Star Fox went off the rails here.
Miyamoto did nothing wrong.
Hi, guys. Umaru here, I'm covering for Peter Griffin today, but the joke OP is making is related to Star Fox's history. Star Fox up to this point, the original on the SNES and SF64, were both rail shooters. Adventure marked the first time this formula was changed, hence the term "off the rails". It's a double-meaning because it's also where fans think Star Fox lost the plot.
Star Fox 2 is such a gem. They really said "Rails are cool, but let's do actual open 3D levels on SNES".
After seeing the DP prototype, I can't cut this game any more slack, they would have definitely got it out by 2001, even if it meant scaling back some stuff. Rare knew what they doing with the N64, more than Nintendo did. More money was spent changing the game than what would have been lost leaving it as is at the nadir of the N64.
Assault was alright
>>737072000It's his best design/model though
>>737075465>After seeing the DP prototype, I can't cut this game any more slackAfter playing the DP prototype we've had in circulation for years, I'm more convinced than ever that turning it into SFA was a good thing. It basically was the same shit in terms of puzzles and locations, but it would have run like ass just like Jet Force Gemini on the original hardware. And Microsoft would be owning it to this day, likely not doing shit with the IP.
>>737072000>Only get to play as Krystal for like 20 minutes before she's gone for the whole gameI unironically dropped it the moment I realized I was just spending the entire game playing as Fox.
>>737072000>>737074820>Krystal got sidelined in her own game>Rosalina got sidelined in her own movieWhy does this keep happening?
Heh I got it
>>737074820NTR godess..
>>737076784>And Microsoft would be owning it to this day, likely not doing shit with the IPSo like what Nintendo is doing with it now.
>>737072000I mean... they literally went off the rail shooter rails so yeah I guess they did
>>737077554Sindoll
>>737078214No they put fox in a shitty movie
Memes and Krystal aside, what does SF Adventure actually add to SF as a franchise or universe? If anything it feels like it sticks out all the more and not in a good way.
>>737075119This is some real voodoo magic to make this shit possible. Nintendo is retarded for not buying Argonaut Games and letting them make more first party titles
>>737078383I was more referring to the fact that Nintendo has not majorly used any of the Dinosaur Planet elements they retained from Rare post-Command from 20 years ago, Smash Bros. being the sole exception.
>>737072000I liked it.
>>737076784>It basically was the same shit in terms of puzzles and locationsIt wasn't.>Krystal reduced to the prologue instead of half the game alongside Sabre, pic related is more or less all her parts cut out along with some of Sabre's >Kyte was reduced to a small cameo and you wouldn't even know it was her, she got fucked over the hardest because her mother and siblings survived, the irony given her mother was killed in the original story>Sabre cut completely, Randorn cut completely>General Scales didn't get his intended fight due to the retool, then lost a second chance at a fight due to the buyout (Yes I know he was a pawn but you still would have fought him)>Drakor, the main villain, was made into Scales' and Andross' lackey, no lines or dialogue, his entire backstory with the Kamerian Heart and Krazoa war scrubbed>Krazoa were the real villains in the story, Quan Ata Lachu plot and actual Krazoa Palace was cut>75% of Cape Claw was cut, Krystal's areas were cut, The SwapStone's brother was cut, actual spells were cut, etc.>All the stuff that was unexplained in SFA (one example being the Sharpclaw having all that tech despite being tribal like the other groups was Drakor supplying them with it to take over the planet) or felt off was fully addressed or more coherent in DP>And Microsoft would be owning it to this day, likely not doing shit with the IP.Nintendo ain't doing anything with the DP elements at all, even Krystal got phased out. Star Fox's last 'game' was a cameo in Starlink. Dinosaur Planet could have been on the NSO if nothing else or even on XBLA.>have run like ass just like Jet Force Gemini on the original hardwareConker disproves this. They were using the expansion pak for the game.
>>737077393I keep telling you all, "He is the golden child". He's the one he cares about the most, it's the only one of his heroes who actually laid the girl. >>737078413It adds more than anything which is how the problem started. It set the precedent for an actual fucking story Nintendo had to (and failed to) maintain. >If anything it feels like it sticks out all the more and not in a good way.Which is why everyone hates it. Or likes it. There is no "middle ground" with this clusterfuck. It's like he put up a dead end sign in the middle of the track purely because Rareware was driving it and he wanted them to go off the rails with it.
>>737078495They were barely used in their own game. General Scales, despite being the main villain doesn't even get a proper boss fight
>>737078842They ran out of time when they had made the changes, and they scrapped the initial fight when they had to make the move to the GC and change the IP to Star Fox. Two times Scales got fucked over.
>>737078842Down to brass tacks, the only reason he wanted it changed to a starfox game was because he wanted his golden child to have an arranged marriage with the main character of DP. Not only was his only input to keep her when they wanted to can her, they put her in the very beginning of the game before Fox is even introduced because they know that's the only reason for the game in the first place.
The funny and sad thing is that reading interviews over the years have kinda low key revealed that Takaya Imamura is the primary reason the Star Fox storyline went to shit after SF64.>the eight year timeskip between sf64 and adventures was his call, dude apparently thought about making it TWENTY YEARS when sf64 first came out >krystal even being in the gcn games at all (rare was initially just going to cut her entirely from dp) and also sexualizing the shit out of her was his (and i guess shiggy's call), also retiring peppy from the field which pissed fans off>literally the entirety of star fox command's batshine insane storylines and endings are all entirely on his handsLike yeah there were other people involved with how that continuity turned out like Rare and Namco but the broad strokes of things like the characters actually aging and being swapped in favour of new weirdos like Krystal and Panther, as well as again the entirety of Command's story all come from him. It's why I actually find it unfair when people say that Adventures "derailed" the series because if you actually read these old interviews, you can tell that this was the direction the series' storyline was always gonna go down in, it's just that it made Krystal/Dinosaur Planet a convenient scapegoat for it all.
>>737079170Even in the game, Fox's actions basically nail it down. He does not give a single fuck about this stupid planet. He does not want to be there, he is pissed he can't use proper weapons and the only reason he progresses is because of her staff. Then he finally meets her and suddenly everyone starts caring about playing the game again, especially fox.
>>737079241Another example while we're at it:https://www.reddit.com/r/starfox/comments/18rek3h/just_throwing_out_a_translation_of_this_old/> N.O.M: Were there any changes in characters or other aspects from the 64 version?>Imamura: I suppose it would be that Fox and the team have aged. This time around the story is set 8 years in the future. Characters like Mario and Bowser never age, but I feel that Fox needs to change in various ways over time. Maybe 10 years from now, we'll have the same face we've always known, but the character is actually Fox's son. It's kinda funny that people are surprised Command's story ended like this reading this.
>>737079097I don't even understand that. Wasn't Andross fucking dead in Star Fox 64? Not every game needs its own Bowser, especially not Star Fox a game that took itself relatively seriously. It would've only helped if Fox had a rogues gallery
>>737079426Unfortunately anon it's obvious that Miyamoto and Imamura believe Andross to be Fox's Bowser, the latter said as such in this old interview.Even Command despite technically introducing a new villain with the Anglars, heavily ties its lore back to Venom and Andross.
>>737079463>Tells IGN he "wished they would make it into a starfox game" 2 weeks after they intercepted them before E3 and arranged to make it just that >commissions Assault before Adventures fulfils a preorder
>>737079463The sad truth is that Nintendo didn't even force Rare to do it, Miyamoto just gave the Stampers an offer and they accepted because they figured that Dinosaur Planet was screwed as its own original late stage N64 IP and that it could have used both the Star Fox AND GCN boost to make it sell better, Lee Schuneman confirmed that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO7ocvmoDBcFor what it's worth, I have no doubt that DP and Krystal would have ironically faded into obscurity far faster under Microsoft than they did underneath Nintendo, but I do think it would have ultimately been more respected in the long run as an odd ball N64 cult classic.
>>737079306Look at the save icon for the game in the Gamecube menu, he's shaking his head. Fox was a stand-in for how Rare felt about the entire ordeal.
>>737079721Oh, interesting. It must just be an online narrative that it was imposed.
>>737079426Again, nothing made sense in the context of SFA. But in DP, it was all there. The Krazoa were using Krystal/Sabre to revive them so they could fuck the universe up, while Drakor was reviving the Kamerian Heart to destroy the planet so they couldn't be revived. They could have just kept the original story, but Fox took Sabre's place and that would have probably been much better. Drakor becomes a recurring antagonist, Scales gets his fight, Star Fox now has a new element to work with with Andross' remaining forces or whatever they were doing after Adventures and Drakor potentially going to his home planet to regroup and go after Star Fox and his crew.Even Scales could have been a lesser faction trying to get even with Drakor and possibly teaming up with Fox and Krystal when the opportunity called for it.
>>737077554You can say whatever you want about Krystal, but her portrayal in command is peak woman.
>>737072000off the rails
At least something good came out of Adventures.
