>expecting these boomers to save your video games when they know nothing about video games LMAO. this is going to backfire badly
>>737072074America lost. Europe and gamers won.
Remember how when these threads started getting moved to /pol/, all anti-SKG posters were indian or behind memeflags? And remember how some of those wouldn't stop spamming CP so threads would get removed? Because I remember.
You got your anus torn apart in the last two threads. Still trying?
Serious question, what the fuck is wrong with Americans? How does an entire nation end up so cucked, buckbroken, divided and conquered?
>>737072074>t. ferret fucker
no hate but shouldnt he have cleaned himself up a little before going to parliament?
It's unfortunate that so many other more serious problems came around the same time- Visa/Mastercard ramping up censorship- Age verification (internet ID) laws- Capitalism getting unsustainable as cost-of-living rises and strains proletariatetc. Kind of made the "stop killing games" thing seem silly.
>Europe Echo))))))erm...
>>737072326Internet anonymity’s a helluva drug
>>737072402That is him cleaned up
>>737072402>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO IRON YOUR SHIRTshut the fuck up
>>737072074Who let the mold leave containment?
>>737072402He looks fine, desu. I can’t blame him for not wanting to alter his appearance entirely before the hearing since it’s probably the only thing anyone would talk about if he did. In any case, he looks perfectly respectable here.
>>737072074The unanimous support its getting isn't unexpected really. Ross has a way with people.
>>737072074abahahahahahahahahah he actually looks like that ahahahahahahahaa
>>737072413Is plebbit using watermarks now? You could be in trouble.
Why does an American guy have to lead the world once again?
>>737072074It's actually insane to be a Ross fan since Freeman's Mind and seeing SKG basically die. Now he's explaining video games to geriatric politicians
>>737072778Yurops are too busy shitposting about the US
>>737072649WHO LET THE MOLD OUT!WHO! WHO! WHO! WHO!WHO LET THE MOLD OUT!WHO! WHO! WHO! WHO!
>>737072074Damn, Ross (and other people I watched 20 years ago) are looking older and I don't know how to feel about that.
>>737072790>it's following the most optimistic timeline possible>I-it's dying!Not the sharpest one, are you?
>>737072413Nah, shitting on AAAA is never silly
>>737072402he looks good. Are you talking about his long hair because his facial hair is trimmed. He looks like your typical 40+ year old nerd.
>>737072886you should feel old.
>>737072704>even a kinda goofy looking guy can have the charisma to get shit done Anons who complain about their looks being responsible for their many woes need to dig deeper to understand why no one likes them.
>>737072413>"that foreigner wants your culture to die"
>>737072790As an oldschool Ross fan this is all a giant mid life crisis by Ross to not address THE MOVIE stalling out.I love the guy but thats all this really is in the end. FM2 didn't pan out well, he gets clowned on for his abandonware tier games he has to cheat in, the mold jokes. THE MOVIE was his road out of being a joke and if you have been a fan for a long time you know THE MOVIE is a pipedream. Right when Ross realized THE MOVIE was tanked he went into this hardcore. Yes, he's always been pro-consumer like this but he kicked this focus into overdrive exactly when he mentally made peace with THE MOVIE not happening.
>>737072292It's impressive how difficult they make discussing these topics altogether. It's as if they don't want people uniting on these issues for some reason
>>737072889You're bad at inference. SKG did basically flatline. It's why he made a call out video at the right time, at the right place and jumpstarted the thing all over again. If he didn't this whole thing would have died
>>737072074looks like you're in the barrel today mr freeman
>>737072074Only Jeets are surprised that Europe is taking this seriously enough that they invite the eceleb to state his opinion and asking him why he considers it a serious issue. The fact is, Ross is speaking to them on a spiritual level when he declares a desire for things to be defined with legal language that clearly defines if this is legally allowed or not with no middle ground, instead of leaving things hanging to ambiguous and vague language.Bureaucrats love that shit.
Holy cringe if the initiative fails I'm blaming her
The rickshaw has actually reached Brussels.
>>737072989The comic is not pro-immigration retard, it's making fun of anti-immigration people who don't realize the capitalist ownership class is passively taking wealth generated by them.Immigrants only want to come to western countries because of capitalism in the first place, because USD/Euro is artificially kept better than their currencies, and capitalists want immigrants because it's unironically better for the economy, as it provides cheaper slave labor with lower job security, more consumer demand, higher property values, and higher GDP.
>>737072994he's been talking about this for years, he's only doing it now because he saw an opportunity with the crew being shut down
Anyone got a transcript of what was said?
>>737072413
>>737073186>because USD/Euro is artificially kept better than their currencies3rd world cope
>>737072074>OP makes thread about SKG seethe>Anons collectively call OP a faggot>OP and Falseflaggers ad hominem and attempt to derail>Anons collectively call OP a faggot>OP is so butthurt they proceed to make a new threadI'm starting to believe that its actually industry plants at this point.
>>737073004>implying This is just the nature of bureaucracy. It is a slow process even in the face of something totally obvious because there are ten billion different avenues that have to be navigated. It’s basically a digital circuit that can only be switched by human judgement. If your processor required 50 different people to make even a simple decision before it performed your request, it would take months. And even *then*, there’s still room for error.
>>737073227I know, he's also been talking about THE MOVIE for years. He doesn't talk about it much anymore ever notice that?I love Ross but you know I'm right. This is the guy that moved to Poland from Pennsylvania after 1 fan emailed him. The things he does are highly autistic AND he's willing to settle immediately. This is a cover for no THE MOVIE.
>>737072985I mean he's rich and famous, he can be ugly. You really don't understand how poor people live (luckily for you).
>>737073241I imagine there is a vod, it got streamed today.No idea where tho.
>>737072074Half of people sitting there were elite gamers compared to most of /v/
>>737073351>WAAAAH IM POORRRRR WAAAAAAAAAH IM UGLYH WHY WONT GOD GIMME MORE MONEY MORE LOOKS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH MY LIFE IS SOOOOO HARD WAAAAAAAAAAAAHgrow up dude holy shit lol
>>737073351Yeah, that’s true. It takes a special kind of someone to pull themselves out of that situation.
>>737073282>I'm starting to believe that its actually industry plants at this point.it absofuckinglutely is and they're not even hiding it
>>737073372>>737073241https://control.eup.glcloud.eu/content-manager/content-page/20260416-1100-COMMITTEE-IMCO-JURI-PETI?audio=en&lang=en&logo=true&multicast=trueHere's one that's about an hour long
>>737073156looks like gina valentina with down syndrome, I'd still rail her
>>737072413The foreigner should have billions in fraudulent government support on his side for the picture to make sense.
>>737073570What you wrote doesn’t even make sense.
>>737072326>You got your anus torn aparthe's into that
>>737072413>>737073641Pathways confirms that immigrants get free housing and money, and that is a propaganda game supposed to make the government look good
>>737072292>all anti-SKG posters were indian or behind memeflags?but if a thread gets moved from a non-flag board to a flag board, all the previous posts would be displayed under "unknown" flags
They're doing the smart thinginstead of educating boomers on how to preserve games, they're just helping the boomers understand that publishers are basically circumventing customer protection laws by way of technicalities.
>>737073857>free housing and money How much exactly is the money they get and what kind of “free housing” are we talking about? Living in a room the size of a closet and getting $350 USD a month is enough to only keep a person alive. The government can easily afford millions of people under those conditions.
All that work, whining and mold and where did you get all of you? Nowhere. lmao.
>>737074210it might not seem like it, but he's already won, His entire goal was to get the mold in the parliament, which requires him being there physically.It's finally spreading
>>737073857You mean the game that tells you the government will arrest you for trying to inform yourself on social issues on the internet? That game?I think you are underestimating just how dumb (or devious) were the bongs that made this game, and what "making the government look good" means to them.
>>737074140Who cares? They shouldn't be receiving those at all.
Corporate exit scams are based, right fellow gamers?
>>737074261>Even as we type this now, the fungus amongus spreads it's roots deeper into the government.WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 PETITIONS?!?
>>737074140>Living in a room the size of a closetThey're literally living in 4-star hotels while getting free food from the hotelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujcxEXZbaCQ
>>737074324You're right. It's native born brits that should be shoved into those flammable shoeboxes instead.
>>737074405This is better than my shitty studio apartment. Fuck me in the ass.
>>737074418or deport them all and cut taxes.
>>737073282I saw on twitter that literal bots were just parsing random analogies to try and "argue" SKG. It's definitely real.
>>737072074>moldman's beard is getting grey hairsbros...
>>737074140>enough to only keep a person aliveMeanwhile I have to work or die in Eastern Europe (immigrants are getting more money for free than the average salary...)
It's going to be thrown out of parliament due to vague usages of terms, isn't it? I called that shit years ago and instead of fixing it you faggots kept calling me a corporate shill.
So did we win or not?
>>737074418>>737074405
>>737074585>vague usage of terms'Give your customers the tools to keep their games running when you no longer want to support it' isn't vague you kike
>>737074603EU parliament broadly agreed with him so probably
>>737074471Or keep them around so they do the shitty jobs that you won’t do? The government already know native Brits feel entitled to a better lifestyle than imported brown people; the pressure isn’t on (You) to go out and find a shit job to keep yourself alive.
>>737072074>Ross is some loser on YouTube he won't make a difference >SKG is just some fad it won't go anywhere>SKG will be ignored by the government it won't get any bigger >The government is just humoring Ross, they won't do anything >Ross doesn't understand videogames he won't be able to save them(YOU ARE HERE)>The government regulating games is bad they'll just mess it up>Passing a law won't make a difference it won't come to America >Corporations won't follow this new law passed by the American Government they'll just ignore it >Owning games is actually a bad thing people don't know what to do with that kind of freedom
>>737074636Define "customers", "tools", "running" and "support" in holistically in the context of that sentence.
>>737074585As they've said 100000 times, the vague terms are a GOOD thing for getting through parliament because they can come to a solution instead of asking for something extremely specific
>>737074460Looks like a studio apartment to me.
>>737074739That's not how laws or bills are passed. If anything it makes you come across as some kind of LARPer trying to get attention.
>>737074585Of course. They want huge sweeping changes to the industry but can't explain exactly how to do it. This will be dismissed and then the cope begins.
>>737072582this cracked me up more than it should have
I think the reason there are so many people who are anti-SKG on /v/ is that this entire site has been programmed to not even WANT good things to happen. TORtanic was one of the worst poisons to happen to 4chan. People got a high out of laughing at failure, and ever since it's all people here can chase. The concept of good things just possibly happening is totally alien.
>>737074585>vague usages of termsRetard, it's simple>>737074505
>>737074585Most likely, yes. What really didn't help it's optics was it being slammed against 3 different global topic issues that made it come across as a bunch of autistic manchildren sperging out. I mean, that's basically what it was from the get-go but it really does shine a stark contrast on how meaningless it is when most of the European continent right now is trying to figure out how to deal with Russia and Iran having missiles that can hit any city in their continent.
>>737074779>That's not how laws or bills are passed.you're an expert it seemsplease feel free to dox yourself in order to show us proof of your expertise on the matter
>>737072885Where this gets legitly funny, is the fact that Offbrand games publicly distanced themselves from dumbfuck Pirate and everything flapping from his gums on the topic of SKG.
