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oy vey
LCD/LED
>>737141601?
CRT
>>737141742OP BTFO
>>737141601How do you compensate for dittering in this high resolution age without making it look like ass?
>>737141601That is a fucking scanned drawing by Tetsuya Nomura. It's not "le pixel art".
>>737141863AI, DLSS9Eventually every pixel will be auto-upscaled making OPs shit pic look like >>737142012
>>737141742You gaming on a 8 inch screen?
>>737142115What about older games? Filters really don't look good at all.
>>737142012Does that fact make the dithering go away?
You can't just overlay a shadow mask pattern on something and call it a crt, not all CRTs are the same nor are their input signals.
>>737142194I disagree with you there but AI isn't really a filter in the same sense as some reshade shader or whatever.
CRTs were fucking shit, blurry, and made obnoxious screeching noises.t. actually old enough to have used CRTs unlike all you CRTroons
>>737142154I don't game three inches from my monitor like I'm living in a bombed out hovel, generating electricity with a goat chasing lettuce on a treadmill. I own furniture.
>>737142363If they were blurry you were poor.
The modern FF7 ports smoothed out the avatars and character models for modern screens.
>>737141601how do you know your CRT scanlines line up with the original developers' vision? it could look vastly different than intended
>>737142363>and made obnoxious screeching noises.the fuck kind of crt did you have? I don't remember anything annoying from them, I kinda miss the noises they made turning on and stuff.
>>737142376That's too bad.
>>737141601>CRT vs LCD threads be like:
>>737141802
>>737142631It's no worse than the castlevania gif where there are different tile patterns and colors used.
>>737142012why is her nose all brown?
>>737142363>poorfag had a broken CRTSounds like a you issue.
>>737142394Nobody had $10k mastering displays, dipshit zoomer faggot.>>737142503You were either deaf or your family somehow kept getting new tvs before they developed the whine.
>>737141601That's a shader not a real crt
>>737142363they also shot out x-rays that would damage your eyes if you sat too closespergs that suck off crts are genuinely retarded
>>737142746I grew up with CRTs and literally never had one that made horrible screeching noises, what the fuck are you talking about retard
>>737141601The difference is marginal. Like going from 98 to 99. Yeah, it's technically better, but it's not going to make things like pic related. A good game will look good regardless if it's played on a crt or a flat screen. So don't sweat my friends, don't feel bad over shaders and stuff. But don't do the blurr shit to soften the pixels, now THAT is shit.
>>737142376
>>737142363>made obnoxious screeching noises.you weren't using a CRTyou were using DRUGS
>>737142356It's not AI either
>>737142154for tiny ass icons on a 480 display across the room it might as well be
>>737142631>>737142678See >>737142860, where it's not even the same image.
>>737141601I just finished gaming some Ninja Gaiden Black 2 on my 4K Oled at 120hz on my 5090 rig.A few hours ago I was playing Crazy Taxi 2 at 570i on my Pal CRT on my Dreamcast.Use the most appropiate display for the game.If I were an esports player I would probably use some small ultra high hz monitor for example.Imagine playing a modern game on an old low resolution display.Or playing an old game on a new high resolution display.It's idiotic, those games weren't made for such displays.
>>737142826>>737142914Why are you lying? This is not an unheard of issue, it's exceedingly common. Just look up "crt whine".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdI0WWBE9Cchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdI0WWBE9Cc
>>737143035Second link is supposed to behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA5UiLYWdbM
>>737142981Not really. The FF7 avatars are quite big on a decent TV.
>>73714236332 here, agree with everything but the noise. I might have blocked it out unleess you're talking about those non connected channels with like the green yellow pink cyan etc blocks across it. CRTs are massively overrated and serve little to no purpose in modern day.
>>737142827
>>737143035I hear nothing
>>737141601i dunno man, my old consoles on LCD look like the pic on the left with my scaler
i like the look crt have on retro games, but man i don't want have a crt take too much space at my place.