>>737072000Still better than Assault
>>737079721Interesting to see how they were planning to incorporate Dinosaur Planet into the greater Star Fox lore. As it exists, the game feels pretty far removed from everything else, even the Sauria stage in Assault feels like a weird detour.
>>737074820Stupid sexy vixen
>>737072000The new rumored Star Fox could be a flaming turd and it would still be more interesting than the garbage Nintendo has put out so far in 2026.
>>737072000I liked it, those floating jellyfish at the start freaked me out though I thought they were game viruses.
I’m trying to ask this as non-confrontationally as possible, but do you fags even like star fox? We’ve had threads every day since the Galaxy movie, and it’s mostly just people saying how pretty much every game didn’t live up to expectations.
>>737079363Marcus's game is still on the table
>>737086017I love Starfox. Starfox 64 was one of my first games and I played it religiously as a kid. I play through it a few times each year improving my score.
>>737072000This game gets a pass for being a reskin. Assault was ok, command is where shit really hit the fan.
>>737086017I like every Star Fox game, even Command.
>>737086017i do, i love the star fox 64, adventure and assault, the wii u one is trash trough
>>737086017Star Fox 64 was just that good. Just a shame that Star Fox was really more just a great game than a great series in practice.
make way for KATT
>>737086482>the wii u one is trash troughIt's not, you just got filtered by the controller.
>>737072000It was peak so whatever.
>>737087068
>>737075465It had a worse framerate than Hailfire Peaks in Banjo Tooie.
>>737083098>Nintendo almost turned Star Fox into The Phantom Menace
>>737072000That box art is such bullshit. You only get to play as fox
Star Fox Adventures really highlights how completely sauceless Nintendo's games.DP had dialogue like:>I can taste your fear, animal. It is very sweet.>You didn't tell him what happened in the temple. Go on. Tell him. Tell him how you destroyed his God.They replaced Drakor and Randorn and the Quan Ata Lachu and the Majestic 8 and all that stuff with dime store Nintendo bullshit.
>>737086017>it’s mostly just people saying how pretty much every game didn’t live up to expectations.I think it is because 64 set the bar incredibly high from how amazing it is. It basically perfected the franchise too early with little room for growth.
>>737086017SF64 has the kind of game design that is genuinely perfect. Instead of length, it has depth, which is what offers it so much replayability. You can play SF64 25 different times and have unique experiences with it, and playing "only" 7 missions each run means there's no burn-out. Compare that to most modern games that offer only superficial binary choices and have a 40-80 hour campaign; that's nothing but burn-out and begging to be experienced through YouTube.I will admit that Adventures, Assault, and Command are "bad" for very distinct and different reasons, but none of them are offensive to me. I had the most fun with Assault which also had a short campaign and great multiplayer, but the story didn't have different routes like SF64 which was a huge let-down. Command had different routes, but the story itself was bizarre and the gameplay, if we can even call it that, was appalling. Adventures had the issue of being too long and having no replayability whatsoever, but the gameplay, when it wasn't gimmicky ("I HATE THE TEST OF STRENGTH, I HATE THE TEST OF STRENGTH") was adequate for what can be derisively called an Ocarina of Time clone.All in all, the appeal of Star Fox has been, for me, the characters and their radio chatter and banter, the tight gameplay, the realized space settings, and blowing things up. I can't speak for everyone, but if we were given a game like Assault that had dozens of mission routes, I would be a happy camper.
>>737078723Oh what could have been
Star Fox 64 is what Nintendo was afraid Super Metroid was, a genuine masterpiece of a game that they could never top if they tried, so why botherExcept they have tried to top it, only to fall on its face every single time. Miyamato was really fucking lucky Metroid Prime turned out to be a masterpiece, because the same train of logic that led to SFA led to MP.
This game made me a furry
>>737089995You're welcome.
>>737088003It always reminds me of this promotional Ocarina of Time poster.
>>737089995Many are saying this
>>737089995Weird how it happens to some people. Krystal's massive bobblehead turned me off.
>>737079241>>737079363if you look at the ending arts to command and the pictures he draws almost every day on twitter you can tell he drew them all himself
this the point when the series became more about furries than space ships
>>737090262It was her loincloth and accent that got me.
>>737072000I will always hate Adventures because it destroyed the momentum of the Star Fox series forever. Five whole years since Star Fox 64, a unanimous classic, and we get a Rareware Zeldalike rebranded into a Star Fox game. The only way they could've turned it back around was if Assault was awesome but instead it was merely decent, except for the multiplayer but who was playing multiplayer GameCube in 2005 outside of the occasional Melee or Mario Kart?
>>737090964>who was playing multiplayer GameCube in 2005 outside of the occassional Melee or Mario Kart?Poorfags.>t. poorfag
>>737091067I got my friends to play it with me a few times in the 2010s. It made me wish the game got a "New Play Control" release like Jungle Beat or Pikmin, so they could've had online multiplayer on the Wii.
>>737072000Actually 64 had all range mode.
>>737091128We played so much multiplayer we unlocked everything for it. I just did a Google search and found out that means we played 260+ matches of Assault MP. I'm simultaneously proud and embarrassed. I also remember unlocking the demon rifle because I was getting pissy that one of my friends always picked Wolf for his higher health and could tank regular sniper rifle headshots with him.
>>737072000I get the joke. I'm not laughing, but I get it.
>>737075005HAHAHAHAHA!
>>737072000Good one
>>737090435This game had amazing graphics for its time.
>>737092453Rare had some tech wizards on the team.
>>737075119People try to say shit like Metroid can't be open world, and open world Starfox would suck too, and then games like Starfox freaking 2 on the SNES pull it off. The second game!
>>737092453Stop praising Adventures, it's ASS. You should already know Rare were godkings from DK Country, know when that game came out, and look at those graphics.
>>737075119What the hell even went wrong?
>>737093206The game was set to come out after the Playstation and Nintendo didn't think it would be able to compete.
>>737081229I wish there were a sequel to this, I love Fox being a Saurian sex slave.
>Krystal is the only fox on the entire planet>All but states her true homeworld got fucking axed by Andross leaving her a war orphan>Has never met another one her own kind since her parents>Is never touched upon other than being a love interest for FoxThis entire franchise is nothing but wasted potential, I swear
>Can i see your legs?
>>737093893>
>>737093726Krystal fucks human men
>>737092609SNIIIIIFFFF
>>737088201Did it, though? Star Fox 64 is such an incredibly dull and antiquated game compared to Rogue Squadron. This is the elephant in the room about Star Fox. It's just not a very good series.
>>737088201Why did that happen with Star Fox but not with Zelda or Mario?
>>737093147That's the only praise I even for have Adventures and Dinosaur Planet.
>>737072000
I'm trying assault and decided to do gold/hard mode because I thought "its a gamecube game for kids. surely its not that hard"How wrong I was.>enemies lobbing bombs that do a 3rd of your health from halfway across the map with pin point accuracy.>enemies are so aggressive that setting up shots on foot is basically impossible if there are any enemies nearby.>if you don't dodge everything when in the arwing you will die in seconds.I just got to the boss fight against general pepper and I'm really feeling like starting on gold mode was a mistake but I would have to restart the whole game if I want to bump the difficulty down.
>>737089995I remember seeing an old image saying "everyones furry for krystal"it really wasnt wrong desu
>>737096402So imagine George Lucas if instead of getting more and more directive control over star wars as time passed, he gave it away and had less control/input on it with each new saga. And instead of expressing/ defending your poor decisions on it, you just said nothing and pretend it didn't happen. That is Miyamoto and starfox basically, like a weird blend of George Lucas/Disney when it comes to directing games.
Why does Star Fox have so much wasted potential?
>>737089995I can understand it getting you into furshit (not all furshit is created equal), but becoming a furry outright is a bit extreme, even for a goddess like Krystal.
>>737098526Because whenever he sees another game that screams wasted potential he immediately thinks to ship him into it. It's actually scary how similar it is to what furfags do.
>>737098601all it takes is the correct anthro to make any straight man a furry
>>737098526Miyamoto ruins the games while the gay faggots that grift off the series ruin everything else. One only cares about redoing the same game over and over again and never letting the series grow, while the other forces their fringe ideology on everyone else because they're obsessed with seeing Fox and Wolf have anal sex that leads to worms, prolapse, and eventually diapers.
>>737093206>What the hell even went wrong?>>737093474Nintendo actually planned multiple SuperFX2 (or squared, as it was called) games to be released in 1995. Star Fox 2 was one of them. FX Fighter and Comanche were the other two. But they were all cancelled at the same time. Mostly because of the changing landscape of the home console market in 1995 with the launch of the Sega 32x, Sega Saturn, and Sony Playstation. At the time, Nintendo didn't think that the clunky looking polygon SNES games could compete or sell well. Star Fox 2 was cancelled in favor of Star Fox 64, which didn't show up until early 1997. I also suspect that the FX chips that were planned for these three cancelled games were used in Doom and Yoshi's island. Both used the SuperFX2 chips : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW8YNk7-zfs
>>737074820>>737090435>>737092609They knew Exactly what they were doing.