>>737074779He has several organizers and legal experts joining him that disagree with you and believe it has a very good chance
>tfw try to make a game and run out of money, have to pull the plug>tell team to execute the EOL plan, the servers must be freed>can't afford to pay devs to do it, they refuse and leave>go to jail for a video game nobody plays
>>737074867reddit also hates SKG but that doesn't fit your narrative.
>>737075001Show me their "hate" for it.
>>737074921>it's optics>it is opticsGOOD MORNING SAARHIIIIII DEEAAAARRR
>>737073186>Immigrants only want to come to western countries because of capitalism in the first placein america its not capitalism they are coming for, its money and a decent life because we fucked over their homeland with psyops, arming gangs and cartels, and couping their leadership. like how there was a migrant caravan of poor people from south america after we put heavier sanctions on Venezuela and dumped oil into the market to lower the cost of gas. Or how after NAFTA, it forced mexican farmers to compete against heavily subsidized american crops, so their workers went north because we basically collapsed their farming industry.
as long as this shit hurts gacha games as much as it possibly can ill he happy
>>737074867The nature of anonymity lends itself to many, many retards saying many, many retarded things. Unlike Ross, however, they are speaking into a void. A thousand bad opinions doesn’t outweigh a good one. Anons making threads attempting to discredit SKG are literally just wasting time kek
>>737074921You people are getting increasingly nervous that this shit is actually going to win, and a law will get passed. You might actually have something good happen in life, and you can't stand it.
>>737074973>Make a game with there being clear regulations on how to do it>Can just release the server hosting software and tell people to set them up>Don't do this cause you wanna make people's purchases useless
>>737074927>>737074956You guys can't even define how you would force a company to keep a game playable save for straight up releasing the source code to host servers for the game. That's not even going into how a lot of online games need their own host server to even function properly. So what? Is every game company that releases an online game going to have to both release the source code for said game AND permanently host the server? Hell you faggots can't even define what kind of consumer protection you even fucking want from this. The bill is the legal equivalent to a 15 year old writing about how we need to stop climate change. It's empty platitudes at best and completely ineffective.
>>737074867Everybody here agrees with the initiative except for Babel Media
>>737074661>>Or keep them around so they do the shitty jobs that you won’t do?Dude I can't even get a fucking "shitty" job because the EU is paying for people to hire them instead...
>>737075150SKG is not retroactive. This would simply force game developers to not develop games in a destructive capacity. This was done years ago for decades, and can be done again.
My favorite part about this whole escapade is when the "developers" come out and>I understand your frustration but please realise how prohibitively complicated it is for us to ship our microservice architecture backend that runs on kafka and mysql and s3 and elasticsearch and fifteen different services running in kubernetes to make it able to run on your machineAnd>B-but the cheat detection!Yeah that's the point dickhead. No one ever asked for any of this.>B-but we have a right to-Yeah that's why the laws are being changed.
>>737075037Redeem the card SAAARRRRRR!>>737075112By all means, keep at it. This has been the longest going shitshow with infinite salt to mine in a while. The Pirate Software vs. Mold Guy stuff was fucking hilarious. Whether it passes or not, I've already gotten a lot of joy out of it.
>>737075150did you really never play a game with a server browser?man underage shartyfags are something else
>>737072074Let's pray our Jesus Ross
>>737075150>Take game>Remove online features >Replace with offline features >Put game in public repository for others to downloadI can't believe retards like you keep trying SO hard to misinterpret extremely easy concepts
>>737075182Honestly, I highly fucking doubt this.
>>737073938Upon understanding that contradiction, you now need to ask just who exactly was the one spamming CP. Was it really the Anti SKG, or was it the "Pro" SKG, spamming CP in false flag faggotry in order to make their side unquestionable on moral principle?
>>737075253So you are exactly like this. >>737074867
>>737075296So what happens in cases like Destiny 2 where the original game is supplemented completely by it's sequel?
>>737074779Look at la-dee-da mister lawmaker over here. You don't know shit about fuck, faggot.>>737075150There it is. The same old tired shit repeated ad nauseam.
>>737073529Can also switch audio language to English and you'll get the English transcription produced by the official translators employed by the EU to transliterate for the Parliament speakers. Actual professional transliterators that are under legally binding oath to provide authentic translations - aka the anti-thesis of the common game-localizer.Really helps in translating the German, French, Italian, Spanish, etc. and reveal that basically the entire Parliament is telling the Commission to GET THEIR FUCKING ACT TOGETHER AND LEGISLATE THIS SHIT PROPERLY.
>>737075031>Hard to not feel like every Stop Killing Games thread is getting brigaded as soon as it's posted.>Every time there is a post, it's just a bunch of people criticizing the movement in the most inane way. This time, it's about his looks because... I guess that now it's getting traction, they can't say that it's going to "fail for sure" or that "Ross has no idea what he's doing".>Comments gets better as the post ages, but the fact that it's always the first comments make me think that there are people that are solely watching for SKG posts to try to discredit the movement.>EDIT: seems like a lot of those comments have been cleaned up by the mods now, in case you're wondering what the hell I was talking about.That was the top comment in the latest big SKG reddit thread. The comments were a shitfest of infighting and criticism of SKG before the mods swooped in and saved the day to push the SKG agenda.
Why is there an obvious bot in the thread?
>>737075475>just one
>>737072402He just needs a shirt that fits better, but knowing his cheap-ass tendencies he probably got that one on sale.
>>737075475Ice cream? I love ice cream!
>>737075475The movement needs artificial traction to keep it's inertia.
>>737074510No reason for alarm. He is simply entering the natural process of 'gandalfing' - soon he will develop actual powers of magical subterfuge.After that he will start developing the uncanny necessity to dress in all-whites, indicating an upgrade of his power levels.
>>737075475Be glad the shills aren't spamming cp in these threads like they used to
>>737072074ridley scott looks like that?
>>737075351All content paid for needs to be made available to play offline
>>737075475Money
>>737072074Is this Ridley Scott?
>>737072074Who are you quoting?
>>737075085One of the government-reps literally cited concern over the state of affairs in mobile gaming with lootboxes, etc. to which one of the SKG legal experts replied that their home country Spain is already in an advanced state of legislating on that topic and that the EU could take a look at that material for inspiration on how to solve the issue.So yeah- that's happening. 110%.
>>737075341Are you fucking retarded? Various mafia/politician's family companies get gibs to a) import migrants, b) "employ" migrants. Then the companies that employ them get tax breaks etc and they get bonuses (part of the salary or full salary for them) paid by the EU funds. Then what happens is that they "hire" migrants that obviously don't want to work, they're just there to collect the paycheck and bring it back home to Nepal/Thailand/wherever and they don't give a shit about the job. So if you have any kind of a job that isn't fucking president of the universe nepo baby bullshit job, you're forced to watch useless sacks of rotten diseased meat just sitting around and jerking off on their phones all day, who can't fucking speak any language known the man, and if you complain you're racist and they'll fire you instead (they'll never fire them because they're a source of free money). And this is in Eastern Europe that was 99.9% White until a few years ago.
>>737074603Not set in stone yet, even though the parliament agrees with us. This is why the poos are still in overdrive, feverishly grasping for any straws that might somehow manage to sabotage it. The final answer should come within the next 3 months, so you can expect daily spam threads for that long, reeeing about how to this is totally communism and a whole lot of other shitflinging trying to discredit it.>>737074585good morning sirThe terms are vague on purpose because an ECI petition is not a lawdraft and it's up to the commission to word whatever legislation that might come from this. But you already knew that you cow fucking, curry stinking cretin.
>>737072074Wow, he actually did it. He made it all the way to parliament. Hoping for the best.
>>7370754751. The SKG movement is mainly dominated by actual autistic people who don't understand how to debate or talk to people so a lot of them have just decided to use bots to flood replies and comments sections with artificial support because they don't know how to respond.2. In their eyes, actually making movement in the legal atmosphere isn't actually the point. The point for them at this stage is to just use it as a bludgeon against anyone they boogeyman (see in this very thread how often they resort to namecalling and outright accusations.)3. The Pirate Software controversy completely overshadowed the bill and because of that there isn't much attention or activity behind the bill beyond the aforementioned autists so they need bots to make it look like it's more popular on here than it is despite the fact that this site is mostly used by Americans and not Europeans.
>>737075792I'm watching the bit where he speaks.His content is good.But oh goooood the fumblingThe spaghetti
Where's the next Freeman's Mind episode? He will die of old age before reaching Episode 2.
>>737075475The industries with their mass produced slop can't afford for things like SKG to pass. Bots & browns (hopefully paid?) are utilized to steer discussion away from the movement at all costs.
>>737075772
>>737075778It will be dismissed and you will cope.
>>737075772What kind of job are you trying to get, anon?
>>737072074They're too busy trying to import 60 gorillian Indians and 60 billion dollarinos to Ukraine, what makes people think they'll give a shit about saving Ubisoft's the crew. This is like when game theory gave the Pope a copy of undertale
>>737073351He's not rich and his fame is a couple thousand people watching youtube. Dude is eating canned food most of the time.
Why do companies get angry when you decide to actually use democracy for its intended purpose instead of just blindly electing retards who don’t give a shit about you?
>>737075778I don't even understand what these retarded shills expect us to do if we somehow got convinced by them
>>737075469This to me just looks like companies are financing a lot of shills to talk shit about SKG on 4chan and Reddit (and probably also Twitter).
>>737076113Because they don't want you to really "vote," or "vote with your wallet," or do anything, ultimately. They want to keep fucking you in the ass, and just tell you those things, because for years, none of that stuff actually accomplished anything.
>>737072292Do you remember the general rules about begging and advertising? That also applies to SKG petitions.
Pro immigration people hate ICE, pro immigration people hate themselves.
>>737074712It's already been pre-defined in 93/13/EEC that is right now fucking Ubisoft in the ass in a national lawsuit, lil' shilly.
>>737072402That is him cleaned up.
>>737076136The point is to break up any discussion altogether. The idea of people talking about SKG and its implications is dangerous to them. If you flood these threads with endless nonsensical shitposts no one will be able to talk about the actual topic of the thread. Whoops! mods pruned/moved it off of /v/ thats too bad
>>737072956Maybe getting a haircut and a shave.
>>737076294I see
>>737075158If I were to go looking into their board composition I would find a particular inclination favoring certain ethnical aligned nose profiles, wouldn't I?
>>737072413>other more serious problemsnot MY problem
>>737076113They want the customer... sorry, consumer, broken and blindly spending when they tell him to, without any capacity for criticism or indipendent thought.This goes against everything they tried to build, if the consumer dares to think he can actually change things in his favour, who knows what else he may demand!
>>737072074The amount of shills scared shitless of him is hilarious
>remember Ross ended his career at Machinima because the company has been predatory and shitty to work with>creator of Gman Squad and CS for Kids also uploaded a video about his shitty experiences with Machinimahttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/QuF7vX3b9F0Machinima gave us the best Source creators with Ross, Djy and Xan.
>>737076262Peepee and poopoo are good sources of collagen fibers and prevent aging.
>>737076363Not this time
>>737076205Or many people disagree with you.
>>737076385The thought that he may unironically lives rent free in the head of many CEOs of gaming companies is hysterical.
>>737076480So far they have been unable to articulate their disagreement beyond strawmen or statements that showcase technical illiteracy.
