>>737169705
Glad someone shared my sentiment with this game.

>>737169705
The storyline is Niko working his way up the ladder of value for Hitmen as it enables him to search for his nemesis. At one point, the CIA gives him exactly what he wants in exhange for doing some crimes for them. It is ultimately an intentionally unfulfilling plotline because that is the entire driving moral point behind Niko's personality: Anger and Violence do not help anyone.

When he starts dealing with the mob, they realize he is the one who has been fucking up all their business and slowly put him in a position where is basically trapped in the criminal underworld.
The penultimate conclusion is that Niko crosses a line that he didn't know existed and loses someone he loves. The experiences throughout the game and the choices you make shape the endgame personality for Niko and how he copes with that loss. He is either angry or sad, but the final note of the story is always the same:
Hurting people will not help you heal trauma. Revenge will leave you empty. Those you love are affected the most when you commit evil actions.

It's a story that requires careful studying and full embracement of role playing, which is absolutely terrible for a GTA game, but is still one of the best crime dramas I have ever seen.

Never played it because the aesthetics look like ass compared to vibrant vc/sa

>>737169705
I think the point is when you climb up the ladder and get to where you want to be it's not as good as you expected.

that's literally all gta games

>>737170583
It's called ''atmosphere''.

What fucking endgame? What do people define as endgame in non-RPG titles?

>>737169705
It's a shame how little there is to do in Alderny. It's my favourite island based on aesthetics but there's only about 6 missions there before the game ends

>>737169705
I thought this game had awful start, it was abysmal
then you get into Bohan, wich weirdly, still feels like it's your first missions and then when you're done with first half of the game, only then you get to play interesting missions.
It feels like that Brighton beach section was showed at the last moment and you was supposed to start in Bohan

Regarding the plot - I see the potential, but I can't take it seriously. Once Nico starts talking about the war he never shuts up. They should've just hinted what really happened and that's it. Nico making things worse for Roman would've worked better if Roman had more time. Game wants you to spend time with him Bowling, drinking, etc but you don't get much dialogue or funny scenes with him. It's just - pick up Roman, drive Roman to the place, cuts to black, well it was fun, we sure talked a lot, now drive me back home, that's it.

Great map, best driving, awful character controls, nice shooting, turd graphics, plot has potential, but doesn't deliver - 6.5/10. Really wish it was the gem everybody was talking about.
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>>737171136
I don’t think you’ve ever played gta game before. It’s literally Zelda. You do quests and collect loot and buy items and upgrade your armor and weapons. You can play as a rogue, wizard or archer. It’s like literally just the standard rpg game except with dress shoes and a tie and sexual/drug advertisements. That game gave me a huge addiction to cheap Chinese prostitutes.

>>737169705
The most soulful GTA, and VC/SA had tons of it too. GTA5 was a downgrade in many ways.

>>737171532
>The most soulful GTA
I like GTA III as well

>>737169705
I agree with that sentiment but I'd personally say the highpoint to the game is when you finish Three Leaf Clover.
After you unlock Alderney, it feels like busy work and not only that but it felt fitting that Niko and Roman was struggling for most of the game an now they are on top and the rest of the game is busy work and you get to a point where: "What is the point? You have everything you need now, you can chill for a bit."
No other game since then make me felt that way without sounding it stupid, because Roman points this out multiple times and Niko keeps pushing not because of the money but for revenge. It didnt felt cheap because I dont think anyone half brave as Niko would back down from searching the truth. Going as far as him? I dont know.
In comparaison, another game I played that has this "got ya" moment was Spec Ops but it felt so forced. Like that nigga Walker just wants to bomb civilians and you cant stop him, at least with Niko the lunacy is entierly non canon and the game doesnt hide the fact that its pretty damn fun to play with the physic of the game.
The first scene in the crappy appartement of the game sets the tone, Niko telling a grim story and Roman sleeping in the middle. The game is self aware on how some people wont follow but it wont hold it against them because the game is meant to be also fun too.

