if obsidian are so good how come they haven't made a good game since new vegas

>(Chris Avellone:) I was in a meeting with Bethesda, where, a few days before, I'd done an interview about the Gamebryo Engine. And someone had asked me, "Hey, is New Vegas going to run 30 frames per-second?". In my mind, it's inexcusable that a game would not run 30 frames per-second, so I said, "Yes, it will". And, to my surprise, I'm in this Bethesda meeting, and this tech director starts lecturing me about, "You shouldn't have said that", and I'm sitting there taking it. And all I'm thinking about in the back of my mind is, "Why do you have a fucking engine that can't run 30 frames per-second, and then call -that- your claim to fame, and -you're- the director of technology?" It was so offensive to me. And I sat there, and smiled, and I took it. But overall, that in itself was one fundamental flaws of the technology there. And I've known programmers that worked at Bethseda. They say that the engine has all sorts of messes under the hood. But that 30 frames per-second thing, that's on Bethesda. And I'm like, "I shouldn't be being lectured about that. You are the ones who should be being lectured about it".

>>737171989
Bethesda is dead company walking starsaar proved that they can't write can't code can't improve anything. At this point you can't even expect there older games to keep working because every time they update a game they either break it or make worse.

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>>737172051
Obsidian did not make a good game since NV
Bethesda since Morrowind
Bioware since Baldurs Gate 2
Blizzard since Warcraft 3

The industry is just hasbeens on all sides

>>737172051
I like Pillars and Stick of Truth

chris avellone is a crazy person but i want this to be true because the idea of bethesda condescending to obsidian over new vegas' flaws would be deeply funny

>>737172220
Being contrarian is not a personality.

>>737172297
Eating shit is not a virtue

>>737172220
i genuinely enjoyed avowed even if it was a 7/10
also mass effect 1 is borderline objectively good and i don't care what people said about the gunplay

>>737171989
Cool.
Did they make a powerpoint with all the things they themselves did wrong with every game they made since like Oblivion thoughever?
Or the things that they didn't do at all with them, like fixing a myriad bugs that had to be solved by modders in the form of unofficial patches?
I bet they didn't.

>>737172051
>if obsidian are so good how come they haven't made a good game
Should have just stopped there.

>>737172136
>ejaculate
That's 4chan as fuck. The only things Anons know are fapping and shooting cum.

I can see bethesda hating the game since they care mainly about open world exploration and worldbuilding, which are the worse things about NV by far. Even F4 is a better game despite the horrid writing

>>737172284
Chris Avellone isn't crazy. He's extremely respected by Todd Howard for writing the Fallout Bibles and keeping Fallout alive in the 2000s.

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Welcome_Back_to_Fallout
>Chris Avellone, whose work is always fantastic.

Vault 106 is literally based on what Chris Avellone wrote in 2002, although he doesn't appear in Fallout 3's credits.

>>737172220
New Vegas sucks, like even worse than everything that came after

>>737172051
Pentiment is honestly a game that's good according to the standard of vidya classics, not just the modern standard where it gets an 8+ for running properly and doling out some dopamine in the first hour

>>737172593
Forgot to mention I'm brown and trans

>>737172454
F4 sucks in that way because there's never anything that feels worth finding. f3 nailed the "find unique place, find unique encounter, find unique loot" loop and F4 really fucked up the loot part at the minimum
>>737172431
i like some of the inconveniences and find them more immersive like getting physical directions and public transit instead of waypoints and fast travel

>>737172220
I mostly agree except NWN was bioware's last good game

>>737172454
The worldbuilding of NV was one of the best things about it. 3 and 4 are theme parks in comparison where you're not supposed to think about anything too hard. NV's focus on worldbuilding is what hurt the exploration aspect in the first place.

>>737172780
is this a setup for going "actually that's bisexuality" when someone points out that you can fuck basically every male companion as a male PC

>>737172881
So like starsaar you massive faggot.

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>>737172454
>Even F4 is a better game despite the horrid writing

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Chris Avellone is a gem. I would highly recommend his blog.

>Was Fallout, as envisioned in Fallout 1, intended to be a powerful political statement about the evils of capitalism? Nope. How do I know? Becase I went to the source (Tim Cain) and asked. I thought there was a chance I was wrong, so rather than commit to an assumption, I decided to do some basic, easy research. Like asking a question vs. making a statement. It helps. While there might be stories told by individuals and quests in Fallout that are anti-capitalism, to say its roots are anti-capitalist and Fallout was originally envisioned as anti-capitalist or an anti-capitalist statement is 100% wrong.

>>737173136
When was it confirmed that vault-tec dropped the bombs?

>>737173216
the TV show, which todd said is canon

>>737173240
Oh, never watched it. Yeah, that's retarded, wonder why they're so adamant about a shitty TV series that wasn't even written by them being canon

>>737173284
>wonder why they're so adamant about a shitty TV series that wasn't even written by them being canon
To own the chuds.

>>737172319
>Says the guy that spends countless hours on /v/.

>>737173351
Well, I doubt they'll even remember or care about the show to consider it canon anymore by the time Fallout 5 comes out.
I hope.

>TKs-Mantis: Now Bethesda has made Zetans canon with their DLC in Fallout 3. And that's fine. It was a fun romp into space...
>Chris Avellone: It was not fine.
>TKs-Mantis: (Laughing) Okay, it's silly, is what I mean.
>Chris Avellone: No, no, because there's one moment in Mothership Zeta that ruins it. Otherwise, I was having a great 'Time Bandits' experience. I'm like, "Oh wow, I've got allies from across time that have been kidnapped, and like they'll fight along side me, I've got a samurai, it's awesome". But then they had one voicelog that ruined everything.
>TKs-Mantis: What was it?
>Chris Avellone: Where it implies the aliens brainwashed the president to start the war. I was done.

I love how he doesn't give a fuck and just outright says this stuff.

>>737172086
lmao

>>737172515
>Dude 4chan is this den of jacking off
This is true. You guys LOVE masturbation.

>>737172669
>f3 nailed the "find unique place, find unique encounter, find unique loot" loop
LOL
M
A
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go shoot some more supermutants, will ya?

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Eternal reminder

>>737172350
I genuinely enjoyed the combat in Avowed. I wish Bethesda would take notes on it for ESVI

>>737172454
NV had great worldbuilding, but the actual environments were boring to explore. NV was Obisidian’s first open world game and that inexperience shows. I don’t think Bethesda “hates” NV per say, but they definitely wouldn’t design a game like that themselves.

>>737171989
It's obvious there was a certain level of disdain from Bethesda that the public appreciates New Vegas more than 3 even if they would never admit it now. The PR would make them look childish and and pathetic. That's why Todd always gives diplomatic answers since he knows how to play the game.

It stems from the fact that the public's appreciation of more "perceivable" complex systems found in New Vegas is a rejection of Bethesda gradually simplifying their games over the years

>>737172220
>Mass Effect 2 isn't one of the best games of its era
Lmao!

