>ruins video game discourse
How is he wrong
Context?
Yes, I do indeed control the "Buy" button
>>737174418people complained about glory kills in doom and they told people to just not do thembut not doing them makes the game objectively harder so it's disingenuous
>>737174387but does something awesome happen?
>Design game around pressing all the buttons>"just dont press all the buttons lol"
>>737174387But none of the buttons do anything except pause the movie...I mean game.
>>737174480Yeah that's fucking stupid. Sure, you can just not press it but if the game was designed in a way to recover health and ammo that way, and you have no legitimate alternative, then it's just an incredibly fucking stupid thing to say.
>>737174410Because he's the one coding what the buttons do, and how valuable some of those buttons are. It's a false choice from the start.
>>737174410Because designing a game around dogshit mechanics and then blaming people for using those mechanics is nonsense. It's a terrible attempt at dodging responsibility as game-designers.
>>737174410>game heavily rewards you for using one of the main mechanics in the game >"just don't use the mechanic lol"
>>737174387>Just don't press the isnta-win button broGet the fuck out of here. At least make the isnta-win a hidden cheat code that ruins your score or some shit.
>>737174410>but others shouldn't be allowed to press those buttons if I don't want to press those buttons!
>>737174387the fucking worst example of this is subhumans saying "just don't use focus mode lol" in monhun wilds
>>737174387This unironically triggers the everloving fuck out of camera fags in 3d games. When I tell a souls faggot complaining about the camera that he controls the camera it always causes meltdowns.
>>737174775do you mean when the camera spazzes out like in the cleric beast fight?
>>737174775This isn't the same argument, and is a good example of how it ruins gaming discourse. Using the camera is a normal part of the game without any particular advantage. If anything, using it is a skill of its own.
>>737174387>just don't use the mechanics we put into the game deliberately to force you to use the mechanicsNot the smartest cookies, these guys.
>>737174775And it triggered them in a totally unrelated thread, well done.
>>737174775bragging about "triggering" people that aren't even in the thread is such loser behavior lmao what the fuck are you doing, what a weak power fantasy
>>737175174Well, there goes the thread. Have fun with what follows.
>>737174387matthewmatosis has a bit about this"context sensitivity" destroys that idea, which would otherwise be nice, clean, and true
>>737174410>design bad feature that breaks the game>"but just don't use that feature!"
>>737174636It's fucking astounding how many people don't pass the sally anne test
>>737175219what did he mean by this
>>737175789I assumed he would get much more triggered by such transparent flaming and the whole thread would immediately devolve to 400 posts of name calling. Apparently I gave people too little credit. Shocking.My view of "you control the buttons you press" is the same as with cheating: the moment you activate godmode, the game becomes inert and uninteresting within 5 minutes. Why struggle and strive for mastery if you could just press the win button?
>>737174563>Make the game more difficult!>No, not like that!!
>>737174387I control the buttons I press in response to the dev laid parameters and options. Your move
>>737175985i think you're just being made fun of dude
>>737174387this really explains why dark ages was so fucking bad
>>737175238what do you want them to do, anon?recall the game?
>>737176290I am very autistic it seems.
>>737174387I hope that someone replied with "I control the wallet I use"
>>737176156>make the game more difficultmore like make the game playable only in a certain way, while asserting on social medai that you don't need to play that way
>>737176345Design it better
>>737174418In Doom Eternal, a few of your weapons/abilities only exist as a method of regaining ammo/health/armour, making all three effectively infinite. A guy said this was a stupid design, and the Doom twitter guy replied with that.
Why is /v/ still throwing a screaming tantrum over Eternal not flopping as predicted?
>>737176338Yeah, they listened to all the retards crying about difficulty in doom eternal
>presses the torrent button
>>737174410he's notaverage gamer is 70 IQ and too stupid to realize it tho
>>737174387>press the refund button
>>737174410Because balancing challenge and incentives is part of the process of designing a game.If you can press the "kill everything and win" button, the player is going to do that every time, and the game will be less fun for it, because the essence of fun in a video game comes from tackling a situation with limited tools and limited options.>but you can choose to make the game more challenging!I'm not the game designer. They're supposed to do that.
