>character is stupid>character is ugly>character is immoral>character is unfunnyWhat was the logic behind making this character?
>>737168281Making le heckin' girlboss
Safe quirky, innit?
>>737168281She is funny though
>>737168281>lesb-kill on site
>>737168281Later in the game it's implicitly revealed that she's genuinely an adult child who can't deal with reality. She's the female equivalent of a manchild and the game itself admits it.
>>737168281Gays got Dorian and lesbians got whatever the hell this monstrosity is. Bioware must have hated lesbians with a burning passion
>>737168281remember when this was considered the worst case of deliberately ugly and obnoxious characters?
>>737168281Dev self insert, it reflects the whole game.There has been only one good dragon age game, which is origins.
why do characters have to be perfect paragons of humanity to be "good" characters?
>>737168930Origins wasn't that good either, what a cursed series
>>737168281>>character is stupid>>character is ugly>>character is immoral>>character is unfunnyBut enough about myself.
>>737168920Was Dragon Age's humor always this juvenile?
There's a LOT of competition, but I still can't think of any company that has fallen from grace quite as hard or as low as Bioware. When I think "game studios they shouldn't exist" I think Bioware even before I think Ubisoft.
easy BlackCock funding
>>737168281She was supposed to be the fun childish character but since they don’t know how to write she is just shit. She has a wannabe Robin Hood thing going but is more just about fucking with random nobles and using helping peasants to justify it. All that happens is she just comes off as manchild. Could have been interesting if they made her younger and less ugly but DAI could have been improved in a lot of ways, same with 2.
>>737168281this is my lesbian elf wife sera, what about it?
>>737169027Kinda? There are examples of cringeworthy humor but it’s either supposed to be shit to show a character is awkward or dumb or it comes and goes.
>>737169027Not in Origins. DA2 was a disastrous derailment in the writing department, which led to shit like >>737168920 in DAI.
>>737169027It was a mix. Sometimes you got juvenile jokes, but you also got examples like Sten being dry or stoic to the point of comedy, or Alistair being sarcastic or ironic.The main difference is that each character could break tension in their own way, rather than defaulting to being the same character to make a joke.
>>737168973you okay, bro?wanna talk about it?
>>737168281Some of her banter with party members is really funny but you need a mod that fixes banter to hear it, it's bugged in vanilla and was never fixed.
>>737168281Dood dykes lmao
>>737168281PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAPGET PREGNANTPLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAPGET PREGNANT
>>737168281If I ever decide to replay DAI - most likely never becaue I'm not wasting abother 150 hours on that trash - I'll do it with a mod that lets you romance Sera as a man. Cassandra and Josie can fuck themselves or each other, I don't care.
>>737168281>this was considered the ugliest woman ever in the wokest game ever back in 2014we don't know how good we had it bros
>>737169874Cassandra is literally a closeted tradwife if you're able to get over the manjaw.
>>737169954I know, and I like her jaw. Sera is more interesting as a person.
>>737168281Great damage when player-controlled. Decent AI. Minmaxers just give her a helmet.
>>737168281Those are all virtues that modern society holds in high esteem
>>737169986Cassandra using her faith and girlboss persona as a coping mechanism for her vulnerability is way more interesting than Sera actually just being a petulant child in a grown woman's body.
>>737169954>is into super romantic shit>wants you to read her poetry and whisk her off her feet like the princess she is>reads shitty romance novels to hide/satisfy her feelingsI really wish better devs worked on this series because some of the stuff is genuinely fun and interesting.
>>737170152She's basically lethargic, actually, most characters in the game are. Energy and enthusiasm win me over.
>>737170236Weird take, honestly. That's the kind of depressive thinking that makes you seek out bipolar girls in real life because you think their energy will fix you.
>>737170528Do I really need to remind you it's just a video game? In the game as shitty as DAI any energy is welcome, Sera's romance in this context is just more fun content. Weird of you to assume it reflects my RL preferences in some way.
