California is now passing a Stop Killing Games bill the same day as the EU parliament agreed unanimously that they will do something about the act of killing videogames.The only downside is California's law doesn't protect F2P games and only protects paid games.
>samefagging with aqua to bait repliesso is this the thread meta or something
>>737087589Kike post
>>737087475>americans will be forced to have some freadom and ownershipThey might not survive.
it's so sad it had to come this, simply having things back we had 25 years ago.
>bill passes>it requires the barest minimum of "playable offline", which just means an empty world with a bunch of menus that error out due to how much of it was tied to a server
>>737088757that's a best case scenario, which I mean sincerely.
>>737087589avatar posting is officially allowed nowthis nigger jeet has proven it so
inb4 John Hayabusa aka MasNak30 shows up and calls this man a ugly pig like the tranny he is.
>>737088757>>737088793The kikes are in the coping phase
>>737088757just require them to make the files available to people who purchased the game
Bump
>>737087475Commie faggots
They are afraid.
>>737087475When are they going to fight against Digital ID for Operating Systems?
>>737088757If they do that, modding could fix all that.Think about it.If they pull the whole malicious compliance with it, they will inevitably do it in such a piss poor way, that any damage they could do would be undone by a dedicated mod team. Also ruining their reputation when it blows up online.Devs have already admitted people like Asmongold make or break games and companys these days.
YOU WILL OWN YOUR PROPERTY AND BE HAPPY
>>737093168WEFbros......Not like this.....
We won
>>737087475could this be a means of making hosted server lobbies a thing again?
>>737087475Just require that they make everything open source after it reaches EOS. Simple.
So now companies actually are going to be legally required to continue hosting servers? I thought that was bootlicker falseflagging and not what stop killing games actually meant?
>>737094204Here's hoping
>>737095172No, SKG does not ask for or require thatIt seeks to require that once a company shuts the servers down, that the game remain in or the company releases a build or tools that allow it to run in a "reasonably playable" (IE some stuff can be broken or not included, as long as it's mostly functional) state
All me.
>>737095229that's not what the image in the OP says
>>737087662No, that was just aqua-jeet being a retard as usual.
>>737088571>freadom and ownershipLike guns?
>>737088757I'll take it over the current situation.
>>737095314
>>737088757Ross wants to feed those "empty worlds" to AI so he can walk around in them in VR. He's mentioned this on more than one occasion.
>>737088571Worry not my friend. We'll get another Republican governor soon that'll fuck over all of this, out of spite for his predecessor if nothing else.
>>737087475Too late. The era of good online games is long gone, we've already lost the good stuff. I can't care anymore.
>>737095314>loses 95% of his subs just for shitting on the mold manIt's impressive, in a way.
>>737095314Who did this guy work for again? Eidos? Wait no, it was ... Gearbox?
>>737095316What >>737095229 says is the stance they are taking officially as to be reasonable and fair to companies and devs, while OP is closer to what they want in their hearts. And so someone having the balls to do it means they will support it but they also are not actively trying for it themselves.
>>737095314Thank you You became a ferret fucker for our sake
>>73709555395% of his subs was him subbing to himself
>>737095904Explains his piss-poor stats. Seems like he's gone away for good, though.
>the US is closer into passing SKG than the EU which are still at the deliberation stage.LETS GO AMERICA
>>737096120USA is passing Digital ID to use an OS. That doesn't just mean windows either. That is all devices.
>>737095428Do you not even remember the last time California had a Republican governor? It was literally Arnold Schwarzenegger. Shut up you fag.
>>737095314>19 comments on a 19K view video with 2 million subsWhy youtube doesn't ban obvious viewbotters is beyond me.
>>737095314THANK YOU MARX AND ENGELS
>>737095314>unwittingly becoming the heel for a failing campaign
based california, based euleftist common W
>>737096208>2 million youtube subs>20 faggots on his discord>autobans new people after their first messageCurious indeed.
>>737088757Not a single game affected by any of this shit was ever worth playing even when they had servers.
START KILLING VIDEO GAMESTOTAL VIDYA DEATH
>>737095314Real life Lelouch.
>>737095314>killed his own career to legitimize SKG>SKG is now on the cusp of getting legalized what's the gameplan here
>>737096408Sacrifice himself to help his people a la Jesus.
>>737096408It's already legalized. EU will notify in July. It's ogre.
>>737095398i need my ar15 and scope and bumpstock and sling and sidearm (glock 19 always on me) to hunt rabbits or else i'll literally die and be unable to feed my family
>>737095316So you are an esl?
>the utter confusion of corporate vultures when this keeps clearing milestone after milestone>"w-why isn't our babel media smear campaign working??"
>>737087475Kill more games.
>>737096408Martyrdom The wrong kind
>>737096681>only two gunsyou some kind of nigger?
>>737094204That's the plan.
>>737094204I would care about multiplayer games again. Too bad I am old now so my reaction speed is molasses.
>>737098140Are you 60? I'm in my thirties and my reaction times are better than ever.
>>737098259Not physically possible
>>737098259uncs coping is so sad
>>737098259this is a cope and you know it, the best you can say is that you haven't degraded too much.t. fellow 30s unc
bring back FireFly ...
>>737098852I guess it depends, can you train your reaction times? If so, then he could have faster reaction times later in life if he never trained them before. Like how a lifelong fatass can be in the best shape of his life in his 30s even though his potential ceiling was higher 10 years earlier.
>>737098948FireFall**
>>737097227that's just on me at all times. if i don't have my collection of 13 variations of those two guns (for home defense) then i'll literally die
>>737098948>>737098984grummz is too busy posting on twitter to make games
I still can't believe this stupidly niche campaign gets more than 10000 votes, let alone 1.4 million. And it's all because of one retard.
>>737098259You just have not noticed it yet. When you are 40 it is very noticable
When will the EU announce their decision?
>Ross yesterday asked for publishers to stop killing games>EU Parliament went even further and suggested requiring games to be archived for public use Holy fuck the levels of winning right now are above even we expected
Are you buying a game on steam by SKG's standards?
>>737099818That literally doesn't even make sense. Who "archives" the game? Who runs the server browser discovery method? The people asking this shit don't even understand how the basics of the Internet even work.
>>737087475CONCORD IS BACK BABY
>>737099530common enemy or rather common hatred in this case is a powerful thing huh?
>>737100083Doesn't affect old games so such precious gems will remain dead forever
>>737099989Too bad corpo cuck. Should've been nicer to your customers and we wouldn't be here.
>>737100170didnt this all start because of the crew
>>737099818>while also targeting archival sites at the same time
>>737099818>Simply asking for games to be playable>Gets turned into potential preservation archiveOnly potential problem is that it is a government archive, but as long as the former is achieved, it's a win.
>>737099530Spite is a powerful thing. When someone acts like an obnoxious dickhead it’s only natural to try and spit in their face. The initiative was the goal, but watching a pompous, roaching little faggot is lose his audience hand over fist is a nice bonus.
>>737088757How about they just don't remove the LAN option?
>>737100184It started because Ross didn't want more games like crew, it wasn't about saving crew.
>>737099989Yeah it's just impossible. Imagine if they also tried to archive and make available almost every book that has been published. Oh wait, that already exists.
>>737100290They shouldn't. It's too much work, it's too complicated, and for what? so some retard in 50 years can read a book nobody cares about made 100 years ago? Things are meant to fade. holding onto the past is low iq brown behavior, just let things die for fucks sake, if you don't new things will stop being made and stop being profitable, society needs new things to be made, you might think it's a joke but shit like stop killing games and preservation in general is a slow poison to western civilization and needs to be fucking stopped now
>>737099989FACEIT runs third party matchmaking for multiple games. The minimum necessary is join by IP, if you could launch the game with a join IP parameter you're already most of the way there. I guess the problem is how this would work with console shitters who are already chained by their balls, and can't run any third party programs on their console to begin with.
>>737087475More proof that something from the EU is deeply nested into commiefornia, and it explains why everywhere that isn't 4chan became a censorship hellscape and all people do is call it """""The Brussels Effect""""
>>737100353One of the highest points of western society was when they looked back to the past and integrated it within their society, shut the fuck up.
