmaker are meant to be stupid assholes, which makes their stupidity endearing.Valerie is canonically less intelligent than Amiri, by the way.
>>737066928At least we'll get a stinky kroot GF with no holes soon
>>737065692Play a gestalt character and go on a power trip.
>>737066918Evil women are not the problem (although the fact that two of the three romance options are cartoon villains, while the only good one being a former cartoon villain, is certainly something)it's that they make crazy bitches, Kingamker didn't have this problem
I never hear anything about her romance. Is it so bad?
>>737059573The weirdest thing about wenduag I can think of is that I can't see any might makes right evil strong conqueror gengis khan type character being willing to entertain her sniveling and groveling immediately.And theres no reason for any good character to take her deal, even if they think they can fix her. She explicitly offers "I will make my entire tribe into a brainwashed cannibal army via demonic means" alongside her joining you and you can't just tell her no. And at the same time you tell lann to get the fuck away or you'll kill him. Its owlcat failing to write actual player choice and this failing is mostly confined to the opening of the game. Its just weird.
>>737065390>but your first several party members are quipping faggotsLann doesn't quip, he makes self deprecating jokesm he's serious most of the time. Daeren quips on purpose because he doesn't like most people. Nenio doesn't quip, she's reddit incarnate and is treated as an oddity by everyone.
>>737067172>and this failing is mostly confined to the opening of the gameShe still keeps killing people even after that, that's even worse
>>737059573My favorite was romancing Argent-oh wait. BASTARDS.
>>737066090The Twins are more than enough romance for me, why would I want to fuck anything else when they're so perfect?
Which country is the france of Pathfinder?
>>737059573Romance is like the last thing I play owlmeme games for. Almost every single one is complete dogshit to the point where I just outright ignore it every time I replay now. It's like they crowdsource all their romance plot lines from tumblr.
>>737067161>weird throuple bullshit with the lamest party member, who is an orc, and the second lamest party member, who is a white woman from SeattleI'm going to be entirely honest, I don't know anybody that would willingly do that romance. The only part of it I've heard people mention is that you can literally cuck a man to death. The tiefling twins were an entire DLC that seemed like an apology for the base game's female romances sucking.
>"yes, I'm interested in this romance" or "no, I'm not interested." We're often criticized for this, and people ask why the breakup phrases in our games are so blunt and rude. Well, unless you write it out loud and clear, some people won’t notice and then end up in bed with the character they don’t like, which would make them really offended.>click yes to accept gay sex>click no to avoid gay sexAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH HOW DID I END UP SUCKING HIS DIIIIIIIIIIIICK!?
>>737067504They're full of shit, these are the same people that had you continuing Lann's romance if you told him you're both good friends
>>737067082Gestalt is the ultimate power trip, and it feels natural in Wrath to be a Gestalt, Just limit it to your PC and its not even too broken.I did a Scaled Fist+ Eldrich Scion (Draconic bloodline) Gestalt and it was so much fun.
>>737063331You do actually get a bottle with alcohol that restores your ki
>>737067161No, it's not that bad, but the sale pitch is that she's in a poly relationship with an orc and that's a really dogshit premise for a romance
>>737067570Yeah i did the sameOracle + Sable Company Marine angel for an ultimate angel power fantasy with a griffin bro.Made him lame and powerless to justify having a griffin buddy to help him.
>>737067504Daeran had a fairly innocuous line that lead to his romance>>737067556That was a bug that I believe they've since fixed, the line that specifically said you wanted a romance also didn't lead to one
>>737059573Don't care, still romancing Camellia.
>>737067082>>737067570Does going Legend as a gestalt mean you get three classes or four?
>>737067556Somehow, I didn't end up fucking Lann, so...
>>737066001>Romances in RPGs are most unnecessary and worst aspects of them.Romances in RPGs are the most necessary and best aspects of them. The lack of romances is the most unrealistic thing that you can have in RPG unless your character is incel for plot reasons. Romances and sex are basic human needs even in fucking Warhammer universe where even ugly plebs from hive bottom are breeding nonstop. Just because you're incel (or maybe wife beater) who directly projects own incel personality into MC doesn't mean devs should downgrade the game for normal adventure enjoyers because of incels. And you still allowed to be an incel in those games. If anything by glad RPG games don't make fun of your 20-30 years old wifeless, childless, incel hero (in the fantasy world where even solders have 2 kids the moment they reach their 20s)
>>737065692I want to be a sorcerer that dual wields greatswords and the closest I can get is making a crossblooded sorcerer with a mythic third bloodline turn into a dragon disciple and use a scythe. Because sorcerer eldritch knight titan fighter doesn't work together at all.
>>737067414Galt
>>737067706Abso fucking lutely no idea anon, try it out, sounds fun.
>>737067504Well I mean I've had this happen to me in other games, never happened with Owlcat's games but I've had it happen in other because usually i want to maximize affinity in a non-romantic way with most of my companions and sometimes the game makes it hard to navigate that 'no-homo best bros for life' without accidentally triggering the romancce.Fucking BG3 was super guilty of this shit, everyone in that game wants to immediately ride your dick and that fucking wizard guy who basically turns a friendly moment into gay sex if you agree to practice magic with him.
>>737067681I think all daeran romance lines are pretty obvious. You can bluntly tell him no at any point and most other lines can be seen as entertaining his playboy flirting.
>>737067414
>>737066001Most options in an rpg are "unnecessary" but options is what makes a crpg funSome people enjoy romances, even if they are not written like great literary classics, and the more options they get the better
>>737067570For me it was Tortured crusader+crusader. being a battle hardened soldier turned into a angel TDD murder machine with a Succubus gf is pure kino
>>737062361>HUG AIVUI'd rather a Terendelev.
>>737059573Nothing worse than unremarkable writers wanking themselves off giving advice about how to write (i.e. doing a Brandon Sanderson)
>>737067504>click yes to accept gay sex>click no to avoid gay sexI remember sucking dick in tavern by incident in Dragon Age 2 because I can't read. But I swear the wording was weird on purpose to make you suck dick!
>>737065949Sex with my daughter
>>737066001Romances make absolute sense in what's essentially a fantasy adventure story. It's literally one of the best genres for it.It all depends on how you implement them.
>>737067925
>>737067993>noooo you can't give advices unless you have official approval from pseuds! Lol.
>>737067706Yes. in my legend playthrough i once decided to experiment and did a fighter+genderme+paladin+slayer. Legend is already OP but having four classes felt like i want too overboard
>>737068032I remember when the worst example of romance in games was dragon age 2 because every character was bisexual and anders got extremely pissy when you rejected him.
>>737061093she broke up with me because I called her out for being a weak bitch in alushynirra lol. lady can dish it but can’t take it
>>737068072This, the synthesis of a fantasy adventure is that you slay a dragon and get the princessObviously the princess is not "required" but it does enhance the fantasy
>>737067901Most are obvious but he has a lot for starting them
>>737059573>owlcuck trannies write a leftisft meme just to say they are closet homosexuals into cuckoldryYou sad morons deserve the garbage you pay for
>>737068284Cuckoldry is noble fetish.
>>737059573I'm ready for a poor justification why they've only had one decent romance in 10 years.
>>737068359I love Cassia too anon!
>>737066001Bro, Icewind Dale was 25 years ago, let it go, YOU LOST. Modern CRPGs are glorified visual novels where people get to ship characters and build up to PG-13 sex scenes and then yap endlessly online about who ranks as the best girl and we're never going back.Black Isle lost, Bioware Won, Obsidian LOST, Larian and Owlcat WON
>>737068423fileting this fish
>>737067783>Romances and sex are basic human needsComplete bullshit, so much bullshit I don't even know what to say. Are you fucking 15 that you cannot see female without wanting to get your dick wet? Holy shit, I might be a "wizard" but I'm honestly sickened of all you horny fags.
>>737065317Josh "It's only okay if it's gay" Sawyer
>>737068426>Icewind DaleBut it is faceless dungeon crawler.
>>737068083Pathfinder also have tons of rape. like hobogoblins & half-orc origins, demons who rapes everything and forces the girls to give birth to the half demon, monster girls who seduces man and plant eggs in their corpses, hellraiser realm etc. i know it's a kitchen sink setting but it's one of the decent one imo
>>737068474with no survivors
>>737065949I would have Arue pregnant 24/7
>>737068523He never said that.
>>737063069Wrath is already dragged down by its combat, but not being able to fully respec companions hurts it even more. So many options and you’re stuck with only being able to really play with your MC. Or make mercs, but they take away from content the actual companions have.
>>737068546Yes.
