he's literally me
>>737162193You're a black hole of charisma, not the force>>737162193
>>737162510ok then he's metaphorically me
>>737162193>Darth Vore, he could consume the whole galaxy, but he couldn't stop his sub goth girlfriend from banging the exile.
>>737162193He looks absolutely sick sadly he’s not really a character, just a generic movie monster
no anonyou're just FAT
>>737162704unfortunately he ended up against his perfect counter, much like superman falling into a kryptonite quarry.
balls deep animal fuck in tight miraluka pussy
Why did Nihilus carve holes into Visas's vestigial eye sockets? Is he just an asshole? I thought all he gave a shit about was sating his hunger. How does mutilating Visas achieve that?
>>7371629253 holes
for me, it's ayy modsunfortunately none of them change the text to compensatealmost all of them are just twi'lek mods anyways, i wish there was more variety
>>737162193He has an insatiable hunger and spends his cursed life eating?
>>737162925same reason he tortured her sith are assholes and pain makes them more powerful
>>737162925The Sith are mentally ill, who knows what he meant by that.
>>737162842honestly visas is just as iconic as a character in this game as kreia for me imoher va did a really good job, and her backstory really sells the more sombre and coldness of the setting i wish there were more star wars games with more of a darker edge like kotor 2, but since nuwars seems to be focused on doing the imperial era forever, and the imperials are just mass retards who only have power because they already had it when they transitioned from the republic, i highly doubt we ever will
>Sith from game which had very short development cycle
>>737169376When it comes to Obsidian it's always someone elses fault, never theirs. Curious.
What language was he speaking anyway? Some sort of lost Sith dialect?
>>737169376>vs>Eldritch incarnation of the Dark Side of the Force written and handcrafted by Lucas himself
>>737169376arguably the most iconic sith outside of the main films are from kotor and kotor 2granted i'm not the most knowledgeable about the eu at large, afaik the only other name that comes close is talonrevan and nihilus are iconic and standout designs in their own right, and scion and traya are also pretty good malak is probably the weakest one but him being a shithead is part of his character so it fits him regardless
>>737169496he communicates via stomach growls
>>737162925>Why did Nihilus carve holes into Visas's vestigial eye sockets?Wasn't it consequences of him casting Life drain on the whole planet?
>>737162193A jobber that dies in a dialogue prompt?
>>737169736KOTORs in general had very nice artistic approach.
>>737170293SWTOR too
>>737166437I constantly flip flop between kotor I and II being my favorite because of things like this
>>737171069eeeeeehhhh some of ita lot of vanilla gear looks awful
>>737171482Kotor 1 is a kids game
>>737162193Im sion, I love fem exile and have mommy issues
>>737162193Why are your pecs so far apart?
>>737162842there was never a more perfect wife.
>>737162842Kelly Hu’s voice gives me an erection.
Hey, its a kotor thread. To whoever wanted me (it was quite a few threads back) to upload my expansion mod for 2. I did. It needs testers to check for balance and bugs but it should he completely playable.
>>737171069Nope
>>737162193Single coolest Sith lord aside from Vader and Maul
>>737173043Revan?
>>737173094Gary Stu
>>737162193We know you have a eating disorder please get before your on my 500lb life.
>>737173094High tier too, just not top tier.
this is what i crave
Visas is my wife
>You don't understand, we NEED to create a race of women that wear not!latex clothes that hug their every curve and cover everything but their plump lips.
>>737174064its not like women would ever dress like this in real life
>>737162193A boring monster void of any personality whose only ability is to eat and then eat some more, so he can become better at eating. And he makes weird sounds because he is literally too stupid to learn to speak properly.
>>737162704He’s an eldritch horror who used to be a person, which is an interesting idea for a Sith. I think the main drawback of him is that’s he’s overshadowed by Darth Sion in terms of the filling the actual “antagonist” role for most of the game. Sion is the one who commands the Sith Assassins and Sion ends up acting as a rival character and parallel to The Exile. Nihilus is just sort of “there”.
>>737169736Traya is genuinely one of the best Sith in the franchise. She’s Palpatine-tier in terms of being a god-tier villain.
>>737175208>biggest accomplishment is getting thrown out of her own club and manipulating Jedi Jesus into doing everything for her so she can die
>>737175103True but he wouldn't have remained interesting or mysterious if he had fought the exile half a dozen times before the end.
>>737169496Yes the old Sith language as was spoken during the glory days of Korriban. You hear it again from the Holocrons in Atris' chambers. I really loved how they made those Sith voices seem like a they are both screams and whispers, like I cannot actually tell how far the speaker is from me when I hear it. Pure soul.
>>737173094Faceplate and cloak aren't really that iconic. Nihilus is a whole step above with the his bone mask alone.
>>737176209Nihilus actually sounds different than the holocrons.I think his voice is literally supposed to be like force echoes or the screams of those he succ’d
>>737162193Completely dead inside?
>>737175208>had a train ran on her and got raped multiple times by her apprentices>gets exiled and buckbroken>manipulates the jedi exile into wanting to kill the force>actually jedi exile keeps doing his own thing and makes her seethe about it>gets defeated>copes that jedi exile doing his own thing was ackshually what she wanted all along... so she wins!Palpatine could use kreia only as toilet paper
I really wish this game wasn’t a chopped up rushed mess. Even with the restored content it’s all jumbled and disjointed but there’s so much potential and love and care and the music and voice acting is so fucking good. It kills me that it can never be properly fixed.
>>737176491>NO JEDI JESUS DO NOT MARRY THE MIRALUKAsilence beloved grandmother, by the way, we will need you for babysitting duties for the weekend, visas and I think it’s time for another child
>>737176594Need to produce at least 2.5 Miralukettes with Visas.
>>737176371He sounds different, more like he is literally inhaling as he speaks but I still think it's supposed to be the same language but maybe not. I also feel like Nihilus' speech was recorded backwards.
>>737176491>jedi exile keeps doing his own thingKreia: You need to find the Jedi Masters and kill NihilusExile: I have found/killed the Jedi Masters (you were going to kill them anyway) and killed NihilusKreia: Now you have to kill me and SionExile: I have killed Sion and youSeems like a pretty clear victory for Kreia
>>737176715>2.5Visas lost an entire planet of her people, if you can't repopulate half of it back by yourself you might as well be a fag.
>>737162193https://youtu.be/BUb3aWsK1wc?si=cGjc1LM_0Mdo3JhW
>>737176502Obsidian are infamous for having never made a truly “finished” game. They always bite off more than they can chew when it comes to ambition and it leads to parts of the game feeling disjointed. New Vegas is probably the closest they got to a “complete” game and even that game is notoriously unfinished.
>>737176860Pentiment
>>737169736>i'm not the most knowledgeable about the eu at largeIt's all garbage, KoToR is the best shit to come out of it. The only other memorable thing is Thrawn and they've already ruined him.
>>737176860And now Obsidian is basically just a corpse and most living companies today can't make games half as interesting or inspired.The whole fucking industry is just so cursed.
>>737176756Kreia wasn’t able to destroy the Force and she also wasn’t able to convince the council that they were wrong, which is why she kills them in a fit of rage (are if you choose to kill the masters yourself, then that denies her her goal even more). Kreia was fighting an unwinnable battle, and despite her claims of not being Sith, she still uses Sith tactics like manipulation and lying. In the context of the Star Wars’ universe’s morality, she was no different from Sidious in the sense that she was a hypocritical snake who was defeated. The Force won against her just like it won against Palpatine.
>>737176872It's only 15 an hour kreia and these people -are- earning it literally by working their job but also through their efforts organizing and demanding a raise. you stupid bitch. the price of everything has only been increasing at faster rates especially since covid, while wages have stayed stagnant. you are defending a system that's doomed to cause increasing levels of harm. fucking retard granny
>>737176756>You have failed me. Completely and utterly.but when she dies it's>UwU you are perfect exile you did exactly what I wanted!!!!
>>737166437I love Bao-Dur and the fact he still considers himself the Exile's soldier, years down the line. A subtle sign of his PTSD - he never left Malachor.
Could you repeat that in Galactic Basic?