>>737170950
>I think the point is when you climb up the ladder and get to where you want to be it's not as good as you expected.
nah the point of every gta is fuck i should have killed these people earlier. why did i do all this bullshit for them?
shoot catilina
shoot the mafia and lance vance
shoot tenpenny
shoot dimitri or uhh some italian guy
stab your uncle with a sword
shoot fib, devin weston, um those other guys for some reason.

>>737169705
I did kinda start to lose interest when the game became Niko helping the schizo Irish mafia family.

I like Packie well enough, but it felt weird being around them so much like you were being adopted into their family as opposed to it just being another job for Niko. Kinda felt the same way about the Italians

I also wish there were more self-contained mission branches that were optional to the main story. That way, you get more variety in the types of people you meet and help out without it necessarily having to fit in with the mafia shit.

>>737173630
Tbf, the Irish crew offered great heists and payout in most of their gigs and they are likeable dudes too.
Niko only helps the mob because they can track down Bernie/Florian in exchange for hit jobs. Niko stayed with the mob because he was in too deep and they didnt want him to retire early because he was effective and cheap to them.
>I also wish there were more self-contained mission branches that were optional to the main story.
Thats a shame, because at the begining of the game we kinda had that with Roman offering cab gig and Little J having repeatable dealing missions.
I wish we had more to do with Russian mob, the betrayal hit too early I think and with no high stake like in Algonquin high action shootouts or even Bohan too.

IMO, I feel the game mostly drags with the Bernie missions. He’s a great character, but his missions are filler. I feel the game would have benefited from being slightly shorter and also fleshing out Alderney more as Alderney feels rushed compared to the other islands.

>>737170061
I just beat gta iv recently, but I didn’t bother to go back and load my other save to team up with Dimitri instead of going after him but I am curious as to how it changes the final mission.
I just assumed it played out the same way just swap Jimmy with Dimitri because that just makes sense from a game dev perspective and I wouldn’t expect them to make an entirely different mission and finale.
But I still wasn’t sure how the story would have logically led up to this considering the newly formed alliance with the russians from the previous mission and the thought of Dimitri just pulling up and shooting someone in broad daylight was just very weird to me since he always worked behind the scenes.

That is until I read your post and realized someone else gets killed depending on your choice, which it would have to be Dimitri who does it. I honestly thought it was the same person who gets shot no matter what.
which holy shit I must have gotten the good ending cuz one of those characters is infinitely more likable than the other lmao
Also implies that Kate is the one riding with LJ in the chopper instead which is kinda cringe

>>737174081
that's my feeling too, my replays always stop when niko finds bernie, at that point narratively the drive is gone imo

>>737174081
R* missed an opportunity to hang out with him and get more lore out of him and Niko.
>Also implies that Kate is the one riding with LJ in the chopper instead which is kinda cringe
Not going to spoil you much, but I recommend for you to watch or play it yourself. The dealing with Dimitri goes exactly as one expects it and Kate reacts strongly to it. However, she aint in the heli lol. The ending you got was the good one and its fascinating to me that most people choose to kill Dimitri instead of going for the large payout. Which goes to show that R* did very well to portray a hateable protagonist that even getting a large sum wouldnt even matter when he is in the room lol.
Kinda wished they did that for RDR2, like choosing to make peace with Michah in exchange for $20k or killing him, getting rewarded for it kinda fucks with the theme of the game but who cares. The money serves to have fun post game.

>>737175314
>R* missed an opportunity to hang out with him and get more lore out of him and Niko.
He was going to be a friend you could hang out with but it was cut sadly

>>737174921
I'm just going to lay it on you:
>which it would have to be Dimitri who does it
No, some random goon who tries to shoot Niko from in the back on behalf of Dimitri, but Niko grabs the gun and Roman gets shot and killed in the ensuing struggle. Kate isn't in the wedding because before the deal she said that she would not respect Niko if he deals with Dimitri who he swore to kill.
>Also implies that Kate is the one riding with LJ in the chopper instead which is kinda cringe
Just Little Jacob and Niko. Kate wasn't even at the wedding. After killing Dimitri Kate calls Niko that she's leaving Liberty City and that she'll send a proper email explaining the reason why.