>>737067783I'd rather have a group of 6 professional motherfuckers who don't want to bump uglies tackling the dungeon than a bunch of emotionally fragile and romantically available retards shitting where they eat. If they want to fuck do it on your own time, you're professionals, you have a job to do, I'm here to kill goblins and collect gold. Now Rothnkar stop making goo-goo eyes at the sorceress and get your damn head in the game, Onlan has 4 hit points left and he needs that cure light wounds scroll NOW.
>>737068423Oh there is one with her clothes on, so surely there must be a third one...
>>737068543Aka the best RPG format. Pure gameplay, no bullshit with romances or premade characters and their worthless stories. Holy shit, I couldn't bear having to actually listen to these little shits. In both Pathfinder games I make fully custom party and include premades only one at time to do their personal quest - and then dump them back to garbage bin where they belong.
>>737068515>Romances and sex are basic human needs>complete bullshitThe species literally dies without sexDenying sex and romance as an essential component of human life and thus storytelling is like arguing that the sky is green
>>737067925>>737068083>just steal the entire global history of fiction and use it for your setting, sometimes unaltered>do not be afraid to write evil, crimes, and other heinous immoral actions into the loreUnironically a good way to make a setting where anything can happen and anyone can go on an adventure cause theres infinite problems to tackle.
>>737068515You shouldn't have chopped off your dick if you were going to seethe about normal peoples healthy sex drive 24//, tranny
>>737059573>Companions’ alignments should be balanced. Any player, whatever moral convictions they’d love to roleplay, should be able to gather the whole party and not be left alone.If you aren't RPing a psycho or idiot you'd kill/kick half of the wrath companions out.
>>737065949Owlcat literally saw that meme and made it real and canon. I give them credit for that, no other company gives gamers what they want like Owlcat.
>anti-romance codextranny having a meltie, again
>>737068642God damn furries
>>737059573holy shit i am NOT reading all of this, 99% of their romances are trash
>>737068767...but enough about Josh Sawyer
>>737068734My dick is still intact, you homo obsessed faggot. It simply didn't replace my brain, you room temperature IQ retard.>>737068721>species dies without sexGood.
>>737068515>so much bullshit I don't even know what to sayBecause you're angry incel.>Are you fucking 15 that you cannot see female without wanting to get your dick wet?I'm not a character of RPG game, incel and you should stop projecting your incel persona on video games.
>>737068543It was a dungeon crawler with a story, there's a big difference between it and the Bard's Tale.
>>737068647I prefer "reluctant heroes with party members via circumstance" to "group of professionals who actively went seeking a hard life and keep coworker distant from each other"
>>737068898>incel, incel, have sex!Don't you have some club to get drunk at, normalfag?
>>737068543Icewind Dale was the last game that didn't kowtow to romance slop. Its still a great game with a great story.
>>737068857Sure, whatever you say, tranny
>>737068719>Aka the best RPG formatYou mean the worst? Just soulless grinfest with zero RPG.
>>737068647>professionalWe found the greybor fan guys. this guy probably plays a evil character and calls himself neutral.
>>737068998Simply business, anon
>>737068898>incelsure you're not a tranny, sure
>>737068952>acts like an incel>upsets when called out???Are you telling be you're not incel? Again read >>737067783If you don't want romances in Role Playing Game you're incel. This is just a fact. Your character is literal incel.
>>737067161No, Octavia's romance is quite interesting, especially since it's the only one where you HAVE to call her out on her bullshit to get a good outcome.>>737067462>>737067619You're both retards. The actual poly relationship is actually the hardest romance to get out of all Owlcat Games.Regongar and Octavia share next to no dialogue/events where you can gain points with both. So in order to get them into a throuple you either have to play with a walkthrough constantly open OR play as the most unhinged Chaotic Neutral lunatic in existence, in one minute crying over the poor fate of some captured kobold while in the next torturing a man to death for fun.You also have to make Octavia a WORSE person, switch her into Chaotic Neutral, and actively encourage her darker, more degenerate instincts.
>>737068618You did, Josh. You did.
>>737060487It's the eyes dudeSay want you want about Larian, they knew how to make soul-mirroring beautiful eyes
>>737068968>Its still a great game with a great story.It is not a great game with a great story at all. It is RTWPslop without characters with dogshit 2nd edition ruleset.
>>737068804When Owlcat speaks: you listen.
>hates demon>marries demonWhy are angelic man like this?
>>737068647>I'd rather have a group of 6 professional motherfuckersBut you can hire mercs and replace all characters with hardboiled chuds.>>737068998But even Greybor had wife and kid.
>>737065317was he right /v/ ? Please discuss in groups of 5
It's done, for the anons who askedhttps://litter.catbox.moe/tw8f5ynxpkbvez2c.png
>>737067414literally Mendev. it even has a joan of arc leading them but wayyy fucking worse in every way
>>737069363I will never forgive Owlcat for not including the "you met her as a child" tabletop background.
>>737069152You retard, I said the romance is good but the PITCH is poly, which puts people offI agree, it's intentionally written as a bad thing and a result of them being slaves, but obviously when you meet her and she has an orc boyfriend (who is also gay for you) you are immediately put off
>>737060487I prefer Minty
>>737065317>>737069397Why is he so ashamed to write a romance?
>>737069403How many levels did he lose here
>>737060487She is the only good choice even tho you can't get her preggo
>>737069397He is. Josh has even addressed multiple times (he likely lurked here when anons discussed how wordy and boring Pillars is even from the get-go in the chargen screen) is that he was so invested in making the player be immersed like they would be when reading the D&D manuals and splatbooks. He later came to the realization that it was an oversight in his part to give the player that instrinsic tabletop experience and translate it into the hands of the average CRPG enjoyer, let alone video games. He literally filtered an entire audience.
>>737069568he's a bitter faggot
>>737069568They keywords are "ego stroking" which is exactly what romance is, you can tell he hates that, so he hates romanceEven uses the retarded "uhhhh muh fade to black" argument that only people who have only played Mass Effect useFor people like him anything that panders to the player is bad, it's that simple
>>737069568That's not the point. His point is that romance in an RPG is not actually a primary component. It's tertiary If it is, your story needs to revolve around ti heavily or it's simply too shallow or not worth doing lest is just devovles into VN romance route shite. Josh is emphasizing the peak of courtly love that is found in epic poems and chivalric stories which fits the fantasy motif than the "realism" part of it.
>>737065317>Romance bad>writes a not one but two gay romance that doesn't involve the player>gives one of the girls a bad end if you romance her but gives her a happy one if you didn't interact with her where she becomes a lesbo \>also has a gay fish romance voiced by Garrus in Awoved. same game where you can't even fuck whores or even fuck the black girl He is gay isn't he
>>737069152The poly thing being hard to do doesn't change that it's a throuple and that the setup puts people off, which is what I said. Even if you only romance one of them, it's still a throuple because they're with the other until the end of the game. Which puts off most people. The rest of what you're saying is just more reason why it's off-putting for most people.
>>737069835Josh was only a consultant by the time of Avowed. He hasn't been heavily involved in the Pillars series since Deadfire and got severely burnt out by the end of it.
>>737069585It's okay, he had death ward
>>737059573Didn't read. Jimmy exists so they're doing something right I guess. Total Jimmy Perfection!
>>737069585He is the commander of the fifth crusade. e will just fort tank it
>>737069770Too shallow and tertiary components don't make sense. Side quests are shallow too. If anything linear movie game is the best way to experience story without shallow components.
>>737069669Romance should not have a victory nor loss state. That's the gist of Josh's take and if you add a romance for a character, suddenly everyone wants to have a "romance route" with other characters and bemoans the game for having none. This "player-priority" then shifts to romanceable rather than the story itself. It is safe to say that Josh has a dislike of shipperfaggotry rather than romance. You will never understad it unless you've read a lot of novels/games already and see that romance is often very trite and "ego-stroking" than it isn't.
>>737069146Look, baby knows a word and now keep saying it. How cute.
>>737069462>>737069862The set-up isn't for that of a throuple, but a "friends with benefits" situation. Furthermore, if you go heavily after one rather than the other, their relationship breaks down much sooner.I wish people who actually played the game partook in those discussions, rather than regurgitating the same walkthroughs that copy off of one another.
>>737069374>But you can hire mercs and replace all characters with hardboiled chuds.Don't mind if I do.
>>737069461Sorry bro, backgrounds are only a thing in Rogue Trader
>>737069770You are a fag, Josh
>>737070016
>>737069363Jesus didn't surround himself with the pious, but those who needed him.
>>737070167The sidequests serve the story via ludonarrative. Romance in CRPGs is completely player-centric, often relegated to a sub-quest of a subquest, hence it gave birth to the idea of companions being strictly playersexual because they want to "win" at relationships.
>>737069862Nothing wrong with a throuple if it closed. For me, what turned me off of Octavia was the “I’m totally fine with being a slut who will slew with a man at the drop of a dime.” I know it’s an intentional character flaw but…this was generally much better handled by the twins.