>>737174410It's the job of the developper to balance his game
>>737178606the game was balanced, retard. the context was one guy complaining about an ability
>>737178663it's balanced so you're compelled to press the "do an awesome thing" button every few minutes, which not every player wants in their retro styled FPS. It's an understandable complaint.
>>737174636Sally will look for the marble in the box obviously
>>737176156Without the chainsaw cutscene attack ammo pinata, you are not given anywhere near enough ammunition to complete the game
>>737174387>Struggling in the game.>My character is too weak, needs more power.>Press the power button>Instead of giving me power, it turns off.Wow, great advice.
>>737174410Because it's the developer's job to make a well-balanced game, fine tuning the gameplay to be as enjoyable as possible, while giving some options WITHIN REASON like a difficulty setting and turning some smaller features on and off. Giving a bunch of options and features and telling the player "make your own fun" is a very lazy approach. Food analogy warning: It's like a chef giving you a bunch of ingredients and saying make your own delicious meal, instead of something more reasonable like just letting you choose the side entree.
>>737174636>but others shouldn't be allowed to press those buttons if I don't want to press those buttons!Unironically true. The social aspect of a game is important, it's beneficial that everyone has a similar experience so they can bond over it. For example I don't want some faggot who played on a braindead assisted difficulty mode being part of the discourse around the game. And don't pretend games aren't dumbed down all the time and ruined for longtime fans.
>>737174387A consequence of games being viewed as modular instead of holistic.
>>737174636>>737175453This is a poorly made test. Sally will look in the basket first because that's where she left it, but the image makes it vague, as if Sally might have already looked in the basket and it's gone missing, in which case she should check the box. Her expression and pose, as well as the sentence "where will Sally look for her marble" makes it seem like she already checked the basket. Misleading and retarded test, I'm not fucking psychic.
>>737179598You're genuinely retarded or pretending to be so.
>>737179684Refute what I said. Why is the test worded so poorly? Why doesn't it say where should Sally look FIRST? It just says where should she look, as if it's missing. And her looking confused in the picture does help. Especially if you're a retarded child being given this test. And then when the retarded child gets it wrong, they think they're more retarded than they actually are, when in reality whoever made this test is a retard.
>>737180063Genuinely retarded it is.
>>737174563>and you have no legitimate alternativethe "control the buttons you press" is retarded, but technically this is not true. There's health items, and in 2016 the siphon grenade is absolutely busted. In Eternal there's several ways to recover health and ammo with all the stupid MMO cooldown abilities you can do.
>>737180097found the boomer who made this retarded test. just own up to your mistake.
>>737180353
>>737174387Yup, I wont be pressing that "put in cart" button! Thanks for the reminder slop-kun!
>>737174410>make gameplay gimmick the core of your combat and the game is, by design, tedious and unfun if the player refuses to engage with it>"dude just don't use it! :^)"
>>737174387>Helpful hints for game progress
>>737174410>sequel to favorite movie comes out>it sucks>BRO JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES, YOU CONTROL WHAT MOVIES YOU WATCH SO STOP COMPLAININGit's the classic "stop asking questions and just consume product" and ruins discourse because it waves away any complaints without actually addressing them.
>>737179598congrats you passed the test *pachi pachi*
>>737180652Sometimes the solution is so obvious yet I still manage to screw it up.
>>737180652That's actually helpful, the Cyberdemon has so much health that you'd think it's invincible, but this reaffirms that it can be killed.
>>737174387This was in reference to someone saying they dont want to use it /v/ is completely unaware of the original context of this quote but in being unaware they exposed themselves as being turbo casuals as the arguments they're making against the "incorrect' version of his tweet are pathetic >the game is too hard if I dont use a specific spellLiterally do one challenger run in your life.
>>737174387Why the fuck was there a grenade switch button if there's only two grenade types
>>737174480this isnt true niggera guy was complaining about DOOM 1993 not having grenades and not wanting to use them, when Eternal was showcasing the Freeze Grenade
>>737180801After playing on nightmare its most likely so that a single button is your 'panic' button, maybe that's why?
>>737180832what the hell you're right, i was sure it was about glory kills all these years
>>737180779it's less about that specific situation and more about how it was used afterwards. people will post that quote to literally any criticism about a game mechanic
>>737174610I hate this shit. If other players are telling you to TRULY beat a game in a specific way, your game design is just dogshit. I should be able to play it whatever options are available to me, not self-contained specific scenarios I gotta play to show I "beat it".
