His problem is that gamers are mentally retarded. Saying "We will make TES:6 eventually" years before development begun is not the same as what is considered a proper announcement. Should be common sense, but these are the same subhumans who buy incomplete early access %$70 Skinner boxes like Diablo 4.

>announces game to get investors rating boost
>cries when announcing a game means he actually has to do something
what a little spaz

it's really weird because before 2018, Bethesda was all about no announcing anything and then a full court press 6 months before release.

Didn't they do that with Skyrim and Fallout 4. Did it not do well for them?

>>737133847
bro you don't understand the investors need something to happen NOW. Number needs to go up RIGHT THIS SECOND not in a week or a month or a year or 5. We need more MONEY NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

Knowing Todd he probably ignored like 50 senior devs advising against announcing TES6.

>>737133474
Yesmen who surround him.

>>737133474
In the timeline where he didn't waste 8 years working on Saarfield, TESVI would have been out in 2022 and we'd have had Fallout 5 drop along with the second season of the Amazon slop show.

every well known creative director in gaming is a hack

tes 6 will have those pronoun body type things so I don't really care Todd

>>737133474
It just works.

>>737133474
What are they even working on over there? ESO and 76 sloptent? Starfield DLC no one asked for? Do they not have any actual games in the pipeline?

>>737133945
bold of you to assume they even knew about the announcement and Todd having any say in it

>>737133752
Fuck off bethesdrone. The manlet should have kept his lying mouth shut for once

>>737134204
BGS doesn't do ESO. That's Zenimax

It doesnt matter how much time they take, Skyrim will keep selling just like the Oblivion Demake. And no matter what, if the ES6 releases, people will not say shit about it taking too long and will cry and piss and cum as they screech in joy to have a new open world map to do the things they were doing in Skyrim.

>>737134204
theyve been working on Starfield 2.0 and just moved on to TES6

I've already modded skyrim into my perfect game. Just release it already so people can fix it and backport shit

Managing such a large company must be difficult.

>>737133474
>What is his problem?
I bet they have done absolutely no useful work on the game since the announcement all those years ago.

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>in the 2000's you could make an entire trilogy of games with 10-20 people and it would have more content, fun gameplay and an engaging story or worldbuilding
>2020's you need a 500 million dollar budget a team of 100-500 people (most of them jeets) and over 6 years to make a game that plays worse and looks worse than one from the 2000's
Does this not seem wrong to anyone? I mean like what the actual fuck happened to this industry in that all the talent and competence died overnight?

>>737133752
people who were born when Skyrim came out are in 10th grade now
they will become adults before any chance for TES6 to be released

You didn't buy his game

>>737133752
I would think that the average layman would consider that creating and sharing a trailer for a product comes with the implication for it being released in at least the foreseeable future.

>>737133847
76 and starfield has shellshocked them

>>737133474
He's the male Kathleen Kennedy. He has an addiction to standing on a stage and announcing things to uproarious applause, regardless of how feasible or likely they are.

>>737135610
Corporate whoring took over. When video games started making more money, it inflated budgets. Combining that with the higher fidelity graphics and how video games garnered a larger audience over the years, it was only a matter of time before game development reached this shitty state.

Big companies like Bethesda have to go through 8 million different types of checks before they can release a game. While niche games with a smaller fanbase still obviously exist, big AAA companies can't just release something with a very specific vision that's straightforward and may not be for everyone. They MUST develop a game that caters to everyone, spend years texturing rocks for no reason, let long term game developers leave the studio so there isn't any talent left, and simultaneously make sure that not a single human being in existence can be offended.

Basically, teams were smaller back then, so they could work together and get that shit done. Big companies have thousands of employees with too many ideas working on the same game so it goes through 10 years of development to eventually release as an unfocused, buggy, unsatisfying waste of time.

>>737133474
you did not buy enough copies of Skyrim and Fallout

>>737133752
Why are Bethesda shills like this?

>>737135610
Corporate suits meddling and the demand of delivering modern graphics.

>>737133474
They announced it purely because Microsoft was buying Zenimax and they wanted to drive up the selling price.

>>737137469
The announcement happened in 2018, MS buying Zenimax was at least 2yrs away

>>737135610
>to this industry
lmao accountants in power have been the bane of every industry since the beginning of urbanization. There's not a single sector that hasn't suffered from it in the history of human endeavor.

>>737133474
He thought he was a god...then Fallout 76 happened.

>>737137646
maybe it was just in early talks. Its interesting how they announced starfield and tes6 at the same time and then nothing about both

>>737135610
>I mean like what the actual fuck happened to this industry
it became big enough to attract finance sharks who don't give the slightest fuck about the product and only want to manipulate stock prices to make money in the short-medium period with no regard for the company's long term health or brand value.
The result is massively overblown productions for the sake of trying to equate the heaviest hits in the industry, and why? Because if you make prospective stockholders believe you're going to release the next grand theft skyrim or call of zelda, stock prices will soar.
But they'll collapse when it comes out and it's a piece of shit you say? Nobody cares. Everyone in the know already shorted and everyone else (meaning the customers and the retards left holding the bag) was always just meant for victimization.

>>737133474
Skyrim is a to complicated RPG for modern Bethesda to make

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when skyrim came out I was only 18, still in HS
this year im turning 34, im married and will have kids soon
what the FUCK bethesda

>>737133752
You don't need a fucking reveal trailer to say what could have just been a two sentence Twitter post. Presenting your announcement that way sets the wrong expectations.

>>737133474
Bethesda has no ability to make a new TES game

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>>737138550
congrats for your kid anon

>>737135848
would depend on your definition of a trailer
I viewed it as an announcement, not an actual trailer, because it was literally just a little shot of mountains with the name on it.
Also average layman is misleading. I'm an average gamer and I understand full well that a game is made across 10 years sometimes, especially a good large RPG. The "Average layman" in your scenario is more like a retarded shit for brains nigger retard.