>>737172051
>deadfire
>grounded 1/2
>pentiment
It's ok to say you don't actually play games

>>737171989
How short was it or did they stretch it out by including incorrect opinions presented as facts?

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>>737171989
Let me guess, NV wasn't simple enough for emil?

>>737172051
because none of the same devs. this is true for literally every developer brand now.

>>737172086
So it's ok when Bethesda blatantly lies but when Obsidian does it they bitch?

>>737175802
"Fallout 3 has 200 endings" - Todd Howard

>>737171989
Actual humiliation ritual Goddamn

>>737175980
Obsidian never recovered from the rape

>>737172431
>games are when they tell you what to do and where to go
That's a job you're thinking of.
Morrowind is y about checking quests off a list; the player motivation scheme is entirely different.

>>737172220
>the same people work for a company for their entire life
retard

Bethesda never had any issues with Obsidian, Obsidian spends every day seething over Bethesda's success.

>>737172051
Outer Worlds is ass but it mogs Starfields

>>737172051
Both Pillars of Eternity are p. good
Pentiment is a decent visual novel.
Stick of Truth is a good western JRPG and it beats the Ubisoft made sequel.

>there are now people on /v/ who are saying fallout 4 is better then NV
holy fuck this place has fallen hard

>>737177242
If you just want to loot and shoot then yeah, Fallout 4 is vastly superior of a game.

>>737173136
>twisting a knife into plausibility and the lore
I hate this style of argument, even if I agree with his conclusion that it sucks. The issue is who cares if it breaks "lore"? It's made up. The real issue is it breaks the spirit of the lore/themes of the story.
Vault Tec throwing the bombs further destroys their characterization, despite them starting out as benign in FO1. Hell even in FO2, the experiments were mild, the effect being they really were trying to preserve humanity post nuke, but they were just stupid (e.g. water chips horde in Vault something-something).
This not only takes them in a new direction, but a weird one. What does the series benefit from this? The Vault Dweller, Chosen One, the Lone Wander, the Courier; how did their journeys get reframed with this big shift? The answer, nothing. It's just a twist that spits on your heart as much as it spits on your mind.

>>737172086
Bethesda hasn't made a good game since 2011, so it's okay really.

>>737174851
More than that, what pissed Bethesda is FO:NV is the best game in their catalog. I can imagine the face of Tod when playing FO:NV "oh fuck it's great, that will make us look bad" so he had to lie about reasons FO:NV isn't a good game.

I'm a mediocre myself, like Bethesda and Todd, but I don't try to belittle others to make me feel better.

>>737171989
troon vegas BTFO

>>737174851
>>737178038
>New Vegas faggots plying their common trade of revisionism, again
It's so tiresome.

>>737178235
The only revisionism I see about Bethesda is people pretending morrowind wasn't a soulless piece of junk like all the other elder's scroll games or bethesda's fallout games.

I mean imagine bethesda's "childhood dream" game and most ambitious project is starfield. This game is a joke and people who say they like it are clinically retarded.

I'd feel terrible if I was Todd Howard or any person who like video games but happens to work at bethesda.

>>737174351
And yet the FO3 and MGS4 are where they fail because only nvtrannies hates fo3
Now mention how blizzard and overwatch sucks and watch those faggots seethe and foam in rage.

>>737178370
>Now he's denying reality
Man, you guys really don't do much to disprove the stereotype about new vegas fans.

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>>737178624
>chim is so deep bro, and Vivec is so cool

>>737177643
The theme of fallout 1 and 2, above all others, is fuck America. This is self evident from the literal intro of the game.

Making it anti capitalist is ironically just a way to shield themselves from that. It's blaming one coporation when in Old Fallout it was America as a whole. It deserved to be destroyed.

>>737178705
You misunderstand, I think morrobabs are retards too, but they don't ply in revisionism like nvfags.

>>737178558
I will never understand why shartrannies defends NuBlizzard so blindly

>>737178787
Retard alert
the 'theme' of Fallout 1 and 2 is 'fuck war', in the 'war never changes' routine. And the entire point behind THAT theme is it is in human nature. No one knows who dropped the bombs first, and it doesn't matter, because it was going to happen. FO1+2 repeat this in vignettes.

It isn't until FO3+ that you start getting shallow anti-capitalist bent and a vain pursuit of who dun it first, as if it mattered, losing the entire underlying conflict of man-vs-himself.

>>737172051
Most of the people who worked on new vegas were gone by the time outer worlds was in dev

>>737179114
I love Fallout 3. I love how Liberty Prime spouts very subtle and satirical comments about how the US hated communism in the 1950s. Even though this is a retcon and Fallout 1 had a playable character that comes from Soviet Russia.

>>737179321
Are you retarded

>>737179114
Anti capitalism messages were in the first two games also.

>>737179114
Bethesda turned Fallout into a satire of Freemasonry in America which is actually edgier and more subversive than anything Obsidian does. How can you seriously say Vault Tec wanting to kill everyone and experiment on people doesn’t make sense when you look at the world today

>>737179387
Yes, I love Fallout 3.

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>>737179810
This is almost as long as a leftist meme.

>>737179868
I'm sorry your adhd prevents you from reading more than one sentence.

>>737179536
>oesn’t make sense when you look at the world today
it's a video game

>>737179536
Because it is a shallow commentary on a place and time.
FO1+2 place us hundreds of years and an entire global civilization removed from today and the same problems exist. The problem isn't capitalism, communism, freemasonry, and the solutions certainly aren't in any other ism or organisation. They're inherent to us. 'war never changes' because we don't. FO1+2 aren't trying to change the world with a vain promise of a problem we can solve. it's making the same principle as Utopia - the book. A perfect world may exist, but you, me, we, will never go there. For by ever arriving, it will fall short of expectation.

>>737179428
Because it is part of the broader milieu that includes anti "human" messaging, in so far as the game is presenting it doesn't matter what the message is, if its humans driving it, it will be toward the same end.

>>737171989
Based. New Vegas sucked and Bethesda shouldn't be holding any punches.

twitter tourist would rather link an an image of a youtube link that actually post it

>>737172220
Nice job triggering so many bootlickers.

>>737179321
>I love how Liberty Prime spouts very subtle and satirical comments about how the US hated communism in the 1950s.
>he thinks liberty prime is satire
>he thinks Emil is capable of satire of any kind
You aren't supposed to think anything when liberty prime throws nukes everywhere on the way for the other remnant of US government to retake control of the water purifier, especially not logistics of purifying the outlet basin instead anywhere upstream. who exactly gets the water when everyone already has pumps to make do and most of population is supermutant ghoul raiders who want to eat, rape or rob people

>>737180358
You're supposed to think: I hate 1950s America

>>737180687
>You're supposed to think: I hate 1950s America while a robot throws nukes and shoots laser from it's eyes
?