>>737180779>>737182071it's the same as the zanzibart tweet. that tweet was just a good faith joke but it destroyed souls lore discussion for years
>>737182161>I should be able to play it whatever options are available to me, not self-contained specific scenarios I gotta play to show I "beat it".and what should the enemies in FPS do? Just stare at you while you DMC-air combo them in isolation
>>737182257What do you mean? I want them to obliterate me as much as they possibly can within balance of the game. I want it hard.
>>737174636If anne was black i'd check the box first
YOU CHOOSE THE BUTTONS YOU PRESS>bunch of people choose to not click buyNOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
>>737182558Eternal made like half a billion dollars apparently
>>737182589>EternalNo idea what that is
>>737182589And TDA bombed as soon as this >>737174387 becomes their mentality.
>>737182692game in op pic
>>737182758their mentality in Dark Ages was 'accessibility' though, they even got an award for it at TGA
>>737174418Doom added a metric fuckload of hotkeys to what is effectively just the first fucking game, but not using these hotkeys makes the game far harder or outright impossible.Someone said this was a stupid design decision and the developers snorted to not use the systems the game is heavily designed around.Basically imagine if Todd Howard said to never level up in Oblivion.
>>737182851>Someone said this was a stupid design decision and the developers snorted to not use the systems the game is heavily designed around.That is also not what happenedno one was complaining about hotkey quantity, they compared the Freeze Grenade to being a modern, CoD like feature (even though Eternal innovated on grenades by removing animation dependency for throwing a grenade) because that isn't old school like 1993, and DOOMs identity as a game is centered on the originals who are seen as the Monolith of old school design
>>737182816that's directly related to that meme. So much accessibility focus that they forgot to design the fucking game.
>>737181968This is what you get for not searching things and checking it out for yourself, and being a retard that relies on second or third hand information
>>737174387Hello everybody, it's DarksydePhil!I need that munay, to pay muh bills
>>737183139it's really not that serious my friend
i poop the niggers i pee
>Design game around the use of a feature>People don't like the feature>"lol just dont use it">Don't use the feature>The enemies are damage sponges, movement is crippled, certain enemies become unkillable>"Bro you're playing the game wrong"I don't see the problem bro. Just ignore Clutch Claw in Iceborne, Parries in Doom, Drive in SF6, 1 More in Persona and Odin in FF16.
>>737183209Yes. If you want to play game X without Y feature, that means you want to play game X.Dark Ages lets you customize its difficulty so you can play without parrying. And of course, just mod lol>but I dont want to play game X without Y features because its not FUN not because its difficultThat's entirely different from what you're talking about then.
>>737183321If I reduce the damage enemies do so I can survive homing attacks meant to be parried then I can just ignore every attack that isn't meant to be parried since they do trivial damage. If I reduce the HP of enemies so I don't have to use the shitty armor overheat mechanic then every enemy who doesn't have armor will pose no threat to me at all anymore.Either I play a game balanced around shit mechanics or I play a game with no balance at all. Eithe way: the game sucks.
>>737183496literally argued that point away in the post you're replying toreread itat what point will you realize youre just calling any permutation of game you dont want to exist 'unplayable' and hypothesizing it not being a game anymoreSome games are easy some hardBut you can still play it, and tune it to infinite degrees till its balancedwhich is what the OG complaint was
>>737174387>noooo you are so ableist
>/v/ completely bvckbroken and still in denial that eternal was 2020 goty and the best fps in a decadeare you all darksydephil?
>>737183592The original post misconstrued people's complaints as being upset they're forced to press a button. Of fucking course nobody is literally forcing you to press that button, nobody has ever argued that and making the discussion about it is being insincere and back handed. When people complain about a mechanic they do so because of the impact it has on the rest of the game, not because the game will crash if I don't press the button.You literally cannot be retarded enough to think that the core issue here is that people want to complete the game without using a feature, it's so obvious that it's about the feature making the game unenjoyable.
