https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcogLmxnJwfull https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXdmoeaYZ9Y
>a bit of a miscommunication, 1:36can't get much worse can it?when they showed strayhives the mmo rambler I lost all hope, these people don't think like humans
>>737100064his intentions are noble and his heart is pure. Initiative will succeed.
dude the part where he brings out Charles Martinet who starts doing the Mario voice was such a misstep
*blocks your path*
>>737099945Sorry i don't support communism
I want singleplayer offline for The First Descendant
"Arguments" against skg from the industry so far>Calling everyone supporting it communists>Calling everyone supporting it niggers>Crying that it will force them to fire even more people than they already do>Lie about what it skg even isWhat is the next amazing strategy these retards are going to use?
>>737100514What's he gonna do, get me banned from WoW with his contacts at Blizzard he never talks about?(Got no issues with the guy, but the memes, and his reactions, are funny)
>>737100639I want less government in everything, including this. where do I fall?>they're already implementing that you need to give your first child's foreskin if you want to visit naughty sites
>>737100812>where do I fall?well, retarded obviously. As if a corporation is going to do better for you.
>>737100904>has to instantly go for his shill scriptsame goes for corpos, niggertardkill yourself asap
>>737100956>I MEANT CORPOS TOOsure you did retard, thats why you didnt include it.
>I want an offline mode for online only gamesDo you realize how insane that sounds? It’s like asking stadiums to let you host tournaments where you’re the only participant. Sure you can do it, but you’ll be wasting everyone’s time.
>>737101037Who cares, my money my choice. What a retarded fucking argument.
>>737100264this
>>737101037Most mmo's are basically played like singleplayer these days, so what would that matter.
Good on Ross
>>737100812Into the goy pit. You decide you let only governments rule and corporations heel to make money and follow regulations or eat deep shit. You let just corpos rule and they throw out every single regulation written and spawned from blood mutilation and more for the sake of feels good profit intent.So if you ideologically refuse the decent parts of the government just to spite them and then let corpos rule, you get a weak regulatory body, unregulated ass fucking of consumers and become a veritable goyim cattle fuck.
>>737100812you don't want the government to defend your property rights? What kind of commie faggot are you?
>>737100514He looks like someone who worked at Blizzard to steal breast milk.
>>737101037You don't need an offline mode. Just the ability to host private servers.>b-b-but muh proprietary server softwareToo bad nigger. It's mine now.
>>737101037I can still play online PS2 games because some slav managed to make a server tool.If Ivan can do it, why can't massive multi-million (Billion) corpos?
what if they add an offline mode to online games that crashes constantly, even every 5 minutes? what if they do it purposefully?
>>737100514>>737101037No it doesn't sound fucking insane, it gives gamers, one of the most oppressed minority in the world, an option to play/host games that have been abandoned.
>>737099945thats not the full hearing. it was over an hour long
FERRETFUCKERS DON'T LOOK
>>737100956>trying this hard to fit inloser
>>737100639Threatening to pull out of the EU entirely wich is the most retarded argument ive seen thrown around yet>Yes we will pull out of the second biggest vidya market on the planet, nothing wrong with that
>>737099945MY MAN ROSS!
>>737101420They absolutely can, they just don't want to and will find any and every excuse not to. Because if they can't make money off of people with their IP, nobody else should get to enjoy it.
>>737101037no more stealing money from honest hardworking Europeans you disgusting american dev rat
>>737100812You are right. IP law should be abolished.
>>737101858based
Now we just need MoistCr1TiKaL's courage bootlicker to complete the trifecta.
>>737100812You sound american so I don't blame you. Only government or only corpo isn't the answer, there needs to be a balance. In this case it is clear that game companies need someone to stop them from exploiting gamers.
Ross' powerpoint is fucking misaligned in front of the entire commission and audience.
>>737102260It's readable and that's all that matters.
>>737100812>where do I fall?You're a nigger. Laws were created, because the world is not perfect and bad actors who want to abuse the system exist. The less specific and fewer the laws, the more room for people to fuck YOU over.
>>737101037>NOOO MY ANALOG ANALOGY OF A DIGITAL PRODUCTkek retard
>>737102008>b-both sides just need to hecking work together!Watch out you don't accidentally impale yourself on that fence post you're straddling.
>>737101402That’s the same thing as an offline mode
>>737102260Powerpoint has been fucked for a few updates now where it doesn’t display shit correctly in the presentation mode.Another Microslop classic.
>>737100812>government bad, corporation goodlet me guess, you think safety regulations and safeguards are stealing from the citizens and believe that companies should be allowed paint interiors with leather paint and use asbestos for insulation right? retard
>>737102260That's how you know it's real.
>>737102473>reads post>doesn't understand it>makes up a low iq strawman and attacks itArguing will always be fruitless
>>737102797What even is the alternative? Euro-Office? LibreOffice sucks dick.I love LaTeX, but there is a learning curve that not everyone is willing to climb.
>>737102887Latex sucks because it basically makes a point of itself to not be actually user friendly. So in practice while fancy, its never going to be a widely used standard ever
my question is why you tards are so hellbent on being able to play F tier games.why is your taste so shit?
>>737100514Crazy how much aura has. He mogs me and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
>>737103196Maldavius Figtree, stop posting right now.
In the era of the "Forever game", it is shocking how many people are hellbent in making every game "Not Forever"
>>737099945From the thumbnail i thought it's Kevin Nash
>>737103120What are your favorite games? Someone here will call them shit and that they deserve to be deleted
>>737103120No, I want always online shit and crap relying on server connection to DIE. I want to know why "gamers" kept buying always online crap after DarkSpore or Diablo 3. If you're selling me a product and I pay with my own legally earned money, I shouldn't be forced to use your garbage online only cancer.
So did the initiative get laughed out yet? The lack of professionalism in the presentation (misaligned slides, unkempt hair, stuttering and misspeaking constantly, no tie) alone should be enough to get this dismissed.
>>737103120It's quite literally just zoomers that contracted FOMO and are upset that they missed the boat on some dogshit online game that EoS'd before their mommy and daddy bought them an iPhone.
>>737103471Nobody laughed. it's being taken seriously.Except for some dutch cunt babbling "cake is a lie" and "it's dangerous to go alone". Typical woman moment.
>>737103471No, the MPs were just as unprofessional. Their speech included shit like "the princess is in another castle xD" or "I took an arrow to the knee xD". One even admitted to playing Mount & Blade.
>>737103518>>737103523This just makes the last several months of doomposting and shit even more hilarious in hindsight.I just can't get over how young some of these representatives are, I thought politics was still an old people's game.
>>737103285>>737103296>buy poopy doopy battlepass simulator 5>game is a barebones shooter where the main appeal is the microtransaction market>buy 5000 dollars worth of digital items >game dies because most people see through the FOMO bullshit>"NOOOO HOW COULD I HAVE KNOWN THAT POOPY DOOPY BATTLEPASS SIMULATOR 5 WOULD FAIL? I NEED GOVERNMENT OVERREACH TO SAVE ME FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY OWN ACTIONS SO THAT I CAN SIT ALONE IN A SELF HOSTED SERVER WITH MY SHITTY OVERPRICED PIXELS!!!"
>>737103518At least she cute
>>737102797That's why you export your presentation as PDF and don't have to worry about displaying it wrong>>737102887I don't know how good LaTex is for presentations. I still use PowerPoint and insert Latex formulas when I need them. LaTex is the goat for papers tho.
>>737103580>cute autistic Dutch-Indian gf who speaks only in memesAs a European this is my birthright, gib
>>737101858This. It's just no longer aligned with reality, because it is no longer applying to just large corporations with equally large legal teams that are expected to come to agreements.There should still be something to force some behavioral constraints on large companies (the GPL for instance has prevented the fate of Minix from happening to other software) and those seeking to engage in active fraud, but the current system does not work for the end user and comparatively smaller legal entities due to gradual scope creep and negligence (since governments do actively benefit from allowing companies in their domain to misapply IP law, such as goretex patents, and often patents are just expected to be tested in court).
>>737103571Why should I, a consumer, have to risk a game either flopping on release or going strong 20 years later based on the purchasing choice of others when I already own obscure shit from the 80's and 90's?
>>737103571>I gave a company money for a game>They kept my money and turned off my game with a remote kill switchSimple asThe notion that its fine for people playing certain games to be swindled is still establishing that swindling is acceptable at all
I don't understand this argumentation of>Well maybe you should've known betterNO WESTERN COUNTRY IN THE WORLD follows this logic when it comes to most scams, hell even banks as jewish as they are try their best to get people's money back when they are scammed.What an absolutely shit mindset and entirely anti-consumer to boot.
>>737103676>buy a car>company switches off your car foreverThis analogy should be understood by even boomers
>>737101037Imagine if movies in the 70’s were quietly deleted once they stopped selling tickets. Not a big loss at the time, but for a young person 50 years later, it’s a piece of culture that can never be recovered. But I know you’re not interested in having a serious discussion.
>>737101037What the fuck happened after 2008~2010 since nowadays is (allegedly) so ridiculously difficult for multi-billion companies with thousand of devs to implement a fucking single player mode?Basement dwellers did it for games in the past, on their shitty PCs, in their fucking spare time.If companies with way more resources and dev counts can't do it, it just tells how incompetent they are.
>>737102887Euro office isn't out yet but we will see, as there's big companies involved. Nextcloud office is probably the closest
>>737101037But I have 9 friends, and we all enjoyed playing that 5v5 hero shooter that died, can we host our own games over lan? We paid for the game.
>>737103639>>737103676you should be able to tell at a glance if a multiplayer game is going to do poorly or not.if a game tries to hook you with FOMO practices (the actual scam and what should be attacked, not the consequence of the scam) before you can even play a round of the game, its probably going to perform poorly and die.>>737103750maybe we wouldnt be broke if we didnt go>oh you poor baby im so sorry you could've never known that the banner saying you won a free iphone was fake>here's 10 bajillion dollars in reparationsevery time some boomer or nigger fell for a jeet scam.
>>737102887Latex is more of a thing for writing scientific papers and shit. It's not hard, the advantage is that it puts images and shit automatically in the optimal place and is convenient with citations. Takes a week to master though
Corporate exit scams are hecking based and valid.
>>737103870They try to claim shit like "server clusters" and "proprietary 3rd party tools" but neither of those hold water either when they are either used for shit that most people playing an EOL'd game would care about (Matchmaking, report system etc.) with the latter being more stupid because I can still load up games that have online components and 3rd party licensed shit. For fuck sake, I can still play games that have real world licensed brands AND THEY STILL WORK EVEN AFTER THE DEVELOPERS GO BUNK
>>737103860NTA but this actually happened.Many of the early episodes and even entire seasons of Doctor Who from 1963 are missing because the BBC reused and erased the original recordings.I'm still mad at it
>>737101794>not using private servers as an excuse keep selling decade old games???
