Honest thoughts on Dark Souls 3 10 years later? How does it hold up after Elden Ring?
>>737151451it's liner shit ano
>>737151451A perfect end to the trilogy Demon's Souls started.
>>737151451I like it. It's still my least favorite. I still like it though.
>>737151582that alone makes it better than elden ring
>>737151451its OK. Im playing it now.Things i like>smithing stones drop like crazy, being guaranteed drops off of some respawnable enemies, so i can experiment more freely without grinding as much.>level design is decent>some of the bosses are cool.>nice variety of spellsThings I dont like>lack of poise, (i know I know, pvp fags hate poise)>lock on has a super short range (wtf, i barely ever use lock on and mostly use it for using ranged attacks but its so short in 3?)>some spammy enemies>progress to far and break quests randomly, worse than Elden Ring in that regard.>some "secrets" are just annoying, like I can see an item on a ledge and i know I have to climb a ladder then jump over a thing and walk along the ramp because i can clearly see thats what you have to do I dont feel clever or perceptive for getting the item it feels like the game just added a chore, in some cases.
I don't know what I'm doing buildwise (I forgot how hollowshit works) and enemies enemies being basically unstaggerable, unlike ER, is shit, but it's playable. I'd never go back tho. ER and beyond for life.
>>737152094>if i have to set my own goals and figure things out for myself its bad!you arent beating the NPC allegations.
Start was great but by the end everything just felt so samey; same boss designs, same enemy designs, nothing really stood out as unique. I remember Lothric Castle, the poison swamp, the cave, and the snow areas which I liked, but I could draw a map of Dark Souls 1/2/Bloodborne with no reference and probably get everything right while I couldn't possibly do the same for 3
If Dark Souls is Ocarina of Time and Dark Souls II is Wind Waker, Dark Souls III is Twilight Princess. Personally, I like Twilight Princess.
>>737152306>Elden Ring>set your own goalsSuch as? Riding your magic horse through empty fields killing the same wolves and ghouls for 150 hours? Getting into the same copy pasted Oblivion-style dungeons?>figure things out for myselfER has the most straightforward questlines in all of Souls games. You have to be a massive retard to miss any of them
>>737152094Fuck you.
>>737151451i played ds3 when it came out and i didn't understand. i just got my head caved in over and over on the high wall of lothric. i put it down without ever making it to vordt. then after elden ring i came back and really enjoyed it. i think the best place was probably around cathedral of the deep because of how well it linked back into itself.ds3 good.
>>737152440t- wiki gamer
>>737151451Better than Elden Ring because it's just the fun part (dungeons) without having to mindlessly cross vast distances between them.>>737152306>>737152443Wow you're really butthurt.
I have played both recently and it holds well. Basically this last months soulslop is almost only games I have been playing and I have never played any of them before.Here is my rank on all soulslop I have played from top to downElden Ring (Kino)DS3 (Kino)Wuchang (Thanks anon on /v/ for recommending it to me. annoyances like only 4 tools and magic/feathering should work with more weapons imo)Lords Of Fallen 2.5 (only umbral mechanic sucked)Lies Of P (It was good but atmosphere with Pinocchio shit ruined it a bit wish it had a more of a dark setting)Wukong not soulslop but close enough ( A lot of weird shit in it both good and bad)DS2 (yeah its not that bad with 2 mods that fixes controls + graphics)BloodBorne (Yeah its okay but dont understand why ppl love it so much the last boss was fucking hard, fuck him and fuck that you cant respec character, so I had to install cheatengine for thatDS1 (old jank maybe I should have checked NexusMods and it would have fixed it, but back in time it was prob Kino)--not good onesKhazan (overrated Soulless shit)Mortal Shell played because second looks amazing, it was short and kinda bad Bleak Faith
>when I first played itHated that it was slower than Bloodborne. Fuck the linearity. Fuck redniggers that destroyed the balance for PvERs. Fuck no poise. Fuck poison swamps. Fuck samey magic. Fuck covenenat item drop rates. Fuck demon ruins. Fuck harald knights Rest is fine. >nowFuck no poise. Fuck linearity.
>>737152129>smithing stoneholy newfag
>>737152945>no love for BB>hating on Khazan and Mortal ShellIf I saw you I would legit throw a fucking brick at you.
>>737153175He's right about mortal shell though, it was shit
>>737153304Why?