>>737072956probably his horrid hair that he should have fixed with a haircult and his awfully fitting shirt that makes him look like a 13 year old boy going to prom alone.
>>737076294Its why you're seeing shilling for immigrants or whining about capitalism all over the place. It doesn't matter what the topic is, so long as it breaks up discussion.
>>737076461>native
>>737072413>Kind of made the "stop killing games" thing seem silly.Oh man, you're right. May as well pack it up. Government can only handle one thing at a time.
>>737076495There 100% are multiple people at Ubisoft shidding and farding themselves every day over this. "IT WAS JUST THE FUCKING CREW! YOU KNOW WE MADE A SEQUEL, RIGHT? COME THE FUCK ON."
>>737074585EU commission literally said that it being vague is a good thing and literally cites it as an example of how to correctly write an ECI in their site.ECI is only to call point out what needs to be solved, it's supposed to be vague, the solutions discussed after are where it becomes specific.
>>737076447You should get a job, the revolutionary larp isn't cool anymore.
i imagine the lady from behind like, what does it mean a game killed, and heck is a server, anyway sounds dangerous i will prohibit it
Tbh calling the movement stop killing games was a mistake. Should've made it more general like stop killing software, and then included shit like Adobe deleting Animate from people's license subscriptions and locking them out of their projects.
>>737076480If the opposition was genuine you would see actual discussion, not bad faith arguments repeated at nauseum no matter how many times it gets explained, and on Reddit you would see threads made both pro and against, not just pro threads immediately sieged by people against (almost as if to them not talking about this at all is better than talking badly).
>>737076480>Every time there is a post, it's just a bunch of people criticizing the movement in the most inane way. This time, it's about his looks because... I guess that now it's getting traction, they can't say that it's going to "fail for sure" or that "Ross has no idea what he's doingRight, they disagree so hard they started shitposting about Ross' looks. Fucking pooshills, man. How could you be so bad at your one job?
>>737076624You're talking to someone that's posting specifically to farm engagement and get paid per post. Please stop.
>>737076635Look at this illiterate fuck right here. Can't even shit out a sentence, but he NEEDS to argue against his own rights and hope for a future where he has less.
>>737076552He looks like an average politician. Literally.
>>737075085god bless
>>737076647I doubt that inviting google to sic $999999999 worth of lobbyists on your ass is going to help.
>>737076557Other topics come up here because there is nothing to discuss about SKG. They have no model for how any of it will work.
>>737076731he does not
>>737076647Ross talked about this. He's in favor of that but he felt like taking on Adobe, Microsoft and all the other companies who have a stake in SaaS would've made this 10x harder. I think he's probably right
>>737072074The girl that tried to cram as many gaming references as she could into her speech have me sectioned heather embarrassment.
>>737073186>>737072413>the tankie is back
>>737076461>95% of anti-SKG posts originate from a basement full of indians
>>737076647Ehh, it would have been less focused and companies like Adobe would have taken him seriously from the start.This way you give the EU a framework to regulate all software disguised as provision for just games.
>>737076631Injecting a syringe full of air into your vein will increase your oxygen and works as a great pre-workout supplement.
>>737076136It's about swaying public opinion by any means necessary, no matter how desperate.Contrary what the memes say, some anons do have something resembling a life on the side and those anons occasionally talk to other people. Who in turn talk to other people, who... you get the idea. The poos don't want those anons to talk about SKG outside 4channel because that could give people dangerous ideas like supporting the cause so they try to drown out discussion and do whatever they can to smear it.
>>737076623Ubisoft actually did cave in and make the crew playable offline. They're scared shitless of the lawsuits that are coming
>>737076782Uh oh. The bot glitched.
>>737076789It's one dude that just sits in these threads spamming his chapotraphouse 2015 takes, shilling communism and telling everyone how immigration is good instead of bad. Just filter them tbdesu.
>>737076678>Right, they disagree so hard they started shitposting about Ross' looks.No, there was plenty of real criticism in that reddit thread but like a good SKG shill he ignores it and strawmans it all into just calling Ross ugly so the mods can get to work.
>>737076776He absolutely does, kek. They all look like middle-aged adults in conservative attire.
>>737076883Sure.Care to post some of that "legitimate criticism"?
>>737076778Adobe are gigantic cunts in general and I don't blame anyone not wanting to pick a fight with them.
>>737072074Is it bad that I want SKG to fail purely because I find his looks repulsive?
>>737076837I don't even know what you are talking about, get help commie schizo and go outside.
>>737076940Yes.What are you, gay?
>>737076927I assume it's the classic, "My five person dev team indie MMO can't sustain itself forever! This will kill indie gaming!"
>>737076294>>737076113They dont. This would help them make slop. Do you genuinely think the EU would force major international game publishers to maintain servers without the industry negotiating government subsidy for it? You're going to see low budget single player games with battle passes and online connectivity more than ever because they will be milking government aid for keeping up the server. Hell, if they really hated it they would point out how many they employ to keep a server up right now and how many would be laid off with government mandates. No, they want SKG because it makes tax payers pay for their development even more than usual without any sort of guarantee of success or quality.
>>737072413you see it now days because of more sophisticated infrastructure, from the very beginning of the web in the 90s there have always been people with desire of control, but would not just be even if you want it... now with more centralization and more compute power they can start to make it happen
>>737076940>When the wise man points to the stars the foolish man looks at the finger.
>>737076940extremely effeminate mindset
>>737076940>admitting to being the most shallow of failed normalfags
>>737076294what saddens me a bit is that the shills trying to derail and flood the thread do so in detriment of their own interests, for pennieslike my man, why sell yourself like that?
>>737072402is a viking
>>737076991Yeah, I know, I just want him to make an ass out of himself by either ignoring me or posting shit already discussed at nauseum.
>>737076927I've spoonfed you enough. Go search stop killing games over there and hope the mods haven't cleaned up the thread yet.
>>737076997Look at this schizobabble. Literally can't comprehend devs, early in development, adding a, "play offline" feature.
>>737072402He put a shirt on, that's clean enough
>>737076997>maintain serversThere is that lie again.
>>737076946To perform a stretching maneuver that will relieve all muscle tension prior to exercising, place your head between your legs and take a deep breath while attempting to roll forwards without tumbling. Begin breathing heavinly for a count of 20 breaths before letting go and crab walking for about 4 meters.
>>737076871Did they really? I hear months ago they were gonna do it, but they got sued recently. Looking up there is an unofficial patch that only works on PC, so the console players still got scammed
>>737076997Just give the server tools to the players so they can host and pay for it themselves. Or better yet just charge for the server hosting tools and make some money off on the side.
>>737077084They received new talking points, now it's "Companies will demand subsidies from EU to comply with SKG influenced regulations".
God I can't wait for these old cunts to swat down this stupid entitled bullshitI don't have strong feelings either way on software licensing, I'm just sick of all these retarded kids flooding my socials with this crapIt's "say word money stolen" levels of delusion.
>>737077092I accept your concession
>>737073857>video game said so!jesus christ i share a board with these people
>>737076997what the fuck are you on about, retard?>hurr durr they have to maintain server FOREVERyou fucking retard
>>737072131>>737072384>>737072413>>737072778>>737073186How does it feel to lose? Spending months and countless hours on your pitiful demoralization campaign using devide and conquer tactics (and failing) seething and foaming at the mouth, playing all sides, replying to yourself, making it political, smearing, trying to hurt innocent people you never met only to just fucking lose lol. Good prevails. And evil losers like you always lose.
>>737077143Nigger.
>>737077162>only /v/ is negative!>look at reddit>doesn't count!Yes you did lose.
>>737076935Yup. The good news is it's a very small leap from what SKG is doing to actually preventing some of the bullshit Adobe is doing. So if SKG gets some legal groundwork it may roll back some of the insanity of the last few decades
>>737077143You can't spell the word nigger without carbon monoxide.
>>737077182You just got baited into giving a shill more money.
>>737077163>rape gangs good>>737077143kill yourself
>>737077092>Show.me.their "hate for it">Ok, see this: Every time there is a post, it's just a bunch of people criticizing the movement in the most inane way>so it is a bunch of shills shitposting in bad faith there too>Nuh uh, there's legitmate criticism!>such as....?>Uh......IVE SPOONFED YOU ENOUGH!!!!again, how can you curryniggers be this dogshit at your one job. Even AI can do better than this
This kills the shill.
>>737077124>Give me your server code!No. It's mine. Fuck off.>But I paid!To run the client. This was made clear multiple times on the purchase page and in multiple agreements you signed.>But I want to run the game without your permission! I need the server to do that!Too bad, it's my copyrighted IP, I get to decide what happens to it. Your rights as a consumer don't trump my property rights.
>>737076935The gaming industry will pull all software license sellers into this as defense. If SKG thinks the gaming industry will sit back and allow only their industry to be regulated (unfair) they are very naive.
>>737077331>he voted for Donald Trump everyone point and laugh
>>737077314>it's just a bunch of people criticizing the movement in the most inane wayaccording to SKG shill. You forgot that part.
>>737077351Awesome.
>>737073857she looks like she secretly fucks undocumented african bvlls
>>737073938Because after the thread got moved, all anti-SKG posters that kept posting were indian or under memeflags.>>737075343Good morning saar do not redeem the child porn basterd bitch!
Friendly reminder that most of the good things happening in gaming now happen within communities by community-driven projects that often aren't for profit at all. Modders regularly produce better expansions for games than any official DLC, and often add features and updates to games that exceed any official remaster. Half the games that release on PC are borderline unplayable unless you consult the community-driven PC gaming wiki and download community-made mods and patches to make them function passably at all. Ship of Harkinian is a more full-featured port of OoT than Nintendo will ever produce, RE4 HD Project is a better remaster than Capcom will ever produce, RE Classic Rebirth is a better version of RE1 than Capcom will ever produce, etc. etc.
>>737072402He looks fine to me. Sure, not exactly parliamentary but atleast he isn't fucking bald.
>>737076873Nah, semi organic sleepy autocorrect failure. Phone posting ain't my friend at this hour. It was supposed to be: "gave me second hand embarrassment". Sorry for that. At least this is 4chan not European parliament so I don't bring shame to my nation.
>>737077371>>737077331you have to wait a few more seconds for it to not look like samefagging
>>737077351They're going to be fighting people that can spend hundreds of hours farming an item in a videogame or parsing thousands of lines of code to reverse-engineer a server. The absolute worst thing a corporate boomer can do is underestimate autism and they are supremely arrogant.
>>737077371Considering the number of people that just responded "nigger" with no other context I'd say supporters of this are plenty MAGA
>>737077227Nope, didn't say that, I said that companies already pay for shills /here/, so they almost certainly also paid for shills on reddit.On the other hand you failed to provide the "valid criticism" you claimed existed earlier.As I said, I accept your concession.
>>737074603you will be notified in 2 years, and if theres not a referendum
>>737077426Good Luck :)
>>737077461>Retard SKG stan can't confirm samefaglurk more before posting
If these threads weren't being brigaded what would we be talking about?
>>737077414>according to SKG shill.And yet you're the one who cited this SKG shill and still cant find any of this "legitimate criticism"
>>737077501>Nope, didn't say thatRead the reply chain next time.
>>737077532Sorry, I will own something and be quite happy>>737077471based
>>737077516Thanks.
>>737077557About which one of the game dungeon episodes if your favorite?
>>737077557Scott's plans to further spread the Mold.