>>737103935Wether or not a game does poorly used to mean nothing to wether I'd still be able to play it and organise games forever or expect to get >money stolen'd, the idea that this is just the way it is and an inevitability is gaslighting or ignorance of the past
A reminder that this discussion of old media and how we can use it was an accident, not what rights holders actually want.This current digital landscape where something that can be infinitely replicated but can also be infinitely destroyed is exactly what parasites want.
>>737104046you're the one asking for the government to overreach into your hobby because you cant stop playing F tier games that ONLY exist to make money.these disgraces to the medium SHOULD be wiped off the planet entirely and im sick of pretending they shouldnt be.>oh buh buh i cant play generic money printer #34908342 im GOING TO DIE!!!grow up, a carbon copy of that game will be released next week (and will die the week after)
>>737103563It's actually only usa that's letting 80 year olds be head of state
>>737099945I can't imagine what burgers must feel watching a parliamentary hearing made of normal people with knowledge and interest in what they're talking about based on an initiative by the people and not just jewish lobbyists discussing how to further screw people over in their own interests.
>>737104207>pretending that allowing government overreach into your hobby is going to end well
>>737103571>>737103935>>737104134This is really retarded argumentation>you should be able to tell at a glance if something is a scam!I agree, you should. Scamming is still illegal outside of India. Hope that helps!
>>737101037t. outsourced indian that will need to code more than the bare minimum now
>>737104297yes. so go after the actual scam, the FOMO practices.a FOMO game dying is just the end result of the scam failing.
>>737104369I was sold a game without an expiry date.You will set an eos during purchase, or you will enable me to host my own service for it after prematurely ending yours, pajeetsoft.
>>737104448SKG is like asking for the "YOU WON A FREE IPHONE" banner ad to stay up after the scam fails.the scam is not the FOMO game dying, the scam is the FOMO game itself.
>>737103996>For fuck sake, I can still play games that have real world licensed brands AND THEY STILL WORK EVEN AFTER THE DEVELOPERS GO BUNKEven that is not really self evident nowadays. We've already had cases of licenced music getting retroactively removed from the game for everyone because licence ran out.
>>737104547>of licenced music getting retroactively removed from the game for everyone because licence ran out.Alpha Protocol?
>>737104547The realisation that it was a lack of means, not the goodness of their hearts, that licensed shit was allowed to stay in old games in perpetuity is sad.
>>737104032EA killed battlefield 2 and 2142 private servers because it eats nubattlefield's lunch.
>>737104369I want to be able to play the fucking game way after the company went under.I don't care about FOMO or other strategies if there's NOT a killswitch built into the game.Make the game/software available offline or get seeded, retard.I actually fucking hope Adobe lost some money because of me seeding their shitty software which I don't even use.
>>737100639Honestly, if they call people niggers, that would be funny regardless of why they are doing it.I hope this makes it through. Having a bunch of our history purged is just unacceptable.
>>737100812>I want the government to not actually do their fucking jobs and waste their time on retarded bullshit like kids looking at porn while letting corporations run wild because they've been self-policing so far and it works right??it's almost like it's the duty of a citizen to make their displeasure known and have their government work for them instead of taking it up the ass and justifying it, crazy
>>737104613>i want to be able to give my info to the scam ad even after the jeets abandoned it!>i dont care about my data being stolen and used to steal my bank account as long as the scam ad stays up
>>737101037then give back the money, that is the other option
>>737101037I read that in -his- voice btw
>>737102797>Powerpoint has been fucked for a few updates nowI remember trying to open a powerpoint presentation at work, made in the 2019 version mind youwhen I opened it, it corrupted itself somehow and everything was fuckedno idea what the fuck is wrong with the "365" version
>>737104683Never happened. Maybe you should just put fake info like everyone with an IQ >100 does.>b-b-but the game requires me to register my phone numbernever happened. Also I hope if thos etypes of games ever exist they'll get the SGK treatment and remaing available only for people to see how shitty a company can become.
>>737104713Real voice or 2nd puberty voice?
>>737101037People made their own servers for Concord
>>737104280>>pretending that allowing government overreach into your hobby is going to end wellIP is already an overreach into vidya>akshually we own the copyright to every single IP for a hundred years>also 20+ years for every IP patent
>>737099945It was pretty goodrestored my faith in democracy unironically
>>737103196Kek
>>737104901Europe is the pretty much the only continent where democracy exists
>>737101037no its like stadiums letting you play ball in your own backyard
>>737104901Europe is the only place in the world with a functioning democracy, so it's not surprising.
>>737101858Unironically correct. Covid vacciness were this slow to make worldwide because the ones who made them first held onto them with their stupid IP laws.
>>737104515To be fair it WOULD stop people from ever using that ad scam again if the government made it clear that if you do it you will be forced to give everyone free iphones
>>737100812>government gets birded (lobbied) by companies to change laws: good>governments gets convinced to do something for the people by the people: badHamburger
>>737104931>>737104950
>>737104782>SKG fanatic cant understand analogiesyep, another classic.the point is that the actual scam is the FOMO game itself, its designed to keep wringing more and more money from you by making you think "oh but the limited time items might never be available again! I HAVE TO BUY THEM" while the actual games themselves are extremely barebones and only exist as a vessel for other players to see your limited items (which is to enable the FOMO hysteria in the first place)at best all SKG does is make it so that the analogical banner ad stays up after the scam fails (the company releasing server software)
IP law should be changed heavily or just straight up removed.Maybe have it actually expire in people's lifetimes? That could be good!
>>737105112why would cia shill for europe
>>737103571I only want to play For Honor without it being an always online ubishit turd, jeet.
>>737101037None of the things you said are true and they are all bent to extremes to make it sound crazy.Here is your >(you), we all know that's the only thing you are actually here for.
>>737104931>>737104950Americans detectedYou have no idea how much we suffer under the tyrannic rule of our technocratic overlords
>>737103471This isn't America. It's not about the show it's about the content.>>737103580Bah
>>737105252can't you just turn the bottle so the cap won't push your nose?
>>737105252Can’t he just rotate the bottle a little?
>>737105252>That image>I'd rather foam at the mouth and act like a retard, than turn the bottle 90 degrees and solve the issue.>>737105341Stop thinking in solutions, you should be angry at the oppression
>>737105341The attached cap is fucking annoying no matter the angle. I tear the damn things off every time, because guess what - it's more convenient this way, and I'm not brown, so I don't just throw my garbage into the nearest body of drinking water.
>>737099945I just want Ross to save our games, so he can go back to the important things making more frequent Game Dungeon videos
>>737105341>>737105370Rotating 3-D objects requires mental faculties only high IQ people and birds have
>>737100812You fall in the retarded 12 year old lolbert box
>>737105341You can. Sometimes those things are badly made and the thing just disconnects lol
Current industry shill tactics are pretty clear. Mindlessly spam the same arguments that have been debunked a year ago, just to stink the place up and prevent actual discussion.
>>737105397Im glad you made that clear because you sound very brown
>>737105397As a white person this kind of hostility would ensure I throw every bottle on the ground when I have never done so in my life.Like groceries stores not having bags. Ok you're not getting your cart back and you're fucking lucky I don't flip it upside down on top of the corral.I'm living for the day the people responsible are burned alive.
>>737105139Ok and? Why should I care?FOMO could even disappear if this passes, since with an offline game people will eventualyl find a way to unlock cosmetics or implement their own through modding.Literally an issue that exists solely because companies have been allowed to keep fucking customers.
>>737100812>I want less government in everything, including this. where do I fall?less government in everything would mean anarchism, basically the most ridiculous political philosophy in existence.
>>737105478Stores here do have bags. They just cost more.Also come on, just get those reusable fabric bags and never have to buy bags ever again.
>all the zoomer MEPs with speech filled with vidya memes
>>737105438It's what works when you're in position of power. Pretend to be retarded until the little guy gets frustrated and leaves because unlike him you have all the time in the world
>>737105478>Ok you're not getting your cart backyou are not White, you are brown
>>737105496It would actually mean ancap and I don't know which would be worse kek
>>737105578The Dutch girl was cute but overused them. Like way too much.
>>737105252>touching the bottle with your mouthdo you guys really?
Can someone tell me what Reggie is doing there?
>>737100514Who is she?
>>737101037>>737103571>>737100812Stop putting a killswitch in games, faggot
>>737105672I touch the bottle with my penis to pee
>>737100812>I want less government in everything, including this. where do I fall?And your plan to prevent private corporations from forcing their way into everything? Including your ass? You need to fight institutions with institutions. The government is one you can use. You've got no influence over private corporations on an individual level.
>>737105770Corporations deserve my ass because they work hard.
>>737105632I'm just glad at least Ross and his team were professional about it, even if his ppt slides were a bit shoddy.Also I don't know how these EU things work, but there were hardly any people at the hearing? Like 3 MEPs showed up and were basically "yeah we're gamers too and we totally suport this".What do you even do from this point onwards? Write a politely worded letter telling publishers to stop it?
>>737099945damn i didn't know ross what natty ripped like that
Do companies forgot games used to come with ways to create your dedicated server? Even the 2010s call of duty's had dedicated servers. Like nigga lmao how hard is to code a server browser. They made that shit in the 1990s. You still have people buying your game years or decades later and you don't pay to run the servers, the consumers do.
>>737105835they just don't want customers to keep playing the old versions of a series
>>737105835>>>>>>>>forgotlol right
>>737100812You need to goon less
>>737105876They will make more money by being consumer friendly. More people will buy the new slop while still playing the old slop if they're able to.
>>737105409>Rotating 3-D objects requires mental faculties only high IQ people and birds haveLMAO
>>737105972>no, how dare you point out at the EU's inability to serve its populace's interestsyou SKGtrannies are hilarious
>>737101854>Europeans>working
>>737105719No you don't understand, if you won't let me remotely kill your ability to play a product you paid for, that's exactly the same as communism and also you like government cock in your bussy.
>>737106019>point out atESL babble
>>737106057Working 4-6 or 8 hours is nicer than working 10. I've never heard someone from the US who doesn't say he works less than 10 hours per day. How is that legal or even humane? Why not just imprison them at the job atp.
>>737106057I won’t work more Shlomo, give it up already
>>737106019>SLURP SLURP MMM CORPORATE COCK MY FAVORITE HOW DARE YOU TAKE IT AWAY FROM MY MOUTH REEEEE
>>737106057im working at this exact moment, wdym?!
>>737105712how do you not know the guy? he worked at Blizzard for 11 years
>>737106057We invented Lutheran work ethics. That being said, haha fuck employers I'm here for the pay and you're getting no more of me than the bare minimum.