>>737070270Romance is not an RPG.
>>737067082I just wish you could play a synthesis summoner. Synth summoner, Paladin gestalt is the shit
>>737070316Companions are playersexual to avoid controversy and complaining over a character being shut off from them due to sexuality. And this isn’t just fags: imagine if Cassia or Arue were lesbians, a bunch of people would be pissed. Better to just let people have what they want even if the writing implies a sexuality (for example, Gale in BG3 is very obviously straight and his romance is written for female characters, but he’s playersexual anyway, and no gay complained about that.)
>>737070536Why are you bringing up Cassia when she's straight?
>>737070569>imagine if
>>737070585You're talking about playersexuality to avoid controversy, plenty of dykes and trannies want Cassia to be a lesbian romance option but she isn't
>>737070536>Companions are playersexual to avoid controversy and complaining over a character being shut off from them due to sexualityDo you not see why you just proved my point counteractively? Logically, romance cannot be done justice in a setting like a cRPG unless it's woven into the structure of the story itself, rather than some tacked on route where you can pick at like a new weapon build you want to try. Besides shipfaggotry, romance is inherently inimical and personal to being gamified to such a degree. Most players can't handle rejection in a video games because they see it as a loss-state in the "relationship game" part of the game.
>>737070495I want to make a summoner drunken monk.
>>737070630God I miss back when every tranny and faggot seethed over Cassandra being straight
>>737066675I wanted to talk about the Owlcat post, not argue about who is the best waifu again (and why it's Wenduag).
>/v/ - Vidya Romance ExpertsEveryday we become more and more like the codex.
>>737070630Warhammer barely has characters and plot to begin with, why on earth would it of all settings contain romance.
>>737070304Something Theodora would undoubtfuly do
>>737070193>no argumentsNo anon, of course you're not an incel. That's why you're so upset about romances and sex in RPG. Your 30 years old John Kingmaker, The Savior of Golarion just doesn't like womin. It's not incel projection of some chud.
>>737070778Retard
>>737070196I've played the game but I haven't done the romance because, like I said, I was put off by it being a throuple (on my first playthrough) and because I don't really like either character (on subsequent). Like most people. My entire point and literally all I said was that it was a throuple (which it is) and that it puts people off romancing either (which it does). Just because you can make them break up doesn't mean that it doesn't start as a throuple. You're jumping at a strawman because I said two things that are completely factual and correctly identify why nobody talks about Octavia's romance.
>>737070630The people who complain about player sexuality are vastly outnumbered by the people who complain about strict sexualities.See the seething from gay men on RT’s release. And now imagine the outrage if a female romance was lesbian only.
>>737070196>but a "friends with benefits" situationEven worse >So yeah, pursue the romance with this girl who is fucking an orc and says she wants a fwbNot a great pitch at all anonI played her romance, I think Octavia is a good character (I kinda detest Regongar) but she's a hard pill to swallow and I can't blame anyone who got put off by her especially since Valerie is right there
>>737070690I can’t see why, if combat and character progression is perfectly acceptable to be gamified, that romance isn’t allowed a similar treatment? You seem to take a “romance MUST be done this way in games” stance.
>>737070817>Just because you can make them break upYou don't have to, if you don't intervene into their relationship in any way they still break up. It's clear from very early on their relationship is built on shared trauma and is doomed to failure without intervention, since the two have nothing else in common and disagree on almost everything else.
Romance is so deeply personal to every individual, you can't really gamify it like you would the mechanics of an RPG. Lest that's your goal but don't call it "high brow" or stand on a pedestal of "mediocre or nothing" when ultimately the premise from the get-go is already to gamify it. Justify it all you want, it's not gonna make it "more serious" no matter how many lurid sex scenes and *blushes shyly* you put in the game.
>>737070837The answer was always>make a character that is capable of romancing the character you want toBut that became taboo when they stopped pretending trannies wanted to be the opposite sex instead of wanting to be trannies.
>>737069374I think the sorts of conflict/interactions I'd like to have with my companions is Dulofn thinks we should wait until the Ogres are sleep before we force our way through the pass, While Trandgir suggests attacking now while before they can get reinforcements, but Fendaliv thinks we should just avoid the conflict all together by sneaking past by using the old goat paths. Not Oh man I want to bang Dulofn but that'll ruin my relationship with Fendaliv, and Tandgir will get so jealous because he has feeling for Fendaliv too! That shit is super gay I don't give a fuck.
>>737070972Octavia and Regongar remain together and if you turn Reg CN their relationship improves, even
>>737069397>Virgin Sawyer - insecure failed RPG writer>Chad Jordan - American Tolkien, bachelor of science, war veteran and survivor of helicopter crashLMAO
>>737070867>>So yeah, pursue the romance with this girl who is fucking an orc and says she wants a fwb>Not a great pitch at all anonIf you expect a conservative trad-wife out of a traumatised slave that had to prostitute herself and was repeatedly raped by her masters, you can only fault yourself.>>737071052>Octavia and Regongar remain togetherNot if you do nothing.>and if you turn Reg CN their relationship improves, evenYeah, that's why I said "if you don't intervene."
>know Ulbrig for all of 20 minutes and only talk to him like 2 or 3 times>to start his romance, you need to go up to him while he's drunk>*put your hand on his face* "Don't be sad.... what if there's someone very close to you that needs that big dick?Yeah masterclass writing Owlcat.
>>737071160Turning Regongar into a better person has nothing to do with intervining with their relationship, not to mention that if he remains CE then he becomes a retarded drunkard while Octavia thrives but they're still in a relationship
>>737071052The Regongar/Octavia subplot was painful to go through even if you don't romance any of the two, just having to hear them argue and see Regongar get friendzoned like a good little kek. Would've been improved tenfold if you could tell Regongar to quit being such a little bitch and let him stop simping by finding another piece of ass or something.
>>737071026lmao as if /v/ would make a female MC to romance someone instead of spending the next 5 years passive agressively bitching about it
>>737070943I'm standing on the point of narrative and gameplay. Narratively, the only way for an actual fulfillable romance should be woven into the main story. Like the age-old stories of chivlaric knights who either lose their path or gain victory from it. This romance is given its due. Gameplay-wise, there really shouldn't be any lest you just devolve it into baseline shipfaggotry. I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying that gamifying romance defeats romance. That's how I see it. This is no longer about how Josh may see it unless he's here in the thread to explain himself.
>>737070995Well I am not Owlcat. I’m fine with things like Japanese dating simulators. I’m not offended by them.
>>737070805There is no need for arguments when you are just thinking with your cock and try to insult me in only way you can, by talking about lack of sex. Because that's the only value your tiny, horny mind can comprehend.
>>737071215I only ever tried the Garrus and Alistair romances and thats because they were literally me.
>>737071251And that's fine for you. Just don't pretend or justify it like what Owlcat is trying to do in their post like it's somehow "doing it right" when they're simply doing it as would any other dating sim would, albeit stretched even longer and even more impersonal.
>>737070995>Romance is so deeply personal to every individual,And moral decisions you make in RPG are not deep and personal at all. Character interactions are not personal to every individual at all. >high browPseud buzzword.
>>737070304Just checking to see there are no mutations on you, haha. Praise the Emperor
>>737071332I like the Thane romance for the tragedykino
>>737071390Owlcat is the one stating in their post that they're doing "romance" right and they don't want it to be "low-brow". I'd rather they just drop the pretense and say they want the game to have dating sim elements and actually take from many Japanese titles that have leaned into that more deeply rather than treading on shallow waters and calling it swimming.
>>737071160>If you expectThis has nothing to do with expectation, anon asked why nobody talks about octavia and I answered truthfully: her premise is off putting to many players
>>737071365Fair enough
>>737070972That's completely irrelevant to my point, and I was just responding to the statement that it's fine that it's a throuple because pursuing one makes them break up. And my response is that it doesn't matter because it's retroactively solving a problem that put people off in the first place. Which they would only know about if they read a romance guide or something for a romance they weren't interested in.>>737071160>If you expect a conservative trad-wife out of a traumatised slave that had to prostitute herself and was repeatedly raped by her masters, you can only fault yourself.People aren't, but they're also not doing the romance. I don't see what your hang-up is when this entire discussion is.>hey why do people not do Octavia's romance?>she doesn't appeal to them because of X and YAnd somebody (I assume you) getting irritated at that and making a bunch of irrelevant statements that don't disprove that, yeah, she doesn't appeal to most people. Which you're tacitly admitting by saying that we can only fault ourselves for not finding her core character appealing, even beyond her romance.
>>737071182To be fair, that is how women and gay men start romances.
>>737071332How’s the Javik romance? I’d love a renegade alien romance but I could never give myself to abandon Garrus.