>>737175235
I'm genuinely impressed they didn't go with a voiced protagonist in Starfield or that awful 4 wheel dialogue tree again. Well Bethesda didn't learn much since FO4 and Starfield were both terrible still

>>737180687
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=2&cId=3172024
>. We knew we wanted to have this big, pre-war, anticommunist robot. In the original plan, he was going to be massive, and the player was going to ride in his head, anime style. And, well, yeah -- that never happened! And then there's the name.... He was actually named long before the Transformers movie,

>>737178235
Just look at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_VaJTKE9ok as an example
These literal who devs when asked in a public forum, you can just feel the vibe of them from their body language and answers they making sure to not give off a dismissive vibe of the game. However, as the conversation went on they seemed much more eager to criticize it such as the dungeon design. If these no names are like this, you can almost guarantee that leadership like Todd and Emil were even more harsh behind doors

>>737180059
Fallout 1 and 2 are great and New Vegas has better writing on the whole. I’m just saying some of the Bethesda stuff is funnier than people give it credit for. You’re in a “Plato’s Cave” of the Vault and you go on a journey where you find out the world is comically cruel/bleak and your home is controlled by genocidal eugenics freaks. With lots of sly references to Freemasons thrown in. Probably inspired by Bethesda’s experiences growing up in the DC area. I never thought that 3 had “bad” writing despite the tone being goofier than the OG fans probably wanted

>>737181353
I can guarantee you they were not. The comments they are referring to were barely even a thing when New Vegas was new. New Vegas was instantly eclipsed by Skyrim releasing only a year later and remained at people's forethought until FO4 came out. The FO3 vs NV discourse only really became a thing when some e-celeb made a "Fallout 3" bad video in like 2016 or 2017.

>>737179114
>'fuck war'
Only really fallout 1, and even then the game goes out of it's way to portray the USA as no better than the likes of the Nazi Germany, Roman Empire, and Spain. Which is, by itself, a huge blow against the concept of American exceptionalism and the values they supposedly believe in. America is evil, but at best you could argue it isn't shown as being uniquely evil.

Meanwhile, in Fallout 2, the main theme is the legacies people leave. In that regard the entire point is that the Enclave is not just evil but uniquely evil even compared to everybody else. Being directly contrasted in the Master, a guy who largely embodies human nature in the first game, and shown to be even more inhuman, unreasonable, and ultimately beyond even the mildest form of redemption. Not only that, but it's shown that this status as being uniquely evil is because of their direct connection to the old USA government and it's actions and believes. The game ending with the last remnant of America being wiped out and the game not only threatening this as a unambiguously good thing, but the last thing you learn about the Enclave and the USA is that both it and it's leader go down into the history book as a literal bogyman for children.

>>737181930
that was in 2014, and it was hboomertranny aka the faggot who made one of the DK apes a tranny

>>737181992
I just checked, his Fallout 3 video came out in 2016

>>737179536
BGS is incapable of satire.

>>737172051
Nobody left they can mooch off because nobody wants to work with those retards twice. But it's always everyone else's fault.

So do you retards just not understand how big companies work? Post mortem discussions with collaborators happens all the time, it helps you avoid fucking up in the future. Apparently Obsidian didn't listen because all of their games have fucking sucked since except for Stick of Truth and Pentiment

>>737180059
>the problem
The problem is America. Everything bad in the fallout universe in 1+2 can be directly traced to it legacy and the actions of it's renmant. The problems are resolved through the total destruction of the USA, it's legacy, and the creation of something new founded at least partially on foreign values.

>>737182241
Devs will do their own post-mortems but I've never heard of a publisher telling a developer what they did wrong.

>>737179074
Would you believe me if I said they just do it for yucks? At least initially; you know that quote about inviting fools in?

>>737183459
How often do publishers give studios all the assets from another studio to make the game with?

>>737172051
Why do people always use this question when the answer is that these companies are a revolving door of talent who are simply not being replaced? The studios people love are not manned by the same actual flesh and blood people down on that developer level creating the content you loved years ago, they are now some mostly occupied by millennial onions infused faggots and wahmen creating absolute DEI level slop.

>>737174895
>a side quest with no stakes that wouldn't even impact the story if it never happened
>downgraded gameplay somehow
kek, let me guess if the indoctrination theory was real ME3 would have been good?

>>737182332
you are histrionic. You should go outside and touch grass and form relationships with real human beings

>>737183632
Happens whenever a sequel is given to a different studio or when things get really screwed up, like what happened with Bloodlines 2. Avellone's never mentioned Obsidian getting this treatment for KOTOR 2 or NWN 2.

>>737180358
>You aren't supposed to think anything when liberty prime throws nukes everywhere on the way for the other remnant of US government to retake control of the water purifier
Yeah? According to the devs themselves they thought the idea of liberty prime was cool so they put it in the game

>>737181226
They saw that the most downloaded mods were the silent protag and full dialogue box mods and being bethesda they decided to steal those, too

>>737184653
Wrong, CBBE has most downloads.

>>737184495
Yes. I even linked the homo erectus with a type writer saying ooga booga anime stile rididing big robot and throwing nukes, and pointed out retarded plotholes he demands you ignore.

Fallout should just die, completely. It is the most reddit videogame franchise out there.
Everything has to be so fucking goofy and quirky in it.

welp everything it seems

btw why the FUCK are themes not working on this fucking site

I'll never forgie obsidian for turning Dungeon Siege 3 into action slop

>>737172051
Because they promptly fired Chris.

Next question?

>>737172297
He is right and his opinion is so common sense that you would be hard pressed to find someone retarded enough to disagree, so you are actually the contrarian.
Apply yourself your own advice, retard.

>>737180278
>MUH BOOT LICKERS!11
lol
do you cry when a cop passes by
reddit cuck

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>>737184984
Nah, I like Reddit, quirky, and goofy. I do not enjoy fallout. Though Ive only played 1 and 4.

>>737181980
>Only really fallout 1, and even then the game goes out of it's way to portray the USA as no better than the likes of the Nazi Germany, Roman Empire, and Spain. Which is, by itself, a huge blow against the concept of American exceptionalism and the values they supposedly believe in. America is evil, but at best you could argue it isn't shown as being uniquely evil.
Bro
that is what I said.
It's a nation of people. No shit the message in a game minding 'war never changes' is critical of America. The same criticism bites every other Nation in the alternate timeline equally.

The enclave in particular isn't even "The US Gov". It's just a band of fucks that happened to be in position of commanding authority when the rest of the world was crumbling. It isn't strictly the natural progression of the fictional Federal powers. It is commentary on the human condition.

>>737182332
You're missing the forest for the trees.
Literally everywhere is fucked. Very little is the consequence of the Remnant, the Enclave is largely removed from all events.
Most important, we are only seeing the American West Coast, but the narrative thread is simple - every other surviving power or population is having the same problems, because they are the same problems that provoked the bombs dropping in the first place. It wasn't 'America', 'Capitalism', or even 'China' or 'Communism'. It's just PEOPLE

Remove yourself from the critical edge of the narrative at your peril. You are no better than me, nor I better than you. The entire point isn't that your're wrong. You're not. You're just not bothering to look beyond your own horizon and realize the same exact problem exists over 'there'.