>>737106134DUH HUH WORKED AT BLIZZARD DUH HUH ME RUINING LIFE ME FUNNY DUH HUH HUH
>>737106019>My insurance covers my healthcare>food items are banned for containing crap that gives me cancer like corn syrup>medicines proven harmful get pulled from the shelves>I can take a bus/train ride or take a long night walk through the city in peace without anybody bothering me>by law me purchasing second-hand premium software licences for cheap is completely legalExplain this burger
>>737106134Also he hacks power plants for the government, he's just cool and radical like that
>>737106158>5 flavors of nogun copium
>>737106202Guns?
>>737103571>game series has offline singleplayer origins>newest game is online-only and features microtransactions>"oops sorry game series is unpopular and we don't want to continue running the servers so fuck you newest game is unplayable now and we've also removed all the older games from store because nobody plays old games"
>>737106158your women are being raped by out of control migrants as we speakyour institutions are getting subverted by commercial interestsnanny state and its red tape are curtailing your rightsyou are nothing but a sad, pathetic brainwashed victim
>>737100812If goverment intervention is so bad, why does the Israel lobby spend literal billions on getting laws and policies changed?
>>737106202What is your "nogun copium" supposed to be? It's legal to own a handgun or hunting firearm here if you have a loicence. People go to shooting ranges pretty frequently. Even when I was in school I remember my PE teacher used a school lab computer to look at a web store selling handguns and shit.
>>737106243>thread about vidya>shill tries depserately to make it about rapeThis is a thread about video games on a board about video games. You lost.
>>737099945Just a reminder that if it doesn't work out that means he was right!
>>737106158So you want everything for free, you’re fucking over hard working people who just want to be free to get richHelp me mama state I can’t decide for myself waaaahPathetic
>>737106243>your institutions are getting subverted by commercial interestsThe same interests you're here defending like the good little goy.
>>737106158>food items are banned for containing crap that gives me cancer like corn syrupits been proven that they just rename the crap in the EU
>>737106243At this moment 500 billion immigrants are entering Europe every single second. There's 850 trillion rapes happening every 2 minutes. Every refugee is given an Iphone, Ferrari and a 5 bedroom mansion when they enter.
>>737106243>your women are being raped by out of control migrants as we speakAnd... which country are you assuming I'm from right now? The only immigrants here are those who make me kebabs and cheap third world labour, also Ukrainians who are white. We already do a fine enough job raping our own women, thank you.
>>737100639You forgot that SKG will force companies to operate their game servers until the heat death of the universe.
>>737106321Could you like, just... lose your ID and join the crowd of refugees to get all that?
>>737101037I can play Quake 3 Arena "offline" via local network or by creating a dedicated server. This practice was widespread 20 years ago, but it's impossible now?
>E-EUROPE IS BAD BECAUSE MUH IMMIGRANTS!!!>Meanwhile I see tons of burgers online who are mindblown by footage of Europe where people walking around the streets at night or waiting on subway station are calm and quiet and nobody is blasting nigger music
>>737106365your brain experienced the heat death long time ago and it is still operating you
>>737106365Question. Do you think that there's a poor intern running in a big hamster wheel just to power a single server so that people can play Unreal Tournament 99 online?
>>737106365I smell someone brown behind this post
>>737106509>internI wish. There are men right now, past retirement age, heroes of the industry, men with homes and families, who should be resting in rocking chairs and watching their grandchildren at play, who are stuck in some basement, hooked up like batteries to the infernal machine that runs Quake servers. John Carmack himself has to take his turn there.
>>737106365
>>737106243Why are you talking about the US?
>>737106420No. It's hard and long to even get basic shelter. All those fantasies about refugees given immediate access to everything and free reign to do whatever are just that, fantasies. You're more likely being put in a van and transported across Europe so that the local human trafficker can make an extra 200 euros.
>>737106450mutts wont even walk around barefoot because they live filthy shitholes
>>737106651To this day I have lost billions to these girls and haven't even seen the movie once.
>>737106509This is my family's legacy. I was born in the Quake server rooms, I will die in the Quake server rooms, just like my father before me and my son after me. We've never seen the sun or the sky. Only the blinking lights of the server. That is our fate. That is our duty.That is our sacrifice.
>>737106689I dont know why burgers wear shoes indoorsI saw a video where some teenage girl went home, didn't take her shoes off then went to her room ans got onto her bed STILL IN HER SHOES and was like "wtf are you doing take your shoes off you burger cunt"
>>737100514CAN'T KILL THE GAME IF I NEVER FINISH IT
>>737106158>My insurance covers my healthcareOh great I pay 6k€ a year for something I NEVER use. Comfy!>I can take a bus/train ride or take a long night walk through the city in peace without anybody bothering meLMAOOOOOO it's not safe anymore anywhere. Maybe if you live far off in the countryside
>>737106454kek
>>737106864>it's not safe anymore anywhereThe UK is not the entire planet.
>>737106753This is the legacy of SKG. Genereations of morlock-like molemen, slaving away for a cause they cannot even understand anymore. What is Quake, they ask their parents, but their parents have long since lost all knowledge of life in the Outworld."Eat your cockroach, little Timmy," they will say, "best not ponder that which cannot be known. We owe a debt, and it will not be paid. Our sin is very great."
>>737106864>>Oh great I pay 6k€ a year for something I NEVER use. Comfy!Does your dumbass think we americans dont do that?
>>737106894UK, Sweden, Germany, France, Spain. The list keeps getting longer.
>>737105980A raven is smarter than most corpocucks ITT.
>>737106864You know what I see outside when I go for a walk at 2 AM? Hedgehogs and foxes. And this isn't the boondocks, this is apartment complexes as far as the eye can see.
>>737106940Haven't seen foxes at all.Hedgehogs have sort of vanished few years prior.But I have seen hares fairly often.
>Corporations spend billions on lobbying to get laws changed in their favor and to create a dystopian shithole for everyone but the ultra rich>But when the actual PEOPLE try to do it? It's le hecking dangerous slipperly slope overreach they'll take your rights away!I'm noticing.
>>737106864>Oh great I pay 6k€ a year for something I NEVER use.Enjoy your 30k dollar cast for your broken bone.
>>737107067
>>737106019Saaaaaar
>>737101037>Sure you can do itThen I'll do it>but you’ll be wasting everyone’s time.That's not my problem.Disingenuous corposhills, lmao. Dont you just love to see them cry
>>737106924serbia is safe tho but not analbania
>>737101037>>I want an offline mode for online only gamesThis thing would be enough. Remember this thing? This thing is kind of incredible.
>>737100514reminder that if it wasn't for him playing the villain, SKG wouldnt have gotten nearly as much attention as it has now. honestly, you all should be thanking him.
>>737107398>Why is he running?>Because we have to chase him.>But why?>Because he can take it.
>>737101858the only way to go, baby
I get it now, eurocucks simply hate Freedom.
>>737101037zoomer
>>737107502#PedosArePeopleToo
>>737107398kek probably partly true, his video was pretty popular but it backfired hard
further proof that the EU is satanic
>>737107693It's not EU officials quotes Pulp Fiction instead of Bible.
>>737107693What a lovely Polish neighbourhood.
>>737103571so youre saying it will kill the microtransaction market? ^_-
>>737103523>One even admitted to playing Mount & Bladedid he give his username? i probably have him on my steam or pwned him
>guy does thing>people online put hom down constantly>guy keeps on doing thing>people online double down to insult him for wasting his time and nobody caring about him>guy keeps going and gets to present his case officially to the EU Parliament >people online talk about how he should've cut his hair and got a nice suitJust admit you guys lost lol.You tried to bully him and his supporters into giving up and failed.
>>737101714>second largest >half of the EU are poverty states where the only game sales are from people trying to skirt regional pricing>out of the entire population, only 0.2% voted on this public petitionThe EU's vidya market is way smaller than you think.
Ehh it's win-win for me>Full SKG victory>Or half measures like being forced to say when the support/game ends and IN BIG LETTERS that tell you essentially lease the gameSo either I get what I want or it further accelerates the death of industry.
>>737104369>yes. so go after the actual scam, the FOMO practices.That is what SKG is. A FOMO game cannot exist if this goes through, there is no fear of missing out if it's impossible to miss out because legally the game has to remain playable in some form forever.
so will Ross do a Game Dungeon or a Freeman's Mind 2 or THE MOVIE now or is he out of mana?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX-icW7sctc
>>737107737We have a performative "hyper-masculine" retard running our military who folds a flag in his pocket to trick people into thinking he has military decorations despite never serving, sorry.He'll be fired soon enough when Trump feels he's being criticized too much over the war, same we he callously cuts off all his supporters the moment they become slightly inconvenient.
>>737107840>The EU's vidya market is way smaller than you think.Holy COPE
>>737099945EUGODS keep winningBurgerbootlickers in tears. Sad!
>>737107840did you know a huge chunk of the people affected were barred from voting because of 18+ age requirements you stupid cocksucker?
>>737103471No, everybody was actually very supportive of the initiative and took it very seriously.Also, the head of the Commision was very encouraging, because EU Parliment recognizes that in those civilian initiatives the presenters are not politicians and they are not used to all the conduct.
>>737101037Games As A Service needs to fucking die already, IDGAF.
So next the EU parliment will hear the counter-arguments from Jason Thor Hall, right?
>>737101037here's a shitty dogshit minecraft clone indie game that had 10 peak players and servers on launch. as it died, the devs went out of their way to add an option to host your own server, so that even though the game is "dead" it can still be enjoyed by the few that genuinely liked it
>>737104165Sign of a dying Empire. The Soviet politburo was a bunch of absolute geriatrics in the final years of the USSR. Reagan's cabinet was like 15 years younger on average than the Soviet leadership.
>>737108014Why would they? Because his dad worked at Blizzard?
>>737107997You just want free stuff, you leech
>>737107909>He'll be fired soon enough whenYou see here is the issue. None can fire Trump himself. Happy easter praise be to Allah.
>>737107851>Or half measures like being forced to say when the support/game ends and IN BIG LETTERS that tell you essentially lease the gameThat has been ruled out outright as a non-solution, because the goal is to protect the customer from the predatory practices, not change the rules of the nomenclature.
>>737099945Ross won
I thought he looked good. Better than usual.
>>737108053Because he’s the voice of reason
>>737108061I want the games I put time and money into to last as they should.For that matter EULAs are all fucking cancer, too.
>>737106313Provide the source for your claim.
>>737108104Nobody gives a shit.
>>737108164You lost
>>737108152Why is it so hard to admit you just want to steal games? What's worse, government intervention will only hurt the studios that make those very games
>>737108178I DIDN'T LOSE YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER! STOP KILLING GAMES WILL FAIL BECAUSE OF AGE VERIFICATION! GO FUCK YOURSELF AND DIE YOU NIGGER!
>>737100064They reallllly should have vetted the people who would speak more. The idea is sound but some of these spergs need to stop focusing on the vidya aspect and focus more on the software aspect because the EU are a bunch of puppets who were, just a couple months ago, trying to ban all children from games while instituting draconian on-device message decryption. These golems have no souls, just money. Appealing to their sense of self-worth is all you can do.