>>737071629Non existent
>>737066687>what do we do with this character now that she doesnt eat babies? ugh shes too PLEASANT nowOwlcat is a joke man
>>737071258>still no arguments >immideadly talks about cocksIf wanting something natural in rpg is "thinking with your cock", I can only imagine what you use to think about murder and all evil deeds you do in rpg. Did you kill anyone yet, incelbro?
>>737071445Thane seems kino until you realize that he can start reminiscing about his wife at random moments including when you're having sex
>>737071629It requires many correct choices to inply a one night stand in the citadel dlc.You can also make liara steal his dna instead of yours and make beef mclargehuge have sex with Ashley.
>>737071160>If you expect a conservative trad-wife out of a traumatised slave that had to prostitute herself and was repeatedly raped by her masters, you can only fault yourself.This is inherently part of why romance is a double-edged sword to gamify into a CRPG. That anon is not wrong to want that, the premise is inherently "ego-stroking" to begin with. The only arbitrary reason as to why developers like Owlcat or most other CRPG devs don't is because their idea of romance is arbitrarily rooted in their idea of what romance is, in that by somehow making it "realistic" it's more """""romance"""""" than doing something like your average nukige would. It's completely arbitrary and pandering.
>>737071482>I'd rather they just drop the pretense and say they want the game to have dating sim elements and actually take from many Japanese titles that have leaned into that more deeply rather than treading on shallow waters and calling it swimming.I do want more character reactivity across all party members for sure.
>>737071845To be more pandering, yes.
>>737071827I do think western devs need to learn a sense of “moe”. https://youtu.be/TT2GRpwwS8M?si=OW4KMEYdsRxwk80PEmbrace the cringe, as they say.
>>737071845>take from many Japanese titles that have leaned into that more deeplyIt this a joke? Romances in J"""RPG"""s are a complete joke and an afterthought. To give a recent example, each game in Persona 5 gets about 5 minutes of actual romantic content of any kind.
>>737071756Shitting is also natural. Why don't you want detailed shitting mechanics in your RPGs then?
>>737071827>ego-strokingBeing the main hero is already ego-stroking. Unless you don't let MC to be powerful, beat the game and solve quests. Josh, step up your game. Save Pillars
>>737071982each girl*
>>737072031It's always romance that makes them pissy, these people legit play angel and are fine with the power fantasy, but the instant you want to stick your dick inside a pussy they have a meltdown
>>737071805>>737071656Well that sucks.Kinda reminds me of BG3, if you want a monster romance you only get one scene with him and it’s at the end of the game and to be any further with him requires you to make a ton of terrible choices and he ditches you at the epilogue.
>>737071935That's my point. But people think it's "too pandering" which is why they look down on it.>>737071982The point was to pander to the player. The premise is literally the same. You're faulting it on arbitrary reasons beyond it like how "this shouldn't be that because this doesn't work in real life!" or "that's not how a man/woman would react in real life!" when that is entirely the rule when they've gamified romance already. In some way, your shitty Persona romance routes understands the spirit more than your average CRPG romance writer.
>>737071935Arue is literally super fucking moe
AI TLDR Summary for those that dont wanna read all that shitTechnical ProcessCompanions are planned early in a roster balancing alignments, classes, factions, and game mechanics. Romance types are assigned (e.g., Arueshalae = “shy girl”, Daeran = “charismatic bitch”). Romances are designed late — after core character stories — so they fit naturally like “ivy on a fence.”Romance structure includes:Unlocks: First moment of interest (not always flirting).Events: Mandatory (guaranteed key scenes, e.g. Daeran’s rose-filled hall) + Optional (rewards for exploration, e.g. waterfall scene).Resolution, Farewell, and Jealousy (ultimatum if romancing multiple).Artistic ApproachWriting love is inherently “cringy” — writers must embrace vulnerability. Romances target specific tastes rather than generic appeal. Characters get a strong “first floor” (personal quest) and a “secret floor” in romance that reveals hidden depths without breaking consistency.Examples:Octavia & Regongar: Surface couple with slavery trauma; romance exposes emotional immaturity and fears.Arueshalae: Redeemed succubus discovering human emotions and dreams for the first time.Nyrissa (secret villain romance): High-stakes “true love” requiring understanding her agency.Player Interaction & RoutesRomances use choice-heavy dialogue. Common structure: 1+2+1Fail route (clear mistakes)Two equal main dynamics“True Love” route (deepest, most complex ending)Polyamory is limited due to massive combinatorial complexity. Owlcat prefers quality over shallow implementation.Intimacy Techniques“Fireplace” fade-to-black (implication over explicit)Vivid sensory close-ups (e.g. Arueshalae’s “hot, dry palms”)Overall, Owlcat builds full characters first, then layers interactive, choice-driven romances that feel personal and earned. This creates the vibrant relationships players love.
>>737064642>marrying a ultra mega whore
>>737071935Depicting moe is more difficult in emglish but I don't know why. I don't think its the fact that its equally cringe in japanese but it just feels more unnatural in the english language.
>>737072190True but they could have gone further. Also I think visual design is a big problem. Not saying they have to go full anime but…owlcat artists are pretty bad, even when they’re not trying to be attractive. Just look at the pathfinder or RT models. They make very ugly games. Expanse seems to be an exception but even that is just more generically acceptable than anything.
>>737072217Who did you romance?
>>737072217>being literally reborn by the work of a goddess doesn't count!!!!!
>>737072217It only works because a god told you to for womanly reasons and you can still say no.
>>737071482>want the game to have dating sim elements and actually take from many Japanese titlesWell, RT already had a beach episode only instead of the beach it's commoragh, and instead of cocktails it's blood and tears
>>737072031>being a heroic figure is already ego-strokingOnly ludonarratively and a necessity for a game to be played and explored. The player is an "agent" to explore and interact with the world rather than someone that possesses personhood, it's why virtually all PCs are somewhat autistic.
>>737072173western devs still have lingering insecurity over wanting to be seen as “mature” “real art” back during the sixth gen or so. this will only really go away once Gen X is fully replaced in game dev which won’t be for awhile
>>737072296Yeah because a goddess of whores and trannies would care about virginity
>>737072027>comparing romance (talking with your companions and roleplay) in rpg to shitting as some sort tog gotcha moment Incels, ladies and gentlemen. This is what lack of sex and love does to zoomers and wife beaters. Is this your fetish too? No, don't answer.
>>737071827The 'realism' is arbitrary because you can argue that a traumatized slavegirl that experienced serial rape also shouldn't be making silly jokes about sausages and shit. Octavia's personality does not embody somebody that's harrowed and broken by their traumatic experiences. And that's fine. Not everybody will come out the other end the same way. But it's kind of silly to argue realism on it.And I know the counter is>some people cope with trauama by using humorWhich is true. And some people cope with serial rape by trying to basically become trad-wives to distance themselves from it. It's fine to prefer her how it is, but it's just silly to go "You don't appreciate realism" to people that either don't care for her character or don't find her appealing as a romance candidate, which is all the discussion was.
>>737072325Cassia is their most pandering romance to date, interestingly enough. I guess they thought the mutant and tragic love angle was enough to “balance” it in their eyes.
>still cant marry Ember>b-b-but thats immoral...dont give a fuck. Im the Knight Commander I can do whatever the fuck I want
>>737072289Greybore in my heart.
>>737072487>Cassia is their most pandering romance to date,
>>737069262Icewind Dale is the perfect RPG.
>>737072520>wants to raise his husband's daughterGrim
Canon KC is>Aasimar >Female >Bard >Chaotic Good >Azata >Romance Arue >Ascension ending >Impregnated with twins
>>737072387In this manner, Japan understands the spirit of games is to make the character feel good so they understand that it must pander to the player.>>737072447You're arguing causality based on real-world psychologies. I am arguing that doesn't matter for video game romances because we're both already standing on "pandering territory". See how Rance games treats romances and exegetically take it apart it in comparison to maybe WotR's romances.>but that's pornDoesn't matter either. You either "ego-stroke" with romance or you don't. "Badly written romance" only applies to works where the romance written isn't mean to be treated like a game.
>>737072607Fixed your shitty headcanon dyketranny
>>737072671Holy based. Expect intense samefagging from him.
>>737072601The purest form of love.
>>737072336>ludonarratively Holy fuck Josh is genius.He finally solved the romance problem in video game.How does he do it?
>>737072528Too edgy for most. She has her place though. And tbf it is a 40k game.
>>737072487>Cassia is their most pandering romance to dateNot when kebab exists. She literally doesn't have any personality outside of being your cumdump. Cassia actually has goals and interests that do not revolve around you
>>737072754It itself isn't the problem. The problem is actually more about people thinking and demanding it to be in every CRPGs like it's a core component. That's my thesis on the matter.