>>737162925>Why did Nihilus carve holes into Visas's vestigial eye sockets?He didn't. That was a side-effect of Visas witnessing her entire planet dying via Force Vision.
>>737177079She doesn't seriously want to kill the Force and she never attempted to convince the Masters otherwise, she wants them alive to see if they've learned anything from their own exile and when they demonstrate they haven't she does to them what Malachor did to the Exile by exploiting the Force Bond. They don't have the strength of will to save themselves and die, further proving her point.
>>737173812
>>737177079>which is why she kills them in a fit of rageHoly fucking speedreader. The Exile was literally the only way to Stop Nihilus not to mention the one person in the Galaxy that managed to cut himself off from the Force a truly magnificent being and those utter fucking retards could do nothing other than to declare judgement and try to sever the ties AGAIN even if the Exile saved entire planets with them. Nah dude, the council can eat a fucking rancor cock, especially Vrook.Kreia did just kill them, she just forced the same choice upon them that the Exile once made.>sever yourself from the Force or die.They chose poorly.
>>737166437>and the imperials are just mass retards who only have power because they already had it when they transitioned from the republicI mean to be fair they slaughtered a whole lot of separatist aliens while using disposable cloned soldiers. The republic de facto became the empire when the senate granted palpatine emergency dictator powers, it only formally became the empire after order 66
>>737175302>>737176491>>737177079Kreia outright says what her goal was at the end of the game - just as Revan went into the Unknown Region to fight the True Sith, she was going around the galaxy seeking the True Jedi - she literally calls you that by that term. She wanted to create an Order that can actually stand up to the darkness incoming.
>>737177079Kreia wanted to wipe the slate clean; eliminating all sith and restarting the Jedi order as a slightly less corrupt, more human, organization
>>737177272And even at its best the Republic was nothing more than a collection of retards that are repeatedly save by heroic figures and the Jedi Order.
>>737177312>Kreia is just Diogenes with his lamp
>>737177312That's just a cope on her deathbed. She wanted to kill the force outright and the exile defied her wish. So she made up some BS at the end to save her gargantuan ego from being hurt yet again, defeated once more by yet another apprentice.A staggering amount of failures for a sith lord, and she was only alive for so long because she's a woman and other sith felt pity for her weakness
>>737177272And Order 66 was just an emergency tool for Palpatine. The official novelization for Revenge of the Sith (by the way, it's a fucking great novel) has him outright say he didn't intend to wipe out the Order, but rather manipulate them from the shadows via Anakin and a select handful of Jedi he would turn to the Dark Side over time.
>>737177431Except it wasn’t. Its very clear she wanted you to kill her as the final obstacle to complete your training. She tells you this and then she says that you can do whatever you want now but she pushes for you to go to the unknown regions to fight the sith.
>>737177558>Except it wasn’t.cope. Understandable when you completely and utterly failed for the 200th time and your grand scheme has to be reduced to just the last point on the list: getting killed. You just say that's what you wanted because it's a cope to save your ego.
>>737177443I wish the Prequels went even more balls deep into the political machinery of the era. RoTS even had an entire subplot for Padme and Bail Organa where they end up battling against a lot of the political reforms Palpatine put through, but they cut that because people complained about the films being too political. The story of the Prequels was so ambitious that 3 movies was barely enough time to cover it all in depth.
>literally tells you where she's going and that she expects you to come and stop her>"uhm acktually sweaty she's just coping and didn't want you to do that at all"
>>737177790>if you kill your enemies, they win
>>737177679>RoTS even had an entire subplot for Padme and Bail Organa where they end up battling against a lot of the political reforms Palpatine put throughIt ended up in the Republic comic, when it wasn't busy with Quinlan Vos' dark side shenanigans
>>737162193In my playthrough I had 8 charisma and 0 ranks in Persuade and didn't take mind trickSomehow I still passed 70% of charisma checks and had every companion on my dick by being a relentlessly nosy teetotaler
playing swtor againman its fun
>>737169462Yeah, its their fault for not working hard enough, lazy ungreatful pieces of shit should have been able to finish the game with extra time left for bug fixing, fuck them all I hope they all die and go to hell for being shit at their job and being at fault.
>>737169462Hey that's not fair, NWN2's godawful ending where rocks literally fall and everyone dies wasn't the product of a rushed development cycle and Avellone once said he was proud of that ending.So uh...um. Fuck. Also lmao I had to clip this from a fucking youtube video because if you search nwn2 ending slide it's all MotB. That says it all.
>>737175103That's the point or something; to show the two sides of the Sith belief taken to extremes - Nihilus is the ever greedy pursuit of power ("hunger") inherent in the ideology to the point of losing all personhood, and Sion is the opposite or something (but I'm not smart enough to elucidate a way to explain it), the complete obsession with "personal will" and "suffering builds character" or something to that effect (long past the point where you should have just fucking given up)
>>737173812Built for being locked away in the Sith holocron vault
>>737162193I love how all their names are on the nose, like in a children's show,
>>737179073I'm going to build my own sith holocron vault by just installing 12 alexas that spout random /v/ quotes about my posts being shit all day. I figure that's basically the same.
>>737179084>tfw we never got Darth Insaneous or Darth Icky from true genius George Lucas for force unleashed.
How do I mod this game, I keep trying to read forum posts and Im not any closer to understanding than when I started.
>>737177558>Kill her as a final obstacle to your trainingIronically she actually follows the "proper" selfless individualism of Bane's ideology properly, unlike nearly every other post Bane sith that invariably pussies out at the end (or ends up trying to cheat; even Palpatine shanked his master after getting him drunk - sure you could argue that's "fair" because he "knew he could easily beat him" but he still failed to actually test himself against him)
>>737162193I can never see Nihilus without thinking he looks like he has cat ears and his mask is a cat mask. I always expect every sentence he utters to end in "Nya."
>>737162193literally what was this guy's problem?
>>737179378Cereal when no milk.
>>737179378Became a hole.
>>737179084Well, Star Wars is a children’s franchise afterall and it’s also a series that has binary morality. Even the more subtle Sith names can be attributed to a word with negative connotations:>Darth (in)Vader>Darth (in)Sidious>Darth Plague(ius)>Darth Revan(ant)>Darth Malak (obvious riff on “malice”)>Darth (be)Traya(l)
>>737180041>Darth Revan(ant)Revanchist
>>737179236>mfw Darth Phobos uses fear>mfw Darth Desolous is an angry faggot
>>737180041More teen than child
>>737176209god dude that looks fucking badass, wish that was me with those babes
>>737180041Nothing wrong with any of that
korriban is non canon
>>737176872This isn't work because Kreia was shaming you for giving a bum money, Bernie wants to help working citizens who contribute to society. Not some bum space racer who owed money to some alien gangsters
star wars is the most generic shit ever, even the original movies, kotor 1-2 are the only things in star wars media that i find interesting
>>737177790>literally tells you she hates the force and wants to destroy it and you're the key to it>"uhm acktually sweaty she's not coping at all by saying nvm I just wanted you to bee yourself"
>>737180458Sorry, telling you to come and stop her is the be all and end all of this argument. If she seriously intended to DO anything other than die at you hand she'd, you know, fucking do it.
>>737162193He's proberly the most anti climatic boss I've ever seen
>>737180262“It’s a series for 12 year olds” is an exact quote Lucas used, which checks out when you consider that RoTS was the movie with the highest age rating, and that was still just a PG-13. KOTOR 2 is arguably the most “adult” the series ever got, but even then, there’s nothing stopping a kid from enjoying it (source: I first played KOTOR 2 when I was 7).
I never played BG 1&2 and I heard it's really hard to make a build as a beginner. Is it the same thing as KOTOR where you get a giant list of feats you can take and retards can't figure out what to use?
>>737180945KOTOR is normalfag friendly. It's just easy to break if you're minmaxing.
>>737181202Okay so when I was feeling smug about the system being easy to me, it turned out it was made easy on purpose and I'm retardedGonna probably play BG this year, can't wait to make a retarded build
>>737180945Lol no. You just equip two lightsabers, get Stasis and Knight Speed, and you're literally immortal. The gameplay is dogshit in KOTOR. I think the only fight that's somewhat difficult is Malak, but only because if you don't have a specific skill he can regen. And even then you can just kite him and grenade him to death
>>737181451I unironically did a spit take when I read that back in the day people claimed KOTORs gameplay was better than Final Fantasy 12s.