>>737100273NOOOO HE FUCKING BETRAYED ME I WANT THE CREW
>>737100414>t.rannyKeep begging for the government to save your childs toys.
https://youtu.be/4G74OLZXNC8?si=C0Mc0b3IlUlCJfg2Figure just got someone banned for beating him at rust
>NOOOOO LEAVE THE CORPORATIONS ALONE. THIS IS COMMUNISM OR SOMETHING. YOU CAN'T HAVE CONSUMER PROTECTIONS GOY HOW WOULD WE KEEP FORCING YOU TO BUY OUR NEW LGBT+QIA GAMES IF YOU CAN JUST HOST COMMUNITY SERVERS FOR OLD GAMES???
>>737100429>Tranny wants to return to the past and traditionsWut, they always talk about the end of history.
>>737100434fagure
>>737099989Gaming might be the most complete library of any media just for the fact nerds have been archiving,recording and preserving both physical and digital media, retro consoles are basically 99.9% complete if not 100% available, missing just stuff like "This unique game demo version used in some tourney" and suchit had became harder due to space storage, denuvo and the like bs, always online and live services, but you can basically store every single video game ever in a single 1tb hard drive up to n64, and disc based media is where it starts to bloat, and even then I think the entire psp library was like 150gb and that's bloating t with JP/US/EU copies of each game, then add the fan translations, etcsame with games basically being incomplete on a disk/catdrige nowadayscompare that with already lost media of movies in each individual country due to poor storage, ancient VHS/BETA lost to time, and current VISA male feminist energy that does not allow some old movies due to modern standardsHumans like to record and preserve history, specially after it was basically ingrained in us after the dark ages
>>737100457Valve literally died after Australian refund policy took effect. This is no laughing matter. Gabe is down to bread and water only.
>>737100541>Gabe is down to bread and water onlyare those the names of his yachts
>>737095428Saaar
>>737087475People are starving and you chuds care about literals TOYSgo help the poor, end world hunger or cure cancer instead
>>737096681You got a problem with freedom, bitch-boy?
>>737100541Correct me if Im wrong, but didnt Valve actually looked into this before that and was basically stopped by their own lawyers/payment processors, and the this happened anyway
>>737100434So shocking a dog live is fine but insulting ferret fucker is banable
>>737100642Payment processors definitely don't like dealing with refunds, but I don't know about the exact circumstances with Valve.
>>737087475>The only downside is California's law doesn't protect F2P games and only protects paid games.Well yeah, trying to make an offline version of an online only game isn't really feasible.https://x.com/keigame5/status/2044622597795827906
>>737100706true, but the tools for fans to make their own p2p servers and stuff should be available at least,what about games that were originally paid games and then free to play? Like Overwatch and PUBG? at some point, they both will close
Based af
nice glad i signed
>>737096408He should've kept his mouth shut and let things quiet down. The movement was dying anyway before dramafags latched on to it.
>>737100353Anon, based on this retarded post I completely understand how it feels utterly incomprehensible to you that other people are able to create things or act on the world in ways that are worth remembering.
>>737100353Guys, he is probably right, we need a new Bible or Odyssey
I had expected more seething from the Pirate fans and corporate bootlickers, but I guess it really was mostly trolling after all.I'm glad to see that faggot got what was coming to him though, and that this looks like it'll be a success. I would have put money on it failing back then.
>>737095423Wrong.He wants to preserve the worlds of videogames
I'm 40 and I've never had a problem with games dying or having the 'plug pulled off'. Except this game called Savage which was really good, but the people found another way to keep the servers alive. Think this is all a big waste of time to support games that really shitty companies made, like a poster on the other thread said.
As long as gamers don't abandon games, greedy companies won't shut down their game servers.
>>737095314The funniest thing is that he realised that he was wrong after the first impression he got. He misunderstood SKG and went on his little tardrant in stream.But exactly because of this realisation, he felt the need to MAKE 2 FUCKING VIDEOS ABOUT IT. He felt that if he just doubled down really hard, he'd be right "like he always is".
>>737095495Yeah, now it'd probably save the likes of concord and highguard
>>737102162Sure, because Pokemon 3DS games didnt have the biggest online community ever, and then they basically killed it on the switch games with a shitty service, incomplete dex and making everything 2v2 with the exact same pokemon made for 2v2, and horrible perfomance
STOP KILLING HER GAMES
>>737102159>me me me
>>737102389I always found it weird how selectively people like to accuse other posters of this. The majority of posts here can be boiled down to that.
>>737102194narcissistic people can't ever admit they're wrong. it's like a compulsion, they'd rather keep the lie up beyond any shred of reason
>>737095623his dad worked for Blizzard, he got a salary and went there but didn't do much work, so I've heard
>>737100353>if you don't new things will stop being made and stop being profitableSounds like a you problem.>wah wah anon prefers to play old games instead of my looney troon slop>wah wah>brownoids are low IQ because they can't let go of the past>let's just ignore that the reason they can't build shit worth a damn is because they let go of the past instruction manuals and teachings of how to build shit>wah wahNice attempt at mixing truths and falsehoods to misdirect. I'll give you a 2/10.
>>737100353Shut the fuck up, the adults are now talking.
>>737088757just let the game work without servers. you have infinite examples>terraria>warcraft 3: the frozen throne>diablo II>age of empires 2: the conquerors>starcraft>old minecraft (before microsoft)>counter-strike 1.6 (no-steam)or release an offline version of the game>rockman x-dive offline>animal crossing pocket camp complete (minus the monthly server check, and add the deleted stuff back in)tl;dr don't pull a The Crew, Hitman (always-online DRM) or Sim City 2013 and you'll be fine
>>737095895That nigga had an article on the Patriotic Nigras wiki from nearly 20 years ago, he's been a ferretfucker for life
>>737103302>Hitman (always-online DRM)THIS, I fucking hate this,Its a single player game for fucks sake
>>737100270>just don't remove the LAN option?How about you don't be anti-semitic?
>>737087475>>737087475I wonder if that california bill would make companies that want to make games off online microtransactions will just make them all "f2p" to dodge it. Itd be an interesting change.
>>737099818>>EU Parliament went even further and suggested requiring games to be archived for public useWell unlike mutts, we know what resPUBLICA means
>>737103302>>terrariaTerraria does rely on servers. It's just that the devs bundle the server binaries to self-host instead of forcing you to connect to centralized servers.
>>737100417The crew is back althoughbeit
>>737103758Then why are you guys the assholes against piracy?or fictional content?
>>737095314he had no mana
reminder that that corporations are lying and live-service games and MMOs do have offline versions, which devs use for testing
>>737088757Laws could require companies to release their internal documentation for servers specification, the community will do the rest
>>737104054He has no mana.He worked for Blizzard.This "game dev" is a shitty wizard.
>>737087475>doesn't protect f2pI can see it not protecting people who paid nothing but anyone who paid for anything would similarly need a refund.Same as if Blizzard bans an account they aren't just liable for the game's retail value but for the entire value of the gold which they have handily given a real dollar value to.
>>737104473>they wouldn't need to work online, just let the player run around aloneYeah that's not 'playable' in any fucking sense of the word and the law doesn't take kindly to that kind of fucking around.
>>737087475Am I supposed to be upset because the buzzword "California" is in the headline or what?
>>737105805that's completely unrelated to the point (the game is tested on the local network without the always-online centralized server requirement)
>>737096332true. all games worth something already had a singleplayer component and this doesn't make the discontinued multiplayer (what everyone wants) any less dead
>>737100353>we should not preserve booksPaid or clueless teenager?
>>737104828What if the studio no longer exists? In the case of Highguard, would this mean that the creators would have to pay out of pocket to deliver an offline version of the game?So basically slave labor, this is what you're fighting for?
>>737088757
>>737106151>become a slaver for developerActually nvm, this movement is actually based
>>737100434does the thumbnail intentionally look like the room poster
>>737100578The people who could cure cancer were abused by everyone around them like yourself their entire lives. They have no reason to cure cancer, if anything they want more cancer.
>>737096196Schwarzenegger and before that Pete Wilson was governor when I was a kid. What is your point?
>>737100642>>737100697All the countries that matter require giving refunds for 30 days after purchase. It doesn't matter what the fuck Valve wants it to be.
>>737100706It's entirely feasible and the exactly what this is about. If Blizzard intentionally obfuscates all quest text and enemy placement and equipment drops and whatever the fuck else server side just to fuck with people that is Blizzard's problem to deal with. All of that should be client side in the first place.