>>737142230there's no special dithering on the pic to unfold. this ain't a Sonic background
>>737143393hopefully you own a house one day
>>737141601shaderino
>>737143439play FF7
I've never missed old hardware, save for sometimes ergonomics and in general everything these days being made of chinesium. Nostalgiafaggots trying to convince me I'm a teenager for hating having to fight the sunlight on old gameboys without lit screens can eat my asshole.
>>737143473me too
I have a crt monitor with a DACI'm using an older pc right now, should I plug it in without the dac into the VGA port on my mobo?
>>737143035>CRTs screech at me because... youtubers say soah, the electricity allergy type
CRTs don't have VRR*, which means your options are:VSync On = Latency or Stuttering VSync Off = TearingOne schizo hardware hacking VRR into a single CRT doesn't mean they all have it
>chromatic aberration:|>chromatic aberration - old:O
Even modern games are designed at a native resolution of 480p with CRT effects necessary to preserve the intent, and you're distorting the game by running higher.
>>737143543this specific pic has no strategic dithering
>>737143915this game would look legit amazing on a HD CRT thoughever
>>737143543Logic says don't play emulated games at native and play PC ports when they're appropriate.
>>737143910I like CA in motion, but it ruins screenshots a lot of the time.
>>737143035That's a memory I didn't want to be resurfaced, goddamn.
imagine not loving scanlines
>>737144027I wouldn't want to give up 4k and HDR.
>>737144280i don't see any scanline, just a slot mask(which is fine by me and more fitting to 3D games anyway)
i wish I could starcraft 1 with a filter, I have never figured out how to do it
>>737144472I was messing around to see what works best
>>737144280i am retarded and i dont care
>>737144446experiencing CRT motion at HD res with a modern game would change your mind. resolution is not just spatial, but also temporal when half of your rendered pixels are smeared in motion.basically, an HD CRT might it might beat the amount of detail of your 4K screen rendered every second.
>>737144616i gotta load up some zone of the enders 2 at some point
>>737144694Are there any HD CRTS?
>>737144789there are very high resolution PC CRTs able to do 4K(interlaced) resolution at 60hz or just above full-HD(interlaced) at 120hz. the fact that it's interlaced is kinda irrelevant because of how CRTs draw fields at such framerates.some Wide screen TVs are 1080i
>>737145358and before anyone tells me that full-HD is only 1080 progressive, it will still render more pixels cleanly than your average 1080p LCD
>>737145358dang I was unaware, I knew there was like one pc monitor that had HDMI but I didnt think it went that far
>>737141601dlss vs native
>>737144789Crt computer monitors did 1024x768 and 1280x1024 easily which is comparable with 720p """"hd"""""
>>737144694Imagine being insane.
>>737145543the only real drawback aside from weight and square-foot depth is colors IMO, LCDs, especially modern have a way wider color gamut than CRTs but the way the contrast looks kinda makes up for it
>>737145687imagine being oblivious
>>737145543some late sony trinitrons also had hdmi iirc
>>737141601>>737142897>>737143538Why do none of these CRT comparisons ever equalize the brightness and contrast?
>>737142154your mom is
>>737145930>>737146205I might seriously try to track one down, I have the space, I appreciate being informedI'm sure its expensive but I was looking at OLEDs anyway so maybe I'll expand my search to include bigger CRTS too. I have a smaller CRT (and a normal 1440p 27 inch IPS for general use) I like a lot and use often already but the screen space is simply too small for some modern games. Monster Hunter Wilds looks really good on it for example but you just can't see what you need to
>>737142012...do you think pixel art isn't done on a base?
crt effects for fully 3d games you can just upscale is pure mental illness. no crt effects and sharp pixels for 2d games is also mental illness.
>>737146583find a way to try first, just to be sure you like it
>>737146628depending on the jump in resolution during upscale, a subtle slot mask might help a 3D game tho tho. but yeah, scanlines are overkill for 3D games
I didn't get a flat screen until 2014 when I finally moved out of my parents house and I swear none of my crts ever looked like the shit filterfags pretend it did. you couldn't see pixels or scan lines unless you were sitting way too close to the tv, and crt computer monitors looked better than modern screens in every way except size.
