Think about it. With all the threads popping up about "Concords". Do you really think forcing these games to stay up and siphon millions of dollars per year is a good idea? You'd have to be a complete fucking idiot to think so.
>>737178813>releasing old server files will cost millions of dollars foreveryou're the kind of retard that thinks that developers lose money when people pirate. you are fundamentally too retarded to engage in this conversation. go away from here and let the adults talk.
>>737178959It's ok anon, I was only pretending to be stupid.
>>737178813>hey guys what do you think about *a completely incorect intentional misrepresentation of the topic*suck my fucking dick corponigger, i hope you and your whole brownoid sisterfucker family dies in horrible agony. i spit on you and your kind, you're nothing but trash that needs to be eradicated off the face of the earth.
>>737178813You joke but I've learned that japanese gamers unironically believe this
>>737179018>I was only BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPsounds about right for this kind of thread.
>>737178813Wasn't this misunderstanding of SKG being pushed by the ferret fucker
>>737178813>Do you really think forcing these games to stay up and siphon millions of dollars per year is a good idea?how would a game that runs only on my PC actually generate costs for the publisher?
>>737178813G o y
>>737178813Its about moving forward and developers not making games with a sell by date, not just looking back at what has fallen along the way to revive them. Its so when those games die people can just run the servers themselves and that developers moving forward should operate on the premise that they are making a product that should always be accessible to players even if they go bust.Its the argument idiots make when someone pirates a game and claims the developers lose money. They dont lose anything, they just dont gain anything. When a studio shuts down and they take the servers down with them, who are you taking money from by running the servers of a game that is dead and unplayable. Games should not be made with a sell by date where if you try to play them past that date you get hit with legal notices. Some of these games are literally only playable because of piracy and people bought them. People should not be punished for trying to play a product that is no longer available because the developers moved on for whatever reason.Legality around "piracy" is malicious and vile and so is making games with the expectation of taking them down when they are not profitable, AFTER they sold the game to people.
>>737178813>forcing these games to stay upSkg isnt about this.
>>737178959A lot of these games use third-party middleware that can't just be "released".
>>737179338If you are playing old game you aren't buying new game which is a lost sale, so at 100 dollars per game not bought, assuming 10000 people are playing old game that's 1 million dollars lost every 40 hours (round it up to 2 days) so every game they allow to have an offline mode costs 175 million dollars a year. Maths doesn't lie.
>>737179442every SKG supporter knows nothing about games and thinks you can simply set offline = true in an afternoon
>>737178813>Games should not be made with a sell by dateSo basically forcing everyone to make normal releases? Based
>>737179535>Selling people products that don't arbitrarily break at some point is like hard or something so we just can'tDoesn't sound like much of an argument to me.
>>737179442>A lot of these games use third-party middleware that can't just be "released".Oh no, how terrible. Guess those third-party developers will have to change their business models too. How very unfortunate.
>>737179516not my problem
It's hilarious how right after SKG went to the EU, this board gets spammed nonstop with anti-SKG threads. Totally organic, guys.
>>737179442>this old code for a game we aren't running can't be released>why can't it be released?>[INCOMPREHENSIBLE PIRATESOFTWARE SCREECHING]okay so you have no argument. unless the server code contains child porn or bomb making instructions there's nothing that shouldn't be safe as public knowledge.
>>737179781We SKGamers do NOT support antisemitism
Why are burgers and nips so butthurt over yuros not wanting games to be killed?
>>737179781You got me, I'm a Anti-SKG shill that wishes people owned nothing and liked it.
>>737179442And they can release their exact same code sans the 3rd party shit without it affecting anything. Quite literally where 3rd party modules or software is used it specifically calls these programs to do whatever it is these programs do. They aren't bundled into the final build in a manner that makes them unable to be decoupled. It is just a matter of the new host needs to have access to the same 3rd party software or modules.
>>737179442Good thing SKG isn't retroactive then. So any new games will have to be made with a proper end of life plan in mind. Which means if they need middleware for their games to function then there will be a market for SKG-compliant middleware.