>>737138550
Yeah its fucking insane I went from being a child playing Skyrim to being old enough to have a child to play Skyrim before TES6 comes out
At this pace theyll probably be in middle school

>>737138550
>The ps3 is 20 this year
>There is less time between snes-ps3 (1990-2006 so 16 years) than between the ps3 and now
>the ps4 is old as the ps2 was when the ps4 released (2000-2013 2013-2026)
>There is more time between the atari 2600 and the first xbox, than between the first xbox and now (1977-2001 2001-2026)

>>737139208
>There is more time between the atari 2600 and the first xbox, than between the first xbox and now (1977-2001 2001-2026)
Less time* the first xbox is older for us than the atari 2600 when the first xbox was released

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>Now announcing Elder Scrolls 6: ___Skyrim___

>>737133474
>>737133752
People would be asking about tes6 with or without an announcement

>>737133474
He's getting old and starting to realize that his dream game, his magnum opus, is just not happening.

>>737133474
wait... holy shit... THEYRE MAKING ANOTHER ONE???

>>737138229
I might be misremembering, but Todd said he wanted to assure fans that they weren't abandoning their single-players. Starfield and TES6 were announced at the same time F76 got it's E3 presentation.

>>737133474
He Duke Nukem Forever'd himself and he finally realized it.

>>737140647
No its been de-announced you didnt see or read anything.

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Did everyone forget that the only reason Bethesda announced Elder Scrolls 6 so early was that the only new games they were showing at the time were Fallout 76 and Elder Scrolls Blades and they didn't want a similar shit show that blizzard got for announcing Diablo Immortal without confirming to the fans that there still making a Diablo 4 so it was Bethesda way of saying we're not abandoning our traditional games to chase the live service dragon.

>>737133474
Someone left the outline for TES6 on the top shelf and he can't reach it.

>>737133474
>What is his problem?
At first it was Zenimax. Now it's Zenimax + Microsoft.

>>737133474
can't wait for most of the cities to be destroyed and you have to build your own settlement over them.

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>>737133847
Because starfield was leaked and bethesdafans were livid the next game after fo0/76 wasnt going to be an elder scrolls. Announcing early was their way of trying to buy good will with their fanbase.

They showed a fake trailer because they saw Blizzard getting destroyed with Diablo Immortal while teasing on a new proper Diablo game.

>>737133474
old age is befuddling his brain and his good looks. he's no longer acting with confidence.

>>737134024
I'm glad we didn't, they would have gone full woke and had a female only protagonist, or validated new vegas (non-canon)

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>>737139461
I would buy it.

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lol lmao

I really do think Bethesda are has beens, tbqh. similarly to Bioware and Obsidian.

>>737138550
Sex havers get OUT!

Todd has fallen into the same hole most highly regarded ideas/directors guys do where they get too powerful and not enough people are willing to try and tard wrangle and tell him an idea sucks.

By the time TES6 actually comes out it'll bomb hard because Bethesda RPGs are literally unc-coded
Zoomers didn't play Skyrim and never grew up with Elder Scrolls like millennial uncs did
It will also get mogged by Witcher 4, KCD3, E33 2, some new Fromslop RPG and some other new IP

You can see this with the current state of Skyrim modding as well; modding went from fixing Bethesda's shit, adding waifus and waifu replacers to perfecting custom sex animations leading to changing Skyrim's combat into parryslop and/or actionslop to the point that they're not really playing Skyrim anymore but instead are playing an entirely new game with Skyrim tacked onto it

Daily reminder to everyone that Skyrim's development only took 3 years since they only started working on it after Fallout 3 in 2008, the game has been re-released twice and is still active 15 years later

>>737133756
he makes it sound like the announcement was like a casual thing he dropped in an interview or something but it was a whole hyped planned logo teaser at a presentation kek
like what is possibly his excuse if it wasn't just to dupe investors?

>>737133752
>His problem is that gamers are mentally retarded. Saying "We will make TES:6 eventually" years before development begun is not the same as what is considered a proper announcement.
>'No you see, it doesn't count because I said so. Please disregard the announcment being used to boost stock prices so we can appeal to shareholders. Oy vey STOP NOTICING GOYIM.

Lmao, shut the fuck up kike.

>>737147421
i guess but zoomers grew up on BOTW its not really a stretch that they'd enjoy a next gen TES
I know more zoomers who talk about fallout though than TES its true
and given the timeline of this game's release, we may more be talking about gen alpha and I have no fucking clue what those freaks are playing or will want to play

He'd better release it soon before he finishes morphing into Conan Obrien.

>>737147393
which is ironic considering the only reason New Vegas was good is because Todd wrangled them. who will wrangle Todd?

>>737147421
>>737147621
the issue is Bethesda sees Skyrim as a success, because it was. Its systems were shallow and somewhat outdated even for the time, and yet it is essentially the highlight of their companies existence. People think TES 6 and they imagine a game where they greatly improve upon Skyrim but why would they see it that way when Skyrim was called one of the greatest game of all time by retards? Maybe they've learned their lesson now with Starfield but TES6 is going to be shockingly dated and bland mark my words
It will be different from Skyrim and I'm sure they're paying attention to their peers some (BG3 in particular) but this company has really no reason to make a good game next.

>>737147776
When TES6 bombs, Bethesda will get cratered like Bioware

They got spooked at Starfield bombing, this one won't be any different

>>737147776
It feels like few devs bother scoping out their competition anymore to try refine or do their own take on the ideas, like everybody is totally reinventing the same wheels.

>>737147906
I really don't get Starfield
Its easy to think it was out of arrogance but I honestly wonder if it was just severe tech limitations and being too deep in to start over
According to Todd, the main reason TES6 is gonna take awhile is because they're making a new engine finally
There's a small chance that TES6 is actually interesting because they spent the time to lay a new foundation instead of being stuck in creation engine hell
Issue is there's no reason to trust them even a little
I remember Todd doing starfield interviews talking about how now that they were owned by Microsoft they had the financial freedoms to go back to their roots and make a more hardcore RPG
wtf was he talking about? I can't even squint and see that given what Starfield ended up being. Dudes a demon which sucks because hes ridiculously likeable if you watch interviews and know nothing about him.