>>737141601Why did square create this scenes for her?
>>737148832>why did the square redeem the scenes for hers muchly good?Good morning, sir. Aerith is dead.
>>737141601CRTfags only like CRT because it hides the fugly-ass art of their crusty ancient games.
>>737142012Damn, and I thought Xenoblade 1 Wii's characters were fucking ugly.
>>737148752i had a cheap CRT TV for a while that had a visible grid mask even at 2 or 3 meter distance but the scanlines weren't visible. My trinitron had some visible vertical grid lines up close but nothing at normal range either.PVMs have visible lines but they are not for consumer use anyway as their lines are very defined on purpose to single out picture faults... CRT filters for scalers and emulators are supposed to behave the same way but people use intense parameters because they don't get the point of such filters to begin with, which is to make pixels patterns kinda blend without becoming outright blurry
>>737148832to make my dick hard
>>737148832Why are you so stupid? Are your parents stupid?
>>737142826>>737142503You can only hear it when you are young, older people don't hear the high pitched noise
>>737141735"classic" mode in the remaster is deliberately made to look bad so you'd switch over to the "resurrected" artstyle.
>>737150253yep same as starcraft 1. The mouse also doesn't line up correctly.
>>737148832Ff7 is a gritty game, she originally had to work like this to survive in the slums
>>737150520Aerith is dead, btw.
>>737149205Turn your monitor on.
>>737150520>>737148832I'm not surprised they took it out with it only being in some cut content mod to put it back in. It honestly would've been too much had they made Tifa have to sell her body to survive in the slums.
>>737151771The whole plotline is that she's undercover as a whore to get close to Don Corneo. The rumors existing doesn't mean they are actually true.
>>737141742You're essentially displaying icons at this point, from such a distance detail is difficult to even see. The game was created to be played on a CRT television.
>>737144074That looks so fucking bad, goddamn
>>737153290Your mom looks so fucking bad.
>>737151771It would, but it would have made the struggle of surviving in the slums as a young woman without a family more real.They clearly considered it until late in development since the scenes are still in the files. Probably a last minute cut.
>>737141601I play all my modern games on a CRT too. Whats your point?
>smear vaseline on my screen>every game now looks better because I can imagine what it looks like instead
>>737151771She's shoved into ff7 universe as not anything else but an obscene joke material originally, >>737009191because she's literally created as a secondhand fap material out of Nomura's own nasty fap material(s)https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/720119167/#720158848https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/711964703/#711966165he jizzed over since 1993(=97-4).>https://arch-img.b4k.dev/v/1748801771251.jpg>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G3h3Ro8XMAA-i3X.jpg>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2-w9IcbwAQSk7d.png>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2-wnAWbUAA7YpA.jpg>originally Tifa has a "bunny" job in "Seventh Heaven" the brothel cuz she's literally a cheap knockoff from a 1993 eroge called CanCan Bunny/きゃんきゃんバニー.That also explains why the name "Seventh Heaven" sounds more like a whorehouse than a bar.>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/734643593/#734672656
>>737142807>they also shot out x-rays that would damage your eyes if you sat too closeNo they don't.>>737142363Headphones solve this but also I can't hear it anymore so it doesn't matter to me.>>737146490Because the shaders by necessity will darken the image. You don't equalize it by raising brightness and contrast you begin with a HDR display that can output a really bright image. No screenshot of that will convey how good the shader looks on your HDR display.>>737143639A good dac introduces less lag than using a VGA card as your output and a modern GPU for rendering. As long as your DAC is decent and is sending the frames with less than a second of lag you are chasing ghosts. But since you are on an older PC you should do it because why not? If you aren't rendering on another card you might as well shave off the 8ms or whatever the DAC is introducing.With DACs the lag is generally introduced when scaling is involved and a VGA adapter doesn't need to do that since it's just converting the digital signal into analogue without any resolution changes.>>737154548These pictures make me sad. But at least you're playing video games even if you're doing it wrong.