>>737183796incorrect, the person arguing in the initial tweet was being very superficial (but in a different way than (You) are currently)see>>737183013
>>737183139>>737183184Doesn't help that anytime someone says they dont like the glory kills some retard comes out of the woodwork posting that tweet like it's some gotcha
>>737183865Git gud then
>>737183862That changes nothing. Someone complaining that freeze grenade is a shit feature doesn't mean he's complaining that the game literally forces you to do it and there's no way to play the game without it.
>>737183735eternal was great, the thread is about the cultural impact of that tweet
>>737183985that's not what the original tweet said though, it was very explicitly whining in a way highlighting DOOM as a purism monolith and grenades as a CoD feature
>>737184092Then "Just dont use them lol" is already an asinine off topic answer that misses the point. Instead you should be arguing why grenades are not a "cod like mechanic"
>>737179360/thread
>>737183921Absolutely moronic response, git gud at what? Typical modern slop consumer response
>>737184167ok retard guess whatyou're not just wrong your double wrongTHERE WAS NEVER AN ARGUMENT IN THE FIRST PLACEone guy was asking for a 'toggle feature off' option, and the devs told him to unbind the keyno one was talking about game design
>>737184287Oh so I guess this:>that's not what the original tweet said though, it was very explicitly whining in a way highlighting DOOM as a purism monolith and grenades as a CoD featureWas just a lie then. lmao
its about gay options in video games and the logic of "just dont pick the gay option!" not the fact that they retroactively made henry a huge faggot who takes it up the ass in medieval europe with blacks and jews also stupid shit like cuman cock sucking immediately after the tutorial ends and if you dont , you get literally no content and its the laziest possible way to handle it and the devs add in fucking talking dogs to lecture you about revenge bad for the people who murdered and raped your girlfriend and family less than 2 months ago and you have to cheer them on as they complain for not being paid for butchering your familyfucking god awful bullshit , yeah just dont participate in 90% of the game's content you designed every single player to engage with
>>737184442schizos losing it
>>737184374The implication as per most people online was that the original guy was being passive aggressive, because at the time of the Ice Grenade reveal, a LOT of people started criticizing Eternal for being a "Hero Shooter" (COLORFUL PICKUPS, CHAINSAW, BLOOD PUNCH, 2 GRENADES, FLAMETHROWER, DASH ABILITY) like Overwatchso there were people on twitter trying to farm epic owns and retweetsThe guy in the pic was possibly just a European with bad englez, so the meme took off with a different contextBut we will never know until we invent mind reading
>>737184835Why are you arguing about intend and the bigger picture now when moments ago you were saying "This is just about whether you can technically play the game without using the feature"?
>>737184960Because none of it accurately depicts the historical and perennial history of the subject, it's depiction, interpretation, legacy, inspiration or the logic of the Characters in the play accurately unless depicted as such.
>>737174608>>737174387Eeeeh, it is kind of a middle road.Take for example Sotn in which defense is broken BUT you have practically no reason not to use max luck so you actually end up low on defenseAnd AoS where there's practically no reason to use anything BUT max stats and cam just pause heal at any point you are practically immortalSometimes self control is good
>>737184526not losing it its literally the narrative and related to this they put in shit content, and if you complain they said OP , but then have no content other than thatso enjoy your shitty doom with parry
>this [thing] makes me OP makes the game braindead easy!>then just don't use it retard>its in the game why should I not use it????Retards don't have self controlI also saw someone complaining about RE9 recently>its just a stealth game>leon doesn't even need to shoot you can just run past or stealth kill everything and parry bosses
>>737174636>Ooo I love my marble>leaves
>>737174387will they be this sassy when they're working at taco bell?
>>737184442>hate gays>see "be gay" button next to the "don't be gay" button>press the gay button>money wasted
>>737185823I don't even want the option to be gay
I remember when some people tried to use this argument for the retarded dodging in Other M.
>>737186271>so tempted to press the gay button he needs it to be removed entirely
>>737174410It's a deflection from objectively bad balance.
>>737175453It's a highly illogical test with numerous variables that aren't accounted for. >does Anne have a history of putting the marble in the box when Sally is away >did Sally forget she put the marble in the basket and thinks she put it in the box >did Sally notice the basket has been tampered with the list goes on. It treats humans as robots rather than living beans with their own thoughts, emotions, and mistakes. Ironically to "solve" a test like this you have to be a liberal cause liberals are the only ones who are programmed like an NPC LMAOOOOOOO
>>737187630Doom eternal on nightmare is one of the most balanced fps games ever
>>737187797I'm surprised retards like you can even pass the captcha.