>>737077557I would be fapping to photographs of my dead grandpa
>>737072402He looks like a perfectly ordinary kraut dork in business casual. If I had to negotiate with yureptoids in the name of freedom and justice in gaming, I'd do the same thing.
>>737077471>only le hecking based MIGAbros say nigger! we are very brave! legalize comedy!!!!jesus christ are you actually stuck under a rock? literally everyone says this shit online when they are anonymous and left leaning people will even publicly make fun of women and other races and shit. dark woke is in, nigga
Nigger here; why can't wypipo just get along?
>>737077557uh.....SKG has no plan or solution to discuss to nothing at all.
>>737076363No, those ethnically aligned people are the ones hiring Babel.
>>737072994>>737073227>>737072994>>737073345I'm sorry folks but what in god's name is """"THE MOVIE"""Is this a video like the one he made about a game engine where you could import the assets of a game you just played (???) where he just goes on an autistic ramble session about some shit he thought would be cool?
>>737077651he looks like a piratebay developer. kraut politicians do not look like this
>>737077654Cardboard ayatollah status?
>>737072074160IQ Aryan beast changing gaming history while /v/ seethes impotently about itRossGODS how are we feeling today?
>>737077586>No, there was plenty of real criticism in that reddit thread but like a good SKG shill he ignores it and strawmans it all into just calling Ross ugly so the mods can get to work.>Sure.>Care to post some of that "legitimate criticism"?Holy projection.I know indians are bad at this, but this bad?How much do they pay you, I'm curious.
this shit has never really mattered that much to me as I hate online only slop and the people that consume it
>>737072402He looks like an elder tech wizard. It'll lend some gravitas to his words
>>737077331Your [Intellectual] Property rights are not innate, it is merely a temporary luxury granted to you as a means to an end to encourage innovation, as stated in the Copyright Clause of the US constitution.Those rights can and should be taken away if it gets in the way of fostering innovation or consumer rights.
>>737077747Feels like victory.
Post the Road Dahl quote Ross / Pirate image. "Good thoughts" or something
>>737073186Most Dunning-Kruger post I've seen on this website so far
>>737077654>Tries to deny being a trumper>Immediately reveals they are in fact heavily right wingretard
>>737077728kraut politican herewe all look like this. also, i eat currywurst
please EU solve this nonissue for us like you did with internet cookies and ossifying electronics connectors
>>737075150>>737075150>The bill is the legal equivalent to a 15 year old writing about how we need to stop climate change.this is what i do really perceive from all of these, as games would be animals and we need to start classify them from vulnerable of extinction to stable condition
>>737077754>Surely game developers wouldn't continue to push this as far as possible to people who would never want to experience
>it's such a non-issue that I'm going to come into every thread dedicated to it to tell them how much of a non-issue it is
>>737073186if a robber lights a fire in your home, do you put out the fire or do you chase the robber?this post is a metaphor.the "capitalist" (read: jewish) class are the robber, and the fire is niggers
>>737076940You definitely should feel bad for using such horrid bait.
>>737077813>Consumer rights as I imagine them should supercede basic property rights Congrats: you're retardedThankfully no politician would ever go along with thatWhich is what people have been trying to tell you since the petition was first written
>>737076229>wannabe mod doesn't actually understand rules
>>737077931>Anti-SKG>Clearly an ESL mongoloid>Doesn't even have a clue what the movement is about>Just has to come in and be against it, because they love corporate dick THAT much
>>737077948>slippery slope wow
>>737075961ANY idiot.
>>737077802I know you kids are treating this like a cult but be real for just one second please He doesn't look like Wozniak, he looks like a homeless man.
>>737077963Of course.Don't you ever enter random threads on /v/ and post "I don't care about this"?Everyone is always very interested in knowing what you think.
>>737078047>fallacy fallacywow
>>737078013Intellectual Property rights are not innate basic property rights.Read the Constitution
>>737078013consumers who purchase property have rights to that property.i hope that clears up your total misunderstanding.
>>737078038>Doesn't even have a clue what the movement is aboutnobody does because it's very vague.
>>737077963at least the jeets got some new material for their obvious spam
>>737076107Ok king so you can give me everything he has right, since you have at least 1000 that much?
>>737078047It's not a slippery slope when the companies are saying they are going to do this shit right to your face.
>>737077874BRO WHERE THE FUCK CAN I FIND CURRYWURST IN HOUSTON, TX I'M DYIN OVER HERE
>>737078089But Wozniak looked like a homeless man?
>>737078149>ubislopNot helping your argument.
>>737078129No it's not.
>>737078149it's a slippery slope when you give the government a pass to babysit your games
>>737072989Millennia ackshually, it's just that dialing down the racism is less effective than doubling down.
>>737077163Way to miss the point retard. Even the left-wing uk government, who would be dispelling claims like free money and free housing, if they were to lie, ended up saying "no that is actually true".
>>737078181Okay how about Stadia, a whole system that was attempting to fuck you over by being always online?Or Game Pass, trying to make you rent your games perpetually?
>>737078218Do you really think the government would need a pass to do this if they really wanted to?
>>737078047>>737078149i read this book too when i was young. it was pretty good. i liked the illustrations.
>>737078129>anti-SKG brown admits he knows jack shit about the topicSo how much do you get paid for this? And is it "per post" or "per thread you shit up"?
>>737078194How will SKG save games?
>>737078124Good thing buying a game isn't purchasing property, it's a licensing agreement >But physical copies...Still a licensing agreement >>737078120I don't think you know what the constitution is or does if you think it defines property rights
>>737078218it isn't in high-trust societiesnot like you would know what one looks like
>>737078283By ensuring future games will have to developed in a way to allow offline or self-hosting elements.
>>737078264 the ID verification that europe is doing needed support so yeah
>>737078275yawn
>>737078290>Good thing buying a game isn't purchasing property, it's a licensing agreement>>But physical copies...>Still a licensing agreementi dont' care for this sentiment and will use the government to change things for my benefit
>>737072292remember when you weren't a bad goy?>>737072074it's simple:>stop pulling the plug on video games. don't remove game modes and functionality from video games. don't take the money and run, ensure the game will remain playable after EoS>if you insist on making games with a killswitch, state CLEARLY IN BIG BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS that it's a SUBSCRIPTION, NOT A GOOD
>>737078089>t. has never taken any programming-adjacent classesLmao what the fuck do you think nerds look like in real life, anon?
>>737076824At least they're getting paid to do it, the other 5% is corporate bootlickers who do it for free.
>>737078354>I don't like how copyright worksGet in line you fat fucking faggot
>>737078328vague
>>737078337Which is why is important that the law they eventually propose actually alignes with what is being asked and they don't try to slip weird shit in it.
>>737078283it gets live service games banned from europe so you never have to see those fucktards in your multiplayer games ever again
>>737078181What were you expecting dumbass? Anon's pointing out that these companies say they're going to do shitty things. Are you really expect the company that says it to not be a shitty company.
>>737072292>>737073004Indians make money by working on remakes
>>737078403Wrong.
>>737078290>buying a game isn't purchasing property, it's a licensing agreementI love how one of the old politicians straight up called this out >I have three kids that are avid gamers and play 20-40 € for a game + additional money for cosmetics. When the game shuts down and the publisher disallows further access, that money goes to waste and from my point of view, that's unfair, because the difference between "buying" and "licensing" at this point is semantics.>the difference between "buying" and "licensing" at this point is semantics.Tick fucking tock.
>>737078361Anon are you an idiotMossman isn't a tech nerd or a programmer That's kind of part of the problem hereNone of the people involved in my CS degree looked like a corpse you find in a zombie apocalypse game
>>737078420You said it will come to the games you love too and then you posted ubislop only cattle play.You lose.
>>737078381why wait in line when i can work to enact meaningful change right now?
>>737077997Why is it bait if it's how I feel? Ross looks like a rat that doesn't know basic self care. The receding hairline should've been an indicator to himself that he should've cut it long ago
>>737078358>State clearly that the game will not be playable foreverThis is already a thing and is what all reasonable customers assume.
>>737078470>None of the people involved in my CS degree looked like a corpse you find in a zombie apocalypse gameThat's funny, because literally all of mine do.
hopefully this gets steam banned from europe because you dont actually own your steam games
>>737078349Come on, Ranjeet, Im curious to know what kind of squalor you have to live in that you have to shitpost for a living. How much do they pay you?
>>737078181Just because ubisoft is the only one dumb enough to say the quiet part loud it doesn't mean the likes of EA or Activision Blizzard aren't thinking of doing the exact same thing.Or are you dumb enough to give them the benefit of the doubt?
>>737077118Console players are used to getting scammed who gives a shit about them
>>737078461>Some old cunt said something stupidAlert the media!
>>737072074I don't know why people want to have the government force companies to keep unprofitable games online. That's literal slavery.How would you, as a tradesman, like it if the government mandated eternal warranties for the work you provide?
>>737078591There is that lie again.
>>737078491Japan doesn't want you to play EoS'd games either. They call you necrophiliacs, and say it's the equivalent of rape.
>>737078586i want to have the material convenience of an old console but with new games. ... if games companies were forced to treat products differently, that could happen
>>737078591sar...
>>737078591>this anon thinks there are living, breathing gnomes pulling knobs and levers in order to make a server function
>>737078559>it doesn't mean the likes of EA or Activision BlizzardMore slop producers!??? The horror!! Stop it please! Or I'll continue not playing those "games". SKG defenders really reveal the garbage they play.
The Article 3 of Council Directive 93/13/EEC in force since 5th of April, 1993 states the following.>A contractual term which has not been individually negotiated shall be regarded as unfair if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties’ rights and obligations arising under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer.>2 A term shall always be regarded as not individually negotiated where it has been drafted in advance and the consumer has therefore not been able to influence the substance of the term, particularly in the context of a pre-formulated standard contract.>The fact that certain aspects of a term or one specific term have been individually negotiated shall not exclude the application of this Article to the rest of a contract if an overall assessment of the contract indicates that it is nevertheless a pre-formulated standard contract.>Where any seller or supplier claims that a standard term has been individually negotiated, the burden of proof in this respect shall be incumbent on him.
>>737078129>nobody does because it's very vague.its about preserving games, he stated it many times in his presentation...this is why i came with my post like we are saving animals from extinction >>737077931stop killing games, game preservation, lost of media... all the words hes using in his speech, like this would be a real threat to the industry, how many games out there are really worthy preservation? if the company is shutting down the servers is because the game was shit and not worthy continuing, why to care in keeping rss on continuing every game?? the only one real problem here is the scam, as he says, you buy a game, and few months later the company decides to not keep it on run, than you fuck up thanks for your money
>>737078525>This is already a thingno it isn't. the crew was sold as a game. they should have said it was a service like world of warcraft so people can learn to avoid it like the plague
>>737078670Japan has a big retro market, what do people like this think of that?
>>737078670But why a child, specifically? Why not a wrinkly old grandpa?
>>737078552Call me a nigger jew next. It's working!
Ross won
>>737077262What a weird way to convince people not to reply to shills.Weird, and somehow convenient.
>>737072292>all anti-SKG posters were indian or behind memeflags?No?