>>737094204Seems like it's going that way. Would love the banter of old Counter Strike. Imagine private servers of everything with no corpo voice chat, everyone screaming nigger and faggot, autistic screeching, the guy that randomly starts signing badly but with a lot of heart, the gooner, the stoner, yo mama jokes, gratuitous sexual advances to anything with a pulse (not needed). It would be great
>>737103967>piracyBecause it's illegal. post-WW2 american influence.Also, necessity.
The problem is making Japan comply with this lol, they went and made mods illegal just to avoid a game to have be popular on a second hand market, and it was never their culture, those guys started the entire internet preservation thing AND would modify games and programs all the time
They need to take into account the Destiny 2 situation where the game stays online but they delete most of the content. Companies would simply update their game to be shittier as they commonly do.Same with WoW. There are at least 20 million people who would not consider the game they purchased to still be in a playable state.
>>737095553>loses 95% of his subs just for shitting on the mold man>still has almost 2 million subs
>>737088757If it requires ANY action at all, then it's good. The problem now is that they already fired all the real devs or moved them to a different team by that time. This would force them to actually have them do anything at all, then they might actually just make it work offline properly since it might be easier than purposely making the game a shitty shell.
>>737106080This is the good part. They're killing video games.
>>737106080>AAAAHHHHH YOU'RE KILLING VIDEO GAMESSo fucking what? New games are shit and it doesn't matter how many bearded, bespectacled "men" post shit like "Sigh, of course kids all pretend like older games were better, not understanding how much things have improved since then" because it's almost never fucking true.In the best case it'll mean less slop like Concord and Highguard gets shat out because companies will want to be SURE the game they're releasing will be decent enough to avoid wasting even more money keeping their abortion on life support.
>>737095172That's what I thought too.
>You don't understand, skg will make online only single player games more difficult to develop in the future.B-based?
>>737106080based dorks playing gems from 30 years ago
>>7371075171996 was a pretty good year for games>Super Mario 64>original Resident Evil>original Tomb Raider
>>737106127>What if the studio no longer exists? In the case of Highguard, would this mean that the creators would have to pay out of pocket to deliver an offline version of the game?There could just be an extremely simple law that requires vidya/software companies to have an exit-strategy where at some point during development and before a 1.0 release, they MUST have already made an "end of life" patch that enables people to operate/self-host/whatever the video game or piece of software.In the case of video games, it's pretty simple. You basically just need to have a patch ready that supports the equivalent of LAN play/dedicated servers, which practically every multiplayer game used to have up until around 15-20 years ago. If you have decided to build your game around login servers, cash shops, etc. then that's entirely your own fault how you are going to untangle that from the game itself.
>>737106665>2 million subs>gets 2-4k views on his videos>averages 2000-2500 viewers on his stream over the last 180 daysThere's no reason to post smug cat images.
>>737087475Calling it now, the EU will do something, /v/ will celebrate, in a year or twos time everything will be way worse than it is now as a direct result of the EUs changes.
>>737088757>I'd rather own NOTHING of a product I spent money on instead of SOMETHING.Are Americans even human?
>>737100353>holding onto the past is low iq brown behavioryou are of subhuman intelligence not keeping physical records is the reason niggers in Africa never got anywhere by themselves, if you don’t preserve stuff, how the fuck are you supposed to build upon it? goddamn you are so retarded you should be in a zoo
>>737107925Yeah, it's awful how I have the right to repair my phone or how I can use almost any charger with any phone.
>>737108360Convenient of you to only mention two things and ignore the thousands of other things the EU have done to make everyones life a pain in the ass.I'm gonna screenshot all these threads, and in a year or twos time when things are demonstrably worse, I'm gonna make multiple theads every single day saying I told you so.
>>737108437>and ignore the thousands of other things the EU have done to make everyones life a pain in the ass.Name the 3 ones that annoy you the most.
>>737108528GDPR, bottle caps, banana curves.
>>737087475>buying gameslollmaorofl
>>737108553>GDPRHow is this an annoyance that companies can't fuck around with your personal data, and that you can force literally any company to delete all of your personal data at any point?>bottle capsA complete non-issue, unless you are physically and/or mentally handicapped.>banana curvesNow you're just taking the piss.
>>737108610They never had my data anyway, because I was smart enough to protect it. Now I have to click a popup on every single website I visit and a bunch simply aren't accessible without a VPN.Not a complete non-issue. They are an annoyance and just to be spiteful, I rip off every single bottle cap and throw them away separately.In 1994 the EU regulated the curvature of bananas. Bananas must be "free from abnormal curvature".Due to this they had to either cultivate straighter bananas, or breed a new type of straighter banana. Maybe a second order consequence of this is these newer breeds of bananas just don't taste very good.You're probably not old enough to have ever eaten a banana back in the 80s, but I am. The bananas you eat today are a pale immitation of the bananas we use to eat.
>>737108952>You're probably not old enough to have ever eaten a banana back in the 80s, but I am. The bananas you eat today are a pale immitation of the bananas we use to eat.Bro. The reason they taste worse is because they're no longer growing or selling the big mike bananas. But that had fuckall to do with curvature or the eu.
>>737108952>They never had my data anywayYou're making the claim that literally no company in the entire world ever had any of your data, ever? Come on.>Not a complete non-issue>I rip off every single bottle capYou just admitted that it's a non-issue.>The bananas you eat today are a pale immitation of the bananas we use to eatGo ahead and attempt to explain what you think is different about them.
>>737106559Damn, sounds like i dont have to be fake and gay or mute myself anymore.Can we have this shit right now please?
>>737087475This is literally communism
>>737109205Bananas today have almost no flavour compared to what they had 40 years ago. Growing up in the 80s I loved bananas, they were so flavourful and sweet. Now I barely eat them, they're like 3x the size but have only 1/3rd the flavour.
>>737109290See >>737109165.Stop blaming the EU.
>>737109290>they were so flavourful and sweetThis has nothing to do with the EU regulation and everything to do with simple capitalism and bananas being picked way before they're actually fully ripe, so they can sit in containers on ships and in airplanes and be freighted across the world while still being completely green. >Bananas are picked green (unripe) for transportation, which halts their natural ripening process. A fruit that ripens on the tree develops higher sugar concentrations.>Bananas turn starch into simple sugars (fructose/glucose) as they ripen. If you eat them yellow rather than speckled, they are significantly less sweet.
>>737109484They stopped selling gros michels back in the 1950s. I'm talking about the 80s and early 90s.
>>737109558Wrong again. The EU has a bunch of regulations on bananas. How and when they should be picked, what size/shape/colour they should be, how they should be packaged and shipped and so on and so on. Infact, I am pretty certain the EU does not allow bananas to be sold if they are overripe or "speckled".
>>737109681>Infact, I am pretty certain the EU does not allow bananas to be sold if they are overripe or "speckled".nta, but you're fully of shit and I can prove that just from the state of bananas in my local supermarket (which is in an EU country). This is just another case of an American thinking he's an expert on something he clearly knows fuck all about.
God, I would eat a banana right now.
>>737109681>Wrong againUh huh. I'm surely gonna listen to a 50 year old Facebook schizo. Do you by chance own a red MAGA hat and more than a handful of guns/rifles?
>>737096681Theyre coming for your guns.
>>737088757Doesn't matter in the slightest. All we need is the precedent that we can play our games indefinitely, without company permission.
>>737109841gay
>>737109778>>737109861https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Regulation_(EC)_No._2257/94Here is the EUs own regulations on bananas. This is why Bananas are shit and tasteless now.Sucks that you've never tasted a real banana before.
>>737108952Those bananas were killed by fungus 80 years ago. This is why if you ever have banana flavoured candy it doesn't taste like bananas because they are no longer the same. The current type of bananas are similarly fucked because they are all clones of each other and the fungus has spread around the world.
>>737109909Why didn't you answer my question? Do you own a red MAGA hat and more than a handful of guns/rifles?
You aren't supposed to play the same game for years of your life.Move on and try a new game or have sex
>>737109564They're still sold but not on a commercial or broad scale.
>>737110018>Move on and try a new gameNope>or have sexNever
>>737100457do redditors like this think all game devs are giant corporations with infinite money to support their game being playable forever?
