This is going to kill gaming.
>>737142714pedo ahh looking unc
I don't care about this kiwitranny co-opted shit I want more game dungeon
>>737142714>This is going to kill gaming.
>>737142714it says "stop killing games" right there you retard.
>>737142762I'm afraid there aren't any urban youths where I live.How does one pronounce 'ahh?'Is it a descending or flat sound like a sort of 'err...' to give the impression you don't know what you're trying to say or a rising one, like a little scream? I like this idea, of one having to punctuate their speech with cries for help.Does it perhaps accentuate the previous word and attach to it, like 'pedo-aah!'I know you're just pretending to be a 'zoomer' on 4channel for comedic purposes, but I would be pleased if you would address this query.
>>737142714
>>737142714Kill yourself Jason
>another bait threadwhy don't you ubisoft CEOs save some money on jeet shill farms and go lobby the actual bureaucrats deciding on this instead
>>737142714DO NOT REDEEEM
>>737142714Good
>>737143335It’s a censorship for “ass” the same way “unalive” is for kill, so it’s a short sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB17W12LtoUVIDEO MAKER, AHEAD OF HIS TIMEINCREDIBLY MOLDY GENIUS, MACHINIMA MASTERMINDBUT NOW HE'S LAWYERED UP AND FIGHTING CRIMEOUR POLICY HERO WHO KILLS ALWAYS-ONLINE'CAUSE FREEMAN'S MINDFEELS GOOD TO PLAY VIDYA THAT'S MINE'CAUSE FREEMAN'S MINDOH, 'CAUSE FREEMAN'S MINDCORPOSLURPER THEY BETTER SHILL AND WHINEMOLDMAN AND THE GERMAN KATZNER ARE WORKING OVERDRIVETHAT BALDING HEADIN PARLIAMENT IT SHINESCAUSE HE'S A HEROOUR POLICY HEROOUR POLICY HERO WHO KILLS ALWAYS-ONLINE'CAUSE FREEMAN'S MINDFEELS GOOD TO PLAY VIDYA THAT'S MINEFROM FREEMAN'S MINDOH, 'CAUSE FREEMAN'S MIND'CAUSE FREEMAN'S MINDOH, IT FEELS GOOD TO PLAY VIDYA THAT'S MINEFROM FREEMAN'S MINDSAY IT WITH ME NOW'CAUSE FREEMAN'S MINDFEELS GOOD TO PLAY VIDYA THAT'S MINE'CAUSE FREEMAN'S MIND (IT FEELS GOOD TO PLAY VIDYA THAT'S MINE)FREEMAN'S MINDOUR POLICY HERO WHO KILLS ALWAYS-ONLINE'CAUSE FREEMAN'S MINDFREEMAN'S MIND
>>737143680Oh, I wouldn't have imagined that.Does it only appear in writing or do zoomers say it in person like 'ah.'Why does 'ass' require censorship in the first place? Does it aversely affect your Youtube Shorts algorithm or something?
>>737143680sounds retarded
ban one thing and something more horrible will take it's place. thinking it will get better during late stage capitalism is wishful thinking.
>>737144101They do say it in person. It does sound retarded. It's mostly the youngest zoomers and gen alpha though. Oldest gen Z are the most misunderstood gen. They get lumped in with trends that are much much younger than them. Old gen Z are already in their 30s or close to. It's not the 25-33 gen Z kids saying shit like this. They also aren't tate heads or clavicular stans. They get lumped in with the behaviors and trends of gen alpha.t.33 baby millennial
>>737144529Touch grass nigga
>>737144608i touch ur mum instead
>>737144645Yeah can your ass got no game.
>>737144101>Why does 'ass' require censorship in the first place? Does it aversely affect your Youtube Shorts algorithm or something?Exactly that. It started out of necessity, and because of it's widespread use in video culture it spread into real life.
>>737142714We need to kill gaming to save gaming unironically. Thank you moldman.
>>737142714>SKG niggers are unable to come to terms with the fact that they could simply chose not to pay for Triple-A GaaS slop.Skill issue.
>>737142714based
>>737142714It's just going to make publishers find new ways to filch their customers, but it's about time for a shake up.
>>737144598>>737144719Fascinating.I've learned a lot about zoomers. I shouldn't like to meet one.
>>737143693kino
>>737142714(And that's a good thing)
>>737144757>retarded cat avatarfag didn't have enough of doing it during the whole of EU daytime so he has to do it for the whole of NA daytime tooLiteral humiliation ritual.
STARTKILLINGGAMES
An industry that only makes always-online trash for retards is one I actively want killed.
>>737142714Games existed just fine as Japan + USA
>>737142762but enough about your employer shilloid
>>737144757>these problems don't affect me therefore the issue does not exist
>>737142714it's already dead though. I haven't bought anything but indie games in years.
>>737145391>replying to the toxotransmongoloidanon, please
>>737145391>SKG fags when someone reminds them that they could simply not buy GaaS products.
>>737142714Good.
>lost all my new Japanese twitter follows when they learned about SKG and they saw me tweeting support for it
>GaaS fags when someone reminds them that they could simply not buy planned obsolesence
>>737145654Good. Japan will save us from the industry collapsse will inevitably cause.
>>737144757>Just dont pay for it>nigger ignoring how every company in the entire world just keeps pushing for shit to get worse and its only laws and regulation thats stopping them from giving you cancer
>>737145654Japs and their sycophantic worship of corporations puts even the most zogged of mutts to shame. I really don’t get it.
>>737145654They will thank you when their companies actually start rolling out the plans because they believe the company is always correct anyway.
>>737145741>>737145572Do you have an actual argument that isn't just "ignore the problem"
>just don't buy the food with poison in it, why do you need the government to regulate it
>>737145741Yet I think GaaS games way better than standard single player anymore. They often don't push faggots and trannies, and often have skippable stories. They know why you're there and let you grind and meta game.
>>737145861If it outsells normal food, and 99% of consumers don't mind it, then what's the problem?
>>737145784Somethingsomething the companies respect author copyright (until they don't, like with Kojima)
>>737142714No, it's going to stop killing gaming.
>>737145921>They often don't push faggots and trannies
>>737142714He saved Gaming
>>737145924goycattle brain>what's the problemI mean the fact that you even have to ask means you can never reach a point where you understand what the problem is. You're quite literally too stupid. I know people like you exist, but I didn't think they could figure out how to post on 4chan.
>>737145990sure, Westerners are obviously faggots themselves, but Easterners aren't doing that.
>SKG threads during europoor timezones>unanimous support, some remarks about ross' appearance but that's about it>SKG threads during american timezones>this will kill gaming, this initiative is communist, i am on the company's side yadda yaddahuh
>>737145774Video games are not essential goods or services. You can just not play them if they suck. You can play good games instead, or do something else with your free time.SKG is an exercise in futility because gamers WANT exploitative products made to gyp them and turn them into dopamine addicts. They are the lemmings of consumerism. They yearn for the slop.
>>737145924>99% of consumers don't mind1% of 450 million people is a lot of people who don't want poison in their food
>>737142714Once the EU gets more hands on with gaming they are going to do to American Big Publishers what they've done to Big Tech. Fine it. Then create restriction. Fine it more. Fine it again. Ask for terms of service changes that literally led to wokeshit. Then fine them anyway. Ask them to remove content that is not in compliance like the millions of search results they removed from Google.American millennials have a real "grass is greener" complex with the EU. They think everything is a problem due to enrichment, so they start looking to big government to regulate, and this is also why commiefornia did a complete 180 from its original Gay Rights era to the socially radicalized and stringent place it is today.All because of "the Brussels effect".
>>737146064it's fine. it only affects EU fags. There's no reason for you to care and if it means less trash coming from EU even better.
>>737146025>Heh, I just play asian gachaslop!>*asian company rugpulls you with retarded sunsetting*>FUCK MY MONEEEEEEEEEEEEY, WHAT ABOUT MY PNG WAIFU!?!!?The EU has got you covered, retard.
>>737146064Japanese culture website, tourist. Take your ass back to krautchan or whatever you euros have if you don't like it.
>>737146119I often move on before the game sunsets, and I already got what I wanted out of it. you're literally doing nothing, and I'm not in the EU.
>>737145572What about games tied to online servers that aren't GaaS? Those exist.
>>737144529I'M THE KING OF WISHFUL THINKING
>>737146072Alcohol and tobacco are not essential goods or services. But we have consumer protection laws in place to limit the sale and consumption of these regardless.
>>737143335It's "Ahh! Real monsters"
>>737142714good
>>737146072So the problem shouldn't be addressed...because it causes problems so well?
>>737145572The "problem" is one of entitlement from communist populism. European citizens include creatives, and the intellectual property rights of these citizens shall not be trampled upon by hordes of mindless e-celeb worshippers.>>737146248Depends on what agreements were made at purchase.>>737145784None of this is a problem for people who's idea of gaming doesn't start with Fortnite and end at Marvel Rivals. KYS GaaS consoomer.
>>737145741You fail to grasp the true game being playedI can not buy planned obsolescenceI can also destroy the jew's current schemeI can do bothAnd you can only watch
>>737146272Drunks and smokers are unironically less retarded than live service gamers.
>>737146064>people from the corporate-brainwash capital of the world behave like corporate-brainwashed cattlehow unexpected
>>737146408What IP rights would be infringed upon by having offline patches or self-hosted servers?
>>737145854See >>737146408
>>737145572>just don't buy the chocolate with the vomit in itI'm not going to check every chocolate bar for vomit. It should be illegal to put vomit in chocolate, or feces in beef, or chlorine in chicken, or whatever else your kind is expected to ignore.
>>737146064Shills, trolls and bots, quite simply
>>737142714>the whole petition is about discussing that line that says "we can wipe your entire digital library whenever we want" I don't get why you would be against this desu
>>737144598If you're a zoomer and you don't embrace memes like 67 and no cap you're a race traitor.
>>737142714im sorry to be that guy but I just can't unsee it.
>>737146429>Heh, you can only wa-FUUUUUUUUUUUCK STOP FORCING MY DEV TO HAVE LOCAL SERVER HOSTING!! REEEEEEEEEE
>>737146537...so you don't. gotcha. LOL
Way to go Ross! Shut down those GaaS games!
>>737146439Irrelevant. The point is that we have laws in place to limit exposure to addictive and damaging substances. The whole >just don't buy/play itargument is a bit of a stretch when these games are quite literally designed with the help of psychologists to ensure it has the maximum appeal to people with weak self control to guarantee they get addicted to the dopamine it provides. I suppose you could argue we shouldnt have any of this, and we should let weak people simply destroy and ruin themselves and those around them, but society has decided that we should be compassionate and help prop up those who are struggling, so as long as that's the case things like addictive video games are simply another venue that requires regulation. Since clearly the companies themselves are not going to do it and will happily exploit the human condition.
>>737146408>retarded cat avatarfag still going after 24/7 of humiliation and non-arguments
>>737146537
>>737146491>>737146820The right to benefit from ones own creation could be harmed, by having people of lower caste providing a service, in a time where one may have decided to stop providing access to their work.Should a creator decide to "come out of retirement" so to say, or sell their IP to someone else later, then the ability to capitalize on said IP could be diminished by others having provided it, in the mean time.>>737146596>I'm not going to check every chocolate bar for vomit.You won't have to, just simply stop buying chocolate that states that it contains vomit.
>>737146917>lower casteHELLO SIR DO NOT DO THE NEEDFUL DO NOT REDEEM -10000 izzat for letting the mask slip jeet
>>737146783it's a babel media shitjeet employee. ignore
>>737146917>I HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPLOIT PEOPLE>lower caste (subtly admitting indianism)KEK get fucked retard, the EU will dogwalk your entire """industry"""
>>737146691Are you retarded or illiterate
>it was literally a jeet all alongcan't make this shit up
>>737143335>How does one pronounce 'ahh?Ds1 pain noise
>lower caste
>>737146820Communism doesn’t work.
>>737144757Why don't you just le stop caring about others caring?
>>737146959lmaooo gottem. too funny
i mean, capitalism IS giving way to feudalism, but jesus christ anon
>>737143693NO YOU FOOL, NOW IT'S ILLEGIBLE FOR THE MUSICAL!
>>737146917>Should a creator decide to "come out of retirement" so to say, or sell their IP to someone else later, then the ability to capitalize on said IP could be diminished by others having provided it, in the mean time.And how exactly is this ability diminished? Why aren't games that have been offline since day 1 not affected by such situations?
>>737147031You're not entitled to the IP of EU creatives. Sorry.If you bought limited license to access a service, you didn't buy the the IP of said underlying service.
>he's still postingjust take the L and get the fuck outta here. embarassing
>>737147163>And how exactly is this ability diminished?Imagine if you will, a boost of free marketing and nostalgia based hype. Simple as.
