I just want to say I like the idea of censoring twitter names so they can't use /v/ for exposure/advertising. Good job.

>>737135125
they have an infinite money printing machine and are entitled to do nothing. they only can do this

Just don't be greedy. Be generous like Valve with employees.

>>737135125
stay private
public sounds great on paper, but we've seen first hand that it's a Faustian bargain that slowly sucks the creativity and life from any company that takes the gives

>>737135440
pretty much
being a public company sounds like an absolute scam

>>737135627
the only thing stupider than an executive is a shareholder

>>737135440
>>737135627
>>737135763
They'll inevitably go public
Either Gabe will give in to greed, they'll be forced to, or Gabe retires/croaks and Valve is lead by someone driven by greed
It's inevitable, and then things will go downhill quick. Hope you all didn't put all your eggs in the Steam basket

>>737136020
normally I'd agree that's true with whoever ends up succeeding gabe, but also valve is like, literally an infinite money machine. you'd have to be REALLY stupid to fuck that up. but unfortunately, as I said before, executives are incredibly stupid people, so I can't say it's not possible

>>737135125
Populism. Cover up your greediness with lots of populist tactics to get people to consoom.
It's the same as gacha. You ever see addicts calling their gacha games "generous"? Gacha creates an artificial currency dingus. They constantly give you 5 dingus. You log in to get lots of 5 dingus. It never occurs to you that it is an artificial currency and they could give you 10000 dingus from the get-go. You're a good goy and never realize this. They are generous for giving you so much dingus. You're happy to be a good goy, and their profit is proof you should keep being a big goy.
Gacha is successful and profits. That means it's good, right?

>>737135125
extremely white

>>737136791
>Populism
The word is so weird when applied to politics. Especially democracy.
If someone was elected, and they were not the most popular of the candidates, would that not be a bug?

>>737135125
>Stealing his tweet and hiding his handle
Give credit to @Pirat_Nation, fucking thief.

Gabe can literally pay for each employees entire vacation out of pocket

>>737136020
>Gabe will give in to greed
He has so much money because he stayed private not in spite of it.

>>737136791
>You ever see addicts calling their gacha games "generous"?
I used to see that occasionally with mobile ads years ago before gatcha was as big at least in the west and always read it as "We don't screw you as badly" which I always found funny.
Now it's just sad.

>>737135125
Staying private. Public companies cannot do these things because shareholders would never allow it.

Nothing

They are by far the most jewish company out there and their products suck ass, their users are cultists cause they dont own their games

>>737136791
Okay Tim

>>737138040
calm down artifactschizo

>>737135440
>public sounds great on paper
Just like communism
And just like communism, it is actually just a jewish trick to enslave goyim

>>737135125
>be the first to offer a product for a market
>maintain your leading position in said market by constantly improving your product and giving more value to costumers
>treat your costumers with respect and put them above corpos
>stay as a private entity with a sleam, small but efficient team of experts
>compensate those experts properly so they never go away to any other company
>never go public or participate un public drama
>have all your "competitors" be extremely stupid and shoot themselves.

What am i missing?

>>737138040
>They are by far the most jewish company out there
>When Activision, EA, Ubiosft and virtually every mobile developer or large publisher exist

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>>737136020
>They'll inevitably go public
They make SO MUCH MONEY being private there's LITERALLY no incentive in going public

>>737135125
They don't desperately ruin the experience of paying customers just to stop some poor incel retard from getting something for free he would have never bought anyway.
They also have a strong company mandate on letting people do whatever they want with things they paid money to use.

It's really that easy. So simple it makes their competition look genuinely retarded.

>>737138324
uhh
horse armor bad or something idk

>>737136020
The people in denial to this universal fact of life are in for a rude awakening when they find out just how greedy people can get when an owner dies.
If you haven't ripped and catalog every game you own on Steam(which Valves says you are legally entitled to do with built-in features to do it) then you are a fucking moron.

Valve isn't a "studio" they are more like digital walmart. It's like asking why walmart is successful

>>737135125
why hawaii?

>>737138040
Brown comment

>>737138558
>>737136020
I know you're salivating at the thought of finding the proper blackmail material to make it happen but I doubt gabe or his successor are raping any kids.

>>737138145
Imagine actually typing this

>>737138597
That's an utterly retarded understanding of their history as a company.
Epic Games store and GoG exist so what you are saying makes no sense.

Walmart also invaded every inch of everywhere and actively strangled competition on purpose while Steam merely exists.

>>737138725
You didn't even read my post, you retarded non-human bacterial colony.

>>737138373
Valve outjews them, other companies let you open your lootbox while valve make you buy a key to open them, then you sell your skin for 4 cents yet you only get back 1 cent cause valve takes a cut

I work at a $30 billion company. This is typical for large corporations. I receive a substantial amount of PTO, sick leave, voluntary time off, and flexible holidays. Additionally, whenever we travel for events, we stay at luxury hotels with all expenses covered.

Last time we had all staff at resort with open bar. They do this yearly.

>>737138652
His user base is mostly brown

>>737138618
Hawaii's really nice.
>t. Aunt has a timeshare on Maui

They don't have (((shareholders)))
that's what they do right

>>737138926
For people in the cushy positions sure. You think the people low on the totem pole get any of that?

>>737138947
There are more brown then non brown people in the world

>>737138324
>>be the first to offer a product for a market
Wrong right from the first meme caravan. Valve did what Epic wanted to do, in that they made a better platform in response to a worse platform. People initially loved Steam because it was not the Ubishit launcher, and it wasn't the 10,000+ dedicated DRM-checkers that other games (namely stuff that EA had) were using.

>>737138947
Did you know brown people breathe air?
Uh oh! Time to stop breathing!

>other studios
Valve is not a studio anymore. They're a publisher. Big difference.

>>737138145
meanwhile capitalism is responsible for unachievable housing, low wages that kill reproduction rate, poverty for working people. capitalism was good for 20 years 70 years ago but keep blaming the communism boogeyman. meanwhile people are happier and better off in all socialist european countries.

>>737139171
I'm not even high in the totem pole at my company.

>>737139460
"Capitalism" is just a phrase communists spent more than a century twisting and morphing into propaganda.
Everything bad communists blame on "capitalism" always manages to happen under communism, but somehow WORSE.
>shit housing?
worse under communism
>low wages?
HAH! you don't get PAID under communism. not even in food! you just starve
>reproduction rate?
so bad under communism that they had to stop keeping their farmers as slaves in the 70s
>poverty gap?
just as bad under communism because it turns out that making a retarded easily-abused power structure will attract abusive people who hoard wealth
>happier in socialist countries?
those countries are happy because their capitalism is holding their system up, and they are only able to subsist on a small amount of capitalism because a much bigger and more capitalistic nation (america) is shielding them via the NATO alliance

>>737135125
>how can other studios emulate their success?
This might sound a bit antisemitic, but perhaps the competition should try appealing to the customers and not just publishers? Not being worse than steam could go a long way.