>>737148832Chat is this true?
How many remasters have been utterly ruined because the new shitty devs didn't realise old games were played on a CRT screen?It's like the problem with remakes and remasters is that the frame of reference is on the old games, whereas the old games frame of reference was the real world and trying to make whatever technology + artistic style resemble that and I don't necessarily mean making something photorealistic, but still making something that seems real. New games feel less real despite more photorealistic graphics and I can't quite put my finger on why.
>>737141601>>737141742Yo niggas really don't understand how CRT works
>>737141601
>>737158229Yes, nothing is sacred to SE because they are sick bastards
>>737141601Legitimately, though, for a while I thought I must have had insane nostalgia goggles because I did NOT remember the old video games looking as fucking terrible as they did on emulators. Like, I remembered them being a bit more dark and blurry, but not these garish blockfests. And then I saw the games being played on CRT televisions and it all kind of clicked.It's not something that be fixed by just overlaying a grid pattern on a modern screen either. CRT screens treat lighting fundamentally different to how LCD/LED screens do. It really is the definitive way to play old games.
>>737160083The pokemon guys are lolicons and that's even worse
>>737141601Thank God for CRT shaders.
>>737160281They're yurichads.
Mid life crisis thread. Pathetic.
>>737141863You just accept it.If you don't like how 30 year old games look, then don't play 30 year old games.
>>737141601Currently doing a playthrough of DQ3 on the SNES, having a bretty good time.I swap my save file back and forth from my Mister to my SNES depending on which room I want to be in. This is on the SNES.
>>737162242And this is the MISTER.Side by side, it definitely looks like I'm running the screen over saturated and too bright, but it looks good enough in person that I don'r mind if it's totally "accurate"
>>737160152>blow up image to 8x the resolution it was produced at>put it on a screen 3x as big as any tv you would have had in the 90s>sit with your face 4x closer than you would have if you were sitting on a couch in a living room>"wow old games didn't look this bad I need a meme filter to fix it"play with the game windowed so the window is around 22" across and move your chair back at least 6" from the screen and you will barely be able to notice the difference.
>>737161394You don't know what a midlife crisis is.
>>737142363I'm 45.I still use one daily, a consumer TV.They're nice and sharp if you use RGB, how god intended. (mine's actually component, running a PC via CRT Emudriver but it's visually identical to RGB SCART from a real console).
>>737142746Svideo and RGB were available on consumer sets in the 1990s you dick head.Even the sega master system output RGB and that came out in 1986 in the west.In europe, RGB scart cables came standard with their systems, in the box.
>>737162368Except the games look better on CRT monitors even close up.Also, the idea that when I was a kid, I was looking at a tiny screen from a mile away is just wrong. I would often get close to the screen, even if that meant sitting on the floor.
>>737143250They have zero motion blur, making them perfect for video games.They are also just better at displaying low res games.
>>737162375I'm looking at it right now.
>>737161394>people enjoying video games and trying to discuss them with like minded individuals = midlife crisisUnreal.
>>737162368>Its just a smaller screen, bro
>>737144616>last ravenThe game is the filter. I really enjoy it even with the weird difficulty curve.
>>737143035Did America have shit CRTs? Never experienced screeching noises and weird flashing in my life and LCDs only became common when I was in my 20s
>>737162826I don't see any scan lines or pixels in those images
>>737162581A midlife crisis is the feeling that you have lived half of your life without having actually lived it. It's hitting 40 and realizing that you only have half of your life left (if you're lucky) and maybe a decade of anything that could be remotely regarded as "youth." People experiencing a midlife crisis are obsessed with squeezing out as much youth as they have left with things like sports cars, clubbing, vacations, doing deliberately more "adventurous" things, etc. In essence, they try their damnedest to be 20 again while also ticking as much as they can off their bucket list. It has nothing to do with revisiting shit from your childhood. The closest a midlife crisis person would do in that regard is mistake something from THEIR youth with what the CURRENT youth are doing. The classic example of this is Boomers buying Harley-Davidsons because they were the symbols of youthful rebellion in the 50s, 60s, and 70s... decades after the actual youth had abandoned them in the 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s, etc.