>>737072393>sinful chaotic evil mortal souls turn into worms in the abyss>cannibalize each other and coalesce into a real demon>demon wants to know what a dream is because literally incapable>trapped in dream realm by dream goddess>dream goddess wakes up the echoes of former mortality >demon suddenly grows conscience>decides it sucks to be a demon because demonkind is entirely victim and victimizer no matter what form that takes>can't ask for miracles so just does her best to resist urge to kill for the rest of time>until demigod comes along and strongarms her into a relationship where she transforms back into a mortal because the goddess ships themThe nature of her soul and existence is changed but she still has memories of murderfucking for 1000s of years. Is this more or less redeemed than a whore that converts to christianity because nobody will marry her? You decide. But the nature of fiction says happily ever after in this case.
>>737072671Think you meant Big Legend Cock, friendo.
>>737072393Whether she cares or not is irrelevant, it was just an unintentional side effect then
>>737072387>western devs still have lingering insecurity over wanting to be seen as “mature” “real art” back during the sixth gen or soFunny how romance and sex in the books and movies are so common and nothing special. Even in pseud core.
I think Sebille has a good romance.
>>737072770She really isn't that edgy, and is extremely popular. She's not Camellia, her romance is way more cutesy and sensible that you would imagine with those looks she has
>>737072806>She literally doesn't have any personality outsideKebab is pandering, but not this stupid argument againYes, the point of her character is that she suppresses hersefl because of the cult, which she starts doubting and this sends her in a crisisShe has a personality, it's subtle because the whole point is that she is suppressing her feelings because of her cultShe's pandering because she sees you as a god, not because of her arc.
>>737059573Do they talk about their weird compulsion to never allow us to romance cute elf girls?>No cute elf romance in Kingmaker>Couldn't romance Ember in Wrath>Yrliet>Lmao>Dark Heresy already looking like it will disappointUntil we get a cute elf girl romance the shizo post will remain correct, and I will be pirating all of Owlcucks games.
>>737072920The rest of the writing in that game is terrible so I can't imagine the romances being any different unless that's what they put all the effort towards
>>737072860It's better because she is not settling down and faking it like 30 year old women with no other options, she could keep being a hot demon forever, she genuinely realized its wrong and doesn't want to continue.It's definetly a lot better, she's genuine about it.
>>737072920Sell me on it. I have a hard time not choking her on a spot after the terrible introduction.
>>737073028There is a cute girl elf romance but you won't like the answer
>>737072904Video games are an interactive medium. It's inherently necessarily self-gratifying rather than films or books where you're merely an observer, rather than an active agent, through a series of events to grasp the meaning of it.
>>737073139The only one is Yrliet and he already mentioned
>>737072847>The problem is actually more about people thinking and demanding it to be in every CRPGs like it's a core component. That's my thesis on the matter.If this is not core component why is player character allowed to ask his companions about their private lives but companions are not allowed to do the same? Ludo? "Pandering" I like is ludo and core component but pandering I dislike is disgusting non-ludo ego-stroking?
>>737073139Camellia is a half-elf. I want to make a half-elf not marry one.
>>737072920Based. She's way better than Lohse.
>>737059573Pseud shit by pseud writers
>>737073169This is nonsense. I'm observer in video game. I roleplay different characters. All my interactions are set in stones by devs. I'm just experience same book with different outcomes that were written by devs as part of the "book".
>>737073189Think about it like this then:Good Romance = does something I (the player) likeBad Romance = does something I (the player) don't likeThese are the metrics on what makes a romance fulfilling in a CRPG because it's inherently about getting the "good" choice rather than the "bad" choice. Ergo, the only way to write romance in a game is to have it do what the player likes, to ego-stroke. You are able to ask about the private lives of the characters because it's meant to construct the world as a living one with peoples possessing personhood beyond the player. To play a CRPG where companions are completely closed off and firmly guarded against you would not be gratifying for the player.
>>737072920>>737073128NTA and I was in the same boat regarding the AWFUL intro to her character. I started the game like six times and killed her the first five times. The sixth go was the one I stuck with and I decided to spare her, even though it's really hard to justify not killing her on any character with sense. Over the course of the game she became my favorite follower. It had a kind of charming dynamic of her obviously wanting to be a better person that regrets the bad shit she's done, but not wanting to be bound by being a soulless automaton for the elves to latch onto. I wouldn't say it's the best romance ever, but it's nice. It worked nicely for my particular dude because I was going with an "Everybody deserves a second chance" character that was an evil warrior before the game but had a change of heart with the shipwreck (and wanted to give other people a second lease on life). So it was a nice fit with her redemption arc.
>>737072964>She has a personality"Notice me senpai" is not a personality
>>737072920The DOS 2 romances are ruined by David Attenborough narrating the scenes
>>737073387Only narratively. The mode of which you engage the story or the work itself is through its gameplay. Answer this though experiment: A film you watch pauses at random intervals that you yourself have to manually press play to continue playing, is the film now a video game?
>>737065692Just play on easy and ignore all the shitty game design
>>737073287I do think Lohse is a good character. She’s the quippy quirky girl who’s somehow not annoying. But it is weird that she leaves you at the end.
>>73707049520 Synthesis Summoner / 19 Paladin 1 Scaled Fist Name a stronger Gestalt build, I dare you
>>737072860>that converts to christianity because nobody will marry her?If she wanted to she could very easily find herself anyone because she's an 11/10 in-universe, you're too mindbroken by irl roasties
>>737073629>But it is weird that she leaves you at the endCeritifed sawyer kino
>>737065923This. You don't need the +1 attack from weapon focus on a specific weapon type when in endgame you are rolling for attack with a +69 because of all the other buffs, equipment, items and shit.The most annoying thing is that switching between weapons is a move action instead of a swift action but there are mods for that.
>>737070316Romance can very easily serve the story, are you retarded? Look at how Dragon Age Origins handles romance and further more having a childIt's able to affect the ultimate outcome of the darkspawn threat
>RoleplayingSorry, but the trve roleplaying is only possible in tabletop. What you have is a railroading GM telling you what you can/cannot do, and it will never go beyond that.
>>737067027>with no holesH-how do they reproduce, then? Parthenogenesis? Mitosis?Jesus fuck do they shit through their skin or something?
>>737065692you can in a much better game that is BG3. You only really touch owlslop if you have a massive crpg craving
>>737073864Kroot reproduce through a unique biological process involving specialized skin pores and regurgitation, often described as a "back rub" exchange. Male Kroot secrete genetic material from their palms, which is applied to the female's back, where it is absorbed. The infant grows within a specialized stomach-womb, with the mother finally vomiting the fully developed young.
Before I read, is this person a tranny or jew or feminist? Whats their stance on censorship? Do they believe in the "holocaust"?
western games shouldn't have romance because western devs insist on writing them wrong on purpose. if you are intentionally going to sabotage everything because you don't want to give players what they want then it's just a waste of resources.
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>>737069538You mean Manty
>>737073397Josh, listen.Good quest = does something I (the player) likeBad quest = does something I (the player) don't likeGood character = does something I (the player) likeBad character = does something I (the player) don't likeYou're just ashamed to write a romance and be sincere because people will judge you and make fun of you.
>>737073863True. Even the load screens in WOTR say that if you want things to go differently play the TT version.
>>737074085A simplification but it could lead to unintended consequences. You need characters to have some sort of friction or negative traits to avoid them being Mary Sues and to have their arcs be interesting. See Wyll from BG3, he’s a goody two shoes with pretty much no flaws, he’s always very kind and doing things in your best interest, being passive and deferring to the player. And as a result everyone thinks he is boring and is the least liked companion.
>>737073841You have to take the romance in DAO as a whole when you present it as a case of being woven into the game. Morrigan's romance is "good" because it perfectly weaves itself into the story to the best it can, which makes it more fulfilling than say, Zevran's. But how do you as a player feel if Morrigan was the only romanceable character? The narrative weight of Morrigan's romance is given more import because Bioware had the wherewithal to know to fulfill a romance of their mascot companion, they at least had to stretch it out narratively. I still think it could've worked with or without romance but MORRIGAN's questline is the only one that heavily leans on it. It's much closer to my idea of how cRPGs typically deal with romances but it's still gamified.
>>737059573...Is that, in fact, a direct reaction to the /v/ thread about romance running in the past three days, in which I've posted? It likely is. If so, holy heck.
>>737059573I'm puzzled. What's the point of making this huge fucking blogpost years after WotR got its last DLC exactly?
>>737074234Either the devs lurk here or they've been having the same discussions we've been having about RPG romance in other circles. Their blogpost is a very longwinded way to gain player-loyalty on how they conducted their "romance" as something along the lines of sophistication. It's meta-pandering.