>>737078590>No saar! He's just some old cunt saying stupid shit saar, dont listen to him saar!kek
>>737078047The slippery slope is only a fallacy when there isn't a logical connection (or enough causal evidence) between one event to the other. When there is, that's just basic logical deduction of cause-and-effect.It's a common tactic to dismiss very basic understand of cause-and-effect by saying it's a slippery slope to notice that something will happen when something else happens. Using a fallacy as a bludgeon to dismiss arguments like that is a fallacy.
>>737074712If you can't parse precise meaning from those explicit terms in the exact context which they are applied, then it's useless to patronize you further. Suck a dog's dick, shitskin.
>>737078781You are a nigger and/or a jew
>>737078715It's about preserving games or some shit....don't ask for details because we don't have them! Trust us it will be good!kek
>>737072074The simple fact that he just looks that way won't do much to help his cause
Consumers aren’t expected to detail how exactly the company should fix bugs when they appear, they point out the bugs and you have to fix them.The same applies to end of life plans. Figure it out or get fined out your ass and go out of business.
I just don't at all trust that this isn't going to lead to some absolutely hamfisted legislation that tags-on shit that nobody was asking for, and makes the industry worse in the long run.It's not the SKG movement I have a problem with. It's the EU. They have a long history of wanting to meddle with and control electronic communications. Video games are no exception.
>>737078328NO, the movement propuse what you said, but he clearly says, we are open to other solutions, so not to jump to conclusions yet
>>737078859I'm also a bot
>>737078690>It's just The Crew>It's just Ubisoft>It's just Ubisoft, Activision, and EA...Literally no self-preservation instincts. If you were in a line up, with guys next to you all getting shot in the head, you'd have no capacity to comprehend that you're up next.
>>737078690They are publishers, anon, not developers.At any point, they can buy out the devs of every game you liked and turn it into a Live Service.Or even forcing games that already exist to need an online connection to a server they might shut down.You don't hate them enough.
>>737073256Accurate. It is time to remove those that view our country as an economic zone. Remove them from existence not the country.
>>737078715>how many games out there are really worthy preservation?notthefuckingpointcompanies don't get to decide thatthe consumer doif one lone dumbass in the middle of arizona desert decides he wants to play a game he bought, he should not be subject the the developer's whim as if and when he's able to
>>737078875I am very handsome in real life and I believe Ross should hire me to represent him.Surely having a very handsome person will silence the idiots on the internet instead of cause them to find another angle to discredit me.
>>737078923Holy fucking shit, look at this ESL faggot.
>>737078942Sorry I'm not into your AAA slop.
>>737078916I'll take that over corporations raping videogames into the ground with no recourse. People had already tried less intrusive things. In best case scenario, you just get ignored. In worst case scenario, they drag you to court for trying to revive a dead game and destroy your life.
>>737078470>None of the people involved in my CS degree looked like a corpse you find in a zombie apocalypse gameLiterally90% of the CS and engineering professor I had in university a decade ago looked like either Ross Scott, Bill Gates, or an Indian version of either.
>>737078941Oh yeah!? Well... y-you too!
>>737078995So then why are you against SKG? What hard does it do to indies?
>>737078982Nah, if you are that handsome they would say that you must be gay.Then they would say "Yeah, only faggots could supports SKG"!
The EU went out of their way to make their upcoming EU age verification as transparent and anonymous as they can with zero knowledge proofs and open source code, instead of forcing you to share your ID/face with private companies and get fucked once their data gets leaked, so the EU is more tech-savvy than they might seem desu.
>>737078943I'm so scared activision blizzard will buy my favorite indies and force them to go online only.2 more weeks! SKG haters will be so sorry!!
>>737078715>if the company is shutting down the servers is because the game was shit and not worthy continuing, why to care in keeping rss on continuing every game??I like how the butthurt poos are trying to switch it up to sound reasonable now but still cant hide the fact that they're supporting corpotations taking paid-for games away
>>737079074If you only play indies, then why does SKG bother you? What do you have to lose?
>>737079034popular opinion good! ask reddit!
>>737079082Concern trolling and strawmen is all they have left.
>>737079074If you only play indies, why would you care?
>>737079071Age verification shouldn't exist at all, retarded shill.
>>737079114popular opinion bad! ask 4chan!
>You'll own something and be happy>>NOOOOOOOOOOO
>>737072074what is mossman's stance on paid subscriptions like world of warcraft and ff14. does he think blizzard is within its rights to shut it down and run away with the money?
>>737078671>I want to go back in time to when publishers lacked the technological capacity to fully protect their rights better start looking for a time machine my guy
>>737078715>why to care in keeping rss on continuing every game?I thought the babel media was a meme but damn, it really is smelly indians shitting up these threadst. work with these curryniggers, one of whom talks exactly like this
I really don't find it difficult to hate both niggers and the (((rich))). I don't think they are mutually exclusive at all.
>>737079186Probably something like "They can shut it down, but if they do they can't oppose fans effort to make their own server and keep playing"
>>737079189stealing the consumer's money is not protecting anything, it's theftstop enabling theft
>>737079186They are SKG exempt because paid subscriptions explicitly state when the game expires, i e when your sub runs out and if you choose not to continue it.
>>737078720The Crew was sold as a limited license to execute software that openly and explicitly informed users before purchase it required an internet connection and access to their servers.
>>737079103>>737079119lmao that shut him right the fuck up.
>>737079103his next post will be>b-but muh induhs will be f-forced to host s-servers for their games forever so they will have to divert funds and development time into it!!!
>>737079251>literally quoting the defense Ubisoft tried to utilize before being dragged to a national court caselelThey are not sending their best.
How would SKG apply to console servers?For instance, in 2024 Nintendo shut down the 3DS/Wii U online servers so you can't play games like Mario Kart 7 or SSB Ultimate online anymore.How would the law force them to comply with SKG's principles if it passed? They would be forced to host 3DS/Wii U online servers indefinitely? They would be forced to let people host freely-accessible private servers?All the conversation around SKG seems to be centred solely around PC gaming with no attention paid to how this could screw over consoles.
>>737079249>Say word money stolen It always comes back to this with you moronsSheer entitlement
>>737079250The Crew box said online only.
>>737079251>licenselicenses don't supersede the law. stop selling defective goods you turbojewfurthermore, you don't need a license to use software (copyright doesn't cover the "right to experience a work") you turbojew
>>737079337Are you pretending to be retarded to make discourse impossible?
>>737079328No because those games already have an offline capacity to them. You can still play Mario Kart 7.
>>737079328>All the conversation around SKG seems to be centred solely around PC gaming with no attention paid to how this could screw over consoles.Because consoles are walled gardens and you agree to bend over at their behest.
>>737079328What's that you say? SKG is a poorly thought out demand by tech illiterates? It has consequences they are unable or unwilling to understand?Say it ain't so!
>>737079382But the box says I can play online. That's what I purchased.
>>737079328literally add direct IP connect like terraria has. problem solved
>consoles can't host dedicated serversThat's a new one.
>>737079352>licenses don't supercede the lawYou mean license agreements, and you mean they can't enforce illegal termsNeither of which is relevant here>You don't need a license to run softwarelol nigga u dum
>>737079409>>737079328samefagging aside, you still dont know what SKG is about if you think its about forcing the publisher to keep the servers online forever
>>737079328Despite the one that will probably screech the loudest, Nintendo is one of the least affected publishers, since almost all of their games are playable offline (or even local multiplayer).
>>737079121I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that the EU actually gave a shit to make their solution actually just about age verification with as little sharing of private, identifiable data as possible, while boomers in the land of the free will want you to send your government ID and face scans to Israel to protect the keedz.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proofhttps://github.com/eu-digital-identity-walletI don't think a government body that knows what a "zero knowledge proof" is, that then goes out of their way to have code transparency, is anything but "tech illiterate boomers".Meanwhile the traitorous farts in the Congress would gladly sell your soul to Israel or FAANG and not give two shits about your privacy because they got paid off so fuck you and your rights.
>>737079103its clearly that SKG is againts ubisoft and other big ones, but the parliament dont understand about this, they can come with something that could affect indies and mid size studios that wanted to start their games with online services
>>737079428The goal of SKG is to allow for some preservation of the content you purchased to persist. Ross has talked about this. Games like Dark Spore, which were primarily single-player, just got taken offline for no reason other than they were online as a form of DRM.
>>737079382So what about the shut down of online stores then?You can no longer purchase Mario Kart 7 officially anymore because the 3DS online storefront is shut down, and new physical copies are no longer produced.I don't see how this works for consoles without either:1. The EU forces them to host storefronts for defunct consoles forever.or2. The EU basically forces them to let people pirate delisted games via some official method.It just sounds absurd.SKG is more straight-forward for PCs because Steam is an eternal storefront, but it doesn't work that way on consoles.
>>737079328At minimum, set a date that the servers will be shut down at.
>SKG press conference>look inside>no press
>>737078290>I don't think you know what the constitution is or does if you think it defines property rightsIt defines intellectual property rights. Copyright and patents are legally justified by this line in the Consitution:>To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.Emphasis on "to promote the progress of science and useful arts" (IE: the purpose of IP rights is to promote innovation and the public, not to enrich or protect the rights of authors) and "securing for limited times to authors and inventors" (IE: IP rights are GRANTED to authors as a privilege to achieve the formerly stated goal, it is not an innate right of the author to control their intellectual works)
>>737079495Learn English before you talk to me. "This could somehow in someway be bad for indies, so we need to allow big corpos to continue to fuck everyone in the ass." You are a soulless golem.
>>737079495>they can come with something that could affect indies and mid size studios that wanted to start their games with online servicesThe same poor indies and mid size studios that cant afford to program these obsolesence measures in the first place? Those games?
>>737079513This has nothing to do with SKG, are you pretending to be retarded? You can still play those games if you own them, even if they are not being sold.
>>737079513>yfw the answer is to decriminalize piracy in Europe
>>737079513SKG says nothing about purchasing a game, only about the ability to access and use it for those who already bought it.Delisting a game is still perfectly in the right of the publishers.
>>737079575/threadEveryone who doesn't speak english should fuck off to North Korea
>>737079553That's not in Brussels.That's in Finland.
>>737079513You can purchase a copy of Mario Kart 7 right now. It physically exists in the world, and you can play it. It's not dead or destroyed.
>>737079534How can they possibly know in advance how long servers will be viable for though?If you launch a console, you don't know how successful it's going to be long-term. A console that sells 150+ million units like the Switch 1 will obviously have online servers going for decades, but the Wii U was not viable to keep up for such a length of time when it flopped hard.
>>737079653Maybe just don't make consoles that will flop?
>>737079653Either make games that are playable after you terminate support or fuck off, that's how.
>>737079328the bill is just about games being shutdown, doesnt say anything and will not about consoles, off the point
>>737079495Give me an example of an indie that would be hurt by this.Most indie developers don't have the money to mantain a dedicated server for any amount of time, so they either make their games offline only or they already feature P2P multiplayer.
>>737074661>Or keep them around so they do the shitty jobs that you won’t do?Oh I get it, like slaves.
>>737075071>in america its not capitalism they are coming for, its moneyYeah bro, tell them
>>737079754Among Us, but it already has fanmade dedicated servers. But they do not have an EOS plan and SKG isn't retroactive anyway, so the real answer to your question is that "No such game exists".
>>737079653You can still play almost all the Wii U library one the console though?
>>737079754HOLD THE FUCKING PHONEYou mean to tell me that they are forced to work within grounded limitations? WHAT?? HOW CAN THEY MAKE GAMES IF THERE ARE GROUNDED LIMITATIONS???