>>737162958That's because it's not a super closeup.
you missed on the train and now you are crying like a bitch
>>737142363Top shelf CRTs were and still are quite good but almost everyone who owned CRTs back then they were common had ones that were shittier than even budget LCDs. So discussion about displays inevitably gets polluted by hobbyist midwits with old PVMs that cost more than a car when they were new.
>>737163190Trinitron was a consumer level tv and were in millions of living rooms since the 80s.
>>737162631This thread is a bunch of 40+ year olds clinging to memories of their ancient displays and parading them around as peak technology.
>>737163454I really hate 44 year old zoomers the most.
>>737163454you missed everything good
>>737163176yeah which is what I was saying. you couldn't actually see the shit filterfags swear you could if you were sitting the correct distance from the screen. those pictures look like they were taken in a dark room too so even the bloom wouldn't have been as noticeable in real life use.
>>737163747Sure. A lot of the bloom is just an effect of the camera recording. But I think you would agree that the CRT handles colors, lighting and shadows differently than HD.Also, if you ever see it in person or just a YouTube video of someone playing an old console game on a CRT, there's a kind of blurring and blending effect that kind of smooths out a lot of the garish angles and blocky-ness that you get playing it on a modern screen.I'm not saying that CRTs are better in all cases. They're objectively a worse technology. They're just a worse technology that I think most old games were designed around. It's kind of like how mouse aiming in old Doom-clone games often obliterates a bunch of the 2.5D effects.
>>737164220the point is that shitty pixel filters don't actually make games look like how they did on a crt.
Why are CRT fags so booty blasted. Nobody is taking your CRT away.
>>737164296This are real scenes about Tifa's original role, but were cut right before release. Since it was so late into development they had no time to remove them from the game files.https://youtu.be/H-Xpf_hn8g4?si=mOsktbssPcnpcVIe
>>737162826>taking a photo of a screen>v>printscreenRetard.
>>737164879I just wish we could get that same effect on PC. Scanlines don't cut it.
>>737164930To explain for 10iq if you want a direct comparison of CRT shit with modern screens you need to take a photo of the modern screens too.
>>737164973it's still not a real comparison because anyone that's ever tried to take a picture of a crt knows the photo never looks like what you actually see
>>737141601Right looks better, plus it doesn't require me to have a 200lb monstrosity on my table worthless for anything more modern than a PS2, therefore, I pick right.
>>737141601A CRT doesn't just create new pixels like that
>>737153290Yes it stays true to the original.
>>737142154Gaming 3 feet away from an 14” SD television, may as well. You Zoomies don’t know how good you have it. Our aesthetics may have been superior, but I would’ve shat my pants if I had my curved 35” 1440p ultrawide OLED 25 years ago. The fact I can enjoy games and movies with a sunlit room is proof of progress.
>>737164296>Illiterate subhuman doesn't know because no one in the shithole where he lives ever told him. >>737157985
>>737144027Currently playing on a 32 inch widescreen Sony Wega. Can confirm, shit looks immaculate. Currently running it at 1080i off a 5080.
>>737143915Why are people so hostile to the concept that old video games were designed around old technology?No, obviously not everything looks better on CRT. It's an objectively worse technology. But it's a technology that the games of its day were designed around and they don't look right on new technology.
>>737142729rimjobs do that to you
>>737166125The one shown in the video.
>>737164296It’s the same text in the original Japanese version. If you’re a purityfag, then Final Fantasy is not for you. Aerith only thinks about her dead lover. Yuna canonically kisses another man, and Rinoa literally has an ex-boyfriend lol.