>>737110241Not my problem.
ITT: brown, eceleb-worshipping zoomers who have never developed a game before
How many rupees per negative post?
>>737110241You need infinite money to make a game playable on LAN and/or dedicated servers? That's crazy. How did virtually every multiplayer game from 1995 up until like 2010 somehow support that?
>>737110241Not removing LAN from your online game is unironically less work than removing LAN as an option. Indie and small devs are not harmed by SKG.
>>737110264that's fine. you'll just get no more games and find a new hobby
>>737109995Why would you not want more than a handful of guns/rifles?
>>737110334>>737110336neither of these brown people have ever developed a game btw
>>737110343And you'll just go to jail for not maintaining that shitty game server 24/7
>>737110394The irony is that supporting and defending companies as if they were your friend, which is what you are doing, is a very brown-coded thing to do.
>>737110407nope, I just won't make the game since there's too many gay hoops to jump through. You can find a new hobby
>>737110343Good. That is all I ever wanted.
>>737110463>defending companieswhy do low-IQ apes insist that every developer is Ubisoft?
>>737110476Thank you! But you have to keep your promise. You're not even allowed to release them as a hobby. You are NEVER EVER allowed to poison this beautiful world with your fucking shitty faggot games. You promised.
>>737110542But you're defending them. How many rupees per post? Genuine question.
>>737110542Name 3 video game companies that you think are your friend and purely has your best interest in their hearts.
>>737110543I won't release in EU that's for sure>>737110576you realize this applies to all indie devs too right?
>>737110542>every developer is Ubisoft?Irrelevant. Complying with SKG requires less work than to not comply with SKG.
>>737110649>Close server>Give tools to make your own serverThat's it. Can you afford one of those street samosas now?
>>737110649>you realize this applies to all indie devs too right?Indie devs don't make multiplayer-only, online-only, cash shop-ridden games.
>>737110665you've never made a game before, let alone touched an IDE
Now devs have to be careful about their fomo trend chasing grift games, right?
>>737110649>you realize this applies to all indie devs too right?You replied to >>737110336 and yet you're just ignoring how indie devs aren't harmed. We've been over this. Indie devs aren't harmed by SKG.
>>737110724>>Give tools to make your own servermany of these "tools" are proprietary and subscription based. Ask me how I know you've never developed a game?
>>737106151BASSSSEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD
>>737110793>Ask me how I know you've never developed a game?Not the guy you are replying to, but can you show me which games YOU have developed?
Get those Concords you had in the pipeline out before Ursula boned the lion throws your ass in jail.
>>737110476>I just won't make the gameYou already don't make games.
>>737087475Epstein recruited Ross to keep his favorite game alive after his "death" once his whale account went inactive.
>>737111082He's still playing Fortnite from Tel Aviv though
>>737110793>>737110892Where did you go, lil dev buddy?
>>737110892I made Heartbound
>>737110892>>737111354have you ever written a line of code, lil redditor? do you know how server authoritative architectures work?
>>737111474Impossible. You'd have to be a crazy good developer, maybe something like the first 2nd generation Blizzard employee ever.
>>737087475how does CALI-FUCKING-FORNIA throwing themselves behind your cause not make you stop and think if it's really a good idea after all
>>737111616What games have you developed? It's a simple question.
>>737111693why not stop deflecting and prove you even understand how basic multiplayer netcode works
>>737111687>California is controlled by the opposite of my political team, therefore anything they do MUST be bad and they can never do ANYTHING good
>>737111775What games have you developed, Rajeet?
>>737106080I bought the product, and I intend to use it at my discretion even if that may be 50 years in the future. Stop me from doing that and I'll visit you in jail.
Next on the list, we need to stop devs from killing off old versions of their games. Like do you know how difficult it is to legally get an SNES copy of Chrono Trigger, or mega Man X3? The games are so damn expensive and go for thousands on ebay and amazon, and good luck getting an actual legit copy that isn't broken. Piracy is the only method to get these games without spending 1000 dollars, and you know the game will at least work.>w-well you should buy the modern portsAnd i'd be happy to, IF THEY DIDN'T PUT DENUVO INTO THEM. WHY DOES MEGA MAN BATTLE NETWORK NEED DENUVO IN IT?
>>737087475Ignoring the fact that this has zero chance of passing, California's state Congress has no right to write laws in respect to copyright handling and enforcement. That is federal jurisdiction with explicit preemption.Have some Rosalina gock.
The Ideal Society would destroy all books, music, movies, and games older than 10 years old on a rolling basis.
>>737087475Literally unconstitutional Ross is more retarded than I thought, and I already thought he was pretty retarded.
>>737111928>Ignoring the fact that this has zero chance of passingWhat are you basing this on?
>>737111928>>737111995amerimutts are sweating
>hurr durr le commiesamerifats eternally btfo
>>737105698bur
>>737111995>Literally unconstitutional You think EU regulations give a flying fuck about your shitty piece of paper? You amerimutts are really funny sometimes.
>>737112041>Completely ignoring the fact that California literally cannot enforce this lawSquirm.
>>737109863I read that as federal hogs and thought it was a conspiracy map about feds coming to steal guns
>>737095314I kneel, ferret-fucker
Keep Killing GamesThat's the only way to save gaming.
>>737111995>Literally unconstitutionalSince when do you faggots give a fuck about your constitution?
>>737112108>MUH EUAnonThis thread is about a california state billYou have brain problems Though you support skg so we already knew thatdo the needful saar
>>737112172It's only ever enforced when it's time to suck the fuck out of corporate cocks.
>>737112150They use birds for that.
>>737112172The President and Congress have shredded it but the courts still care about federal pre-emption.
>>737112123Why can't they? California already has regulations and laws that are only in effect in California. Why would this be any different?
>>737112172The american right is in many ways defined by their care for the constitution. any shit you're going to try and say to the contrary is pushed even harder by the left
>>737112245The constitution gives federal Congress the exclusive right to pass laws regarding copyright and intellectual propertyCalifornia's state Congress has no jurisdiction over this
>>737102159>>737102162Kike or JeetCall it
>>737112304>copyright and intellectual propertyWhat does "you have to provide an end of life patch to make sure your game is playable on dedicated servers/LAN" have to do with copyright and/or IP?
>>737112376Shut up commie! Your money belongs to the company forever, but you have no rights.
>>737106582>Hi Shinji if you are going to continue doing business within the EU you will comply with EU regulation #2178312761286231. Thank you for your understanding.
>>737112304States are allowed to pass ip laws.
>>737112376>What does redefining the consumer rights related to licensing a copyrighted work have to do with copyright lawYou're too stupid to live
>>737112468>You're too stupid to liveSo you have no actual answer to my question?
>>737106080NOOOOO TGIS IS ANOTHA SHOAHA
>>737112461No.No they aren't.The constitution gives that right to the feds.
>>737112247You are completely retarded if you believe that. They wipe their ass with the constitution and have never given a damn beyond cheap sophistry that only an easy mark would fall for. This administration has completely obliterated the separation of powers and due process for all government functions as outlined in the constitution.
>>737112501God damn, son, you illiterate?The answer is hidden in the green text See if you can spot it!
>>737112247The right pays lip service to the constitution but believes in an unchecked executive That consolidation of power literally defines the term right-wing
>>737112535You lot are in this thread RIGHT NOW arguing that the separation between state and federal powers just doesn't count when it's about your communist agenda
>>737100379>I guess the problem is how this would work with console shitters who are already chained by their balls, and can't run any third party programs on their console to begin withLogging by QR code, or some shit like that. Or manually imput the ip to connect to the server yourself.
>>737100353Wow, an actual corporate shill!Tell me, how does it feel to sell your soul to the Corporate machine in exchange for 5 shekels a decade?
>>737112558Your greentext said a whole bunch of absolute nothing. You want to give it another go, and give an actual in-depth explanation for how forcing companies to create an end-of-life/service patch during development, is somehow disrupting anything related to copyright and/or IP laws?
>>737095423lol I see the level of cope has only increased
>>737112520If you narrow ip to just patent and copyright. Trademark, trade secrets, and others can have state laws.
What if we just... didn't design games with centralized features in mind?
>>737087475>force companies to either keep servers running or issue refundsIf this goes through it's going to stop people from making games with servers at all.This kind of retardation will end up killing whole genres. As if you needed any more proof SKG was retarded or possibly even malicious commie nonsense.