>>737072074Damn nigga. If you're going to do shit like this get a hair cut, shave, and buy a fucking suit. Appearances matter at times like that.
>>737072413Its all made by the same people. Raising awareness about the enemy is always good. No matter if the enemy is video game lobby or the AI lobby
>>737079508Anon that hasn't been true for a while now The legal argument abandoned preservation because an artist absolutely has the right to destroy their own work
>>737072413Why is Kekkonen there? :DDD
>>737079731>the bill is just about games being shutdownSo what, specifically, counts as a game being "shut down"?If the online servers are closed, but the game is still purchasable in some form, is that allowed?If the game is no longer officially purchasable, but you can acquire it via second-hand means (eg. A used physical copy), is that allowed?If the game is only available digitally, and is delisted, but can still be played offline in some form by those who own it, is that allowed?Nobody has really done a good enough job of making things clear. Half the people in these threads talk as if SKG is going to make delisting games illegal, or that devs will be forced to make all their source code freely available if they dare delist a game.
>>737072989oh no varrock on twitter wants you deadMeanwhile Peter Thiel is trying to control the entire world
>>737079905>an artist has a right to destroy their own workDoes a parent have a right to destroy their own babby?
ngl I didn't expect someone on the parliament to say that he liked the initiative because his grandchildren are gamers
>>737079905He has no right to destroy the copies of his work that I bought.
things that still need to be fixedSo, how close are we from VISA hearings worldwide?
>>737079905>an artist absolutely has the right to destroy their own workno they don't. where the fuck did you even get this retarded idea from you absolute retard.you publish it, it's no longer yours. simple as
>>737074661> Or keep them around so they do the shitty jobs that you won’t do?I'm convinced this is a meme. There's plenty of people looking for jobs in almost every sector. The only reason someone can't find employees is if they're going to underpay, overwork and treat them like shit.
what none of you stupid faggots realize is that this isnt really even a video gaming issueits a predatory business issuetake SKG and replace the word 'games' with literally any other product in the WORLD and it makes complete and total sense to vidya-ignorant boomers just fine
>>737079939>attempting to poison the wellSKG was never against delisting. You can stop trying now.
>>737079939>If the online servers are closed, but the game is still purchasable in some form, is that allowed?Yes.>If the game is no longer officially purchasable, but you can acquire it via second-hand means (eg. A used physical copy), is that allowed?Yes.>If the game is only available digitally, and is delisted, but can still be played offline in some form by those who own it, is that allowed?Yes.>Nobody has really done a good enough job of making things clear. Half the people in these threads talk as if SKG is going to make delisting games illegalNo, you randomly started talking about that to muddle the conversation, or are ESL, and confused. Or more likely, you are a tired shill, echoing the exact same talking points you've been echoing for years.
Fact: it costs devs nothing to make their games playable offline. The muh development costs cope is just that, cope
>>737079569>The constitution defines IP rightsJesus christ you're stupid.The passage you mentioned gives congress the right to legislate IP law, it doesn't define jack shit. Defining it is literally congress' job which is what this clause is saying.To reiterate: you do not know what the constitution is or does.
>>737072413Actually, considering how many young people today are demoralized and have little faith in the institutions, giving them a win like this and making them see that sometimes the democratic process actually works would be a big morale boost that would be useful to fight these other issues.Ultimately, you need people to both care and believe they can make a difference.
>>737080057or make stuff open source after the fact (not the base game , but the online components) so the community can make private servers without worry, and mods etc etc
>>737079905>an artist absolutely has the right to destroy their own workAnon, are you dumb? If an artist sold his work then he loses the right to destroy it. So if those corpos want to destroy their vidogames they should not be selling them. Seriously sometimes i question if there are genuine retards posting on /v/. Your arguments and reasoning are so stupid, no way you're normal in the head.
>>737072413that picture is absolutely retardedthe bald kike is the one bringing in the browns to depress wages and destroy the country while he lines his pockets
>>737080038They used the recent car bullshit as an example
>>737079754i cant say it, there are not clear rules yet, the movement just says we want to prevent game to be killed, but not even they have stated how to make it, "we are open to solutions"... but what if those "solutions" turn to be harmful to some studios,
>>737080056So what, exactly, does SKG propose to forbid via law?Are we talking solely about cases like, for instance, Concord or Highguard shutting down while having no offline mode and thus making the games into useless bricks?If that's the case then I don't see why people are so invested in this or why they are making it out to be more "revolutionary" than it actually is.The way people are talking about SKG makes me think they want to fuck with a lot more than just live-service games, though.
>>737077193>Good prevailsYou pay taxes to pedophile rapist warmongers no matter what country you live in shut the fuck up.
>>737080161The artist sold you a ticket to view the work and now the show is over.
>>737080038I would say that this is specifically a software issue.However even boomers these days are starting to understand how shitty the practices around software can be, and how disastrous would be if allowed to run unchecked (see, the car example they said during the hearing).
>>737080074It provides the justification and purpose of those rights, and in so doing it explains that those rights don't exist for the sake of authors and it is not an innate rightThose rights can and should be revoked or changed to better fulfill the line in the constitution or for consumer rights.
>>737080161The artists didn't sell his workHe sold agreements to view itAgreement's over. It's his to do with as he pleases.
>>737080214No, you retard, I bought a copy of the work.
>>737080202>Are we talking solely about cases like, for instance, Concord or Highguard shutting down while having no offline mode and thus making the games into useless bricks?Yes. That's it. It's to stop fucking killing games that you purchased. You purchased Overwatch 1 years back? Well it's gone and deleted. Replaced with Overwatch 2, which had worse, more predatory monetization schemes. There to fuck you over.
>>737080202if blizzard releases another warcraft or diablo, they'll have to work like diablo II, which has TCP/IP multiplayer and lets you connect to custom private battle.net serverssimple as
>>737080214No, the artist sold me a painting and now he is triggered about me owning it and wants to sneak into my house to burn it down. Rightfully, I will tell him to fuck off and if he persists in his attempts, I will call the police. He's been at it for the last twenty years, so it's long past time I called the cops.
>>737080275You thought you did but you bought a license. The retard is you.
>>737072402NIPPLES PROTRUDING
>>737080269Yet he told me was selling me the work, you can't change the terms of an agreement later.
amerimutts defending their corporate overlords like their life is at stake is amusing
>>737080286Wasn't custom battle.net servers, tcp/ip connections would not show up on the master servers. Those are just direct hosts.
>>737080202SKG is basically gamergate without Barr steering the disembodied anger of the mass of retardsThey all have their own interpretation of what the demands are and what the requirements are to meet those demands.They're just very sad very dumb kids with no tangible cause they can impact and this makes them feel like they're activists and part of a group.It's very sad.
>>737080301You bought a license. (Ticket)
>>737080214Did he now? So why the deceptive labeling? Why the high price? False advertising is a crime and this artist is liable.
>>737080320correct, he bought a license to play the game and now you are denying him from using the license he paid foryou are all going to get sued very soon by the way, I can see why you are shilling against SKG so hard
>>737080320I didn't buy a license because there was no stated expiry and no agreement requiring signing before purchasing. This is why you are going to loose.
>>737080374No, I bought a product. The artist says I bought a license because a pre-negotiated contract he keeps waving around says that I had, a contract that I never signed and whose terms are unfair and null and void under EU law. Try again.
>>737080284>You purchased Overwatch 1 years back? Well it's gone and deleted. Replaced with Overwatch 2, which had worse, more predatory monetization schemes.This feels like a weird example to me. Overwatch 2 wasn't really a sequel, more like a major update to the game.How does this not become a slippery-slope towards "devs must maintain a version of every specific iteration of the game to not fall foul of SKG laws"?What about World of Warcraft where each expansion substantially changes the game, changes features, changes mechanics, introduces new monetisation, etc?Are Blizzard now forced to host servers for every separate expansion of WoW so people don't "lose access" to the expansions they bought?
>>737080385>So why the deceptive labeling?There never was. Every piece of media you "own" tells you it is in fact a license.
>>737079939yes, i agreed, the proposal i just about "please stop killing my favorite games" and thats why i said, this seems dumb, like a child writing a letter of how we should stop climate changing without affecting all our lifestyle, and even worse, Ross just says, here is the problem, and what is the solution, well, we opened to hear them... hes not being serious here
>>737080301the entire value of the game is on the servers. you are paying for access feel free to keep the disc as a paperweight
>>737080243>It provides...No. Stopped reading there.It gives congress the right to define IP laws over states.You don't understand what the constitution is or what it does.Stop replying to me. I've hit my quota for talking to confident retards that try to google arguments to make.
>>737080161>So if those corpos want to destroy their vidogames they should not be selling themKonami acquired Hudson just to get rid of compettion, as far as we know, apparently, they just destroyed the source code of pretty much everything except bomberman
guess I own World of Warcraft now
>>737080413>The artist says I bought a license because a pre-negotiated contract he keeps waving aroundNo the box in your hand does. lol
>>737079017Bold of you to assume corporations aren't going to abuse this now that they don't have to deal with the grey area problem.
>>737080374Nah, that's not how licences work. Even digital ones. At least not in the EU. This type of faggotry might be allowed in the USA or in Japan but in the EU digital licences are owned and can even be resold and can also be added to someones will and be inherited.
>>737080339Didn't happen
>>737080195Those solutions are left for the devs to decide.And since it wouldn't be retroactive and they would be able to take it into account since the beginning of their development process, I really don't see the issue.
>>737078916Hard to even claim its a problem with the EU.The democratic experiment was a mistake. "Capitalism" was also a mistake. I don't mean capitalism as in the concept of property and the ability to exchange things which existed for ten thousand years before any of the languages the word "capitalism" is spoken in. I mean capitalism in terms of the concept that an entire society should revolve around accruing capital.I am curious what exact joke it will lead to though. Occam's razor says probably some advisory thing like how the world at large is okay with not owning things as long as you tell the person giving you money that ACKSHUALLY they don't own the thing they paid for. Or maybe some legislation which on paper appears to submit to the demands SKG makes but in practice has too many loopholes to be enforce-able.
>>737080418>Overwatch 2 wasn't really a sequelIT HAS A FUCKING "2" ON IT, YOU DIPSHIT. The original was taken offline, a paid for game. And then for a short period, there was no Overwatch. Like, a week or two. Then the sequel came out, with new monetization policies.>Are Blizzard now forced to host servers for every separate expansion of WoW so people don't "lose access" to the expansions they bought?No, because that content is still in the game.
>>737080359you had custom diablo II and warcraft 3 battle.net servers for custom games. no need to connect to blizzard's battle.net
2 instances of actual questions about how in the world the proposal could ever be acted upon without interfering with intellectual property rights. (Never got addressed concretely)65 minutes of cringe boomers talking about them having heard of video games existing from their kids. And ofc pic related launching into le epic ledditor baiting...>"I TOOK AN ARROW TO THE KNEE, AND THE CAKE IS LITERALLY A LIE GUYZ! LOL MY BOOMER COLLEAGUES FOR SURE DIDN'T GET THE EPIC VIDEO GAME REFERENCES XDDD"This shit was never serious...