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>>737135125
valve's business model is essentially "if the product is good, the money will come" so they don't even worry about making money because if they make something good, they know they'll make bank off of it. many other studios focus on money first and thinking "what game can we make to maximize our profit." as a result valve ends up being "pro consumer" mostly just because they care more about the consumer experience than the money. additionally gabe said in an interview that many companies have a strategy of outsourcing by hiring whoever can do a job at the cheapest cost, but they do the opposite and hire whoever does the job for the highest price because those people tend to be very productive. so they combine a lot of good talent with just trying to make good stuff first and not worrying about money, and the end result is the consumer wins which means they get money and they win.

also see this interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td_PGkfIdIQ&t=690
11:30 he talks about hiring, 14:50 he talks about being a private company

>>737139908
ultimately semetic means jews and their business dealings, so its both anti-semetic and pro-semetic.
its bad because you hurt their short-term business model, but good because you are pointing towards a better long-term growth plan.

Thus, I must give you the traditional jewish response to such things, and demand the ruling government crucify you for your falsehoods.

Gaben actually treats his employees well which is what makes greedy corporate execs like Tim Sweeny seethe openly in frequent Twitter melties. Valve would be terraformed into an exploitative shithole if it ever goes public.

>>737139902
exquisite cope
>tell me you're a golden spoon baby without telling me

>>737138728
You conveniently didn't say he was wrong

>>737138145
>Just like communism
Only retards think that communism sounds great in theory. Actual brain havers immediately understand that communism doesn't work because it's based on the assumption that every person has the same abilities/potential, which obviously isn't true.

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>20 years later and still has a dedicated playerbase larger than majority of newly released online shooters

>>737140190
>being able to read a history book is cope and being born with a golden spoon now.
You have the same access to the resources needed as I do, golden-spoon baby.
You are spoiled and do not want to use them because that would mean your shitty death cult was wrong for all their genocides.

>>737140279
Delusional fanbase, most were proven to be bots

>>737139460
>unachievable housing
I bet you aren't typing this from a homeless encampment. Capitalism has created incredible wealth, the fact that things are getting expensive in the formerly nice countries is because "we" are sharing that wealth with half of the third world that "we" are importing.
If we had a less efficient system than Capitalism we would have all already starved to death.

>>737136791
>generous
It's a relative term. Relatively smart people understand those. You're absolutely not one of those.

Step one: Stay a private company

>>737140279
Hero shooter, but for fags

>>737140249
well, some parts of it are like that and of course always fail because of it.
theoretically the system COULD correct for that, but communists are fucking retards that don't realize that you would need unlimited resources to accomplish it.

communism is REALLY easy to envision once you give everyone star-trek levels of technology.
unlimited energy and matter-reproduction make everything easy.
That is why the only semi-realistic depiction of a functional socialistic large-scale society is star-trek... science fiction.

>>737138558
>when an owner dies
a lot of the time their kids don't have an interest in running the company and just bailout. I'm not sure that's just greed as much as total lack of interest. Also it's tricky to leave wealth without splitting it up by design.

>>737135125
Staying private

>>737135125
>What does Valve do right
Nothing. They're the same cancer as Sony and Microsoft.

just be part of the world greatest money-laundering ring and take a flat 30% commission on each transaction

>>737140542
Don't you have some more people to fire Tim?

>>737140315
you mean like how you're spamming this thread with anti-valve bs?
all your posts are 1 minute apart

>>737140572
you mean the art community?

>>737140572
Payment processors are better at that than storefronts.

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So what exactly are peoples "argument" for being against Valve?

>>737138145
Public companies are a capitalist creation, literally absolutely nothing to do with communism you absolute retard.

>>737135440
>public sounds great on paper
No it doesn't lmao, not if you want to work in peace
It's only good if you want to sell your company

>>737140572
First it's not flat a 30%
Also does that mean consoles are a money laundering ring?

>>737139264
They did what Epic wanted to do, they made games exclusive to Steam to force people to download it until they held a complete monopoly.
Steam fucked sucked for a decade too.

>>737136020
>lead by someone driven by greed
Steam make litteraly billions of gain every single year and keep making more and more, selling your part of the money printing machine would be so fucking retarded

they have managed to stay a private company and are not beholden to shareholders so they can do whatever they want
from there, it's just make good decisions

>>737140968
valve does not have a complete monopoly, they never did

>>737135125
>What does Valve do right
all you have to do to emulate this success is go to harvard and then found your company at a point in history when new technologies are creating massive new markets to be conquered. it also helps if you are a "morally grey" libertarian and are okay with shit like underground markets and gambling

>>737138558
what are the built-in features to rip my games?

>>737138889
>you have to buy a key to the lootbox you get for free and which you can sell for money on the market, you can trade the lootboxes with other people or give them other items equivalent in value
>you have to buy the lootbox
>option 1 us more jewish you guise
Consoleniggers should not be allowed to type online.

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>>737136020
Volvo makes a billion with a B from CS2 cases alone every year. Gaben has more money than god. They will never be forced to go private.

>>737138947
Chinks and rusniggers are not brown and are most certainly more human than a nig, favelito or seamonkey.

>>737140681
>all your posts are 1 minute apart
lol everyone is anonymous you schizo

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>>737136020
why would they go public? gabe has infinite money and anyone who succeeds him as head of the company inherits his infinite money. the only reason to go public is if you need funding, which they don't - far from it. they actually have so much money they don't even know what to spend it on so they just blow it on fun r&d hardware projects. there's no way they would ever go public unless a successor to gabe ends up making such monumentally bad decisions that it stops steam from printing free money

>>737136791
So what is the non-goy alternative? GOG?

>>737137591
sometimes they're the most popular because they made things to make people happy short-term, even if it fucks the country long-term. That is populism

>>737138324
>be the first to offer a product for a market
This isn't even true
There were other stores selling digital games and Steam wasn't even popular for years
But they actually improved their service over time and did it without cash advances from share holders, so they never had to move to a phase where they would need to start fucking people over to be able to pay dividends each quarter

>>737138558
Until this happens, you are just fantasizing

>>737141253
Many games give lootboxes for free retard, i didn't spend a cent on apex legends but got many skins
>b-but i wasted time selling them for 1 penny each and you can't pull this money out of steam you must buy something on steam with it!!!! Thats so generous!

>>737138558
equity of valve is already spread among tons of employees, so the majority of them would all have to agree to kill their golden goose for no reason
You also don't seem to realize plenty of business exists that aren't enslaved by the US stock market

>>737135125
Other companies try to predate as much as possible on their customers, and treat their own eployee like shit, while trying to lecture us on their woke trash as if they are free of sin.

I don't see any of this shit from Valve and also I know that their employees are paid really well.