>>737179442>new regulation>publishers cant use middleware that doesn't comply with the new regulation>the free market will offer solutions that comply with the new regulation>???>profit
>>737179865Just to expand upon this it isn't the case that 3rd party shit somehow has its source compiled into whatever the dev/pub makes. Where it is required it relies upon a call to said 3rd party software to generate whatever it is asking for. Where said software is missing the call will just fail. This has nothing to do with the dev/pub and would rely upon whomever is running the new server having the 3rd party software up, running, and plugged into the server. Anyone that says otherwise has no experience or understanding of IRL software development in regards to interaction with servers. Any non-server stuff is already covered in the base game source code which the user already had and owns a license for so nothing would be being breached.
i'd like to play concord to make mocking webms of it
>>737180117There isn't any requirement to not rely upon middleware, nor would that make sense given the general scope of server side processing. It just means that these corporations couldn't use 3rd party software requirements as a means to block any of this. Any 3rd party requirements would be required to be covered by the new server host, or covered under the existing code base license of the product sold to the user. It just comes down to what it being utilised and where.
What happens if a video game company restricts EU citizens from buying their games?
>>737180379They lose out on making a bunch of money.
>>737180406They save more money by not having to make a post-EOS form of the game
>strawmanYou lost.
>>737180496That's nonsense. There is no way that whatever it would cost to comply with EU regulations would be more than what you would gain from selling the product to an entire continent.
>>737180508https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfdILKDNfL4
>>737180554Maybe for AAA games, but indie studios may not have that extra capital for something that would only sell a few thousand extra copies
>>737180675Can you outline exactly what would be so expensive?
>>737180554The people who want to play it will just import it or download it using a foreign account.The SKG crowd would pirate it regardless if it releases in the EU or not. No money lost.
>>737178813>You'd have to be a complete fucking idiot to think so.On the contrary you'd have to be a corporate cuck (= seemingly every burger) to not think that companies being able to unilaterally turn off your game after you bought it at full price is not a grossly anti-consumer practice that should be at the very least limited and legislated.Muricans keep making this discussion about things it isn't (while misunderstanding basic legal tenets like property, licensing and copyright). Simply put, a company should not be able to make a game always-online for no reason and have the ability to essentially void your purchase with no recompensation at any point when they take servers offline.If you disagree with this, congrats and be a corpocuck retard in silence please.
>he thinks offline modes and player hosted servers will cost money to maintainAll SKG haters genuinely have the IQ of a goldfish.
>>737180379Considering that is something like the 3rd largest market for vidya in the world they lose out on significantly more profit than they would had the just complied. And more importantly it sets a precedent for other regions with strong consumer protection laws to use as as a basis to enact the same requirements. They cannot escape it.
>>737180704You don't understand, indie developers maintain servers that cost millions and use expensive third-party software that only they can use.Asking them to do that is very anti-Semitic.
>>737180914>Asking them to do that is very anti-Semitic.I was already sold on SKG, you don't need to sell it to me again.
>>737180379>what happens if *this thing that will never happen*?nigger
they should call the movement "Stop Being Gay" lmao
>>737178813>dumb anti-skg shillbot thread #1441It's all so tiring. But that is the point, isn't it? We're going to get so much more astroturfing before this is over.
no one is asking them to stay up they are asking for an offline mode
>>737181106OP could never.
>>737181106i'm afraid no amount of signatures would help your condition, anon
>>737179249Yes, promoted by a Blizzard Nepobaby.
>>737180874To be fair, being the 3rd biggest market when you're comparing markets at the scale of continents I know EU isn't the entirety of europe, shut up makes it the smallest non-negligible one.Being a bigger market then afrika or antarctica is really not saying much.
>>737181142No, plenty of people are asking for the servers to stay up.
>>737181342who? what law is stating the servers must stay up?
>>737179781>it's not organic that after a major event people talk about it
>>737181370>what law is stating the servers must stay up?None yet. That's why people are complaining. Are you paying attention?