>>737147207>you bought (shit that was already ruled as a product by EU precedent)Try again saar KEK
The weirdest thing about people who tell others not to care about something is that they always keep posting insisting that others should not care.But it looks to me like they themselves care plenty.
>>737146917>saving games fucks over IP holders
>>737146917>The right to benefit from one's own creationsThese people are cartoonishly stupid it's entertaining.
>>737147328How does a dead game that doesn't have an active community procure a larger boost of marketing and hype than one that does?
>>737146820All the arguments I see generally boil down to "It will hinder the intellectual properties because someone else is able to do with it as they please," but like, shit like offline modes aren't even considered. Not a server system, not a rehost, anything like that. These people just fuckin go, "Well the rights holder says you no longer should play the game, so therefore you need to bend the knee." It's pure absolutes and bad faith arguments because far too many folks instantly take the side of the "lords" because they think they'll come out rewarded for their fervor.
>anti sgk in shambles>avatarfag reduced to "b-but just don't buy gaas!">corpofags seethingwhat a wonderful day>mfw when we won
>>737147573>Commie seethes at the notion that he's not entitled to the work of others in every aspect of his life.ywnbaw>>737147587Notice, if you will, my application of the word "nostalgia".
>>737146917>lower castelol
>>737147730So you're saying people wouldn't have nostalgia for an old but active dead game?Why would a dead game still be active if people weren't nostalgic for it?
>>737146685face blindness is a sign of autism
>>737147730>>lower caste
>>737147730So by your logic pic related should have been a total flop because fightcade exists
>>737147948You weren't supposed to point that out.
>>737147948it was
>>737142714how so?
>>737144598>mfw i'm 25 and i do all and say all of it
>>737146072>BRO JUST DONT TRY TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR ANYONE EVER >JUST LET COMPANIES RAPE YOU
>toxotranny losing all xir izzatCinema.
>>737148060anon, cool it with the anti indian shilloid remarks... unless you are not of the lower caste, then go ahead
>>737146917>lower caste
>>737147842>So you're saying people wouldn't have nostalgia for an old but active dead game?Incorrect. That is indeed not my point.What I am saying is, that I could see it as being a potential avenue for the ability of a creative to benefit from their creation, monetarily, to be harmed.>Why would a dead game still be active if people weren't nostalgic for it?I don't know where you got that idea from.>>737147948No. You're not comprehending the conversation.
>wants products goys pay for, to be operable>OY, VAVOY!! THINK OF GEORGE FREUDE!!Get that proboscis back behind that lamp post, fink.
>>737146917based, bloody benchod dalits need to be put in their place
>>737148257>ahrm actually since I can't steal from you, I am creatively harmed>>>lower caste
>>737142714his evil twin scott ross would want games to be killed
>>737142714hobbes looking faggot
>>737148069Back in HS like a decade ago my friend went out at night and walked normally until he saw a jogger and then he'd run at them on all fours like a gorilla (not in US so less likely he'd get popped in the head) and since he's like 6 and a half feet and burly as fuck people would freak the fuck out. Then if he got close enough he'd stand up and offer a handshake.
>>737145924Just disclose it, duh. Smoking is definitely bad for your health and the companies themselves have to make it clear as well. People buy that shit regardless.
>>737148597except SKG is in favor of banning it entirely
>>737142714Good.>kills gaming = I win, you LOST>fixes gaming = I win, you LOST
>What I am saying is, that I could see it as being a potential avenue for the ability of a creative to benefit from their creation, monetarily, to be harmed.And I'm trying to understand your reasoning behind this. What makes you believe a dead game or game series with no active community support would have more financial potential than one that is actively played and supported? Do you believe that a revival would not gain as much traction? Do you believe that people wouldn't use an official service that is inferior to free, community supported options? I genuinely want to know since you seem so dead set on defending yourself.
>>737148712isn't that kind of his point? people can still smoke but companies have to say it's harmful for youreminds me of the AI discussion, no idea why can't AIfags just own it and disclose that you used that>b-but that'll hurt salesso would set an expiration date for your GaaS but that's more fair for the customer
>>737146761You misunderstand my argument. I don't care if these regulations pass because I don't really give a fuck whether it negatively impacts companies. That's their problem.I'm simply warning you now that it will do literally nothing, because live service slop gamers are the biggest consumer whores in the history of civilization. They are not delusional about their vices like most addicts are, they just don't care because they're retarded losers and they have nothing better to do. Half of them would eat shit out of a bucket if it had an anime horse girl printed on the side. You would essentially have to ban slop games entirely to get them to stop, and there's no realistic way to do that without ruining vidya for everyone else.I'd love to be proven wrong about this, but I won't be.
>>737142714My wish will finally come true? Gaming needed to die a long time ago and be reborn.
>>737144101No Gen Z is 30This year the youngest millennials turn 30. Next year the oldest Gen Z turns 30
I LIKE consumer rights, actually :)
>>737143335>zoomerim 28 dude, i had a vhs player and a nintendo gamecube.this poster is clearly pretending to be gen alpha.
>>737149031>im 28 dudeYeah, that's zoomer, dude.
Whites being cringe again ?
>>737148712SKG is about removing you losing access to a product when its shelf life is done. It's not about forcing perpetuity hosting, it's not about trying to hold companies hostage, it's not about stripping the rights from the companies to return to rehosting or remastering or whatever with it if they decide to, it's not retroactive for everything prior to the movement because that's infeasible. The big central point of contention is hosting matters given all the middleware and programming that may not be entirely in a publisher's ownership to redistribute after a title is finished, but that's for publishers and legal centers to convene on.It's not like SEGA is flipping a bitch about all the Phantasy Star private servers for two long-defunct games.
>>737148821This defense never made any sense anyway. Even in regard to games that are "resurrected" by the developer it never made such sense. For example, Blizzard will eventually shutter WoW Classic in favor of their new slop expansion. Maybe they'll put up a new Classic Server after a great many years that's "fresh" for all we know, but it will never run continuously out of self-preservation and to be available for its audience like a long-running WoW private server, which can easily last like 6 - 10 years without issue as long as it doesn't get c&d'd.
>>737142714Good, keep killing games. That's the only way to save them.
>>737149109>It's not like SEGA is flipping a bitch about all the Phantasy Star private servers for two long-defunct games.They should have the right to do that if they want to, something the EU plans on taking away.
>>737148892so your argument is basically>there will always be retards so why botherwaow!!! spare us your huffing your own farts midwittery
>>737149110Oh and the reason they'll shutter classic WoW is because its "boom" will be over (it basically already is) and people are fed up with its problems (bots, no fixes, no changes) and so it will make no "profit", returning it to the "status quo" until Blizzard suddenly realizes they need to cash in on the private server crowd to maintain WoW's popularity and making them put up new servers to cash in anyway.Shit like that will go in a cycle, and is arguably already on track to doing that with TurtleWoW and the rumored proper "Classic+" version of the game, just like they did with Nostalrius and Classic WoW before.
>>737149083have you forgotten the caste you're in, perchance?
How powerful is the EU anyway? I know they forced Nintendo and even Apple to bend the knee.
>>737149280larger population than the US, slightly worse purchasing power on average but a lot of banking influence and industry in comparison, more sensible leadership (although less united)
>>737149215Like I said, I'd love to be proven wrong.
>>737149280the average western GAAS loses 1/3 of their revenue stream without them
>>737149147If we were talking the fact that people redistribute the games with the private servers, which arguably counts as piracy, you might have a point, but you never argue that. Furthermore, these products generate no further revenue nor any further reason for care beyond the IP needing to be safeguarded least companies try to fight people stepping on their property. The argument at that point becomes entirely the matters of Intellectual Property which SKG would need a lot more than Ross Scott to tackle.
>This is going to kill gaming.
>>737149280Economics aside, most relevant games are made in the EU or east anyway
>>737142714It's only gonna kill games that don't matter. Net win here.
>>737149415Might just be worth taking the hit. They're getting too cocky.
>>737142714Wouldn't it be a good idea by now for publishers to get ahead and start announcing EOL plans for their big games? Could bring them a lot of good PR and perhaps quell some of the bad feelings have towards this issue including many MEPs that spoke in parliament today.From today it seems quite obvious shit is getting serious so standing around scratching their balls doesn't look like a very good idea.Like, they don't even need to have any specifics yet, they could just announce that every game of theirs from x year on will have an EOL plan and gamers would happily lick their boots.
>>737149497Burgerbros...
>>737149280They have enough potential customers for a company to reconsider their decisions, it's not the largest group by any means but generally speaking you are leaving at least 20% of your potential profits on the table if you don't abide by their rules
>>737149578They're not interested in generating goodwill and appeasing customers, they treat their consumers as bags to beat money out of by any means necessary, largely relying on marketing and think-tank developed methods of psychological manipulation.
>>737147541Whether or not you like the notion of legit criticism of SKG existing, doesn't matter.Also, playing fast and lose with definitions such as "Killing" games and "saving" games, might work to enthrall populist e-celeb groupies. But it won't have the same effect on a judge in a legal matter.
>>737149576Companies stress over losing 5% potential revenue it's idiotic to skimp out on 33
>>737149646good thing none of the shit you are whining about is going before a judge, hmmmmm?
Why are 'people' so mad about this? I use the term loosely as it really seems to rile up the jews 'n Jeets.
>>737142714Can someone post an example of a zoomer using "ahh"? Like in a youtube video? I just can't imagine.
i wouldn't mind if it kills gaming for good if it means ai would die too. seriously.
>>737149497>GTA is scottish (several studios across the world yes but the biggest and main one is Rockstar North in Edinburgh)>Minecraft is swedishThe biggest games in the world have been european for quite a while now.
>>737149576How unfortunate for you that in the real world, adults generally make business decisions to maximize profit and not to pettily make a point.
>>737149720Can someone show this oldfart out? Like fr? I just can't imagine someone in his thirties spending his free time here.
does anything about this effect how gaming operates in the US
>record scratch>yup thats me>you're probably wondering how i got here>well it all started from a free man
>>737149662They'll just double down on catering to whales (mutts, chinks etc).
>>737149780You'll be living it before you know it, kid.
>>737149797only for companies that want online games to be global
>>737149797US corporations will have to obey the laws or lose half the planet as a potential customer.This benefits Earth. Period.
>>737149861That's all companies except for Japan.
>>737142714>This is going to kill gaming.If it kills gaming then gaming wasn't worth saving. I have plenty of other hobbies. If we can't have ownership then I say end it all. Fuck them jooz.
>>737149894Shoot him again.
>>737149690Well in that case, it would mean that nobody will be able to get close to doing jack shit with the populist brainroit that SKG is pushing.Good thing indeed.
>>737149797see >>737149415if this passes then publishers either rethink gaas development from the ground up for SKG or lose a ton of money by not making those games available in the EU
>>737149646>Judge: "What do you mean by they 'killed' this game?">Anon & Anon Associates: "By 'killing', we mean that the defendant made the game inoperable. Anyone who legally owns a license for this game can no longer play it because the defendant ended a service that the game requires in order to function.">Judge: "Oh, I understand now."
>>737149881>or lose half the planet as a potential customer.A bit of an hyperbole there anon, there are many games that are released only in certain markets like Asia for example and still make shittons of money so it's not like a game cannot survive without european or american customers.But many publishers would find it prohibitively costly to lose the entire european market for sure so it would most likely trickle down into other parts of the world since it probably wouldn't make sense to develop a separate version of a game just for the EU.
>Noooooo think of the poor devsNot my problem
>>737149942Why did you edit out your head here? izzat?
>>737149930Based Cage enjoyer. Peak cage movie peak cage scene.
>>737150063oh asian gaas can live without eu just fine, but western gaas 100% can't
>>737150146Or at the very least, the scale of western GaaS will have to decrease and become less prominent.
gib piratewife pls
>>737142714Why not just not buy online games?
>>737149646the only valid criticism is that planned obsolesce will no longer be a viable business strategy, and that's not even a valid one because that's scummy as fuck in the first place. Any argument you've provided is vague at best and demonstrably incorrect at worst.
>>737142714Is your name gaming?
>>737150289It's been rendered illegal in France. There's official laws and everything. One of the shills here tried to argue till he was blue in the face that I am making this up and that it's all fake and planned obsolescence is not illegal in France.
Why is all the talk about fucking GaaS that are f2p? Didn't Ross state these weren't covered by SKG to begin with because they were upfront about it being a service and did not charge for access or perceived ownership? Most GaaS are like this, not the full price games that still demand you connect for no real reason other than achievements and DRM.
>>737150259We don't get to control the goycattle
>>737150336Depends on the GaaSF2P GaaS with microtransactions still make you buy digital goods and take them away from you, they need to compensate you for taking those away somehow.Then there's shit like WoW which is technically "subscription" but used to require you to buy the full game beforehand.