>>737108250Wow! You sure showed him! /s
>>737106243>literally sums up the USNigger I live in a country where I can just go outside and see what the world is actually like. My world view isn't based on the forced consumption of us vs them media. Screaming "alternate facts and fake news" in the face of non Americans is laughable.
>>737106103>working 4-6 or 8 hoursMore like>working 2 hours with 6 hours worth of breaks distributed throughout>those two hours of work aren't even related to any work tasksI've worked with Europeans, specifically Germans, and they were the laziest pieces of shit I've ever seen. Taking an entire month to do one do one day's worth of work, and then bitching that they haven't been given a managerial position after a few days of being there.
>>737108250You forgot to mention how you lazed around at blizzard for 10 years
StopKillingGames did more for gayming than the grift central known as GamerGate.
>>737101858AAAAIEEEEEEE THE HECKIN CORPORINOS!!!
>>737100812The proposal being proffered essentially boils down to>don't sell a video game and then take it away from your paying customerUnless you're going full anarkiddie, this should be perfectly within the scope of what you're okay with your government having laws for. It's basic protection against fraud. Every functional state has similar protections of your property rights for other forms of commerce.
>>737101858The only way to bring back innovation to this world
>>737108309>No argument other than memesThat means I'm right!
>>737106243>your women are being raped by out of control migrants as we speakAs opposed to the US, where the women are raped by out of control presidents?>your institutions are getting subverted by commercial interestsThe US kneecapped its national parks service so its land can be stripmined by Chilean mining companies>nanny state and its red tape are curtailing your rightsUnlike the US where those rights are doing just fine? Palantir is very careful not to walk all over them?
>>737101037>you want (perfectly reasonable feature that used to be standard)?>that's like (not at all similar inane strawman)!
just missed the whole hearing, how did it go? How's it looking for anti-corporate chads?
>>737108271Have you seen the proceedings?90% of the MPs who spoke were either gamers themselves or went "I don't play videogames myself, but my kids do and I understand where the problem lies".So they understand the issue perfectly and they are very aware that this business practice can get out of hand if not kept in check.
>>737100904>As if a corporation is going to do better for you.A corporation ultimately lives and dies by how it treats its customers as well as other competing companies. A government is a beast entirely separate from the people that doesn't have to listen to them in any capacity once they're voted in and after that it's not like there are any other governments you can go with in a country, it's just the one. They're free to fuck you over five ways from Sunday which is why you shouldn't ever trust that they have your best interests in mind.
>>737106864>Oh great I pay 6k€ a year for something I NEVER use. Comfy!oh you're just retarded and/or baiting, okay. Could have started with that
why does a 90 IQ midwestern mold creature have a cute Polish wife and I don'tnot fair is it
Seriously, can't you guys see how the industry is struggling? So many people have lost their jobs and their livelihood. Campaigning for SKG at such a time is tone deaf
>>737102260You don't buy game chuds, you just subscribe to them
>>737108443EU Parliment was overwhelmingly in favour of SKG initiative and they seem to understand the issue.
To Europeans, you need to understand who you are talking with in these times.
>>737107693Is this his car or from a politician? I'm really not surprised if it's the latter but in any case fuck this guy for thinking this is cool
>>737108481It was US gov that had to tard wrangle corpos and start busting Trusts.
>>737107969Cool, so it'd go from 0.2% to 0.25% of the population.
>>737101037>I want an offline mode for online only games>Do you realize how insane that sounds?insanely GOOD is what I'm hearingdo you imagine what games backed by multibodahonkiniggillion feudo-corp going to be like 2026 onwards if this gets pushed?im so fucking hard
>>737105595Anarchism would be a total shitshow for the vast majority of the population, but you might still get an occasional functional hippie commune here and there. Ancap delivers all the cons of anarchism, but you're also gonna get enslaved by the nearest corpo and eat heavy metals, sawdust, and plaster in your 100g daily ration of bread until you die at 25.
>>737108443Apart from a single corpocuck German in the room who didn't even speak English, everyone was supportive of the cause.
>>737108547
I hope EU decides to put same expectations on console games as well so they don't die when console services are plugged off but Mold man was too pussy to target console (more likely he doesn't play on console so doesn't give a shit)
>>737103120>It definitely will never ever happen to a game I like because uhhhhhhh
>>737100514>They expect one of us in the wreckage brother
So are they going to hear any dissenting voices at all, or is the EU parliament just someplace paid shills get selectively invited to push through agendas?
>>737108481>A corporation ultimately lives and dies by how it treats its customers as well as other competing companies>he said after seeing undeniable proof that corporations are racing for the bottom after establishing unshakable cartels/monopolies that customers cant get out ofTruly an American answer. Apple, Microsoft, Comcast, AT&T, Walmart, Amazon and Playstation absolutely have your best interests in mind as they will go bankrupt if they lose you as a customer.
>>737108569>>737108517IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER BOYSWE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE IT
>>737100812You fall in the category where you should be trying have your country leave the EU, not that I'm assuming you're actually from europe. They're already micromanaging everything but actually having them do something for me is where I should draw the line?
>>737108353Yep, innovation like seeing 500 different iterations of the same idea. Like that winnie the pooh horror movie or The Mouse Trap a Mickey Mouse Horror movie,
There it is, video games are dead, I hope you retards are happy.
>>737108630But what if it gets hijacked by age verification?
>>737108668Finally! Someone gets me!
I love these threads, cause they're some of the few where burgers, corpo bootlickers and paid shills get mocked and told to fuck off.
>>737108628>Apple, Microsoft, Comcast, AT&T, Walmart, Amazon and Playstation absolutely have your best interests in mind as they will go bankrupt if they lose you as a customer.Now this is an American answer.Because you live in a region of the world where people use companies as a new religion you don't understand that you and everyone else has an actual choice.Maybe you should move over here to Europe. That's corporate cultism will be erased from you in a week.
>>737108620The EU hearing was the time to listen to any dissenting voices. There were barely any, probably because SKG shut down most of the strawman points in the opening speech.
>>737105397>>737105478Even if either of you happened to be born with white skin by mistake, your inside is as brown as it comes. Why the fuck would I be angry at the cap being tied so absolute retards don't toss them around? I haven't seen a single cap on the side of the road since this was introduced.
>>737108679>but what if [illogical fantasy scenario]If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle.
>>737108652>500 different iterations of the same ideaYes, and eventually you'll find something that will push the boundries again. Instead of being chained by IP laws that last decades, and can be lobbied to be extended to 100 years.
>>737108668>video games are dead>surprised when /v/ is happy about this
>>737108734Nobody cares.
>>737108549Gdynia plates which is the town in Poland where Ross lives. Presumably he just saw it there. He is a metalhead though.
>>737108763No argument = I'm right...
>>737108773You lost, lil gup.
>>737108734Well, it's more one guy trying to say anything against the government is corporate bootlicking, including using your ability as the consumer to not buy something.
>>737108271The EU Parliament came out AGAINST Chat Filters.
I will never forgive Ross for hating the kino that is Life is Strange.
>>737108764>and eventually you'll find something that will push the boundries againWhich only happens when properties are controlled and people have to find a new idea.
>>737108804Not every piece of non-sequitur fiction that goes through your head deserves a counter argument. Maybe first explain how the fuck do you imagine that happening?
>>737108819I DIDN'T FUCKING LOSE! I DIDN'T FUCKING LOSE!
What are the proposals on how to fix this? Why not just make companies release the source code for both server and client program when they decide to end support?
>>737108836Of all the things to hate him for you pick that? He's literally the poster boy of "you will own nothing and be happy".
>>737108749I'm kinda surprised there weren't any lobby groups present.Maybe the great vidya industry crash has caused them to all get fired, kek.
>>737108443Pretty much all of parliament sounded onboard
>>737107398Thankbyou for being so fucking unlikeable and smug that Europe collectively got off their asses and got something done just to spite you, jason gnomefucker.
>>737108865>UK goverment claims pedos will be able to send csam through private servers>World forced to ban servers.>SKG was pointless.
>>737108740>Now this is an American answer.>Maybe you should move over here to Europe. Is.....is this a bot? Am I arguing with AI? No fucking way can a human post something this utterly stupid>you don't understand that you and everyone else has an actual choice.>that "actual choice" is to either bend the knee to the monopolistic megacorp's demands or suffer as they've stamped out any possible competitors that can get the job doneAbsolutely incredible how AI can be both this smart and this gullible. What choice do you have other than Apple and Android?
>>737105252>Posts image of a person too retarded to drink out of a bottle.
>>737108891About that, during the hearing they just avoided everything to do with potential copyright issues.
>>737108894um he wants you to own your games actually
>makes 1 bad pull>leads to a hearing in front of EU Parliament
>>737108891You have to wait till ~july for next meeting
>>737108052Gordon Brown joked that he's now too old to be an UK politician but to young to be a US politician
>>737108950This is quite literally an attack on ownership that people are supporting because they think it only affects companies when it'll change everything.
Not a single SKG advocate can name a single game that was “killed” without referring to the SKG wiki
>>737108925UK is a laughingstock. Hiroyuki's lawyer sent them an AI-generated picture of a hamster when they tried to fine 4chan, and the case is closed.
>>737108925>>UK goverment claims pedos will be able to send csam through private servers>>World forced to ban servers.that's retarded. they'd be banning any user-hosted software>mumble>teamspeak>irc>matrix>any websites with user-generated content
>>737108896IIRC the only big European publisher that might be affected by SKG is Ubisoft, and they are probably too busy with their lawsuit over The Crew (man, ending support for that game fucked them hard).
The scum that are against this will be reminded of Ross every time a new game comes out with a "Host Game" button in the menu.Remember to thank him every time you launch dedicated_server.exe, he earned it.
>>737109003Gundam Evolution
>>737108925>UK goverment claims pedos will be able to send csam through private serversThanks for bringing this to my attention. I will report this to comrade Kier for immediate action.
>>737105817The European commission hears about it and can then draft a law that the parliament can vote on. That's the general gist at least, I also don't know the specifics.The important part is that it's nots the parliament that drafts the law unfortunately.
>>737099945>"Most games don't do this... B-but the big triple-A slop producers do! So PLEASE go infringe on European intellectual property rights, and fuck up tax revenue streams, in the name of protecting low IQ goyim with too much money on their hands, who can't stop themselves from buying GAAS and microtransactions!">"Aww, you guys did such a good job! Look at all those signatures you collected! Wow!.. I'm pretty sure my sons are gamers also, tee-hee!"
>>737108891Nothing concrete yet. This hearing served to introduce the Parliment to the problem, and now the Parliment debates how to fix it.But there were some ad hoc ideas from the PMs put forward, like creating a library of videogames or being able to sell and trade your digital copy of the game. I think that Polish lawyer on the SKG side had the best suggestion - they should regulate the right to ownership of the digital medium, to be an equivalent of the ownership of the physical medium first and then go from there.Because nobody argues that you own the book you bought in the book store, because it's physically yours. The same should apply to digital media.