This is fundamentally a Utopian story, and one that reflects the human condition.

>>737172051
Pillars 1, Pentiment, and supposedly Grounded is good for what it is, but what it is is something I don't care about.

>>737177075
cause Bethesda ripped them off big time making huge profit on Vegas and never playing % to Obsidian thanks to a scammy contract

>>737189415
Why the fuck would Obsidian get a percentage? They got paid to make the game.

>>737173136
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>>737177643
Season 2 already showed it was a red herring, chuddies
House confirmed that vault tec never dropped the bombs

>>737191008
That it was something they even considered was stupid.

>>737189415
>willingly sign a deal saying that you will get a bonus if you can reach a certain metacritic score
>failed to achieve the score so you didnt get the bonus
>endlessly seethe about it for over decade and a half
Absolutley pathetic subhumans.

>>737190127
Cause they made the whole game which earned millions, they got exploited and cucked

>>737193380
they got scammed and it was down to some shitty no-name sites downscoring it, litereally 2 scores from some nobody polish sites denied them the bonus

The powerpoint for everything Starfield did wrong is longer than the story bible Emil wrote for Starfield.
>lets make a setting where the galaxy was at war and we had armadas of ships battling and had GIANT FUCKING MECHA FUCK YES but then uhm that wars over and no you are not allowed to ever see a giant mecha because we banned them they are not to be used (this will surely make it so no one will ever use a giant mecha not even pirates who don't care about obeying the law)

>>737196450
Obsidian doesn't even care that much about not getting a small bonus. They were more upset over Bethesda not giving them a release date to work towards, putting more value in marketing over development, and not wanting to work with them again even though New Vegas made them a lot of money.

>>737172771
the official campaigns suck though, does it still count

>>737171989
Was "Tell not show" world building near the top?

All the FPS fallouts are just super fucking boring.I never understood why they were so popular. Finishing the 3 main plots genuinely pissed me off.
Yet I absolutely adore starfield. I might just be stupid

>>737196854
Obsidian has always struggled to find people willing to work with them twice.
They have a bad habit of blaming others for their failings.
They never learned "Don't bite the hand that feeds you"
They are called Obsidiot for a reason.

>>737196450
So?
You know those little "ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR SERVICE? shit stores and businesses ask you to do? Any time you do anything less than 5/5 someone somewhere is getting their ass chewed out by it.
Doesn't matter if it was something major or "It was great, but always room for improvement 4/5 :D" shit that ruins your average.

>>737172454
>the worse things about NV by far
>worse
THANK YOU, SAAR, PLEASE DOING THE NEEDFUL. WE AM NOT NEED TO LEARNING THE ENGLISH.

>>737178558
>because only nvtrannies hates fo3
>[plural] hates
We need to bring IP flags to every board, I'm sick to death of Indian fuckups pretending to be people.

>>737172454
>open world exploration and worldbuilding
Yeah they definitely let you do that. Here's cave #55 same as the last cave with minor loot and enemy placement variation. SO MUCH EXPLORATION AND DISCOVERY! THE WORLD BUILDING FROM THOSE "POINTS OF INTEREST" IS SO GOOD. MMMMMMMM YES SLURP UP THE BETHESSHIT, INJECT IT INTO MY VEINS!
Anyway here starfield where you can see so wonderful things like "open world copy pasted asset". Wow.

>>737196450
>Cause they made the whole game which earned millions, they got exploited and cucked
Who cares, they got paid to do a job. Do you also think construction companies should get royalties from stores they build?

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>>737172454
>the horrid writing
This is an insane understatement. 4s writing isn't just horrible, its apocalyptically bad. Its so pants on head retarded that it's difficult to even seriously analyze, because there just isn't any logic to it. It's the only video game I've seen with writing so terrible that people have deluded themselves into thinking it's actually good, to the point of inventing elaborate head cannons they reference in place of the actual game.

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>>737184653
Iirc he actually tried to. SF was originally meant to have a voiced protag.

>>737199675
I think Crimson Desert has shown how little writing matters to a well done video game.
I think you are more a fan of narratives than gameplay. I bet you are a huge Witcher 3 fan as well.

>>737171989
So can we see any slides from this powerpoint? I'd really like to know what exactly bethesda saw wrong with it.

>>737199919
Why are you like this?

>>737171989
>instead of learning what we can do better we decide to bitch, wear a dress and cut off our dicks

>>737200119
Why do I enjoy gameplay in video games?
Seems an appropriate thing to do.
Do you read a book for the cinematography?

>>737171989
>>737172086
Fucking based
>so in the contract you need to use our engine that's been used since 1997
>I understand Bethesda, sir. I will do the needful
>nearly twenty years later: BRO NO FUCKING YOU THIS ISN'T FAIR REEEEEEEEE

I love how assraped Avellone and Sawyer still is

>>737199675
>4s writing isn't just horrible, its apocalyptically bad.
Case in point:
https://youtu.be/Scfv1phAJcw

>>737196450
They got bailed out of bankruptcy by Bethesda, not their fault that Obsidian's management is dogshit and likes to do shit behind the devs back (like signing the 18 month contract with no warning)

>>737199675
Fallout 4 writing is okay, probably the best-written modern Bethesda game because they simply tried to copy New Vegas.
>It's the only video game I've seen with writing so terrible that people have deluded themselves into thinking it's actually good
You’re forgetting about Skyrim and Oblivion where people justify far worse things.
>to the point of inventing elaborate head cannons they reference in place of the actual game
You’re probably referring to the theory that Nate and Nora are actually Synts and the game literally suggests this
Again, the writing in Fallout 4 isn’t great, but it does have its moments

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>>737202297
As usual Fallout 4 haters haven’t even played the game
Trust me, I can find plenty of dialogues that make no sense at all without context in NV

>>737202679
It doesn't make sense in context either, you're coping hard

>>737185758
>The same criticism bites every other Nation in the alternate timeline equally.
Like I said, only vaguely in Fallout 1. By 2 America is shown as uniquely evil compared to every other political institution, even many past ones.

>>737179114
>No one knows who dropped the bombs first
Tim accidentally confirmed on a fairly recent interview that China dropped them first, due to them finding out that the US was still engaging in bioweapons research (FEV).
https://youtu.be/2_igMd0Y1Uc

>>737185736
some newfags have actual shame
and then there is this nigger

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>>737202795
It makes as much sense as a speech skill check in any Fallout game. Are we really going to pretend that all the skill checks in NV make perfect sense and don’t sound like complete nonsense sometimes?

>>737202937
> Guy that doesn't work for the IP holder confirms something that isn't in game.

Not familiar how confirming works?

Emil confirmed that WW3 in Fallout universe was caused by aliens, though

>>737203109
Doesn't matter. If America was wiped never existed aliens never could have caused the war. They are uniquely evil.

>>737203094
>IP holder
As much as I hate shit like Rowling making up horse shit years after the fact, the creators have more say of their creations than what an IP holder says.