>>737188125>NOOOO HUMANS AREN'T COMPLEX CREATURES WE'RE ALL SOULLESS AUTOMATONS NOW GO DIE FOR ISRAEL GOYFuck off.
>>737188187who are you quoting?
>>737188220Oh wow epic meme.....NOT!
>>737188249Surprise box!
>>737174387Twitter screenshots? Yeah, pretty much.
>>737187797>does Anne have a history of putting the marble in the box when Sally is away >did Sally forget she put the marble in the basket and thinks she put it in the box >did Sally notice the basket has been tampered withDo you also stop at a green light wondering if the traffic lights are actually broken and showing the wrong light.
>>737174636what was her fucking problem?
>>737188663Woman
>>737174387The specific context is someone asked for an in-game setting to disable a weapon, and that person's response was that if you hate a weapon so much, just don't use it.
>>737185172Doom doesn't have those stats.
>>737189295context doesn't matter on the internet, that screenshot is used for everything
Mute autistic who instantly pulls an arsenal of guns out of his ass slop, now in inspector gadget and skyrim flavours
>>737189695By idiots, yes. I'd like everyone who sees it to know why it was said, so they're less likely to use it in the wrong situation.
>>737174480Thats how (you) interpreted it. You can just not spam it on every monster you see blinking. Since the item payouts scale based on necessity, you should only be using glory kills about once every 1-3 minutes, which makes up less than 1% of an entire playthrough.
>>737191302i very much agree, but i don't think people care even if they know
>>737185501This. I stopped listening to retards long ago. You tend to notice trends among lower developed brains. I noticed this with KH.KH2FM:>Broo this game is too easy to cheese, you can just cheese any boss' revenge gauge!>"then just don't cheese it and fight them normally">NO WTF!!! It's too hard!!!KHIII:>Dude this game is too easy, you have sooo many reaction/action commands all the time!>"Then play it on Proud (Critical wasn't available day one) and not use the context commands?">NOOOO HOLY- WTF it would be too hard bro WOW!
>>737174387Why can't they just give me Sunlust with good graphics?
>>737174418If you have to ask this you are bad at video games.
>>737182851Not leveling in Oblivion is a good strategy
>>737174537Mald cope.>oh yeah .35-.75 seconds is just too long of a pauseLol u suck
>>737178740>retro styled FPSthat's the problem. doom stopped being that back on the original xbox. retards like the twitard in OP's image just never caught onto the fact that OG doom isn't coming back.
>>737185501not even what was being argued. the original post was some guy going>can I just shoot the enemies instead of using grenades and abilities and shit?and bethesda's response was the OP's pic.
>>737193468>not even what was being argueddoesn't matter when it applies to other topics
>>737193189Or that it never even left.OG Doom is still around and still gets a fucktillion wads made for it. I don’t care that the new games aren’t like the old ones because what would be the point? They haven’t gone anywhere!
>>737193468He didn't say anything like that, and the actual quote is so ridiculous it's worth posting here so you can't make up more shit to try and make him look like the good guy.
>>737174410Doom Eternal is not balanced around optional button presses, it's balanced around optimal button presses, so it's genuinely wrong unless you consider "don't play it" good playstyle advice. That said, it's a fucking social media account, why would anyone rant at that like they have any input on the game, Karen at the check-out line behaviour.
>>737180832>DOOM 1993 not having grenades and not wanting to use themhow is he wrong?
>>737174387really fucking Ablist of him to say that, people with nerve disorders like Tourettes don't always control the buttons they press, crazy he can say chud shit like this in 2026.
>Doom boiled down into boring arena fights and minimal (if any) map design with stuff like health kits>somehow this is good
>>737174480all I'm getting from this is that doom players are fucking casuals
>>737194527>t. speedtroon
>>737194278He's genuinely right in that you do control which buttons you press. If there was like a Fire Demon that could only be hurt by ice grenades, then it would be bad advice to tell people not to use ice grenades. Combat works fine without them. Someone who doesn't want to use them is free to just fight without them.