>>737080418Youe entire post depends on this>Overwatch 2 wasn't really a sequel, more like a major update to the gamepremise which is a lie from the start.Expansions are irrelevant. What you consider as "major updates" is irrelevant. The game you paid for must be playable after EoS. Is overwatch 1 playable after EoS? No. You can stop trying to deflect and weasel in retarded strawmen now.
>>737080492What box you doublenigger?>>737080472Now that's just EVIL!
>>737080374That's an extreme oversimplification and you know it. Spelling out the reasons why will take some effort, so unless you genuinely believe what you say to be true (which I don't think you do), I won't spend my time spelling it out for you.
>>737080446No, the value of the game is in the product that is sold to me. Service access, if considered a necessity for the product's correct function is guaranteed to me by law. You really have no idea what you're talking about, are you?
>>737080504>At least not in the EU.Do you know what country The Crew was developed, sold and shut down in? All very legal I assure you!lol you gotta love euros.
>>737080554>What box you doublenigger?The box to the product you say you own lol
>>737080601It's very illegal, which is why Ubisoft is now dealing with a national lawsuit. Are you pretending to be retarded?
>>737080601>All very legal I assure you!Ubisoft is getting sued right now you dumb mongoloid. Apparently it was not legal what they did.
>>737072413No one whose time worth more than $3/h gives a fuck about an obscure racing game shutting down servers. Its just autistic hyperfixation, just like how reddit refuses to admit how most devs are asset flipping indians and lib trannies, and blames a shitty horse armor to this day. Just like GG it fails to adress the greater problem, as it hyperfixated on whore sleeping with game reviewers.
>>737080552>Expansions are irrelevant. What you consider as "major updates" is irrelevant. The game you paid for must be playable after EoS.Ok.So in 2008 I paid for Team Fortress 2 at full price. The TF2 I played back then no longer exists. There are heaps upon heaps of new weapons, balance changes, predatory monetisation, etc which fundamentally changed the TF2 I bought into a new game. It is as different from the original TF2 as Overwatch 2 was to Overwatch 1.Are Valve now obligated to host their own original TF2 servers officially to let me play the game I bought back in 2008?
>>737080501The grey area has always been to the advantage of corporations, since they can gaslight the consumer to what is legal/illegal to their convenience.The instant the nature of games as something that can be sold is precisely defined, they will need to deal to all the legal requirements and the consumer rights specific for that thing.
>>737080591>Service access, if considered a necessity for the product's correct function is guaranteed to me by lawsource?
>>737080638Did they leave the EU?
>>737080552This is all true, BTW. That anon doesn't seem to realize that different versions of software, as well as GIT (which has been around since 2005), exist for a reason.
>>737072074jason hall shoves ferrets up his ass.
>>737080515You should have though of that before you sold me something you didn't want to sell.
I am surprised that games industry would fight so hard against this when so many of them are moving to free to play service games anyway.I mean they're probably fighting it on principle I suppose. Still its funny that they could just as easily go "sure thing ross. If you pay for a game you will get to play it forever" and proceed to exclusively make free to play always online thinly veiled online casinos.
>>737080646You don't need a box to own a product you dumb retard. In the EU digital goods can be owned.
>>737072074Imagine showing this picture to Ross 20 years ago.
>>737080521>These solutions are left to the devs Lmao big "I don't care about what my demand entails just get it done!" energyTo be clear that is the position of cheesy 80's villains not smart legislators.
>>737080663Sue valve, they screwed over the Artifact fanbase.
>>737080418NTA but live service games based on subscriptions are exempt because the nature of a subscription has different legal precedent than purchasing outright.At best what the movement wants is every game you buy going forward, (already made games are exempt) to have a baked in offline mode and at worse to have a big WE CAN TURN OFF THE GAME AT ANY POINT WE WANT AFTER XX/XX/XXX DATE across anything selling the product as to warn consumers, with a "we are shutting down the game here are the files to run your own server if you want" somewhere in between.
>>737080653>>737080658Yes because we all know every lawsuit is successful! lol
>>737080663No. You still have TF2. It's an updated TF2, but you still own TF2.
>>737080663>Are Valve now obligated to host their own original TF2 servers officially to let me play the game I bought back in 2008?No, because in TF2 you can host your own servers.Valve could shut down any official support for TF2 tomorrow and they would be just fine even by SKG standards.
>>737080719I am a developer.The demands are perfectly reasonable and easily actionable. Any developer saying otherwise is hiding something. Developers don't need to be told how to meet the demands anymore than they need to be told how to prevent their shit from leaking peoples' credit card details.
>>737080680Directive 2019/770, article 21.
>>737080549>This shit was never seriousAnon these petitions are the equivalent of Obama's WH online petitionsThey're grievance outlets not real policy makingOther petitions in the program are shit like "make all the schoolteachers christian"
>>737080663>Are Valve now obligated to host their own original TF2 servers officially to let me play the game I bought back in 2008?>>737080418>Are Blizzard now forced to host servers for every separate expansion of WoW so people don't "lose access" to the expansions they bought?All of this is pointless because that's not what SKG is trying to do. Nothing about it is trying to force publishers/developers to host servers indefinitely. They just need to provide customers with the tools or ability to host their own servers, or to create an offline mode. Which is perfectly reasonable. And it's entirely possible, as shown by the fact that it can be done with games with server structure as complicated as MMOs, even without developers providing the tools.
>>737080727Kill yourself visajeet.
>>737080704Ok and go read the license that comes with your digital goods. You have no point.
>>737080776based dev
>>737080549The IP question was addressed by the Soanish lawyer
>>737080776>I am white saar please trust and do the needful do not redeem
>>737080663Even if you ignore the fact that TF2 has always allowed you to host your own servers, it has an official SDK released. There's literally nothing preventing you from playing a recreation of launch TF2 if you so cared to.
>>737080696There are a lot of videogame publisher lawyers who want to fight this since that would gain them extra paychecks. People fighting this don't sell or make games. This is why lawyers are cancer. I am sure that there are other beancounters and paperpushers in videogame publishing that think of this as a way to make a few bucks by convincing the dumb CEO that he needs to pay them extra so they can fight this in his name.
>>737080719How cum I can play Deus Ex after all these years even if the dev is dead??
>>737080719Would you prefer precise indications that might not fit every possible kind of game?
>>737080826ran out of ammo that quick? It's so easy to kill SKG. lol
>>737080847Maybe we should perform a seance to see what his current noncorporeal wishes are?
>>737080828I read it and in the EU all parts of it that are hostive to the consumer are considere invalid under EU law. You don't believe me? Google it up. EU will save videogames and you will keep seething.
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>>737080873Yeah, go tell your corpo masters that SKG is kill and they don't need to pay their army of shills anymore, please.
>>737080696I'm guessing they rely a lot on FOMO to get people to play their live service games. For example some people bought Marathon right now because they would not be able to do it in the near future
>>737080909>I read it and in the EU all parts of it that are hostive to the consumer are considere invalid under EU law.No go fire up The Crew with your EU copy.
>>737080521>Those solutions are left for the devs to decide.they will just decide what is more convenience to the road map they planted for their games... i can promise i will keep the game for at least one year, tho, by keeping it i just means to keep the basic game and not major updates will be release... another one just directly decides to release the game and leave it for other party to keep it running as a fan game with no profits for any side
>three hours of powerless seething about Ross saving gamesYou love to see it.
>>737080924kek
>>737080535>IT HAS A FUCKING "2" ON IT, YOU DIPSHIT.achtually.... not anymore
>>737080850I'd prefer if the people trying to get a law passed showed even a slight interest in what their demands would practically entail.If someone hasn't done that and shows no interest in it that tells me they are unserious about the issue and their opinion cannot be trusted.Who would write a law based on the words of someone that admits they are uninformed and wish to remain so?
>>737073156I had to stop watching it was unbareableit probably was ok if you didn't understand the references though
>>737080964Imagine if there aren't actual shills. Imagine if people genuinely are fucking mad that they might get more rights.
>>737080916This is new you moronic shill. A decade ago this didn't happen, and it certainly didn't happen with people who bought The Crew. Also, physical copies of The Crew are also unplayable. Kill yourself.
>>737080946Isn't Ubisoft suffering a class action for that?
>>737080964REEEEE WHY CAN PEOPLE DO THINGS THAT ARE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF MANKIND WHEN ALL I CAN DO IS SHITPOST IMPOTENTLY ON AN IRANIAN JELLYBEAN WEBSITE
>>737080924Go back to worshipping your disgusting youtuber eceleb, nigger
>>737080392>>737080916You are both doing pointless argumens since there are timed and perpetual lincences. Videogames don't have timed licenses or publisher would be required by law to put that on the game box or store page.
>>737072074>LMAO. this is going to backfire badlylord volkha, is that you?
>>737073156Is she named after food?
>>737080916I disagree
>>737081018>2 more weeks
>>737081030>resort to name callingWow, it's so easy to defeat corpo shills, If I was a corporation that paid for this kind of service I would ask for a refund.
>>737080975Because keeping things in a conceptually soft state means its resistant to outside attacks and critique until the the people who say yes or no have shaped it into a state they feel happy with?
>>737081039>Videogames don't have timed licenses or publisher would be required by law to put that on the game box or store page.What you call a "perpetual license" I call a good that I own. From my point of view licensing requires some service being provided by the publisher yet many games are not supported any longer and I still own them. I already said that since there is no stated expiry, they cannot strip me of something they sold me.
>>737080663>Picks TF2 the game that lets you host your own serversOk, this is stupid. This better have a good punchine>It is as different from the original TF2 as Overwatch 2 was to Overwatch 1.>Brought up tf2 updates to pretend OW2 is not a sequel that replaced OW1 Lmao. Get a better premise, this "OW2 is a major update!" spiel is never going to work
>>737081018A class action plus another lawsuit by cosumer protection law watchdog in France. Not sure how many more lawsuits are there. Also they'll be losing the lawsuit in France.
>>737081126https://www.ign.com/articles/ubisofts-the-crew-lawsuit-insists-we-do-not-own-the-games-we-buy
>>737080776yes, i dont need to know how you are going to fix it, but just leave it to the devs, whilst being the devs the one that decided how and when and under what terms to hut down the game is the problem...
>>737080504You don't understand how licences work period, dude.The way it works in the EU is the same as it works in the US, Japan, UK, Australia wherever
>>737080997Nah, there's at least two shills that use recycled rhetoric with very easily recognizable posting styles. They have a bunch of talking points they cycle through. One of them posts in lowercase and is a low tier troll that resorts to mocking or baiting people and resorting to insults. The other tries to make more higher brow analogies (that are still retarded) and makes weak attempts at legalese, without knowing anything about EU law.
>>737081150You are confusing me with another anon. Go back and read the message chain.
>>737080161>If an artist sold his work then he loses the right to destroy it.You'd have a point if it were one singular object but selling multiple as a licence gives them full control of the property and they can destroy it if they want to. It's not up to you.
>>737081206LOL fuck no. Lurk more. We even had more than a few threads on /v/ when the EU started making changes about digital goods.
>>737081206No, the TOS always had terms that were unenforceable under EU law, it's just that nobody wanted to spend money, time and energy suing the living shit out of every video game publisher, especially if those terms never became relevant.
>>737081190Post the article that says ubisoft lost the lawsuit and The Crew is back online.
>>737072074He's out there fighting for what he believes in. He's already better than literally anyone in this thread.