>>737136020
>Gabe will give in to greed
Much more likely Gabe will die soon.
Even if he lived a lot (which I hope), Gabe will never be let us down, especially because he has already the money.

>>737139902
>DUUUUH SCAYNDINAYVIA IZ PROSPEROUZ BECUZ WE DA AMERICAYNS PROTECT *THEM O ALGO

Footnotes:
* Suppress their own military by force, force our companies there at the expense of their own, start wars in the middle east and make them accept the gazillions of refugees we force out of their own countries so that our kike overlords may appropriate the land with our installed political puppets.

>>737135125
be a rentseeking parasite on the whole industry collecting 30% tax while doing nothing?

>>737141424
i know who you are now, you make this exact same defense every time someone calls you out in valve threads

>>737135125
So how many Indians work at Valve? Is there a rough estimate somewhere?

>>737135125
Oy vey. The excess profit they are wasting on that should be going to the shareholders!

>>737141830
It's funny, if Steam/Valve was sold to MS without changing anything tomorrow they'd get sued instantly for monopoly and anti consumer practice and gambling and whatnot.

>>737141776
uh oh, melty!
>its just some shitskin thirdworlder
lmao

There is nothing you can do to break into a first to come platform. It's why Google bought YouTube, because it was the largest and first thing people go to. It's why other video platforms never did as well. When people have already spent their time, energy and money depending on what, people won't leave.

>>737141830
>doing nothing
no one has done for pc gaming more than they did, especially in the past few years with proton
meanwhile consoles are trying to trap their goycattle harder than ever

>>737141623
>apesex player is an 80 IQ retard
Figures, play a valve game and notice how the lootboxes have value.

>>737141623
>can't pull the money out of steam
Skill issue

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>>737136278
>you'd have to be REALLY stupid to fuck that up
where there's a jewish will, there's a jewish way. it'll just take one to slip in, and it's curtains.

>>737142135
>no argument
That's cool, zogdrone.

>>737142267
youtube wasn't the first to go to.
Vimeo and Dailymotion launched at roughly the same time and before, and none of them are the first.
Newgrounds is a bigger contender for that, but it wasn't built around videos explicitly.

>>737142474
>"produce an argument against my incoherent babbling!"
I did.
Anything else, muhammed?

>>737141623
I have bought multiple games from selling csgo cases which were marinating in my inventory.

>>737142583
Concession accepted, desert-dick.

>>737142736
Ah so you don't have any response?
Typical of a seething shitskin lmao

GET BACK TO WORKING ON DEADLOCK YOU LAZY FUCKS.

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>>737135125
does everything for his customers instead of for (You)

>>737140469
>a lot of the time their kids don't have an interest in running the company and just bailout.
Literally just hire a CEO to manage it for you, you don't have to be publicly traded for that.

>>737139902
Define "communism".

>>737135440
>it's a Faustian bargain that slowly sucks the creativity and life from any company

You sub 50IQ drones can't be THIS fucking stupid to not notice the irony

Valve became the most unproductive and creatively bankrupt company in the industry by a long shot, far more so than any public company became.

They only released a single fucking VR game in over 10 years and a failed trend chasing card game, a failed trend chasing autobattler, and that's fucking it.
They pioneered every greedy monetization scheme in gaming amd are leeching 30% of pc gaming industry's revenue as a middle man. They barely employ any developers because they barely develop anything
Meanwhile it's CEO is spending all that leeched money on buying billion%$ luxury yacht armadas

They are the absolute best example of why one billionarie shouldn't have this much power

They are privately owned and do not allow saudi arabian or chinese money to completely dictate how they run their company.
Of course, gaben is a once in a lifetime sort of business owner and as soon as he dies steam goes right into the shitter in pursuit of short term profits rather than stability.

The simple answer is, he does nothing, because nothing ever happens, and that's a good thing.

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>>737138376
but they would make SO MUCH MORE MONEY if they went public! and EVEN MORE MONEY if they would stop appealing to chuds and make games for the MODERN AUDIENCE!
...hello? Valve shareholders? I said you would MAKE MORE MONEY if you do this!
MORE MONEY, VALVE SHAREHOLDERS!
hello? Valve shareholders? where are you?

>>737143046
We don't divide our paragraphs with 2 line breaks here.

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>>737143046
Proton and FEX are fucking incredibly significant breakthroughs that can legit change the industry and its all open source

God these threads turn into schizo rambling.
Why can't you animals be civil?

>>737143304
The only people who hate valve are literal shills and schizos. What did you expect?

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>>737135125
They harvest ungodly amounts of money from literally everyone that makes games and they give exactly none of it to "investors". No one else can ever emulate them because no one else will ever be a private company that owns Steam.

>>737136020
Valve is literally the most profitable company per capita (per employee). What would be the greed that could sway them to change their ways?

>>737143304
I don't think people are wrong when they say that there's some dedicated paid anti-valve brigading because you have some of the most retarded arguments I've seen constantly spammed trying to sway the public opinion elsewhere

>>737143346
Some days I hope the schizos find a new fixation

>>737143046
>BROO THRY TAKE 30% FOR NOTHING
>other than giving your game a platform of 100mil potential players, in a platform which manages the updates you provide for your entire userbase, a notification board, an item marketplace, a discussion forum, means to connect the players without them having to port forward, workshop mod support.

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>30%!
Why does this piss people off?

>>737143469
If they are trying to sway opinions they are doing a fucking terrible job at it and probably making people more in favor of Valve rather then hurt it

>>737143046
the mind of a steam hater is weird and warped

>Valve became the most unproductive and creatively bankrupt company
they provide a stable service, one that works, why breaking something that works? to please investors? create a steam cash shop? steam lootboxes?

>They only released a single fucking VR game in over 10 years and a failed trend chasing card game, a failed trend chasing autobattler, and that's fucking it.
they're not really in the business of doing games now, which is arguably meh, but they never really were really doing great games anyway

>They pioneered every greedy monetization scheme in gaming
false, that's EA, Ubisoft, and plenty more, steam doesn't even have a cash-shop integration, lootboxes, gacha mechanics, and in fact it's probably the company that's consistently anti-greed and pro consumers in the market for the previous ten years

>amd are leeching 30% of pc gaming industry's revenue as a middle man.
and if no one can ever dethrone them it seems steam seems to be working then :)

>>737139902
Man, even world bank admitted recently that their mass privatization /free market shilling was total bullshit, simply because they can no longer pretend that this is better than state planning with China so strongly disproving this shit

Western countries themselves rose into power under state planned industrialization, the only reason the west shilled the entire capitalism crap is because it allowed them to force debt trapped or overthrown global south countries to sell their resources for pennies to western copros, which is why the west was such a stark prosperous beacon of capitalist prosperity, while the entire rest of the capitalist world was a poor shithole.