>>737135610
AAA has too many cooks in the kitchen, too much publisher oversight, is over-organized to the point of being non-functioning. They are filled with people who "love the brand" but don't really have an intimate relationship with the games they are making.
Small teams have passion, communication, vision and enough chaos to oil the cogs.

>>737146539
smug idiots making food in their sink is my least favourite genre of hipster.

>>737148481
a lot of cooking content feels extremely smug in general it annoys the fuck out of me
I like the idea of cooking but the way people talk about it and show it is so fucking irritating
some retard will make a stew and the way he describes dumping the ingredients in is as if he did some skillful task or something its actually so aids
the aesthetic of a lot of cooking videos doesn't help where it'll be extremely high effort looking content for the most mundane tasks imaginable
it just all seems so oddly ego driven and its not like these are world famous chefs or anything

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>>737133752
>gamers are retarded
:^) Sure must suck being financially tied to a bunch of retards. Show some respect faggot, without me you don't work. (Bethesda plant prolly)

>>737133752
Anon it has been EIGHT FUCKING YEARS since ESVI was released. Todd does not care about you, nothing about Bethesda that you liked still exists.

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>>737133474
Todd im tired of playing skyrim and the oblivion remake is unoptimized ue5 turd.

im begging you to just produce something of worth.

>WRPG
>2026
lol yeah, no thanks, Todd.

>>737135091
>>737134204
>7135091
its amazing to me how delusional bethesda is about starfield.

Everybody sees it flopped, everybody knows its a flop and they just keep trying to resurrect this dead space slop game.

>>737133752
>just let us make a trailer for a game that won't exist for a decade bro
If Microsoft didn't have an army of jew lawyers on retainer he would already have been arrested for false advertisement.

>>737140448
it already happened, its called Morrowind literally saved bethesda from going under.
ive said it before but bethesda peaked early and skyrim was their last good game.

>>737149146
It's Todd and Emil's vanity project. The end result is extremely fitting, and shows just how hard their success was carried by existing ips they had nothing to do with creating. That left alone to imagine their own unique ip and world all they could make was something incredibly uninteresting.

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>>737133474
does he think waiting 2 decades increases the hype? lol probably half the fans already lost interest

>>737138550
That kid named dovahkiin will probably be old enough to get married and have kids too by the time ES6 comes out

>>737149309
to be fair to Todd he had a major role in morrowind and did a lot of turd wrangling but he is long past his glory days.

But yeh Emil needs to fuck right off, completely garbage writer needs to be replaced by ted peterson or kirkbride.

>>737149315
The less people demanding it, the more time they can take with developing it

Why are people excited for ES7?
It's painfully obvious the Bathesda has it's best days behind it, it's been obvious for decades.

>>737150812
Because there are zero alternatives to their games.

>>737148085
its easy to forget fallout 4 but its important to remember.
Bethesda is just talentless at this point, simple as.
Their last passable game came out 15 years ago and I thought it sucked.

>>737148085
>wtf was he talking about
Todd legitimately thought Bethesda achievements were hard and considered the lockpicking achievements to be "skill based" achievements
he's extremely out of touch with video games at this point

>>737133752
they literally made a teaser trailer that was shown at E3 of all places you fucking retard

>>737152828
>suzi height mogging
h-h-hot

>>737150812
because there are people who thought skyrim was good

>>737133474
>What is his problem?
they announced tes6 before ms buyout, he simply doesn't care anymore (why would he)

>>737135610
>what the actual fuck happened to this industry
games are made the same way movies are

>>737148085
>Its easy to think it was out of arrogance
I do think that was a part of it. I heard 2 things from a supposed "leaker" 1 thing he said was that there are 2 camps in Bethesda, 1 camp are the marketer / business school type people who are into low fantasy stuff and want the games to be more grounded, and the other cmap want the fantastical high fantasy stuff like morrowind, but the former group won over and they got to decide the direction of the company after morrowind. Skyrim lead designer for example, said that the Elder scrolls universe is not interesting enough to be made into a movie or TV show, he seems to think of the franchise as almost something like low fantasy, and there are a few parts of skyrim that were written as if skyrim was suppose to be low fantasy as well.
>but I honestly wonder if it was just severe tech limitations
Another leaker man said that this was a huge issue for starfield, the big struggle for starfield according to this guy was something to do with how the ships worked. According to him they were in crisis mode because something to do with space travel or ships or something wasnt coming together.
>here's a small chance that TES6 is actually interesting
I do think so, i think their games have been improving since oblivion, i think oblivion was the low point, Skyrim was a little better and then fallout 4 / starfield were games where they were trying new things and maybe they didnt work out but Bethesda did learn from them.
> they're making a new engine finally
they do that with every game though? every game uses creation engine with a few tweaks, thus making it a "new engine"... from a certain point of view.
>I remember Todd doing starfield interviews talking about how now that they were owned by Microsoft they had the financial freedoms to go back to their roots and make a more hardcore RPG
wtf was he talking about?
To be fair, starfield is more of an RPG than skyrim.

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>>737133474
>this shit will sell millions and millions despite starfield and despite fallout 76 and despite fallout 4

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>>737133752
>making an announcement trailer is not the same as a proper announcement

>>737135848
it was a mother fucking TEASER
it is not the same as a trailer
holy fuck the fact that this is a real post
fuck just stop being stupid man
try fucking harder

>>737148085
>I really don't get Starfield
Bethesda was simply sick of making TES and Fallout all the time
They wanted a new IP unrelated to the two
Their new IP bombed hard
Now that they're satisfied they're back to making TES and Fallout once again

>>737155607
You've said nothing

>>737155607
but will anyone care?