>>737181517I will claim that right now, FF12 was mediocre
>>737162193he is literally who
>>737181737It's Darth Nihilist, eh who doesn't care about anything...
>>737181202Yeah that’s the thing, it *pretends* to be crunchy because it’s running off baby DnD rules, but it’s basically Fisher-Price RPG design. As long as you aren’t actively sabotaging yourself you’ll clear it fine.BG on the other hand will absolutely let you softlock your whole experience because you thought “wow wild mage sounds epic” without reading a single tooltip. KOTOR just pats you on the head and hands you dual sabers and god mode Speed.Not that I’m complaining. Sometimes you wanna feel like a galaxy-brained Sith Lord without doing algebra.
>>737181832Moar liek Darth The Coolist he he he
>>737162842Literally BUILT for Jedi Jesus babies.
>>737181971
>>737181949>>737181832fuck you kreia stop showin evryone my fucking deviantart you peace of shit
>>737182042We know Space Jesus is the canon Ligh Side Exile, but which one has the funniest Dark Side face?
Fat Jackie Chan is pretty funny.
>>737182215>funniestThe Asian dude, fourth from the lefty though all the nigger faces also look ridiculous with their Sith bleached skin.
>>737182118ur just jelly I have 3 purple lightsabers, which are the coolest lightsaber colors, it is known
>>737182248meant for>>737182215
>>737182384We figured.
>>737182365>this guy gets banned but mods miss the guy just above saying the no-no word
>>737182441PRETZELS LIETHEY MANIPULATE
the exile is canonically female
>>737182653>star wars>canonlmaoWe're what 10 years into Disney Wars? And they've already gone from "everything we make is canon" to EU-tier dysfunction.
>>737182653>doing the old "female is canon" meme when THIS is the actual nucanonhttps://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Surik
>>737182653>Bioware canon for a game they didn't make
>>737182727>>737182748>>737182750I mean you replied instantaneously so as far as bait goes it's pretty effective
>>737182215I like to imagine the mexican looking one being a cholo.
>replaying KOTOR>decide to try a dark side playthrough again>get to maybe the second planet before dropping the save>every single DS option is either committing petty theft or blending a puppyIt's crazy how TOR is the only Star Wars game that lets you actually feel like a Sith. I want to command armies, conquer planets and corrupt people. Not eat babies for fun.
>>737183567>play Jade Empire>tutorial hammers you over the head how Closed Fist is NOT just the evil bad guys, they simply stand for personal strenght and self-sufficiency (same spiel as the Sith actually)>all the Closed Fist choices are committing petty theft or blending a puppy
>>737183567games nowadays dont let you be a sadistic psychopath
>>737181517Yeah, it’s bizarre. FF12’s gameplay is leagues better by every objective measure. In fact, a KOTOR game with that style of gameplay would probably be better.The only thing I’ll give KOTOR 1 and 2 is that its piss easy nature means that even the most absurd builds imaginable are viable.
>>737183567>feel like a SithThe Sith Code you learn on Korriban is literally "the Dark Side will give me the power to be and do whatever I want to be and do". Puppy kicking with impunity is as much a part of that as trying to conquer the galaxy. The only reason all the 'cool' Sith are bigger than petty violence is because they get caught up in the power and start dreaming bigger and bigger, building Sith Empires where the whole apparatus of state is there to prop up the wild dreams on the Sith on top.
>>737183567>>737184052This is a BioWare problem. Even in DA:O and the Mass Effect games (which are arguably some of their stronger titles), the “pragmatic” options are usually cartoonishly evil for no reason. KOTOR 2 had some of that as well, but a lot more of the Dark Side choices were genuinely Machiavellian.Seriously, BioWare was always a hack company that was praised primarily for being the first to do what they did and also making their games glorified dating sims in their later years.
>>737183567>>737184052>>737184141As I'm getting older I'm really starting to question what it is people actually want from these things.If you're actually role playing and getting invested emotionally in what's going on, then true dark side choices would be reprehensible and difficult to stomach. Even actual psychopaths don't actually revel in doing explicity evil things, they're just a means to an end and that end is power or control.If you're NOT emotionally invested or role playing at all, then the depth and nuance of the choices on display really shouldn't matter that much to you. You just want to see bad things happen to (usually innocent) people, and that's what you're being given.If you actually got a detailed, nuanced, deeply engaging Epstein simulator where you got to build a staggeringly realistic empire by abusing and manipulating very realistically portrayed characters would you genuinely actually enjoy that?
>>737185781Sorry to say this to your reasonable post but you're a fucking faggot>waaahhh I can't roleplay as someone killing innocents, it's so evil and icky :(
>>737185781As I'm getting older I'm gravitating more towards evil choices. People are niggers and deserve to get screwed.
>>737185781Post a screencap of your tweet about how reprehensible Obsidian was for adding an option to Tyranny where you stay loyal to the evil overlord#ACAB
>>737185781Tbh, I think people who say they don’t like making evil choices in games because it makes them feel bad are cowards. I’m sure I’m not the only one, but I love being an edgelord in games. There’s something genuinely hilarious and interesting about a story where a chosen hero has to go and save the world, only for it to turn out that the hero is a complete unhinged psychopath who’s arguably even worse than the villain they’ve been sent to defeat.
>>737185950That's vengeful evil against people who you perceive to deserve it, that's different. Everyone likes a good revenge story.>>737185843>>737185968Empathy develops more as you age. It's why when women get older they become busybody karens.
>>737183567Dark side usually has better rewards so it's irrelevant what you have to do as long as you get the best loot.Sith are just minmaxing autists.
>>737186131Most games with binary morality systems usually have a problem where picking the evil option nets you objectively worse rewards compared to the good option (Bioshock is a very famous offender of this). I think Infamous, Fallout 3 and KOTOR 2 are the only binary morality games where the “evil” route is just as valid in terms of rewards as the good route.You could also make a case for Dishonored as well, but you can do “evil” things and still get low Chaos, so it’s not really binary.
>>737186487Daily reminder that Dishonored considers it the good and moral choice to give some noble lady to her stalker as a slave to take into his sex dungeon (not headcanon, that's literally in the game) rather than killing her
>>737186582Non-lethal isn’t “good” in Dishonored. It’s just more about whether you want to kill the targets or subject them to a fate worse than death. I think Daud is the only target where the non-lethal option is genuine mercy.You can also poison the Bottle Street Gang’s elixir and give them all the plague and that still doesn’t lock you out of the “good” ending as long as you don’t cause too much collateral damage after the fact.
>>737186106>conflating empathy with "busy body karens"
>>737182727The only Star Wars that is canon is Episode 1-6 and Clone Wars.
>>737182594ONE DAY THE EXILE WILL HELP ME BECOME A PRETZEL
>>737162193Threadly reminder that KOTOR 2 is an IQ test and if you got filtered you're a midwit.
>>737187901You niggas gotta start thinking about what midwit actually means. It can't very well be an IQ test if you can fail it by having too high an IQ>hurr durr ur a midwit filtered XD
KOTOR2 would be really cool if it were actually finished. The RC patch does not add enough, because honestly there isn't enough.
>>737187542>Clone Wars.which one
>>737162193Much like Nihilus I just can't stop eating
>>737188079He is surely talking about Genndy Wars
>>737182727>EU-tier dysfunction.People love repeating this meme and pretend like the EU didn't have clearly labeled book runs with perfectly fitting continuity. But I guess that's what happens when your only exposure to the EU is video game essays and wookipedia.
>>737186803>KOTOR 2...“evil” route is just as valid in terms of rewards as the good routeThere's a great bit early in KOTOR2 where you find some retard who sold his gf into slavery to settle his gambling debt. The Dark Side choice lets you keep her as a slave, only working for you now, and you can go back and collect her wages every so often. That's an actual interesting morality choice and one with good rewards.
>>737179236in lucas' defence there, he had apparently told the tfu devs he didn't want starkiller to be a proper sithso when they kept badgering him he gave out those dogshit names so they would change their minds, which they did
>>737183567I'm a moralfag so on first playthroughs I always do a goody two shoes. Then I do the morally questionable or evil routes. I've never been able to do this in SW.