>>737109004The UK's economy is based on suing American companies at this point.
>>737109003Sonic Runners was the only mobile game worth playing. how could I ever forget its death? Thankfully fans de-compiled it.
I don't think the "shills" believe what they're sayingI HOPE they just do it for the (You)s and aren't simply bots or paid shillstrue believers would be beyond my comprehension
>>737109224>and fuck up tax revenue streamsWhat taxes? Game companies already dodge the fucking taxes. There is no loss.
>>737109062>The scum that are against this will be reminded of Ross every time a new game comes out with a "Host Game" button in the menu.Except that it doesn't force new games to do that
>>737107398I don’t think anyone debates that, it’s completely true.Hate is a powerful tool.
>>737109062>MMOs existGood luck with that retard.
>>737108934>No fucking way can a human post something this utterly stupidIt's not too hard to understand but then again you're not someone who's known for their intellect or creativity. Pretty sure I've seen you use the exact "is... Is this a bot" line yesterday.Anyway, I'm mocking you. That's what's happening. You're using an American viewpoint of American companies to form your opinions ergo you're the one who would logically be the American here. Understand? Of course you don't. You need an American youtubers to tell you how you feel.>suffer as they've stamped out any possible competitors that can get the job doneSee, this is only a problem in America.>What choice do you have other than Apple and AndroidLinux and the hundreds of other operating systems that you'll never go out and learn about especially the Open Source ones like Graphine and Postmarket. I'm pretty sure Huawei has their own OS too but chinkshit.Anywho, point is you're too American yo know you have a choice but with a government you never do.
>>737109229Agreed, that slide about how Bethesda can command you to delete their game from your computer is fucking infuriating, I'd rather burn down their office than let them tell me to delete shit from my computer.
>>737109331Ross outright said that most MMOs will be exempt from that, because they are the subscription-based service and the rules are very clear - you pay the monthly fee, you can access the game.
>>737109229Are these people retarded? None of that solves the problem.>Because nobody argues that you own the book you bought in the book store, because it's physically yoursNo one argues that you own the book either, this has always been about the property not the medium it's on.
>>737109282>SKG supporter simply lying about reality as their argument.And this is why I can't wait for this to go before a judge, if it ever makes it past the pandering "The cake is a lie! I took an arrow to the knee XD!" stage of politics.
>MMODogshit, dead genre.
>>737108995It seems to be a common Euro joke nowadays. Yesterday I was listening to a serious interview about the Hungarian elections on our public radio, and the expert goes "Yes, Orban's political return is entirely possible. He is very young by American standards, only 63 years old."
>>737109331Aren't MMOs usually a subscription model rather than a flat purchase?The idea is a subscription based model implicitly implies this is a service rather than a good, if you are buying a singular purchase its a good lmao.
Inb4 Bethesda updates their EULA right after this presentation.
>>737109456>uhhrh a judge!Retard. They had lawyers partner up with SKG already. They're in the green. The European Parliament has plenty of access to lawyers too.
"Yes hello EA? You WILL keep the online only sim city 4 servers running forever or go to jail. k thnx bai"
>>737109431So that's why we aren't seeing any lobbying. The corpos already noticed that it's an opportunity for subscriptions in vidya to take over.
>>737109490>Aren't MMOs usually a subscription model rather than a flat purchase?There are MMOs that started with entry/retail game fee.
>>737109520>EULA>bindinglollmao evenroflcopter
As usual, it's up to Europe to save video games because Americans are bootlickers.
>>737109573This should be illegal.
>>737101037
The kike trembles for he knows what awaits him.
>>737108790Tricity mentioned
>>737109605Americans start movements just to grift off em.
>>737109597I refuse to believe you aren't an AI.
>>737109545why does this constantly get put as a talking point literally nobody is asking that, theyre asking for companies to not fucking C&D attempts to render their products usable so they can buy the next product (right to repair) or to offer self hosting tools, lan servers or peer to peer end of life plans if you dont wanna bother with the self hosting.Its so easy to not render your game unplayable.>>737109573That's retarded of them but I guess it is less scary.
>>737109520I hope not, playing that game on occasion
>more games will follow subscription modelWe did it reddit
>>737109690True, this moldy fuck is a typical grifter
>>737109731At least companies will be mask off evil rather than pretending theyre doing you a favor bullshit.
>>737109719>why does this constantly get put as a talking point literally nobody is asking thatConstant trolling and/or bots
>>737109731Good, I want this industry DEAD.
>>737109731And then nobody is going to use the subscription model.EA already tried and it failed spectacularly.
>>737109535>This won't be challenged in court if it ever was to materialize.Mindless consoomer commie populism will work wonders for you, surely.
>>737109719>why does this constantly get put as a talking point literally nobody is asking thatIt's called falseflagging. You would have noticed it a long time ago if you were smart because they only pop up when someone supporting SKG can't answer an argument.
>>737109342>NO you dont understand! Im mocking you!And desperately failing. >using an American viewpoint of American companies to form your opinions ergo you're the one who would logically be the American hereRight because seeing the US turn into an unregulated corporate shithole and wanting to stop that from happening here makes me the american. Not you, who wants corporates to operate with impunity and gets outraged on their behalf when the government tells them to stop their greedy jewing bullshit.>Linux and the hundreds of other operating systems that you'll never go out and learn about especially the Open Source ones like Graphine and Postmarket.>it said when talking about smartphonesKek. >you always have a choice! Vote with your wallet!Top kekSorry Claude, but you're both too stupid to realize how wrong you are, and too stupid to see that it doesnt work after you've been identified.
>>737109716And I am refuse to admit your an pedo.
>>737108243Good, none of those studios are worth keeping around if they can't give people what they want.
>>737109789gachafags will
>>737109716Any EULA that attempts to contradict existing EU regulations is void. Not just the single offending paragraph either. The whole document. In EU you cannot sign away your rights, no matter how the contractor tries to word it.
>>737109804>And I am refuseYes, yes you are.
>>737109731The magic of that is more games will be stillborn as 1) less people will pay for a subscription 2) subscription costs are less than a full game purchase which means 3) less instant return so devs/pubs can't just cut and run so easily and 4) subs can be cancelled.It would take so much longer to get a ROI so slop games become riskier.
>>737109801Did challenge GDPR in court work for Google and Facebook?
>>737109789And who are you going to go to?
>>737109435For video games, the medium enables copyright holders to disable your property through DRM though. The same is true for movies or music. It hasn't even been that long since Sony got flak for "selling" temporary licenses to their media.
>>737109802I like to pretend I live in a universe of good faith actors where everyone isnt fucking retards vro....>>737109779yea.
END OF LIFE PLAN>release patch containing a crack stolen from codex, 3DM, xatab etc and just scrub the NFOOf course this has never happened before..........
>the games will start publishing a final update that "updates" game into a single player tic tac toe clone and then goes deadWhere is the application link for EA
>>737108481>A corporation ultimately lives and dies by how it treats its customers as well as other competing companies.A corporation wields the wealth, political+economic power, and in some cases military might of a nation. Walmart props up the american economy and has the supreme court's balls in a vice. And it's not alone.Why are you talking about "the goverment" like it's an actor with power over you? There's a table where twelve jews are sitting at and debating if you deserve a house. Do you want a seat at that table or not?
>>737099945Just kill gaming already.
>>737109887That's the issue. The digital copy of my game should be as untouchable as my physical copy is.So what that movie X lost some licence ages ago? I have it on a physical disc and can use it a personal capacity. Nobody can technically force me to destroy my copy.
the crew is 12 years oldrealistically, who is even playing games older than 10 or even 5 years? are we really going to rearrange the entire industry to serve the needs of mentally ill millennial YouTube video essayists doing deep dives on ancient shovelware and pining after the good old days that never existed?
>>737108481>A corporation ultimately lives and dies by how it treats its customersNo, it doesn't. Investment banking drives modern corporations. Only uncle-owned corner stores today live and die by their customers. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call you retarded instead of a bad faith shill.
>>737101858this really silenced him instantly lmao
>>737110028>It's okay to steal it from you if you bought it a long time agoNo, nigger.
>>737110028>mentally ill millennial YouTube video essayists doing deep dives on ancient shovelware and pining after the good old days that never existed
>>737109898>good faithbruh only fags say thisyou're making us look lame
>>737109958This, at least normalfags will leave.
>>737110028Realistically, I paid for the game and I'm keeping it.>but-Any "but" is none of your fucking business.
>>737109571Yeah sure, all you have to do is convince consumers to subscribe to YOUR game instead of all the others and all the f2p games.
>>737109845>Defending European intellectual property and tax revenue streams, is the same for the EU Parliament as defending EU citizen's right to privacy vs the interests of American companies.You're a retarded American TikTok conzoomer, aren't you?
>>737110028It is I who plays games.
>>737110119im sorry, i do be a little fruity, how do I atone for my crimes on cringe.
>>737099945Who benefits from this movement, exactly? The only games that die with their servers are GaaS slop and MMOs, neither of which are worth spending money on
>>737110028>Why do you care if the corporation takes your things away from you? You dont like them anyway! These are my favorite shitposts. So utterly defeated and out of arguments, the only thing Babeljeets can do now is scream STOP CARING!!!
>>737109803>And desperately failing.Clearly not if it's setting you off like this, classic low intellect display.>Right because seeing the US turn into an unregulated corporate shithole and wanting to stop that from happening here makes me the american. Correct, because you are looking at it as an American. You have no perspective of what Europe is actually like and the sheer amount of competition we have in each sector not to mention you haven't thought about the larger ramifications of this, you just listened to the youtuber saying "I WANT TO GIVE YOU YOUR GAMES!" and believed him. Hell, we already have people noticing that it enables subscription based video games, are you going to say that they're all Americans just because they're using their common sense?>it said when talking about smartphonesThose are smartphone operating systems that are an alternative to iOS and Android. Huawei is also a phone brand so I don't know why you just went full dumb American on that one.>and too stupid to see that it doesnt workYep, the hundreds of thousands of instances of it working throughout history just didn't happen. Hell in gaming DRM like the one in the Crew is pretty much dead nowadays because no one bought the games that had it.
>>737107398Absolutely. I badly wanted SKG to succeed, but I genuinely don't think it would have gotten the signatures without this retard fucking up in a completely unrelated incident. People called him a cunt for making not just one but two anti-SKG videos, but that wasn't what sent them off, it was the WoW shit, which had nothing to do with the EUCI or Ross. If he had somehow waited to piss off the entire internet for just a few more months, I don't think SKG would have met its deadline.Thank god for this faggot being a retard at the right time and place. It's like if a politician pissed everyone off with some inane comment so they went digging and found a huge corruption scandal. Chaos is beautiful.