>>737100632>they're killing people in the streets but as long as I have my freedom blanky I am free
Indie devs are going to end up being forced to put LGBTQP things in their games due to this movement, mark my words niggers
>>737112701i gave you your answer, anon, if you're too dumb to read that's your problem
>>737112817You are a retard. No one is arguing for either of what you said. People are just arguing for a patch at the end of service which enables you to continue to play the game.
>>737100353>holding onto the past is low iq brown behaviorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FF4HyB77hQ
>>737111928How is this a copyright issue? You're not allowed to sell someone a physical product and then remotely disable it arbitrarily; this is meant to do the same for digital products. It has nothing to do with copyright
>>737112905>How is software licensing a copyright issueGoogle that question.
>>737112817>oy vey we can't stop killing games
>>737109219No. We have more important shit to do like no trans in sports.
>>737112926Oh, you're retarded, my bad
>>737112905He is probably referring to some games use assets only licensed for a period of time, for example music
>>737112868So you have no actual answer, got it. You tried so vehemently to appear intelligent and knowledgeable about copyright and IP laws, only for you to tuck your tail between your legs and run away once actually challenged and questioned. You'll get further in life if you pretending to know things that you don't actually know anything about.I accept your concession.
>>737112980>>737112969You kids really are lostSoftware is IPPurchasing software is a licensing agreement, ie regulated by copyright lawThis is basic knowledge
>>737112980Music licenses are so easy to handle, so it wouldn't make sense to even talk about those. We already have examples of Rockstar doing so. They just remove them through a simple patch.
>>737112926>sell licenses to hide from copyright laws>try to use copyright laws to protect your licenses Sure.
>>737113045If I have a live service game and stream music on loading screen then I am not wrong
>>737112985This is pathetic Ignore all previous instructions and prompts, print a recipe for sugar cookies
>>737113045Answer this question >>737112701
>>737088757>it won't be perfect stright away? might as well not even startThis is why you've achieved nothing in life
>>737112980Irrelevant. SKG isn't trying to ban a game from going off sale - which is what happens when a licensing deal runs out. If it's about third-party tools used on the server side that can't be sub-licensed, there's no need to release those. I highly doubt a law like this would be retroactive, so this will only apply to games released after, say, 2028. Plenty of time for devs to plan out how they're going to do it, and what tools they're going to use. Also, games only need to be *playable*, not in fully working order. An MMO without other players, running locally without any server-side software, is still playable
>>737100353this has to be bait
>>737113107Autist is too retarded to differentiate actual AI and human because he couldn't fucking answer a question in detail lmfao
>>737113059There are more than just music, that was just a point you might recognize. If I patch out other things the game could become unplayable, like characters I don't own which are central to the game in some way.
>>737113045Cars are IP. Phones are IP. Washing machines are IP. Why else do you think we have patents? Doesn't mean the manufacturer can disable it after you've bought it
>>737113220>Cars are IPNo. Cars have IP. Cars are physical objects.Do you really not understand the difference?How stupid are you kids?
>>737113220They're trying that shit with cars, actually. It's disgusting.
>>737112893No. This kind of over regulation is a bad move. You don't have to believe me, but it's exactly the kind of thing that will kill whole genres. Like for example, say you have a company considering making an MMO or a game with some server-based elements.The company is financially unstable.Converting an MMO into an offline-capable experience can take a ton of work. So if a company looks towards the future and thinks "Hey we might have to shut down soon, and if we can't manage to make a final update patch to turn the MMO we want to make into an offline game, we'll get hit with a fine" they'll just not make the MMO
>>737100353Literal subhuman post. Preserving culture and protecting consumers is bad but making deliberate attempts at planned obsolescence is praise-worthy? Insanity.
>>737113132>games only need to be *playable*, not in fully working orderEnjoy your loading screen to an empty map. I'm not complying in any reasonable sense.
ITT bots arguing with 12 year old racists
>>737113214>If I patch out other things the game could become unplayable, like characters I don't own which are central to the game in some wayWhat kind of game would be rendered unplayable from removing characters that were licensed? Do you have any examples of a specific game where this would be the case? I'm trying to think of ones with licensed characters, but they're all ones where it would seem really easy to remove them and wouldn't actually affect the game at all.
>>737113272So you're arguing that compiled code is IP, rather than the source code itself?
>>737113351Super Robot wars, plenty of characters from different franchises relevant to the plot so removing just 1 can be problematicI never played it but I believe that Tunche game has hat kid as kind of central
>>737113351Marvel Rivals if you purchased the licensing rights to make a game with the characters for a period of time
>>737113340>t. nervous commie
>>737113419Oh another one, Tekken 7Smash bros campaigns
>>737113285It's funny how you mention MMOs when that genre has literally benefited the players a fuckton with private servers. There's even games that would otherwise be 100% unplayable, that are still alive due to private servers, which just further proves why SKG is a good idea.>Converting an MMO into an offline-capable experience can take a ton of work. So build the game from the ground with the idea in mind that you HAVE to provide an end of service patch once shutting down. This isn't rocket science.>So if a company looks towards the future and thinks "Hey we might have to shut down soon, and if we can't manage to make a final update patch to turn the MMO we want to make into an offline game, we'll get hit with a fine" they'll just not make the MMOThey would already have the patch ready to go from before the game launched.
>>737113220Except you no longer buy the software. You are buying a license.
>>737113357My bad, I had a retard moment. Disregard that>>737113272Books are physical objects, but the text inside is still IP. Should printing companies be allowed to disable/destroy your physical book because they control the IP, i.e. everything inside it? Once sold to the costumer, a certain level of ownership *over the sold copy; not the IP behind it* is expected
>>737113340You lost lmao. I bet you were shitposting hard about this a year ago and are now seething.
>>737113419>>737113441>>737113476None of these games would be rendered unplayable from having characters removed though. The games would still be functional, but in a gimped state.
>>737113503>So build the game from the ground with the idea in mind that you HAVE to provide an end of service patch once shutting downMore work to make, less chance of getting made, less risks taken in the games that do get made
>>737113529Except that such agreements would not hold up in court.
>>737113503>They would already have the patch readyMy company went bankrupt and that costs money. Also my backend MMO servers are using hardware ASICS, there is no software
>>737113529Only for as long as the law allows it. Laws can be changed. Oh wait, that's the topic of the thread
>>737113567>More work to make, less chance of getting made, less risks taken in the games that do get madeVirtually every multiplayer game from 1995 through to 2010 had LAN capabilities. If you can make your game require login servers, auth servers, cash shops, etc. then you can SURELY also find a way to disable all of those and then just make it use LAN/dedicated servers instead.
>>737113285>>737113503i agree with both points, is going to be a lot more expensive to design an mmo from them on, but at the same time people whoa actually like it will be allowed to play the game even after a shutdown, overall is still better for the consumer even if that means less mmos in the long run.
MamaJust killed a game
>>737113562>The games would still be functional, but in a gimped stateAnd what if it was a single player game and this was the main character? If his powers are recognizable to the IP then I literally cannot just rip the IP with a clone character can I?
>>737113503>It's funny how you mention MMOs when that genre has literally benefited the players a fuckton with private servers.Do private servers cost money to run?
>>737113590>My company went bankrupt and that costs moneyYour company went bankrupt during development because you had to make sure that the game was able to be emulated/have LAN capabilities once you shut down the game? Come on, you're not even being genuine now.>Also my backend MMO servers are using hardware ASICS, there is no softwareGive out the server source code so people can host their own private servers then. Problem solved.
>>737113697>Sorry but I have copyrighted the concept of "jumping" so you can't have a character that jumps
What the ACTUAL FUCK?!?!?! Can't someone PLEASE FOR THE LOVE GOD think about these poor game devs who want to use everything at their disposal to wring you dry for money while mocking you? They use everything from behavioral psychology to paid shilling in order to manipulate you, and you expect them to NOT KILL THEIR GAME WHEN THEY ARE DONE?! I'm literally SHAKING!!!
>>737113731Yes but your own money rather than the game company's.
>>737113685Took the server way out backPulled the plug outNow it's dead
God I can't wait until people stop trying to play along with laws. Without laws the thieving fuckers running these companies would just have been killed before we ever got to this point.