>>737143029
A shitty cult that centers itself around a dream of utopia that its followers intend to achieve via long term manipulation and blind faith in an incomplete plan that has a long and bloody history of failure.
Its central dogma often revolves around blaming any and all problems in life on "muh capitalism" regardless of how independent such problems are from it. This independence is proven, again, by the long and bloody history of failures by said cult.

Communism's grand orthodox plan is as follows:
>step 1: revolution
society is flawed and must be torn down and replaced so we can have a utopia!
>step 2: fascism
we need ABSOLUTE control over everything and everyone so we can purge society of its sins! (remove "muh capitalism" in its every form from society, down to individual thoughts and opinions
>step 3: make utopia???????
somehow, after tearing down a mostly functional system and replacing it with literally hitler (really, stalin. but the irony of the phrase is funny) that is easily abused and will attract the worst sorts of corrupt parasites.... You make utopia.
>step 4: the state "withers away"
now that you have utopia and everyone is satisfied, your nightmare policestate that TOTALLY didn't turn out corrupt and abusive will naturally wither away due it being unnecessary
>step 5: true communism
nobody knows how to actually get here, but its TOTALLY gonna happen guys! real communism has NEVER BEEN TRIED!
you just gotta believe!

Communists are cultists with no idea how to make step 3 happen, so every orthodox attempt at communism always stops at step 2 and becomes a shitty fascist policestate.

Protestant communists, also known as fascists, think that the police state is part and parcel of utopia and embrace such a thing.

>>737143818
anon. everywhere is "capitalist"
every fucking socialist attempt was "capitalist" by their own fucking standards.
they were always just a bunch of retarded cultists being blindly led around by the same type of people.

>>737135382
They literally committed to breaking 10 laws within 10 years. They are the bad guys.

>>737143541
>bullying is ba-

>>737144123
nobody gives a fuck, sweeny-slave

>>737144123
>They literally committed to breaking 10 laws within 10 years
What does that even mean? And name a company that isn't constantly violating laws of some kind.

>>737143719
What's with this bored just sucking steam's dick? They done lot of harm to PC gaming.

>>737144229
It's called double standards

>>737143719
>They don't develop games, they hardly develop anything
>They tax way more money from other developers than they need for an already healthy operating income, literally taking away 30% of your money you pay for the RnD of your products
>We literally KNOW that Game just spends that money on luxurious lifestyle instead of paying devs, literally making him the greediest fucking CEO in the entire industry

And your entire reasoning is that they made a webshop 20 years ago that killed physical in PC, standarddized DRM, became a monopoly and now they infinitely deserve to own 1/3 of the PC industry's revenue for this one act and noone should call them out for being unproductive leeches who abuse their position

>it's probably the company that's consistently anti-greed and pro consumers in the market for the previous ten years
Lmao
They literally pioneered lootboxes, microtransactions, real money auction houses in gaming and tried to turn modding into a paid service TWICE and only failed because of immense backlash, with bethasda taking most of the blame in the eyes of retards despite Valve being an equal partner in this shit
Their multiplayer games are filled with 2000$ RMAH items that they keep taxing hundreds of $ from whenever they change owners, their whole objective with their failed card game was to generate artificially scarce digital items that they can keep taxing hundreds$ from whenever someone trades a rare card. No other popular TCG did this shit and its probably why they didnt fail

>>737136020
>Either Gabe will give in to greed
You're assuming he'd make more money making the company private than simply keeping it as-is

>>737144831
*public, my bad

>>737143905
>Muh everything is capitalism
I don't think you yourself realize what the fuck capitalism refers you and just see it as some rightoid dogwhistle
Capitalism is mass privatization of economy as opposed to state planning /regulations. There was never a state with complete lack of state regulations or private ownership the question is which does a state have more of.

2/3 of China's industry is state owned and their entire banking is state owned and they are still executing 5 year plans and are developing rapidly

The US privatized almost everything and it's the most fucking wasteful country on earth. They have 6 time the gdp per capita of china yet already perform worse in most human metrics than china, not even mentioning how unlike china they are raping and looting the global south for most of their gains, because their money hungry pedo billionaries leading it not only lack efficiency but morals too

>>737145123
>"waaahhhh I'm an offended communist"
yeah I don't care.
>"wahhh america is le evil"
yeah I don't care about retarded shitskin thirdworlders and your opinions

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>>737145198
great to bounce memes off of tho

>>737145307
its even funnier when they accidently reveal they are just some chink propagandist like that retard.
he is literally paid by his communist-capitalist shithole to sing their praises.

>>737143046
And yet Tim Sweeney took 8 years to implement a search function on his Steam killer.

>>737136020
I'll be in my late 40s/early 50s by the time gabe retires, I literally won't care about video games

>>737145198
>I don't care about retarded shitskin thirdworlders and your opinions
Is this the only cope righturds have whenever it is pointed out that you literally led by child rape island visiting pedos under whose leadership your moral shitholes systemically invade, loot and ruin countries then the little rape servant righturd sheeps complain about all those "shitholes" you created

Like you know yourself that you can't refute any of this shit. Fucking rats

>>737145649
>reeee america bad china numba one
yeah I don't care

>>737140861
>Okay, first pretend x is true
>Then pretend y is true
> then also pretend z, a, b, c, d, e, and f are true
>Then, you see, that would make Valve evil!
It's a whole game of "what if" where you make up imaginary situations that make you feel good and then pretend they are real

>>737143046
Sublime. This should be placed in the official Wikipedia.

>>737145494
Sweeney being an out of touch retard doesn't absolve Gaben from being a greedy manipulative piece of shit wasting 1/3 of the pc gaming industry's RnD budget on his luxury

>>737143587
To be fair a good amount of them are probably third worlders that are getting paid like shit
you get what you pay for

>>737136791
>if you do things that make your customers happy they'll let you be greedy

Whoa, did you figure that all out by yourself or did ChatGPT have to help you?

>>737145974
>wasting 1/3 of the pc gaming industry's RnD budget
Nigga that isn't how budgets work

>>737145974
It does.

>>737145778
>yeah I don't care
You will when the unsustainable US economy will crash under your lifetime
Why do you think your pedo lords are chimping out so much with all the invasions recently

>>737146194
Yeah no I STILL wont care about some stupid chink propaganda

I don't agree with valve's moderation team. Last month I uploaded 30 naked loli hentai images on my steam profile. Then a customer support rep came in and deleted 10 of the images.
WTF???? I can't even share loli hentai on steam now? Nazis. Communists.

>>737135125
you know they haven't released a game in like a decade right?

>>737135125
whatever they're doing it's preventing them from making games anymore. no tf3, no dota 3, no half life 3, no l4d 3, no portal 3, no cs3

it's fucking sad how they've completely given up on making games, and other studios should NOT emulate them lest they also stop making games

>>737135306
you literally get banned for doing this

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>>737141618
This is probably the dumbest sentence I’ve ever read on this website, and I’ve been here for 20 years.