>>737080780nothing in this seems to grant perpetual access to the continuous digital element. article 51 differs to the contract, for example, and says that it is not necessary to supply the latest version assuming the contract says so
>>737080836>Pretending that the problem of the stated goals of the initiatives conflicting with intellectual property doesn't exist = addressing the issue concretelyywnbaw
>>737081286you shitty "licenses" don't supersede the EU consumer law you turbojew
>>737081243You quoted me. I'm just restating what you were quoting. The game companies are legally screwed because they sold you something forever and are trying to retroactively change that later.
>>737081328It has nothing to do with ToS. It's copyright law.Like actual legality.You own the licence but not the property, that's how it works in any civilised region including the EU.
>>737081204Its particularly idiotic because where the hell else does legislation work like that? If someone is doing something that is destructive and needs to be made illegal, its not incumbent on the person raising the concern to explain how ELSE the perpetrator can make money.>Hey I think we should have a law to ban kidnapping and harvesting kids' kidneys>Look guy I understand your frustration but you need to give a concrete definition of how else I'm meant to make money here OK I've got an international organ harvesting business that employs thousands of "americans" and is vital to the economyYou're being a menace. Stop being a menace. If you can't figure out how to run your business without being a menace, thats your problem, and evidently we'll all be better off if you CEASE running your business.
>>737081332Lmao the backpedaling
>>737081376Now go play The Crew.
>>737081376So what you're saying is that you're completely unaware of EU consumer law and EU copyright law.
Qrd on how does this affect future f2p games like gacha?
>>737081436Huh? You can't play The Crew in EU no matter how many articles IGN writes.
>>737081417Ok, but what are you paying for?"A license to use the software" doesn't mean anything, is it a product, a service or a loan?In every case, video game publishers are violating the law in some way, or they are claiming certain things are illegal when they actually aren't.
>>737081427What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>737081495I don't think it affects gacha.
>>737072413>pic relatedwhat makes the lefty retards think that we don't recognize both as problems? Even if we kill off the rich assholes, we shouldn't give shit to the shitskin immigrants after either.
>>737080785I'm glad that the unseriousness of this retarded initiative was on display. But I wish I could get my 72 minutes back...
>>737081534>Should they fail, in spite of their tricks of logic, they acted as if they could not understand the counter arguments and bolted away to another field of discussion.
>>737081495if they sell digital anime jpegs, they can't just put up an EoS notice and fuck you in the ass. they have to either>release an offline version>let you self-host the game>patch the game so it continues to work after EoSbasically, they can't steal your money and laugh all the way to the bank anymore
>>737081495It would kill gacha....in eu anyway. A lot of beloved games like that horse game /v/ loves. Poof gone because of this retarded youtuber movement.
>>737081495As far as SKG itself is concerned, those are F2P games so they can do whatever they want.Also gacha do have sometimes an EOS plan, even if it's just a viewer for your units and the story so it still counts for something.
>>737078075>>737075961You have to understand when a first worlder says he can't get ANY job he means ANY job that: >that pays well above min wage>that has benefits up the ass>that will never ask for overtime>that will let you come in an hour late and leave an hour early >that involves 0 actual effort, especially physical labor of any kind
>>737081641Stop, I'm already on board.
>>737081508>, but what are you paying forA licence to play the game privately. Same with Movies, books and most media.>is it a product, a service or a loan?It's considered a product, obviously.>video game publishers are violating the law in some wayThe fact that you have to say "some way" instead of actually saying how says a lot about what you know, or rather, what you don't.
>>737081639You're going on about children's kidneys it's not a comparison to anything anyone has said here. It doesn't make any sense at all.
>>737081695I said in "some way" because the specific depended on wheter they were a product, a service or a loan.Are they a product? Cool, then I should be able to sell them and they should still work no matter how much time it passes (as long as the physical support is intact).
>>737081693Thought you wanted to Stop Killing Games? lol mask off moment.
>>737081651>It would kill gacha>games like that horse gameholy shit, really? I thought you were against SKG, not for it
>>737081654Lol yeah, that's what Ialways assume is the case. Finding a job in any country is pretty fucking easy unless the country itself is a literal desolate wasteland. Anons who complain about not being able to find work are either looking for a specific type of work or are full of shit.
>>737081359(cont) reading further and article 57 actually protects publishers having an indefinite period of time to keep the servers up. as long as they have some COA in the contract, they can shut down the servers as they want to
>>737081828Why did you quoted me?
>>737081828They want everything dead but the awful ubislop they chow down on.
>>737080549>EUROPEENSlmao
>>737081534>>737081759NTA but he's making a point that it's silly to ask the person that is being victimized by predatory business practices and trying to push legislation to fix it to come up with how the people preying upon them should make money after it's fixed. He's using an analogy of>Imagine trying to pass legislation to ban [obvious evil crime] and the person doing it stonewalls the legislation by saying he couldn't make money without doing [obvious evil crime]It's not the legislator or the petitioner's job to sort that out.
>>737081785>Cool, then I should be able to sell themYou can. That's considered a transfer of your licence.>and they should still work no matter how much time it passes Oh, you're having THAT problem.You're under the impression that a game with DRM being unable to contact a server means it doesn't work but the reality is that it's functioning as intended.In this context it would have to be rendered non functional, as in it won't boot they've done something to brick the game so it won't even reach the verification phase.
>>737080549>2 instances of actual questions about how in the world the proposal could ever be acted upon without interfering with intellectual property rights. (Never got addressed concretely)Of course it was never going to be addressed properly, moldman and his stooges never had an answer for that because they never understood that ownership rights supersede consumer rights.
>>737081364i'll believe the guy with the law phd over the shit-eating currycel shill, thanks
>>737081958>You can. That's considered a transfer of your licence.Pretty sure the TOS of most games say that the license is "non transferable", which is one example of it being against the EU laws.At the very least I don't know of any way to transfer a license of a digital game to someone else (that isn't selling the entire account, which is in itself not allowed by the TOS of any online store).>You're under the impression that a game with DRM being unable to contact a server means it doesn't work but the reality is that it's functioning as intended.Pretty sure most judges would agree that a software that doesn't let you go past the verification phase is considered "non functional", no matter how much companies try to squirm and twist.
>>737072074>"Most games don't do this... B-but the big triple-A slop producers do! So PLEASE go infringe on European intellectual property rights, and fuck up tax revenue streams, in the name of protecting low IQ goyim with too much money on their hands, who can't stop buying GAAS and microtransactions!">"Aww, you guys did such a good job! Look at all those signatures you collected! Wow!.. I'm pretty sure my sons are gamers also, tee-hee!"
>>737080696>>737080846The job of a politician isn’t to enact policy or make their country better, it’s to get elected. Same applies to lawyers and lobbyists.
>>737082210How does this negatively effect you?
>>737081958>>737082193>but the reality is that it's functioning as intendedI suppose it would be an argument if the description of the game on the steam storefront simply said "this game crashes as soon as you double click it; $80 please"
>>737082210>I hate slop but will fight for the right to sell slop
>>737082238Thank you. That's something I forget sometimes when often the lobbiests' are actually acting to further some malicious goals of their client. I take that for granted and forget sometimes that they are ultimately just here to get paid by the hour.
>>737082193>the TOSThis isn't related to ToS, stop bringing up the ToS. The ToS is not legally binding and has nothing to do with the Licence, Jesus Christ man. >Pretty sure most judges would agree that a software that doesn't let you go past the verification phase is considered "non functional", no matter how much companies try to squirm and twist. They wouldn't, they would ask >why can't you play the gamewhere the response would be>this is copy protection software acting as intended, if the game doesn't have access to our verification software it won't pass this screen. We informed our customers of this in our ToSTo which the judge will most likely say>in other words the actual product is not broken or damaged in any way and this was how it was sold from the start? And no it won't be hypocritical of me to bring up the ToS because you're acting as if it's a legally binding document while I'm saying it as as a document for informing the customer of the DRM.
>>737082257See if the actually crashed, then you would have grounds for complaint but it doesn't. It's not technically non functional.
>>737082563>This game closes as soon as you open it with a return code of 0 (it didn't crash, it closed gracefully); $80 please
>>737081787No, I'm here to fuck corporations in the arse. I get off on it.
>>737082246How does it affect us positively? If something like this passes all it would mean is selling offline versions to us.
>>737079513You can still purchase and play a second hand copy of MK7 though.
>>737082604You just don't understand that it isn't actually damaged in any way, do you.
>>737082392I don't have a problem with simply not buying slop. And I don't have a problem with enjoying you choke on it.If you don't have better taste in games, you should rightfully be condemned to an eternity of getting gaped by the GaaS slop you're addicted to.
>>737082508>The ToS is not legally bindingAnd here it is.If that's the case, then why can't I transfer my digital license?Also, you are using circular logic here: the ToS specify the DRM, which is what makes the game de facto non functional, but since the ToS is not legally binding (as in, they can't do something that isn't allowed by the law just because they say so in the ToS) I can just read the part about the DRM and their ability to make the game de facto non functional at any moment and say "If you do that, I'll sue you", click agree anyway and still the judge would rule in my favour (if I was willing to spend an ungodly amount of money and time in this).
>>737072413>saar my loli porn is getting censored so you have to stop SKG saar
>>737082760You can take that position but the first thing that will be scrutinized is what you claimed to be selling the customer at the time of sale.If you assert its perfectly functional that the game doesn't start, and the store front shows a description of this wonderful game you built where you can run around and chop down trees, I don't really see how you can then turn around and say "Working As Intended:tm" when the game simply doesn't start.
>>737082760Pretty sure that would still be considered planned obsolescence, which is illegal in the EU.
>>737082795Jew or jeet?
>>737082707No more bullshit always solo game
>>737082883How many skins and loot boxes have you consoomed today?
>>737083032>saar it's important to keep scamming a profitable job
>>737082873It wouldn't. The idea of planned obsolescence is that it effectively has a shelf life where a customer goes out to buy a new one.With DRM while an end can come it's not necessarily planned, they could theoretically keep it going forever.
>>737083167Sure, until they press the off switch.No matter how you put it, this would be considered illegal for any product other than games.Do you think the whole printers debacle would have gone better for HP if it wasn't the printers bricking themselves, but HP itself that pressed an off switch that instantly bricked that particular printer model for of all their customers?
>>737082862>and the store front shows a description of this wonderful game you built where you can run around and chop down trees, I don't really see how you can then turn around and say "Working As Intended:tm" when the game simply doesn't start.That's where the EULA and other things of the sort comes into play. They don't exist to be legally binding but to inform customers of what is and what the drm does.Also, speaking of storefronts many show that a game has DRM of some kind and show it to the customer before purchasing. So it would very much hold under scrutiny.>when the game simply doesn't start.This is what you aren't getting, the game does start. There's no boot issues, it's not non-functional.
>>737083167>they could theoretically keep it going foreverYou can't have it both ways. You either intend (eg. plan) for the game to become unplayable at some point, in which case its planned obsolescence, or you don't, in which case when it does, its a defect.
>>737083167Building in a switch that makes it impossible to use the product for its intended purpose that you can flip whenever and the customer has no control over is absolutely, 100% planned obsolescence. This is like saying that it's fine if a printer company made their printers so they can send a signal out that instantly prevents them from printing, as long as the printer could still turn on. Since turning on means it's not destroyed, even though it's deliberately prevented from completing its intended purpose and what the customer clearly bought it for.