I used to love star wars, bros.
>>737182653the exile is canonically a female twi'lek*and mira is also a twi'lek for the whole switcheroo against squidman in the nar shadaa bar to work as well
>>737188079he didn't use a 'the', so one can assume it's the based one
>>737190547my final cope is just ignoring 99% of nuwars and only accepting the very few things that are actually decent in iti shan't be supporting any of filoni's autism
>>737177431Her aims are never really clear. She says things but her actions don’t line up. We can pretend to blame the short development cycle but the sad fact is that the writing just didn’t work as a cohesive whole. Fun fact: Revan/Malak used the trolley problem to turn Jedi to Sith en masse. This isn’t opinion. Atton outright says so deep into his Influence path.
>>737187945hurr durr ur a midwit filtered XD
>>737174064>not![thing]Extremely faggy and tumblr
>>737191149imo i find kreia's actions to be almost entirely motivated by scorn due to being rejected by both the jedi order and the sithshe certainly has skill in manipulation, but as we see that can only go so far before everyone gets wise and boots her out, and really only stuck around with the exile because the exile had no one else as a teacherher final motivation is likely half truths and exaggerations, she knows she needs to be out of the picture for the exile to do what she ultimately wants, so she comes up with a reason for the exile to finally kill her
if you need to roleplay as a good guy in a video game you're probably a piece of shit irl and trying to assuage your guilt
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>>737191149Get revenge on the Sith that betrayed her, also rub the noses of the corrupt Jedi order in their failure and show off her new apprentice. Her aims was essentially to launch a more grounded, in tune and durable Jedi order from the ground up. She wants to win and she wants to win on an intellectual, philosophical level against what she perceived as lesser ideologies.
>>737169462No, Outer Worlds 1 & 2 being shit are all on Obsidian
>>737186061Kotor 2 strikes a good balance where there's clear productive ends, "I need to get money" or "I need to teach these guys a lesson for tricking me" and so on, underpinning many of the DS choices. Not all of them, there's plenty that are just psychotic. But stuff like blowing up that one Mandalorian stuck in a tree is written in a really funny way, and works as a way to punish him too
>>737176830>You want compromise, how's this? Twenty years in the republic can, I wanted blue manicott', but I compromised. I ate blue grilled cheese off the plasma coil instead. I wanted to fuck a twi’lek, but I compromised. I jacked off to a holovid of them. You see where I'm goin'?
>>73718818In all seriousness, Filoni Wars was completely unnecessary. It basically reiterates stuff you could have inferred from the Prequel movies anyway, Anakin is way too much of a Chad and not insecure enough, and Ashoka is a dumb idea for a character that strains plausibility considering how Revenge of the Sith plays out. Anyone who claims it “saved” the Prequels didn’t understand the Prequels to begin with.
>>737194212imo the core issue with tcw is that lucas and genndy weren't able to make an agreement both of them liked, so they parted ways and lucas settled with filoni as showrunnerit's very noticeable the original intent was it to be a quasi remake of the '03 cw purely based on the character designs, and how the first few seasons seemingly require knowledge of volume 1 of cw to understand a lot of the characters
>>737192041It's illegal to make retarded posts on this website.
>>737186934It absolutely does. Just because you feel for people, doesnt mean you are equipped to help them, no matter how obligated you feel to
>>737190258Ever tried SWTOR?
>>737192095it's somewhat amusing that the jedi order consistently gets destroyed due to their own arrogance and insistence on following their code to the letter, when from what we've seen every time it had been revived it started as a rejection of that line of thinking also fuck vrook, it was his holier than thou attitude that really caused the other masters to reject the exile again
>>7371631954 vajohnyas
>>737184052There are one or two exceptions to that, one with the slave girl and her mom who you meet on Gao Fortress, telling the girl to kill the Fat Man was pretty fun also the side quest concerning the Zither of Discord.
>>737172282>>737171580How can you say that when it literally is just variations of PT and OT designs.Troopers are clone troopersBH are Boba FettsSith Warriors are cybernetic VadersInquisitors are PalpatinesKnights are TCW KenobiAnd Agent is just Imperial dress uniforms.
>>737190201Twilek women are made for human cocks.That aside one of my favourite parts of Kotor 2 is being able to promise your help to the militia on Dantooine AS WELL as the mercenaries and then you can decide which of the two you want to betray. It's also a lot of fun going through the Dantooine guv building, programming turrets and droids to either attack enemies or friendlies (or both), setting mines, locking or opening doors and a whole bunch of stuff.
>>737192041Stop lighting up my room you daft cunt it's already past midnight here.
>>737199050Kavar was based but also basically a meathead while Zez Kai Ell was the only based master. He was the only one who even dared to ask if there could be flaws in the very teachings of the order compared to just calling every fallen Jedi some form of stupid.Too bad he let himself be convinced by fucking Vrook and died for the trouble.
>mogs every single girl in the seriesHow does she do it?
>>737202236Does she have an actual personality? I only have her in my party because she's 14 and has the prettiest face
>>737202236Mission is great but in the end she is still only a Twilek.
>>737202212I’m convinced it’s a prerequisite for the Jedi Council to have at least one zealous retard on it. In the Old Republic era, that was Vrook and in the prequel era, that was Mace Windu.
No Mira or Atris romance still sucks
>>737202417A Mira romance would be redundant as 90% of Dark Side players would be completely locked out of it.
>>737202417Who cares? Even the real "romances" don't really deserve that nameThe Obsidian special
>>737183567I basically just want a dark neutral at the very least because so many sith go full retard
>>737202331Yeah and I am honestly struggling to remember a time when the council didn't act like complete retards overall.Even stuff like the last Sith war before the Ruusan reformation, General Hoth was essentially fighting against the wishes of the council, it seems like their sole purpose is to be as big as an obstruction as they possibly just because they don't like others disagreeing with them.
>>737202417>Atris>romanceThe frigid bitch doesn't deserve romance, she deserves to be choked and fucked until even the last of the sisters has an orgasm by proxy.
>>737202532I do think Avellone’s pure hatred for romances in RPGs is funny and also kind of on point. The emphasis on romances is part of what killed BioWare. ME3 was basically a dating sim.
>>737202212zez kai ell has a good heart but he's too much of a pussy to stand up for anything he just rots on nar shadaa and it isn't until the exile actually starts fucking around for him to grow a pair and do something
>>737202236twi'lek naturally produce pheromones that attract others, along with generally pleasing bodies, so long as they don't grow overweight unfortunately i also has the drawback of them being highly desirable sex slaves, but that's life
>>737203203Tbf, what else was he supposed to do? The Sith had a whole academy of assassins hunting the Jedi down and The Exchange also put a bounty out on them. He wouldn’t be able to really expose himself or do much without getting himself smoked (which is exactly what happens since either the Exile or Kreia kills him).
>>737202417atris had her chance when revan, malak, and the exile told the council to fuck off and went to war and recruited anyone willing to follow themshe stayed behind, seethed at her own decision, and pretended that she was actually righteous when all of them fell to the dark side, only to fall herself completely on her owndumb bitch deserved to get slapped at the very least
>>737203450there were subtle ways to help people out without galavanting through across the city like the exile didboth kavar and vrook were managed to help people out while avoiding detection
>>737162510people do tend to orbit around me
>>737203567And Kavar and Vrook both got caught. Vrook was even imprisoned by mercenaries trying to claim The Exchange bounty. There was also the master on Korriban who was straight up killed by the Sith before the Exile could reach her.
>>737166437every character in KOTOR 2 is ingrained in my memory forever
I still can't believe they managed to squeeze a "precursor ancient aliens with hyperadvanced tech" trope into fucking Star Wars
>>737203858i know vrook allows himself to get caught by the local thugs to prove a point to the exile or some shit, but when does kavar get caught?
>>737162842>>737173854I am confident that Visas' design is directly responsible for me having a thing for hijabis as an adult.
>>737203965Kavar eventually reveals himself when the Exile either gets surrounded by Vaklu’s men or when the Exile actively decides to help Vaklu overthrow Talia. If he was concerned about staying undetected, he would have done nothing.