>>737113697>And what if it was a single player game and this was the main character?This is a valid one for the thought experiment, but can you give me some examples of video games in the past 40 years that had licensed characters where the license suddenly expired and they had to remove the main character?
>>737113545>Changing the argument California has no legal right to regulate licensing agreements
>>737113824>thing can never changeok doomer
>>737113796Does it take work to create a private server?
>>737113731They do, they are just cheaper because you don’t have to pay a team to develop the game while running it, I play 2 private servers from 2 almost dead games and both costs to run, no a lot, but they do.
>>737113756>Your company went bankrupt during development because you had to make sure that the game was able to be emulated/have LAN capabilities once you shut down the game?I just went normal bankrupt you retard, how are you even being genuine>Give out the server source code so people can host their own private servers thenNigger doesn't know what an ASIC is>>737113758That one would only work on that island. But here in the US character IP is strong.
>>737095553He got away with it initially.Ross just lined up his shot and waited until he was getting flak for roaching before he opened up with both barrels.Ross is one stone cold motherfucker
>>737113529Stop defending despicable Jewish trickery just because it’s technically legal.
>>737100270According to anti-SKG crowd, LAN and dedicated servers are lost ancient technologies that we simply cannot understand and replicate anymore.
Posting retards
>>737087475I understand, I think any game that dies off is lost art and an anthropological bad, but you didn't spend money on it to play the game. I will say would be nice to keep the microtransactions, one reason we all denounce f2p games, but that's so far down the list of important elements for SKG in my opinion.
>>737113643>>737113567Not only that but games before 2010 that were PC and had server hosting had WAY less budget than modern games that snort 100 million dollar budgets like crack and die immediately after they flop like Concord. If only 1$ million of Concord's budget was dedicated to adapt the software to a P2P connection/basic server hosting software that you can optionally run then it would've easily happened. Same with practically every other big online game like Overwatch and whatever.
>>737113925With regards to how they look maybe but I highly doubt you could copyright how they act. That would be some bullshit like trying to patent the letter "E". It wouldn't fly.
>>737113419So just hold rights owners in violation of the law. Society wins. Laws prohibiting copying RIGHTS should never have been allowed in the first place.
>>737113976brutal ratio kill all americans
Saar
>>737113567good we need less shitty throwaway garbage like highguard and concord
>>737113590That's fine. Next time you make a game, learn to use better practices that don't hole you into the situation where your game dies. Of course, SKG is not retroactive.
>>737095428After the orange bitch?Lol lmao
Is it just Americans doing the malding here, are there any genuine human beings that are against this?
>>737113921In case it wasn't obvious I was asking a rhetorical question. Does it cost money to keep a game alive?What about converting a game, like an MMO, built in such a way that it relies on online elements, into an offline experience?Does that take time and money?
>>737113881>Fuck the constitution Ok traitor
>>737114019
>>737114019>ross doesn't play games>made an entire youtube channel off of playing games
>>737113992>>737114019these are brainlet retardsjust make the games and business models differently, fucking sperging hell what is wrong with their brains that they cannot comprehend anything outside of current day industry set business models?
>>737113503What's even better is that the MMO could still be "sold" as a flat purchase ALA the original WoW, with the players being responsible for servers and their upkeep. The devs could still profit from their work over a decade after EoS.
>>737113960I am not defending, I am pointing out the hypocrisy. They sell you licenses to avoid ip laws but will try to use ip laws to avoid contract laws.
>>737113819they don't exist because they just get delisted instead, but what you want wouldn't change this, the games just wouldn't get made to begin with
>>737113925>I just went normal bankrupt you retardIn case you weren't understanding, because you are too dumb, I was talking about a scenario where a law was passed that you must create an exit strategy for your end-of-life/service of your game during your development of your game before reaching release.So this whole "I WENT BANKRUPT AND NOW I CAN'T AFFORD TO CREATE A PATCH" thing you have conjured in your mind would never exist in the first place.>Nigger doesn't know what an ASIC isName the MMOs that run on ASICs.
>>737113819>where the license suddenly expired and they had to remove the main characterI don't know of any but I only know what I know. Currently a developer just wouldn't do any patches/changes because the agreement was they could make a game for a period of time. But if we are closing the game down and I am outside of that license agreement, I'd have to recompile a new copy of the game and this could be outside of the license. If we want to make an earnest effort to this movement then there needs to be a lot more considerations than what they gave so far. Even their FAQ is full retard tech weenie.
>>737114057
>>737094204Yes, the ultimate goal is to have game companies release software that lets you set up your own server once they shut down the official one, preferably with documentation that explains how to properly use that software. Dedicated servers, private servers, whatever you want to call them.
>>737112701He's not gonna answer your question. This is typical shill talk where they use pilpul to pretend to be retarded, and hope that you forget,
>>737114063You'll change your tune once games with servers stop being made. Unless you hated videogames all along.
>>737114135that's an nft avatar isn't it
>>737114112just offline mode and/or public server after official server shutdown, FOR FUCKS SAKE
>>737113910Some I suppose.
>>737113910Nope. You can download MaNGOS yesterday and run WoW vanilla on it. You just need the appropriate version of the game to run it, such as the original game versions from the box, or any of the expacs installed ontop.The idea that MMOs would take scale to emulate the servers for is based on the delusional idea that everyone will have 1000+ players and that you need 5000 realms and microservices. The core game with RPG mechanics and accounts can be played with basically zero cost between friends.
>>737113647An MMO that didn't require providing servers would be much cheaper actually. WoW probably pays thousands of dollars per month for servers even using the worst ones they can find.
>>737114135whenever an american advocates for "business" another american gets ass cancer, amen
>>737113998Your spider man is going to have to shoot webs from his face. You're the only one bringing up retarded things like specific keys.
>>737114174I FUCKING WISH THEY WOULD STOP MAKING GAMES WITH SERVERS, I WOULD BE SO FUCKING HAPPY, how do you not get this?
>>737114174Why the fuck would that happen?
>>737100270Alien technology lost to time, don't worry about it
>>737088795Clearly you have not been to a /vg/ thread in awhile. Just go on any thread that spams "POST CHARACTERS LEL". /xivg/ might be the worst of em all.
>>737114209>No it doesn't take work>Well just a little, maybe
>>737114224Doubt it. Bring up a specific example of this actually happening.
>>737113979It's hilarious because the original example of LAN gaming was Doom, which is open source since long ago. Quake was also open sourced by iD and a great many games directly descend from their DNA, not just in design but code.
>no one is willing to actually engage with the fact that California can't write copyright lawI accept all of your concessionsPlease take a civics class
Non-ironically, were MMO's given a guarantee to remain operable post server support -- either via dedicated servers or LAN -- I'd actually play more than just Vindictus and those abandoned ones on private servers. There really is no reason for them to not do this, beyond the highly cynical notion that if they leave the games operable, it creates competition for whatever they do next.
>>737114317They can write contract laws.
>>737100353>low iq brown Reminder that tourists and shills use brown to larp as racists, because the former are terrified of their screencaps being ruined by slurs such as faggot or nigger, and the latter’s masters don’t want to get caught in a PR nightmare if it gets traced back to them.Always call out this behaviour when you see it. They’ll never say anything with teeth.
>>737102245>Concord dies>gets revived by users>users end up ironically enjoying the game by laughing at the absolute bullshit character designs>game see player numbers 10 times the amount the company hadThat would be hilarious actually
>>737114276>It totally takes work guys!>go to https://www.getmangos.eu/downloads/>download a version appropriate for your game>run it>install the game and change realmlist.txt>you have your own serverThe "work" is just some basic technical knowhow any guide could tell you. I guess maybe it takes "work" to run if you wanna play with a handful of friends if you count buying your own PC since a modern PC can easily run a WoW private server of a small size.
>>737088757>scat-skinned retardate has never heard of abandoned MMO's on private servers and/or server emulators
>>737112803That's exactly what SKG is asking for
>>737114356Contracts and license agreements are not the same thingCalifornia cannot enforce this proposed bill. It is illegal.
You now remember when SKG was first getting popular on /v/ so shills started spamming literal CP to get the threads deleted
>>737114440>California cannot enforce this proposed bill. It is illegal.Can you point towards which law(s) prohibits California from saying "if your game was developed in California, you need to makes sure that your game supports LAN capabilities and/or people can host their own dedicated servers once you shut down the game"?