>>737194650>If there was like a Fire Demon that could only be hurt by ice grenadesdoom eternal does exactly that
>>737194650And you can blitz through DMC with D ranks if you don't mind playing like shit, that's not the game and that's not how it's designed, this is just "don't play it". And considering Doom's complete and immediate plummet into irrelevance after Eternal with how bad Dark Ages flopped, more people are taking that "don't play it" advice than you'd think.
>>737180063>Why is the test worded so poorly?it isn't, the test gives every event that happens in the simplest terms and you're still having trouble with it. like you've come to the right answer, but it clearly seems you haven't mastered the concepts the test is covering anyway.
>>737194820There are people who blow through DMC with all D ranks and have fun.Like I said, it could be designed so you had to use an ice grenade to kill a certain enemy. It isn't. They're an extra option thrown on top of the countless other ways of killing a demon. "I won't use ice grenades" is not the same as "I will not finish the game." It's commonplace across a lot of games to decide not to use a certain weapon, and there are plenty of challenge runs where a person wants to finish a given game without using a certain option. If it was "designed" where the only weapon was the ice grenade, then not using it would mean not beating the game. In practice, you're free to not want to use it.
>>737191684demons in "please glory kill me" mode become bullet sponges and block shots
>>737178252No, he didn't. You relayed this post through a series of smoke signals that were seen by an interpreter who then submitted the post by holding two wires and moving them back and forth to sometimes pass electricity through them.
>>737195535>There are people who blow through DMC with all D ranks and have fun.a blast, you mean
>>737194382DOOM 2 is bad because DOOM 1 did not have the SSG
>>737174410cause if you build a game around some gay ass mechanic it's going to be balanced without the mechanic
>>737197198>make game>give it difficulty options>its a bit easy even on the hardest difficulty"the game is not balanced if I do this challenge run sir, I cant play it">ignoring that the intent of the author has nothing to do with the balance of the game as an object
>>737197021It's a return to form.I was thinking about DMC giving harsh ranking penalties for item use, and how many people would just use an item anyway because they know it would get them to the end of the level. I didn't want to start a discussion about DMC ranking systems, though.
>>737194278>Doom Eternal is not balanced around optional button presses, it's balanced around optimal button pressesu wot
>>737180734It groans in pain when you shoot it, just like everything else you killed. You're given mountains of ammo before fighting it so anyone would assume you just might need to use it all.
>>737197609not everyone had a sound card :^)
>>737174418Doom 2016 was a fairly faithful recreation of OG Doom gameplay on modern hardware with modern controls and being able to look up and down ect. The issue is the fags who work at bethesda fucking hate Doom so they do the gay ass shit tv and film does where they get put in charge of some IP other people like and then write their own sloppa with zero regard for the original IP and their fans. see like the Halo or Witcher shows where the show runners wanted to write their own original OC IP but no one wanted to see that, so they just wrote their own gay OC with halo or witcher on top of it So the 2 sequel Doom games in 2020 and 2025 have all of these gay ass mechanics that someone who is a fan of the Doom IP wouldn't want (Doom 2016 also has gay ass mechanics like how you have to do glory kills but that's less annoying) so one guy pointed out >hey that mechanic is gay, can I disable itand the social media fag just said don't use it, even through the game obviously wouldn't be balanced without it. >>737174418>>737174410>>737197364oh you know what's a good example of >just don't press buttonsfucking mass effect andromeda's combat was so fucking ass because they got rid of warp and if you didn't play as a sentinel or engage in that gay ass switch classes on the fly bullshit the fights were super fucking tedious because you didn't have a good way to prime enemies since you didn't have warp and couldn't use your squad to prime enemies because for some retarded ass reason they took the ability to call squad powers away >>737174480it was the frost grenade in doom 2020, not the glory kills, but same thing >>737197364it's a shitty mechanic>I don't want this shitty mechanic, it's different from the other games in the series >just don't press the buttondon't add shitty unfun mechanics, faggot
>>737197049>>737194382NTAthe SSG isn't fundamentally different than any gun in Doom 1. it isn't a new mechanic, it's just a shotgun that shoots slower and does more damage, freeze grenades are a different and new mechanic
>>737197863Freeze Grenades were in 2016 but weren't their own hotkey, instead were a mod on the plasma gun. Eternal just streamlined it
>>737197793>>it's a shitty mechanic>>I don't want this shitty mechanic, it's different from the other games in the series >>just don't press the button>don't add shitty unfun mechanics, faggotBro you sound like a mad dog here nigga its just an AoE stun, people have beaten eternal on Ultra Nightmare with just the normal shotgun.also >So the 2 sequel Doom games in 2020 and 2025 have all of these gay ass mechanics that someone who is a fan of the Doom IP wouldn't want (Doom 2016 also has gay ass mechanics like how you have to do glory kills but that's less annoying) so one guy pointed out see>>737197935
>>737174387>enemies are spongier to force mechanic upon you>just don't use it bro xDDD
>>737197793>Doom 2016 was a fairly faithful recreation of OG Doom gameplayLook at this dude
>>737198010>enemies are spongierits a stuninstead enemies are made to deal more damage
>>737175453why would anyone fail the test?