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>>737135125
Imagine the smell at Hawaii when they go there

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scammy company that established skin gambling in gaming and became a monopoly that rakes in billions and never makes games
gets a free pass because they treat their few employees well.

>>737146040
>Nigga that isn't how budgets work
It is you retard
RnD budget is a loan dictated by the estimated profit/investment.

You retards never think about this shit for a second and just assume game devs just conjure money and the producers just pray on them. In reality, like in every industry, the producer is employing the devs, they pay for the whole project, because they estimate they will make a certain % profit on that with certain % risk.
If you take away 1/3 of the estimated profit then that means you need a bigger investment just to get the same estimated profit you originally wanted. The less profit you can make in a for-profit industry the less money will be spent on RnD in it in general

>>737147170
People that actually think that corporate finances work how they were taught in their shitty business class really are peak delusional.

>>737147091
mental illness
https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/people

>>737147170
If them taking 30% is bad for taking away from RnD would you agree consoles are bad too?
If you can afford that you are putting your games on consoles too and they also take 30% but unlike Steam it's a flat cut not scaling.

>>737140190
Under capitalism you are able to get more than a day's worth of water and calories for 1 hour of minimum wage work. Capitalism is so good at feeding people that even most homeless people are overweight.

Granted, if you're living in America, you're eating poison, but it's fine in most other developed capitalist countries

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>>737136278
>what a nice gaming company you got there goy

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>>737147559
>you are able to get more than a day's worth of water and calories for 1 hour of minimum wage work.

>>737144569
>became a monopoly
let's see you list their anti-trust practices, then. because from here it just sounds like you hate them because they are doing well.

>>737148001
Mr. Steinberg isn't getting his cut so it's a monopoly.

>>737135125
they were basically the first ones to take digital distribution of games seriously, mostly to get around having someone else publish their games.
they literally just print money being the middle man for 90% of pc gaming these days, and that's not even getting into the csgo skins and shit like that.

>>737139908
The shareholders need perpetual short term quarterly gains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>737144569
>you no long have to stand next to a sharting walmartian at walmart to buy your games
>devs no longer have to follow strict guidelines like putting console drm on their games(it's entirely optional on steam)
>one less amazon worker slaving away for your packages
>You don't have to give money to a soulless japanaese company charging 80 dollars for baby games and suing indie companies for using mounts in their games
Sounds good to me.

>>737135125
i'm terrified of corporate culture not getting better and instead Valve is an outlier that will never happen again.

>>737138376]
going public gives your company more access to money. eventually after gabe croaks they will get a CEO who doesn't really give a shit about the founder's vision for the company and takes it public for a quick paycheck.
gabe thinks being a private company that can do whatever it wants is preferable to having to deal with shareholder meddling. but that's just him.

>>737147873
Minimum wage in countries converted to USD:
>Australia: $17.84 p/h
>Canada: $13.40 p/h
>France: $12.40 p/h
>Germany: $15.80 p/h
>New Zealand: $15.00 p/h
>UK: $13.50 p/h

The USA has a federal minimum wage of $7.25 p/h but the average State minimum wage is $12 p/h. Most of the highly populated states have a minimum wage at or above $15 p/h.

>>737135125
Yeah well Epic gave 1000 employees permanent vacations. Checkmate, steamies.

>>737141540
Sounds like "you think you want it but you really don't". Democracy is a joke.

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>>737135125
>owns an insane amount of ships
>long trips in the sea
>trains his employees into island living
gabe knows something, I wouldnt be surprised he was the one who invented video game piracy

You cant fool me, that's jeet nation xitter

>>737135125
All they need to do is "not ruin Steam" and continue making the stable profits it brings in. Game sales, in the odd event they make one, is just basically for their own pride and relevance as developers.

>>737144569
>being this mad because steam is a successful service that doesn't rely on exclusivity and draconian drm to do well
>literally being mad about making games more open and runnable with phex and proton
Steam doesn't have mandatory drm like sony, nintendo, or xbox so if anything, they standardized not forcing devs lock down their game to run on a drm shitbox. thank god because most indie devs I enjoy games from wouldn't exist if sony or nintendo had a stranglehold on the industry.

>>737143541
Because they have no idea this is common practice for retailers and other storefronts. And because like the communist dipshits they are they think "once you have a certain amount of money you shouldn't make any more" but that should really be up to them to donate or give of their own free will, frankly. It's a belief held by the naive who think that money could somehow make it's way back to them personally.

>>737142504
It also matter about the user experience as well, when I mean first to do it I mean well. None of those platforms did it well enough before YouTube

>>737151634
>when I said first to do it, I DIDNT mean first to do it
yeah sure kid.

>>737138376
>They make SO MUCH MONEY being private there's LITERALLY no incentive in going public
the incentive is jewish subversion, like literally every american company that out of nowhere goes
>this product needs gay niggers in it right now
for absolutely no reason.

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>>737135125
I see Valve marketers have a new material to spam, they are playing the "treating employees """"well""""" card now which is easily debunked by remembering that they literally tried to lure a kid who leaked hl2 with fake job offering to USA so they could get him arrested with alphabet agents. They also leaked a fake valve employee manual making up shit about how you can do anything you do at valve and how well treated you are, conveniently after ex employees started criticizing valve for their toxic work environment that resembled a high school full of petty drama. Now they are doing this shit.

This is called /v/ - Viral Marketing board for a reason. Should have went to college for a better job or something saars.

>>737154121
>tried to lure a kid who leaked hl2 with fake job offering
So he wasn't an employee then?
> ex employees started criticizing valve for their toxic work environment
Weren't their "criticisms" largely that valve was too "white and male"?

>>737154121
Wow, sounds like a hellhole, I bet they have an incredibly high turnover rate, right?
Right?

>>737154835
>Weren't their "criticisms" largely that valve was too "white and male"?
No.

TL;DR Valve adopted a method of open office space environments where everyone was openly promoted to engage in clique behaviour and looking over each other's shoulder. Most of their projects pretty much died as they transformed into presentation pieces for fake work.

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>>737154835
>shills now defend valve for trying to abduct underages across countries for fucking leaking shitty video games demos
Not so smooth
Better remake this thread tomorrow while I am busy fucking your mom or something kek

>>737135125
EPIC employees are getting fired and this fat fuck doesn't have the decency to pay for their vacations in addition to his own people? He literally owes it to everyone!

Valve invented loot boxes but people still suck that shithole company off

>>737155276
Maplestory

>>737155157
Valve's muscle as in actual workers are contractors, third party partners like AKAMAI, literal free community works and of course devs/publishers who use steam to sell games. The little clique of actual official employees inside Valve are mostly shareholders at senior positions who fuck around with their pet projects and anyone outside that circle has to suck up to them to keep their jobs but even then your job is never safe there as valve has a history of firing devs/hardware people as well to cut costs.