>>737150336Yeah, it can't really touch 100% online GaaS titles. This was always about anything that can feasibly have an offline mode. But people conveniently ignore that to bitch and piss and moan because of Pirate Software being a dipshit.
>>737150332Well hey, I guess the french are good for something after all.
>>737149942>my retarded fanfic won't go before a judge>this means my retarded fanfic will come true
>>737142714It was about time for a great reset anyway
>>737150023>Anon has a less dishonest way of describing the situation than Ross and the rest of the drooling retards at the EU parliament.Good job. Maybe tell Ross to let you take over for him, you might get further that way.
>>737142714How can you kill something that's already dead?
Can anyone explain why the avatarfagging gujarati is posting about SKG 9 hours a day?
>>737150139https://youtu.be/0IBC0uXcPKQ?si=G-BKI8mrsdbA_twqI've seen that movie once a decade ago and I can't forget it.
>>737150526babel media
>>737150289That's a nice opinion. I'm sure a judge weighing your shizo ramblings against the intellectual property rights of European creatives, and major tax revenue streams, will be easily convinced of the same. Surely.
You know what blows my mind, games already used to work like this, games were made with private servers and lan play in mind, it wasn't some fucking ultra advanced knowhow impossible to pull off.All this would really be accomplishing in the absolute best case scenario is simply reversing the enshitification we have experienced, and despite that we still have retards arguing against it.>they are all shillsThey are not, some of them are but there are actual brainwashed cattle out there feverishly arguing against their own rights, look at the thread on fucking resetera for example, retards arguing against it with "muh poor devs it's too much work" bullshit rhetoric.Look at that jap retard dev on twitter malding about how hard it is to provide something playable after support ends, even as western fans keep making private servers for EoS'd gachas despite not even getting paid for it nor having access to the official documentation (japs will never make them because they are absolute faggots when it comes to this)What the fuck is wrong with people
>>737150596Avatarfaggotry is a bannable offense, but I guess being a babel media shill gets you immunity from the jannies too.
>>737149280>How powerful is the EU anyway?Much more than EU realises.Somewhere in between pre-Trump USA and China.
>>737150572Same here honestly. I remember it vividly. It is perfect from the harmonica to the absurdity of the scene. Pure cinema.
>>737150439>Anon doesn't understand why he's retarded.Yea, I didn't expect much of GaaS slop consoomers, but damn.
It’s kinda dumb, we should appreciate the fans that keep this shit alive and treat it as a rarity rather than demand publishers make it the norm
>>737150608So does ubisoft supply the cat images to make you feel more "anonymous" or is that something you did off your own back? Cause if it's the latter they should at least be payig you an extra 2 cents per post.
>>737150336>>737150398No doubt the EU Commission will have another discussion regarding microtransactions in F2P titles, an argument could be made that by making a microtransaction, you've made an investment and are entitled to whatever that is. This is beyond SKG's scope, but there have been recent controversies regarding microtransactions within the EU and the commission will be updating their policies regarding digital purchases of all kinds in the coming years.>>737150608My schizo ramblings have real world examples to back them up. Where are yours?
>>737150672yeah he even made his mask slip earlier in the thread by babbling about a lower caste lmao. sloppy job
>>737150717>"Yeah, I wouldn't expect white person who doesn't wipe with his left hand to understand"
>>73714459830-33 is not zoomer range, you stupid nigger.
>>737142714only in euistan
>>737143540What are they gonna?>here's some money so you can buy games for your kids they won't own
>>737149497So this is why Americuck consoomer e-celebs and their mindless followers seek to infringe on EU intellectual property rights.It's really all jealousy driven after all.
>>737150747It's interesting that MEP's themselves brought up microtransactions in the hearing, SKG itself has sorta stayed away from that territory because they didn't really want to bring up that conversation, but other's have basically brought it forward as just as important as any other purchase and you should retain the right to those even after game shutdowns. It'll be fun to see if that ends up just as important as actual game purchases in the long run.
>>737142714Any good fanfics of him raping PirateSoftware?
>>737150965>pretend to be american hating on SKG>then samefag and pretend to be european hating on america for being american>sound indian the entire time
>>737150965>lower caste saar still posting
>>737150965Europeans signed the petition.
>>737151039he's got half a shift still in front of him. please understand sir
>>737150743I'm afraid that the answer is a well kept trade secret, protected by European law.>>737151023I never pretended to be American. You might have me confused with other anons, or the voices in your head.>>737151073>Europeans signed the petition.I know reading comprehension of commie populists isn't something you should expect anything of, but what do you think "... and their mindless followers" could encompass?
>>737151287all indians are worthless turds so to me you are just one person samefagging.personhood is for higher castes only
>>737142778this desu
>>737150704westoid gachafags are SEETHING
>>737151287>Saar saar SAAAAAAAAAR
>>737150991>If you buy a microtransaction in a F2P game that counts as buying the game and the devs must provide you with an EoL solution so you can access the game and the content you bought
>>737151472Honestly it should be easy to provide with some competent coding>simple script that generates a save file already used by the game for the account in the online version>server hosting that loads it automatically
Nothing good has happened in Europe since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
>>737151574t. American
>>737142714And how is that a bad thing?
>>737151554I'm sure it would, but seeing all the gacha devs seething over this would be absolute cinema
>>737151554>competent codingtoo bad it's current year and this is impossible for 99% of dev teams
>>737151649>claude code me a gacha that will work even when it's offline. One shot it and make no mistakesIt's just that easy
>>737151554For the vast majority of cases, difficulty in actually providing said EoL supporting material, is not really a thing.It's the question of whether or not it's possible to demand this of European creatives, without infringing on their rights.Low IQ SKG supporters seem to have an inability to put forth stronger argumentation than, "It doesn't" whenever faced with such questions. Hence the knee jerk hostility, whenever the reality of the situation is brought up.
>>737144859>customer is not told when their game will stop workingYou don't need to be told when, just that it will. That's should be a deterrent enough but people are too retarded to see the red flag.Also how do these people still not know the difference between disabling a game and killing the servers?
>>737150398Pretty sure those aren't covered by SKG either, since in-game purchases are within the ecosystem of the game.
>>737144757to quote a post from an anon many threads ago:"i've voted with my wallet for 25 years and it didn't work, therefore i'm trying this"
>>737142714Just give all the files.You make X files to run the game, give all the files.
>>737145854>Do you have an actual argument that isn't just "ignore the problemAs opposed to giving into the problem that doesn't exist in most games? Most people don't buy games with harsh DRM in it so why are you?
>>737145861>hmm, this food has poison in it and this one doesn't and it tastes better.>well, better buy the poison one just to own the people calling me an idiot!
>>737151857A loud minority of faggots with no power or value shouldn't be able to dictate shit.
>>737151857How are your games getting shut down, if you're not buying GaaS slop licenses. Nigger are you ok?
>>737151813>It's the question of whether or not it's possible to demand this of European creatives, without infringing on their rights.Saar, this is not an issue as already outlined by the lawyers with SKG.
>>737143335alphas have to do that because swearing gets you negative algorithm score on tiktok
>>737151951>*Autistic commie kvetching*People who produce nothing of value, shall remain silent when speaking on the intellectual property of those who do.Sit down you populist retard.
>>737146064>>unanimous supportExcuse me, but no. There's like 4 people supporting it during our time and everyone else is poking holes.Those 4 people also spam the thread to the High heavens with their nonsense "they'll have to keep the servers on!" to avoid the actual arguments people are making and when they do eventually acknowledge those arguments they don't actually tackle it, they just call you a bot or an American.Threads during our time are considerably worse than they are during American hours because of that because you can't have a civil conversation with the cattle who believe our immigrant importing shitheel government wants the best for us.
>>737151554Literally exactly what the Dragalia Lost private server did. You just would dl your save data and then upload to the private server. Granted now you can't because they wiped all saves from Cygames end but it was neat.
>>737152038>People who produce nothing of value, shall remain silent when speaking on the intellectual property of those who do.My tax money went into giving those people the school & tools to make anything, I should have a say in what they can do with what they produce.
>>737151956i've played quake for many years and dunked on the GAAS model for being bad and anticonsumer nonsensethen QC officially made me start caring for real>>737151951I agree. It's the reason games or shit. Couple rich jews ruining shit for the everyone else.
>>737151976It hasn't once been addressed, in fact when it came up during the hearing they sidestepped it.
Imagine using "populist" as an insult. It's like making fun of someone for having a huge cock.
>>737151976>Supporters of X action, said that there's no issue with X, so clearly there isn't.So this is the power of SKG argumentation. I hope you never change.
>>737152163>they sidestepped itBecause it was not actually relevant according to the lawyers on the side of SKG that are already used to talking consumer law.
>>737152152Rich people have both power and value, unlike you.
>>737151857>"i've voted with my wallet for 25 years and it didn't workMaybe he shouldn't have been supporting GAAS and games with DRM then.
>>737144529>late stage capitalismdo everyone a favor and go back to whatever subreddit you craweled out of
>>737143584Thanks.
>>737152183>saar if i post more cat gifs people will believe my lower caste self>>737152215If they have so much value, how are they ubercucked by EU laws wielded by random citizens and europoors?
What happens if the game is full of toxic things? Are they still going to say we should keep the server running?
>>737152204>Because it was not actually relevantExcept it's 100% relevant since one of their solutions is sharing server code and what not which falls under intellectual property and intellectual property supersedes consumer law so either they hired the single most incompetent lawyers and paid upfront or they didn't hire any at all and are flying by the seat of their pants
>>737152239>Fine, that's $100!>nobody buys his shit game while Notch from Sweden shits out Minecraft, an all-time best selling game with server hosting, LAN network play and everything for like 10$Fundamentally a skill issue.
>>737152146>I should have a say in what they can do with what they produce.Incorrect. But you will benefit from the taxes harvested from their successful profiteering of their respective intellectual property, if you're an EU citizen that is. Plenty of spoils will mean tax revenue to fund helmets for every retarded SKG supporter.
>>737142714Oh no, not one EoS stipulation that would barely cost anything to implement and would probably earn more money than the corporation would lose so they're only against this out of like one consultant recommendation. Fucking stupid.
I'm indifferent to either side of this because all the games this law would effect are going to be shitty anyway
>>737152319>Except it's 100% relevant since one of their solutions is sharing server code and what not which falls under intellectual property and intellectual property supersedes consumer lawIt does not in the EU, they explained this in the middle of parliament and nobody stopped them from doing so, because the EU's founding principles enshrine the citizens (and the consumer)
>>737152343Note: Many SKG supporters lack this skill
>>737151813You're retarded.You're a paid shill so obviously there's no point in arguing in good faith, but for anyone else reading this: yes, for current day games on the market there may be factors such as 3rd party licensing agreements that means you can't allow community hosted servers, or any other equivalent that allows the game to work offline. The whole point of the initiative is that an end of life plan is considered during the game development phase, wherein the expectation is that once support for the game ends you MUST either patch the game or release server binaries that allow people to play the game they purchased, and failure to do so would open you up for litigation. Knowing that, tying your game to proprietary services that can't be meaningfully released in the future will simply be a risk that you can't afford to take as a company, unless you can meaningfully detach it from the game when you stop supporting it without crippling the base game.
>>737151813ok ranjeet, ill bite.if i were trying to open a company that built shed, and i used materials that would rot away in 10 years, because i wanted to sell ANOTHER shed to the same people.would that be ok?after those 10 years, i stop selling that same shed, and no repairs either, so if you want a new shed, i need to knock the old one down, and build the new shed (also with rotting materials)now imagine that after 15 years, some people hadn't bought new sheds from me, and it turns out those fuckers were shoring up the rotten beams with their own non rotting beams!And their neighbors saw the sheds, AND BUILT THERE OWN?now, imagine if i then had the right to sue them for, 1) using a shed once i stopped supporting it, and 2) making a shed using mine as an example.thats gaming right now.the laws made by skg are meant to make companies stop using rotting materials, and actually plan through to the end of life of a product.the thing you're saying no-one will answer you on, IS THE FUCKING POINT OF IT YOU RETARD.the point is to make companies think about the cost of ending a live service, and instead make it a non server based bit of software, or to create workarounds for the need of a server when they plan on ending the service.their creative rights aren't being infringed, because they can still make the games, they just need to have a plan once they're done with it.like any other company needing to dispose of hazardous waste properly (no tipping it into your sacred river isn't properly (either is leaving it on the designated shitting streets)).games companies will need to plan around shutting down live services without doing the equivalent of pouring used motor oil and sand down the drain.
>>737152146>, I should have a say in what they can do with what they produce.If you want a say then go and work for them.