It's the least remarkable of the Dark Souls trilogy.1 does everithing right and is only held back by being first and not having the various incremental improvements in gameplay and QoL.2 tries to be very different, but is also very flawed3 is just there, a shadow of 1 without the uniqueness of 2, but the shadow of titan still causes awe, it's got the bloodline
Honestly who cares if the areas aren't interconnected? As long as you can explore inside the area, that's all that matters. 1 > 3 > ER > 2. ER's legacy dungeons are okay, but everything else is a chore.
>>737153398Low quality and boring
>>737153175BB was fine no hate for it, it was still good gameMortal Shell is not that bad for a 3 man devs and the atmosphere in it was really nice! But we are being fair here and comparing it with big boys, the last huge map wasnt that well executed and game was kinda short. If we dont compare with others its still okay and upcoming Mortal Shell 2 looks amazingKhazan I cant defend I am sorry you will have to fight me over it, the only good thing with khazan was the skills the rest sucked so much. Side quests reused bosses and i think other places reused bosses and atmosphere in game sucked so much I just couldn't feel it, everything from locations to NPCs was uninteresting to me.Lies of P had similar problem but at least it had some comfy vibes and some soul poured into it and interesting NPCs
>>737153441nah 3 is better than 2
Best game in the trilogy
the series ended on a high note at least after the abortion that was 2
>>737153576True true, only bitches hate that DS triple
>>737151451Has the most fast paced and fun combat of any souls game with some of the very best bosses too. Everything else sucks though, I did not like the level designs and even thinking back to it about 90% of the game was just catacombs or swamps.
>>737153513>low qualityWell it was an indie game. Debatable>boring>there's no fishing gallery shooting horseshoe throwing lookatthatmountainyoucanclimbit 40 minute custsceneNah fuck you.
I like it less and less with time, already thought it was weak on release. Still better than Elden Nig.
>>737151451Fun game. Its just a short high octane jaunt when compared to the rest.DLC on the otherhand is my kryptonite. Ive have soloed every boss in Souls, every fucking boss! I cant beat anyone in the DLC besides the grave warden. I do not understand it at all.Also Siegward of Catarina is the absolute GoaT from from.
>>737153546>last huge map wasnt that well executed and game was kinda short. True>If we dont compare with others its still okayDoes its own thing well imo, comparison is not even a thing for me. Fuck the parry flash forever though.>Mortal Shell 2 looks amazingDamn right >Khazan I cant defend I am sorry you will have to fight me over it, the only good thing with khazan was the skills the rest sucked so much.Loot? Loot. Bosses are spongy>atmosphere in game sucked Oh yeah we fighting, but gentlemanlike.>Lies of P had similar problem but at least it had some comfy vibes and some soul poured into it and interesting NPCsHaven't played yet
>>737153796man it's just a shit game, don't know what to say
>>737152435Why you have to do 2 dirty like that.
My favorite souls game. Enjoyed it more than Elden Ring.
>>737153004Fuck harald knights still. FOUR fire dagger hornet ring ripostes!?
>>737154118Which souls and soukslikes do you like best? What are your favorite ganes outside of souls?
>>737152435>If Dark Souls is Best Zelda and Dark Souls II is the last good 3d zelda, Dark Souls III is liquid shit. Personally, I like liquid shit.huh?
>>737153175>Mortal ShellIt's a dumpster. No idea how they scrapped enough $$$ for a sequel. Prolly some gov gibs.
>>737154174I get it. I rank it middle and Elden Ring top but I get it. Other entries are an experience well DS3 is a game. Go out, have fun.
>>737154285I don't like mortal shell
>>737154296Really? WW over TP huh. TP is mid at best but WW?
It's the only great Dark Souls game and the last great Fromslop game. Only flaw is the lack of a Velka bossfight.
>>737154107Yeah you see good that we agree, you can check my list i played them all recently and ask away if you are interested in any game.What loot? The whole loot mechanism in Khazan felt like AC creed shit. I played only Spear and there was like 2 good sets and one farming set and thats it, the only time i started crafting was in the end because you outleveled you damn gear pretty fast.Well you will like Lies Of P way more or I hope so, because it had way more memorable bosses NPCs and gear.
>>737154314I also rank Dark Souls 2 above Elden Ring.The open world is slop.
what do you mean ten years ago It just came out and I was gonna get around to playing it one d-fuck
>>737154452Loot system sucks. It's like Nioh's.
>>737154368Exploring in WW was enjoyable. One of my favourite parts in zelda games is when you need to find something with minimal clues so you just take a step back and go explore at random.