>>737155430
it was real in my mind

>>737155148
>Commit a crime
>He was jus a lil boi he dindu nuffin!!!

>>737156267
You sound more deranged with every post
Keep it up

Please don't feed the attention whore

Gabe is a demigod and its hard to compete with a man chosen by god to have infinite power and do the right thing with it. Gabe is the god emperor of vidya and the satanic chaos faggots he makes quick work of them. Gabe fighting a battle us mortals could never comprehend

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>>737156536

>>737156536
TRVTHNVKE

>>737156357
>You shouldn't prosecute criminals because they're kids
One can only hope a 14 year old coalburner spawn of your cousin slashes your throat and walks free afterwards

>>737156968
obviously leaking a shitty game demo because valve is a lazy fuck who put "1111" as password in their network is same as slaughtering people. Here's your (You)

>>737157069
>I'm such a nigger that I can't stop myself from committing crime if I'm given the opportunity

>>737156536
Our god is dying anon.

Has anyone run proton on ARM successfully yet?

>>737158104
It's been less than a day and it's still a beta>>737157205

Steam has done more for game piracy and freedom to play free games than any other company in the last 25 years.
Piratechads get their games straight from steam cleanly ripped and packaged with no mental illness.

>>737135125
They don't do anything. They're riding the high from fanboys that liked some games they made 20 years ago and being the default option for buying games on PC. They don't actively make anything better, but they don't make things worse either. The storefront is just that, a storefront. If anything I think Steam needs a refresh it's starting to feel dated.

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>>737143046
>They pioneered every greedy monetization scheme in gaming
yeah on free games with items that don't affect gameplay in any capacity (literally only counter argument to this is tf2 item sets and those got removed). It's not their fault PUBLIC COMPANIES copied their strats on paid games or introduce an item economy without trading.
If you would rather trade the pro-consumer steam store focus of valve for a game churned out every 2-3 years you are legit 25 IQ.

>>737138040
Paid opposition post

>>737138597
It's literally the opposite. Walmart sells shelf space and charges vendors to stock/distribute allowing for selling product at manufacturer price. Valve takes a 30% of all sales, they don't fucking charge to show games in the store (nobody tell digital retailers this is an option). You don't know what you're talking about, walmart doesn't lose money through lack of sales, valve only makes money through sales.

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>>737156536
>

>>737135306
Amen. Censor YT channels names and thumbnails too.

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Remember when it was found out Valve shills actually do exist on this board and have moderation powers

>jeet nation

>>737155148
> TWENTY YEAR OLD steals files worth millions of dollars
>act surprised when this is against the law
>aqua poster
you are brown+stupid

>>737159380
>moot
who?

>>737136791
>calling their gacha games "generous"?
If most games give you enough free dingus to get twenty rolls on the slot machine in a month, and one game gives you enough for fifty rolls a month while giving you a guaranteed s tier mega dude guaranteed on your 100th roll, then that one game is objectively generous in relation to the rest.
"Generous" isn't just refusing to charge for anything.
It's how easily someone can comfortably play without giving up cash or more time than they want.

>>737140968
>they made games exclusive to Steam
You mean the couple games they developed themselves?
Shocker.
Next, you're gonna tell me Epic did the exact same thing and failed because they had inferior products.

>>737135125
They keep the profits in-house instead of paying scraps and sending everything else to leeching 'investors'.

How can I get a job at valve?

>>737160515
(((investors)))

>>737136020
>they'll be forced to
I don't imagine that ever being a problem. Until they get hit for a monopoly charge that sticks (which should never happen since they don't practice anti-competitive actions), they make so much money despite being private, and there's no shareholders to force them into chasing the money they'd get from going public.

>>737160515
Are you retarded? The don't keep all the profits in house. They do send them to shareholders. That is why Gabe, along with the other shareholders, are all stupidly rich and he can afford to buy a fleet of yachts.

>>737135382
Then why are they still allow gambling?

>>737160642
The shareholders are all people who work in the company. An incredibly antisemitic concept.

they made a couple okay fps games that gained a cult following, and they also have a monopoly on pc gaming so they can kinda just sit around and do nothing while they print infinite money with no competition

>>737139171
You get those perks if you're at a mega Corp and not the most bottom of the barrel. And I mean bottom of the barrel. At that point you likely aren't even employed and subcontracted to clean after the wages.

I'm at a smaller company but similar to that anon, I'm a regular software guy that is like 7 removed from the top and even I get most of those things.

>>737135125
>What does Valve do right
Obeys the law
Doesnt massively fuck over their customers
Makes a reliable, stable, non-political product that just works.
Doesnt sell out to investors and the Chinese.

>>737160692
Ackshully, I would say the idea of stock options, i.e. "Instead of paying you for your work we'll instead give you a piece of the company at a reduced price and for that to have any value you would need to work very hard.", is very semitic.

>>737161046
>Obeys the law
>Doesnt massively fuck over their customers
Do you people just live in a fantasy world?

Valve has found themselves in legal trouble multiple times. They received a fine from the courts specifically because they were trying to fuck over their customers in a way that is illegal. The only reasons refunds are a thing at all on Steam is because they were compelled to allow for it by court action.

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>>737135440
>stay private
This.
I dont know why companies willingly go public other than to quickly cash out and make their steaming wreck of a shitheap someone else's problem.
Like if your company is dominating a field and making massive profits why WOULDNT you stay private?
Like going public is objectively a bad idea at that point.

>>737161154
>Valve has found themselves in legal trouble multiple times.
Nintendo and a bunch of other jew companies taking them to court over "hmm well ackshually" =/= breaking the law.

They are still the only game platform that obeys the federal law stating all products must be returnable and refundable within 2 weeks of purchase.
Epic, Origin, Blizzard and the 400 other chinese launchers still dont do this.

>>737161160
>I dont know why companies willingly go public other than to quickly cash out and make their steaming wreck of a shitheap someone else's problem.
It's a way of raising a lot of capital for business expansion. The actual value of your company may be like $50 million but if you go public you might be able to convince people to hand over $200 million for 50% of ownership. And then you can fuck those people over later by diluting their stock. It's of massive benefit to go public if you don't really care about keeping the company as 100% yours and are happy with just a controlling share.

>>737158232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrpx7P9Y1zs

>>737161198
>Epic
Epic basically has the exact same refund system as Valve.

>>737149365
No it does not. Going public gives a company easier access to investment, but it also comes with even worse strings than private Investments. There is no reason for a company to ever go public unless they are failing (exit strategy for private investors) or trying to expand substantially into something that requires capital expenditure that makes their profit look very inadequate.

>>737161278
The problem is there's always faggots with agenda that willing to buy more shares to push their agenda, also even though you have controlling stakes, if these activist investors pooling up together and hold voting you can be ousted

>>737135125
Steam is a social network with an addictive algorithm, more than a store, that's why its users can't buy in standard stores, they lack the addictive dopamine.