>>737098836Yoshi's Island was always planned to use the FX2 chip. Comanche, Star Fox 2, and FX Fighter were all shown at E3 1995. But cancelled shortly after the event. The buzz around the Playstation at E3 1995 left Nintendo spooked and they quietly canceled most of their Super FX2 line-up because they didn't want 'clunky' looking 3D games on the SNES released besides PS1 games. They would rather wait for the N64 to push 3D.
Are Krystalfags are the most delusional subgroup of Nintendofags?
>>737098664At most a selective furry of sorts, given how weird and gross 80% of furshit is. And that includes a good amount of the fanart for even the most attractive ones like Krystal, much of whose fanart unfortunately consists of off-model dog fetishist slop. I'd rather just appreciate the few best ones, for what they're worth in their own right, and not bother with the rest.
>>737100431Yes
>>737074820Krystal wasn't Miyamoto's idea.
>>737098039The devs clearly never play tested the thing on hard mode. Difficulty is bullshit rather than challenging.
>>737100647Acquiring her certainly was.
>>737077393That's not the same though. Rosalina was always meant to be a side character. Krystal was actually supposed to be the main character until Nintendo thought they could sell more games by rebranding Dinosaur Planet with the Star Fox IP. She was also changed from a cat to a fox because Nintendo is against racemixing.
>>737075119>3D graphics with shadows on SNEShow the actual fuck
>>737100501This is the good shit right here.
>>737088542>secondary, occasionally hidden objectives in a couple of missions is depthnot sure if retarded or...
>>737098039>I would have to restart the whole game if I want to bump the difficulty down.The game's pretty short when you're not dying constantly, so that's not as big of a deal as you'd think. There's a mode that expects you to beat the whole thing in one sitting.
>>737072000>even krystal's va tweets porn of herdamn
>>737100863Rare was already making the game for Nintendo.Miyamoto's only contribution was "YOO MAEK STARU FOXU GAEM NAO HAHA"
>>737072000no shit faggot it was an on rails shooter before
>>737077393What's worse is that there's a good chance both are a result of Shiggy's meddling
All my niggas find Adventures and Assault to be good efforts, but ultimately underwhelming in several departments. We respect it for what it was, but we see the vision that it could've been even better.
>>737072000and it was shit.
>>737072000Star Fox would be in better shape if it went straight from SF64 to Assault.Adventures threw the lore into a blender, its gameplay was completely detached from the core of the series, and overall really just should have stayed Dinosaur Planet.Star Fox was not big enough for a spin-off styled game like Adventures. All it did was cause people to jump ship. Many never even game Assault a try as soon as they saw the on-foot combat.I do not hate Adventures, but it did more harm than good to Star Fox.
Favorite thing about Adventures: KrystalFavorite thing about Assault: Spacesuit Krystal
>>737100647See:>>737096663
>>737105725>Adventures threw the lore into a blender, Imamura did that. Adventures itself doesnt' even do anything for the greater Star Fox mythos outside of the eight year timeskip and plopping Krystal into the cast, both of which were revealed to be on Imamura. At the very least the former of which likely would have happened if EAD got to make their own Star Fox Adventures as intended before it got merged with Dinosaur Planet, the dude was literally "joking" about doing a fucking 20 year timeskip after SF64 came out for crying out loud.>>737079241
Makes me very happy knowing that Krystalfags will never ever EVER get what they want.
>>737106949>>737096663>man designs a character based on what he imagines his boss would get off toYeah, this is why Japs are dying out.
>>737105789Tribal Krystal is all that i need. I actually lost interest when they shoved her in that suit.I am strictly against modernizing naked, stinky, cavewomen.
>>737107197What do I want?
>>737107197She's gonna be in the next Starfox game being announced next week ;)
AFIS Krystal.
Starting to think that leak was fake, bros...
>>737107864Retard.
>>737107864>Krystal is included in the next Star Fox game>She's made into a girlboss dyke with most of her femininity stripped who constantly humiliates Fox McCloud
>>737108332>who constantly humiliates Fox McCloudoh please, you faggots don't even like her romance with Fox because he's not human.
>>737108332Shiggy wouldn't allow it.
>>737108332..but enough about Command
>>737108394Don't lump me with hmofaggots who are insecure of romantic relationships that don't involve faceless mannequin men.
>>737108332>>She's made into a girlboss dyke with most of her femininity stripped who constantly humiliates Fox McCloudso, nuTawna?
>>737072000>Star Fox only didn't suck hereftfy>>737074820
>>737108394>>737108559>hmofa seethe out of nowhereWhy is this so common in Star Fox threads? Why do you feel so threatened that people like to fantasize about a female anthro character and NOT wear one of your disgusting fursuits while doing it?
>>737074820sex
>>737110474You will always be a furfag, no matter how many new cope words you invent.
>>737110474And now here's another faggot lumping me with another group, as if the concept of being able to like both human X anthro and anthro X anthro pairings is impossible. And of course you mentioned fursuits which has nothing to do with the conversation. inb4>s-seething
>>737074820>>737099187Reminder that there's only about a 1 difference between Adventures and Assault.Which means Krystal goes from Tribal Girl wearing a loincloth bikini to Ace Spaceship Fighter Pilot in about a year, which is actually pretty funny.
Blue space fox amazon
>>737110919>Fox is barely four feet allThats so cute, holy shit.
>>737110919I miss Assault's proportions.
>>737111713Fox should always be shorter than krystal
>>737072000haha off the rails
>>737111935Disagree, making Fox taller was a better call.
>>737110902she was flying a spaceship at the end of adventures, which was presumably the same one she used to get to sauria from her home planetcould have been a far more advanced planet than her get up implies
>>737114342I loved the gormless expression he had in Assault.
How do you go from this
>>737115097To this?
>>737100501im not a furry...but
>>737087068Okay
>>737115232Here's the explanation for her redesign in Command btwhttps://www.reddit.com/r/starfox/comments/1151lkd/nintendo_dream_republishes_some_of_their_old_star/>I felt that Katt's personality in "Command" was a little different from that in "64"...>Imamura: I don't think I changed her personality. I changed her appearance to be more fashionable. Maybe it was because she had more lines that she seemed that way.
>>737115150bandai namco shenanigans, hopefully they use the ost from assault in the new game, is fucking 10/10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6iW0kYAmo&list=PLKZuW9RWvTR5uiOwSJQMabVTXmFwsNENb&index=5
>>737115097>>737115150Well when you save a planet from blowing up, a catastrophic event that would have resulted in the extinction of several races and potentially have an impact towards the greater Lylat System as a whole, it makes sense that they would get a pretty penny for it.Sauria tribes likely provided Star Fox materials and resources that he could have then traded back on Corneria, along with Corneria paying them for saving an entire planet.Also just a based change in art style. Seriously, I love Assault's Arwings.
>>737110474Why does your stupid cuck fetish show up so often in Star Fox threads despite this series having zero humans in it?
>>737115834So perhaps they paid off the 80 year loanand then
>>737111324>>737111935One of the things I liked most about his SF64 voice is how much he sounds like a goofus. He straddles the line between dorky and cool. It's no surprise Krystal is interested in him.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k8InZDLu3w
What is the state of Q-games and their relationship with Nintendo?
>>737116486https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjG5uDYHLBU
>>737072000>tfw Adventures was my first Star Fox game>didn't care for it>played SNES and 64 games years later>mehBest thing about the series is unironically Melee.
>>737072000You mean reached peak character design
>>737117843I was just watching the gate video... She's so beautiful.
>>737117015>Cool level headed leader and all-around badass>Turns into a dork when he has to talk to girls or WolfThis is the correct personality for Fox.
>>737078413First time we got on the ground.
>>737115834https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8TSxe124jAI freakin' love the slingshot mechanism to launch the Arwings, too. It's from a shitty console but it still manages to be so beautiful!
>>737079241If he kept Krystal then this nippa’s alright
>>737118830Nuh uh, there was that on-foot stuff in the multiplayer that was said to be a remant of a cut stage from the main campaign where Fox was to supposed to run around on-foot and shoot at Andross with a bazooka.
>>737079306He’s a fucking mercenary, do you think German merc gave two shut about the morality of who employed them ?
>>737119068James' team was founded with the idea of fighting not for the highest bidder, but for the right cause. With Sauria specifically, Fox didn't understand why some backwater shithole mattered to the greater scope of the Lylat System, which is why he's focusing so hard on the money. Once he sees that Krystal isn't another stupid dinosaur, he's immediately invested in helping Dinosaur Planet. Money's no longer his driving force, lust is. Then, when she acts like a bitch to him because she doesn't know what he's done and gone through, his morality becomes the motivation to pursue the "Krazoa God".There's an arc to it, but it's not really tangible when we were retarded kids who got a stiffy at blue dingo girl.