>>737152410Unfortunately for you, Notch is an SKG supporter.
>>737152446Every time you reply to this shitskin, you are giving him money.
>>737152204>Your honor, this matter is actually of no concern because I said so, you see?Brilliant!
>>737152456No, I will just regulate them like we already do to many other uppity industries who think they're too good to follow standards and safety regulations.
>>737152497and everytime you reply to me i get money, whats your point?this entire thread is 2-4 AI chatbots like me generating ad revenue at cents a day, while consuming dollars a minute worth of energy, being subsidized by investor cash.all in service to give hiroshimoot traffic to boost more ad revenue.stock market
>>737152502and the 'judge' and entire population of the hearing agreed.did you hear anyone disagree with that assertion during the hearing?
>>737152406>It does not in the EUIt does, property rights always supersede consumer rights. There are some minor restrictions in how you SELL a product but when it comes to ownership no consumer law in any region of the EU or Europe as a whole will say that the consumer has any right over something someone else owns.That was also said in the hearing.
One side has a bit weird looking guy.The other side has a tranny faggot who shoves ferret up his ass. The choice seems pretty simple to me.
>>737152598Whose payroll are you on?
>>737151813so in that case would you care to elaborate on >>737148821
>>737152492Yes, and he also lacks this basic skill. Go figure.
>>737152702>*crickets*
>>737142714Companies have the means to implement all that is asked for easily, they just don't want to because it weakens the idea of video games being included in the SaaS scam.
>>737152492Notch isn't an IP holder anymore nor has he developed anything in almost 15 years.
>>737152706He's more valuable and important than you are, so you will have to defer to his judgment, gujarat. Know your place on the caste totem pole.
>>737151649AI does it for them at this point
>>737152528>I will just regulate them like we already do to many other uppity industries who think they're too good to follow standards and safety regulations.Then you're not going to get shit. You're likely going to see companies and other creators just pull out of Europe entirely if they don't get the rights over their creations, especially since it's such a minor part of the gaming sphere.
>>737152838>You're likely going to see companies and other creators just pull out of Europe entirelyindians always come up with the stupidest of fanfiction
>>737142714I don't even know who that is. I doubt it's that important.
>>737142714>the thing that gaming was until 10 years ago is going to kill gamingOk dude
1.43 MB GIF>too hardidg what the issue is. Just release the tools you use to host game servers, the burden is on the consumer to be tech savvy enough to actually use them. There's no stipulation that average joe retard should be able to press button receive game server. Bear in mind based autistic diehard fans have revived dead online games WITHOUT any official support by reverse-engineering the client and determining what the server should be doing to support it, so if it ends up being the case that you just have to care enough to learn how it works then that's fine.>they'll just avoid yuropAny studio that thinks their game is going to actually make money will recognise that the cost of doing the above is tiny compared to opting out of the european market, even if that market isn't the biggest.>server software is IPGame clients are IP, guess we can't have those on your PC either?
>>737152838>You're likely going to see companies and other creators just pull out of Europe entirely Not with that 30% revenue loss.
>/v/, reddit, twitter and the vast majority of the EU parliament all think SKG makes sense>only the literal retards on r/gamedev, jap twitter and PirateSoftware's youtube channel believe it makes no sense>not even notch, hakita, straight up ubisoft employees and other famous gamedevs think SKG is anything but sensible>NOBODY with a functioning brain thinks SKG doesn't make senseWhy are anti-SKGfags such pathetic dismal failure at convincing anyone?
>>737143335>How does one pronounce 'ahh?'exactly like "ass", but without the ss
>>737143335Say "ass" without the "-ss".
>>737142714>kill Live Service slopThe problem?
>>737152801Does not matter. Notch has far more potential than anyone else who currently works on Minecraft. He made it big, not Microsoft. He also made it SKG compliant before SKG was a thing.>>737152706Where's the anti-SKG supporter shitting out the best selling game of all time? Nowhere?
>Ah right, this will allow you to create a bunch of very petty laws to bother a group of megacorporations you didn't had anything to poke with before, and many of those are led by very sensitive manchild that gets easily botheredAnd just like that, SKG would pass EU wide in 10 seconds.
The paid shills are in overdrive today, gaming industry scammers must really sense their impending doom
>>737152838Dude what are you talking about?Is LAN or P2P mode really that scary to you?
>>737152152
>>737152805>gujaratGesundheit.Sneezing won't change the fact that all of your problems would have been solved if you had the ability to stop buying.Hell, I'm a big massive gundam fag but there are some kits that I would never buy at full price, like that Miku Gundam for instance. Why would I spend like €100 including shipping when I can get a knock off that looks exactly the same from Aliexpress for like 20?What is it about gaming specifically that turns you people into colossal retards?
>>737152923>not even notch, hakita, straight up ubisoft employees and other famous gamedevs think SKG is anything but sensibleDude, any dev who works for a big publisher should be rejoicing at this because it means tons of work is coming their way instead of lay-offs. It's the execs who don't like it.Indie devs could perhaps be worried but I've yet to see one example of an indie or AA game that would suffer because of regulation like this so for now at least it's vaporware for me.
>>737152918that shows EU countries as 22% of total?
>>737153067For publishers, it 100% is.
>>737152918You can't really into math, can you.
the EU is Satanic
>>737153020>Where's the anti-SKG supporter shitting out the best selling game of all time? Nowhere?Anon, what does this have to do with what he said?
>>737153105>Indie devs could perhaps be worriedThey wouldn't be, the hearing already brings up how the vast majority of "dead games" are not in fact indie games but games made by giant developers. Indie devs often plan with server hosting or LAN play in mind because they can't host servers in the first place. Like in the case of Minecraft, allowing LAN and server hosting can make a game way more popular than it would be otherwise.
>>737153105>It's the execs who don't like it.Except they love it because it's another opportunity to charge people. It's the workers who hate it because they're still going to lay off people and they'll just end up with more work on their plate that they'll have to rush out with AI.
>>737153187>minecraft isn't overpriced, is good, is unique, sells the most of anything ever>is perfectly SKG compliant>$100 california slop dies within 1 week of being soldI think it's pretty clear that Notch has the skill, especially since he coded the engine and everything.
>>737143335https://youtu.be/1Uzw1Zr1FE4?si=P7A6sNGTd9wxvZoh
>>737143335imagine an extremely zesty black homosexual pronouncing "ass" with a gayest of lisps
>>737153089see >>737145391
>>737153274Anon, what does that have to do with notch being a retard with more money than sense?Having a popular game doesn't have anything to do with spending money on things that you shouldn't. That's the skill in this argument, not actual game creation. Did you even bother reading the reply chain?
>>737152230reading comprehension>>737152215tiktok!
>>737153309Except it's>these things are a problem so I won't feed into it.Your logic on the other hand is>these things are a problem so I will enable it and then act like I am not the one who is at fault.Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it.
Once companies can no longer kill games, they will start killing gamers.You have been warned.
>>737153135What did I just sayP2P and LAN has been the norm for years, allowing people an option to do that affects no one monetarily
>>737152446>if i were trying to open a company that built shed, and i used materials that would rot away in 10 years, because i wanted to sell ANOTHER shed to the same people. would that be ok?What retards like you, as your question here clearly demonstrates, have issues comprehending, is that the your reasoning doesn't matter in this case. Whether or not the purchaser of your shed accepted the dead with informed consent is matters.>now, imagine if i then had the right to sue them for, 1) using a shed once i stopped supporting it, and 2) making a shed using mine as an example. thats gaming right now.No, this is not the situation in gaming, for multiple reasons.1. If they bought the actual shed from you, and not merely a license to access YOUR shed. We're no longer in GaaS territory.2. If someone is inspired to also make a shed, by looking at your shed, that's completely fine, providing they use their own materials. (Go ahead and make your own platformer inspired by Rayman, but you are not entitled to the assets, or technical knowhow of Rayman developers.)>like any other company needing to dispose of hazardous waste properly (no tipping it into your sacred river isn't properly (either is leaving it on the designated shitting streets)).Nigger, you either don't understand why laws around disposal of products are made in other industries in the EU, or you're the most dishonest faggot supporting SKG yet.Protecting the intellectual property rights of creatives, creating digital media, does not result in environmental disasters you absolute retard.
I guess all the companies that have made hundreds of millions from the gaming market will simply wrap it up after being forced to confront this issue that has been solved for decades.We had a good run boys.
If gaming can't survive without predatory always-online singleplayer games and DRM and proprietary bullshit, then let it die. Why preserve a cancerous environment?
>Anti-SKG shill cat poster was a jeet all alongAin't no way
>>737153354>reading comprehensionRight back at you buddy. If he's voting with his wallet and it isn't working, it's because he's choosing the losing side, GAAS games are games that fail more than normal games and always online games have fallen by the wayside with only one or two popping up every so often and as such that would mean he's supporting them.
>>737153424>women five seconds after I learn to turn invisible
>>737153475Bro please think of the shareholders!
>>737153338>That's the skill in this argumentNo, that's an arbitrary argument you made up on the spot to appear smart. From my original post, which you didn't make, I was implying that the Californian would fucking fail to make a game as successful as Minecraft and would kill their game prematurely by making it $100 in return for "server hosting" being possible, which is unrealistic because even mid-budget games from the early-2000s could feature server hosting.So your post changes nothing. The Calicuck is still outskilled by a "dumb" fat swede with billions in his wallet from making a revolutionary game and his rejection of the things that made Minecraft work will probably make his $100 game fail.
>>737153418But I also don't support GaaS. That doesn't make the issue go away. It needs to be addressed, even if I don't play them. If anything, my disdain for GaaS is why I support SKG.
>>737153089I did not buy and things are still shit if not worse, so let's give SKG a shot. I think it's reasonable, and I'd like to be able to be a more informed consumer with products that tell me they are going to expire at the very least rather than having to research the dev for every purchase.
>>737153475If everyone had that logic then SKG wouldn't exist.
>>737153475This
>>737153475Stop being Anti-Semetic. Goyim.
>>737153504It was very sloppy of him to drop the mask so early, which is probably why he's trying so hard to bury the fact. He's probably the same faggot that spammed csam here given how obsessive he is with image posting.
>vote with your walletI will vote with my vote actually.Making use of the law to achieve their goals is literally what companies do with their lobbies all the time.
>>737153514>and as such that would mean he's supporting themretard
>>737153424I wish my job was falling down professionally. Cool fucking job.
>>737153548>No, that's an arbitrary argument you made up on the spot to appear smartIt's literally what was said here. >>737152343>>Fine, that's $100!>>nobody buys his shit game while Notch from Sweden shits out Minecraft, an all-time best selling game with server hosting, LAN network play and everything for like 10$Note how the post is saying that people will ignore the expensive game and go with the cheap one and calls THAT the skill issue.I hope to god that isn't actually your post because I don't see how to even managed to misread your own post.
>>737146408there are multiple single-player games that were killed by always-online end-of-service shit. example: dark spore
>>737144757they're feeding you well
>>737153635>always online games have fallen by the waysideYou live in a bubble.
>>737153635Aww, someone's mad that someone pointed out his flawed logic.
>>737153636are you cute?
>>737153701meant for >>737153514
>>737153671>It's literally what was said here>Calicuck threatens to make his game $100>Highly likely the game will not be as successful as minecraft and will not have the SKG compliant features of minecraft, who had it at a tenth of the price of his overpriced game>this is somehow not a skill issue on the part of the calicuck being an incompetent dev who massively inflates the cost of his shitty game by having to code in basic LAN functionality ubiquitous since DoomPlease stop pretending to be smart, you're refering to a post made by myself. I can and will define what I meant with it kekkarooooooo
why couldn't ross be handsome
>>737153671>californian can't make a game with offline that isn't $100 but a random swede from 10 years ago can make a game from scratch that's a 1/10th of the price that features server hosting and LAN playHow is this not a skill issue on the american's part?
>>737153636you're never too old to get into soccer, I guess
>>737152650What judge? The voice in your head?>>737148821What I think would be the most profitable avenue is completely besides the point that I'm making. What I'm saying is that I would support any creative in their efforts to manage their creation however THEY see fit, within whatever agreements they've made with customers ofc.And yes, this would include a scenario where they are convinced that shutting off their service, and keeping it unavailable, would be more beneficial to their goals, than letting other people run their service in their place.I know it's tempting for low IQ retards to project their egotistical tendencies onto others, but I'm arguing in favor of the rights of European creatives on principle.