>>737179848Americans, like Indians, grow up being used to worshipping corporations and sucking off anything that benefits corpos because they hope to get hired or become corpo faggots themselves. Japanese culture raises them to become corpo drones that never stand up for themselves, never desire anything better and bend over for anybody who is above them on the "social ladder".
>>737181470so who the fuck is complaining? there is a sotiried track record of fans keeping games alive even without this law with the law that will only get more common i mean the crew the game that sort of started all this now has an unofficial offline mode this is a good idea plain and simple games are NOT meant to end
>>737181307You can try to downplay it all you want but the reality is that what becomes standard in the EU tends to become standard everywhere. For example it was the EU that made it so that phones needed to have standard chargers that would fit any phone and that is now just how phones are everywhere.
Shut up Thor. You fucking onions boy.
>>737181307It goes US, UK/EU, Australia. It is far from insignificant and enough that any major player is willing to entertain requirements to participate in said markets. It is where they make money and they know that rocking the boat only invites more regulation that could hurt profits. The only reason Australia with its robust consumer protection laws, that were strong enough to get Steam to enact a refund function and policy, not having already taken the companies to task is most likely due to no one forcing the issue yet. Any EU legislation on the matter would only help reinforce the case against it. Losing 1 of the top 3 markets sure maybe they could weather, lost 2 out of 3 not so sure. At least looking objectively at long term sustainability.
>>737178813Don't care, it will sort itself out in my favor, all I did was vote, now it will solve itself.
>>737179442name 5
>>737182010ijn your favor will mean games you buy are yours and cant just be taken away
>>737179442Exactly anon, the free market won't change practices as a result of regulation and will instead come to a screeching halt for years to come as they grapple with these insurmountable challenges.
Jason LOSTJapan LOSTUbisoft LOSTRoss WON.
>>737181564>so who the fuck is complaining?SKG supporters? Hello?
>>737182272remember when EU forced one usb charging/data port on all devices and everyone stopped importing to EU? those were some hard, phoneless times.
>>737178813Malding Faggotry
>>737182318point one out just one who says the servers should have to stay up indefinitely i mean maybe 5-10 years should be required but no one wants them to just stay up forever
>>737178813>My imagined implementation of the idea is shit therefore the idea can’t possibly workHow to spot a retard
>>737178813
>>737178813Fucking idiot lmao.It will kill the retarded companies that opt for that model, which is a bonus, yeah.
>>737178813The real idea was to get rid of those games.
SKG if it was honest about its intentions
>>737182749Good :)
>>737182749>No you don't understand. Our singe player game NEEDS to require a connection to a server on the internet so we can yoink it from you at some arbitrary point in the future or else games will die!
>>737178813let the adults handle this conversation, OP
>>737178813The threads are by paid shills, they don't care if it works or not
>>737182749fuck video gamesthey ruin lives
Its not going to work because developers will not play along.
>>737183481the fuck you mean not play along? this ain't some fucking "would you kindly" shit, it's either abide by the rules or fuck right off.
>>737182749Good, let it burn to the ground. Let us dance upon the ashes of Ubishit.
>>737182749It's isn't, but it is what GaaS deserves.
>>737182749I still want the ones who enabled this current MTX hellscape to be held responsible rather than being able to walk away consequence free from their actions because people called on the government for additional tard wrangling.But this isn't a perfect world where people would have turned away from disgust due to the pure greed of it... so if it helps kill GaaS/gacha/etc, then I guess that'll have to do.
>>737178813then don't make live service shit? no one wants themI think unpopular gachashits situation is funnier if there's three autistic niggas still gambling for your anime pngs, the game won't go EoS lmaooooo
>>737179516>If you are playing old game you aren't buying new game which is a lost saleWho say I would buy (their) new game?You are basically implying players should be forced to spend money as if game was... a service?>scoobido reveal>GaaS shill all along
THINK OF THE SPORTS GAMESWHY DOES NO ONE THINK OF THE SPORTS GAMES???
>>737180675Indy game studio rarely ever make game that require servers, permanent online, the few who does don't make it too complicated.So the rare who do try to make GaaS shit? It's a good thing to kill them in the nest before they scam you.