>>737074234Writer's egotrip
>>737073540>A film you watch pauses at random intervals that you yourself have to manually press play to continue playing, is the film now a video game?I can watch video games on youtube. Video games can have both sex and romances without any issues.
>>737073629>But it is weird that she leaves you at the end.I have never gotten that ending, she always ends up dying after the Lucian fight because she has the bright idea of thinking she can become the next Divine instead of me. She also gets butthurt when I don't let her sacrifice thousands of innocent lives to weaken Adramahlihk. I love fighting that guy at full power, fuck you Lohse you don't get to ruin that bossfight.
>>737074334Well they’re still listening to us because RT is a lot more pandery than their previous games and it seems like Expanse will follow that trend.
>>737074085>Good quest = does something I (the player) like>Bad quest = does something I (the player) don't likeOstensibly false. There are some fail-states for some quests which brings ludonarrative fulfillment due to choice and gameplay. The same cannot be said about how romance is implemented in cRPGs.
>>737074234Let's people know what they're doing for Dark Heresy without scaring off the people who don't care about it if they based it off of Rogue Trader maybe, maybe they just think the WotR romances were better
it's funny how it's ok for the player character to be the chosen one with some special power that no one else has or be some super important person that everyone constantly dicksucks and the only one who can solve problems and everyone else can barely tie their shoes without your help, but having a beautiful virgin female be in love with you is an over the line pandering fantasy.
>>737074195Pretty sure you as a female warden can do the same thing with Alistar, too. He isn't exactly the mascot character. Outside of cutting semantics or whatever, I think we both agree it's simply possible to make romance involve itself into the plot.
>>737074390You didn't even answer my question. It's a question of how intrinsic ludonarratives are to videogames.
>>737074397Oh I’ve never gotten that, interestingUsually they’re all just like “yep you can be god it’s whatevs”
I play RPGs to have my Ego stroked, but subtly, don't be obvious about it. Your job as an RPG writer is to stroke my ego without me knowing your stroking my ego. I want to always come out on top, I want to be the smartest guy in the room, because in real life I'm not, and your job is to make me feel like I am without being patronizing.
>>737074234Could it be because they have another big project releasing soon and it will be compared to another succesful long spanning franchise that had popular romances?Surely that can't be it...
>>737074195It's pretty clear Morrigan and Alistair were given the priority for male and female characters over the other two, which makes them much stronger because like you said Morrigan and Alistair have a lot of narrative weight to their romances especially at the end. I think there should be a middle ground, games have come far enough that we can have at least two options for male and female with a lot of depth that can impact the story as a whole
>>737074404Yrliet and Jae are sooooo pandery yeah
>>737074465Female warden pushes you to be a cuckquean who sits in the chair while Alistair fucks Morrigan
>>737074490Based fellow Sandrocker and Heidichad
>>737061093Genuinely feels like Wenduag and Wenduag's romance were written by two different people. She comes across as a schizo if you romance her.
>>737074535No one forces you to romance Alistair
>>737074465>Outside of cutting semantics or whatever, I think we both agree it's simply possible to make romance involve itself into the plot.I think there's only one way to make it so its not gamified to the degree that it should. It has to happen RANDOMLY with or without player input so in some playthroughs you either get rejected or not. It's a radical approach but that's an untried solution. I also dawns on me on the debate of personhood of companions in cRPGs on how that was a hot topic in forums decades ago as well.
>DAOGreat, another bad game.
>>737074423>ludonarrative fulfillmentI have ludonarrative fulfillment ludonarrative double layered hate for your shit quest you faggot. When I see Cassia romance in RT I have ludonarrative fulfillment.
>>737074589Just like how no one forces you to romance Morrigan.
>>737074423>OstensiblyI meant Observably
>>737064134If you recruit Wenduag but tell her to fuck off before this happens, does that save Dyra?
>>737074652Just like you don't have to be a little bitch who's afraid of a little sacrifice for the greater good
>>737074638Please engage with me in good faith.
>>737074404If they pandered than Argenta would be romanceable and Yrilet and Jae removed because they are fan DISSERVICE.
>>737074761So surely if the female romance had to have sex with another man in order to save the world /v/ wouldn’t complain…right?
>>737074824We already have plenty of female romances that try to or outright fuck other men, women simply need a taste of what we've had to endure. It's not like they care.
>>737074486You simply have to let go from your defense for subtlety. Accept the pandering, this is how Japan sees it hence they put "porn" in their VNs. They understood it better than most.
I never do in-game romance stuff because I think it's cringe personallyHowever, I'm aware it's popular and you make money doing it well, so I don't see why you WOULDN'T pander when you write it
>>737074824I assume he means killing yourself at the end or letting Alistair do it which I believe if he loves you he won't even give you the option, fucking Morrigan doesn't save the world unless that's what ends up happening in Inquisition which I don't care about
>>737074234This thread, literally:>>736966728I am almost completely sure that must be it, the discussion got pretty complicated. I guess they really didn't like me saying they write their romances to be bad on purpose because romances in isometric RPGs are for losers. That's fair and I didn't mean to insult anybody in case they're reading this, I overanalyze shit and enjoy dev reactivity.
>>737074889>Lower your standardsNo
>>737074986>I guess they really didn't like me saying they write their romances to be bad on purpose
>romance needs to be randomly generated in RPGs for it not to be gamified>even if you pursued the companions, there is still an off-chance they don't feel like entering a relationship for a random reason
>>737074986>Camilla>love at first sightI wonder if she ever found out
>>737074889>>737074486Pandering can take different forms depending on the context and you can play with this.For example, acknowledging the player's playstyle: -if you're playing an unarmed build, have some people comment you're winning fights just with your fists-if you defeat a boss or important enemy way above your level people will comment you TANKED that-if you mostly played a pacifist until that point have it be acknowledgedetc.
>>737074997I mean, sure, it's all about ego-stroking at the end of the day. Gotta win that romance route!
>>737073629I friendzoned Lohse because I was fucking Sebille and it was actually really sweet, honestly. It's a good route because you can tell there may have been feelings there but they weren't acted upon and it's just really good friends.Genuinely pisses me off when there's not a good friendship option for a character and you're forced to romance them to get the full depth of their story or it ends unfinished without the romance.
>>737074882Right, you guys would complain and shit up the threads forever. Thanks for confirming.
>>737074463>having a beautiful virgin female be in love with youYeah, Kalikke is pretty great.
>>737059573The Tiefling Twins were easily the best romance in Kingmaker(Fuck Valerie, Octavia and Nyrissa) only girl who came close is Jaethal as long as you don't mind her body hopping into your kids every so often to refresh her longevity lol. In WoTR I just want to have violent babymaking sex with Wenduag and I unironically want to rail Nenio(after telling her to lose her individuality of course).
>>737074234See >>>737074228 Owlcat unironically watches and posts on /v/ for marketing. The constant Owlcat romance threads we've had for a like a week was either their own marketing threads. Or, being more generous and not accusing them of shilling. Those threads inspired them to make a blogpost talking about it.
Another Owlshart thread that will easily hit bump limit. It seems /v/ just loves to hate them.
>>737075086Ludonarratively yes. There are barely any ludonarrative elements tied to romances in cPRGs. The fulfillment comes from the GAME of completing their route. Not the romance itself, that comes down to taste of what the devs think romance should be accomodated. They're mostly done as a sidequest to get something. A brave dev should go out of their way to implement something like >>737075040 to see if players generally receive it since it's all tied to just narratively OR have just one or two romantic options then tied them strongly to the player's journey OR don't do it at all. That's my compromise on the matter.
>>737075086>have some people comment you're winning fights just with your fistsWhy? In a fantasy world full of fighters/monks such thing would be mundane for general population
>>737075213>Unirornically replying to him twiceBro you're not that important for Owlcat
>>737059573isnt this the bitch that cucks you randomly?
>>737075203>Fuck Valerie, Octavia and NyrissaIn that order? Don't mind if I do!
>>737075097One of their goals with Divinity 3 is making friendship routes and making romance building subtler. But yeah I think lohse’s story is really well done.
>>737059573>And then he tells you that he didn't bring these roses here to impress you, but simply to create a pleasant aroma in the council chamber, to make it less gloomy.>Basically, everyone understands this is flirting.How the hell is this supposed to be flirting? He literally says that he DIDN'T bring these roses for you.
>>737075203>babymaking sex with WenduagSorry lad, she only wants Daeran's, not yours
>>737074986So it’s basically a “we’re not gonna change what we do, fuck you” but in nice PR speak?
After all, having all female characters be virginal lovestruck goddesses that wait before marriage to start procreating is just as pandering as playersexual companions that are forwardly gay that proposition the player heavily like they're in a gay bar.