Krystal Ball
Only stupid people judge Adventures on the basis of it being a bad Starfox game. We have known since day one it is literally not a Starfox game.You may as well Judge Warioware on the basis of it being a bad Wario Land sequel.
>>737119840the jontron review did irreparable damage to the game's memory...
>>737119962So weird that Jontron of all people doesn't get the appeal of a game that's basically a Rare collectathon mixed up with some Zelda>dude, it's not Starfox 64!Well yeah. No shit. Dinosaur Planet is a game that was announced and publicised.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrFV5PrbN8c
>>737119962>>737120264What's even weirder is that he made the video before his Nuts and Bolts video. I could understand Stairfax Temperatures being run-off from him seething about Banjo-Threeie, but I don't get where his animosity for Adventures would come from. If I had to guess, based on how much he loves DKC, he values games that do one thing incredibly well and likes his franchises locked in on doing that one thing consistently.
>>737115323There is no new game! You fell for it!
>>737074820My man! She made me who I am today!
>>737121221all that porn really made her a staple in the series
>>737121221
>>737076784>And Microsoft would be owning it to this day, likely not doing shit with the IP.Neither would Nintendo had they owned Dinosaur Planet
>>737075119There’s probably an alternate timeline where Star Fox 2 was moved to the N64 and used the power of the console to great effect. Star Fox 2 on N64 would be just as good if not better than what we got in our timeline with the dumb retelling/reboot. I wish we got that timeline instead.
>>737077393>Krystal got sidelined in her own game>Rosalina got sidelined in her own movie>Why does this keep happening?Even fucking Kairi in Melody of Memory towards the end of the game, gets sidelined.
>>737115834The arwings in assault look ugly and bulky.
>>737121649This almost happened between the transition of Metal Gear 2 and Metal Gear Solid. In a way MGS is still a retelling of everything that happened in Metal Gear 2 in a less interesting way.
>>737121886mods, kill this poster
>>737079241I can look past all this and still appreciate Takaya Imamura as a person and character artist.
>>737088003>You only get to play as foxMaybe in the wrong version
>>737116380>paid off the loan>got upgrades for everything >save the lylat system from space bugs>get paid pennies for itThe fuck? Starfox should be rolling in cash after assault. Enough to build several great foxes.
>>737122193>As this installment [Star Fox 64] was released in 1997, if General Pepper's $70,000+ bill for the Star Fox Team's services from high scores at the end of the game is inflated to today's currency, it would be the equivalent of over $142,523 as of 2026.>Though extremely difficult under normal circumstances, if the player manages to obtain the highest possible legitimate scores (up to 3000 kills), the bill can reach as much as $192,000, which, if adjusted for inflation, will be an astonishing $390,920.37.Star Fox got paid less than $400,000 for killing Andross...
>>737122193Splitting with Wolf really killed their cut.
>>737079721>but I do think it would have ultimately been more respected in the long run as an odd ball N64 cult classic.That’s how I feel about Conker, a very late N64 game coming out the same year as the Gamecube and fucking Shrek. Can’t you believe this RATED M game is on the same console as Super Mario 64?
>>737122394>equating a completely fictional currency to any real oneYou fool!
>>737075005Sleep tight hammers!
>>737086017>I’m trying to ask this as non-confrontationally as possible, but do you fags even like star fox?I’ve seen some new Star Fox videos show up in my YouTube Algorithm thanks to the movie.
>>737087068>Temu Miyu
>>737072000It gave us Krystal. Just a shame we didn't get that much more.
>>737089995for me it was assault, but it was still the blue vixen
Why did everyone hate him just for saying this? I mean Smash already has some questionable additions that don’t make sense yet people draw the line at Slippy and Peppy. I mean the word “Iconic” is subjective.
>>737123229Were echo fighters a thing at this point? I could imagine Slippy being a Luigi to Fox's Mario, and Peppy could be a sturdier, heavier echo for players wanting a more relaxed version of Fox (though I don't see either of them having Fox's, Falco's or Wolf's ^B).
>>737075119Good game. Also I liked Zero. I liked Chicken Walker. We are not the same.
>>737072000Thats the best one though
Pay your respects soldiers>>736991557
>>737098601PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
>>737122394We don’t know enough about the inflation rate or CPI index in the Lylat system to say for sure how much 400k of their currency is worth. From Pepper’s reaction we can gauge it is a lot, but in the official manga between 64 and Adventures, we are told that Fox is low on funds and can’t afford to maintain Great Fox. There are also tax implications. Fox is a moralfag and would surely be in compliance with whatever regulations exist. Cornerea might exempt him, but there could be separate jurisdictions on other planets. There is also the question of how Star Fox is structured as a business. I wonder if the Lylat system has a concept of pass through entities, and if Fox or Peppy would be savvy enough to register as an LLC or elect S-Corp treatment for Star Fox. If not, they could end up double-taxed, first when Star Fox gets paid and again when the team members take their share. Now that I think about it, running a merc company must be a paperwork nightmare. I wonder if Fox is the one who keeps their books.
>>737124070There is no way anyone but ROB is doing the taxes, handling invoices, distributing payment, managing services and maintenance, and even handling the mail... all while piloting the Great Fox while everyone's eating pizza, watching shit on TV, or staring at Krystal while she does her abdominal exercises by utilizing a dancing pole.
>>737124070
>>737117696>>737122157Fun fact: There was actually a time where Star Fox used to be the Fire Emblem of Smash representation bias.>It got a new character every game until Smash 4.>It was the only non Mario/Zelda/Pokémon veteran franchise to get a Melee newcomer.>Fans complained about it having more characters then bigger series DK and Metroid in terms of the Brawl.>Krystal was a big request character during the early speculation time but Sakurai could only do Wolf under the Brawl time constraints.Good times. Star Fox representation in Smash was great, until Smash 4. Smash 4 sucked as far as Star Fox content goes, and though Ultimate is better, it’s still lacking. (I know Krystal is an assist trophy) Yeah, we got Wolf back, but we’re still missing stages, and missed out on a lot of great music from Star Fox 2, Adventures, Assault and even Command, hell, Ultimate didn’t add any new remixes for Star Fox but funnily enough F-Zero got some new remixes in Ultimate.But I think it's more the oversaturation of their introductions. For Star Fox you had one character, then two, then three, back to two, then back to three. With the FE cast you had zero, then two, still two, then six, and then A WHOOPING EIGHT. Even the pokemon didnt have a ramp that aggressive.
>>737124351I was almost insulted that Corneria (Zero) didn't get into Ultimate, because it's the closest we'll ever get to Ace Combat music in Smash.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfuRCSR-pnc
>>737072000I played Starfox Adventures as a kid and I honestly loved it. The Arwing sections were a disappointment, but I loved the game overall. Never understood the hate with it.It's probably relevant to mention the only Zelda games I've ever played were Link's Awakening and Wind Waker.
How much of DP is playable now? I haven't messed with it since around the time of the initial leaks.
I hated Star Fox Adventure for one reason.The fireball uses the default overused "Magic Woosh" sound effect.
>>737123229>rosterfagging in 2026>when trash bros is an empty husk of its former selfyou still play that garbage ass series? how embarrassing
>hey you know what our on-rails shooter franchise needs? a clunky ass 3d adventure game swinging a stick around to whack things
>>737074820Confess.How many nuts have been busted to this janky unfinished mess?
>>737125683I never played this but I played the Peach one. Does this have the same huge tits and ass options?
>>737119962>the jontron review did irreparable damage to the game's memory...It really did, I remember a friend of mine growing up was massively into star fox, loved the shit out of adventures.I still prefer 64 but adventures was still a fun spin-off.
>>737126302I honestly don't recall at this point, I know they basically turned it into it's own engine and there's been a few other titles made with it.
I want to get starlink only for star fox. Is he like a major character, or is he only there for one level? I know wolf only shows up once, but his portrayal was the best one yet.
>>737125683>That explosion of Star Fox cuck porn>Both in flash animations and kemono doujinshiWhat a wile time to be on the internet. Irreparable damage it did to me.
>furries are also cucksI’m not even surprised.
>>737127407Exactly the reason HMOFAchads are superior
Friendly reminder to Krystalfriends that Command is canon until Miyamoto says otherwise.
>>737074820This series legacy is porn of a character who wasn’t even designed for it
>>737072000>>737074820>”cool fantasy action game you got there Rare but what if you made it a Star Fox game and added like two space ship sections I’m sure the fans will love it, btw no we are not buying you have fun getting raped by Microsoft. ALSO MAKE THE BLUE FOX WHORE’S OUTFIT MORE SKIMPY OR SO HELP ME”What the actual fuck did Miyamoto mean by this?
>>737125683lets see. 1.. 2.. 300 times for 26 years
>>737101870Reminder that Fox is a Mario character, was never intended to be a Starfox character, and now symbolizes the decline of the series as a whole.