>>737201713Yeah, it's just a hodgepodge of non-KOTOR Star Wars designs but worse. How is that supposed to be a good thing?
>>737204067>there's a single mirialan kotor 2>she's just a heartless corpo bitchwhy even add the species at that point? she doesn't even have the nun get up they usually wearit's also funny that the two most prominent ones, luminara and barriss, have been retconned to be emotionally retarded and a terrorist respectively
>>737202307Do not mate with her
>>737204778what's her beef with the miraluka anyways they way she talks about them seems to be pretty broad, not just exclusively with visasis it because they have a level of force sight that she cannot achieve?
>>737202236Missionbros...I hope that one artist release his Mission model
>>737205131Kreia hates people who rely on the Force. The Miraluka see using the Force. They rely on the Force as a species.
>>737205131it's because she's dried up and worthless and jealous of young supple alabaster skin tits and pussy. Visas' pussy is tucked in and tight, kreia's pussy is a rotten shredded pork sandwich that accommodated the entire galaxy's worth of low status men
i'm not here to say op is dumb, i'm here to say the inquisitors of modern star wars are a retarded idea you'd only see from reddit.
>>737175208was she right about everything?
>>737203958EU books did that ages ago.
>>737205523nihilus is about 4000 years before the inquisitors and i agree, the best of them got btfo by a guy who never finished padawan training and some kid he found a couple months agohow any of them were expected to be a threat after that is beyond me, especially considering that they solely rely on crutches to get any semblance of an advantage in a fight
>>737205891One part of the inquisitors I like is that they’re intentionall underpowered so they wouldn’t be strong enough to be a threat to Palpatine. They’re skilled enough to pick-off mid tier Jedi, but that’s it.
>>737162842For me it's charging up Visas's loading ramp
>>737202212Kavar, if you read the dialogue notes in the files, is a lot less sympathetic and comes off as an asshole who thinks he’s is smarter than you.
>>737207075their built to be expendable and they serve that purpose well but that doesn't mean their a good idea, we lost darth talon for some bozo and REEva
>>737162704it's weird that he's the biggest thing on the box art, but appears in the game for 5 minutes. maybe they thought he looks closest to Vader and kids love Vader
>>737207075realistically even an average jedi knight should be far beyond their ability to handle considering who we know has beaten inquisitors i understand them being a threat to cal in jfo, and to kanan and ezra in rebels, at least initallyit's also bullshit that ahsoka is apparently as powerful as she is considering she had a little bit more training than kanan and is treated like this super powerful jedi when in reality she spent most of her life as a vagabond
>>737207708i can't believe there was a time where i thought it would've been cool if starkiller was an inquisitorholy fuck we dodged a bullet, you and i both know he would've jobbed incredibly hard to ahsoka to finally prove who the 'better' apprentice was
>That slight voice break from Kreia if you still try and save her at the very endLet's just go home, grandma
>>737162193Me on the right.
>>737205131In addition to >>737205390 , she wants you to fuck her daughter Brianna, the Handmaiden instead.
Obsidian has never made a good game
>>737208538>hates a species that solely relies on the force for sight >while she herself solely relies on the force to seecurious!
>>737208032Death must have stopped playing to keep his job since stockfish
>>737182215>be dark side negro>turn white>suddenly feeling less inclined to kill and steal>light side points gainedsheeeeeeit
>>737205131She hates hapas
>>737162193Me 2 I can eat an entire Planet Pizza xDd
>>737162193Yeah nihilussy is peak cringekino fr fr
>>737175208True. Her story kind of spirals out of control at the end though.
>>737208794are people not allowed self-loathing now?? sheesh
Why is it that Kreia’s critics all come across like this strawman comic?
>>737212884i was specifically shitposting about that comic, i actually like kreia's character a lot
>>737173812I need to live in the frosty Femcel compound
>>737173043Dooku?
>>737214158Dooku is just an old dude
>>737162925Makes me think of the movie Event Horizon.
>>737175208This your brain on reddit
>>737207943Made me mad I couldnt. They could just say its non canon.
>non-canon fanfiction
>>737202417>atrisloser femcel that never scored because she couldn’t act on her feelings and pretends the soulless echani clones she adopted are the children of her and the exile
>>737173812The blind girl is nice and all but there's just something about seducing the femcel apprentice.
>>737215048>sends the most immature of them to keep an eye on the exile on her behalf>ends up getting cucked by her>falls to the dark side because of it lol
>>737185781This might sound weird, but personally I think the Fallout games (Fallout 4 Excluded.) do the best job at giving the player evil options because they mostly strike the perfect balance of providing consequences, rewarding for the player, actually being evil but understandably so, and being fun as hell to do.
>>737214642Old dudes are cool. I hope to be an old dude one day
>>737162842definitely awoke something within me in my formative years
>>737182441https://files.catbox.moe/9p15u6.mp3
>>737182653>decided to try female playthrough>get to telos academy but handmaide doesn't join>WTF cheek internet if it's bug or i did something wrong>turns out if you play female you get dantooine faggot instead>delete the save and start over as Jesus
>>737214964>meanwhile canon
>>737169376Kino designs desu
>>737207839disney-wars doesn't deserve starkiller, as silly as he may be he's actually cool and would've jobbed for not even ahsoka likely sabine.
>>737216824works on my machinemaybe you have a busted copy
>>737193302>I wanted to fuck a twi’lek, but I compromised.>I jacked off to a holovid of Rodian whoresftfy
>>737217185witwer seems to really want to do more stuff with him, and while i do trust that he understand the character, given that he's voiced by and modeled after him, i do not trust anyone else at disney with anyone from tfu
>>737202236>>737205205Imagine the grip... Tighter than a Chinese finger trap.
>>737201713>How can you say that when it literally is just variations of PT and OT designs.Yeah and they are either direct copies like republic trooper design or just lame like sith trooper deisng.KOTORs tried to maintain balance between looking simmiliar to Star Wars yet distinct from OT and PT designs.
>>737217185>he's actually coolN ope he is asspull as Ahsoka.Everyone who can go toe to toe with Vader undermines Luke's story.
>>737162842>croppedThe picture has no nudity. You can post it here.
>>737217621game mechanics aren't canonthe canon starkiller is the novelization version, who was pretty toned down compared to the gamestarkiller also had the decency to die when his time came, unlike ahsoka who not only lived past the clone wars, but also an encounter with vader and all throughout the imperial era into and past the sequels since filoni confirmed she wasn't dead in a panic when her voice was heard by rey in tros
>>737218209I don't have it, probably saved it from here. Also those balloon breasts look ridiculous. For me, it's the lips.
>>737218213>game mechanics aren't canonIt's part of the game's plot.
>>737217538>check out the d20 kotor ttrpg thanks to this image>20 pages in and HE shows upBao-dur's looking a bit.. deficient.
>>737214964>tranime poster
>>737218561>bao-dur but he shia le boeuf
>>737162193>>737162592always enjoyed these type of responses
>>737215729so you're telling me jews are having all the fun in the world while i'm stuck being a loser chud? being good and kind are just psyops to not join in on the fun?
>>737218454starkiller being stronger than average is part of the plot, but all the crazy shit in cutscenes and when running around are not iirc the whole thing with the star destroyer also is different depending on which version of the game you're playing, along with a couple levels and how they turn out
>>737204067theres a lovely white male arab female thread on gif RIGHT NOW
>>737219220>starkiller being stronger than average is part of the plotStarkiller beating Vader and Sheev are also part of the plot.
I'm so hungry
Do you think his dreads stink?
>>737222280
>>737204778
>>737181517I remember back in the day feeling very excited for ff12 because it looked so much like the kotor games.
>>737178895Sion is meant to represent the rage of the Sith taken to it's absolute extreme, being quite literally too angry to die. It's why as soon as he finally lets go of his hate, he dies.
>>737185781I play dark side in kotor so I can make kreia butt devastated while I go around lightning everything like a hyper tard. It's fucking funny
>>737220515the force unleashed games are memes but they still feel like star wars, the best star wars game in years since is what, dark souls jedi edition with a wimpy ginger guy?