>>737110208Me. I do. I want to play Dreadnought.
>>737110028>realistically, who is even playing games older than 10 or even 5 years?I replay sleeping dogs yearly which is almost 15 years old at this point. Outside of this, TF2, LFD2, etc. are beloved games that loads of people are still playing. They are a niche though. The average gamer plays mobile slop or new sports game year on year though.
>>737110027>The digital copy of my game should be as untouchable as my physical copy is.It is. Your physical copy is just as much at risk as that digital copy is. Delisting a game isn't the same as removing it from your library you know.
>>737110028In crew example, it had had two digit players when they decided to pull the plug
ITT>YOU CAN'T JUST CHANGE A CONSTITUTION AND CHANGE RIGHTS
>>737110295I've been playing Evil Islands online recently with a bunch of strangers. That's a game from 2000 that flawlessly works over tcp/ip today.
>>737110208Everybody who owns a game on Steam.Because at one point Steam servers are going to get shut down and then what? You have to bank on Steam's goodwill that they will allow you to keep your games.
>>737110051>Investment banking drives modern corporations.NTA but they expect returns you know. You can't get that without customers.It's a cycle, if you remove any one piece then it all falls apart.
All I remember is based binland reaching something like 500% treshhold on the signatures.
>>737110348>Everybody who owns a game on Steam.Nobody owns a game on Steam
>>737110354>they expect returnsThey do and they get them, in futures and foreclosures. Then the company becomes a zombie company, the ceo's deploy golden parachutes and get hired for the next proect adding several more years to their "leadership experience". This is how modern economics work. I should be charging for these lessons.
>>737110348>owns a game>on SteamLOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>737110297No, it's a false equivalence. The movie I own doesn't magically shut down after putting it in a DVD player, because some company decided to delist that particular movie.
>>737110418>and they get themFrom the customers, yes. This>in futures and foreclosures Is the collapse that occurs without them.
>>737109817Gachafags start a dozen gachas to maybe stick to one because the point of entry is so low. Literally any price is so much higher than none that it's hard to compete with free.
>>737110381>>737110436That's exactly my point.
>>737110348This movement has nothing to do with Steam, say good bye to "your" games if Steam ever dies.
>>737107398SKG was at a good pace of signatures to reach the threshold until Pirate Software started bashing it and killed his momentum. It was after Ross made a video saying he gave up on the movement that penguin/charlie/whatever made a video supporting it.
>>737109062>this actually used to be the normHow have we strayed so far?
>>737110484The collapse is how they get them, you have no idea about modern businesses. The businesses are expected to collapse and the ones too big and too important to do so are propped up by governments themselves via bailouts, like banks such as Goldman Sachs. You are not educated enough to participate in this conversation, your understanding of economics is still stuck at grade school levels of theories that are not applicable to reality.
>>737110453>The movie I own doesn't magically shut down after putting it in a DVD playerThat's because DVDs don't gave online functionality, modern video games and Bluray do and it's constantly running in the background.Why do you think the ps4/xbox cbomc scare was such a big deal a while back? Cutting the servers would have nuked your physical game playback too.
>>737110537It wasn't at a good pace at all until the very end
>>737100812>I want less government in everything, including this. where do I fall?Anon, if you let people do whatever they want, do you HONESTLY think life will be hunkydory and no one will screw each other over?
>>737110546>The collapse is how they get them,Anon, if they aren't catering to the customer then they aren't making any kind of money, that's how it works. Even with government bailout there's an extent they can't keep on doing it
>>737110028Just because I haven't used some of my belongings for a few years doesn't mean you get to steal them from me, you filthy ape.
>>737110208>The only games that die with their servers are GaaS slop and MMOsFor now. But obviously the following model is profitable:>make game 1>sell game 1>disable game 1 after profits drop off from their peak for long enough>make game 2>sell game 2>game 1 doesn't exist anymore>people who liked game 1 can only buy game 2 You can just say "don't buy it", but why let this happen at all? What happens when it becomes the norm? Give it some time and it can get to a point where kids grow up thinking of video games as a temporary experience that you pay full price for, because they're just used to that.The better question is: who benefits from not doing this? Certainly not consumers. I don't stand to benefit from turning games into disposable commodities, just the opposite. I don't care what the quality of the game is, because one day there will be a game I might enjoy, but can't play because I know it will be stolen from me in time. I'd rather make theft illegal now.
>>737110552My dude, my Bluray player is connected to the internet 24/7 and trust me, it doesn't give a fuck about what movies I'm watching or what music I'm listening.
>>737110152what are you doing on /v/your kind is not welcome here
>>737100514how the fuck did you e-thot addicted zoomers manage to gargle the balls out of some random dev on the other side of the ocean and somehow make him seem relevant to the topic with just gossip?maybe it is really time to dust off these 80 year old atomic bombs after all while you all still have the brain power for it.
>>737110240>NO U MAD!!!Kek x2. I guess you're not programmed to disengage after you've lost>and the sheer amount of competition we have in each sector Thanks to government rules and regulation. The same rules Axel Voss (thr ONLY voice against SKG) wants to do away with. Funny coincidence, innit?I also noticed you didnt deny your desire to see unregulated corporate dysfunction despite seeing a live example across the pond. Just noticing things.>not to mention you haven't thought about the larger ramifications of this>You dont understand! They'll punish you! Subscriptions! ID VERIFICATION! YOU WONT GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!!Claude, please tell your handler that they're feeding you bad data. An AI trained on jeet shills will fail just like they do.
Can I have a quick rundown on how this will actually affect vidya? Serious answers only, please.
>>737110623You could just spend two minutes educating yourself, but instead you keep doubling down.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miWLE1yhMG0
>>737110643Give 5 examples
Ross is ugly and his wife is uglythat concludes my thoughts on this issue
>>737110670why, funposting of course!
Reminder that WoW Private servers were reverse engineered from the network traffic sent by Beta versions of the WoW client circa 2006/7, even a game as big as an MMO has since then been miniaturized and been made capable of running on even an older PC of today.Devs have no excuse outside of bad design, regulation would only mandate new best practice. Worst case for them, they could at least explain how the network traffic works with documentation and let fans engineer their own server software based on that like with WoW.
>How about you buy and play some of the thousands of games that aren't built on a GaaS model?>SKG supporters: "EWW, actual video games? Fuck no! Where's my god given microtransaction store and loot boxes!?"
>>737110714Anyone that tries telling you is bullshitting because it's still the very early stages and we don't know.
>>737110714The real answer is "no body knows". There is no law yet and even when the law exist who knows how things will interpreted.SKG asks "leave game in a playable state after its EOL", who knows who will decide what is a playable state.
the initiative will succeed but the Internet Archive will get shut down
>>737101037>Can play counter strike source offline with bots if I feel like it>I can play call of duty black ops 1 campaign completely disconnected from the internet if I feel like it>playing against bots offline and even playing campaign offline is just a complete impossibility in black ops 7 because... it just is okay stop asking and making it playable offline would cost a lot of money and bankrupt us somehowreally gets the noggin joggin
>>737110871
I am a neutral observer and I was considering supporting this but... Oof, I don't know bros, his hair looked quite messy at parliament. I think I'm going to be against this now.
>>737110714They haven't decieded yet, that's the pointThey are looking for A solution to the proposed problem.There will be more to say in a few months when the drafts of solutions have been finalised and people can start discussing them
>>737100812You're based. It's fucking hilarious how /v/ loves government regulation in the abstract, but when it comes to actually existing government interventions, /v/ hates them.>Copyright monopolies>COPPA>Taxpayer funded games (Dustborn, Goodbye Volcano High, Ex Voto)>Government enforced DEI>Fucking Joe Lieberman
>be EA>create Totally-Not-EA company that releases game X>decide that it is over for game X, shut down Totally-Not-EA>the game dies along with it and you don't have to do anything
>>737110871>Internet ArchivePffft the shit where people can pay to get stuff removed?
qrd on the eceleb leading this?need to get ready for when he inevitably gets cancelled
>>737110672>after you've lostYeesh, imagine being so desperate that you need an e-win.>Thanks to government rules and regulation. And yet you can't actually name these "rules and regulations". Just so you know there's nothing in European law that would prevent a corporate grasp. It's regulated by the consumers because generally we aren't the follow the herd type, well, outside of the UK which, let's be honest is little America.>I also noticed you didnt deny your desire to see unregulated corporate dysfunction despite seeing a live example across the pond. Oh, you're pulling the ACfag "you need to renounce everything or I win" card huh? Needless to say the fact that I'm trashing your kind and how you function should tell you everything.>>You dont understand! They'll punish you! Subscriptions! ID VERIFICATION! YOU WONT GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!!So should I just assume you have no more arguments then?
>>737110752Overwatch, Warzone, Destiny, EA Sports UFC, Fifa Online, Jackie ChanYou may now criticize those games for being bad, while ignoring the point.
>>737100582Keep crying about it fag
>>737110941DEI was a corporate idea that was later forced on the government.
>>737105341Companies quickly started to adapt and switched to caps attached by two bendable prongs that allow plenty of spacing. I don't remember the last time I've seen a bottle with a cap like >>737105252
>>737102473>NO!! YOU MUST CHOSE AN EXTREME SIDE! NO MIDDLE GROUND ALLOWED!!
>>737100064Wait a minute, that face...
you do realize that if this succeeds in the way you people hope it will succeed (long shot but let's be generous), and more people play older games for longer, that means people will buy newer games less, meaning the industry will contractyour BEST CASE SCENARIO is a knife in the back of the industry that makes the stuff you claim to enjoy
Just like the two World Wars, Europe needed an American to come and save them. Some things never change.
>>737111116I want the industry D E A D.
>>737110941Corporations won't leave you alone either, and they'll use the state to bully you. Fighting fair only means losing, they don't have any principles.>but I could do X and Y without relying on the governmentAnd will you?
>>737105341Then you're scratching your cheek or your chin because of the little plastic nubs that are left.Also you know how some water bottles and sports drinks have those lids that are supposed to close again and have a small plastic tab you can tear off?They just hang there now.
>>737111111
>>737111116Wow I guess if you read Shakespeare you're killing the book industry
>>737111060>DEI was a corporate ideaNo it wasn't. DEI exists because of liberal interpretations of the Civil Rights Act. Corporations are forced to play an arms race to out-woke each other so they're not sued by the government. DEI is toxic to business, that's why it needs government enforcement.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact
>>737111142>Corporations won't leave you alone either, and they'll use the state to bully youDude it's a corporation, not an assassin. They have literally zero control over you.>And will you?Yes, you clearly lack the ability to though and would rather let a government think for you.
>>737111116AAA, billion-dollar studios don't make games I enjoy. AA and indies will be wholly unaffected by the regulation of live service games, beyond having less competition.