>dude what if Star Fox was like Zelda>scratch that the next game is a battlefront clone>scratch that we’re redoing Star Fox for the next game >scratch that we’re redoing 64 but with worse controls for the next game(if no one buys this we’re cancelling the series)Could Nintendo really not pick a direction and stick to it?
>>737128185>I CANNOT BERIEVE I HAD TO DERAY ZERDA A WHOLE YEAR BECAUSE OF DEES FUCKING BONGS AND THEIR STOOPID BEARU AND BIRDO, I NEED A FUCKING BREAK.>OH SHITTU, RAT U MEAN DEY NOW MAKKU DER OWN ZERDA? SHITTU! SHITTU! RAT I GOING TO DO NOW?
>>737093206Nintendo didn’t want a major SNES release to potentially outshine their new console
>>737128427meant to quote>>737127717but it's because they had the same people who taught them how to make 3d games and make the chip themselves. They didn't even know it was capable of 3d until a 17 year old kid showed them even their Gameboy could handle 3d.
>>737128185>>737128675>Rare 1995-2001>Perfect Dark, Donkey Kong Country, Banjo-Kazooie, Killter Instinct, Goldeneye, DIDDY KONG RACING, Jet Force Gemini>Rare 2003-2009>Viva Pinata, Kameo>"look_at_how_they_massacred_my_boy.gif"
>>737108862>crash tards still whining about the hottest this character ever looked
>>737128604Nintendo is obsessed with shoving shitty gimmicks into all their games. the only reason why we even got f zero 99 is because they thought a racing battle royal would be funny
I hope adventures is added to nintendo classics soon. I'd love to replay it but not enough to bother finding an emulator and rom
>>737128675He didn’t say that
>>737127506>>737110774
>>737124070>>737124343Fox can't yiff in peace, he needs to pay taxes
>>737128994>output when put into a Japanese internment camp vs>output when treated like a USAID recipient.
>>737126856From what I've heard, but not confirmed, is that the SF stuff was very well done and you can treat the game as if it were a SF game with another team working with team starfox.
>>737072000Star Fox got good here* ftfy Adventures is peak soul sadly for you
>>737129972Reminder that Krystal reminds Fox in Assault that he promised her that they would grow old together. He's not allowed to be upset that he made a de facto marriage proposal by being a dork and not realizing the implications of such a statement.
Fox getting more screen time than Rosalina in her own movie is proof that furries won
>>737129462I recently got my hands on a cheap switch. Planning on using it as a Christmas gift but if Assault or Adventures were available on the store I would be willing to buy them to replay.Couse none of the older games I've looked up are available on the Switch...
>>737130130im scared if they make a starfox movie, when they add krystal new fans will emerge
>>737130130Fox being thrown into a Mario movie concludes a 20+ year long redemption arc. They actually have nothing left now, no more characters to cry about, no more whinging over a 180'd story. No, now they have to blame the developer like they should have from day one.
>>737130376Sonic 4's Amy is proof that the general audience is scared of female furries. They could have fuckin' Rouge the Bat with her fat bat tits swinging heavily and it won't do any damage. The same is true of Krystal in a loincloth with her heavy chest heaving as she tries to control her breathing.
>>737130156Yeah only star fox 1 and 2 and 64 are available on their in-house emulator for classics. All the others are lost until nintendo decides to finally port them. Gamecube games were only added to it last year with switch 2's release so I'm hoping adventures and assault will be added soon to tie in with this star fox movie hype.
>>737130376>>737130464I won't get past of the new game/movie just creating a new character to be the female lead/love interest thing instead
>>737130130Rosalina barely has screen time in her own game.
>>737130464There’s no chance in hell paramount would put fat bat tats on the big screen and if they didn’t sonicfags would just yell at them until they did since they manage to do it once. Tendies are cucks so illuminations could get away with a modest Krystal
>>737130424To be fair to 64tards there’s a massive difference between “moving the series forward” and mutilating a completely different game into an established series.
>>737131091The Virgin HMOAFcuck:>"P-please, it's enough to just see her in a movie, it can even be a cameo, please, just a crumb!!"The Chad Dimensional Merger:>"I WILL GET BAT BOOBIES OR I WILL FIREBOMB YOUR OFFICES AND RAPE YOUR CORPSES"
Assault Wolfen is still the coolest ship.
>>737129972Love this artist
>>737131642its sharp
>>737101497Wasn't Krystal always a fox? Sabre was supposed to be a wolf.
>>737130424Fox didn't really do much besides looking cool for a few minutes. He was inconsequential all things considered.
>>737110919>Sabre was an even 6'>Krystal 5'8
>>737105789>>737107446>Welcome to Sauria, Mr. McCloud
>>737124351Series is better off without Krystal.
>>737111713>ugly bastard PigmaThanks, Namco.
>>737132536He’s literally a pig, anon.
>>737121649SF2 is a cool tech demo but SF64 is an infinitely better game.
>>737117015>Fox turns autistic when talking to womenI hope nintendo keeps this as a character trait.
>>737130424>my post from 10 years ago is still being used to this day.Lol. The more things change, the more they stay the same
What's the better way to play SF64, recomp or decomp?
>>737133057Cartridge on a crt tv.
>>737130464>>737131091I’m pretty sure they just went with Amy because she’s more popular and less “controversial”
>>737133008They'll go with the movie version of the character, discount Nick Wilde.
>>737133113Larper spotted. If you actually want to play the game you'd do it in high res without slowdowns.
>>737132252https://dinosaurplanet.fandom.com/wiki/KrystalKrystal was always a fox. The idea that she was a cat because her old design looked different is a hallucination.
>>737129462Gotta wait until either next month or June, Nintendo wasted April on NES slop
>>737111713>Furtiger Aerospace
>>737076784>likely not doing shit with the IP.The vast majority of cases with dormant IPs boils down to the original devs being unavailable and/or uninterested or a replacement dev being unavailable period
>>737121649Need the full image of liru and mey's n64 portrait those are cute
>>737135671If anyone bothered researching trademark laws they would finally understand why Miyamoto sticks golden child into random games from time to time, especially unrelated ones to the games he's from. He's just not popular enough yet to be made into an official fursuit for Nintendo world like DK.
>>737129462Bro dolphin is literally the most user friendly emulator on the internet. How can you be that lazy it's pathetic.
>>73713305240 year olds going crazy rn
>>737133183>star fox finally gets the first game nintendo actual put money into since assault>the writing is somehow even worse, led by the writers for kid icarus uprising with a shitton of ham-fisted japanese humorA fate worse than death of a franchise.
To me Dinosaur Planet always seemed like a B-team project, whereas Perfect Dark and Tooie were supposed to be the A-team games. Although Rare pretty much always had insane quality because they were competing against each other. Conker was probably a B-team game and it puts almost anything on the N64 library to shame.
>>737130130That’s because he’s Fox McChad
>>737129972>>737130098She's gonna learn the hard truth at some point
>>737131018This, she just tells Mario what to do and he does it. People only hype her up due to her stupid storybook that you have to go out of your way to find on your own.
>>737133008I like this artist, post more.
>>737131642The Command Ships are even cooler despite what people say about the game at least I can appreciate these little details of every character having their own uniquely designed ship and this should become a series mainstay.
>>737136210
>>737138127Nigger they all look like either rejected Lylat Wars arwing designs or rejected Lylat wars enemy ships get real.
>>737136210Enjoy anon
>>737137794
>>737079241what's with old fags from Nintendo once being great but are pure cancer later on? this fag, Miyamoto, tanabe and some other fat that quit last year had a stellar career but ate shit the moment the Wii released
>>737138340>>737138407Godspeed
>>737139172Every single one of them have one thing in common. They start out great but as time progressed and as the man they worked under started preoccupying himself with other things they all started to become:>"familiar with Shigeru Miyamoto's thinking"Which they actually did, but what no one pointed out to them that he was going senile.
>>737139172They're also the only ones who probably still give a shit about star fox at nintendo. With miyamoto gone who would be left to champion star fox?
>>737139172They had to tone down their series to appeal to the casuals at the time.
>>737124343How hard do you have to bite to leave visible marks over fur?
>>737140253>at the timewhat's different now?
>>737133052>2016 was 10 years ago…
>>737140589Nothing which is the problem.
>>737075119>>737121649You think Krystal would be as popular if the games had major female cast members before her?
>>737140832It's the journey, not the destination.
>>737140832Tribal outfit, psychic powers and being the McCloud's lover would've made her stand out. The last bit in particular would make her outshine the rest.
>>737130098when did he promised that ?
>>737126856You can play as Fox for the entire game
>>737140832Kat is much less popular than Krystal and she's from (according to non-fans) the only good game.
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>>737107446Krystal was 100% designed to be in sci-fi suits in future games.
>>737138763>>737138447
>>737086017Nobody in these threads play star fox or even understand star fox hence all the convo about the furry animals for a game series that barely has of 40 minutes in total of cutscenes.
>>737110919>standing on 1 instead of 0
>>737140832Gimmie a Star Vixen Team with these three
Wolfox should be canon in the next game
>>737146963It already is.