>>737170061
Thank you chat GPT

>>737175384
Same as Phil too, I kinda dont see it with Phil personally but Bernie being cut was a bad idea. I'd prefer him over a depressed Dwayne.

I was playing this on the 360 and it wouldn't run on my machine without crashing for more than a couple minutes. On my dad's, it never had an issue. Fuckin' bullshit.

>>737169705
Game peaks at the bank robbery. Once you unlock Alderney, it's all down hill. I'm often sitting there thinking "why is any of this even happening? Why is Niko here" when he's helping out italian mobsters. I know it's to find the guy that killed his friends, but it's barely mentioned that I forget and stopped caring.

>>737175314
>The ending you got was the good one and its fascinating to me that most people choose to kill Dimitri instead of going for the large payout
idk the game seems to beat you over the head with “revenge bad” even if it is from Roman who is the worst character to use for this messaging because he only says that shit because he’s too weak to fight back. He acts like he’s taking the morally superior position but it’s purely out of cowardice
>>737176758
I agree completely. It feels like the Italians could have given Niko what he wanted that whole time too, so there was no narrative being driven cuz you knew nothing was gonna happen until you completed all the missions for one guy then move on to the next

>>737177476
>He acts like he’s taking the morally superior position but it’s purely out of cowardice
Its true that he doesnt act because of his own fears but its also true that there are paths not worth getting trouble into.
Even Roman gets into his own arc and gets more confident, he settles down and propose to marry her secretary instead of just fucking around.
The game does say revenge is bad, but trading your dignity for money is worse which is why most people kill Dimitri. The guy is also a direct threat to you anyway.
>It feels like the Italians could have given Niko what he wanted that whole time too
Thats the thing, if you ever dealt with these kind of people they want to use you as much as possible and make you thinking that one day you will get what you want. The carrot was getting the location of Bernie, once Niko was tired of ray's bullshit, the only way to keep Niko around for work was that he is in too deep and many of his close friends would get hurt in the process. Niko doesnt want the same situation he had with Dimitri and continue until it the Pegorino crew was almost finished and Niko left the sinking boat. Jimmy P going out of his way to get to Niko was unforseen by many however, the guy was chased by everyone in Liberty City. From feds, the Algonquin mob and even some former associates.

SA and IV have too many missions, these games really need about 40-50 main missions. VC had around 60 in total but half of those were optional. At least TLAD knew when to stop, pure kino.

>>737178126
I enjoyed the Las Venturas missions even if was just random stuff, but I thought San Fierro mission set was just boring

>>737178126
>At least TLAD knew when to stop
TLAD didnt had enough content to fill in plot holes, so the ending feels super rushed and for some reason you need to attck a federal prison and somehow the Lost and tracked by half of LAPD.
TBoGT actually knew when to stop.

>>737169705
Halfway through I started to use the cab. Not like there was anything else to do with money.

All the nog jamican shit sucks, the heat rip off mission is good. All the ruski irish stuff is great

>>737178320
I guess. Last time I played them was 10 years ago.

>>737175314
>most people choose to kill Dimitri instead of going for the large payout
I think that at that point most players have realized that having a lot of money is pretty much useless so the Revenge is more appealing.

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>>737179456
Its less that, Dimitri is so hateable that people would shoot his kneecaps and executing him for all the stuff he did in the game rather than getting $250k.
Money doesnt get you a lot of stuff in comparaison to SA and 5 but you can buy rockets and clothes which are personally where my money is dumped and rockets are fun to use if you want to have fun in free roam.

>>737175484
never seen email from her, anything interesting?

>>737179916
For sure, choosing Revenge is no-brainer, all things considered. Deal would be more appealing if Kate and Roman's fates were switched for example.