>>737170528I'm sorry, in 4 posts I forgot to mention another important detail, an RL preference that does affect my in-game choice - Cassandra's brown nipples really turn me off.
>>737168281They wanted a character leftists could identify with.
>>737170769>>737170936>recoiling this hardI really wasn't even trying to upset you, but I guess I touched on something.
>>737168281GOD I want to correct her so much
>>737171704>I was merely pretending to be retarded
I've been mulling over some things and I see way too many parallels drawn between the new expanse game and the mass effect formulaThe more I look into it, the more "fuck you we'll do it ourselves you worthless trannies" elements I discoverHonestly even if they're all kinda mediocre, I'll get them on sale because we haven't had a high production value RPG with actual roleplaying in a decade
>>737169027Origins had Alistair (and maybe Oghren)then they decided to turn every character into Alistair
>>737172147that's literally what it is, thougheveryone knows Bioware isn't doing anything and there is a clear demand for Bioware-likeshonestly I'm baffled that no one else is doing these kinds of games. Spiders did and then they fucked it up.
>>737168281The main thing about DAI is its mystery box story telling game. Witch only works if the next game isn't total dog shit.
sex
>>737168931perhaps there is something in between "paragon of humanity" and "literally not having a single redeeming trait at any point in the story"
>>737168281Funny part is she’s still the best looking romanceable character in this trash game.
>>737172334How shit is the second Greedfall at the moment? I pirated the beta and was pretty disappointed after liking the first one despite the jank.
>>737172727I remember in Dragon Commander you could get the elf princess to loosen and it would reflect in her model (messier her, less glamorous clothes), I wish I could whip Sera into shapesome My Fair Lady kinda shit
>>737172798jesus I must be drunk>loosen UP>messier HAIR
>>737172341Veilguards first failure was skipping right to what should have been the mid point of the game (confronting Solas) in the fucking prologue.
Played DA:O, got to the Mage's Tower, there was some squeaky voiced retard guarding the boat. The strong silent type character, Sten, talks to him. He offers him cookies to go across. Dropped this quirk chungus reddit series at that moment.
Reminder that she's is supposed to be attractive. Other characters in-universe refer to her as a beautiful elf.
>>737168281Bioware's new writers absolutely despised the Dalish Elves and wanted to subvert them as much as possible.
>>737173081well, she is young and not fat
>>737173109Did you play the game? Be honest.
>>737168281the beginning of woke
>>737173184Great legs too
>>737173192Yes, did you? Each entry into the series after DA:O treats the Dalish like a punching bag.
>>737169027Depends on what exactly you consider juvenile, but nothing in Origins is anywhere near as bad as Sera.
>>737172727She doesn't look like that.
>>737169986The literal manchild who only gets a smidgen of actual character development in the very last DLC is "more interesting"? Don't think anyone ever said that, ever.
>>737173239But what does that have to do with Sera?
>>737173309She's a symptom of it. A hideous loudmouth whose entire character revolves around shitting on her own people, and everything is written to prove her right.
>>737168281>Only blond elf in the game>is a lesbianThis was the last dragon age I ever cared for and Bioware is dead to me. If she was straight or bi then the game would get more points from me. But since she's not, its garbage.
I tried to replay DAI recently and the low level gameplay, Sera and then Cole made me quit.
>>737173374It isn't though? She's shown to be superficial and stupid throughout, and as if not more judgmental than the Dalish themselves. She's literally the definition of an Uncle Tom, believing if she acts human she'll be considered human because of some deeply seated unresolved self hatred.
>>737173374Sera shits on everyone, she's not prejudiced against the Dalish particularly, and that doesn't make her writers mouthpiece
>>737168851Chris Avellone's legacy
>>737168851Who do you think was more mad, lesbos that they got that trash Sera, or straight women that they COULDN'T get Dorian?