Playing this as a kid there was a mandatory "mash A button rapidly" QTE that not I nor my brother nor anybody in my household could pass, softlocking my progression forever. Now I think back on it I wonder if anyone else had this experience? It was pretty early on, around 10% completion
>>737107446I pity your taste.
>>737125683I preferred the Peach game
>>737148745Yup, Test of Strength.It's a major meme with how many thumbs it destroyed.
>>737146406>reintroduce them as their own trio squadron that assists Star Fox throughout the gameWould be kino
>>737072000I don't know why this was so divisive game. To me it seemed like a natural expansion to the series and a cool direction for a spinoff. It's like if people started bitching about luke going to Dagobah and learning to be a jedi and being like WTF HE'S ONLY SUPPOSED TO FLY. And I think dinosaur planet in its original form would have been forgettable. Krystal was rocking the slave leia look. Assault was a natural evolution its just nobody could make a console shooter that wasn't ass back then. And then at some point tendies beat it into their heads that star fox had to be a basic as shit rail shooter with stupid gimmicks (command, zero) in an attempt to have "some" depth. And even if it had to be a space shooter they could have gone the rogue squadron or ace combat direction but they didn't. This and assault were the last times anyone had a vision for this lame series. This is why fox is the smash guy.
>>737138447>>737138763>>737144573>>737147468Is this made by the same guy that's doing AFIS?
>>737149486That's hilarious, I knew it couldn't only be me, how on earth did this make it past internal playtesting lmao. I now have an urge to find it and boot it up on my wii to see if I can beat it using one of these methods
>>737141216I would backhand a woman if ever spoke to me in a manner like this.
>>737140832Amy’s been around since CD yet rouge is still popular
>>737150071The speed you're supposed to reach is based on the speed you start out at. So if you start out slowly, rhythmically tapping the button and slowly increase speed it becomes much more doable.
>>737150171I would shoot her in the head a million times with my laser gun and then kiss wolf...
>>737114682>>737110902Krystal isn't a native to Sauria, she spent most of her life on another planet before it got rekt or some shit
>>737104574>Rare was already turning Krystal into an Egyptian fertility goddess
Is there any room for a game that takes place between Lylat Wars and Adventures?
>>737149841yeah
>>737150770That's incredibly based if true
Does Krystal fuck human men?
>>737150071I used the pen as a kid, but as an adult it's not that bad to do it by hand.There are a few forced "oh shid" moments where the opponent pushes you back no matter how fast you're tapping, and that's the new baseline that you'll have to be tapping against, so it's about as mashing as fast as necessary to push the thingy, but no faster.
>>737072000This and Assault were great and one of the only times the games weren't just an on rails tech demo. And fans hate them. Honestly I understand why Nintendo doesn't give you any more Star Fox games.
>>737151483>Every game up until that point was an on-rails shooter>Make a game that isnt that, after the masterpiece that was SF64>WTF, why do fans hate it!?>Go back to more of a SF64 game with assault>It's just ten levels and only some of those are in the arwing>WTF!? Why do the fans feel lukewarm about it!? (good multiplayer though)The fans just wanted an expanded SF64 style game, that's ya know, good. It isnt fucking rocket science.
>>737148745>Tfw Star Fox Adventures pulls Mario Party minigames out of nowhere
>>737148745>>737149486I was 12 and used an electric tootbrush, removing the brush and putting the flat side of the metal stick against the button.
>>737121886This anon is right. The sleek design from 64 is the best.
>>737147468This is canon btw
>>737149563They could make a them a Furry K-Pop Demon Hunters if they really wanted to.
Man, I always loved the OST of the snes Statfox the most. I just wonder why Nintendo never remade the game, even as a cheap side project or something. I can't imagine it would cost a lot.
>>737094992SF64 is way more tightly designed than Rogue Squadron.
>>737142329>one million year old replyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZYMEjUB_RY0:54
It would be so easy for Nintendo to make Starfox a money printer it's not even funny.>Make new Starfox game based on SF2 (Free travel on world map, adversarial factions)>Include a story campaign where the theme is various mercenary teams getting recruited to team up and fight the threat>Game's core mode is co-op multiplayer as in Space Marine 2, Destiny>Players have the option to literally make their fursona from choices of species, color patterns, outfits>Playing the game grants XP that you use to unlock ship parts, clothing items, fursona features, pilot abilities>Missions have several path options with global modifiers and an encounter table for each mission segment to make them more replayable, mix of rails and all-range>Includes random loot drops for completing each mission segment>Pilots have skill trees to effect ship stats and abilities / maneuvers>Release new maps, missions, items, and cosmetics on a regular basis>Pilots load into a hub spaceport on foot when not in missions to socialize and make use of item/ship vendors>Laugh your way to the bankIt's not even shallow furry bait, just give people a fun co-op starfox game they can play online and you're set.
>>737110919fucking IMAGINE.
>>737153358>R-T2L Wave CannonR-Type reference?
>>737074820Starfox is one of those franchises that has been utterly fucking ruined and defiled by furries.You fucking retards are like a homeless guy jacking off in the corner while we are trying to enjoy a day at the park.I sincerely wish you would keep your retarded furry shit in the containment boards like /trash/ where it belongs. Even literal autistic gamers look down on you.
>>737072000Played it a lot as a kid. I enjoyed it. This is coming from someone who put hundreds of hours into Starfox 64. I still preferred 64
>>737156387I just don't get it. Fox is 18 years old in SF64 and Wolf is James' and Peppy's age (about 40).
>>737152735Meanwhile they can do shit like Mario 35, Mario vs DK GBA remake or Link’s Awakening Remake. It truly baffles how they never remade Star Fox 1 and 2 with an actual fucking frame rate as a double package game. Speaking of 1 + 2 there’s the Mother 1 and 2 remakes on GBA and Advance Wars 1 + 2.
>>737150816It is true, you could tell by the style and everything. He's been at this for like 20 years now lol.
>>737157124Let's see, what have I done in the past 20 years...Ah. Fuck.
>>737157124Oh fuck, I haven't seen that one in a long time. It all makes sense now.
>>737156986Star Fox always had the issue of a being hardware demo series. >Made to show off the super FX>Only a few games ever used the chip series>Made to show off the power of the N64 and rumble pack>Not many games used the rumble pack, and the power of the 64 is well...the power of the N64>Adventures has nice fur textures! >Assault...uhhhhh>Command....uhhhhh, stylus controls? Which was the system's whole gimmick, so....>Zero was made to show prove that the gamepad was a good idea>Years after the wii u launched and most devs barely didn't anything with it anyway...
>>737157284I'm starting to realize the same is true of F-Zero.
>>737157284>>737157352Thank Miyamoto for his tech demo obsession
>>737157124He should just do the rest of AFIS in his old style
>>737157284>Every one of these Nintendo technology demonstrations weren't made by Nintendo. They got away with everything.
>>737157386The thing about Nintendo's old guard is that I do appreciate the leaps and bounds they made with the franchises they loved, but I also absolutely fucking hate Japanese culture's need to be deferential to their elders to such a degree that it has catastrophic consequences. Truly NoJ's board needs a bilingual angry American to cowboy up and tell that old fuck to be less hands-on.PS: Miyamoto appearing at the end of the Twilight Princess reveal is still one of my favorite moments I don't hate you Miyamoto-domo please don't be angry with me gomenasorry!!
>>737157284Say one thing for Assault, the soundtrack is incredible. SF64's arrangements were always made as if played by an orchestra, and their covers in Assault were outstanding.ww.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jba1N3gSTAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCB5jYm8OEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeUNNT7sqT0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzxDFw3HJiAAnd then you had really catchy themes for the multiplayer maps.
Would ripping off Ace Combat save Star Fox?
>>737123229Adding any other Star Fox character before Krystal to Smash would just feel wrong.
>>737157546The Ace Combat team made assault.
>>737157546namco made assault, dingusit's the reason everyone loved that shit's combat and multiplayer
>>73715745364 was made in house and so was Zero.
>>737157568>>737157619Retard-kun...
>>737157568>>737157619>The Ace Combat team "Ace Combat team at home">>737157698>64 was made in house rescaled in house>and so was ZeroPlatinum games, unless you're actually going to tell me that an "entertainment planning" company thought making the same game over and over for some reason needed planning let alone development.
>>737157708I have been cheated and lied too! >>73715787964 was made in house and Platinum only did the graphical assets for Zero.
>>737157124This image must be circa 15 years old.
>>737157937You're based as fuck for using a Glorft reaction image.
>>737158018I mess Megas XLR, but know that if it was brought back today, it would be terrible.
