He was right about everything.
>>737085782skyrim belongs to the elves not nordic invaders
He's also dead in all my playthroughs.
>>737085829Cry about it, bitch
>>737085782Skyrim is for the dragons, everyone else exists to serve their dragon masters.
Yes, but he was not strong enough to make it happen himself.The Empire of the past is gone and would have never accepted subservience.The war against the elves should not have been called a truce when man was winning.The Empire is weak and on it's way out.
>>737085782>shouted a young boy king apart. what a thalmor agent.
>>737089000>kill an enemy in a duelwho cares.
>>737085782So was Hitler.
>>737085782Property of Elenwen btwShe literally begs CHADlius not to kill him
>>737089218important fact
>>737089000>>737089218You guys are fucking morons. The Thalmor want the infighting, he's considered and asset for that purpose, not because he's working for her.
>>737089404>he's considered and asset for that purpose, not because he's working for her.Wrong. Elenwen made it up because she wants some stormcloak dick.
>>737089404exactly, because the thalmor recognize that a united and rejuvenated empire could be their undoing
>>737089404Right. In other words, the thalmor are a big fan of his work
>>737089404So? Ulfric is an unwilling pawn. He got psy-oped.
>>737085782When discussing the Skyrim Civil War, a commonly raised point is that the Empire is needed to defeat the Aldmeri Dominion.But, something no one ever talks about, is that from the perspective of a Nord nationalist, it doesn't matter. The Thalmor can destroy the Empire and occupy all of Cyrodiil, and kill every Imperial man, woman and child, and it wouldn't matter because the Dominion would never be able to invade Skyrim itself. Its borders are all impassable mountains with only a handful of chokepoints for entry. The Sea of Ghosts is treacherous and will fuck up any elven landing on Skyrim's shores. The Nord will remain independent forever.
>>737089404Nothing says "Strong leader" like someone who can't see the strings on his back
>>737089904the thalmor are largely mages and spellswords and could rape skyrim from the south up
>>737089565>>737089772>>737089963>A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however,
Why can’t we kill both sides?
>>737085782He's a failed Jarl and had to be saved by actual divine intervention in the tutorial. He's also the reason your head was on a chopping block. Jarl BALLER was right about him
>>737090420The nordic-imperial legions already proved capable of fucking them up with pure melee during the war, and they had to whine to titus mede saying "MAKE THEM STOP!" as a result.>>737092480The one paid off with chests with elven gold? That Jarl Ballin?
>>737089000Pretty sure he was actually nearly middle aged, an imperial puppet and inferior warrior. And Ulfric merely used the shout to legitimize himself as a more nord-ish high king.
>>737085782Yeah
>>737092647Anons still think that Elder Scrolls works like real life, the truth is that whoever has living gods wins the war, and the nords have Talos while the elven gods remain silent.
>>737085782Even tulius agrees when you do thalmor embassy with him there.
>>737092870ondolemar shits all over the imperials right in front of them and says the stormcloaks at least fight for their values. bretty funny bit of dialogue
>>737090420The Dominion got bodied by the Redguards who are just as adverse to magic as the Nords. Wielding magic isn't an instant "I win" button in warfare on Tamriel. An independent Skyrim is almost identical to Hammerfell, except Skyrim is even harder to invade than Hammerfell.>inhospitable land that's difficult to invade by land (in Skyrim's case it's even harder to invade by sea because the Sea of Ghosts is incredibly dangerous)>inhabitants are specialists in melee combat that have a history of slaughtering elves, and killed the native elves of said land>aversion to magic by locals (more intense in Redguards' case because Nords used to have some of the strongest wizards)>inhabitants were Imperial vassals that hard-carried the Empire through the Great War before getting shafted by the White-Gold Concordat>traditionalist rebels throwing off Imperial influence to solo the DominionThe ideal conditions for mankind before the next war breaks out is inarguably to have Cyrodiil, Skyrim, High Rock, and Hammerfell be independent nations that form a confederacy/alliance to fight elves. The Empire is weaker than the sum of its parts, and they would all be better served on their own. Hammerfell proved that when they reclaimed their land from the Dominion. Anybody that argues otherwise just genuinely doesn't understand the lore and political landscape, and they have facts about the Great War and the Empire's current position completely wrong.
Ulfric is honestly a pretty nuanced character compared to so many others in Skyrim. Hes nobility but is chosen for a higher calling, goes without so much as a fuss and is considered a great honor. Hears about a war between sadistic, mongrel elves and men and leaves the monastery to go fight for his homeland. Naturally the horrors of war and the end results make him jaded. He comes back to a demoralized nation, embittered by everything hes seen but returns to help his people regardless.The Markarth Incident happens and he finally thinks hes making some progress with allowing Talos worship by getting rid of the evil Reachmen. Gets betrayed by the Silver Bloods, imprisoned again, takes his fathers place as Jarl after his death and kills Torygg in a duel to prove how weak he believed the Nord lineage was getting under imperial rule.
>>737085782>but buh da thamlor dossier!!12Bitch your faction is literally under full control of the thalmor LMAO.