>>737172262Even with Alistair as the snarky clown it has some depth though. He masks his insecurity with being a chucklefuck.Oghren is a cringe retard and the worst character by far. He has like two scenes in the game that are not insufferable.
>>737173579Oghren is funny because he's a dirty lecher, which is an archetype banished from the 2020s.
>>737168281She's not that bad. She turns down the quirk a lot after her intro and has a pretty charming romance. She's retarded, however.
>>737173579Oghren was lovely in Origins. A genuine failure of a man who is perfectly aware of it and drinks heavily to cope. It's not until Awakening that his character gets turned into just "some drunk" with no depth.
>>737168930>Dev self insertShe was created by a Bioware veteran who worked on Baldur's Gates
>>737173921And one of Veilguard's lead writers wrote some of the best characters in Mass Effect, your point?
Sera is actually a good character. She's actually a major dumbass who thinks she's smarter than she is. If you accept that she is retarded on purpose and not incidentally (i.e. with authorial intent) then you'll like the character.
>>737169954>tradwife>can’t actually marry her>you can only marry the former schizo and the lesbian elf
>Install DAO>move character>first thing he says is "Warden sense... tingling!"Dragon age was NEVER good.
>>737169954I just don't know why her jaw grew so much between DA:2 and DA:I
>malnourished thirdies still calling any woman with defined facial structure from having good genetics and nutrition while growing up man-jawedWill never not be funny. Go ahead and seethe about it.
>>737174515making disgusted noise is basically doing mewing exercise
>>737168281Sera is cute
>>737174692very cute
>>737172334>that's literally what it is, thoughYou misunderstand.What you're talking about is an E33 type of parallel, where they made a good game by reinventing the dated JRPG 4-niggers-in-a-row formula full of waifubait and spreadsheet gameplayThis isn't what I'm talking about, there's no reinvention going on with OsirisReborn and Exodus, there's literally just "fuck you retards we can do better than you with one eye closed" type of dealJust spite, a figurative middle finger to the bluesky activists LARPing as developers
>>737168281>What was the logic behind making this character?self insert of a dumb bitch
>>737174632ugly
>>737173921faggot pedo with dyed hair
>>737168281to make it relatable to americans
Bitch...
>>737176307>can't slap her to teach her respect>can't make her read to educate her>can't teach her how to talk like a ladymy life is pure suffering
>>737168281She grew on me.
>>737176606like?
>>737176701Like after the vitaar dlc outfit exposed her immaculate midriff
>>737176832Swing and a miss.
>>737174420You can actually marry her in Trespasser though.
>>737176307I hate to admit it but DA:I is probably the game that opened the door for my current chud mentality.Before that I always loved the games I bought, regardless of how bad they were because hey, everything has faults and I already bought it, right?But then you just think to yourself...>...why is everyone so gay in medieval times?>...why are most of them so hideous even though the devs could make them pretty?>...what's up with the modern haircuts in the medieval era?And then my hobby started to crumble. What a shame.
>>737168617That would be fine, but the game still asks you to sympathize with her, when in reality someone that psychologically stunted and broken isn't worth sympathizing with, they are only worth putting down for the good of everyone else.
>>737168281>Same VA for both characters>VA is well liked in FF14>VA is hated in InquisitionSo is it down to writing and direction that makes the difference or the voice acting?
>>737180787People don't hate her VA, they hate the character you clown.
>>737179613>but the game still asks you to sympathize with herThat's not even true. You can explicitly tell her to grow the fuck up and deal with it.Don't bother replying to the thread if you're just going to lie or be an ignorant retard.
>>737168931men love flawed men but hate flawed women (aka any female character who isn't a virgin pvre mommy or waifu with zero development throughout the entire game)
>>737168281My favorite
>>737168281If you told me this is a screenshot of a 2025 game I'd believe you.
>>737181164Helps that flawed men are usually well written and usually can undergo some measure of character development, while what you call "flawed women" are not intended to be seen as flawed by the writers 95% of the time to begin with.Though of course, you are just baiting.