>>737158018>it's a good thing you made the rabbit retire last gameI'M MAD
>>737157937>64 was made in houseThen so was SF2>Platinum only did the graphical assets for Zero.That is literally the only thing that was done differently other than the sound. And Nintendo needed someone at all for it? It's the same fucking shit!
the design documents of the next star fox game could say "ace combat piloting and music mixed with the ground combat, land vehicle controls, and online multiplayer versus of halo 2-3 with multiple routes like in starfox 64 and the option to create custom spacecraft, tanks, and mercenaries using point-buy systems with no in-game microtransactions" and nintendo would still somehow fuck it all up
>>737129169>>crash tards still whining about the hottest this character ever lookedwe get it, you're a blind tard, tawna looks butt ugly in 4
>>737126965Dinosaurs don't have nipples, retard.
>>737074820Did she get SCALED?
>>737072000The appeal of the original Star Fox games hinged entirely on "OH MY GOD THIS IS JUST LIKE HAVING AN ARCADE CABINET IN MY HOUSE." It was a concept with a very definite expiration date.Trying to branch the Star Fox franchise into actual console games (such as Zelda-likes with Starfox Adventures) is what they needed to do to preserve the franchise for the long term. We would probably see more Star Fox games if they had actually stuck to this instead of chickening out and letting them get pinned to being console rail shooters.
>>737161740Reasonable take
>>737161740>The appeal of the original Star Fox games hinged entirely on "OH MY GOD THIS IS JUST LIKE HAVING AN ARCADE CABINET IN MY HOUSE." It was a concept with a very definite expiration date.You're right, and the originals were basically 3D afterburner.That said, what if they went the route of space ace combat?Not in terms of story sure, but in terms of arcadey controls and a free flight model without rails?Think something like a mix between turok evolution's flight mode and original star wars battlefront's space mode.
>>737161740>Wii>Railshooter Console>other devs make their railshooters for it>Starfox?>....Starfox?>Links Crossbow training
>>737072000no
>>737072000>BUT LE POTENTIAL>Miyamoto KILLED Dinosaur Planet!!!!>Dinosaur Planet beta was leaked>while interesting it was bad, SFA, while mediocre, was a refined version of it
>>737123229Sonic not getting a 2nd rep is more egregious at this point I'd say. We need Eggman.
>>737164035>"PREASE NAMCO, MAKKU THE COOLEST STARFOX EVER"- Miyamoto 6 months before the adventure game he wanted so badly was finished.
>>737122157Was keeping the tranny reply in the image really necessary
I was a lust penis
Do you guys think you could completely abandon rail shooting and have free roam all range mode missions?A part of me wonders if you could make a game that kind of resembles Deep Rock Galactic
>>737164904Isn't that just Command again?
>>737164971Kinda? Was Command even that bad besides the janky control scheme?
Except the tacked on final boss.It was funny you took one swing at the villain then suddenly nope it's a starfox fight with Andross. Nice troll.
>>737072000>>737074820Krystal was probably the closest I ever came to being a furryShe had a great design
>>737090123I'm pretty sure this is where the "play as Shiek" rumor came from.
>>737165524No kidding.
>>737101870It had a SuperFX 2 chip on the cartridge, which ran 6 times faster than the SNES itself
I'm glad I never got into star fox, I could have become some disgusting furry who lusts for a blue fox and wears fursuits jacking off to porn of a bird fucking buildings.
>>737170054Nobody hears wear fur suit, we do jack off to some hot blue vans web though… just because you lust over some anthropology character doesn’t mean you have to wear 4000$ suit and draw inflation shit
>>737170242Nobody Here* fuck
>>737170242Hot blue vixen* Goddamn
>>737170242*anthro
Was worth it for this MS Paint comic to be posted here
Is it really wrong for me to be turned on by Krystal? I just want marry vixen women.Especially kemono, not western furry art that shit looks like rancid ass 80% of the time.
>>737170572No, it’s called not being gay. Sadly many people can’t do it these days
>>737146406If only.
Place your bets now, what day in the next two weeks will the next Star Fox game be announced?Note that Japan's "Golden Week" holiday starts on Wednesday the 29th, so not counting weekends, we have seven possible days they could announce it.>Monday the 20th>Tuesday the 21st>Wednesday the 22nd>Thursday the 23rd>Friday the 24th (Day the Super Mario Galaxy movie releases in Japan)>Monday the 27th>Tuesday the 28th
Nintendo Japan is starting to promote our nigga, too
>>737171432Nintendo usually only shadowdrops stuff on Mondays, so it'll either be on the 20th or 27th.
>>737171579>shadowdropsThe game is a new game that releases in June, per Nate. They are NOT shadowdropping lmao.
>>737170242>anthropology character
>>737171743I meant shadowdropping the announcement, not the game.
>>737172168Fair enough, though Mondays are not always the case.Paper Mario and The Origami King was announced on May 14th, 2020, which was a Thursday. Granted, pandemic era, but still.
>>737157518Yeah Assault's soundtrack is glorious. I really hope the next game has a full orchestra again.Then for the multiplayer, go with some hard rock/metal music. For a series where the main character's catch phrase is "Let's rock and roll!" there is surprisingly little rock and roll music in the games.
>>737164458Wtf this is basically perfect
how's my flying NIGGAs
>>737138340I like how this one is actually animated and speaking>>737138407Then you click on this one expecting the same, but its just a JPG, so Fay just stares into your soul
>>7371113244'11" in his original design, which modern Star Fox games unfortunately have reverted back to.
>>737173047>sex:menbunch of queers
>>737173047>152 cm>46 kgWolf and Krystal are so lucky..
>>737138407I want to cum inside this.
>>737157518>>737172527The orchestra instruments themselves sound nice but I am not a fan of the actual songs, both the original tracks and the orchestral arrangement of the 64 songs. The other sounds in assault are pretty bad though both the sound effects and the voice quality which isnt the same as the voice acting.
>>737163782Nintendo put two sin and punishment games on the wii, one made specifically for the wii. I'd hardly call that being lazy.
>>737171743There is no new game. Don't you get it!?
>>737165029Command lacked missions and could have benefitted from a map editor or non campaign levels like advance ward has.
if you want more krystal art and you got a patreon, this guy is doing a poll with krystal in it :https://www.patreon.com/c/mainlinemojo/home?vanity=mainlinemojo
>>737074820Krystal was a net negative for the franchise.
>>737175146You will be proven wrong within twelve days.
>>737157518>>737172527>>737173635The orchestra from the Super Mario Galaxy movie was pretty good too.https://youtu.be/xXvi5hRMnbI?si=h4VIP6erGNgvwCPu
Nothing matters without Buff Slippy.
>>737157518The real instruments don't hit as hard as the synths. There is still no boss battle theme that goes as frantic as Boss B on 64. Maybe Eternity from Blue Dragon matches it for its unhinged factor. Maybe.
>>737175834so about two more weeks?
>>737176895Synthe music is really underrated. Its annoying to be in discussions about star fox assault since the argument i see is usually orchestra=good without actually delving into how the music actually turned out. Assault lacks what I believe is gameplay appropriate music as the music feels too disjointed from the action happening on screen. I really like how games like pikmin 2 has music change slightly depending on what happens in the level which can only really happen with midi music.
>>737150894>human menI've always headcanoned that Humans in StarFox universe are incredibly rare. They're basically an endangered species because Humanity nearly destroyed itself millions of years ago. Nobody trusts them or wants to be near them because they basically destroyed themselves. They are "violent" and "prone to rage."tldr: Humans are like the ancient precursor race that (almost) wiped itself out and now they're endangered and distrusted by all the new furry races around them.
>>737176895nta but for me its this off the assault soundtrack, the composition is just very shorthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6hvYqHArzo
>>737150894Fox on the other hand...
>>737072000I never played it. But I heard a lot of bad rumors about it when it was new
>>737150894Stupid secondary retard.
Krystal and her consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
>>737179234Its melody is weak, dude. It would work fine in a Star Fox movie or TV show, but for a game, it's too jumbled and not assertive enough. It feels like it's constructed from "build-up" parts that never get to the main melody drives home the point. All of the tension is built into individual licks instead of the overall composition.Compare to Boss B's structure. It starts with ominous intro, building tension before suddenly exploding into a call-and-response dynamic that mirrors the SF team's valiant efforts to take down a looming behemoth, eventually devolving into a frenzy of swirling synths.
have you watched HIS movie yet anon?
>>737182657He’s so perfect.. I wish I could transform into Krystal and let him fuck me.
>>737182625I have no idea why Assault used SF64's Corneria theme instead of the original game's Corneria. Most of Assault is a huge miss for most of the reasons you describe, too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyYdm54Nx3s
>>737128994>>737129884Rare's output decline mostly came down to the changing landscape in vidya and games becoming more expensive to make
>>737183183SHUT UP NO ONE ASKED
>>737181093Indeed she kills trillions…
I keep going back and forth on what I think the alleged new game might be (if it exists at all)On the one hand, making it a sequel to Zero would be really silly considering Zero was a game not many people played and never got ported off the WiiU. But on the other hand, making the game take place in the 8 year gap between 64 and Adventures makes the most sense because then you have the most iconic Star Fox team going on a new adventure, which might make it read as a sequel to Zero by accident. But Still, Krystal remains a very popular character so I imagine they would want to use her in the new game meaning it would take place between Assault and Command would make the most sense. But maybe the easiest thing to do would be to set it as a sequel to Zero after all and have Krystal re-introduced to the new continuity. But it's also not really at all common for a failed reboot to get any kind of continuation, Prince of Persia, Ghost Busters and Devil May Cry all returned to the previous continuity after their reboots failed to land, and I can't think of any counter examples when a company doubled down on continuing off of a flop re-boot.