I hate the Miraluka because of that frickin' KOTOR comic. Stupid bitch!
>>737214964>caring about what a corporation considers canonLOLLMAO
>>737223595cal is fine but the story in his games is scant at best and dumb at worst the big twist in survivor is obvious to anyone who thinks about the circumstances of the opening for longer than a minute, and the excuse for the secondary twist is: i should've but couldn't for some reason lolat least starkiller has the excuse of being somewhat sheltered despite his upbringing to fall for vader's japes
>>737182594
>>737223915both games are fine in their own ways, i got beef with the 2 jedi games more then the unleashed series cause those suffer the issue all nu-wars has in treading old ground
>>737224645yeah i remember when i played fallen order years back and was having a pretty ok time until i realized the game featured the rape of ilum at the end
pure pazaak
>>737169736Exar Kun is pretty popular i would argue
>>737176872Kreia has never heard of surplus value extraction via leveraged ownership of capital
>>737162193dogshit character. you're telling me this guy can annihilate (get it?) entire planets and nobody cares? he should be the number one threat to the republic. imagine if luke got to yavin 4 with the death star plans and they were like "this thing blew up alderaan? well it's a nothingburger we have other matters to attend to"
>>737229737anon play the gamethe republic does care, it's just that him and scion are bitch made and stay in hiding, only striking when they can completely destroy their targets as to not reveal who they are
Remind me quickest way to get Lightsaber? 2 parts on Telos. I cannot remember does Korriban gives you some piece of the lightsaber from dead jedi body and final piece supposed to drop after defeating Visas.
>>737230082I think the quickest way is nar shadda
>>737230082iirc it's the lootra quest on nar shadaa, then go back to the ship to get the last part from visas
anyone playing swtor?
>>737170293>>737171069No it wasn't, it threw out years of creative and unique designs to just made everything a retread of the Prequels. All the "Durr tech is the same after millennia" stems from lazy Bioware hacks.
>>737218295>balloon tits
>>737230258lmaolol
>>737230082>Remind me quickest way to get Lightsaber?At 50%+ Light or Dark Side aura Nihilus sends Visas.Pretty sure Dantooine, have a piece in the enclave or cave But I usually go to Korriban because it's most skipable part of the game.
>>737231191Looks like literal dogshit. Faggot offmodel garbage.
>>737202307Hardest romance choice in cRPGs
>>737238157holy fuck that's the worst rendition of her face I have ever seen
>>737166437We'll never get something truly dark like KotOR 2 again because sheltered pussy TCW zoomers wouldn't shut the fuck up about how their tame as shit kids cartoon is ACKtually for adults, so that's the bar.
>>737162193Was so gay his mask had zero purpose other than looking cool.
>>737177679>The story of the Prequels was so ambitious that 3 movies was barely enough time to cover it all in depth.Meanwhile the story of the Sequels was so bareboned and derivative that 3 movies were too much.
>>737162193Didn't know darth nihilus was gay, kinda ruins the character
>>737202236She's 14 you sick fuck.
>>737241770Out of 20!
>>737209042jej
>exile is female and gay and runs away to die a meaningless gay deathgay woke tranny nightmare noncanon lore>jedi jesus and visas marry and have lots of cute kids together and go on lots of adventures defending the innocent from the evil and corruptcanon lore
>>737243352You forgot >meetoo suckit has no fucking character beyond being a Revan fangirl who worships him as a godAlso, more like>Jedi Jesus leaves Visas to train the next generation of Jedi while he and Revan go off to fight in basically the blood war until the “end of all things” (as Kreia put it)
>>737236147Korriban first is such an underrated choice.>no skill checks of any kind except a handful of mines in the vision cave and a minor Computer check at the student sign-in>relatively high density of combat at levels where it makes up the biggest portion of your exp gain>small planet, but still has 2 lightsaber partsIt's a bit sketchy from a roleplaying perspective, but as far as game mechanics go it's a really good choice.
>>737243957Isn't the cave only available if you're full dark or light side
>>737233861Bao-Dur is a great companion. He's supposed to be a character so thoroughly eaten by PTSD he literally can't move on. He calls you "General," for fuck's sake.
>>737244045You don't need to be full light or dark, just in the top/bottom 25%, iirc it's the same threshold that spawns Visas.
>>737169736The Old Republic Era, and yes that includes TOR, generally has the best Sith Lords.
No one's ready to admit that you're supposed to jump between planets and progress them all at the same time
>>737182750>>737182727>>737182653The funny thing is it wasn't even BioWare who invented that retarded idea - it was WotC in some RPG book, which then BioWare rolled with.
>>737243352>>jedi jesus and visas marry and have lots of cute kids togetherthis but atris
>>737244208Mira and Mandalore have a lot of content associated with them while doing other planets, and you can only get them in your party by clearing Nar Shaddaa or Dxun.
why does kotor2 appeal so much to pseudo-intellectuals?
>>737208794>>737212527She acknowledges early into the game she's a massive hypocrite, and then repeats it later on, comparing her using the Force to still drinking a poison you've become too familiar with to stop.It's why she loves the Exile so much - he was capable of doing something even she couldn't.
>>737244284keep your headcanon regulated to your sith holocrons, atris
>>737244351I think you mean relegated, turdworlder
>>737244404Its a doggy dog world
>>737180945BG1 and 2 are a lot different from KOTOR because they're 2e D&D instead of 3e. Minmaxing in them is about autistic exp thresholds and attribute requirements rather than picking stuff from a list.
>>737244478*Neku eat neku
need visas marr gf
>>737178680You obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Countless interviews have revealed that obsidian don't address tech debt. It has been a problem from day 1. It is still a problem. It will always be a problem. Stop being a retarded midwit and gain some actual knowledge.
>>737180041What about Darth Tyrannus?
>>737223915The new Jedi games still have stronger stories than The Fart Unleashed. Better gameplay too. TFU was always razor thin junk.
>>737213207>two handsdropped
>>737188358The EU did have some clunky parts (especially early on) but most of the dysfunction came from the PT and TCW, not how the EU related to itself. The EU was the subject of a ton of shitflinging, but not so much because of continuity.
>>737245908fart unleashed on ps2 was solid
>>737246268>not the Wii port
>>737245868Tyrant? Tyrannical? Tyrannous?>>737246268For me, its Kaaaaaaaah chi kun ita uh dunga
>>737246268It's the superior version of the game, but it's still junky. The Jedi Knight games had their issues too (especially Academy) but they almost never feel as tedious as TFU does.
>>737246268>>737246669>>737246723Or you could play the Switch version.I personally prefer the cutscenes and performances in the HD version. It really feels like episode 3.5.
>>737182653So is the force
>>737182817>if you don't reply you let falsehoods fester>if you do reply you've been baitedHow deviously sith of you.
>>737246889but then the ultimate sith edition stuff is fun too
>>737245868>>737246671More like Teared Anus judging by his claimed reasons to become a sith and by him being a sacrifice.
>shows up to Telos IV>spanks Atris until she turns back to the light side>Sith holocrons seethe impotently>does not elaborate>leaves to go beat up more evil women
>>737249556And you'll be the only Atton for me.RIP man.
>>737245908Fallen Order was a mediocre souls clone with no force powers and really repetitive level design. Force Unleashed was a mediocre God of War clone. If you're like me and you've been burnt out on Souls since about Souls 3, Force Unleashed is pretty refreshing. Also it's a lot like Splinter Cell Double Agent where you should play both the PS2 and the 360 version because they are completely different games with different strengths and weaknesses.
>>737244138so you can't really go there on your first visit to korriban
>>737251758I am pretty sure most people do Korriban last, or second to last (before Onderon part 2)
>>737251758You have the bug for infinite light side points with the droid on Dantooine and infinite dark side points when you save the Ithorians from the Mercenaries on Telos
>>737251909Theres an infinite dark side loop that also buffs Hanharr's stats with him, too.
>>737251758Unless the RCM adds tons of extra alignment shifts on Peragus and Telos - which I doubt - it's possible to hit that threshold while you're still on Citadel Station if you don't make any opposed alignment choices. Kreia has a bunch tied up in her dialogue trees as well.