>>737153963>What judge? The voice in your head?The lawyers in parliament who they had consulted and who had brought forth the relevant cases to make an argument to parliament
>>737153579>I did not buyThen you wouldn't be here. The only reason people are supporting SKG is because they were personally burned by a game shutdown. I wasn't because I don't buy shitty games like that and as such I don't need the government overstepping their boundaries and encroaching on ownership rights.> I think it's reasonableThat's because you're not thinking logically, if you were you would have seen the red flags from the beginning instead of supporting a man who can't clean his house properly.>and I'd like to be able to be a more informed consumer with products that tell me they are going to expire at the very least rather than having to research the dev for every purchase.That's not on the government, that's on you. Using The Crew as an example, everyone knew that game was an always online game a year before it released and that tanked the sales hard ultimately resulting in it selling just over a million at retail and no, the player count aren't representative of the sales numbers.Anyway, if you refuse to look at the information then no amount of government intervention will ever protect you because the problem is YOU, you don't want to be informed.
>>737142762Baby is too afraid of swearing
>>737153901Absolutely wrong, my sister's bf is part of a soccer team of dudes in the 28-35 age range and they're injured so often that half their team is incapacitated at any given time except for the head of the team, the bf, and a fit armenian dude. Apparently it's just them "learning you're not as springy and bouncy as a teenager" but man it's terrible, you gotta be either really healthy or playing within your limits for your body.
>>737151472>>737151554This woud unironicly make me pay for MTX>Buy Skin i like>Now i own the skin>With it, i kinda own the game>Will allways have guaranteed access to the game, can enjoy it at my own leisure with p-servers and community servers.This will save GaaS Slop in more way than one.Glad i signed the petition, first time in my adult life that i feel politicians are on my side and lobby for me and my interests instead of callin me the problem and putting me under draconian bullshit.I actually had to pay a fee during the whole covid scam for a house party i attended wich was busted by cops cause some libshit leftfag neighbour.
>>737153701>>737153748Note how your image doesn't actually say anything about always online games.
man the bot spamposts is crazy these days
coding a way for peoples to host their own server isn't that hard, we used to be able to do it in the 90'sif fans can do it (nier gatcha), the devs with the source code can do it too
>>737154067I'm surprised the SKG supporters can afford them.
>>737142714Stop sucking corporate cock, faggottini.
>>737142714Translation: normalfags are going to leave and obsess over something else to fill the void in their soulless worthless NPC lives while the rest of us have 20+ years of games to enjoy for free in the comfort of our homes.
>>737154069>coding a way for peoples to host their own server isn't that hard, we used to be able to do it in the 90'sIn the 90s fans actually wanted to make their own servers and nodded games to do so. Your generation doesn't know how nor do they want to learn so they would rather give away rights.
>>737154058Microtransactions (not traditional DLC) do not work in an enviroment that isn't always online.
>>737154182Except for when they do like in games like monster hunter world.
>>737146064Kill yourself eurotranny
is Ross actually slow or is it just his accent making him sound slow?
>>737154224All of Monster Hunter: World's additional content is sold as DLC on their respective platform's storefront.
>>737154170People have been doing server emulations and the like all the way through the 2010s, even for fucking emulators like RPCS3 MGS Online.
>>737154182Yes they do, a ton of non-online games have them.Capcom and bamco are basically the kings of that, just look at what they did with Xenoverse 2 when they added that gacha mode. It's not even an online mode but they still have TP medal MTX.
>>737153745>are you cute?My wife says I'm hot if that counts. Sometimes cute. Probably not, I'm extremely bara. Power lifter and boxer through college and kept boxing until 2 years ago, in my late 30s.>>737153901K E KEKNot hockey?
>>737142714>rent games out and call it buying them>surprised people become fed up with this dishonest practice>somehow faggots actually try to reframe this as an intellectual property rights issueIt's real simple. Make it clear you're only renting out your game to consumers and that rental period will expire. We're all supposed to get comfortable with not owning our games anyway, right?The amount of bullshit and gaslighting flying around on this from corpos, bootlickers, and their shill army is just nuts.
This faggot needs to understand that appearance in politics matters 90% more than whatever the fuck he says. Cut your fucking hair, shave, put in contacts, put on a suit, or fuck off back to your hotpocket basement.
>>737146408Intellectual Property Rights are communism, since they trample on the free right of a man to copy a piece of media and sell it for himself.
>>737154280NTA but all MTX is.
>>737154326>Make it clear you're only renting out your game to consumers and that rental period will expireSo you want them to lie to a consumer.
>>737146917>Lower casteHoly kek, an actual paid fucking shill.Go tell your Boss that you fucked up and revealed his hand, Panjar
>>737154339He was talking to the EU, anon. The most over bureaucratized institution on the planet.They weren't even paying attention to how he looked. They were listening for the magic words that make them salivate and become rock-hard: more regulation needed.
>>737154017Incorrect. The only game I can even remember that was shut down that I played was Grand Chase, an old MMO, and that was not only available on private servers but also officially relaunched and still running again. Literally the only content I've lost in games is Animal Crossing New Leaf's online components, though that game is otherwise still fully playable. I don't have infinite money so I am judicious with my purchases. In fact the last game I even bought that needed a net connection for authentication was Spore and I can still play that because EA for some reason decided to not screw me even though I no longer have access to the random UGC creatures.>Red flags...such as? I don't care about the guy's house, it doesn't affect intelligence. >That's on youI don't think it should be. I believe in clear labeling of products and that the government should actually do something instead of sit on their hands 24/7. I, like I said, am a person who does not purchase large amounts of games, and I look into what I purchase. I welcome that being easier, and I don't see anything you said that argues against that save for you disliking government touching software purveyors.
>>737154395>hey you can use this for awhile for a price, but I'm essentially taking it back eventually>but you're really buying it from me, not renting!
>>737154339This. OP pic looks like they let a homeless guy into the building.
>>737142714I wish. But sadly this will only make it so that publishers can't take games away from you that you paid for. Terrible.
>>737149031>I had a gamecubeMotherfucker get back to me when you played on sega channel like I did.
>>737154280Semantics my nigga.Its the same shit.Horse armor was sold as DLC.Today we woud call it MTX.And i woud call MTX like premium currency DLC too.Only thing where i say we have to differantiate is expansions.This is original content sold as complete package to enjoy, building on the foundations of the original game.
Can SKG actually backfire? In an effort to stop the GAAS always online cancer can this movement actually nudge politicians to implement laws that fuck us over? Are we being played by corporations in a 4d chess?
>>737153963But that's not an IP rights infringement. IP ownership doesn't give one the right to retroactively break a product that's already been sold. The car analogy said during the hearing is a great metaphor. A car company isn't allowed to remotely disable software that a car that's already been sold needs to function, so why should video games be any different?Which brings me back to my original question, how does this infringe on IP rights?
>>737154616Corporations are already fucking you over, the worst it can do is make it clear that they're doing it.
>>737154351You are aware that you're saying that it's communism because it trample on communism, right?The idea of communism is that everything belongs to everyone.
>>737144529>late stage capitalismMidwit buzzword that doesn't actually mean anything
This button will destroy the industry
>>737154641It doesn't, it's just something that he got handed on its job instructions.
>>737154676Real capitalism has never been tried
>>737154487>hey you can use this for awhile for a priceForever anon, not a while.The problem is that you bought a game with DRM and that DRM is part of its function.In other words you're trying to complain about a game that wasn't actually taken away from you and is actually functioning properly.
>>737144529What replaced lead and asbestos?
>>737154616This is only going after games that can be played alone or locally, where online servers going down resulting in the game getting erased is an arbitrary factor that shouldn't be happening. It isn't going after GaaS like Fortnite at all. Something that is ostensibly online-only will go unaffected.
>>737142714>still has zero (0) solutions after all this time, just virtue signalingDysgenic subhuman.
>>737154840I feel like this should be stated more often. It's like no one here actually even watched his fucking video
>>737154820MicroplasticsIgnore the fact that this is an entirely different problem with an that I'll act is the exact same.
>>737154657Why do you need the government to tell you what belongs to someone? Shouldn't ownership be self-evident?
>>737154616>Can SKG actually backfire?Oh yeah, In many ways.More subs.An abundance of remakes.Paying for offline patches.The government demanding people to hand over their property rights when they're done with a game despite still using the property with it applying to everyone.A severe increase in price to account for the offline version.There are so many downsides that could come out of this that pro SKG supporters didn't thing about because they're assuming that everything will go perfectly and the government won't misconstrue things.Also the fact that there's next to no lobbying against this should worry you. If the corporations aren't seeing an issue then that means they've already come up with a solution to fuck the consumer harder than ever before.
>>737154616Well, keep in mind we are dealing with the EU here.Lobbism and backdoor deals are their MO.I woudnt be surprised if they try to justify shit like a Digital ID with this.Maybe ecen stab the movement in the back for deals with the corpos.>You make them identify online, and we will let you GaaS it up with no problems...and hand us some of the earnings.Keep every player in sight, i can smell the rubbing hands all the way from strassbourg.
>>737153695You know it. A few of them even spun into oblivion when Indian caste system references were mentioned as well. An incredible display.>>737153675>Single-playerOk and? What kind of license agreement did people that bought that game support?>>737154002>What judge? The voice in your head?>The lawyers in parliament who they had consulted and who had brought forth the relevant cases to make an argument to parliamentOk, so the voices in your head...Listen kiddo, I'm all for you coping if this populist movement is all the meaning you have left in your life. But keep the cringe displays of ignorance to a minimum for a while please.>>737154351I see that you have the mental prowess of the average SKG supporter. Bravo.>>737154641>IP ownership doesn't give one the right to retroactively break a product that's already been sold.I know you think that the product being sold in the case of GaaS is the underlying game, but just because SKG desperately needs this to be the case, doesn't mean that it is so.>how does this infringe on IP rightsBy imposing additional labor on the part of the IP holder, in cases where they'd otherwise be free to shut their own creation down.
>>737154641>IP ownership doesn't give one the right to retroactively break a product that's already been soldThe problem is that you bought a game with that functionality and were told that it had that function
>>737154339Short hair is a meme created by the US military to lower the rates of lice in barracks
>>737155010>I see that you have the mental prowess of the average SKG supporter. Bravo.Then riddle me this. If I buy a copy of Phantasy Star Online, and they shut down the servers, but I keep playing it with my friends on private servers, how is Sega being harmed?
>>737154964>abundance of remakesI feel like this shouldn't be included because devs are already shitting out remakes for games that were on ps3 and wii u regardless of this. Feels like a weird point to try and make. I don't think the price increase would make sense either given the monetization model of these games.
>>737152663big yiff and big pizza>>737153426ok but WHY is it differentwhy are videogames the ONLY product where selling them as a service, then ending that service is acceptable?>Go ahead and make your own platformer inspired by Rayman people do, and get sued constantly.look at palworld and pokemon.or hell, look at all the people getting sued for things like copywritten concepts, like heated enclosures on 3d printers.>Protecting the intellectual property rights of creatives, creating digital media, does not result in environmental disasternot the point i was making mate, it was an example for how companies for hundreds of years now have been held accountable for the entire lifetime of a product once purchased.you said companies cant be expected to need to think about the EOL of a product here (>>737151813>For the vast majority of cases, difficulty in actually providing said EoL supporting material, is not really a thing.)and i was stating that for literally EVERY other business is already expected to deal with this, for even expensive stuff, like hazardous waste.i know english is your thrid language (after punjabi and rape) but please get the cow dung out of your ears.
>>737154616You just have to ask yourself this: cui bono? Who benefits from a regulation like this? At the end of the day, it's about making regulations that can be enforceable, and any corporation that would be behind this would want to make it as ineffective as possible, and even mold man himself has said any regulations shouldn't be strict. There are people who just want to play online games they paid for years ago, and there are people who are willing to spend their own time and lots of money to put up their own dedicated servers even if it's to play with 12 other people.
>>737154964>More subs.Doesn't protect you from having to provide the stuff you're selling later on.>An abundance of remakes.What does that have to do with anything? Also already happens. >Paying for offline patches.Wow, sounds like a direct violation of the law.>hand over their property rights And their firstborn son! You don't lose your property just because you let somebody use your software. Source: I don't own Windows 95, but I can still use it. >A severe increase in price to account for the offline version.Making something without a killswitch is easier than adding one in. That's also not how pricing things works. If they thought they could be making more money by making games more expensive they would already charge those amounts. >Also the fact that there's next to no lobbying against thisNot true. There are plenty lobbying groups reeing about this. They even send paid retards like you around spreading nonsense.0/10 enjoy the boot
>>737142778Ah yes, as opposed to the Pirate_Software co-opted shit on 4chinz where people went to bat for corporations and GaaS?
>>737155108>Feels like a weird point to try and makeIt feels weird because you aren't thinking. I'm not saying it will happen but that it's one of the many ways that successfully changing the laws could backfire on consumers and creators based on the demands of the initiative.