>>737198010>>737197793Just increase enemy damage taken multiplier and unbind the Freeze key?DOOM source ports dont even have Pistol Starts enabled (the way most people played back in ye olden times) you have to enable them manually yet no one complains about 'intentional design' (why do you think theres so many weapons scattered across OG DOOM even though youd probably have them by then)
>>737198208>Just fix the shit game yourself bro
>>737197935>>737198003a mod on one of the guns is different than a hotkey. if it's a hotkey then the devs can assume you always have access to it and will build the game around it. if it's a mod on a gun they cannot assume you have access to it since it's an optional thing since the mods were optional and therefore it's not a mandatory mechanic >>737198003do you fucking work for bethesda? stop adding shitty mechanics to your shit games. this is the reason doom 2020 died after one DLC and why no one bought doom 2025. no one wants to play your sloppa
>>737198337>oh no IM GOING INSANE
>>737198708>will build the game around it.Weird how the game plays totally fine and almost identically if you don't use it ever.
>>737198708>then the devs can assume you always have access to itThis is not how video games work, the devs intent does not change the game as is. You can just unbind the fucking button and play the game. Get help
>>737198035more so than the other 2 games. the glory kill was the biggest issue, though I guess you could argue it was more similar to like quake or serious sam or the other late 90s early 2000s 3d arena shooters>>737198101they can't understand other people have a different PoV then them. it's like how kids assume you see the exact same thing they are currently seeing>>737198208>just mod the game to fix the ass mechanics the devs put in that no one wanted
>>737198834I wouldn't know, I don't buy tranny games from trannies so I didn't pay bethesda for their sloppa not many people did, judging by the fact that nearly all of the doom 2025 players were on gamepass>>737198886>devs don't balance their games around the available mechanicsmaybe that's why game sales are down, because games are ass now and are made by retarded ass H1Bs
>>737198997Finally, we found one person on /v/ who admits to complaining about a game they've never played.
>>737198997>balanceBUT WHAT IFTHE GAME IS STILL FINEBECAUSE BALANEC ISNT A REAL STANDARDThe game as is is not affected by hypothetical balance, because the game could still be a challenge you need to overcomeAnd of course the obvious fact that balance isnt staticnor the obvious notion that devs could have just balanced the game differently than your expectationHoly shit look sideways for 10 seconds and thinkDid you even TRY to actually play the gameas everyone told youby unbinding the fuckingfreeze grenade keyYOUDID YOU EVEN TRY
Still can't believe there are nudoom cocksuckers pretending their modern slop is good
>>737198997Eternal made like 800 million dollars
>>737199112the thread isn't about the game, it's about the devs being retarded>>737199126>>737198208I'm not reading that, you write like a fucking retard. a good game is usually balanced so it isn't too hard or easy. the OG doom games are balanced around pistol starts since that's how they worked and we have stories of the devs playing the levels with pistol starts to make sure it plays well and is balancedif you have a mechanic that you are 100% sure a player has access too then most games are balanced around the player having that mechanic. it's why the boss fights in deus ex 3 were shitty or how games like metroid gated progress behind certain weapons to make sure you had the right mechanic for that part of the game. >>737199703why did the game die after 1 dlc?>>737199593their h1b cousins worked on the game
>>737174410>here is big red button in your face at all times>uh but you don't HAVE to press itlike it or not a button not existing is differentthan it existing and choosing not to press it just based on human psych
>>737174410How is he right?