>>737152945Wuchang really 3rd? Also did they really go bankrupt?You dont have lords of the fallen on here, not sure if thats a mistake. If I hated 1 would I like 2.
>>737154496>.webmamazing
>>737154496>>737154496DS2 is the best in the trilogy. Its unlimited imagination combined with the wisdom of Neitzchie.I still rank it below ER and BB though.Also that gif is fucking awesome.
>>737154937>>737154496I like DS2 the best because of the atmosphere and the semi-linear grand adventure gameplay. ER is too big and overwhelming, it's not as comfy as DS2Also DS2 barely feels like a Souls game at times which makes it even more unique
>>737154643You know what, I retract my incredulity. Im not a fan of WW but it does have the most soul. I love DS2 but its definitely got its gameplay flaws, just so much soul. You were right. I kneel!
Why does nobody ever talk about Sekiro?
>>737154663Yeah I heard they had some issues with Wuchang asked AI and got this "Team Dissolution: Reports indicate the core development team at Leenzee Games has been dissolved after staff refused to transition to an outsourced support role"Such a shame the game was pretty good the way maps connected.Bosses and enemies were good and of great varietySide Content was pretty good although its easy to miss, so you kinda need guides and even with that i missed 2 bosses.Loot with enough variety for different buildsSkill system was pretty decent also with free respecAbout Lords Of Fallen as I know there is an early version but its shit and I never played it, then they released new version of Lords Of Fallen and it have had several major patches and currently have patch called 2.5 and that's the one I played and I've had fun with it.
>>737155130Too hard (for /v/). No build variety.
3 is when From went all in on the "Enemy has a 3 minute long seizure during which you can't attack, has perfect tracking, and reads inputs so the seizure is extended with an animation cancel if you try to attack when it ends" that plagued Elden Ring.
>>737155239Is it really considered harder than the rest?
>>737151691Wut?
>>737155349It's the only one where the gitgud meme actually applies because of its anti-grind anti-cheese design
>>737155130too different to be a soulslike
>>737155321Use a shield and pyromancy, thats what i did. I played souls since ds1 and was there for the "gatekeeping" where we made fun of people for using shields and called spells easy mode. I feel like that kinda made sense when the bosses were super easy just dodging and rolling, but its not fun to "learn" attack timings through trial and error of perfect rolling when enemies are spamming attacks like in 3. I beat pontif dude by using magic shield to block all his damage then a big AoE spell to kill his clone on spawn. Felt super satisfying, that caster bitch who spams spells on you then teleports away with a big 'fuck you' aoe that specifically fucks over melee was also super easy to deal with by chucking a few fireballs at her. Dont feel like fighting a knight? throw some fire at it. Are dogs being super annoying? just hold up a shield and hit them when they recoil. Not sure the timing of that attack? just hold up a shield.
I would've enjoyed it better if it had released as Dark Souls 2, but by the time I played it (last year), I was already tired of the genre.
>>737151451It's the worst Souls game honestly
>>737155349Elden Ring, objectively the most accomodating of the series, was filtering tards on here North South East West and Center. What do you think a game like Sekiro woukd do to those pinkies? Hahahaha.
Dark souls 3 made me very certain about dark souls 1 being the best souls game
>>737155846That's not two.
>>737155906I'd say ER is harder than 2 at least, probably 1 too, but I'd have to play it again to be sure.
>>737155948many are saying this
Game's kind of a mess overall, but it still has some of my favorite bosses in the series. I've started whole playthroughs just to fight the Abyss Watchers or Champion Gundyr again. Hell, something I found really disappointing about Elden Ring is that if they were going to recycle bosses so much, I would have rather they literally dropped a shameless Pontiff Sulyvahn or Nameless King copy down instead of yet another Ulcerated Tree Spirit or Sentinel.
>>737156232i dont think of "Great Enemies" as bosses, i think of them as just regular enemies that take longer to kill, fighting them is cathartic like popping bubble wrap. Its like a nice break to having to learn a new boss, you fight the same 1 with maybe a minor twist which can be kinda comfy when its not some crazy gank fight like 2 watchdogs and 8 gargoyles.