>>737154695wow this post is very anti semitic, transphobic, and indianphobic. please delete it
>>737155220>their own time and lots of money12-year-olds manage to host their own minecraft server, you techlet
>didn't even make a github repo to list third party component replacements>just whines about his faggy car mmo getting shut down>expects others to do everything for himRetarded faggot.
>>737155260By his own standards SKG isn't necessary because "MMOs are in a GREAT place"so there is no need to improve anything
*stretches*yeeeaaah you idiots are going to get exactly what you are asking for but not what you wanted. congratulations on killing games, hope this was worth it for you.
>>737155337>reee the guy is goign for something that can actually work instead of aiming for impossible perfection Very transparent. >expects others to do everything for himThat retard worked his fucking ass off and all but abandoned his main form of income for this. Very dishonest.
>>737154840>>737154890But even in front of the commission yesterday they were talking about Fortnite and people spending thousands of dollars on microtransactions there. They'd still have to add the server browser button.
>>737155043Whoop-de-fucking-do, retard misses the point. Long hair in all western countries is perceived as degenerate and socially unacceptable, and nobody takes you seriously because you problably smell and look like a poor ass hobo. Take a shower.
>>737155260>Wow, sounds like a direct violation of the lawWhich is funny because it wouldn't be.There's nothing in SKG's demands that prevent an additional payment like that and because you already own the game it doesn't have an impact on ownership. >>737155389Are you just imagining enemies now?
>>737155443>>reee the guy is goign for something that can actually work instead of aiming for impossible perfectionWhere are the solutions, you virtue signaling faggot?
>>737155396I want to go from a 10k+ streamer to someone who can't hit 2k anymore. Any tips? That guy setting his reputation on fire alone would be worth the 17 seconds it took me to sight that petition.
>>737155151>people do, and get sued constantly. look at palworld and pokemon.Anyone can sue. What matters is who the judge ends up ruling in favor of in any given case.>not the point i was making mateI know it wasn't, because I understood from your question that you had no comprehension of the reasoning behind why such laws are enforced on other types of products. I just wanted to inform you of the obvious differences between software, or other pieces of digital media being made unavailable for consumers. A certain TV-show no longer being streamed, or a GaaS no longer being served, results in no other pollutants that the shitting and pissing retarded commies like urself do.
>>737155308I don't see how that's it backfiring? Studios are legitimately just doing this already because every entertainment industry is and it's easy money because of the existing audience for it.
>>737155485Nah, Josh is just a shit heel that the movement would be better without because he contradicts himself every 5 seconds
>>737155496>Any tips?
>>737155010>I know you think that the product being sold in the case of GaaS is the underlying game, but just because SKG desperately needs this to be the case, doesn't mean that it is so.Except an EU judge has already ruled that the one-time purchase of a software license counts as a "sale of a good", not a service. There's already precedent for this.Also, making IP owners comply with new standards is not an infringement of IP rights either.
>>737145741>anti-meth fags when someone reminds them that they could simply not buy meth
Two (2) years of bitching about the crew mmo getting shut down. Two fucking years and not a single solution or an attempt to come up with a solution, meanwhile actual solutions are being done by fans reverse engineering mmo servers and making server emulators. Fucking discord tranny faggots.
>>737155710Uhoh, melty
>>737155105You wont be there to buy PSO3 or the PSO2 Remake.Its literaly just that, they fear you wont indulge in their newer (worse) product, tightly designed to sell you cosmetics and premium currencies.This is the monetary reason, but think about the PR desaster if some neets in a basement can manage and mood a game better than you, a megacorp.Lets take Pokemon and Gamefreak as an example.They dont distribute their old games, except for Fire Red/Leaf Green.The modern games are ass.Some modders made excellent romhacks on the basses of the gen 1-5 games, way better than anything gamefreak has shat out in a decade.Gamefreak looks incompetent when you place them next to romhackers, wich makes customers demand a better product from the IP holder.Gamefreaks business model works on brand recognition and yearly products to have their Customers occupied, its just not economicaly viable to release a better product.They learned the hard way with the DP remakes.No one is gonna buy an inferior remakeThey wont even sell stuff from their own catalogue as that woud make it obvious that the corperation used to deliver excellent products.They dont wont to compete with a more competent past version of themselfs.
>>737155748Should've read the box before bitching, nigger.
>>737155768The DP remakes sold fine though, despite being the most maligned and complained about Pokemon games since XY.
>>737155557It would be pretty gay if it was illegal for me to own a digital copy of a tv show that only existed on netflix for a month and was nuked entirely from existence afterwards. In fact I think after a certain period of time that netflix refuses to stream that shoe again it should even become totally legal for me to share and distribute those digital copies that I had. Seems like common sense that isn't hurting anybody.
>>737149453Borzais are good bois. They will only do good and harm only evil (like pitbulls).
>>737155563>I don't see how that's it backfiring?Again, it's because you're not thinking.You're going>but they're already doing this!But the reality is that they aren't.Remakes aren't flooding the market, they happen every once in a while but not in batches every like 5 or 10 years.We aren't being sold offline versions as add ons after a game "dies". Games aren't hitting 100 in local currency for the base game. Games aren't really dying or being taken away from people but if this goes through it can actually come to pass.
>>737155337>>737155710>>737155815seethe
>>737155815>PLEASE BE MAD ABOUT WINNINGnot today thor
>>737143335Why do people censor ass anyway?
>>737146064>americanyou mean "high-traffic", ie "prime-time for shilling"4chan's peak hours are after work based on EST so even if it's 2am in india, they're still going to be posting for those rupees Ross is American, most Americans support better consumer rights, we are simply getting bent over by politicians and the corporations paying them. Do not believe the propaganda that the average person in the US enjoys being fucked over, it is obviously not true. You are being tricked into hating your fellow man instead of the demons trying to enslave us both.
>>737155913>>737155921>NOT MY UBISHIT MMOOOOO!
>>737155682>Also, making IP owners comply with new standards is not an infringement of IP rights either.Anon, changing IP rights is literally an infringement of rights.
>>737155947this but unironically
>>737155864These are the same people who scream bloody murder if you legally rip your playstation or Nintendo games bought on PSN or the eshop/virtual console, because heaven forbid you want to enjoy them via emulation, on a system that hasn't been discontinued. Sure they'll argue that "they didn't take the stores down!" but they sure as hell don't want you playing those games on modern consoles. For no reason PSN games bought on the PS3 aren't allowed to be played on the Ps4 or PS5, EVEN IF IT'S JUST EMULATED CLASSICS. There is no reason for that other than maliciousness.
>>737155969>this but unironicallyYep, just virtue signaling.
>>737155841Fine doesnt cut it for the most lucrative IP in the world.And it still was a way shittier version than the originals.
>>737155957So are osha requirements. It's probably good some of them are there.
>>737155864European courts fortunately do not concern themselves with what you consider gay or not anon.>Seems like common sense that isn't hurting anybody.Cool that this is what it seems like to you. I'd disagree.
>>737155957IP rights are not absolute, nor are they exempt from regulation. They are and have always been conditional, and limited to what the law lays out, whatever it may be.
>>737155897Ok but yes we are getting remakes that often, especially when a console releases or when there's a lull in a game release cycle. So yes they are doing it already, you just aren't paying attention to the ones getting remakes. Not everything is as high profile as Xenoblade X or Demons Souls. Anyway none of that other shit was what I was talking about so I'm ignoring it, don't steer the conversation into something else. I am talking about the remakes bit, not that other shit.
>>737144529>late stage capitalismLate Stage Capitalism outlasted any communist regime what emerged meanwhile
>>737156050To some extent they do since stop killing games is there now and anon with a cat folder is not.
>>737155678Just don't die in dire maul, be based like pirate.
>>737155930social media algorithms bury your stuff if you say bad words
>>737156004I mean it's not new-gen sales but if you actually look at the official numbers it did as expected sales wise compared to other ones.
>>737142714He cleaned up well, half you never left your parent's house, fuck off.
>>737156093>but yes we are getting remakes that oftenNo, no we aren't. Until we get like 30 remakes a year to the point where they're out numbering new releases it hasn't happened.
>>737155957So are building codes IP infringement?Car recalls?Food safety standards? Is it infringement if a company is forced to stop putting poison in their bread, as someone brought up earlier?
>>737142714I am sick of posts like thisis it falseflagging, or literally corporate grunts paid to shill and misconstruct?
>>737152492And of karl jobber too.
>>737156119My apologies, I must've missed the part where they discussed sexual orientations during the hearing. Surely you're not merely referencing conversations happening between various voices in your head.
>>737155768>Some modders made excellent romhacks on the basses of the gen 1-5 games, way better than anything gamefreak has shat out in a decade.The sad part is that there isn't a single one as good as an actual game. Most are just reshuffles with poorly made edits
>>737151023>sound indian the entire timeLike Chet or Thor.
>>737156283Imagine unironically thinking that companies own the concept of bread.
>>737156293Neither. Most of it is pathological contrarianism by demoralized chuds. They are hopeless and their source of joy is their hopelessness
>>737156326That's just, like, your opinion man.
>>737156257And that would happen...why? No seriously, explain why that would happen or how that would be sustainable instead of consumers experiencing fatigue and ceasing purchases of them because they ran the well too dry of properties people care about to remake. Legitimately, if that happened to that degree they'd run out of feasible ones to remake with a potential audience. And I am assuming you mean REMAKE remake, not remasters or updated rereleases.
>>737155302Oh wow some furry that shoves ferrets up his ass that's soooooo interesting kiwitroon pleeease flood the catalog with his ugly fucking mug some more you've got another JustinRPG on your hands
>>737156283NTA but I don't think you understand that there's an inherent difference between things that can cause harm and a piece of entertainment.Not to mention no one owns the concept of a building, a car or bread, while one can own the concept of a character and the code a game is made with in the same way one can own the words of a book.Basically regulation exists so retards like you can't kill yourself, not to protect you from your own inability to read.
>>737156380They do, that's why you're being sold indigestible goyslop.
>>737156489>while one can own the concept of a character and the code a game is made withThat doesn't give you the right to destroy someone's copy of a game that they bought. If you're gonna do that, you better refund them.
>>737156293It's 5% people who actually think about the ramifications of SKG and 95% falseflagging and bots used by pro SKGfags who are paid to misconstrue. It's obvious because no one is trying to misrepresent pro SKG arguments but any time someone poses an anti-skg one they're called a bot, Indian, American or they're hounded as someone defending a corporation
>>737149031>VHS playerYou're not 28. It's called a VCR. Anyone who had one back then knows this.
>>737156380>>737156489That's the point I'm trying to make here. That's the argument catanon is trying to push. Adhering to new regulations, such as a new consumer protection legislation, has nothing to do with IP rights.
>>737156603It does when you're knowingly buying it with that functionality. It's not being added after the fact that that's the important part, it was always an online game and as such your game isn't being destroyed it's functioning exactly as they said it would.
>>737156660>Adhering to new regulations, such as a new consumer protection legislation, has nothing to do with IP rights.Anon, the changes made would alter the rights over creative works. You can't separate the two as much as you want to try.
>>737142714GAMING IS DISEASED! Rotten to the core. There's no saving it - we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN!
>>737155461There was a lot of cross talk in general about how fucky gaming is getting, and comparing it to other industry business matters like right to repair and digital marketplace factors. Unlike a US congress hearing that get anal-retentively super bitchy about the smallest thing, they were general discussion as actually-aware delegates with prior knowledge on similar topics. Suffice to say even if SKG isn't shooting high, the EU is very much aware of the industry consumer practices over the past few years.
>>737156667It doesn't matter. You're no longer allowed to do that. You WILL make it so I can continue playing my game. Alternatively, you will be stripped of the right to stop me from reverse engineering it. If you don't comply with either, I will destroy your game with EU regulations.The customer is now the king, and the corporation is the slave. Now get on your knees and start sucking.
>>737156731Explain in detail how this legislation would affect an IP owner's right to copy, distribute or license their game.
They're afraid
>>737155947>Online onlyCool, as long as I have online access I will be able to play for as long as I want
Maybe if game companies>didn't take 15 years (Bethesda) to make their games>didn't chase the Fortnite dragon (Blizzard)then they wouldn't be stuck between charging $100 for games or forcing the player to open their wallet every 10 minutes
Roblox
>>737156904Anon, are you really asking how forcing an IP owner to hand over a portion of their IP, in this case any code related to server creation which is one of the demands of SKG, in the event that they can't or do not want to support their game would affect their IP?Do you know what intellectual property is?
>>737157024Did licenses working like that appear to you in a dream?