>>737075323The problem here is that you're a heterosexual male, anon, and the writer is not.
>>737075323Tsundere archetype for women.
Owlcat marketer that is in this thread right now. You better relay to the devs that they better include a female Eldar romance in Dark Heresy or the next Rouge Trader dlc. If you don't, I will shitpost (more than usual) In every single one of your shilling threads on /v/.I don't care if it requires more Eldar wank. Yrliet was so fucking badly written we deserve another.
>>737075229Almost every Owlcat thread has a scum that bumps on P8 or 9, so there's no point in ignoring them. It's better to just spam nonsense to hit bump limit faster
>>737074793I'm engaging you in a good faith. Just because you can't experience ludonarrative fulfillment from romance doesn't mean it doesn't exist.You're just doing those mental gymnastics >>737072754 over and over again.From now on I will deny all your ludonarrative buzzword RPGcodex salad.Romance is big part of rpg and if your story and dialogue heavy immersive rpg has no explanation why player can't romance a characters or why all female/no homo companions have zero romantic interest in Chad Thundercock EVIL SLAYER 3000 after traveling with him to the end of the world risking their lives every single minute, it is shit written game with story worse than the most shit written amateur litrpg.
>>737063291Galfrey has children retard. She says she fucked some random knight to make heirs
>>737075526Base->Yrliet was so fucking badly written we deserve another.TAKE THAT BACK
>>737063069>Being monoclassed anything in Pathfinder BuildmakerYou will take your 1 level dip in monk qnd vivisectionist and you will like it.
>>737075636Post a screenshot of this line, surely you have proofs for you claim, no?
>>737075636She doesn't say that. She does, however, have kids with that knight in one ending and never will with you, she's just Valerie 2
>>737075682>1 level dip in monk >he doesn't knowNERFED
>>737075593If you're that obstinate from the get-go then there's no point in discussing it any further.
>>737075323You might be autistic.
>>737075521>TsundereThank God that shit died out.
>>737075670YRLIET A SHITA SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
Owlcat if you're reading this thread your romances are dogshit for the most part, Kibbles and Cassia were nice though I'll admit but even then you fuckers couldn't help yourself and add an NTR bad ending for the fish. Focus more resources on gameplay mechanics because those are at least serviceable.
>>737075636She doesn't have kids. IIRC, if she dies in the story Daeran is situated to become king in an ending specifically because she has no heirs.
>>737065317>"Grr I hate romance">Why, Josh Sawyer>"THEY'RE JUST BAD, OKAY?"Dude acts like Romance is gross when it's a companion quest award when you could easily just write romance dialogue options into an existing Companion questline and have "Complete Trust" be an equal reward.
These niggas actually think Owlcat cares about what this shithole thinks
Owlcat just needs to take the Sawyer-pill and not to do romance in one of their games and use it as a control variable on what kind of audience they are forming that play their games.
Owlscat, your people who do romances are garbage. Fire them and hire someone whose only writing experience isn't just writing harry potter fanfiction for fanfiction.net
>>737069568Cause romance as a genre is aimed at wamen, duh.
>>737066001Literally nothing changes about your statment when the companions aren't romancable, anon.
Owlcat are animufags
>Sawyer is trying to lead Owlcat to The Way of Concord Your gaslighting is weakPoE2 floppedRTWPslop LOST
>>737075280When you did it its different. You're the first monk archetype they've seen, those other monks are from a faraway land or their skills were long forgotten until you revived them through your playstyle choice. The game exists to make YOU feel special, because you are, because you bought the game and paid good money for the privilege to have the game stroke your ego off.
>>737075918He literally explained it herehttps://youtu.be/aKDTNzgG_MI?si=5nnZa-XRw2zI6lc9&t=1436At around 23:56.
Also Owlcat refuses to be successful like Larian and make all the companions bi
>>737075829Not really their gameplay is shit, visuals are bad, writing is bad.Actually, what DOES Owlcat do good at? They seem to suck at everything.
>>737076202>Not really their gameplay is shit, visuals are bad, writing is bad.All good.
>>737076115>because you bought the game and paid good moneyLOOOOOOL
>>737075950Larian hired a fanfiction writer and she wrote the dark urge and astarion’s romance
>>737076180this post reeks of monkey pox
>>737076180The idea of all romanceable companions being default bi comes from the bowels of Tumblr. No, adding constraints is what makes character, not what they allow.
>>737076180That's not even what that's about, I don't think you can romance everyone at once in BG3 without pissing off the others, surely there's some final dilemma to pick like most games, I'd assume so at least
>>737076293No, it was tumblr complaining about DA2 erasing identities that led BioWare to go back in Inquisition.
>>737076371And now the same types complain when romances are genderlocked. Time really is a flat circle.
Incels lost.Immersion enjoyers won.Can't wait to romance at last something remotely looking like a human female in Dark Heresy.
>>737076415Not that anon but the fault here clearly lies on devs and producer mandates listening to the wrong opinons.
>>737074889This, embrace the pandering. Tell the player he's the bestest, smartest, cleverest chosen one hero who ever lived and ever will live, make women swoon and men pledge their undying loyalty and friendship. Who wants to work a shitty job for shitty pay and then spend that money only for the game to reiterate upon how mundane and boring your pathetic life is?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me-opLaRJ5wTell me I'm smart, let me feel like I'm strong, that's the experience I'm paying for.
>>737075759
>>737059663>>737061093Rate my duag edit
>>7370677064. It's absolutely busted
>>737066687They're just disgusting and retarded and unironically sexist for not being able to make a single normal female character that isn't also a massive degenerate whore from hell.
>>737076490I love Bhaalspawn too anon.
>>737076032That's so intimate, even more than sex or kissing, it makes me feel uncomfortable.
>>737076180A rare owlkek W
I LOVE NTR! I LOVE ROAST BEEF VAGINA!
>>737076578>degenerate whore from hellWhat is it about the succ that triggers you so much? The one romance option that shouldn't be a virgin, and that's the one you hyperfixate in
>>737076267>Larian hired a fanfiction writerAnd it shows lol
>FBvTXOnWQAgImSDSorry, can't relate, shartybwo.
>>737076609I’m surprised Larian only just now realized that the DAO Origins were a great idea, hopefully they expand and give us more stuff like Durge in the future.
>>737076578They want to pander but not pander to people who want that. It's completely arbitrary on their part and it's what makes their reasoning sound incredibly duplicitous in saying they are writing romance "right" when all it is just pandering but tastes only they prefer.
>>737076471Gamershulin is truly based.
>>737066797Same, but she was way too pure and innocent by Owlcat standards and that's a no-no for them.
I like Galfrey she's retarded but she's got spirit
>>737076698>but not pander to people who want thatThey do just that though
>>737076672What do you mean? I’d say her work is quite good. I guess you could say she was an influence in Astarion’s change in direction but regardless of how you feel about that the execution was there.
>>737076578>not being able to make a single normal female character that isn't also a [normal female]
>>737076801>I’d say her work is quite good.Consider reading something else than just fanfiction
>>737075526the fact that they made the regular elfdar female and the dark one male when the opposite would have been more popular with players just shows how owlkek refuses to just give people what they want.
>>737077007Is this what you want with "your" deldar gf?
>Sawyer says that he feels “out of step” with the modern cRPG audience, that he doesn’t “have the pulse of that audience” anymore in terms of what they like mechanically or story-wise, especially after seeing how Baldur’s Gate 3 was received. He also specifies that romance systems are a pain point, asking, “If I were to make romances in a game that were done in a way that I find appealing, would an audience enjoy that, or would they really actually even hate it more than romances not being in the game?”When a huge chunk of audiences only see the lens of romance through a fanfic writer's lens, is it even worth doing it for the medium anymore? I never even realized how it basically mimicks fanfic writing until some anon said in this thread that BG3 romances were written by fanfic writers. It all makes fucking sense on why I don't like it.
>>737077134>is it even worth doing it for the medium anymore?No
>>737076180>make all the companions biI'll never understand the want for generic gender neutral dialog that always comes with these "bi" companions. It's so boring. Don't gays hate it when their romance options have the same exact dialog as the straight ones?
>>737077181Then there you have it. That's my answer as well.
>>737077134tl;drSawyer is a fag who hates normal romances and can only write gay """romances"""
I can only imagine that to Bioware fans this is incredibly daring ludo putting them out of their comfort zone on par of trying to learn the dragon punch motion.
>>737077269Fuck off femoid
>>737075636Why just blatantly lie like this?
>>737077269What do you think of this kind of romance >>737075040
>>737077134>>Sawyer says that he feels “out of step” with the modern cRPG audienceGood. He should just continue making kino like Pentiment. Incels and trannies can have their shitty romance slop. Let people who have more than two braincells to rub enjoy good stories instead
>>737059573There's nothing wrong watching your beloved wife take a dozen cocks while you watch in the corner!