>>737203030
>It makes as much sense as a speech skill check in any Fallout game
lmao cope harder

NV>F3, this us why Bethesda is eternally asshurt and cindictive towards Obsidian. Wipe the shit from my asshole with your tongue faggots.

>>737203183
They actually don't. If it isn't in the original games it is irrelevant to the lore.
If it is in the game the new IP holder can say it is no longer the case and change it at will.

Simple facts it would be silly to argue. I get the feeling you will try.

>>737203408
I hate the argument because the same shit happened to every IP I once actually liked.

Obsidian actually develops and publishes games though, quality beside the point. Meanwhile Fraud Coward wants you to forget he even mentioned Elder Scrolls 6.

>>737172220
trvth nuke

>>737203458
It isn't an argument. It is a simple statement of facts.

You not liking objective reality is not the same as objective reality existing.
> Realizes he is in a New Vegas thread.
You are trans aren't you?

Canon in general is what you make of it. You can take the IP holders at face value, you can take the OG creators at face value, you can make up your own shit etc.
These are fictional works within fictional worlds, it's not like it is the fucking bible where they have to decide what is canon to scripture and what isn't.

>>737203886
That is incorrect.
Canon is the strict purview of the IP holder.
They are the final and only arbiter.

>>737203989
Then why do a lot of IPs have differing levels of canon?
40k for example has shit loads of contradictory canon over the many editions, what is canon in Rogue Trader (Leman Russ was an Imperial Commander) isn't true in 10th. To say everything is one canon despite intentions of when a work was originally made is silly.

>>737203989
this is why superman will always lose to goku. toriyama authored his entire comic and that's what is canon, superman has like 4 authors

>>737204129
WH40k tells everyone to have at it.
As long as you color within the lines your fanfic can be canon.

>>737204204
They share a universe? I don't think they can fight.

>>737203886
There used to be a simple and beautiful time when literally everyone agreed that something like Mothership Zeta was not canon and it should fuck off into the realm of being a dream. But now in 2026 you have a lot of very demented people who are genuinely trying to tell people that the Amazon show is canon or represents the actual games. It's very sad.

>>737171989
>>737175802
It was clearly nothing more than a humiliation ritual so Bethesda/Zenimax could claim Obshitian didn't meet their expectations and therefore would not be used for contract work in the future. Keep in mind this version of the team still had a lot of the old veterans from the Interplay days, hell most of them worked on New Vegas simply to work on Fallout again. It would look weird in the industry if Bethesda admitted they did great but never allowed them to make another Fallout game again, hence all of the performative dumping they did to the team.
Besides, those Zenimax jews love blaming others for their own shortcomings. Just look at how they were treating the other studios they acquired before Microcock took over.

>>737201792
nta but if you don't think books can have good shot composition and "camera" angles then you are actually fucking retarded

>>737204746
> There used to be a time I lived in a delusional bubble.

I bet you were happier back then. Reality is a bitch.

>>737183971
genuinely neither of those two things are bad

>>737173132
Where is this from? Homophobia in New Vegas was less about a "fear" and more to do with most of the societies wanting to grow their numbers with procreation, something homosexuals are unable to do.

>>737204913
Not sure if serious or merely pretending.

>>737205042
if the writers of new vegas were smart they'd know being gay doesn't make you infertile
gays and lesbos can get each other pregnant

I've only ever played New Vegas vanilla with stability mods, hwat are some good mods for it?

>>737205106
As a big cheater i liked
>shoujo mod
>recruit anybody
>sprint using AP
>F4 style looting (not having to open every container every time)
>new vegas weather
>faster wait times
>perk every level
and whatever the mod was that added in something like 40 more perks

>>737202867
The Enclave, yes, which are only a demonstration of power corrupting. The Enclave is not a natural progression of representative constitutional democracy. It's the natural course of human nature, which is what the entire underlying theme is. War doesn't change because we don't. We're the problem. No one is coming to save us because we're the very problem in the first place.

You're wanting to call poison ivy a rose because that's what the label says.

>>737172051
every game after chris was forced out was shit, most of their games before that were good to great. it almost seems like there's a correlation.

why are trannies so obsessed with new vegas?

>>737205359
Never try to get into the mind of the mentally ill.

>>737172136
>ITS A REDDIT GAME
>always posts the same character
You fags are so desperate for anything bad to say about this game. Meanwhile Fallout 3 has some retards larping as super heroes and quipping at each other.

>>737205532
One game took itself way to seriously and one wanted to be emjoyed.
It is all about priorities.

>>737205098
Yeah but it’s problematic to imply that. Like say you have a nobleman in a fantasy game who is gay. He always has to end up being some dude who will die alone or elope to the inadvertently tolerant magical city state instead just getting into a sham marriage, pumping out a few heirs, and then having a gay lover on the side. Dragon Age had a whole conflict around a monarch not doing that in canon and it made zero fucking sense there.

>>737205714
One game had it as a DLC and the other had it as part of the world at large. Not to mention 3 absolutely took itself seriously it was just written by a bunch of retards who can’t balance tone properly.

>>737205828
> The writers that had a town made up of incestuous cannibal Republicans were a serious lot.

I see we are struggling with the word "serious"

>>737206013
That is serious to them, yes. You seem to not understand how retarded Emil is.

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>>737172051
If Bethesda are so good how come they haven't made a good game since Morrowind

>>737206063
> That is serious to them.
I am sure it has come up many times in your conversations with them.
Must be nice to have direct contact and not have to just imagine how things are.

>>737206219
Why would they start?
Slop eaters are easy to please.
If you could choke down Morrowind you could choke down anything they did after.

>>737206319
>retard can’t argue how it’s not the case
>can only cope and say “w-well you don’t know”
I do because it’s how they always write “serious” shit it’s always retarded and tone deaf. Fuck the whole encounter with Shaun in 4 was the epitome of retarded.

>>737206219
that dog wants to be punched

>>737204881
>>737171989
Seems really tacky to do this after the game is complete. What is the actual context here? was this some pep talk before they had them make the DLCs? I wonder how many of those wrong things are actually cool things that bethesda didnt like just because.

>>737172350
>avowed even if it was a 7/10

>>737206493
> It is how I imagine it is so that IS how it is.

Seriously, are you trans?

What did New Vegas do wrong?
What did Outer Worlds 2 do wrong?
What did Avowed do wrong?

>>737174895
Bait.

>>737172454
>which are the worse things about NV
>worse
The worldbuilding is one of the best parts about NV, jeet.

>>737172597
I completely gave up on Obsidian until I played Pentiment. They haven't made a good game since, though, so I guess Josh Sawyer just carried that title.

>>737172136
At the time, that kind of humor was just accepted at face value. Portal 2 came out just a few months before Old World Blues did.

>>737173240
>>737191008
The show confirmed that Vault-Tec employees did it because they were actually Enclave spies.

>>737172051
Veilguard?

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>>737200031
Did you saw Fallout Series by Amazon?