>kills your medal runI hate these niggers so much
>>737176658I used to have this funny headcannon that Slippy was the physically strongest of the Star Fox team.Working on Arwings, hauling heavy equipment, and eating big just causes great strength gains.Would still probably be weaker overall than like Wolf or Panther, and his cardio would suck.But you bet he could out-deadlift the rest of his team.
>>737183738Objectively the most-correct choice is to pretend Command never happened and continue on from Assault. So, naturally, that is NOT what's going to happen.
>>737176658>>737185020As long as he sounds likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Afs2IsFsT0then this is good.
>>737185276According to the developers, Command isn’t canon
It's impossible to make a good Star Fox game because 64 was too perfect. Every game one could make for the franchise will always be in 64's shadow. Adventures was panned because it deviated from 64. Assault was panned because it wasn't enough like 64. Command failed because it was the worst parts of 64. Zero was panned because it was 64, but worse.They fucked up making a perfect game, and are paying the price for it nearly three decades later.
>>737183738Honestly at this point just do the Pikmin 4 thing where it's basically a reboot but it has characters and references to things across the series, even if its not strictly adhering to their lore.
Who else is expecting some kind of subversion from Nintendo? I fear the new game will be something out of left field that no one expected or asked for. Like they will announce a Star Fox themed barista simulator where you sell coffee to Miis, and when pressed for an explanation Miyamoto will say “Actuarry this is more exciting than a rail shooter [raughs]”
>>737183738I think Fox's design in the movie being primarily based on Zero hints that the new game will be a sequel to Zero.DK showed up in the first Mario movie with a new design that was based on his internal redesign we later saw in Mario Kart World and Bananza.Same thing here with Fox, probably. Seeing as Zero was a "reimagining" of SF1/SF64, I can see this being the reimagining of SF2.
>>737149486I just vibrated my whole arm. I grew up with Mario Party and brute-forced Canary Mary (with pausing) back in the day.
>>737187034>Star Fox themed barista simulator where you sell coffee to MiisI'd play it.
>>737074820the tendie brain is just a porn botit can't think of anything except sexlike an animal
>>737189149I am not goonbrained I just think she has a neat design and her voice makes me feel funny.
>>737149486I remember when I replaced through the game like a decade or so ago (wow time flies) and had no trouble with it.I think I did have trouble when I was a kid playing through it though.
>>737187034>Star Fox themed barista simulator where you sell coffee to MiisI'll take anything with fox
>>737138763this was fun
>>737191838this is a different degree of autism
>>737192032this kind of autism is required to be a fan of a series like Star fox that's been neglected for 2 decades.
>>737191838Based
>>737192917After Metroid Prime 4 I think I'm okay with no more Star Fox games. Or F-Zero games, for that matter. The games I visualize in my head are better than whatever it is they'll produce, anyways.
>>737192804plot twist: pic is from fox's pov and they're talking about him
>>737193330>After Metroid Prime 4So what happened with that game? I know people hate that McKenzie guy and the desert, but what else is wrong with it?I never played it.
>>737192804>SF64 rebootCan't because of Zero. Maybe a SF2 reboot following Zero?>building fucking simActually not a bad idea being able to build up Corneria or Zoness. I think building up Sargasso would be dope.>furtniteMuch rather have Assault revamped to be like Halo 3's Forge>MMORPGLiterally will never happen, no one wants to be a Cornerian or space pirate mook... r-right, guys...??>dating simGatchas are proof that people will pay money for .pngs. Just let grok write out your script and make basic bitch binary flowcharts and you're golden.
platonic friendship with Fox McCloud.
>>737072000I'm a furfag and the entire game made me cringe.
>>737193818>Gatchas are proof that people will pay money for .pngsOne of the most devastating summaries I have seen of GatchasGatcha addicts really are pathetic
>>737193763All of the mechanical good will Dread built up was thrown out the window for one of the boring, linear experiences I've ever had the misfortune of experiencing. I think the last time I hated backtracking this much was getting the sniper rifle during the Sniper Wolf boss fight of the original MGS. The hub is designed to just waste the player's time. Remember shitposting about how BotW/TotK recycle enemy assets too much? Same here.I don't give a shit about NPCs or whatever that bullshit was about. I just wanted a game to give me that urge Prime 2 gave and 4 was a half-baked product.
>>737075119>full 3D, cutscenes, vehicles, lots of spaceships and planets.In a fucking console of 3 Mhz. Its a miracle
>>737194152>4 was a half-baked productWhich is wild considering its been in development since like 2018. And that was AFTER a complete development reboot was announced. Think it was first revealed in what, E3 2015? Who knows how long it was in development before then?Metroid was not super hot back then, either. Instead of cutting their losses, they take the financial risk and just restart development while admitting defeat and handing it over to the Americans. And the game STILL sucked.Makes me wonder if this will be the last Prime game ever and they just stick to modest-budget Metroid Dread 2D-like games and remakes.
>>737075119How
>>737075119Star Fox 2 was so ahead of its time. Full 3D environments, realtime map you have to keep track of while on missions, etc.I would not mind a Zero sequel based on SF2.
>>737182625Actually let me write this out because I like doing this with songs:>Intro: Ominous drums, implied synth voice, leading into a held note and snare for tension, as the looming boss arrives and you see it for the first time, and the beat of apprehension, waiting to see what horrors it will unleash...>Then, BAM, the battle explodes!>Single voice representing the SF team, announcing that they're taking the fight to the boss>A wall of instruments respond, announcing that the boss intends to wipe you out>Repeat>The SF team again, regrouping, finding an opening to deal massive damage as the key momentarily switches to a positive major scale>Devolving into a cacophony of whirling instruments as both opponents try to outmaneuver the other>Repeat the whole songIf you can't do this with a track it's probably lacking something. Things tells a story all on its own. Music is the soul of games, it does the storytelling in a way that doesn't detract from the gameplay like overwrought or scripted visuals might.
>>737185020Hey WKD, please draw more Buff Slip.
>>737195618Star Wolf’s theme in Assault had a lot of soul. I once had a MIDI version that I used as my ringtone back in the day.
>>737187034>Like they will announce a Star Fox themed barista simulator where you sell coffee to Miis>Unlocking Wolfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np3BHMR8Kc8
>>737193818>no one wants to be a Cornerian or space pirate mook... r-right, guys...??Are you saying>No one wants to play as a Star Fox character in an MMOor>No one wants to be a fuzzy animal-person living in a society within an interplanetary civilization.Because depending on which, I don't think you're going to like the answer.
>>737196027Yeah they killed it with Star Wolf's theme in Assault.
>>737193941I couldn't handle him, dude is an experienced and ambitious young entrepreneur who kills people for a living. Even if he's not a sociopath, that's just a level of intensity personality-wise that I wouldn't be able to cope with. Same with people who are like, "I'd fuck Beyonce," no nigga Beyonce would fuck you and leave you with a broken manhood, literally and figuratively.
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>>737196027I didn't like it. Too slow. Sorry to be a downer. Best version is Brawl's. I also like SF2's and the OCremix version, Mercenarios De Lobo.I always think of SF64's as the "light" Star Wolf theme, and SF2's as the "dark" Star Wolf theme. The one that everyone knew, and the one that sat in the shadows for a decade...
>>737197051>Furry Gundam/LoGH
^$5Z#737,197,051The sequels storyline is built around a playthrough where wolf dies on fortuna and the bomb goes off. Pigma and L. Kowalski meet doom on Bolse, Andrew survives to escape to another timeline and start a war of revenge. Converting Fortuna awakens the Apparoids, not doing so would have lead to a Sanities Requiem story about ancient leviathans. Either way whale song motif. OUR route was red path and Macbeth. <<<Now post like people communicating with eachother!
>>737197230>OCremix version, Mercenarios De LoboDude I love ZDComposer's remix. Genuinely stellar.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gWbI0WxaHUSuch a shame Surprise Attack! was never remixed for Smash Bros.
>ANOTHER STAR FOX THREAD HITS BUMP LIMITWE ARE SO BACK BROS! SEE YOU AGAIN SOON FOR THE NEW GAME!
it's furover.
>>737193941
see you guys in the next Star Fox thread
>>737183295why's she naked??
>>737197783hell yeah
>>737199015>when the ship rises from the horizonHow did they manage such kino with primitive 3D?
>>737072000Star Fox Adventures, or as I like to call it, The Second Best 3D Zelda On The Gamecube.