>>737093363The writing of the Civil War in Skyrim screams to me that there was ONE guy on the team that actually gave a shit. There's so much nuance, intrigue, and care given to it, especially Ulfric, compared to the writing in the entire rest of the game. It feels like something that's much more akin to Morrowind. Ulfric is actually a well-written character and a good portrayal of a populist rebel leader, flaws and all. There's actual engagement with the idea of subterfuge/political maneuvering, there's interesting political and propaganda plays from both sides, there's proper use of unreliable narrators and biased rhetoric, and Ulfric's an actually charismatic character to sell it all, along with the other big players (Galmar, Rikke, Tullius) being decent, too. There's so much peppered throughout the game of all kinds of people commenting on their opinions or how the war has affected them, what they think of Ulfric, how they feel about the religious freedom, and so on. In any other game, that attention would be given to the Main Quest, because it seems to have a much larger impact on the world and people's lives than the dragon apocalypse. It makes the Civil War seem like a big deal.And then the actual questline is like four quests, one of which is a Draugr dungeon and the others might as well be Radiant quests capped off by the shittiest scripted battles between teams of five dudes. It's hilarious.
>>737089547No, they want to avoid a stormcloack victory also.The best thing that can happen for the Thalmor is to wait and recover their strength because signs point to the Thalmor wanting to continue their dominion over man but needed the peace treaty to buy time.The issue is that there is no sign that the Empire desires to continue the war.It's a one sided subterfuge war where the Empire is slowly being weakened for the purpose of a later defeat.The worst thing that could happen to the Alderi Dominion is for a conclusive victory that ends the civil war and sets it's eyes towards the Thalmor.> Can the Thalmor be trusted? "For now, perhaps. But I've heard disturbing rumors that they're marshalling their strength. I suspect the treaty that ended the war was just a tactic to buy time so the Thalmor can rebuild their armies. I hope I'm wrong. I'm not sure the Empire can afford another war."This is said by the Jarl of Markath which is very Empire friendly.
>>737094084elves breed much less than humans and the empire was already starting to turn the tide just before the end. the thalmor would take much longer to build strength than the empire. and if they can get morrowind back it's game
>>737092218If Ulfric were real and we knew all that we knew about him everyone would make fun of him doing the will of glowies. intentional or not, he is still killing his own countrymen in a conflict he started and escalated.>>737093440The Talos ban was only enforced after Ulfric's chimpout btwHad he kept his mouth shut Talos worship would've continued without issue
>>737093673Most of the civil war was cut, but there are still voice lines for everything. I played it with one of the restoration mods and it turned out that even Ralof had more development. I had a mission to ambush a transport of silver and weapons from Markarth to Solitude. Ralof was scouting it out and leading charge. Then Galmar kept the weapons for upcoming siege and sent the money to Windhelm.
>>737088460If the Empire lasted the Oblivion Crisis, it can outlast some bitch-ass Thalmor.
the empire deserves to die for letting the enemy do what they want. its really that simple.
>>737085782What >>737085843 said.
>>737085782Have Ulfric marry Elisif and elect them as co-rulers of Skyrim under the empire. Problem solved now let's rape some elves boys
>>737085782>be dragonborn>heavily hinted you are literally an avatar of Shor>stop Alduin the world eater >have to choose between bending the knee to either a woman or a Ulfric StormcuckI have Todd so much for not giving us the option of simply taking the throne and starting a reconquista against the dominion
>pic relatedI love killing Thalmor scum
Elisif becomes my wife after i kill him https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/167954
>>737095380>Elisif becomes my wife imagine settling for sloppy seconds
>>737085782
>>737095418the queen gets a pass
I know if the tesVI ever happens. None of the lingering questions will be resolved. But i think what id like to see is the thalmor to succeed. Breaking through to destroy the white gold tower and nothing happening. This causes a total collapse of high elf society as their understanding of the world is flawed.
>>737094827The Empire of Oblivion and the Empire of Skyrim are very different nations. This is like saying "Rome could defeat mighty Carthage, it can defeat some bitch-ass German tribals." Things change, nations change, people change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf7ROU2_8UA
>>737095626The Roman Republic was on the ascent during and after Carthage. The Elder Scrolls Empire was never a republic, and has been "about to collapse" since before TESI Arena's Simulacrum.
>>737095735>The Roman Republic was on the ascent during and after Carthage. That has nothing to do with what he said.>The Elder Scrolls Empire was never a republicneither does that.>since before TESI Arena's Simulacrum.It did collapse. That's a thing that happened.
>>737093440By the nine!
>>737085829Skyrim is man's homeland. Atmora was an elven kingdom the ancestors of the Nords conquered in the Dawn era
>>737094472But the Empire is doing nothing to actually build its strength while the Dominion is doing a lot to build its own. More importantly, the Dominion is doing a lot to undermine the Empire, especially with Thalmor roaming its provinces and abducting its subjects. Since the Great War, the Empire has lost one of its few remaining provinces and another has gone into open rebellion. On top of that, several of its important political leaders have started dealings with the Dominion and are openly in support of them, while other strong leaders were ousted because they showed dissent. Considering that faction questlines are also usually canon, it's likely the Emperor's been assassinated, too.There's nothing we really see regarding the Empire planning ahead. It's a weak and corrupt system that's more focused on preserving its own wealth and power than the long-term health of mankind. This is not the Septim Empire, it's a weak shadow of what it should be. This is best demonstrated by them signing the Concordat and selling out its two most loyal provinces (who did the most work during the Great War) to save its own skin from more fighting, when it could have easily sacrificed a bit more and won the fight permanently. Some people, like Tullius, may want to start shit with the Dominion and have plans for it, but it's clear that it's not a unanimous thought among them.
>>737085843And yet you're still brown
>>737085782I literally do not careSkyrim "belongs" to whoever can keep it
TES6 plot will be the Thalmor trying to resurrect Trinimac through control over Ada-Mantia to be their own living god champion to finally defeat the constantly recurring Lorkhan incarnations that keep saving mankind, and to pull off a reverse Middle Dawn to sever Akatosh' bond with human emperors and fully turn him into his elven aspect of Auriel