>>737142012
>>737153251Yeah, didn't your parents tell you to not sit close to the screen? They're so friggin bright
Believe it or not, old CRT televisions still have their potential, especially for older content, like video games, old animes, classic cartoons or classic TV shows. Interestingly, I've watched several shows from the 70s, 80s, and 90s in their original 480p resolution, and they look terrible on modern flat-screen monitors. The colors are dull, the blacks appear gray, and the image is blurry. But when you play the same content on a CRT TV, the picture is vastly improved. The colors are vibrant, the darks are truly black, and watching the show that way is a much more enjoyable experience.
>>737167015Nojimbo was trying (and failed) to make ZAX/ZaaaaaACK (hurriedly created after Oct96, recycled from Cloud's early design) look less a hastily & abruptly inserted bland plotdevice merely for Cloud's backstory, by making some "connection" between him and the main heroine and that's all.
>>737141601I'll admit it: CRT does look better when playing through a magnifying glass.The real reason CRT's look better is the superior black levels, flat screens did catch up somewhat but developers are still deathly afraid of having pure black anywhere which pisses me off.
>>737153251It's like 50 pixels wide. That IS an icon, not full screen art.It's particularly absurd that >>737141601 blows the CRT up to the point where you can easily see the subpixels, but doesn't do the same for LCD.
>>737146609Calling that pixel art is like saying every image on any digital device is pixel art because it is made up of pixels
>>737144280>>737144280That game was 480i and would not have visible scanlines, scanlines are for games that ran at 240p
>>737165726Nope, no model or texture in the game was ever designed to be displayed at that resolution. It misrepresents the original artist's intent.
>>737158157>No they don't.i am a radiographer. they crts function in a similar fashion to x-ray tubes. they emit x-raysyou can also just fucking google it, instead of telling everyone that you're retarded
I don't know what OP is supposed to convey. At full pic size the left looks like a mess while the right is pixelated. At thumbnail size the left looks off colour and like looking through a screen door, while right is still pixelated but conveys the image much better.
So are there any actual good pixel filters?
>>737170761While is true that CRT do emit X-Rays, the radiation that TVs made from the 1980's and on wards is negligible, since the glass is treated with lead and other anti radiation materials, this is by mandate by the FDA. Now old ass CRT TV's made before the 1960's doesn't have these kind of protections, so yeah using an old ass TV made before 1970 has the risk of X-Ray poisoning. But modern CRTs not, stop fear-mongering.
>>737171618>glass is treated with lead and other anti radiation materialsthe lead sheets i use for my film shots are far thicker than crt glassthe fda also doesn't know shit about radiation. they get all of their information from the nrc
>>737141601YUCK! OLD TIFA LOOKS LIKE A W*ESTERN WHORE. THANK GOD FOR THE REMAKE
>>737172794And nuTifa's gookface is literally modeled after a genuine whore who did IRL 14yo pedo STUFF(s) back in 1996.>That tabloid >>737009191 was making fun of HD Tifa's face got modeled after a talentless hoe who did illegal IRL 14yo STUFF(s) back in 1996 ( https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/711964703/#711966165 ,while she's already quite "famous" in certain corner even before that one.>, btw she sucks cocks now https://files.catbox.moe/u6dput.mp4 )>いますぐウチ(一人称)も大改造
>>737172701Still the radiation coming from a CRT is minuscule, you're quite disingenuous comparing medical X-Ray machinery to a conventional CRT TV. Radiation Annual Exposure: If anyone were exposed to 0.19 Sv/h constantly for an entire year, it would result in approximately 1.66 mSv (millisieverts) per year, which is well within normal, safe limits (the global average is 2-3 mSv/year). By the way this info is from https://www.admnucleartechnologies.com.au/blog/what-safe-level-radiation-exposure
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>>737171213eh, the problem with CRT filters on a flatscreen is that they work by blocking out like half the light of the collective pixels, so the picture looks a lot dimmer than it should. And that doesn't solve the motion clarity issue, but you could use BFI, but that once again halves the overal brightness of the image if it's replaced by a black screen every half-frame. So now the picture is like 25% as bright overall as it is without the filter.
>>737141601>blurring things makes them blurredWhat's your point?
>>7371426042/3s
if you fuck your eyes up everything looks like a crt
>>737148832really makes you think...