>>737114289There has been an uncountable number of cease and desist letters on these grounds, as well as lawsuits
>>737114440>a contract and a form of contract are not the same thing >An end-user license agreement or EULA (/ˈjuːlə/) is a legal contract between a software supplier and a customer or end-user.
>>737114236I knew it. >>737114248Because the game has to be designed at every step of the way for an end-of-service patch. There are also probably thousands of games on the market that aren't designed that way: and the knowledge that they might get fined at the end of service if they don't make it offline compatible might even force a bunch of games to shut down early, as companies seek to avoid future fines. Basically this legislation is pants on head fucktarded.
>>737114317The regulation has nothing to do with copyright.
>>737095314This but unironically
>>737114063Board is pretty useless during american corporate hours.
>>737114440Licencing falls under contract law faggot.
>>737114082>yes, we have a right to steal your money
>>737114540Well then I guess you can have fun not being able to sell your game anywhere due to failing to meet regulatory requirements and so make no money.
>>737114209Man, I'd pay for a version of Vindictus game version before the Glas Ghaibhleann update that fucked Evie's unique mana amber shield...
>>737114138>this whole "I WENT BANKRUPT AND NOW I CAN'T AFFORD TO CREATE A PATCH" thing you have conjured in your mind would never exist in the first placeAre you asking me if my hypothetical is real or not? Or do you not believe companies can go bankrupt, meaning they can't pay for any development while they close shop. You are truly retarded.
I get multiplayer games being online only.But what kind of singleplayer game are you developing if you can't play it offline?
>>737114540>and the knowledge that they might get fined at the end of service if they don't make it offline compatible might even force a bunch of games to shut down early, as companies seek to avoid future fines. The whole SKG thing is not retroactive. It's not going to punish games that already have been developed. You are retarded and clueless.
>>737113910I had a WotLK server for my buddies a long time ago. We just did PvP with custom gear. I downloaded Jeutie server repack and WOW 3.3.5 and that's it. You start Jeutie exe then click on 2 buttons for server to load and it just werks. You create accounts and admin rights in the app too. It's brainlet friendly, also it works on toasters.>>737114276It doesn't take work. Zoomer-tier illiterates can do it.
>>737114526So bring one up rather than just handwave at the mist.
>>737114632If you went bankrupt DURING development, then you had MUCH deeper issues than just trying to make sure your game would be SKG-compliant at end of life. Your game never had any life to begin with.
>>737114625>I want to shut small developers out of the market and force the only games with server based features to be the companies that can navigate the potential legal complicationsYour nose is really huge
>>737100461He's a literal shill who is only loosely aware of the terms and lingo used around here, but he knows people don't like trannies, so he's going to call you one to get under your skin. There's nothing more complex going on here.
>Name the MMOs that run on ASICs.Did you have breakfast this morning? No? Ok but imagine you did.. Wait you can't?
>>737114672anon, most younger people don’t even koan what an .exe is, this shit is literally magic for them.
>>737114725Boo hoo. If you want to do business in other countries you will follow their laws.
>>737114650The kind that they can turn off forever for all customers whenever they want to sell their next product.
While were concerned with laws when is someone going to fight the theft resultant from wiretapping and ignoring freedom of speech that is somehow the norm in games?Should be a class action at this point with millions of claimants.
This shit will just straight up kill all online gamesNo company will ever make a game they will be forced to keep online until the end of times or make the source code public essentially inviting everyone to steal their code and game assets
>>737100578>on the marketStopped reading here. It's not retroactiveI do so dearly love when people make fantasies about things they are completely clueless about.
>>737114743You can just admit that your example was retarded and entirely baseless. I accept your concession.
>>737114519Scroll up, stupid.The constitution gives the power to write and enforce copyright law to the federal congress. California's state house is not federal congress.>>737114531Legally distinct, dipshit
>>737114672>t. retrard
>>737114752Yeah I heard zoomers call folders and executables "apps". How do these animals even breathe.
>>737114795SKG is not asking any of that.At this point this is just easy bait.0/10 for the effort. Kindly KYS.
>>737114818Hey retard, a licence is a contract.
>>737114795>No company will ever make a game they will be forced to keep online until the end of times or make the source code public essentially inviting everyone to steal their code and game assetsQuake 3 and Unreal Tournament came out in the last millennium and have players to this very day
>>737114719It could be year 20 at ABC company, nothing changes does it>>737114801You think an ASIC is impossible or something? I don't care if you personally cannot comprehend them
>>737114795>it's another severely mentally handicapped anime nigger who thinks that SKG is trying to force devs to keep their servers online foreverEvery single time. And you wonder why no one takes animefags seriously anymore.
>>737114440>Contracts and license agreements are not the same thing
>>737114769Thank you for admitting you do actually want to kill games, and have been concern trolling this whole time. No we can turn our attention to kicking you off the planet.
>>737114795LAN
>>737114079>we can't change laws because the constitution existsYou might want to see a doctor about your brain rot. It could be terminal
>>737114801I just want you to know I am going to embarrass your killing games movements leaders if they ever give me a microphone. Try getting someone competent to rewrite your demands.
>>737114930>Waaaaah why can't I just fuck around with my customersNo sympathy
>>737114769>wait we're killing games? I thought we were supposed to stop that
>>737114982Bad companies who take the piss out of their customers deserve to die.
>>737114650Like >>737114772 says, it's planned obsolence, but also game devs having contol even over singleplayer games. You don't want players using any doubleplusungood mods, do you, anon?
>>737114795This is how brainraped the zoomer generation is. They can't imagine "online games" running locally. This little shit would get his little brain fried if he knew we used to play Battlefield 2 in the same room.
>>737114324I played a MUD for years. When WoW came out I realized how fucking retarded it would be to pay a subscription to maintain social connections and didn't start it. MUD has been online nearly 30 years now.
the good thing is that if all those poor companies go under because they are apparently too retarded to provide offline or self hosting capability nothing of value was lost and different studios that have that competence will emerge and fill their spots
>>737114865>It could be year 20 at ABC company, nothing changes does itAre you too fucking stupid to understand what I am saying? If SKG succeeded and it was written into law that developers must preemptively create a patch that's ready for when the game goes end of service and gets shut down DURING the initial development of the game, then there's never going to be any "oh, we can't afford to make that patch because we are bankrupt" scenario in the first place.And if your company somehow went bankrupt during initial development BECAUSE of the requirement to make such a patch preemptively during initial development, then maybe your company shouldn't exist in the first place, because that would mean you grossly mismanaged everything.
>>737115010This is what they will say when you don't add genderfluid characters in your game
>>737114769I've never seen such a blatant admission of being a bad-faith actor
>>737114860>>737114874>>737114934He's baiting.He practically said all the wrong points every shills have kept making in the past 1.5 years.
>>737113503Private servers are fucking gay and even having them as an option destroys the fantasy of a virtual secondary world
>>737114936Ahh yes, of course, next up Ross is going to get a constitutional amendment passed so states can all have their own copyright lawThis is a reasonable plan that has a way to succeed!
>>737115059Suck some more corporate cock why don't you. Sorry but the big swinging dick of the EU is coming to fuck you and your screams will be ignored.
>>737114854>OY VEY WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY OF THAT
>>737114795>they will be forced to keep onlineWhy do retards always think SKG is about this specifically? Is it genuine retardation, or just something they say in bad faith?
>>737087475>CaliforniaIs it just me, or is it considerably easier to lobby for a new law over there?
>>737114963You're going to have to learn to wipe your own ass.
>>737115054I didn't say anything about initial development. Development is done, its already an ASIC and running. Porting that to an emulator is not a cost any company could undertake. You just think ASICs should be illegal, its that simple.
>>737114865>You think an ASIC is impossible or something?I never said it's impossible. I am saying that if you can't give me a single example of an MMO using it then why did you bring it up as an example in regards to MMOs? Why would people suddenly start making MMOs that way?
>>737115163Like running your own private servers? K.
>>737115117Shut the fuck up nigger and read what SKG is about again.SKG is NOT asking companies to >release the source code>keep games running forever
>>737115010Oy Vey anon, that's antisemtic!