>>737172669
>find unique place, find unique encounter, find unique loot
you're descibing Fallout 4, and I hope F3 gets the same treatment touch up in the remake

>>737207729
New Vegas is just old as shit now. Current teens will play Fallout 4, but FNV looks and feels reeeeally dated visually by comparison. Meanwhile, Fallout 4 got a major update for the 10-year anniversary just last year. Outer Worlds sucks though, so no excuse for them on those. People complain about woke stuff in Starfield, but Outer Worlds is so, so much worse on that.

>>737207915
>See a door in some random building
>No marker on the map
>It’s a theatre
>There’s a bunch of mannequins standing on stage
>One of them is Synth
I love NV, but it really lacks stuff like this
>>737208139
Yeah, but it’s still surprising how NV sometimes beats Fallout 76 player count.

>>737208139
>Fallout 4 got a major update for the 10-year anniversary
Is that update still incredibly broken?

>>737208139
>Fallout 4 got a major update for the 10-year anniversary
Not it didn't, it got the same thing Skyrim got, a bunch of creation club slop bundled with the complete edition

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>>737208258
Yeah, you're just forced to downgrade
>>737208263
The initial release of CCs was garbage, but they later added a few paid-free mods that are actually really good.

>>737208258
I think they fixed the VATS issue a year and a half later.
Not bad for a union studio. They usually drag things out.

>>737208393
Maybe, but the anniversary edition wasn't a major update, it was just a new bundle.

>>737208509
But it was an update. Even if you hadn’t bought AE you still got some of them for free, along with the update itself, which basically broke everything. Just like with Skyrim

>>737171989
One trash talking about other trash.
Both are trash.

>>737171989
>>737172051
Becuase they aren't good. Obsidian and the remnants of Black Isle died after New Vegas.

Who would have thought, when you tard wrangle the retards at Bethesda and force them to be glorified world and level design monkeys, their games are actually good when you put a competent writer in the lead like Kirkbride with Morrowind or Avellone with New Vegas.

But no. Obsidian was never good. New Vegas was a accident. Most great games are.

>>737208639
An update, not a major update. And anyone that got their modded saves bricked deserved it. How the fuck can you play these game and not know that disabling automatic updates is common sense?

>>737208732
> Kirkbride competent.
Good one. I thought it was you TR shill.

>>737208732
I almost agreed with you, I thought you had said Oblivion was never good.

>>737208509
I meant major as in consequential, not good quality. It was a big deal when it happened and broke a shitload of mods, but tons of people came back to the game nonetheless. Part of that was from the TV show, but the update caused a big bump of its own.

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>>737172086
BASED

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>>737171989
>Bethesda
>using powerpoint
>blaming Obsidian's FNV despite Todd Howard love that game
lmao WTF is this shit fucking Bethesda piece of shit

Bethesda also told Chris Avellone he can't have more than 10,000 lines of dialogue in the DLC which is why they're 90% pure combat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3aobafRUlo&t=1800s

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>>737172086
bruh, modders community has achieve more than 30fps, 60fps to 200fps smooth without glitching out in F:NV alone, I'm sure FO3 too right now with extensive use of modder's autism. But Bethesda bros, holy shit this is level of egoistic nature in hell!!

>>737172140
They could hire those modders who fix and improve their game, all those crazy plugins doing black magic shit on game as buggy as new vegas, Bethesda could hire those people, could learn from them, could 'steal' the work from them, you know, 'STEAL'.

>>737172454
LMAO FO4 feels even more smaller size than FO3 you dumbfuck nigga

>>737210870
has there ever been a case of a modder being hired where he actually does good work afterwards?

>>737210967
Some but very few

>>737210941
>Actual multi-level city rather than several narrow locations connected by tunnels
Nice bait

>>737210764
You might be legitimately retarded anon.

>>737210967
I was going to say Rocket from DayZ mod, but then I remembered he quit after getting paid.

>>737210967
Not strictly modding but the AM2R guy got hired for the Ori 2 team and that game was generally well received.

>>737210967
I think the guy who made Falskaar for Skyrim used that on his resume to get hired at Crytek (I think).

>>737177792
>Oblivion and Skyrim were good
lmao
>>737206771
>What is the actual context here?
That the Game Embryo engine is a rotted carcass that Bethesda refuses to let go because they're cheap ass losers. No, I don't give a shit that they're calling it the "Creative Engine 3.0" now. Bugs found in Game Embryo are still in the latest iteration of Creative Engine.

>>737214334
No he wanted to work at Bethesda, but instead got an offer from Bungie

>>737214342
What makes it even better is that it's just the Bethesda version of Gamebryo that is absolutely fucked, I still remember playing Divinity 2 Ego Draconis and it had functional ladders.

>>737214342
>>737214775
>Brainlets still crying about the engine
Will it ever end?

>>737172051
same reason that unknown worlds hasn't made a good game since natural selection
some people are better working on others base work

>>737172086
thanks for being honest about it 30 years after the fact chris
yet you took it like a good boy at the time

>>737206902
>gets btfo
>waaaah tranny
Typical shit eating bethesdrone. What you going to throw a tantrum and spam your tranny folder to cope?

>>737172051
>all these seething replies
kek

>>737177094
to be honest starfield is a bit better since it isn't 100% wokeslop like outer worlds. starfield still has some slight hints of bethesda's better games, outer worlds on the other hand has nothing going for it, it is completely soulless

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>spoiler

>>737202531
>Fallout 4 writing is okay, probably the best-written modern Bethesda game because they simply tried to copy New Vegas.
No
>You’re forgetting about Skyrim and Oblivion where people justify far worse things.
>whataboutism
You’re probably referring to the theory that Nate and Nora are actually Synts and the game literally suggests this
No, I'm referring to how whenever the obvious flaws in fallout 4s narrative are brought up, namely in regards to the institute, people invent head cannons to justify their actions.
>Again, the writing in Fallout 4 isn’t great, but it does have its moments
Not really.

>>737172454
Yeah the exploration in Fallout 4 is so great, nothing quite like opening up a sealed untouched pre-war ruin and finding pipe pistols, jet, mutfruit and a stash of bottlecaps

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>>737202531
>Fallout 4 writing is okay
No, it isn't.

>>737204881
To this day I can't help laughing at the fact that someone had the balls to name a company, literally, "MAXIMUM MONEY."

>>737218398
NTA, I admit I can't think of anything particular in 4 that stood out to me very well. Even the far harbor shit with DiMA. It was all very servicible, but not great or memorable. Low impact stuff.
For as much shit as 76 gets, at least that game had a handful of storylines I still think about sometimes.

>>737172220
So what game after ~2010 do you like, granpa?

>>737202531
>Fallout 4 writing is okay
How is it even remotely okay?

>>737202531
>>737218398
The Institute is a black hole of stupidity that sucks the entire game into a singularity of retardation. It is difficult to out into words just how bad it is written and how it negatively impacts everything else in the game.

>>737172454
You can barely speak English lmao and you're claiming F4 is better. What a joke.

do zoomies still pretend the TV show is good?