>>737155607
if the game was even as interesting as Skyrim it would have done well
its not simply a new IP
for MOST Bethesda fans, Fallout and Skyrim were both new IPs to them
Why is Starfield so bland and lame? What was even the full vision? Why does it lack everything interesting about past Bethesda games while retaining everything people complained about previously?
Its not like they shat it out the game was in development for ages
If they wanted to phone it in they could have just jumped to TES 6 and iterated slightly on Skyrim and sold endless copies
Someone TRIED while making Starfield but what the fuck was the point of it?

2008 = Fallout 3
2011 = Skyrim
2015 = Fallout 4
2023 = Starfield

Troon Vegas was released back in 2010 by Obsidiot, FO76 was made by the Austin studio (now closed) back in 2018 and they shat out the Special Edition and VR in Skyrim back in 2016 and 2017 respectively while Oblivion Remastered was made by Virtuous and not by Bethesda themselves

Bethesda after FO4 became a money laundering operation, a studio as large as theirs released nothing major for close to a decade

>>737156254
>FO76 was made by the Austin studio
Didn't a lot of bethesda fallout people work on it though? Todd talks about it like its one of their games despite it being another studio but maybe that's just marketing speak.

>>737152961
Faggot

>>737151535
tainted grail

>>737156354
D: omg what am i gonna do?

>>737156316
No, Fallout 76 was made by their Austin studio

It's still Bethesda but not the main Maryland one

>>737137224
They’re just tendies but aren’t sucking off the nips 24/7.

>>737156254
>by the Austin studio (now closed)
is that confirmed? I know in 2024 there was a bunch of changes to Austin, but I never heard it actually closed.

I don't even care. I think Microsoft is pushing the social corpo slop on all these companies they bought and have no interest in it. enjoy your body types and pronouns, /v/.

>>737136417
Exactly this. Anybody who's ever worked corporate knows that the only flow of work allowed is 10 meetings with people only tangentially involved for every decision. Video game companies (and movie companies at that) are subject to the same bullshit.

Todd is so based lol

>>737146539
Lmao dumping all that oil down the sink
>NOT MY PROBLEM
And who doesn't love friedchicken made in a hotel vomit bucket

>>737133847
He probably knows that the chinks/snoy will just try to reviewbomb and spoil the game with fake news just like how they said Iran is winning the war.

>>737156675
The heat of the oil cooks the vomit

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>>737133474
i really hope todd has reflected on how shitty starfield was and buckles down for tes6 as it's likely his last game that he's directly involved with
i know he won't i just hope he does

by the time tes6 releases it'll be hilariously obsolete and will get mogged by other rpgs released within the same time period
the enshittification will continue and by the time ai crashes they'll still have aislop
skills will be streamlined and dumbed down even more while they'll add perks and turn elder scrolls into a stealth archer lootgoblin settlement sim builder
starfield's unity parallel universe garbage and starborn force powers is a test bench for elder scrolls since tower magic in the setting is op magic

12 years for StarCraft sequel
12 years for Diablo 3 sequel
23 years for FF7 remake

I think waiting too long is going to bode very ill for the future of your series.

Elder Scrolls players are MMO players now
Just like Final Fantasy players are MMO players now
and WarCraft players are MMO players

this shit's done.

>>737156243
both fallout and skyrim are still piggybacking on years worth of worldbuilding written by talented people who are no longer there
even newcomers who aren't nostalgic for them will respect the objective quality that's there

They'll have to compete and will be compared with whatever FromSoftware puts out, Baldur's Gay 4, Witcher 4, Kingdom Cum Deliverance 3, Sandfall Interactive and other studios pumping out open world RPGs.

ES6 won't even hold a candle to Crimson Desert.

Why announce it if it wasn’t even 10% made at the time?

>>737157115
they made the trailer because they got spooked at diablo immortal's negative reception when they only had an elder scrolls mobile game plus starfield's trailer and people were expecting a new mainline elder scrolls game

>>737157031
>ES6 won't even hold a candle to Crimson Desert
Crimson Desert doesn't even have character creation
The niche TES fills for a lot of people Crimson Desert doesn't even attempt to compete with

>>737156813
lets be real here the other contemporary rpgs when this comes out will also be dog shit

>>737157184
That's not an issue for me.
I like it when my games have a protagonist.
I am not in the video game.

>>737157279
Who asked or cares about you?

>>737157313
Not the video game.
Because it has a protagonist.

>>737135610
It breaks my heart and blows my mind every time I hear that.

>>737157031
Starfield is the best RPG of the generation, Crimson desert is just a worse elder scrolls game. They'll be fine with ES6.

>>737157279
Kliff is boring piece of driftwood, I hesitate to even call him a character.

>>737157685
Oh I haven't played Crimson Desert.
I just generally revile silent protagonists/self inserts (audience or writer).
The Last Dragonborn is a nobody. Solid Snake will be remembered in the vidya industry for a long fucking time.

>>737156802
Starfield was outsourced. Todd had no part in it

>>737140448
Nobody over the age of 25 in the industry has a dream game

>>737137469
This is 100% the answer. I don't know why anyone acts like they didn't know what they were doing. Some stupid C-level fuck probably told them to make the trailer expressly to lure in Microsoft, who they were already known to be in very early discussions with at the time. The deal closed in 2021, but had to go through a bunch of adjudication and shit beforehand, and I'm sure they leveled some kind of skepticism about TES6 at Bethesda, who demonstrated that there was immense market interest in the product with an extremely low-effort teaser video.

>>737158004
they only outsourced people to work on textures, I dont know why people claim that starfield was completely outsourced when nobody in the games industry knows how to work on creation engine except for bethesda.

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>>737148085
To put into perspective how much of a failure SF is, in three years people were still remembering and fondly playing Skyrim, faults and all. After a handful of months nobody even remembered Starfield and as of now its been nearly 3 years since its release.

>>737159032
I think it's a mix of two groups:
>racist chuds who think it's hilarious to call it Shartfield or Saarfield and meme about it being developed by a bunch jeets
>Bethesdrones huffing copium that wasn't developed by Todd's usual team because they think Starfield sucks
They just happen to overlap.