They're still for profit, so they're not necessarily good. But they're not cartoonishly evil which is the standard for corporations so they look amazing in comparison, when really they're mostly just neutral and not retarded, chasing quarterly growth and squeezing customers for every possible penny while driving things into the dirt long term. If Valve was like any other company, somebody would've replaced Steam by now simply by being less shitty and greedy. Valve is still greedy but not nearly as bad as literally everything else

>>737141618
Walmart was a great company while the founder was still alive, as was Ford.

>>737140970
>>737136278
>>737143363
You fellas are naive. Sure the reasonable thing is to keep printing tons of money indefinitely, but there are tons of people who would rather print a bit more RIGHT NOW even if it destroys the machine quickly. Happens literally all the time, there are college classes and whole business philosophies about maximizing short term profit, squeezing out everything you can, then bailing on it before shit hits the fan and falls apart. Capitalism 101 baby

>>737135125
Eat the rich. No, there are no good "rich" all of them deserve to get shot on the streets.

>>737162246
>not retarded, chasing quarterly growth and squeezing customers for every possible penny while driving things into the dirt long term
This is the company that invented loot boxes, steam marketplace and paid mods that you're talking about here.

>Every Silicon Valley company that used to look fun to work at and had so many great perks has now done away with all of that
>And now you're expected to work more than 40 hours a week in order to stay employed at those companies
>Valve is the only software company left that cares about its employees
>And only because it's privately owned rather than a publicly traded company
Dodge v Ford Motor Company is one of the worst rulings in history

>>737162862
>Dodge v Ford Motor Company is one of the worst rulings in history
It's actually not.

What this case actually was was Ford decided they were not going to pay dividends they owed to shareholders and instead keep the money for themselves and use it for something that would not benefit the shareholders. The court ruled they can't do that.

This case is commonly misrepresented as a legal ruling that means company's have to fuck over everyone in order to maximize the profit for their shareholders. That is not what the ruling was at all. It was less "Your job is to maximize the wealth of your shareholders", which was already a given anyway, and more "You can't screw your shareholders."

>>737162667
Yeah, and somehow they're still less greedy and evil than the others. It's not a high bar.

>>737135125
>privately owned
>shitloads of money
>biggest market place on PC
>can basically do whatever the boss wants

>>737135440
Bingo, I worked for a company for years that went public while I was there.
It starts slow but the race to the bottom is an exponential curve.
>scale back on employee benefits/bonuses
>stop providing food in the kitchen
>swap out officer manager with years of experience in the roles he's managing with generic yes-man that blames staff when he can't do his job
>turnover rate starts to climb
>CEO only ever sees the stock value
>start cutting costs on new hires
>start outsourcing to cheaper locations
>shitty outsource labor hired with lower standards is dogshit, but because it's cheaper and their management is a bigger yes-man, complaints are ignored and shit gets worse
>there were days I'd come in and see phone numbers written down with 13 digits and addresses that may as well have been made up
>eventually the whole office gets cut and replaced with cheap retard labor because less taxes in another country
>quality of service tanks but because everything's so cheap the loss of revenue is deemed worth it

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>>737135125
Will they have the Sega Blue Sky?

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>the Valve's beach in question

>>737163562
Except not really.

It's just people tend to let Valve get away with things they will crucify other companies for.

For example, Valve has been allowing content creators to sell their content for their games for many years now with Valve taking a piece of the pie every time and nobody cared. EA did the same thing recently for The Sims 4 and people were fucking furious and considered this an incredibly egregious action. Why is it okay when Valve does it but the worst thing ever when EA does it?

>>737135125
Ask yourself "What would your customers like to see." Even better is literally asking your customers what they would like to see, and then doing it. Literally just give the people what they want, how is this a difficult lesson to learn?

>>737164057
>EA did the same thing recently for The Sims 4
>recently
>The Sims 4
People have been charging for Sims mods since The Sims 1 you fucking faggot

Of course anyone still giving EA money for anything, let alone THE SIMS, deserves to be shat on

>>737164057
You mean taking a cut of DLC sales?

>>737164057
>Black Mesa team makes Black Mesa
>Valve says "hey you guys are doing great, if you want you can use our official assets and sell the game on Steam if you're OK with us taking a cut"
>This is somehow bad

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>>737160670
can't you jeets even try proofreading?

>>737138376
You think any amount of money is ever enough?
But they could make SO SO MUCH MONEY (for a little while) if they go public!!1
You know some retard Exce will do it eventually

>>737135306
I don't because you're still posting them and basically you're a fucking faggot. Ban all xitter posters.

>>737135440
>be ubiquiti
>need a bit of cash
>go public
>keep 93% of the shares to yourself
Simple really.

>>737135125
Valve isnt a studio, its a store with barely any employees.

See it as a the top 5% of wallmart going on holiday well their indie devs do all the work.

>>737164246
Yes, but now EA has their own store for this shit that they take a cut from. Before then EA didn't get a cut.

>>737164260
>>737164372
I'm referring to shit like CS skins. Those are made by the community. They send them to Valve. Valve puts them in the game as random loot drops. Any sale of those between players Valve takes a cut from. It's glorified paid mods combined with loot crates. Two of greatest cancers to gaming and yet when Valve does it it's okay.

>>737164629
>Valve isnt a studio, its a store with barely any employees.
2/3 of the top played games on Steam are made by Valve.
Maybe just maybe you're a fucking retard. Kill yourself seriously.
>NOOOOOO I NEED NEW GAMES ALWAYS MAKE NEW GAMES REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Kill yourself.

>>737164057
Your post is so vague it could be about dozens of things, none of which are bad

>Youtuber makes a skin for Rust and the Rust devs sell the skin for 2 bucks
>Valve takes a 40cent cut for providing all of the software infrastructure necessary to make this happen
>THIS IS EVILLLL

vs

>The Sims 4 releases Pack #50 and charges 40 US Dollars
>it contains a small gameplay mod and two dozen custom furniture mods
>the pack also comes with an update that breaks 50% of mods
>Half of the "features" in the pack don't work
>The pack doesn't have any integration with other packs even when they obviously should
>Any updates, including bugfixes for the pack either have to be done by modders or will only be patched months or years later (and this patch will break other things)

It's okay when Valve does it because Valve provides other services and it they don't stop half the game from working when they do it

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Tim, why are you spending money on jeets for us to laugh at instead of simply improving epic until the service it offers is superior to steam?

>>737164730
It wasn't so vague that your example fits.
>they don't stop half the game from working when they do it
And you're a fool if you think anytime Valve does an update to any of their software they give a shit about whether or not they break mods or other non-sanctioned content by doing so.

>>737164927
I agree that paying money for in-game skins is cancerous and retarded. So I don't pay money for in-game skins.