>>737204992
the problem isnt that mass effect 2 is a sidequel , the problem is that it sort of ruins the whole point of the trilogy and the story it was trying to tell. It should have been its own thing, rather than a sequel to 1, because as part of the trilogy it really makes NO sense thematically.

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>>737171989
Todd you vindictive fuck sometimes you crack me up

>>737222393
The Institute is just a less evil version of the Master and the Enclave from Fallout 1 and 2 respectively. Any complaints you have about it could just as easily be applied to previous games, and it would be even worse.

I didn't read any of this thread.
I feel like at this point there's been to much smoke for there not to be a fire regarding Bethesda's seethe towards New Vegas.

>>737223459
Mass Effect 1 makes no fucking sense if anything
>Hullo Repoor, what are you
>YOU CAN'T COMPREHEND
>okay Reaver, what do you want
>YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF DISCERNING OF ANY MEANING ON THIS TOPIC
>Rimmer, do you have any goals beyond telling me I am too dumb understand your grand plan?
>Y-Y-Y-ES? YOU STUPID
Mass Effect 2 at least introduces story slowly with coherent structure rather than you chasing crack cocaine fueled visions of an abandoned parking lot

>>737223546
Members the anniversary stream where their special acknowledgement was fuck you 15 second ad to spend
150 freedom dollars on a statue and the vanilla release of New Vegas

>>737210739
>Bethesda also told Chris Avellone he can't have more than 10,000 lines of dialogue in the DLC which is why they're 90% pure combat.
What an arbitrary limitation to impose for no reason

>>737172051
Stick of Truth was Obsidians last good game and I will forever die on this hill

>>737224097
Maybe resourcess/cost budget allowances for DLC. As in you can’t have all that dialogue because we’re not giving you the money associated with voice actors etc for a “bite sized” content addition to our product

>>737223543
You are either delusional or you never actually payed attention to what's going on in fallout 4. Not only is the institute unambiguously evil, they're really, really stupid. The Master was doomed to fail because he was a flesh blob with a god complex, and even still he had an actual plan he was carrying out successfully. And the Enclave was a fully functional chunk of the prewar government that just wanted a super weapon to kill anyone who wasn't them, so they made one. The Institute on the other hand, have no real plan, no real goals, and have wasted nearly a century on a pointless vanity project, so obviously self destructive and ill advised they basically had to gaslight themselves into ignoring reality. They're not a real faction, they're not even a plot device, they're a hollow facade that exists purely to explain the existence of fake humans and nothing else.

>>737184984
Always has been since Faggout 2.

>>737196450
The profits from NV are rounding error compared to later games. They paid for their work and that was it.

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>>737171989
Did they also do one on why Fallout 4 was worse?

>b-b-but bethesda totally wasn't blown the fuck out and humiliated by new vegas, anyone saying that is silly!

i got told this dozens of times over the years. hope those anons feel real stupid now. season 2 of the tv show was made to shit all over new vegas too by the way.

>>737172051
Because no one who worked on NV still works at obsidian. Companies don't make games, the people working at the companies do. The company is just who pays them.

>>737224180
Obsidian at their own admission shit at managing themselves so having to enforce budgetary constraints was a smart idea Todd's part. Not wanting to deal with their messes after bailing them out makes sense too.

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>>737199919
NTA but every aspect of Fallout 4's gameplay, besides the combat (as in the combat itself, not the other gameplay systems feeding into it), is worse than NV.

>>737206887
a 7/10 is still good
meanwhile bethesda games are 4/10s

>>737224195
It really is fucked. They went out of their way to make everyone in the region fear and despise them. The closest group who I can say are similar are the Think Tank since they are booth doing retarded unethical experiments for the sake of “science” but the Institute doesn’t have the excuse of being a bunch of senile brains in jars stuck in a recursive loop so that they can be tard wrangled by one of their former colleagues.

>>737172640
only brown trans people like fnv thoughbeit if anything you're implying the contrarian stereotype to be white and aryan

>>737184874
>model replacer
Well they stole that too they changed all the models for Starfield. Checkmate.

>>737208639
>it broke EVERYTHING
>look inside
>mods
>most were patched in a week
Faggot.

>>737224409
Okay for the last one in that image the institute didn't kill everyone that was frozen, the cryo chambers were already failing due to the timespan. Kellog did kill your wife because he's a fucking psychopath and the institute scientists are poor judges of character to begin with.

>>737214342
Oblivion no, Skyrim yes.

>>737172051
unironically the stick of truth is their last good game before going full low budget nu-bioware

>>737174351
What a shocker

>>737177094
>Outer Worlds is ass but it mogs Starfields
At least you can be white in starfield.

>>737171989
I don't get this particular angle of attack against Bethesda. Don't get me wrong, I like hating on them as much as the next guy, but if you're looking to iterate on a game (IE: Make a sequel) of course you're going to sit down and make a list of all the things you think the previous game did wrong. The whole point of a sequel is to make a bigger and better version of the last game, and Fallout NV was the Fallout game they published before Fallout 4.

And if you play Fallout 4, a lot of it does read like an iteration on 3/NV. The gunplay is better, the crafting system is more fleshed out, power armor went from just another piece of gear to it's own holistic system with a custom HUD, and they added an entire settlement system. Now, I think all of this doesn't rescue Fallout 4's notable faults, and in many ways Fallout 4 is a huge regression from NV, but the attempt was obviously there and in a big company you can't just talk about stuff, you have to document it and present it to your co-workers. That's just how it is. And I find rumors that Bethesda has some kind of grudge against Obsidian absurd. Anyone who makes anything, especially something as hard to make as an open world video game, gains an immediate and deep appreciation for the craft and their cohorts in the same field. Chris Avellone and Todd Howard probably have a ton of respect for each other just given how long they've been in the same line of work.

And I mean, for Christ's sake, if Bethesda made some kind of public slavering beautification of Fallout New Vegas, or if Todd Howard went on air and sucked Chris Avellone's dick, would that make Fallout 4 a better game? Would that fix all the characters and factions having shit motivations and awful dialogue? Would it help the awful quest design and garbage DLC?

>>737227073
Considering Bethesda made and sold Fallout 4 and Starfield, I'm not sure how you can claim they respect anyone or anything.

>>737172051
Pillars of Eternity and Pentiment were great.

>>737227073
>And if you play Fallout 4, a lot of it does read like an iteration on 3/NV
>The gunplay is better, the crafting system is more fleshed out, power armor went from just another piece of gear to it's own holistic system with a custom HUD, and they added an entire settlement system.
None of that shit is why people liked Fallout 3 or New Vegas. It just goes to show that they lost the plot and all criticism is justified.

>>737207357
That's even worse.

>>737227715
One thing you have to understand when critiquing Bethesda is that they genuinely see Fallout 4 and Starfield as these huge triumphs rather than massive piles of dogshit. Large organizations can believe plenty of wrong things when they're still making tons of money.