>>737178813>Do you really think forcing these games to stay up and siphon millions of dollars per year is a good idea?yes
>>737178813>forcing these games to stay up and siphon millions of dollarsAre you retarded or pretending to be retarded? no is asking for the devs to keep the games running on their dime, just release the server side code for that particular game as open source.
>>737180747Sir, you do not understand the Burger's psyche.What if the rich corporations scam, exploit and steal from the dumb, seeking to make every consumer into their obedient sheep?You could BE that rich entrepreneur! You just happen to be a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.
>>737181470>None yet. That's why people are complaining.That's bullshit and you know it, people are complaining because they are not given a choice over a product they paid for, even if they would pay themselves to keep servers up or get rid of the need for server.
>>737179442>Why cant they be released?This question kills the retarded shill.
>>737182324>the great USB-C crisisIndeed, now we can't even pay as much as we wanted in chargers, we spend less time looking for compatible connectors. We are forced to have the option use the same charger when upgrading.This was truly the beginning of a dark era.Phone shall never be the same again (well, except for the USB-C thing).
>>737182749If this means gacha, gaas, mmos, always online trash and other modern industry trends that are a cancer on the medium die because they become unviable economically, absolutely. The games I care about (true singleplayer games and true online multiplayer games) will remain untouched.
>>737178959>releasing old server files will cost millions of dollars foreverYou see, the problem is that backend developers make servers in a way where they just copy the entire old codebase and use that as a base for their new codebase. Released server code or even binaries would mean people would have a much easier time finding security vulnerabilities and exploits in future games.
>>737178813They don't have to stay up. The devs/pubs just have to provide means for the players to continue running the game. For online single player games like the ubislops it's literally a matter of removing the online dependency. For online multiplayers, they'd have to allow self hosted server functionality. It's really not that much of a mind boggle, fren
>>737185084>people are complaining because they are not given a choice over a product they paid forThat's way too vague to mean anything and that's exactly why you framed it that way.>even if they would pay themselves to keep servers up or get rid of the need for server.People are already doing that. If that's what SKG was about it would be unnecessary
How come this same notion is not extended to games like highguard or concord? Hell people are waiting for marathon to get shut down.
>>737186159Nobody cares about bad games, people want to be able to play the games they like forever. If publishers have to perpetually bleed money when they pull a concord that is even better. Helps us as consumers by having those trash companies go under faster. Literally win win
>>737178813>>737179781exactlyif jews weren't afraid they wouldn't constantly be making threads and astroturfing the topicisn't there a pic of a thermometer explaining this
>>737186159Why wouldn't it be? While not super popular there are some people who played and liked those games and it would mean that those people if they wanted to could host their own server and play it with the others who want to or even just walk around an empty map if they are that desperate.
>>737179442how did they even playtest their games if they couldn't create in-house servers to do so?
>>737186389I just think it's funny because the origins of the movement was to prevent The Crew from dying, which is to say, an shitty game that nobody really cares about and afaik, flopped which is why Ubisoft killed it in the first place. So it becomes silly that the movement is about restoring and preventing games that only people like, which is extremely subjective while others are cheering for others to die. Like if a game like say For Honor, would be shut down, most of /v/ would probably cheer it on because most people don't care but the few who do like it would probably try to latch to the SKG to keep it alive.
>>737186983>So it becomes silly that the movement is about restoring and preventing games that only people like, which is extremely subjective while others are cheering for others to die.That's not what it's about though. As you note yourself what one considers a good or bad game is subjective. SKG is about preserving the option to play every game, regardless of quality.
>>737185707What you said is fundamentally opposite what SKG actually is.I didn't post the whole think on a damn 4chan post because you should know very well were you would find the full explanation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXdmoeaYZ9YSo you are either a lazy contrarian or disingenuous.>People are already doing that.Only if the publisher allows them to and give them the option, which should always be an option or at least closest fair approach to the stated intent.