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>>737169705
GTA V objectively had more mission variety, but for whatever reason it always felt hollow, I simply did not care about the characters and what's happening in the story.

>>737169705
I liked the mob missions. Pegorino's a bitch but at least Phil Bell is alright.

>>737180783
When every mission is action-packed Michael Bay style, things started to blur and become boring.

I started up GTA4 today for the first time in almost 14 years, after finishing a playthrough of all 5 3D era games. In this context I'm blown away going from SA (and technically VCS) into such a amazingly detailed map, I barely remember the story so I'm looking forward to it.

>>737178126
III had a good pace, but the last few missions sucked
VC literally my only issue is the business side quests should of unlocked earlier.
SA, San Fierro was boring, anything involving planes sucked.
LCS, inoffensive
VSC, I actually dropped this one roughly 10 missions away from finishing because of an annoying one, I liked the game (I'd argue it's comfortably better than 3/LCS) but the story of "lance you fucked up again" over and over again wasn't enticing me to push through to the end.

>>737170061
>Revenge will leave you empty.
If you genuinely believe that you deserve to be marked goy, have your thumbs removed and be treated like literal cattle.

Still better than 5

>>737180783
The issue was the 3 protagonists, It gave them too little time to develop the main characters let alone side characters. Franklin is straight up a nothingburger character. And that leaves what? Michaels annoying family, Trevor's trailer park friends that get written out after 5 missions in the desert, and Lamar who is the only funny side character in the game but does nothing regardless

>>737180783
5's missions are way too railroaded with scripting, mostly missing the unpredictable chaos that old GTA missions had.

>>737182015
You sound underage and retarded as fuck.

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>>737181357
In IV it felt like something was actually at stake, V was so over the top from the start you just knew that nothing really mattered.

>>737182095
Yeah Franklin is a blank slate, Michael and his family are unlikable and Trevor is le reddit comic relief.
I don't think the multiple MCs idea is inherently bad, it could work, but the characters need to be interesting and likeable.

>>737182641
This too

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once missions become inter-island i typically trip skip with taxis
it's not that i became spiteful of the driving, it's just because i can

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>>737170061
>The storyline is Niko working his way up the ladder of value for Hitmen as it enables him to search for his nemesis. At one point, the CIA gives him exactly what he wants in exhange for doing some crimes for them. It is ultimately an intentionally unfulfilling plotline because that is the entire driving moral point behind Niko's personality: Anger and Violence do not help anyone.
>
>When he starts dealing with the mob, they realize he is the one who has been fucking up all their business and slowly put him in a position where is basically trapped in the criminal underworld.
>The penultimate conclusion is that Niko crosses a line that he didn't know existed and loses someone he loves. The experiences throughout the game and the choices you make shape the endgame personality for Niko and how he copes with that loss. He is either angry or sad, but the final note of the story is always the same:
>Hurting people will not help you heal trauma. Revenge will leave you empty. Those you love are affected the most when you commit evil actions.
>
>It's a story that requires careful studying and full embracement of role playing, which is absolutely terrible for a GTA game, but is still one of the best crime dramas I have ever seen.

>>737182070
Not an argument.

>>737170061
https://youtu.be/HcWhmqvrNvc?t=13578
https://youtu.be/rlhrdXoQ_k4?t=646

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I could've saved her

>>737184931
I remember watching my older brother play that mission in GTA 4 years ago and I was convinced that guy was Niko's twin brother and the game's main villain

Jesus, has it really been nearly 20 years? Time to replay IV, I guess. Didn't play the DLC on release, but I've heard they're both good — though Gay Tony seems better regarded.

What are the best QoL and (non-cancerous) visual mods?

>>737187783
Fusion Fix is all you need

>>737169705
it went to shit once you started doing jobs for that rich clown looking nigger
i couldn't care for that irish vs shitalian mafiaslop plot or whatever the fuck it was at all

>>737187884
Hell yeah, thanks. I'll probably mod the old radio stations in too.