For me the reasons I don't like 3 that much are death by a thousand cuts>very little wiggle room in map progression, as opposed to 1 which was very open to the point you could go to most areas within the first half of the game without killing a single boss, or 2/DeS where you can choose a given 'lane' and progress down that for a given build, made repeat playthroughs very samey>combat is balanced horrendously. the best build in the game by far is a pair of twinblades you start with and some resin. miracles are complete shit until literal endgame, hexes are barely even in the game anymore and are also complete shit (except for the bleed orbs which are HIDEOUSLY broken, bleed is just disgustingly good), poison is shit, slow weapons are shit, heavy armour is shit, bows are shit, crossbows and greatbows are ATROCIOUS>fashion is terrible, not much was really designed with a mix and match attitude. most of the helmets show off your neck, shit textures galore>blatant nostalgiafaggotry, most of the game is 'remember THIS from DeS/DaS1?' to the point of just literally copypasting Siegmeyer and renaming him, and Andre is just THERE, oh my god do you remember Anor Londo guys???>multiplayer is way less interesting than 2, unique covenant interactions and PvEvP stuff got removed in favour of 'here's bog standard invasions three times over with slightly different colours'>gear inclusions piss me off, skipping out on Silver Knight weapons (with the stupidest reason I ever saw coming from a BAMCO HR guy), Ciaran and Gough's gear when their counterparts are in the game>further simplification of the infuse system, also going back on being able to infuse unique gear sucks and further makes the bog standard generic weapons plain better most of the time, not to mention the damage formula that makes split weapons shit returningAs a STR/FAIfag who loved the multiplayer interactions of the previous game it just felt like Miyazaki shitting on me specificallystill a 7/10 thoughever
>>737155976I didn't like DS2 either, but I found it to be a mediocre game at worst while DS3 was a total mess. DS2 is a bad attempt to recapture what was great about Demon's Souls and DS1 whereas DS3 throws everything great about those games out the fucking window
>>737155734Dunno what you're talking about because 3 is when they made all shields except for the heaviest great shields (and even then only with hyper-specific builds) unviable. A middle of the road Medium shield could take anything 1 or 2 could throw at you. In 3 and ER even a fully upgraded top-tier Medium Shield with you having hit the stamina softcap can't take more than a single hit from any boss or even any non fodder enemy, which mind you is meaningless since all attacks are now the aforementioned 3 minute long multi hit seizures. You also mention Pyromancy when 3 ruined it by making it just another spell type for wizards that uses the same wizard stats instead of being item based like in 1&2 (you could technically buff it with stats in 2 but it was tertiary to it's power at best)
>>737157001>poison is shitits ok when you stack them with the poison caster staff, when bosses can be poisoned, a few of them are immune.>slow weapons are shit, heavy armour is shit,they are OK. its more enjoyable to learn the game as a tanky character than a flippy ninja character.>>blatant nostalgiafaggotry, most of the game is 'remember THIS from DeS/DaS1?thats honestly not that bad of a thing considering this is the send off of the series that is suppose to tie everything up for good.> miracles are complete shit until literal endgamethe heals/cures are nice. you can put way more estus in the blue, which allows for more pyro spamming without worry about heals as much. and weapon buffs + raw is crazy good for a lot of the game.
>>737157751>Dunno what you're talking about because 3 is when they made all shields except for the heaviest great shields (and even then only with hyper-specific builds) unviableThis isnt true. You have to upgrade your shields btw. I assume everyone saying this simply never knew that shields are as important to upgrade as weapons. the difference in stamina cost from a few points in stability is very noticeable. Even medium shields in Ds3 will interrupt many lesser enemies attack combos and cause them to rebound and be stunned for a short time making them a million times easier to deal with, espeically when 4-5 are trying to attack you at the same time. Dealing with dogs for example is way easier with a shield. Shields also make it way safer to try and strafe attacks, some attacks you can avoid by simply walking to the side, if you tune it wrong then they will do like 60% of your HP though, but if you hold up a shield it just takes up 40% of your stamina, if you timed it right though you avoid the attack at no cost and can start attacking immediately
I won't shit talk DS3 cause I did enjoy it when it released, but I really haven't been feeling it since DS1. Elden Ring was just a big nothing for me. I assume I won't really be following From much going forward.
>>737155130I really didnt like it. Middle 40% was amazing. End was unpleasantly hard for me but Im being a bitch. That first third before lady butterfly was just atrocious. The gangslop bosses were garbage, and non of the fanboys remember becuase they think there hard for NG demonbelling and are OP for the worst experience ever at the start.
>>737157751>all attacks are now the aforementioned 3 minute long multi hit seizuresI dont think you are right and side with the other guy but you are fucking funny. ER DLC was awful boss fights.