>>737159063
Thing is, Starfield didn't "fail" by any metric other than "not as successful as Skyrim", which is a pretty dumb goal seeing how Skyrim is in the top ten best-selling games of all time when you include all the platforms and rereleases. Starfield is, despite its flaws, still one of the most popular sci-fi RPGs out there.

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>737159063
Starfield has more players than Skyrim and Fallout 4 in the last week on steam and it still has 8 more years of updates and DLC coming for it. It's already improving in steam reviews and people are already starting to appreciate the game. It'll happen in time like all bethesda games.

>>737159523
I think Starfield got a way harsher negative reaction because people weren't comparing it to Fallout 4 on release much once it actually released, but were instead comparing it to literally all other space games. Elite Dangerous and No Man's Sky were the main ones, and neither of those games has anything even close to Starfield's RPG mechanics, instead being mainly focused on pure ship combat/flying and base building. Starfield, even though it's grounded setting might be more on the "dull" side, slaps the shit out of The Outer Worlds, the closest game in mechanics and design from before Starfield's release. And if people wanna instead complain about the woke shit in Starfield, The Outer Worlds is ten times worse in that regard.

>>737159865
Bethesdas quests and stories arent the magical ingredient that make people love their games, its the world building, setting, atmosphere, and exploration. Starfield was weaker in those categories because of how bland and unrewarding procedural generation could feel.

>>737159865

The fact that you can talk about starfield's flaws with people parroting youtubers is already a huge boon to the game so people know what to expect from it instead of hyperbole.

>>737160096
>parroting youtubers
Not just Starfield but I think every game just suffers from this shit so much. Used to be that most people didn't even know about most other games they didn't play, but now it seems like people have a preformed opinion on every big-budget game regardless of genre because every youtuber pumps out a video about it, regardless of whether they love or hate the genre.

When I read Game Informer way back in the day, they always had people that wrote reviews and articles based on their interests. So if you were reading about an RPG, it was the guy who liked RPGs rating it, and you knew it was a reasonably good analysis of the mechanics/story/etc. that other fans would appreciate. Now you have youtubers who play literally every game for a couple hours and then drop it and pretend they know everything about it, and their viewers eat that shit up.

What I don't get about starfield is why not just make TES in space. Make their own Warhammer 40k. It was right there and they instead opted to go with a setting so boring it might as well not exist.

>>737133474
Projects get cancelled, delayed, rebooted, repositioned, etc all the time. Committing to them publicly so far ahead of time is just pure stupidity cause you are just closing off options. You know that Todd probably wishes he is making Fallout 5 right now instead of TES VI. The same goes for CDPR and them announcing their slate, it will not surprise me if Cyberpunk 2077 sequel never comes out.

>>737160387
>Imperial of Man
>Aldmeri
>Dungmeri
>Leagues of Dwemer
>Argonphon

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>>737160321
Most people can instinctively tell if something is bad or going to be a waste of time, without investing money or time into it. This is an innate human survival mechanic, its the reason that when you see insects or certain kinds of fruit or foilage you feel disgust. The harsh, cruel, blood pressure raising reality for you is very few people want or liked Starfield. If they bought it they regretted it and tossed it aside like how early Paleolithic humans hated spoiled meat.

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>>737134024
I miss when Studios reused assets and we got a straight banger every 2 years.
Weird part is fromsoft showed it was still viable method until they sold 30 million copies and slowed down like everyone else.

>>737133474
He's a talentless hack and more and more people are finally realizing this

Are there any other games that hit the same itch as the Elder Scrolls?

>>737160387
They drove away people like Michael Kirkbride and demoted people like Kurt Kuhlmann who were pushing to make Bethesda settings more weird and edgy. This is why you shouldn't be expecting much from TES VI.

>>737160724
You could just eat a plate of shit. Same experience pretty much

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>>737160781
Why are slavs like this?

>>737160524
I actually had an idea where they could make it so that the dunmer disappeared in the space setting and the dwemer are still around.

>>737133474
>you see those mountains?
>pretend I didn't walk to them

>>737133474
Office-side power coupled with a vast playerbase that hedge all expectations on him as the face of it all can take a lot of a person, currupt him, or drive him mad. Todd is a case of all 3. Idk what goes on in this man's head nomore. Does he think Fallout 76 is good? The TV show? What about Starfield? He must see reason, right? The next Elder Scrolls will be awesome, right? Right?!

>>737134204
They are surely working on TESVI, no?

He was the first to invent press A for the awesome

>>737138541
No, it's JUST as complicated as modern Bethesda would've made an RPG nowdays. Mindless and linear with as little choice or thought into progression as it already has. Maybe more radient quests, endlesssly playable, and with settlement building!

>>737133474
>retard thought starfield was going to be well received, realises that the new elder scrolls is more of the same and is closer to starfield than anything else and will get panned by everyone.

>>737160737
>They drove away people like Michael Kirkbride
he was the only reason why the lore was interesting at all.

>>737138627
Sure they do. I think they're trash, but still a full game studio. How good or deep a game that'll be is to be seen. But they surely can make an open-world with owned assets and old engine and wear on it the old Skyrim "Do it to level it" system and combat. Some basic quests and random unnamed enemies sprinkled in, add The Dark Brotherhood questline, Fighter questline, and Mage questline. Rest is radient quest slop. Call it a game!

>>737140448
Naaah, he got enough creative control to say what game they be making and exactly how it'll be made down to the smallest quest. If he had anything in mind he'd craft a dreamteam and go for it. Only reason not to do it is if he's dissatisfied with the current form of Bethesda and didn't work enough to preserve talent and lose fat, which now that I bring it up, may be true.

>>737133847
It was to Todd jingling keys in front of your face to make you forget about the goatfuck that was Fallout 76. And like >>737146539 said, Saarfield leaked and people were mad that they weren't working on another Fallout/Elder Scrolls, so they announced the game to distract you from the fact that the game was at least a decade away.