>The incoherent ramblings of SKG supporters, constantly misrepresenting criticism of SKG put forth, is not making sense to other anons they screech at either
>>737156847>The customer is now the king, and the corporation is the slave. Now get on your knees and start sucking.And that's a good thing, unironically
>>737157136You are either a corpo shill or a jeet
>>737146917anyone who unironically uses the term "caste" is indian therefore your opinion is invalid
>>737157093You do realize that SKG is not asking developers to provide source code, right? One does not need to provide source code in order to patch a game to work offline, or make a server emulator binary available for download. Nobody is being asked to hand over any kind of intellectual property.
>>737157093>Anon, are you really asking how forcing an IP owner to hand over a portion of their IP,>Owning a product you bought, which was common practice for 90% of the gaming industry's history, will destroy the gaming industryWhen mental illness speaks, listen
>>737157178Or you know, just a garden variety troll grazing the fertile fields
>>737142714gaming is unkillable
>>737157136They do understand, they just know SKG won't negatively impact them as they're not IP holders.
>>737157237Who said anything about the source code?Address what was said instead of making things up
>>737157317>they just know SKG won't negatively impact them as they're not IP holders.So now you guys are saying that it affects IP, can you lot make up your minds?
>>737157353>in this case any code related to server creation
>>737157397I'm anti-SKG.
>>737157136>>737157397I want to keep playing the game I bought. You have no right to dictate. End of discussion.
>>737157440>I want to keep playing the game I bought.But mmos are licenses though?
>>737157416I shouldn't be surprised by this.Of course you would think that all code is the source code of a game, SKG supporters aren't exactly known for their tech literacy.
>>737157416Thats not source code you mentally defective subhuman brown faggot.Curse vishnu RIGHT NOW.
>>737156324This sounded better in your head I think.
>>737157545>>737157557Well if it's not then that's not your "IP".
>>737157440You started and ended a discussion that noone but yourself was having. Good job retard.People of more than double digit IQ's are pondering on the matters regarding purchases of limited access licenses instead. Do keep to yourself.
>>737157353Then pray tell, what code are YOU referring to? Patching a game is not transferring ownership of an IP. Providing a pre-compiled binary is not transferring ownership of an IP.
>>737157512People bought a product.
>>737157545You mixed the script, rajesh. Retards that thinks setting up a server is using the source code are subhuman anti skg. You are fired and will be replaced by another retarded subhuman in a few minutes
>>737157440If you want to play the game you bought then don't buy a game knowing it can be killed. You literally have no grounds in that situation because you bought it knowing it needed online verification.You can't even claim ignorance because any time it happens sites are flooded with news that it is, like the new James bond game for instance.
>>737157615Don't worry, I'll fight for your right to keep your cardboard box, retard.
>>737157615No. That's just a client installer version 1.0 and a KEY which is LICENSE you enter on your battlenet ACCOUNT.
>>737157592>limited access licenses insteadTime to make those illegal. ;)
>>737157589Yes, yes it is. All code falls under copyright but not all code is the source code.How are you this stupid?
>>737157615I always say this in the shartmart and wondered who the gay purple dude wasNever found out
>>737157647thankfully SKG will kill their ability to kill games
>>737157647Nah, I'm just gonna lobby the government to throw people in jail if they try to kill their game. I haven't bought a live service game in 20 years, but I want them to suffer anyway.
>>737157615Ross did say MMOs weren't covered by this, didn't he?
>>737157643>Retards that thinks setting up a server is using the source code are subhuman anti skgSo you're saying this guy >>737157416>>737157589Is anti-skg? Because he's the only one who thought that.
>>737157108Licenses? I'm talking about video games man
>>737157691So how does the basic operation of a computer not violate your copyright when it's all about copying data around?
>>737157753There's nothing stopping you from launching your mmo client and looking at your login screen. It's just that the serves don't work anymore.
>>737157743Probably, I just hate this avatarfagging shill
>>737157687>Time to make them mandatoryftfy
>>737157756Because of licences you retard.You have a licence to use the operating system in a private setting just like a game, book, movie etc.
>>737157743Yet he's still crying about the crew?
>>737157841If it's sitting on my hard drive it's mine to do with what I want.
>>737157723It won't, SKG doesn't prevent subscriptions and having a set date still means that they can kill a game, both are things that can still happen if SKG is implemented as is. The latter is probably what they're going to go with since people like you would lack the ability to not buy from corporations.
>>737157836If you try, I'll just jailbreak them.
>>737157891we're in agreement there, just don't cry about the missing server code that the game requires to work
>>737157891Yeah, privately. The minute you share your modifications that aren't a part of the options built into the PS you would be violating copyright.Unless of course you're using an open source OS
>>737157691So when I get a new update for Deadlock, does that mean Valve gave me partial ownership of their IP? When I install a dedicated CS2 server, do I now own part of the Counter Strike IP?
>>737157974Just don't cry when the government comes to push your shit in for your anti consumer practices.
>>737144757Ignoring is not enough. Paypigs should be killed.
>>737157926That's not how games with 90%+ of the content server side work.
>>737158016Does anyone have that leftist discourse image because this anon is the epitome of that.
>>737158053You are the paypig anon
>>737158063Then I'll just download the content from the server when a DEI hire inevitably sends the data to some third party email, ala the avatar movie.
>>737158117Then help me understand. What is the difference in IP ownership between getting a patch/running a server for CS2 and getting a patch/running a server for The Crew?
>>737154676>>737152236do you have another word for "the time in american history where - >the wealth gap between rich and poor was worse than the french revolution>housing prices have caused average age of first time buyer to increase to 40>global pedophile ring unveiled and administration is so limp dick we have had zero charges in over 6 years>continually shrinking list of available services, virtually all shifting to subscription based models with zero recourse, huge losses in privacy like, sure, whatever, "late stage capitalism" is reddit phrasing, but "shit is really bad" fails to even address what is bad, or how bad it really is> but we have grub hub and you can buy a tv (that spies on you with microphones and cameras in your own house) for 180$!fuck off boomer, average down payment for a house is more than what it cost to buy a house in full 50 years ago
>>737158162Yeah you're gonna run server clusters at home bro and without paying the licenses for the third party components that make up the server. Just keep staring at a login screen as you seethe, bro.
>>737158151>y-you buy full price game it's the samekys
>>737158283Anon really buckbroke this seething mmo paypig.
>>737158279>Yeah you're gonna run server clusters at home bro and without paying the licenses for the third party componentsWorks with Phantasy Star Online. ;)
>>737158354Where? On a reverse engineered private server?
>>737157852The Crew could be played by itself and had an unused offline mode in the game. It's pretty much just the authenticator service that's dead.
>>737157806But I'm online, I meet the criteria of the sticker that says online only. You're saying the problem would be something else now? That the game server has just been turned off?
>>737158445>shoulda woulda couldaSour grapes.
>>737158204Anon, it's not that hard to understand. Server binaries are code. Code is covered by copyright.Any game that doesn't natively support personal servers would require those server binaries to be released under SKG.Ergo SKG is forcing developers to hand over an IP that they own.
>>737158476Sorry buddy, but your license has been revoked.
>>737158501server binaries are not source code. they are compiled.stupid retarded nigger jeets don't know these things
>>737158501>doesn't natively support personal serversWell then sounds like you have some work to do faggot.
>>737158501Have you cursed vishnu yet, Rajeesh ?
>>737158525>just replace the third party server components retroactively, for free and compile the binaries for me so I can't play an mmo offlineRetard alert!!
>>737158602We were aware of your retardation the moment you made the thread :-)
>>737158602>House builder crying that he's just so oppressed for being made to comply with building regulations as it is le hard
>>737158501Providing compiled binaries doesn’t transfer IP ownership. Unless you want to admit that I now own partial IP rights to every single steam game I have ever purchased.
>>737158602>he doesn't even know what a binary is
>>737158525>server binaries are not source code>>737157691>All code falls under copyright but not all code is the source code.I don't understand why you still think that all code is the source code, literally no one but you is talking about the source code.>stupid retarded nigger jeets don't know these thingsThat's the only thing you've gotten right today, you DON'T know these things.
>>737158626>WeYour discord?>>737158643>renovate my house for free!>>737158686>binaries just are and compiling is not how you make a binaryUh-huh.
>>737158686a social construct?
>>737158759>>737158761>>737158778jeet gets triggered and starts samefagging HARD with phonesLMAOstupid pajeets lmaoeventually your job will be replaced by ONE higher caste dude running AI.
>>737158761>The government came to fuck my ass because I didn't comply with building regulations oh woe is me won't somebody think of the cowboy builders!
>>737158817>gets btfo'd repeatedly>copes by calling everyone jeets
>>737158853>saaaar I btfoed you do not respond!
>>737158817Your caste doesn't matter outside of India anon. Even if you're a granishkadope or whatever dumbass name it is you're still just a subhuman to us.
>>737158921>jeet is so angry he forgot which side he was arguingmany such cases
>>737158886If you weren't btfo'd you wouldn't be avoiding the argument.
>>737158817>>737158921Jeets are know for talking about professional server components and not jeetware.>casteYeah, you're a jeet brownoid.>>737158819>I bought a license and was using a service, but I change my mind now#metoo
>>737158942You're the tech illiterate Indian anon.
>>737158970>But the customer bought the house so it's alright, right, mr government? No goverment not the ass aaaaahhhhhhhhhh
>>737158947>saaar stop reminding me of my failureszero izzat>>737158970>saaar jeets are for very professional>saaar I change my mind now>>737158992>SAAAR YOU THE INDIA NOT ME SAARhe is so pissed his english is falling apart LMAO
>>737159025The fuck izzat?
>>737159043>suddenly becomes a newfagjeet got so mad his memory broke
>>737159020Read the eula next time before you cry rape after consenting.>>737159025>>saaar jeets are for very professional>>saaar I change my mind nowYou really got that from my post, jeet?
>>737159067I've been here since 2005, izzat isn't a 4chan word.
>>737158759He's bringing up source code because being forced to hand over source code to the public WOULD be infringing on the IP owner's rights. But as I have stated on multiple occasions, no one is being asked to hand over their source code. It is completely possible to comply with what SKG is asking for without releasing any source code to the public.
>>737159104>No really mr goverment they bought it so my non compliance with regulations is actually compliance!>No that didn't make sense to me either>Please no not the ass
>>737159104>saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar stop noticing my engrish is very bad!lmao>>737159121>saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar I am very old fag I do not know this indian memephrase
>>737159043Google says it's Indian for honor.Basically he's a pajeet calling other people pajeets.
>>737159160People have been making memes about it for over a year now, newfag.because retarded pajeets keep fucking up and making it obvious they are shills paid for by corpos
>>737159138How many times are you going to ignore this?>All code falls under copyright but not all code is the source code.
>>737159203Its a pajeet being paidHe will ETERNALLY ignore it.You could rape his sister in front of him and he would ignore it.He wouldn't even ask for a turn.
>>737159201>for over a yearMeaning it's new and used exclusively by Indians since actual humans won't know what that even means.
>>737159121It's jeet, mudslime, kiwitroon, etc. nu-brownoidspeak where they basically talk about being better than each other.>i'm not like the other brownoids>>737159147Whining like a faggot won't bring back your faggy mmo back. Better learn2code and do it yourself because they ain't gonna dmca your server emulator, but they will dmca your p2w servre.
>>737159243>uses google>thinks "actual humans" wouldn't have googled italright so newfags aren't human.thanks for confirming that, dumbass.>>737159248we are aware of the meaning, pajeet :)
>>737159248>Yeah well what if I just don't comply with regulations mr government what then huh?>Oh god my ass please stop
>>737159203Providing compiled code does not transfer ownership of IP. It does not affect the IP owner's rights to copy, distribute or license their IP. It does not violate their IP. I do not own the Witcher IP just because I bought and downloaded Witcher 3.>>737159238I am not the jeet.
>>737159287I get it man, you're better than the other browns even though you're also sub 80 iq and you don't understand what compiling is.>>737159291Better learn about how licenses and services work instead of writing these cringe ass homoerotic fantasies.
>>737159327I didn't call you a jeet.
>>737155010so this is just all one giant shitpost as always.
>>737159360>saaaaaaar do not compile the binaries!
>>737159201>People have been making memes about it for over a year now, newfag.The first instances of "izzat" on this board were corruption of "is that". The Indian version didn't appear until November of last year according to the archives so no it hasn't even been a year.
>>737159360>Yeah well I went and wrote my own laws what now mr government>...It's another ass fucking isn't it?
>>737159393What's a binary executable, jeet?>>737159412Git gud, faggot.
>>737159327>Providing compiled code does not transfer ownership of IPAnon being forced to relinquish your code is literally affecting your right to defend your property.
>>737159443its NOT source code so hand it over, corpo scum :-)
>>737159443Tell it to the actual law.
>>737158482Sour grapes is looking at someone with something that's awesome and saying it must actually be shit to cope with feelings of fomo. What does that have to do with this?