>>737157751>>737158315When did the boss design peak?>Demon's Souls>Dark Souls 1>Bloodborne>Dark Souls 3>Elden Ring>Elden Ring Nightreign
>>737154296WW is a jank, unfinished game with some soul. TP is safe but reliable. Honestly, WW is closer to the first bad Zelda than the last good one.
everyone jerks off the DLC but aside from the bosses it was a horrible slog. Fuck the sniping angels, Fuck the sniping barbarians, Fuck the sniping corvid knights, Fuck the sniping army of ghosts, just fuck everything honestly. Traveling through the DLC is really the most unfun thing about it.
>>737158436>Demon's SoulsIm a big fag that came late. Really didnt like this game. Final boss is in my top 10 though.>Dark Souls 1Not here.>BloodborneYou missed DS2! Both games peaked aesthetically and in lore here. Not gameplay though.>Dark Souls 3DS3 is a videogame, its just fun. Main game was a blast. DLC I cant beat a single boss though and I dont know why after soloing everything else.>Elden RingPeak. GotD. Perfection. My last run was Rapiers, shit weapon but the most fun Ive had in a action game ever.>Elden Ring DLCI swear the rollslop insult got to them. Instead of a "dance" it became a race to to proc well hiding behind a sheild. Rhino and Ghosts were my only fun bosses.>Elden Ring NightreignHaven't played it yet to my shame. See my first sentence.
>>737158436For me its elden ring bosses on release other than ashen capital and beyond. Elden ring does have a few annoying bosses or decent bosses witha few dumb moves that are arguably unfair or stupid, like dual gargoyles poison attack just being annoying and unfun and forcing you to reposition and send half the fight running around if you dont kill the first gargoyle before the second comes.Other than a few attacks that were annoying for the sake of being annoying I think fromsoft peaked in release of elden ring. The bug fixes they made after release (like fixing hit boxes) are good, but the balance changes they made to multiple bosses due to complaints were bad kneejerk reactions that made the fights worse.
>>737158914>but the balance changes they made to multiple bosses due to complaintsExamples?
I unironically think 2 is better than 3 3 looks better, but 2 plays significantly better.3 is some god awful abortion of DaS and BBElden Ring is overrated too.
>>737151451it feels like an elden ring prototype nowadaysexcept for having better weapon movesets than elden ring that is
>>737158969Radahn (both times) got nerfed heavily.If you didn't kill him pre-nerf (both times) you're shit at the game.
>>737158969Multi enemy fights had their AI nerfed across the board.Crystilians were completely butchered. It used to be all 3 attacked you at once in a rythmic pattern and it was one of their best multi boss fights they ever made where you actually fought more than 1 boss at once, not like the fake multi boss fights in some other games where they just tag team you. The crystilians were clearly designed individually to be a part of an attack system where they all attacked together, but they changed it so they dont attack all at once anymore and 1 or two of them will do literally nothing and just stare at you as you fight the other one, making it brain dead easy and just stupid.Godskins also had their heal punish basically removed. you used to have to bait an attack and heal in their recovery frames, now you can freely heal right in front of them and they cant react fast enough to punish you.Ranged enemies also had their accuracy nerfed across the board, with some attack ranges being drastically nerfed, and the enemies not leading you on as accurately anymore so you dont need to dodge or juke them when previous you did.
>>737151451I wish I could skip straight to the last third of the game
>>737151451Still my favorite line-up of bosses in any From game, but my god are 90% of the areas a slog to playthrough, and that kills my will to replay it often. Most of my runs I just run past everything and treat it as a boss rush.Extremely linear progressionStory is just DS1 againLore is shit because it's just nostalgiawank and misery porn for characters and locations from DS1 and 2DLC is fucking abysmal, aside from TRC bosses.Despite being objectively higher quality than DS2, I honestly prefer playing DS2 because the areas feel like they were made to be (somewhat) enjoyed rather than just annoy you.
>>737159189>you used to have to bait an attack and heal in their recovery frames, now you can freely heal right in front of them and they cant react fast enough to punish you.They got rid of that? It fucked me every time but I kind of loved it.
>>737159347yeah you can heal when you are like 5 feet in front of them now and they are so slow you can avoid their "punish". if you are like 10-15 feet or so you can side step it and maybe get a cast off too
>>737159189yeah they completely ruined the crystalliansfrom a boss that you had to fight strategically to something that basically doesn't fight back