>>737251909OK but without abusing bugs and exploits you have to go to other places to grind that force side alignment for a bit. Can't just do all of korriban immediately as the first stopThe game world in kotor2 is absolutely fucking tiny and depopulated compared to kotor1. Dantooine is like 4 maps or something
>>737252801it being depopulated kinda makes sense on most of the planets due to them either being pretty remote or still trying to recover from the back to back cataclysmic wars the only one where the low population is a major issue is nar shadaa, which is described to be bursting at the seams by some characters but is nearly empty in game, and maybe telos stationeverywhere else is mostly fine
>>737231191>>737236206idk she looks mostly normal to me
>>737191149>Fun fact: Revan/Malak used the trolley problem to turn Jedi to Sith en masse. This isn’t opinion. Atton outright says so deep into his Influence path.I just read Atton's entire fandom biography looking to find out more about this. No mention. I've never played KOTOR II, could you please expound on what he says?
>>737255879What mod lets you be a twi?
>>737255879Bigger...
>Atton's VA killed himself last yearFuck this earth.
>>737256262wait a minute....
>>737256131there are twohttps://deadlystream.com/files/file/1924-tsl-effixians-twilek-pc-pack-2021/https://www.nexusmods.com/kotor2/mods/939i personally prefer the latter due to the more unique look, but the former also has skins for a male exile
>>737256567Canderous is dead too, funnily enough Kestelmann survived them both.
>>737256050NTA but I assume he is talking about this line:>The Mandalorians were slaughtering us by the millions. The millions. You were at Serroco, when they turned the Stereb cities into glass craters. At Duro, when basilisk war droids rained like meteors onto the orbiting cities, and when the Mandalorians set fire to the Xoxin plains on Eres III - the fires that still burn. Without the Jedi who turned on the Council - without you, the Republic would have lost the war, and we would all be Mandalorian slaves or corpses.The Republic were getting btfo by Mandalorians and the Jedi council were sitting on their hands. Revan was able to convince many Jedi to enter the war to save the Republic, but a significant percentage of those who signed on to protect the Republic fell to the Dark Side and joined Revan in turning around to attack the Jedi and the Republic afterward.
>>737256050NTA but wasn't it just literally "either join revan and lose some lives and do some relatively dark side shit or stay a good idle jedi goy and all jedi will die instead"?
>>737257048iirc one of the jedi council members mentions that revan, malak, and nearly everyone else who went off to war were taught by kreia in some way or another, which lead to her expulsion the jedi also apparently planned to do something eventually, or at least cope about it to the exile that they would've, but it was too little too late and revan beat them to the punch with highly effective results kotor 2 also says that every single jedi that went with revan was eventually corrupted by the war and fell to the dark side, except for the exile, where it's implied that the severed connection to the force may have saved him in a round about way
>>737257391And then there’s a fun cut line where Vash confirms that Kreia is name that Kreia made up further fueling the Arren Kae angle.
>>737257391>force may have saved him in a round about wayIt absolutely did. By the end of the Mandalorian Wars Revan was already preparing his next steps and one of them was making sure that all the Jedi and normal soldiers who weren't 100% loyal to him would find themselves on the surface of Malachor V. There they would all be finished off by the Mass Shadow Generator, they would die together with most of the Mandalorians and the planet itself. Bao Dur was the guy who built the Mass Shadow Generator though it also had effects through the force. Any Jedi close enough to it would be overwhelmed by the Force echo it produced though some survived and became Sith, like Nihilus himself. The Exile is the only Jedi who survived because he had the strength of will to cut himself off from the Force before it killed him. That is what made him so incredibly special and that experience is what Krei later weaponized against the remaining Masters on Dantooine, she gave them a taste of what the Exile had survived and none of them managed to repeat that feat.
>>737257391The funny thing about the Council's behavior in the wider EU is that this isn't the first time they pulled this. The Jedi Lords were a bunch of Jedi who went 'rogue' to save the galaxy and the Jedi Council seethed and seethed about it, only entering it too late. Their own champion got all the propaganda credit then went actually Sith and killed off the remaining Lords and the Jedi more or less acted like they had it coming.
>>737257820the jedi always nearly getting destroyed by their own arrogance and hubris is something i find amusing whenever a new order rises from the ashes they bring the lessens they learned from the destruction of the old order with them, but as time passes it eventually falls into the same trap and the cycle begins again
>>737258329You could argue this changed somewhat after Luke. It was no longer this massive order of emotionally stunted monks that had their main temple at the heart of the Republic.
>>737257048>You were at Serroco, when they turned the Stereb cities into glass craters
>>737258414Why did Luke restart the Jedi order on the site of a bunch of fuck off evil sith tombs? Just because the rebels hid there once doesn’t make it spiritually sound.
>>737258529Cause it's funny
>>737258484>fur coat on an ice planet>yet the deepest widest plunging neckline everWhy are miralukas such sluts?
>>737258529I think he just found it suitable. There obviously wouldn't be enough DS energy to be dangerous to the students, the Temples themselves were enough for his needs and they could also be used to teach the students about what Force users without any morals could do to the galaxy.
>>737258414>>737258529Isn't his Jedi Order corrupt by the time of Cade Skywalker though?
>>737258617That's clearly not skin, genius
>>737258529jedi love making temples in spots with a high force concentrationthe sith also like doing that, and since they're more often that not pushed to the outskirts of the galaxy, they tend to make temples in more remote places like yavin iv or malachor v iirc the temple on coruscant was also built on top of an old sith temple, but idk if that's eu or nuwars lore
>>737258529Yavin was populated Massassi Sith, the pleb tier warrior caste of Sith Pureblood society.
>>737191818that usage is probably older than youi could probably dig up examples from SA from ~2001
>>737259284Yeah but the Temple and the Massassi were made by a Sith Lord after Exar Kun I think.
>>737259284>>737259413they were massassi brought there and mutated by naga sadow who just got BTFO by the republic. exar kun later found them and made them build another temple
>>737259413The Massassi come from Korriban. They got to Yavin when Naga Sadow started the Great Hyperspace War and fled there when he had his ass kicked, he was the one to mutate them. Exar Kun found then a thousand years later and used them in the Sith War.
>>737259685>>737259694Cheers, I keep forgetting info about that period. God what I would give for a proper RPG set in that era.
>>737258484me on the left
>>737260240nigga literally making the booba pepe face
>>737259859We technically did. Kotor 1 and 2 are 40ish years after Exar Kun and the Sith War. Most of the TotJ era happens in that century, Naga Sadow is the extreme outlier.
>>737179084subtext is for cowards. having your antagonist named evil badman is based.
>>737262330Fair but what about the First Sith War and the creation and destruction of Korriban and the Sith. That would be cool to have.
>>737162592Don’t you mean, like uhhhh, theoretically?
>>737262634See, to get to the Sith Empire under Naga Sadow that invaded the Republic you have to go back even further to the Hundred Year Darkness, the second schism in the Jedi Order, that led to Dark Jedi fleeing to Korriban and lording it over the original Sith and interbreeding with them.Of course, Naga Sadow's time was when Jedi still used powerpacks for their lightsabers and the Sith used enchanted blades. Kotor already diluted the TotJ aesthetics for the wider audience, nobody would go for an accurate Great Hyperspace War era game.
so what was kreia's problem with mira anyways? when did she want hanharr to ambush her on malachor?i know handmaiden is her daughter and she's ayycist, but mira just seems to be some unrelated bounty hunter chick that exile just adopts after nar shadaawas it because she was one of the more capable crew members and she didn't have a means to control her like with atton?
>>737263387Now imagine your average Star Wars fan trying to play a First Great Schism game, where almost nothing is familiar.
>>737263754the lack of familiarity is what star wars needs right now just a couple things to keep it related, like force shit, ayys, and droids, but everything else needs to be new to breathe life back into the franchise
>>737162193ᴹᵃˡᵃᶜʰᵒʳ
Why was Revan's Sith Empire so /fa/?
>>737264412weren't being run by wrinkly old people
>>737250878>Questioning the Sith?>QuesQuestioning the Sith?>Q-Q-QueQuestioning the Sith?
>>737264115It's what it needs as a property, but it's not what the fanboys want to buy.