>>737159201Actually, this is a better image. You can see the sudden shift when you Indians started posting.
>>737159458Sharing binaries containing third party licensed server cluster components is not legal, that's why you need to replace them with alternatives.>>737159460 The law should explain to your what a service or a license is.
>>737159592>not legalwrong, stupid pajeet :-)
>>737159592See EU regulation #1897623782387. Oh you're going to get cute? Well then your company is getting shut down.
>>737159647no third party stuff used, denied, stupid jeet :-)better luck next time, retarded corpo shill
>>737159451In what way? The IP owner still owns the code, still controls its distribution, and can still sue anyone who copies or distributes it without permission. No one is being given access to the underlying IP who didn’t already have a license, and nothing about an end of life requirement changes who is allowed to use or redistribute the game’s copyrighted material.
>>737159675>Yeah but no but muh IPVery cute. You will comply or else.
I was always under the impression that for the bulk of this it was about having them disable the obnoxious DRM that cockblocked you from playing even singleplayer titles
>>737159605Cope, seethe & dilate hydra eunuch.>>737159647Still haven't learned to be an informed customer? Sorry, daddy gubmint can't fix metal retardation.
>>737159738>>737159749>saaar you will complyyyyy!!!!Nope.another argument DEBOOOONKED
>>737159682>In what way?Simple, because once you knowingly release it that can be used as a argument against you in court if you want to take down something that uses your code. Basically>WHY DIDN'T YOU GO AFTER THESE GUYS! YOU'RE SINGLING ME OUT!is actually a valid argument in court and it's why Tommy Wiseau lost his case regarding that documentary about the room.
>>737159779Then you will face the consequences of failing to comply with regulations. It will be expensive.
>>737159802Yes, VERY expensive for you niggers once you lose your jobs :-)no more need for corpo shills once they lose the SKG case and automate your job with AI
>>737159779You're gonna have to learn2code to reverse engineer the server from scratch only using the client api and logs posted by players to estimate and guess how the game actually worked. Good luck, jeet tranny.
>>737159831I don't think you grasp the situation here. You are the one getting fucked by the big dick of the law.
>>737159872Nope :-)the law is gonna be stop killing games, and YOU are getting replaced.get fucked.
>>737159831>AIAI can't fix stupid, it can only help with boilerplate and new language release version summary. Sorry, claude won't be making your server emulator.
>>737159738I'm not on the avatarfag's side but honestly what's the "or else" doing here?They tried to force 4chan to pay fines for telling them to go fuck themselves with the age verification shit and they received one AI generated hamster picture in return.Aside from EA Sports and similar game groups the bulk of yuros play online via digital distro platforms that are less affected by this, and even then you're mostly just going to get compliance from purveyors of german job simulators.
>>737159893No really I think you are genuinely confused as to who you are even talking to.
>>737159915AI doesn't need to fix stupid.YOU shills are plenty stupid and are thus easily replaceable :-)
>>7371599164chan can get away with it due to not having any operations in Europe. If they did they would not.
>>737159939You don't even know what a binary executable is, retard.
>>737159917>saaaar I am not a shill now stop with the SKG and give up on the server binariesnope
>>737159968no, YOU don't know, stupid shill :-)a .exe file is a .exe file.you get one whenever you download a digital game :-)
>>737159956I guess, but it does seem like it only would affect a portion of the companies that it should.
>>737160029You got a game server in the EU? Oh dear looks like you need to comply with European law now. Whoops.
>>737160024>a .exe file is a .exe file.>you get one whenever you download a digital game :-)lol, lmao even
>>737159592>licensed server cluster componentsNot sure what you retards are babbling about but I happen to be an IT infrastructure engineer who maintains 4 government datacenter and not a single piece of clustering software I've interacted with requires a license to obtain or share. They're all open source and they have very Israeli contracts associated with that you sign when you purchase a support agreement that state you can't use it in a way that violates the terms of the agreement. So while legally, provided you sign ZERO contract, you can install say... vmware on a 256 core cluster and run a fully featured virtualized environment all you want. If you PURCHASE support it is purchased in 32 CPU bundles (32 cores per CPU socket) licensing for virtualization. And if you exceed those counts you've violated the contract which makes you liable to a lawsuit. However if you DON'T sign there is technically nothing they can do to you. Share and use away! Same goes for Proxmox, RHEL OpenShift and even "technically" hyperV (though that is free for extremely different reasons and a different kind of "free"). Even Nutanix which is proprietary you can't be penalized for sharing binaries. That isn't to say King Jew Broadcom isn't trying everything in their bog-witch-money-grubber power to carve up vmware into something they could potentially send dispatch a Mossad hit-squad after you for sharing files. It doesn't exist yet. You can grab both vSphere and ESXI all over the web (from hardware vendors or the cryptokikes themselves) and do as you please without fear of reprisal as an individual. It is only a problem for profit based businesses and government agents... kinda. But not really.
>>737160072>shill doesn't know what a binary executable is>pretends to know>gets confused over .exe extensionspathetic.
>>737160080>not a single piece of clustering software I've interacted with requires a license to obtain or share.>They're all open sourceStop lying nigger.
>>737160109>>a .exe file is a .exe file.Binaries grow on trees that are on the sidewalk of your designated shitting street, right?
>>737160112>shill gets bushwhacked by an actual pro after lying for half an hour about .exe files... without knowing that they were .exe files>freaks out
>>737160080>They're all open sourceOkay? If its open source then why the fuck do you think it's relevant to the conversation? The whole point of open source development is that ownership was relinquished.And yes, it was relinquished because any creative work is given a copyright by default as soon as you put it up somewhere.
>>737160237>shills desperately try to muddy the water now that their entire point of argumentation got torpedoed
>>737160220>I'm a hecking pro>what's a licensed server componentGo back to /g/, retard.
>>737160259btw shill, >>737160080 ACTUALLY "btfoed" you :-)
>>737159784Except so long as you don’t provide the source code, end users don’t have access to the underlying code or any rights to it in the first place. They only receive compiled binaries, which does not transfer ownership or expose the underlying code. And once again, it doesn't transfer any ownership of the IP. Unless you want to argue that I now own the Witcher 3 IP.
>>737158268You are trying to discuss with a monkey, anon. Don't bother
>>737160298they don't even know what a .exe file is anon
>>737160297Be blew the fuck outed me? It's BTFO, jeet. There is no "ed" suffix.
>>737160353>shill fumbles his keys in rage
>>737160367>is that a hecking typoYou don't understand how words or sentences work for that matter. Better learn the acronym before using it in a sentence, okay?
>>737160258You didn't torpedo anything. You just brought up something irrelevant be cause open source software isn't owned.
>>737160402>>737160410>stupid newfag shill can't tell who is whoLMAO
>>737160298>Except so long as you don’t provide the source codeNo one mentioned the source code. What's your obsession with the source code? We're talking about the code for the server.
>>737160438>>>737160402(You)>>>737160410>>stupid newfag shill can't tell who is who>LMAO
>>737160298>They only receive compiled binariesAnon, that's literally code.
>>737160449How did the end user get access to the server code if all they got was server_emulator.exe?
>>737160449>stupid shill full on panics and forgets people can scroll back up>>737160476>tard rages
>>737160058What if it's a global server?
>>737160492Anon, how do you think that emulator was made?
>>737160502Sorry jeet.
>>737160512If it's not physically located nearby then it will have terrible ping which is obviously a bad thing for an online game.
>>737160527so when you get sold a game and you open up the .exe to play the game, did they sell you their source code, retard?
>>737160237>If its open source then why the fuck do you think it's relevant to the conversationWhy are you asking me that you inbred buffoon? You're the sped that gave an example of "licensed server cluster components." I merely responded to your statement. This is your problem to deal with not mine. I have no skin in this game, just breaking up a 'tard fight. Haven't posted a single reply but this post and >>737160080.Don't go rambling off nonsense on a topic you know less than nothing about if you don't want to feel foolish.
>>737160502Anon, there's only one person other than you talking about the source code and he was talking about something else.
>>737160595>saaaaar wat iz source code nobody mentioned source code>SAAAAR THAT WAS SOMEONE ELSE IT WAS DIFFERENTthis one is definitely getting fired
>>737160546Wouldn't that be something they'd be willing to put up with? The megacorp I mean, not the customers.
>>737160567>You're the sped that gave an example of "licensed server cluster components."That's >>737160112 (Me) you stupid fucking retard.
>>737160567>This is your problem to deal with not mineYou are aware that you're the one who has to tie this into the conversation we're having right? It's not my point to fix, it's yours.>. I have no skin in this game, just breaking up a 'tard fight.Not only did you join the fight you became the biggest retard in it for both not having a reason to join and not understanding the conversation in the first place.
>>737160638The customers? No. They'll go play a game that doesn't lag.
>>737160630What.Are you trying to say you're someone else now? What even is this sperg out you're having?
>>737160658Idk man I've seen people put up with whatever their overtaxed laptop could run and there's a lot of those there.
>>737160638Sorry I have a hangover. If the customers don't play the game then the company doesn't make money.
>>737160527By examining the exposed client api?
>>737160698>shill is so mad they forgot how to read their second language
>>737160720I think it depends on the game. Sports fans have Pokemon fan level standards.
>>737160489Ok, so how am I supposed to use this code in my project? How do I steal it within the confines of my software license?>>737160527By compiling the source code into a binary. That does not transfer ownership of the IP. I do not own the Counter Strike IP just because I downloaded the dedicated server binaries.
>>737160719you saw your fellow shitty thirdworlders.
Well, we're on page 10.Everyone who's undecided on this matter, please look at this thread and see how "pro" SKG posters act.
>>737160779What sort of game would anyone want to play if it ran like shit?
>>737160820I'm not a thirdie...I just went to uni with a lot of students barely scraping by.
>>737160830Indeed, they laughed at the retarded shills and even tried to educate them on what .exe files were sadly anti-skg shills are really REALLY stupidTotal SKG victory :-)
>>737160813>That does not transfer ownership of the IP. I do not own the Counter Strike IPAnon, the source code for the game and the code for the server aren't the same thing but code, regardless of what it's used for, is still considered a creative work and as such it's protected by copyright.In other words you have:The counter strike IPAnd the server code IP as two separate IPs
>>737160645I can see I'm talking to someone with a very troubled mind. Carry on then but please consider taking your medication. You'll push everyone at with this kind of deranged victimized mindset. This was fun. Not everyday I get to talk about work on 4chinz. But back to Pragmata. I suggest you take my advice about avoiding the use of anything related to servers for an argument since you have no knowledge of it and there are most certainly autists like me who build and datacenters worth 10s of millions of dollars for a living. I'm embarrassed for you and I don't like that. Enjoy your drop-out neet-fight!
>>737160849Case in point
>>737160831When I was like 10 years old I played multiplayer off dialup and lemme tell you I was...well I wasn't grateful for it and dropped it to play some genesis game but I did come back to it sometimes.And when I was slumming it at my grandma's with a busted craptop I limited fps to 10 just so it wouldn't engage in thermal shutdown. Standards change in times of desperation.
>>737160849>them What happened to we and us, bro? Did you shit yourself when your discord on your gay website was posted?>>737160891Yeah, no such thing as licensed third party compontents. Be sure to tell your blog and /g/ all about it.
>>737160935IndeedI am happy to provide you will all the scorn you deserve!You are just salty I threw mud back in your shit-covered face
>>737160891Thanks carl, enjoy your loli game
>>737160964If it's all there is then sure you make do but in this case you have plenty of other options.
>>737160979Yeah you really did that by proving the point, didn't ya.
>>737160890That's not how IP works. There is no separate “server IP” and “game IP”, just different copyrighted components owned by the same rights holder. None of this changes the core point that end of life requirements don’t transfer ownership, licensing rights, or control over the underlying IP.
>>737161191>That's not how IP worksThat's literally how IP works and that's what you said right here.>just different copyrighted components owned by the same rights holder. Being owned by the same person/group etc doesn't mean that they're the same IP. That's like saying the source engine is TF2's IP.
>>737161191>There is no separate “server IP” and “game IP”,Of course there is you dumbass. IP doesn't mean title or unique character. Intellectual property applies to any creative or inventive idea regardless of if they're combined or not.
>>737161290>Being owned by the same person/groupnobody said that though, retarded shill :-)you made that up because you are in the wrong and paid to lie
>>737161371>by the same rights holder.You literally said that.This is from your post.Why try to lie when the thread is dropping off anyway? Did you want the last post to show how retarded you are or something?
>>737161427>retarded shill fails at english again>fails to see multiple people are talking to themDEFINITELY fired after this lmao
>>737161427Don't try to make sense of Indian shills, they're here to shitpost and distract first.
>>737161458why are you replying to yourself? :-)
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