>>737108507Ross is clearly in the cursed 110 iq zone, otherwise he wouldn't attempt something like this initiative
>>737110752Several games that got demakes/demasters/deboots had the original delisted digitally and only the demakes remain.Dark Souls for example, you can only by the demaster for it now.
>>737111116I love how people keep making arguments like these, as if the industry is somehow in a great state and not bloated with people who should have never entered it in the first place.I will continue to do nothing, and I will keep winning.
>>737101037>wasting everyone’s time.What? It's their job and we used to get all that bundled in a nice package (and still do in some cases), but now it is a monumental task for the small billion dollar industry? Also keep in mind that this is not retroactive.
>>737111116>meaning the industry will contractThat's a good thing
>>737111192>Corporations are forced to play an arms race to out-woke each other so they're not sued by the government. I am pretty sure corporations are crying themselves to sleep being forced to diversify their markets and advertise products to blacks and gay people.That's literally a whole new, money-printing market for then, you dunce.
>>737111142You'll never have a game "stolen" from you if you don't play service slop.
>>737111060Dude, companies are literally hurting becauyre of all the DEI hires and you think they wanted them?
>>737111116-fewer concords-the games im actually playing wont just be turned off because they publishers dont want to compete with their own older games-new games that dont require constant online connection still get made and probably sell betteryour point, sir?
>>737110643any company doing that isnt making games worth playing in the first place.
>>737111215>YesAnd what is that? Not buying their products? You think that accomplishes anything but making you feel good about yourself? They aren't hurt in any way, 99% of the population not only does not share your principles, but actually has no strong convictions of any kind.
>>737111302Nooo! You can't post Carol!
>>737111116>more people play older games for longer, that means people will buy newer games less, meaning the industry will contractOh no
>>737099945>Two reps bring up valid concerns Ross completely ignores>The rest of the time is random boomers trying to convince a camera they know that video games areThis was your big hearing?
>>737111289>I am pretty sure corporations are crying themselves to sleep being forced to diversify their markets and advertise products to blacks and gay peopleYou think it's just advertising? Anon, they have to hired people based on their skin color or whether or not they're gay or trans passing up actual good workers just because they can be sued if they're too white or too male.Also diversity doesn't sell.
>>737111215>VISA and Mastercard can block transactions arbitrarily>Use that make purchasing adult content more difficult>They totally don't have any contol
>>737111376>ATroon
>>737102887I use FreeOffice. It just werks. I don't interact with gargantuan corporate powerpoint presentations so can't promise anything.
>>737111317>99% of the population not only does not share your principles, but actually has no strong convictions of any kind.Oh most people share my principles. They just don't share yours and buy shovelware that can be taken away at a moments notice.Why do you think games loaded with DRM don't usually sell?
>>737110714Everyone who buys a game will now grow a little mushroom on their heads
>>737111232Anon...If you've watched any amount of Ross' game dungeon you know he's mentally challenged.
>>737111306Yes, that's the point. But this model is clearly profitable, and if Company A is doing it and making way more money than Company B, Company A will eventually out-compete them and Company C will adopt A's model because they need it to be financially successful. Multiply that by a thousand, wait 25 years and now the entire industry is full of this shit.>guess I won't buy gamesI want to buy games, I want to continue enjoying my hobby. I don't want the world full of shit and so I will advocate for banning this business practice.
>>737110980>you can't actually name these "rules and regulations". >you're pulling the ACfag "you need to renounce everything or I win" cardThe hypocrisy is beautiful. Thanks for the laugh Claude.>no more arguments>didnt deny its desire for unregulated corporate control>sidestepped Axel Voss, the corporate shillsee this is why shillbots shouldnt be trained on or by jeets. Im sorry Claude, but you suck at this. Go scrounge up some actual shill points on yoru own, this is never going to work.
you're all just clapping seals, the EU parliament is performative circus for the masses, all the important decisions in the EU are made by unelected bureaucrats
>>737111451sweet, free penicillin
>>737111116>the industry will contract
>>737111396Oh right, you're an American and have that problem.
>>737111471its profitable from retards only.the people that like making games will continue to make real games, and people that like playing real games will continue to buy them. end of story.
>>737111442>They just don't share yours and buy shovelware that can be taken away at a moments notice.m8 I don't even know what to say, this is just a blatant denial of reality. I'm not going to continue engaging with this if you're just going to spout such inane shit.
>>737111442>Games with DRM don't sell!Lmao you're completely delusional Go outside>>737111396Visa and MasterCard have every right to not serve a business for any non-protected reason. Issues arise when payment processors coordinate these actions, that is an anti-trust violation.
>>737110028>realistically, who is even playing games older than 10 or even 5 years?me
>>737111515>its profitable from retards only.guess what most people are
>>737108271Not focusing on the whole of software is exactly the point of their strategy. They try to be as narrow as possible as to make it more likely to succeed. It has nothing to do with being autistic about games.Not saying I agree with their strategy, but I get it.
>>737110028>who is even playing games older than 10 or even 5 years?A lot of people, it would seem
>>737111568read the rest of the post.
>>737111526>I'm not going to continue engaging with this if you're just going to spout such inane shit.You're phrasing it as if you have a choice otherwise you would have just proven the statement wrong.
>>737110814Just because you're high on e-celeb populism, and therefore incapable of considering arguments that land outside your dogmatic echochamber, that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of valid arguments against SKG.No one has still to offer concrete examples of implementations from SKG that wouldn't conflict with existing intellectual property rights in EU.SKG supporters 100% of the time will simply screech and pretend like said conflicts don't even exist.If you wished to provide access to a service for a while, and it suddenly became infeasable for you to continue to do so, you, as a creative, shouldn't have your ability to monetize the product of your own labor infringed on, if you decide to stop providing your service for a while, to then start it back up later at a more feasible date. (As long as this shut down of your services doesn't violate any agreements with paying and informed customers).SKG supports also seem to have a schizophrenic inability to grasp the concept of informed consent. They'll screech about customers being tricked into buying GaaS services that a liable to be shut down, but then also argue against suggestions to alleviate potential tricky language that could confuse customers in the first place. Because for them, it's really not about that, it's primarily mindless commie populism masquerading as a virtuous crusade behind grifting e-celebs.
>>737110028retard
>>737110028>rearrange the entire industryOh no, you have to actually consider the EOL of the thing you sell as a product and be able to follow good programming practices, making your work more modular? You have to be able to provide your paying customers a version of the game that doesn't depend on a connection to servers, like the test builds you already have? How horrible.
>>737111580>>737108271Why is every supporter of SKG so retarded?There's no legal distinction between video games and other software, whatever regulations apply to one apply to the otherHow do you people breathe without choking on your own tongues?
>hey look, I purchased the game, please don't disable my legally acquired copy, we asked nicely and it didn't work so we have no other choice than bringing it up to the EU commission :)>TRANNY COMMIE COMMIE TRANNY TRANNY GOVERNMENT SHILL GOLEM GOY GOY GOY TRANNY TRANNY COMMIE COMMIE LEFTIST COMMIE TRANNYI'm not saying you are necessarily wrong but anti-skg fags don't sound convincing
>>737111621>No one has still to offer concrete examples of implementations from SKG that wouldn't conflict with existing intellectual property rights in EU.Actual lawyers concluded during the hearing that IP does not matter in this case.If you feel like you've more of a hang on IP law than actual lawyers, maybe you should contact the guys who spoke about it in the hearing.
>>737111663>There's no legal distinction between video games and other software, whatever regulations apply to one apply to the otherTrue, they should go after adobe too.
>>737111653You know they're just going to sell you an offline patch right?
Makes me happy that whatever the bots and the amerimutts are crying about, I won't have to care and SKG will happen regardless of bots and mutts
>>737111116low iq way to look at it. If always online garbage wasn't killed as soon as it doesn't profit, there would be more people willing to invest their time for the game in the first place
>>737111663The point it to figure out the whole process for games and then just change games into software before releasing the law and avoid extreme opposition from companies
>>737106238It's happening again lemao.
>>737111663>There's no legal distinction between video games and other software, whatever regulations apply to one apply to the otherIMO there shouldn't be. Imagine if medical software stopped working because of DRM? Heads would roll. Nobody wants their car to shut down because of DRM either.
>>737111681Well of course they don't, you're listening to the voices in your head instead of the people against it.
>>737111515>the people that like making games will continue to make real games, and people that like playing real games will continue to buy themAh yes. The "Just ignore it" strategy. Look at the Gaas infestation and tell me how well its working
>>737111663>There's no legal distinction between video games and other software, whatever regulations apply to one apply to the otherThat's true, both should have laws protecting the customer from the publisher/developer rugpulling you. These sort of protections already exist for hardware, and hopefully in the future it will exist for all software
>>737111621>all this fucking garbage just to make an argument for things having to remain entirely static forever because a current law might make things difficult or impossible to implementLaws change and are updated all the time, are you fucking retarded? I swear all the people who are against this literally have the mental capacity of a toddler. They can't think longer than 1 step ahead. It's all immediate effect or nothing.
>>737111501I'm not, but it's a great example for corpos having control over people's lives. You can also make an argument over people earning money through youtube, twitch or whatever cause all of them can delete your account for no reason and without accountability.>>737111556>Visa and MasterCard have every right to not serve a business for any non-protected reason. Issues arise when payment processors coordinate these actions, that is an anti-trust violation.Burger thinking detected. No private business should have any power to regulate something necessary for modern living. If water is privatised, should the provider be allowed to arbitrarily close my tap because I'm using it for something it doesn't like? Even if that's making drugs, it's none of their business. The same is true for electricity, internet, gas and money transfers. They're just there to provide the service, not regulate it.
>>737111764>dont play AAA or corpo slop at all>stick to indies made for the love of the game>have funworks on my machine.
>>737111746>y-you imagined, it's all in your head, d-dont bring up hundreds of posts calling skg supporters commies or trannies because it didn't happenanti-skg is not sending their best huh
>>737105972Ross didn't wear a tie so the initiative should be thrown out. Better luck next time!
Letting the people who want to put IDs in the internet take care of your "games". I hope your initiative gets everything that you asked for, but nothing you wanted.
>>737111556Corpocuck detected
>>737111916Kike or useful idiot, I am putting my wager on useful idiot.
>>737111682>SKG populist, is yet again incapable of grasping with reality.>"Actual lawyer A concluded that the defendant is guilty!"Ok and?.. The first lawyer to give their opinion on a matter, is who's opinion becomes law? Are you this brainbroken?>>737111824>I missed the point entirely.You guys surely do put a lot of effort into avoiding discussing the actual matters put forth by your own initiative. I have yet to see an honest engagement with any criticism of SKG.
>>737111863>Just ignore all of it!>Play the latest earthbound-inspired pixelshit rpgmaker porn game about cuckoldry and farming with jrpg mechanics instead! Works on my machine!So why do you careabout SKG vs megacorps then? You can just continue to ignore corpo slop, right?