Not exactly difficult.

>>737145453
>he is literally paid by his communist-capitalist shithole to sing their praises
Or a prisoner, you will be enlisted to the shill army if your a slave or a criminal.

>>737143541
Worked at a restaurant from its opening, and a year later I get put in charge of setting up the Uber Eats stuff. Owner wanted us in the "30%" charge category so I redid the entire menu with a 30% upcharge if it was through uber eats. Most days we got more of those orders than call ins, and we sold more king crab legs than ever.
i guess people with money are very lazy

>>737164667
haaa, six seven

>>737161315
>basically
So you're saying they don't actually have the exact same one

>>737165390
If you've played for less than 2 hours it's refund no questions asked.

>>737165135
I'm always amazed by how lazy some people can be.

I accidentally got my neighbors delivery the other day. He ordered delivery from a place just down the street. Literally a few minutes walk. And he paid a premium for someone to drive it to his front door. They must have loved him for that.

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>>737135125
They're not a publicly traded company for starters. They don't need to cater to retarded boomer shareholders that don't know a single fucking thing about videogames.

>>737135125
what happened to pirat_nation these past few weeks? it's like someone else took over the account. It feels very reddit now, even their posts feel more 'proffesional'.

>>737163164
Post nose.

>>737164823
It's probably unironically cheaper to gaslight and browbeat people than actually improve a service.

>>737135125
Valve
>A games focused company in which all R&D goes into making games more accessible and personally viable independent of hardware configuration. Including but not limited entirely local secure and non-secure runtime

Literally every other company
>shareholder interests (profit oriented trend chasing)
>disrespecting customers, in turn, persuading potential customers to veer away

>studios
lol. If Valve was dependent on games to keep the lights on they would have been forced to put out second rate shit decades ago.

>>737165904
That ruling in no way overturned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_judgment_rule

The bar for shareholders to sue is actually quite high. What happened in the case in question was they straight up said to the shareholder "We owe you dividends but we're not going to give them to you and instead use them for something for which there will be absolutely no benefit to you even in the long term." That was just fucking stupid.

>>737135125
>mandatory 2 weeks of extra work under the guise of "morale event"
absolutely shit, garbage company

>>737163164
>keep the money for themselves
no, they wanted to invest the money to pay more wages, reduce the cost of the products and expand the business. I don't know why you try to spin it into "evil goym were stealing money from the shareholders"

>>737166116
I asked you to post your nose.

>>737163164
>It was less "Your job is to maximize the wealth of your shareholders"
The ruling was literally "corporate directors must serve shareholder interests above and beyond all other stakeholders such as employees, customers or the wider community." The only misinterpretation going on is that the ruling somehow meant companies must increase shareholder dividends at all costs, which isn't the case. What it actually means is that shareholders can get rid of or overrule corporate directors if a majority deems that director isn't serving their interests. Their interests are just unfortunately "increase shareholder dividends at all costs."

It is theoretically possible that shareholders could permit directors to make good decisions, but in practice they're all greedy, stupid fucks who'll drive any good thing they get their claws on into the ground for short term profit. As long as that's the case, the Dodge Vs Ford ruling is De Facto "increase shareholder value above all other considerations" even if it's not De Jure.

>>737166751
>they wanted to invest the money to pay more wages, reduce the cost of the products and expand the business
That in of itself was not the problem. The problem was they straight up said to the shareholder "There will be no monetary benefit to this."

It's equivalent to your boss saying "Hey. So we decided we're going to take some of the income you earned and instead of giving it to you donate it to a charity of our choosing and you don't have a choice about that." You would rightly say "Fuck off" to that.

>>737167414
>The ruling was literally "corporate directors must serve shareholder interests above and beyond all other stakeholders such as employees, customers or the wider community."
See, the problem is you people think prior to this ruling it was the case companies could just fuck over their shareholders for the "greater good". That's never been a thing. There was always a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders even before this ruling. That that existed is why the ruling went this way in the first place.

>>737135125
Paid time off is communism.

>>737167818
>still no nose

>>737135125
He's the Henry Ford of thumb twiddling, of course he cares about his workers

>>737167818
>The problem was they straight up said to the shareholder
that was not the problem. they had a court hearing, where Ford clarified what the money was intended for and the judge straight up said "the primary interest of the company is to maximize profits for the shareholders"

>>737167818
>you people think prior to this ruling it was the case companies could just fuck over their shareholders for the "greater good".
Back before the ruling, serving the people's interests was a given and acceptable reason to cut back on dividends because people were more likely to plant trees they wouldn't live to see the shade of. The ruling declared it was open season for shareholders to fuck everything over. Making corporate directors into shareholders reinforced it.

That is why everything is shit now.

>>737167998
I don't know what the fuck he's trying. Ford himself wasn't doing it for any moral reasons, he just correctly noted that loyal well paid employees offered better long term benefits for everyone.
Enlightened self-interest was supposed to be the standard, not the exception. We've removed the enlightened part and rewarded people who act liked glorified scammers.

>>737135125
You simply cannot emulate it.
Valve has an iron grip on the PC gaming market for several key reasons.
First, they were in the right place at the right time. When PC gaming was considered dying due to piracy and developers shifting to consoles, Valve created Steam, the first successful digital storefront, and effectively saved PC gaming, much like Nintendo saved the console industry after the video game crash.
They also benefited from a lack of serious competition for over a decade, allowing them to slowly consolidate their position and become synonymous with PC gaming (some even call it a monopoly). Unlike Nintendo, who had to compete with really strong rivals such a Sega or Sony, Valve faced almost no competition during its formative years.
Their business model is another huge advantage. Unlike console makers or traditional game developers, Valve doesn’t need to release new hardware or games every few years. When your success depends on releasing new shit, there will be failures (Deck is just a side project). It’s a “do nothing, win” situation.
Most importantly, Valve played the long game and has maintained strong customer loyalty through consistent fair practices, great discounts, and most importantly, not going turbojew even while dominating the market. Being a private company helped; they never had to appease money hungry shareholders. This long-term reputation is extremely hard to match.
Today, competing with Steam is nearly impossible. Customers default to Valve due to prestige and habit. Exclusives backfire and make competitors look like the villains, while aggressive discounts (like Epic’s) aren’t sustainable long-term (because their shareholder want quick benefits). The only real competition comes from niche players like GOG, which offers something Valve doesn’t.
As long as Valve’s internal culture remains intact, their dominance looks unbreakable. The only way would be an inside job, but as long as Gabe is alive, this doesn’t look like it.

>>737168181
Ford wanted a monopoly on cars pretty much, that's not even debatable, the man was ruthless and not in any way a real philanthrope, but he was also playing the long term game and that served everyone's best interests, whereas shareholders now just pump and dump endlessly for short term profit. As long as they get theirs, they don't care about the long term.