>>737227881
Yeah that's why I said it reads like an iteration, not that it is an iteration. Fallout New Vegas' draw is the interesting setting, well written characters, and compelling conflict. The gunplay and graphics were mediocre by 2006 standards and the game came out in 2010. But Bethesda doesn't see roleplaying as the big draw of their games, so they iterated primarily in the gameplay rather than the story or RPG mechanics, which were instead heavily scaled back.

>>737172220
Actually Bethesda hasn't made a good game since Daggerfall.

>>737228168
>Large organizations can believe plenty of wrong things when they're still making tons of money.
Sure which is why I can believe they seethe over NV.

>>737208732
>Avellone with New Vegas.
he didnt write New Vegas, you dumbo, John Gonzalez did

>>737173240
You retards need to learn the difference between IP and canon

>>737172051
New Vegas is in my top 3 of all time yet even I'd struggle to call Obsidian a good studio. They've made exactly two good game in their entire existence and both times they were piggybacking off somebody else's work.

>>737230859
>They've made exactly two good game in their entire existence
KOTOR2, New Vegas, Stick of Truth. That's three. Get dunked on.

>>737227073
>The gunplay is better
It’s not, it’s went for being more like a generic FPS while having everything be quantified with a shitty rarity system
>the crafting system is more fleshed out
Again it’s not, it just makes all weapons into generic plug and play shit where anything unique about them comes from some buff you get from the aforementioned rarity system
>power armor went from just another piece of gear to it's own holistic system with a custom HUD
Which completely gimps it and turns it into a hassle to use. It’s not seen as a goal or reward but just a thing that any retard can use. Not to mention the retarded localized damage system and fusion core shit means that it’s always situational and any retard can turn plink off bits of it.
>and they added an entire settlement system
Utterly superfluous just ending up as busy work shit that barely effects the word or story at large. Game should have been centered around that with the goal being to unite the commonwealth not just have it be yet more shit to fuck around with. Why does Bethesda make everything into busy work?
>but the attempt was obviously there
It’s not, it comes off as trying to either make new gimmicks for people to drool over or a sort of spiteful “take that atheists” move from the devs. I mean the whole settlement system reeks of “alright if you think we suck at building settlements they you do it”. Like someone saw all the “what do they eat” talk and got really upset and insecure about it to the point they just said fuck it and only made like five actual developed settlements.
>And I find rumors that Bethesda has some kind of grudge against Obsidian absurd
Less the company and more NV and the west coast setting as a whole. And the reason for that being relevant again is the show. And if you want to argue that then feel free I can give you a list of fuck ups.

>aaah delicious arr pee gee sloppa omnomonom

>>737171989
i still don't get their fuckup with pre war jet in FO4
why did they it? was that a shitty attempt to retcon? why? do they take actual pleasure in meaningless fucking with fallout lore? or did the writer actually not know a huge chunk of fallout 2 plot?
it's just so baffling to me

>>737218398
nta but it's canon dummy
a cannon shoots big metal balls

>>737172220
Retarded man makes a retarded post.

>>737231552
>no ackshully the existence of a prewar protein with adverse side effects means that the sociopath chemist prodigy dweeb is a fraud because peepee poo poo
nothing aside from scrap held together by rust and feces ever gets invented after the war by anyone ever because according to toddlerone that's what war never changes means.
Presence of Jet on the East Coast was already retarded in fallout 3, but it got overshadowed by Radscorpions, in Washington DC.

>>737202531
how does mc being a synth makes that retarded story any better

>>737231552
Jet lore was fucked from the get go.

Fallout 2 Myron: I invented jet.

Also Fallout 2: I was addicted to jet before Myron was born.

Don't overthink Fallout lore. Nobody cares. Not even the devs.

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>>737171989
>Bethesda taking over Goodsprings to market their sloppa while telling Obsidian to sit in the cheap seats like a cuck
Lmao what a bunch of petty little bitches

>>737172051
Well New Vegas came out in 2010.
How's your favorite series or dev been doing since then?

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>>737208258
Nevermind how broken the game is, the added content is overall trash.
>leave Sanctuary at level 1 and be immediately attacked by several automated power armors
>near infinite shooting automatic baseball gattling
>multi projectile Enclave gigaweapon that dwarfs the MIRV
Bethesda either doesn't care anymore, or all the competent people left and what remains just can't do better.

>>737171989
Its been like 16 years already, just let it go bro, stop putting that big ass fallout new vegas logo in all of your game trailer, stop talking about fallout new vegas altogether - people already beat the game and get the house ending, yesman ending, caesar ending, ncr ending, even elijah. Just let it go

>>737172051
obsissies didn't like this... fippy bippy...

>>737210967
Enderal guys are doing Gothic remake

>>737228895
i see it clearly now, latinx ethnics shilling NV

>>737238143
So that's a no from you.

>>737238101
Nah we’re going to keep having new Vegas threads far into the future. Much more important than the currency of whatever nonsense just released last month

>>737172220
This man is speaking some truth right here

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Pillars of Eternity, Pillars of Eternity 2 and Pentiment are good games and I'm tired of pretending they're not.
"There's been nothing good since New Vegas" is literally a normalfag-tier opinion.

>>737238616
Josh you should make more yt videos, they're entertaining.

>>737238616
Your opinion is not widely shared.
The Pillars games are boilerplate crpgs that could have been made at anytime since 1990.
Penitent was a vanity project that made little impact one way or another. It existing and it not existing would have had the exact same impact on Obsidian's future.

>>737238616
I had le blast with Avowed. It's alright.

>>737238850
>Your opinion is not widely shared.
Yes, like I said, "There's been nothing good since New Vegas" is a normalfag-tier opinion.
>The Pillars games are boilerplate crpgs that could have been made at anytime since 1990.
They could have been made at anytime since 1979. But they weren't. Both games are easily in the top 100 best CRPGs as of the time they were released. And that's more than good enough for me.
>Penitent was a vanity project
based
>that made little impact one way or another
So?
>It existing and it not existing would have had the exact same impact on Obsidian's future.
So?

>>737238850
>not widely shared
You know what else is a widely shared opinion? Normalfags being assbackwards dimwits with merit opinions

>>737239010
Glad we agree you hold an abnormal opinion.

>>737239121
So normalfags , as the most common type of video game enjoyer, are of the opinion they themselves are retarded?
Seems unlikely.

>>737207915
>find unique loot
literally doesn't exist.
there are like three guns in the game that all look lame and gay, and the rare unique weapons the game have no unique design, they're just vanilla weapons with a name and some middling effect.
NV has dozens of weapons in the game that fit a variety of builds and aesthetics (cowboy guns, ww2 guns, tacticool guns like ar-15s and tactical snipers) and also has many unique weapons with custom models.
If I clear out a dungeon in NV, I might find a cool cowboy lever gun or an m1 garand or a light machine gun.
If I clear out a dungeon in FO4, I'm going to get a fucked up looking 10mm pistol with a stock and a barrel extension and an oversized optic.

>>737222583
t. english phd (puny hmong dick)

>>737171989
I simply like the fact that the "popularity" of the tv show proved how fat and indian beths devs are with how badly they handled 76 recently