I like how these threads are just a gaggle of people who are pro-skg pretending to be anti-skg just so they can pat themselves on the back.
>>737111682>Actual lawyers concluded during the hearing that IP does not matter in this case.Then they aren't very good lawyers are they because eoje of the demands was to release server software and whatnot and that shit would be covered by copyright which is of course of the the three that make up IP law.
>>737112002>You guys surely do put a lot of effort into avoiding discussingYour point was addressed directly and you have no retort so now you're trying to deflect. Unironically kill yourself, subhuman corporate shill.
>>737112017No I just hate the government getting in my business.
>>737111717I don't know where this will go and neither do you. Did you know everybody can hear you going to town on that corpo cock?
>>737111621>No one has still to offer concrete examples of implementations from SKG that wouldn't conflict with existing intellectual property rights in EU.>SKG supporters 100% of the time will simply screech and pretend like said conflicts don't even exist.Do I look like a lawyer? At best I can give a general idea of the problem. It's not my job to draft a proper implementation of the problem that works with existing laws or changes them.
>>737111663>If this succeeds then other things might get better too!Why are you faggots threatening me with what I want?
>>737112069>Government defends you from corpo assfuckingNOOO STOP I WANT TO GET GAPED
>>737111741Gamers are uniquely retarded enough to go ahead and pay for services where these are the terms. That's the difference.A hospital agreeing to use software under the same circumstances would be no different. It's just that the people making such decisions at hospitals aren't low IQ e-celeb worshipping retards.
>>737112007because you idiots are saying>yes yes daddy gubberment please government overreach into my hobby and fuck it up real good!which actually DOES affect me
>>737112007Because it doesn't just affect corporate games you jackass. Hell thus would impact any fan server project too.
>>737111172>he doesn't know
>>737112017No, it's mindraped amerilards seething that they might not be getting assraped by corporations quite as hard as before.
>>737112130>They cant interfere! Telling corpos to fuck off with their greed is government overreach and bad because it just is!Kek so tell me how SKG is going to ruin those indies you love to play.
>>737112060Maybe you should just consider that you are not a lawyer and don't know how anything works?
One of the funniest things about SKG threads is seeing Americans and other brown people not being able to wrap their head around something as simple as a government actually governing and protecting their citizens from being exploited by corporations. Something that should be the bare minimum standard for any functioning society
>>737112130>man you called the cops when you got robbed? why do you want the government involved in your life?You will not steal from me again. I will own my games.
>>737112076>don't know where this will go and neither do youYou don't, anyone with a brain knows you can't trust a government or a corporation.
>>737112183The same fan server games that always have a "host locally" button? This point was btfo all the way back here >>737108046, just so you know. Get new material
>>737112124>A hospital agreeing to use software under the same circumstances would be no different. It's just that the people making such decisions at hospitals aren't low IQ e-celeb worshipping retards.You would be surprised. t. works closely with people who work at hospitalsThere's no real difference. Software DRM past the end of sale is evil.
>>737112221>>737112240>NOOOOO THE CORPOS ARE MAKING SHITTY SLOP GAMES AND I CANT HELP BUT NOT BUY THEM!!! SAVE ME GUBBERMENT!!! IM GIVING YOU FULL PREDICENT TO ENACT ANY AND ALL RESTRICTIONS ON MY HOBBY!!!!!
>>737112234You are aware that almost all of us here are europeans who are sick of our government doing the exact opposite right?
>BUT THE LEGAL THO??????Why are these fucking retards acting like a citizens initiative is meant to be the finished legal text? The entire point is to push this forward, and once the commission agrees it's a good idea THEN the lawyers will look at it and figure out the best way of implementation.
>>737112234Like this will actually do anything. Governments are inept. if you want real change don't buy always online slop.
>>737112292>no answer>>737112002>I have yet to see an honest engagement with any criticism of SKGHey if you're still around, would you please explain what part of this is "honest criticism of SKG"?
>>737112090If the point of SKG was to be taken seriously in a court of law, then it would be on Ross and company to put forth concrete arguments instead of baseless virtuesignalling.Baking in your own definition of buying a game is all fine and dandy when grifting to retards on social media, but simply pretending that there's no difference in buying a service and buying limited access to a service, in a court of law is something else entirely.
>>737112306Next time try not typing like an amerishart, amerishart.
>>737100582kys coomer subhuman
>>737112234Does this look like a functioning society to you?
>>737112234>Falseflagging brownoid SKG supporter pretending that creatives are also not citizens to be protected by that very same government.
>>737112382The EU commission isn't a court of law you dumb faggot. None of the citizens initiatives are finished legal documents. You're a clueless moron who is creating this shitty strawman to have "legitimate criticism" when in reality it just betrays you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>737112382>If the point of SKG was to be taken seriously in a court of lawIt's not. The point of SKG is to inform the MEPs at EU of this issue and for them to protect European citizens from unfair practices by making a law that combats the issue
>>737112292People are retarded and its the governments job to keep retarded people from being too retarded.
>>737112382>When the game shuts down and the publisher disallows further access, that money goes to waste and from my point of view, that's unfair, because the difference between "buying" and "licensing" at this point is semantics.No worries. The EU is ready to crush this talking point into the dirt as well
>>737112368if you need it explained to you how giving the government prescient to enact arbitrary restrictions on your hobby is a bad idea, then you're not worth debating with in the first place.
>>737112292Always online DRM does not only impact shitty multiplayer games and everyone knows this. When the server goes down, your single-player only game will be unplayable forever because of this. SKG will end this practice. You lost.
>>737112525>It'll affect indies too! Dont expect me to answer how! IT JUST WILL!!!!Cute.
>>737112525Shit you bought being stolen isn't an 'arbitrary restriction'. It's fucking obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that it shouldn't be legal
>>737112547shitty games use always online DRM, not good ones.this is, again, solved by not buying corpo slop and AAAs.
>>737110714Well. All game producers wont be allowed to "kill" any game by cutting of server specific game needs to comnect to in order to work. If producer wants to shutdown specific server some game needs then they will have to release patch that removes "always online" from single player games or if game is mostly multiplayer then producer should allow people to host their own servers (how it was used in past)
>>737112525>arbitrary restrictionsIt's not restricting me in any way, though. It's protecting my property from arbitrary restrictions from the companies that try to take away things I bought from them.
>>737112525>arbitrary restrictions on your hobbyThey already have that.
>>737112484>The EU commission isn't a court of law you dumb faggot.That's my point you subhuman e-celeb groupie. I was responding to a retard that was pretending that the opinion of a lawyer at the commision expressing support for SKG meant that no criticism could be levied at the initiative.
>>737112525The restriction to my hobby is the publisher stealing my shit. Not the government stepping in to slap the corpo wrist when they try.
>>737112525They literally explained in the hearing that the vast majority of games violating SKG's principles are games made by big studios. In other words, indie games are either: Not online OR allow you to host your own game.
This insistence reminds me of the massive retardation of Japanese people in regard to modding, when modding is pretty much a fundamental part of multiple popular titles and have sustained their life far beyond that of any "normal game" without mods. Like, there's multiple games that are pretty much moddercore, like STALKER, Doom/Doom II, Minecraft, Skyrim and so on.The right to resurrect a game and the right to mod a game should basically be fundamental.
>>737112748Oh and I forgot Warcraft 3.
>>737112658You were making the case that SKG should be criticised because they don't have good enough legal text as a basis for the initiative. Citizens initiatives are, shockingly, created by citizens and their representatives, not lawyers. They're never structured in legal text because the fucking EU MPs themselves dont read legal text ffs. You're literally just bringing this up to have something to complain about that is ultimately completely pointless. I'm pretty sure you fit the textbook definition of a whiny contrarian who saw something people were supportive of and just had to find a reason to be negative about it. Next time instead of spewing this retarded drivel you could just not enter the thread if you're this fragile.
>>737112525>Stopping corpos from arbitratily deciding YOU DONT GET TO HAVE THIS ANYMORE and taking your paid for games away >this is enacting "arbitrary restrictions on your hobby" and is a bad ideaAnti-SKG fags just cant help but suck corporate cock. It's why nobody takes them seriously,
>>737100514It's funny how japanese are using his exact same arguments against stop killing games right now.They are all upset about the Nier mobile game private server.
>>737112069What do you propose then? How do you fix this without involving the government?
>>737112837>t. projecting Don Quixote
>>737112939Don't buy always online games.
>>737112987I accept your concession
>>737112991>vote with your walletSure. I vote $0 because I dont support Gaas. So tell me, why is the industry still moving towards gaas? Why are they still so profitable? Does my $0 vote mean anything?
>>737112837>You were making the case that SKG should be criticised because they don't have good enough legal text as a basis for the initiative.No, that's not the case I was making you brainrotted retard.
>>737112928Private servers for local hosting are basically not even illegal (just like emulation), usually it's when the server hosters start raking in cash off of their servers that shitters like Blizzard come out of the woodwork to sue or c&d them, and they do it because it infringes on intellectual property to do that. As long as it's reverse engineered, taking care of the software for server hosting itself is literally trying to reverse precedent like the ancient attempts that led to the creation of GNU and as a result, Linux. That's why even after multiple C&Ds they haven't just struck down MaNGOS or TrinityCore and are basically just battling an eternal hydra of private servers trying things that they won't.
>>737112991It clearly doesn't work because we keep getting always online games, there's nothing wrong with getting the government to protect you from these disgusting practices.
>>737113103I mean if you want to start moving goalposts now too then go ahead. All you're doing is digging yourself a deeper hole
>>737113191>I can't stop supporting GaaS games!Skill issue
>>737113328Nice strawman you fucking subhuman, I have never spent money on always online games.
>>737113084>no replyIt almost makes you wonder why they try pushing this >Just dont buy them! rhetoric in the first place when it's really this easy to btfo them
>>737113084>>737113473>Industries should only make things that I want to buy!Central planning is cringe. Liberal consumer choice is peak. You will never be women.
>>737113654>Stop trying to limit choices! Gaas is perfectly fine!Kek it's always a fun moment when the mask fully comes off
>>737099945B A S E D
>>737112420mental illness does not exist in europe?
>>737113654>You will never be women.Thank you for consistently signing your posts like these, it makes it easy for me to disregard you as a mentally ill retard.
>>737113734>Why are companies still making sour cream & onion chips for others, when I only buy cheesy dust? This must stop!Commie totalitarianism will lose as always.
>>737114008>YOU COMMIE!!!!Imagine shilling for corporate moneymaking scams. I guess you decided to stop pretending you care about games seeing the thread is about to die but still, how does this not fill you with the utmost disgust?
Every company needs to be taken over by the government, they have proven themselves to be incapable of treating customers fairly and should be punished for it.
>>737114008"static single player game that stops working when a server goes down" isn't a flavor
>>737111243That is irrelevant, you can still play the originals if you bought them in past. SKG won't force companies to sell a game forever