>>737181164Cassandra is plenty flawed and people like her just fine.
>>737181261Male characters aren't "well written", men just either have more patience for or excuse their bad behavior than they do with women. They would be extremely pissed at protagonists from crime media if they were women.
>>737168281They're californian virtues. You're supposed to be awed by their spunk and rebelious spirit.
>>737181489Now I have confirmation you are just baiting. Women get away with shit that would get men crucified on the regular. Good day, troll.
>>737181164It’s not being flawed that people hate. Every party member in Origins is flawed out the ass, with the possible exception of Wynne, and people are fine with them.The twin issues with flawed characters are when either;1) the game does not present their flaws as flaws, or when their real flaws are unintentional side effects of bad writing2) their flaws make them so fucking annoying that them being intentionally so doesn’t matterTraash is an example of number 1, while Sera is an example of number 2.An example of doing it right would be Morrigan, who is initially extremely callous and dismissive due to how she was raised, which is something the player is encouraged to examine, or Alistair, whose flippancy and insincerity can get grating, but is dialled back or flat out gone when he’s faced with something even he has to take a stand about.
>>737180947>So is it down to writing and direction that makes the difference or the voice acting?
>>737185140>>VA is well liked in FF14>>VA is hated in InquisitionReady to apologize or...?
>>737168281even more baffling to me that there's a portion of people who liked this character
>>737185175Is this some ESL thing where you can't read English? What is the question that was asked and what does it mean Anon in plain English?
>>737180787Yes, and Mark Meer is a good example of this within the same series. Hell, even the same gameAs Shepard in 1, poor direction had him being stilted in neutral or toned down responses while being great in assertive ones. In 2 he was given more leeway and by 3 his performance was among the best in the game.That's not even mentioning that he's got enough range that most people aren't even aware he voiced the vorcha
>>737185586It does appear to be some ESL thing where you can't understand basic English. You made a claim, it was called out as fundamentally incorrect, and then you tried to backtrack as if you hadn't. And now you're acting obtuse instead of owning up to it.So I ask again, are you ready to apologize or...?
>>737185389lol, no way
>>737185778It's been a while since I've played Mass Effect but I do remember hearing he did the Vorcha voices, I always thought he did a better job than Hale but some reason Hale was the industry darling. Thinking about it more I really don't get it because Hale doesn't change her voice at all for the characters she plays, it's just Jennifer Hale whenever she's in a role.>>737185803You're using English words but not Engilsh syntax the clear give away that you're an ESL.
>>737185997Okay ESL, whatever you say. Next time, don't start your posts with factually incorrect statements so you won't get called out for them.I'll accept your continued attempts at evasion as concession and move on.
>>737168281It's character created by the sort of person who thinks every woman should be worshiped just for being a woman, even if she has zero redeeming qualities. They added flaws to "make her more realistic" but forgot that being female is not a redeeming trait by itself, and a person who has nothing but flaws is just a horrible person.
>>737186143Pipe down Jam boy you're paid to be smeared in jam not for your conversation.
>>737180787That's wrong though. People never hated Sera's VA. They simply hated Sera.
>>737172727mod?
>>737174265Not really? I mean, knowing that she's insufferable on purpose doesn't make her not insufferable.
>>737177573Not if she's the Pope.
>>737189395The real Catholic Pope doesn't get married either.The ending slides still specify that she fucks the HETEROSEXUAL Inquisitor, even if she's made Divine.
>>737168281Is this game worth playing with mods?
>>737190329Not really. The game's still a painful slog that only gets good during the postgame DLC.
>>737190329Only if you played Origins and are terribly invested in the setting.The best time to play it was 10 years ago.
>>737190329No, because it's absurdly long
Don't care what anyone says, Cassandra was a top tier romance. Hag tomboys are underrated.
>>737190803Based.
>>737168281i bet those fat nigger lips can suck muh dick real good.