>>737146708
>he's no longer acting with confidence
If the No Man's Sky guy could ham it in so much on his first real game, so can season pro Todd.
He will smile to the camera and everyone will suddenly believe him again. The old Todd magic. It just works. Wow.

>>737146713
>new vegas (non-canon)
Didn't the show make this to be the case for all Fallout games?

just play ESO in the meantime bro

No kidding will buy the next TES game no matter how good anyone says it is. It's a tradition since Oblivion was first downloaded by my dad on the family computer to buying it to the first trailer for Skyrim and preordering it, I will pay for a TES game and play it on release day with everyone. Just as I did with the lifeless Skyrim and Oblivion when I was 8yo. Skipped Morrowind, but it isn't fully voiced, so who cares? Just try to play Morrowind today- it's pretty cringe.

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>>737162220
>aye mane, my daddy left oblivion on his computer befoe he left and its my only memory of him. i played skyrim 2. but i cant play that wt boy morrowind shit cuz i cant reed nigga

>>737162220
>everything must be fully voice acted
thats actually cringe, zoomie faggot.

>>737135610

You just decribed every industry. Youre just witnessing first hand what happens to any industry that begins to outgrow every other entertainment form in money making. This is what happens, basically more people enter the field that want a piece of that cake, so more options emerge to accomodate.

Same happened to every industry. Take car industry, they made working mans cars that ran forever (no bugs no dlc, cheap) and now with tech progress we get complicated shit boxes, ugly, that break down and cost x10 as much (microtransactions, bugs etc )

>>737160575
>picrel
The Japanese never fail to astound me with corpo-worshipping takes and their shit taste in games. Why /v/ slobbers their proverbial cock so much confuses me. So what if you liked one anime or jerked off to some JAV actress?

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>>737133474
these things.....they take time

There are certain expentations set whenever any piece of information is given, depending on how it's given. Having a vague cinematic for TES6 very reasonably gives the impression that it will be out in 2-3 years time. Apparently they hadn't actually started it yet at the time beyond having a dozen or so devs doing early concepts. They might even now still be 2-3 years out, it was just a complete blunder on their part.

>>737147421
>Zoomers didn't play Skyrim and never grew up with Elder Scrolls like millennial uncs did
I am a Zoomer and grew up with Oblivion and was about 13 when Skyrim came out. Is this bait?
>It will also get mogged by Witcher 4, KCD3, E33 2, some new Fromslop RPG and some other new IP
No, TES is a special IP like Skyrim was a huge deal so will TES6. All you need to do is to knock them dead with a trailer like Skyrim did and you've got gold. It's like a new Witcher, but an important occation since it's so recognizeable to so many age-groups and lovers of the genre.
>Daily reminder to everyone that Skyrim's development only took 3 years
Wow, really? I don't know what it actually says about TESVI. Are they taking more time to prefect? Are games in general take more time to make these days? Are they lazy? Are they working on something else? What? Also 3 years did not amount to such an impressive game, mind you.

>>737162403
>i cant play that wt boy morrowind shit cuz i cant reed nigga
I couldn't speak any English when first playing Oblivion at 8yo. The game was still fun for me to play around in. Skyrim was fun for a teenager when it came out, but the more you look, the less you find.

>>737162149
This. It’s really good especially on game pass

>>737162431
>everything must be fully voice acted
>thats actually cringe, zoomie faggot
I didn't outright say it! I played a lot of unvoiced games. Next one on my list is Rogue Trader by Owlcat. Morrowind is too dated for me like OG Deus Ex, HoMaM3, and Half-Life. VtM:B is right on the borderline and I can play it.

>>737160724
it depends what you got out of elder scrolls. I thought Tainted grail was just as fun to quest and explore in as any bethesda game, though it was much smaller. I also had a lot of fun exploring the world of elden ring and it reminded me of seeking out and doing dungeons for treasure in morrowind, but its not for everyone.

>>737162854
You're missing out on a lot of kino.

>>737163076
I know. I just can't bring myself to play dated games ever.

>>737133474
I want to trow a heavy face at his stupid vase, fucking piece of shit

>>737133474
He has no problems, that's his problem. He obviously is politically talented to survive as the studio head for this long. Bethesda has to make nothing, in fact they lose value when they do now because they're actuallly dogshit as a studio and have been for a long time. He's quote says it all, they're worth more now as a speculative asset than they will be down the road when they release and inevitably dogshit rpg

>>737152828
Yo what the fuck?
Bailey Jay is taller than Todd?

>>737160575
>fromsoft slowed down
no they didn't, we got 1 game each year

>>737163397
fellow zoomgod here, morrowind is kino just use a combat mod to make the combat like skyrim

>>737138006
Lol, this is so true. I produce fish. On the ocean. The big boss is an accountant. He doesnt know anything about the industry. He cant drive a boat. He cant fix the equipment. He doesnt even know wtf the feed is made of. Yet, he thinks he is smart for writing off every new equipment as an 'investment'. I keep telling hin there wont be a single time in history that we can sell this for more than he bought it for, so how the fuck is it an investment? The budget for my location was 20millipn, and it didnt include the 40million he spent on 'investment equioment'. Meanwhile, I work with the equipment, I keep telling him that the data he gets from the equipment is wrong, it flat out lies. the equipment counts 1 lice for every 5 lice that is on the fish, and in 2-3 years the government will find out and make a rule change, which makes all the tens of millions he have spent on this retarded computer equipment completely wasted. None of the equipment he has 'invested' in, increase production. It doesnt increase productivity. When I use the equipment, it takes me almost twice as long to do my job. I asked him if he knows anything about producing fish, he just laughed and said 'no, I'm a money man'. Okay, then imagine if I were to do the taxes for this company, it would be retarded, yes? He agrees. OK, then maybe you should stick to doing taxes and not try to produce fish. He should be in jail for defrauding the investors with his incompetence.

>>737164478
Thinking about a run of it, yes.