Wenduag is my spider hotwife!
>>737077134Baldur's Gate 2 came out in 2000, but sure romance KILLED CRPGs in 2026.
>>737077363Cambro...
>>737077353Pentiment was terrible
>>737077134Sounds like Sawyer is just being a salty faggot about how people enjoy romance being included in stories
>>737077353It's a great loss for cRPGs then. He's one of the last greats that saw good work during the golden age.
>>737077376New audience killed CRPGs
>>737077386Ok, tranny. Go back to bg3
>>737076541IMO her face is too delicate for a warrior.
>>737077390It's all fanfic writing, anon. Fanfic writing as far as the eye can see.
Camellia>Wenduag
>>737077338RNG romance sounds weird, especially the last part about not entering the relationship for random reasons. I'd like to see it just out of curiosity though.
>>737076656It breaks his worldview to know that the average straight white male that played the game romanced her.
>>737077134See >>737071145 chudHis games are shit and so his writing. It's typical fate of washed-up irrelevant artist. If he was competent writer he would just write romances and everything without any issue instead of crying about cRPG audience.
>>737077482But that's what makes romance thrilling and ultimately fulfilling. It also brings some sort of meta-exclusivity.
>>737077526average white trash*
>>737077475Fanfiction is when a fan creates stories about established characters. I don't know what the fuck you're going on about since characters in these games are original characters.
>>737077452>>737076541She is supposed beautiful to an extent.How about this one? its a bit more Bestial
>>737077353> kino like Pentiment
>>737077404It is, but as evidenced by success of truly mediocre games like bg3 and pathfinder people don't want good games. They just want to be pandered to. The genre and industry as a whole deserve to drown in mediocrity if that's whom they choose as the target audience
>>737077353>Incels and trannies can have their shitty romance slop.Only incels and trannies hate romance kino. Fact.
>>737077530I legitimately fail to see what's wrong with webm. It looks like they're playing the game right.
>>737077563Skin color status?
>>737077413actually it was corporate influenced mass appeal the new audience followed
>>737077584>Being this fucking retardedStop
>>737077353>kino like Pentiment
>>737077584You can't draw two and two together and see that it's more about the idea of fanfic writing rather than literally about writing love fiction about characters the reader and writer want to indulge in?
Why is there no AI containment board yet? Obnoxious bronie tier jeets need to be stopped from ruining all boards
>>737077623How long would you say CRPGs have been dead? NWN2? Deadfire?
>>737077712I'm just pulling these from /vg/
>>737077703Are you saying Sawyer epic writing isn't fanfic tier? Just read a real fantasy book.
>>737076159Oh, so he's a just a coward, then.
>>737077526I don't think anyone is surprised that simps will get with any women regardless of their body count, we're living in desperate times.
>>737077814NWN hotu
>>737077875Normal people don't care about the virginity status of a fictional character, anon, especially not if that character is a succubus.
>>737077814Deadfire was the last good CRPGs.Josh's magnum opus. Interesting and deeply written nuanced characters and grabbing thought-provoking story without romance cringe. They should just re-release it as book like some did with Planescape.
>>737077712AI, overnight changed how people get custom portraits for RPGs. No one is browsing artstation to find a pic that looks like their guy or paying someone on devientart to draw their shitty DnD character anymore, everyone just prompts an AI now.Dark ElfSpellswordBlack and spiky armor
>>737077625Enemy pathfinding failing to navigate around the big guy, I guess?
>>737077924>Normal peopleWhy are you here, trash? Maybe RPG Codex would be more your speed.
>>737077814Since wrath of the righteous, we haven't had a good once since.
>>737077404Sawyer happened to work on good games during the golden age of crpgs, by himself he's clearly mediocre as evidenced by his more recent games where he had complete control.
>>737077989>codextrannies>normalThe average codextroon has an even bigger meltdown than you over that, or romance in general.
>>737077814Rogue Trader killed cRPGs
>>737077827As someone who has read both fanfics and some fantasy novels, it's as fantasy as it gets and even down to emulating the player handbooks of D&D with lore dumps and contextual texts to always bring the world forth for the player.
>>737077947Deadfire did have romance though>>737077814Kotor
>>737077924You're out of touch with what gamers want.
>>737077924Indeed, the new normal is proposing to Bonnie Blue and everyone clapping.
>>737077959He's fighting in a chokepoint where the fuckhueg dragon is taking up. It's designed that way. That's how you can defeat some bosses as well, by retreating into a chokepoint like a doorway so Eder or a tank can block them while everyone behind throws spells.
>>737077814Since NWN1
>>737078051A lot codextrannies are slavs (ask /vrpg/ about commie reddit shill cringe) and slav culture is all about larping as hardcore manly man who love mature edgy shit.
>>737078150The most popular romance option in BG2 is a drow, and unlike Arue she openly keeps acting like a slut and even emasculates you.
>>737078028His failures? What failures. His "failures" amount higher than the successes of others. I don't like negro Italians as much as any anon here but the idea and gameplay of Pillars of Eternity is a cRPG forum's wet dream come to life.
>>737077625>>737077959>>737078156I was under the impression it was just a >post a vid of killing the superboss to prove I've played the game so I have authority when calling it shitor something
>>737078228Sit down Josh
>>737077947deadfire convinced me that rpg devs are either fully retarded or making their games wrong on purpose. how do you make a game about pirates and have it be completely devoid of anything interesting? there were so many "gimmes" that you can do with the setting that they completely ignored.
>>737077947>last good CRPGsThat would be Fallout 1
>>737078256It's not a superboss, it's just a mid-game quest
>>737078081She seems to be the most popular girl by far so I don't think I am.
>>737078371>popularSo?
>>737078326>Fallout 1If your CRPG has real world locations it is shit.
>>737078414You're the one who brought up what gamers want, can you even read your own posts?
>>737078371The alternatives are Camellia and Wendog, she literally wins by default. And the Queen loses only because she's not a companion and gets turned into a colossal retard by the game.
>>737078368Oh, I thought it was one of the optional challenge dragon fights at the end of the game, like the ice dragon or the one on the mountain. It's been like eight years since I've played PoE.
>>737078463Normaltrash ≠ gamers, lil gup.
>>737076862I’ve read a lot of things. What are your problems with her writing?
>>737078268The overworld travel being that of a ship reminded me of Sid Meier's Pirates, so that alone wins some points of ingenuity.
>>737078472>And the Queen loses only because she's not a companionDidn't stop Nyrissa.
>>737078368>>737078480It's from DLC. It was the strongest boss on DLC1 release.
>>737077134Only one of the romances was written by a fanfic writer. The other writers mostly came from the movie and TV world, with a few being at Larian since the beginning and only having game experience
>>737078514If you play video games regularly (which someone who play this kind of niche game is) then you're a gamer, sorry.
>>737078610No it isn't, it's the dragon in the volcano for the Magran shrine quest, I recognise the arena, plus the dragon in the DLC was an ice dragon who walked on two legs
>>737078610That's one of the earlier fights when you're doing the quest for the Magran Priestess in the first city. The dragon DLC you're referring to is the Alpine Dragon and that has no chokepoints at all and is all inside an arctic cave.
>>737078610This is the one you're referring tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBCm8i-ysKQ
>>737078558the ship being so shitty is one of the biggest problems with the game. the devs said they spent a ton of dev time on the ship combat and it was fucking garbage. also stuff like how there's an event where you spot a whale, but it doesn't even have an illustration for it, or how you can get a submarine, but it can't attack while submerged so it's actually the weakest of all ships. or how you can be a pirate but there's not a single fucking parrot in the game. it just shows how the devs have to be completely out of touch with what players think is cool and what they should invest their development resources into.
>>737072192>Romances use choice-heavy dialogue. Common structure: 1+2+1Fail route (clear mistakes)This is the worst part of Owlcat romances desu. Not enough flags.
>>737078589Do read everything I wrote next time.
>>737079137>r how you can be a pirate but there's not a single fucking parrot in the gamelol
>>737079259I did, Nyrissa does way worse than Galfrey, didn't stop her anyway.
it's over
>>737079458At least we had a healthy discussion about romance in RPGs.
Another L for Owlkeks
>>737078012the only real answer I got
>>737079546>healthy
>>737076258Have you actually played Wrath recently?
>>737077814>dead?since the xbox era when all of the pc devs got baited into making console games>shit?since baldur's gate was so popular that every rpg since then has been rated based on how much like baldur's gate it is
>>737078057it's amusing that both jrpg and crpg walked into the same turn-based vs real-time dichotomy and in both cases realtimefags are unironically braindead buttonmashers
Yeah I'm thinking Arue won
Owlcucks lost
>>737080364... the losing competition