>>737263750>i know handmaiden is her daughterKreia isn't Arren Kae
>>737169736Revan's design is so simple yet so good. A crusading knight crossed with a monk combined with naming him after Revanchist was such a stroke of genius.
>>737250878what mod is this?
>>737264671i think what few diehard fanboys remain will accept anything disney shits out the real problem is that disney itself is too scared to take risks, they know they're in an awful spot of their own making and given the most recent step out of the ot circle, the acolyte, is considered to be hot garbage by anyone not on their pay list didn't help things i don't know what they could do to fix this, the only thing i can think of is another crack at a tv series but the quality of those has been in the shitter since mando s1, outside of andor, apparently
what do we think of the Swtor Sith Empire
>>737265015That design is so shit>wut would a sith look like>uh idk lets just make him look like darth vader but inbred>and uh, give him a storm trooper face
>>737265015I was extremely disappointed upon discovering I couldn't be a Sith Trooper and had to be a goody two shoes Republic Trooper instead
New Steam profile pic acquired
>>737265015trying to hard to be vader/10
>>737265015mogged by kotor 1/2 sith armor
>>737265015I'd rather we got Avellone's Trve Sith but it has cool glowniggers and leaders like Malgus and Marr.
>>737245868Tyrannosaurus
>>737245868Darth Tornanus
>>737258484>reminder that mandalore nuked a planet because he thought Saul Karath was being a pussy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI3TH2-tKbI
>>737269120God I'd love to live on some shithole space station like this...
>>737264869Movie Battles 2 for Jedi Academy
That Lego Star Wars what if/alt universe show makes me want a serious version of that in form of vidya.
Unironically the best part of SWTOR outside the imperial agent storyline (which uncoincidentally has Darth Jadus being one of the games best villains too) Having Sith so deranged they turn a planet into a literal Doom Hellscape, with armies of insane public and imperial troops and lab created monsters beyond human comprehension is the type of evil formula SW really only needs. Instead they focused on making a Palpatine clone that knocks off Nihlus planet eating and the >all according to keikaku Type of puppet string pulling.The Dark Side of the force does not get enough showcase. All you see in main SW media is force lightning and political maneuvering.
>>737269875i'm still seething that the acolyte could've been about any of the lesser known sith apprentice/ master duos in the 1000 years between bane and sidious but they decided to focus of characters that not only will amount to nothing, but are also destined to either be killed by plagues or sidious due to their proximity to the prequels it also being dogshit doesn't help either
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>>737269517battlefront 4 was supposed to be like thatimgur.com/gallery/star-wars-battlefront-iv-concept-art-frd-k3N2d
>>737270168Travesty what happened with that.And for what? For EA to make 2 games of their own and refuse a third? So dumb
>>737233861I actually think Canderous is better than Mandalore
>>737162193kneel dork nihilus
>>737233861>Female exile is Canon they say>when 99% of kotor 2s fanbase doesnt even know of the Disciple and only know of Handmaiden
>>737162925>Is he just an assholeMost Sith tend to be but in this case it was more of a "I witnessed lovecraftian shit with my special miraluka vision and it fucked me up way more than it would someone with normie vision" scenario
>>737251908people do onderon half way then leave?
>>737169376>AtrisMan it was so fun making her furious and sexually frustrated. She wanted Exile to pin her down and breed her so bad.
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>>737270713The palace raid is part 2
>>737263750Mira was a Mandalorian slave. Kreia probably wanted to test her.
>>737183567>It's crazy how TOR is the only Star Wars game that lets you actually feel like a Sith.There is more star wars related media of sith being mentally retarded psychopaths than there are ones where they are even slightly nuancedSith are puppy blenders
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>>737271791
Could there ever be a Mandolarian Wars game or is it only muh boba fett or muh this is the way helmet dudes
Your memes please. I'd hate to make a mess in front of the chancellor
>>737271879i think the issue would be people shitting that they're playing a mandalorian wars game and playing as someone not revan or the exile it would also be limiting on the alignment side of things, because iirc revan kept everyone who had already fallen to the dark side under wraps until after malachor vexile also wouldn't appear at all due to having a determinant look
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>>737272034kotor specific or in general
>>737271791she sure is grown
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>>737270734Her entire character is how she wanted to go with the Exile to join Revan but was too much of a cuck to retarded Jedi rules about relationships and authority to follow her heart or her beliefs. Hell she gets a second chance to join the Exile (though probably not to win his heart with Handmaiden around as a younger her) but can't get over her sunk cost to her first stupid decision and ends up dying an ignoble and deserved death.
>>737274567I feel like Qui-Gon had so much potential to be a good character, since he's basically meant to be what a Jedi is supposed to be vs. how the rest of the Order behaves, yet the directing makes him just as wooden as all the rest.
>>737208794Yeah, that's the whole point of the character. She sees using the force like using a drug and she hates herself for being unable to stop.She sees space jesus as the only guy that was ever able to stop using the drug. Which is why she gets pissed when you start using it again.
>>737169736Darth Bane and Darth Plagueis are just as iconic as Revan and Nihilus. Malak and Sion aren't even Caedus, Malgus, Krayt, Vitiate and Exar Kun tier of iconic.
>>737275403Qui-Gon's role in the story is to show you how a jedi SHOULD be, as opposed to the bureaucrats they became. Him dying is the main indication that the time of the jedi is coming to an end so narratively he fulfills his role very well The actual wasted potential man in the series is Dooku. Head of the prequels' version of the Empire, leading a war and the most public sith figure in the series up to that point and he has less than 10 minutes of screentime. He should have been in TPM showing signs of his eventual fall
>>737275963we need a star wars game with dooku as the porotag
I find it funny how Vader is the only character who is weaker in legends than he is in canon.
>>737216824>female run>everWhy?
>>737204778One of the weaker points of the story. There was no good answer to it.
>>737276239cus karpshyn said so
TOR is interesting since they have dark paths for Jedi and light paths for Sith to allow Jedi and Sith to be more dynamic. It's a cool an MMO of all things was able to do that.
>>737276239absolutely zero reason to ever bother with it if you're just running base game/ +rcmwith other mods that add handmaiden and include the m protag exclusive stuff i can see the potential appeal, especially if you want an ayy pc
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>>737277420Huh, somehow I've never reflected on kenobi slicing up anakin from the highground after he foolishly jumped up towards him, whereas kenobi's great victory over the first sith the jedi had encountered in generations was him jumping up from low ground to strike and slicing the bastard uptruly a dichotomy
>>737277232C'mon Macey. Gimme that rank
When will we get a game set during the Republic Dark Age where you get to play as a Jedi Lord with your own castle?
>>737277516How goes the thesis young man
>>737277648when disney sells IP
>>737162704 Nu Wars stole his iconic look and gave it to a Glup Shitto pushover like they did with Vader and Revan
>>737277794>no undershirt 'overalls'>respectable breasts>fat lekku>confirmed that humans and twi'lek could interbreedsomehow i know lucas was behind this character, he usually is with twi'leks apparently ahsoka was also a twi'lek in the earliest drafts for her character, before shifting to a togruta (ashla) and then becoming a separate character
>>737270557>doesnt even know of the Disciple and only know of HandmaidenNot unless you're playing with peak.
It's been years since i played, but I remember Kotor 2 is the only RPG I found myself picking the "evil" options. I generally never have the heart to be evil in RPGs, as dumb as that might sound, but Kotor 2 had a lot of weird circumstances where of all the options given, extreme violence was somehow the best pragmatic answer to lead to a better outcome. There were also just a several spots I found myself picking darkside dialogue because of how comical it was.I remember being a light leaning jedi who used extreme violence and electrocution for peaceful purposes.
>>737256050>I just read Atton's entire fandom biography looking to find out more about this. No mention. I've never played KOTOR II, could you please expound on what he says?In KOTOR and KOTOR2 you get backstory on Revan and Malak. Revan had a total ends justify the means outlook that was incompatible with the Jedi code. In KOTOR you have to disable some force field by answering questions in a manner Revan would approve of and it involves recruitment drives. Revan would get word the Mandalorians would attack a planet, wait for them to do it then intervene, the now seething mad population would be radicalized into joining the Republic's cause.