>>737133474
The problem is that everyone in directorial position in vidya buiz end up as an egomaniac that is vixated on his vision to the point of not having anyone questioning their concept or becoming money obssesed bitch that responds only to investors. Sometimes its even a m8x of both, because basicly thats the industry version of the (mud)crab - everything evolves into one given the enviorment you live in.
>tldr ver. Todd and multiple directorial lvl devs are muscrabs

>>737135610
10 quality devs get more done than 500 women and trannies and niggers

>>737133474
bethesda had a different roster in mind before the microsoft aquisition. microsoft turned everyone into a girlboss and niggers

>>737133752
>His problem is that gamers are mentally retarded
No, his problem is that Bethesda players are mentally retarded, which makes sense, since they wouldn't play Elder Scrolls otherwise.
In the end it's all Todd's fault.

>>737133847
Reminds me of how cyberpunk was announced in like 2014 or bannerlord and neither got released until a decade later and they were still unfinished on release

>>737135610
The videogame industry became more lucrative than Hollywood while at the same time became a worse work environment than ever for talented devs who just go do other smarter shit like mobile app or AI development instead of game dev

TES6 is going to sell extremely well and be hailed as a success on the back of that and if you don't believe me just look at how many posts this thread has when it's not even anywhere close to release. people crave nostalgia slop. TES is a massive unrelenting draw.

>>737168713
How is a new entry "nostalgia slop"?

>>737168889
Because TES games are all the same formulaic loreslop

>Arena and Skyrim released 17 years apart
>17 years after Skyrim will be 2028
It's ridiculous how shit Bethesda is these days. We should have got TES:VI in 2015-2017.

They were cocky before. Now "something" happened and they aren't as eager and confident

>>737146539
The not my problem ending makes it all worth it.

>>737169057
So are Souls games
So are Civ games
So are Total War games
So are AoE game
So are 90% of JRPGs
So are 90% of fighting games
So are 90% of puzzle games
So are 90% of MMOs
So are deck builders
So are assfaggots
So are FPS games
So are TPS games
So are platformers
So are side-scrollers
The difference is that all these games have various alternatives. I can go to steam right now, click the "souls-like" tag and get hundreds of similar games. Meanwhile if I want to play a "TES-like" I have no alternatives, it's just TES.

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>>737135610
The part of this that you aren't considering and that most people aren't willing to admit is that the base expectation is higher now too. People expect bigger worlds, more content, more of everything, alongside the obvious higher fidelity graphics.

At one point, Star Fox 64 was considered a major part of a consoles line up. That game has about 2 - 3 hours of original content. To be clear, I think it's an all time great. But you can't release a game like that anymore or it would be treated like it has no content and "how could a major AAA game be this barebones".

On top of all this, games are just functionally more complex to make now. Look at the original Resident Evil and look at Resident Evil 9 and tell me you honestly believe that you could make those two with the same size team in the same time frame. You can't. And yet Resi 9 still got retards saying "omg you can finish it in 4 hours LOOOOL NO CONTENT".

>>737169057
TES is better than any Asian or snoyslop
Ya seethe?

>>737170778
All of this could resolved with proper pricing. Paying $15-$20 for a modern Starfox 64 is perfectly reasonable. But retards want all the money so they'd price it somewhere between $40-$60. Fuck look at the japanese AA industry, fuckers are charging AAA price for ugly, rehashed JRPGs like Legend of Heroes and Ys, why?

>>737133752
>retard idiot: the post

>>737169117
Nah, we should have gotten TES6 no later than 2020-2021 to compensate for Fallout 4's release

They should be shitting out Fallout 5 now in a parallel universe

he has never made a good game btw
every single game is "saved" by mods, but the games were always dogshit
skyrim was so bad its comical

>>737136281
>standing on a stage and announcing things to uproarious applause
Maybe he should have a Ted talk.

>>737169389
TES games are just dungeon crawlers, you have plenty of choice

Microsoft is clearly going to make it lame and gay.

If starfield took place on 5 or 6 handcrafted planets with the poi's being handplaced and the starborn shit being removed the game would've been better

>"Just don't believe my lies"
Todd is getting old...

>>737133474
Bethesda made three mainline elder scrolls games in the span of 7 years and now we get jack shit

This extends to most of the industry. Video gaming as a hobby was a mistake

>>737176150
>We've had every single mainline game within a 17 years timespan.
>It's now been 15 years since Skyrim
When you put it like that, might as well acknowledge that the series is dead.
Whatever will come back to us won't be the same even if it's good (which it won't be).

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>>737133474
>Announces a game 10 years in advance
>Release games with glaring issues
>Pretends the issue is announcing games

Is he really this retarded, /v/ros?

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Buy Starfield so TES 6 could have enough money for development.

>>737176476
Already did. Sunk 120 hours in so far.
It's simultaneously great and complete garbage bc Bethesda ruins their good moments with extreme incompetence & a shitty engine

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>>737146539
Not really, If you check exact timeline and what happened back then, it was probably announced to sidestep criticism. During that time, shortly before this teaser, there was a blizzcon with red shirt guy and diablo immortal fiasco.

During the conference, Bethesda also announced their mobile game(blades was it?) that looked like mobile skyrim, they just didn't want to get same treatment as blizzard

This is my headcanon. This is fun looking at how this small fumble eats them away now

>>737146539
>>737177539
Was it just good will though, or did they also tease Skyrim to up their value before being bought by Microsoft?

>>737177775
>Skyrim
*TESVI kek

>>737177775
>>737177868
I don't think so, the deal was announced at the end of 2020, and TES6 was teased 1,5 year before that. Even when we consider corporate crawl of things it would mean they would have to know if and be sure of it even earlier.

>>737135610
the jews

>>737133474
He knows everyone will turn on him the moment Elder Scrolls VI releases and it turns out to be a huge pile of shit.
That's why it's been almost 15 years since the last game.