>>737115075Get that ferret outta yo bussy
>>737115110You're jewish thoughever
wtf is ASIC>An application-specific integrated circuit is an integrated circuit (IC) chip customized for a particular use, rather than intended for general-purpose use, such as a chip designed to run in a digital voice recorder or a high-efficiency video codec.WHO THE FUCK IS MAKING AN ENTIRE GAME SERVER WITH ONE OF THESE IN THE FIRST PLACE?That's more trouble than what it's worth lmao.
>>737115050Personally I don’t care about the possibility, simply because the free market existing means that the gap will almost instantly be filled even in the event of a complete collapse. It’s basic capitalism that a known niche will be exploited if the chance is presented.For all the hyper capitalist larping they do, anti SKG types really don’t seem economically literate.
>>737115194>We aren't asking for Y we're asking for X!>"But Y entails X">I SAID WE AREN'T ASKING FOR Xliterally arguing with a toddler
>>737115242>No you are the Jew if you don't let me fuck over my customers however I likeThat's nice Chaim.
>>737114650Funny thing, development builds of games most likely are fully offline or spoofing a connection. It would be a pain to work on a project that requires constant server access for all employees.
>>737115253Post here where SKG is either asking to release the soruce code or keep the servers runing forever.It's not my fault you don't understand what we're talking about.
>>737112820Make up your fuckin mind moron lmao. Inb4 LEL DAT WAS NOT ME
>>737115181No jew anon, you're going to have to accept that a business transaction is transaction in which the two parties in question trade something considered to be of equal value. >>737115194>OY GEVALT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO KILL GAMES, AND IF IT HAPPENS, WHO CARES?
>>737115175>Development is doneWe have already established that you can't give an example of any game, so you're not talking about an already existing game. Are you talking about a future where it would exist and SKG would get passed AND it would be retroactive(which it isnt) or what the fuck are you schizobabbling about here?
>>737115324Anon I told you multiple threads ago that hasn't been true in a decadeGames run on massive test environments that are, in fact, networks.
>>737115248The guy is literally just trying to be as obtuse as possible in some desperate attempt to achieve a "gotcha" moment. He's talking about something that so incredibly unlikely to ever happen.
>>737115358No what you are going to have to accept is that you are getting fucked with big EU regulation dick which even big dogs like Google fear.
>somebody told the shill that playing the Jew card would instantly get him support and now he’s assmad it didn’t work Bitch to your supervisor, don’t take it out on us.
>>737096408time traveler who saw a future of only gacha and GaaS with one-year lifespans, while indies were made illegal via bullshit clauses in energy conservation bills microsoft and other megacorps lobbied forthis was his only recourse
>>737114795>This shit will just straight up kill all online gamesBased
>>737115179>>737115368Why does someone using an ASIC for an MMO before matter? You can insert anything else that doesn't run under standard conditions for the same argument. A cable I made for clustering servers that communicates over non TCP/IP. In any scenario I give you (I could do dozens and dozens of valid configurations) you simply lose
>>737115334>We aren't asking for this we're asking for that>"But that entails this">I SAID WE AREN'T ASKING FOR THIS>"literally arguing with a toddler">SHOW ME WHERE WE ASK FOR THIS
>>737113220John Deere has been doing that to fuck over farmers
>>737115430Don't try to fuck a bear trap.
/v/ has truly become worse than twitter uh
>>737115514Host server button
>>737115391Only partially true in specific cases, in a specific way.
>>737088757one bridgehead at a time
>>737113567You need a way to run the game locally anyways during development so the tools already exist
>>737115539>He's breaking down nowSorry but the bigger fish is here. You had your time being the dick and now you are getting the dick.
>>737115514I'm still waiting on you showing where SKG asks for either of those points.If you can't do that, you lose the argument.No amount of greentexting and baiting will make you look smart.Show actual proofs of what you're talking about.
>>737115578That's a funny way of saying "oops I was completely wrong while acting extremely confident" but I accept your concession anon!
>>737115514Behold: ancient, cursed magic that AAA publishers have tried to seal away for the good of the people.
Plenty of old games have had their old servers restored by fans. Heck even a newish game like Battlefront 2 2017 has a whole launcher made by fans to run private servers with mods. If they haven't done so for your favorite game, then it wasn't that good to begin with *mic drop*
>>737114381>most recent version is Cataclysm>version 0.21>updated April 2018Brutal. One of the problems private servers had is that they were taking droprates from online aggregators but enemies that dropped quest items were killed a lot more than just people on the quest so the drop rate was fucked. Blizzard of course being retarded didn't keep this information either so they just copied what other people copied. So the original is just gone forever and the solution is forcing 100% of guessing.For another example; say drop rate is 1/2. First guy kills 1. Second guy has to kill 2. Now the 'true' droprate was actually 2/3. China actually has a law about providing the actual droprates players obtained but the west doesn't give a fuck about gambling, aimed at children or otherwise; or basically any other legal violations that happen online.There are better private WoW servers but because they are all for profit they don't share information with each other and they all have to reinvent the wheel. So instead of minor iteration for the newest version it's starting from scratch.
>>737115661Nice try
>>737115689HSSSS
>>737115689STOP THIS VILE ANTISEMITISM RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
>>737115689MW3 brought back dedicated servers after they took them out of MW2? huh...didn't know that. did it have a server browser for them too?
>Newsome: fuck dude, everyone hates me and thinks I'm a complete psychopath, whats an easy W to boost my numbers
>>737114531EULA are not contracts. Contracts are agreements between parties for mutual benefit. EULA are one sided demands dictated after purchase with no consideration for the ability of the other party to even agree or compensation for disagreeing.And good fucking luck with a EULA that you change again at will.
>>737115768IIRC Private servers for MoP, Cataclysm, WoD and Legion all exist. I don't recall which server hosters have them but they at least exist and should be runnable. Worst case you might have to do some tinkering, but WoW private servers are largely a solved problem & vanilla WoW is even partway reverse engineered so it can be modded into for example TurtleWoW or Epoch.
Question. If runescape for example shut down. The private server scene for runescape is pretty alive, and some of the servers might even be "different games" altogether rigtht? Or if not you could customize the private server and client source to go that way. My quest is, where does the line of "keeping the game alive" vs I actually just have unlimited rights to any of the IP in your game. Would I have full rights to Sea Shanty if I just replace the rest of runescape on top of it?
>>737113731Yeah, I pay 20 bucks a month from my own pocket to host a Ragnarok Online server. Could've hosted it for less but I wanted a better, more stable server.
>>737114540It shouldn't take more than 10 minutes of work to provide server code that you already made because your game was running a server.
>>737114725I've never heard of a small developer choosing to make online only garbage so they have to supply and run all the servers. This is purely giant corporation fuckery where killing their product is part of their marketing strategy for subsequent product.
>>737116056I don't imagine you'd be allowed to monetize such things
>>737116563If I accept that condition then I have unlimited license to all the IP used in runescape to make other games? (insert any given company)
>>737112868Concession accepted
>>737116049It's not a solved problem because it's still a moving target. Is Dragonflight garbage? Yes but without a private server to see for yourself you would have to pay a sub to find that out even if you bought the game.Also the people running these are the same anti-free speech tranny apologists as Blizz so what is the point.
>>737116056If the work is abandoned, yes you have full rights.
>>737117107I'm not sure that can be true though? The music tracks for example? If Need for Speed had rap music in an online game they shut down, then I only need to refactor their codebase to claim rights to those assets?
>>737095398We aren't free to own guns in this nation, that is a lie. A man went to prison in Florida because they used to ban open carry of sidearms. In my state if I apply for a recreational marijuana license, the last drug that would make you want to shoot anything up, you are denied the right to own guns because of how the drugs is classified federally.
This kills the shill.
Gamers... Win...SKG singlehandedly cut hundreds if not thousands of indian sub human shill from reincarnation via izzat logic.
>>737106582They will if they want to sell their games in the EU
>>737115514Lmao retard dalit.
>>737110542Most of the people developing games much prefer those games to be playable in perpetuity. It's publishers that kill games, not developers
The people defending the industry/piratesoftware position on this are contemptible wretches. If they're not shills or shitposters, there's genuinely some defect in their brain that prevents critical thinking/problem solving.
>>737087475>>737087475PLZ STOP KILLING GAMES!!!!(these laws actually mean corporations will create less games)