>>737174387Game sold like cupcakes and it was just a Mario game for adults
>>737199783>the thread isn't about the gameSo shit like >>737198708>if it's a hotkey then the devs can assume you always have access to it and will build the game around it.must be off-topic to you because you don't want to talk about video games on the fucking Video Games board.
>>737174410Is the game built around not using that button?Does not using it make the game even more obnoxious to play through?
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>>737199593the reality is that doom was never goodquake on the other hand, now that's a real game
>>737174410>Game has "Press X to brutally rape and murder this baby" level>LOL IT'S YOUR FAULT YOU PRESSED X
>>737200497no, you are just obviously a retard who must work as bethesda or something. it's a retarded reply based on poor game design
>GAME>enemies take 4 bullets to kill>GAME 2>enemies take 4 bullets to kill, or 3 headshots>GAME 3>enemies take 2 bullets to kill if you stand up and yell mcdonalds otherwise they take 25 bullets to kill>you can play the game the way you want to chud
why does eternal make bad players see the so much?
>>737202462DOOM 2 mobs are spongier than eternals
>>737202135Weird how every person you disagree with must work at Bethesda. Your comments on poor game design are fucking irrelevant when you're talking about a game you haven't played.
>>737202462pretty much this>>737202880good morning, saar!>>737203114either you work at bethesda or your cousin does, saar!
>>737200524no someone was complaining about grenades with arent essential like glory kills or the chainsaw>>737180607>>737174480>>737180607>>737199897disingenuous faggots
How is 90% of /v/ so new to 4chan and the internet as a whole that they think that tweet was talking about glory kills? What the fuck went wrong?
>>737174636How do you play with one fucking marble?
>>737202880people wanted a fun fps not a qte ridden shitfest where you match colors
>>737203603playing games is for fucking losers you manchildgrow up
>>737174387they are wrong thoughcase in point: I hate mini maps, you can't just tell me "just don't look at them bro lol"these are multi million dollars budget games, each aspect of it has been developed and probably play tested for hundred of hours with that mechanic in mind, like the witcher 3 where you have to use the minimap to finish some missionsthe buttons the player should realize they can control is the buy button
>>737204428If you played the game, you'd know it wasn't DmC and doesn't care about bullshit like color matching.
>>737206141>you can't just tell me "just don't look at them bro lol"No you can use a UI mask or something to hide them>probably play tested for hundred of hours with that mechanic in mindYeah [game] was probably developed with the minimap in mind if it does have a minimap, so don't go>WTF NOW ITS TOO HARD I DONT KNOW WHERE TO GOYou're the one that didn't want a minimap.
>>737206223and we are back to>you control the buttons you push
>>737180063>Why is the test worded so poorly?its not, you are just functionally illiterate (half of the US is) and cannot retain context of previous sentencesthe line "Now Sally comes back." means its going to be the first time she will be looking
Whinning fools begoneEternal > your favorite shooter
>>737202062the spec ops the line special
>>737206571TDA at 150% speed > Eternal
>>737174593That guy isn't coding shit
>>737174410The entire field of game design revolves around player incentive. Player agency is a not a criticism against bad incentives.
>>737206141Yea they did the same thing with the obnoxious quest compass in elder scrolls. It's just to mask shit level design
>>737174387>you must glory kill cutscene for the entire playthrough of these games>you must parry everything for the entire playthrough of this gamedooms lead game dev is a fucking moron for ruining otherwise fun games
>>737206484Go ahead and tell us where there's color matching in Doom Eternal, even indirectly. Now I would accept "red enemies take double damage from red weapons" as a sort of color matching. It doesn't have that, though, or anything even a bit like what you want to whine about.
>>737194278>Doom Eternal is not balanced around optional button presses, it's balanced around optimal button pressesThat's every videogame in existence
>>737174410He isn't. The freeze grenade is just one of several tools and back when I was actually playing Eternal it was pretty clear to me that you can do at least 3 different things in most scenarios if you are not brain dead.