>>737177539
>This is my headcanon. This is fun looking at how this small fumble eats them away now
I honestly don't think it had much of an impact on their current troubles. Even if they had not announced anything, they would still receive tons of pressure to release a new mainline TES game. They spent the last 15 years intensively milking the ip with side projects and re-releases, so it's not like they can make the excuse "we want to do something else now" like other developers do.

>>737135610
Corporate world is about 50% whores in jew daycare, whose only purpose is to slow everyone down with useless garbage that no one cares about.

>>737178667
Also the fact that software development now is infested with browns.
Why was the 2000s the peak of humanity? Because of total and utter white domination in the technology field, internet was completely white without browns (nor normgroids) polluting it with their stupid garbage

>>737135610
70% of development times goes to creating assets + animations, 20% story and other shit and 10% actual development.
This wasn't the case in 2000s because complexity of assets and overall animations barely had any importance.
Now, simply changing a walking animation for a few characters can take weeks if not months.
>t. worked at EA

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>>737135610
>old good
>new bad
Before younger you had a lot of shit games, a few mid, and masterpiece you then bought sequel as a safe-value/captive audience/inertia.
Today older you just have greater expectations, past your nostalgia you won't apply the same standard you had back then.

There are more games than ever to chose from, yes even more are crap but even more are good. You just need to find them and stop seeking validation from others for your choice.

Indy studio today can do better game than the old studio did with 10-20. They, learn from the past.

>>737180674
>>old good
>>new bad
Yes, unironically.

>>737180965
stupid contrarian

>>737135610
Games attempt to do much more now, simulate much more. That all requires an immense amount of time to pull through.

>>737149512
I wonder if he's still red to this day.

>>737180674
you can't post that, crying is a pedo dog whistle now

>>737133474
> Oh... noooo... now I gotta make the game?
insane, don't announce anything then fucking loser.

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>>737133474
>What is his problem?
He has to please the satanic agenda. And not just him, all of these popular video game franchises have conveniently reached the number 6.
>GTA
>Far Cry
>Elder Scrolls
>DOOM
>Battlefield
>Persona
>Halo
>Street Fighter
>Hitman
>MGS
>Armored Core
>Super Smash Bros
>Bloons TD
>Serious Sam
>Devil May Cry
>Forza Horizon
All announcing the mark of the beast.

Revelation 13:17-18 KJV
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Honourable mention:
>Resident Evil 9 (upside down 6)
>Dying Light The Beast
>Final Fantasy 16

The beast is none other than Donald Trump.
TRUMP = 88 in English Gematria.
Trump's grandmother:
>Elisabeth CHRIST
Trump's grandfather:
>Frederich CHRIST Trump
Trump's grandmother death date:
>6/6/66
Trump's mother:
>Mary
"Donald J Trump" english gematria:
>888
"Jesus" greek gematria:
>888
Trump's original german name:
>Donald Johann Drumpf (6 6 6 letters)
Trump's age on day of inauguration:
>70 years, 7 months, 7 days
Meaning of "Donald":
>'Ruler of the world'
Israel founded:
>700 days after Trump's birth
Israel's birthday on Trump's 700th day as president:
>70 years, 7 months, 7 days
Aleister Crowley wrote a letter on 6/14/1946 regarding news of a "moon child" being born.
Trump's birthday:
>6/14/1946 (during a blood moon eclipse, the only one of the year)

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>>737182152

TES 6 will have
>Pronouns in character creation
>Separate genital options
>Gay NPCs
>Inter-race racial diversity, like white redguards and black imperials
>Khajit will no longer speak with a Spanish accent

>>737182302
>TES 6 will have
I'll bet you a quarter it will never come out.

>>737133752
It wasn't a "We're doing this eventually" trailer. If it was, it would have been a plain screen with some concept art that said "The Elder Scrolls VI is now in pre-production."
They put together a high quality rendering of a section of Hammerfell to create the impression that the game was further along than it really was.

I'm 100% sure TES6 will die after like a month and Skyrim once again will be the most played TES game.

>>737182412
They showed a generic logo without a subtitle
And a generic block of land which does not resemble a representation of a real traversable environment
I honestly think you're posting in bad faith because no real trailers are as barebones as the one they showed

>>737152828
what's with the bra straps

>>737135610
before you had just one manager and now you have a whole genealogic tree of management consisting of nepo babies and diversity hires that needs to earn money on their made up positions

>>737180674
indie is 99.99 pixelated 2D slop
it's incredibly rare for a good indie game to come out

>>737133474
the problem isn't that he announced it too early, but rather that starfield made everyone realize that Bethesda will never change. they'll always be hard carried by nostalgia and modders, the normals just found out recently.

>>737182826
That would be really fucking sad if a game thats been anticipated for almost 20 years now was so bad, so uneventful that its not even remembered in public consciousness for bare minimum a year. That would be like people forgetting the Phantom Menace in the 16 year gap from ROTJ to that movie.

>>737133474
Doesn't matter. My youth is gone, the days were I could have happily enjoyed this game have ended. I will forever begrudge Todd and Bethesda for not releasing it during 2016-2020. Instead they "made" FO76 and infinitely delayed Starfield until they could release the game nobody wanted in 2023.

We're now in 2026 and TES 6 is still nowhere to be found, probably won't be released for another 2-3 years. Bethesda have failed their fans for 10+ years. They really are the most game devs of the 2020s, with how they're now releasing tv shows instead of making games. Who cares about games, it's all about content you can shit down your audience's throat, just fucking release CONTENT, mobile games, tv shows, mmorpg lootboxes, whatever. WHO CARES ABOUT GAMES, OUR FANS WILL BUY ANYTHING JSUT SLAP OUR LOGO ON IT.. Todd is just a soulless suit, he and Bethesda does not deserve the TES IP.

Watch TES 6 when it comes out try to water down the setting as much as possible, just to make it suitable for a tv show adaptation.

>>737182302
AI says Bethesda has been putting gay NPCs in all their games since the 1990s. Did you know that? I didn't.

>>737154153
Calm down Pajeet. Is Bethesda no longer paying you? Is that why you're so upset?