>>737169705
replayed this a couple of years ago and yeah I agree with this. The first act of the game, everything that takes place on the first island and Bohan is absolute kino, the 2nd island is still good for sure but not at the same level

By the time you get to the third island and the mob characters are introduced the story just comes to a screeching halt, all those character suck, there's no interesting story developments, it's just there to drag the game out.

>>737180783
>>737182095
I agree with all of this. I liked the start of GTA V when you're playing as Franklin and his goal is to make it big in Los Santos and you're doing more grounded missions then he does make it big before the halfway point, the story decides to switch over to being about Michael and Trevor's gay break up

>>737187783
Gay Tony has a lot more weapon added, plus the missions are kind of over the top. Plus it has my favorite pause menu song
www.youtube.com/watch?v=atha8XPhkuQ
TLATD was ok but it had this dumb thing where you always had to be in a formation when riding around with your other biker gang guys. I remember they added a sawed off shot gun to it as well which was cool.

>>737187783
TLAD sucks fucking ass. the characters are just intolerable retards. you'll just want to get that shit over with and forget it forever. gay tony is way better.

i've never done 100% completion of the DLCs because they're short enough i don't really see the point. i do 100% complete of IV's story every time i play it. it's fucking painful and the rewards aren't worth it, but i genuinely like the world enough that i always suffer through it.

Didn't bother with iV. Game ran like shit at the time and felt more like a tech demo than a full on GTA game.

>>737169705
>Horrible movement
>Boring characters
>Drab environment
>Sluggish gunplay
At least it wasn't full woke.

>>737170061
deeply indian post

>>737190298
>slavs
>negros of all flavors
>kikes
>wops
>micks
>whites are glowies and other degenerates
no asians, i guess you're right

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He didn't deserve it.

>>737190298
>Horrible movement
It's true that the concerous Rockstar "weighty" and ""realistic"" movement started here, but it's still miles better than V or RDR2.
>Boring characters
No. The best cast of characters R* has ever made.
>Drab environment
No. It's the most beautiful city in any game ever. The colors enhance the comfy autumn vibe.
>Sluggish gunplay
Euphoria alone makes IV's combat the best in the series.
>uhh but the cover system is not perfect duhhh
Shut the fuck up.

>>737191443
>but it's still miles better than V
IVtranny's only coping method lol

>>737191768
guess which game actually removed content because of trannies, you wouldn't believe it!

>>737191768
When a sequel makes a certain mechanic worse that it's predecessor, it's a valid criticism to point it out, you fucking thoughtless subhuman.

>>737191970
IVfag obsessed with V? must be a day ending in "y"!

>>737192653
Yeah, 4 was a huge downgrade from SA in pretty much all aspects, but especially controls and driving.

>>737184741
>>737175615
>>737190375
>/v/tards get intimidated by a SINGLE paragraph of the most surface level analysis of a narrative
jesus christ, and this board cries about videogames not being considered "art".

>>737192880
>controls
Arguably.
>driving
Not in the slightest, although retard really do seem to have problems with IV's driving.

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>>737169705
>kino beginning
>kino middle
>kino end
Kino

>>737192880
Actually it was an upgrade from SA in pretty much all aspects, especially controls and driving

>>737193256
How do you pronounce that word, bratan?

>>737193474
like chino

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>>737171490
Why Chinese specifically? There aren't any in any Gta game from what I can remember aside from possibly Ling

>>737187783
>Didn't play the DLC on release, but I've heard they're both good — though Gay Tony seems better regarded
Nah Gay Tony is great, great chemistry and writing with Luis Lopez. Both DLCs are high action, but TLAD suffers from a rushed storyline and TBoGT is great doesnt overstay its welcome while still having room for side content if you want more.
I heard there is a mod that mix TLAD and TBoGT together with the main game so you can watch and do all the activities as Niko as well as having updated models for both Luis and Johnny.

>>737192880
Truth nuke

>>737191443
based