>owning products you buy is bas because communism or something
>>737187520I know that but again I find it funny how /v/ is both proSKG and also pro EOS for live service games which is hypocritical. >Inb4 /v/ is not one person
>>737180675>indie studiosThey don't make online-only games in the first place. They make the players host their own servers, as it's cheaper and easier than running your own server infrastructure.
>>737179442>A lot of these games use third-party middleware that can't just be "released".They're not asking for the fucking source code, just the server binaries and some basic documentation at most.>but what if they use enterprise grade solution X, or Y?That's retarded, most games can get away with conventional, free solutions and probably do just due to the cost benefit.There's no way in hell concord was using something like OracleDB for their backend, and if they were, the person that okay'd that when they could have just used some basic bitch vitess+MariaDB setup should be shot for their gross misallocation of resources.The only thing they couldn't distribute is whatever happens to be built into their hosting solution such as automation tools, but that's basically redundant when it comes to self hosting shit.
>>737178813Either produce a game worth keeping alive or don't fund the game at all fucking retard. Have you thought about that HUUUUUH!?
>>737187859>get to play games I like forever>games I don't like will become permanent blemishes on bad publisher's images that can't be swept under the rug and as a cherry on top, also bleed them dry financially I see no problem here
>>737179442>A lot of these games use third-party middleware that can't just be "released".>More games will be pushed to use free and open source solutions for the sake of compliance with consumer protection laws.JUSTASPLANNED
>>737188230Yurop is going open source too. France and Germany are moving to GNU+Linux, investing in open source office suites etc
>>737188280Maybe the future wont totally suck after all.
>>737178813Maybe you should stop making them?
>>737181431Good reading comprehension, retard.Discussion after an event is, indeed, organic.What is occurring here, an excessive amount of new threads and replies that push a specific narrative or opinion, most of which relies on the same misinformation, fallacy, and blatant attempts to drive negative discourse on said event, is not.Try having mature conversations with people older than 25 once in a while and you might start noticing the difference.
>SKG win>MP wargame shut down because player hate the matchmaking&lootbox>those owning the product start their own server, fund it themselves>given admin tool and no need to sell lootbox they actually improve matchmaking>game become popular again and people beg the IP owner to let them buy the game again>IP owner now make money without any support costThat would be ironic as hell.
>>737181715>The only reason Australia with its robust consumer protection laws, that were strong enough to get Steam to enact a refund function and policyThat was actually the EU, not Australia.Steam's refund policy is a commercial alternative to the EU's right of withdrawal. The industry was given a waiver clause in the legislation, allowing them to request consumers to waive their 14 day right of withdrawal, in exchange for the industry's promises to not abuse the power the EU was about to give them and promises they would enact viable commercial alternatives in the spirit of the actual legal right.The thing in Australia was about Valve's support employees failing to act on Australian consumers' legal right to a non-defective product that is fit for purpose, which is a wholy different topic.
>>737184828Oh - I see. Burgers are disillusioned retards, is what you're saying.
>>737185707Allow me to un-vague it, since you want to be a faggot that harps over semantics rather than actual arguments.>people pay for a game>developers decide the game isn't lucrative enough to justify maintaining servers>servers are taken down, which leaves the game inaccessible in any capacity>Ross Scott has been talking about the writing on the wall for years, and after this occurs with Ubisoft's The Crew, he starts the SKG consumer movement.>The goal is to petition the EU to codify regulations regarding consumer access to software purchases. >Rather than hoping the developer will be cool and provide the means for a game to function after EOS, they will be required to by law.>This is not 'forcing developers to keep servers running'.>This is not 'forcing developers to retroactively make their entire library accessible and functional on modern architecture and with online support.>This is not 'forcing developers to keep an MMO running in perpetuity, even at a significant financial loss due to lack of players'.>This is regulations that prevent a developer from selling software (released after the law goes into effect) to consumers that is perfectly functional without dev/publisher dedicated server infrastructure, that is rendered inaccessible when that infrastructure is shut down.Imagine if FromSoftware said they decided to stop hosting co-op connections between Elden Ring players and on the day that went into effect, Elden Ring was no longer able to be played even as a single-player game.Not a perfect comparison, but since bad faith nerds like to go 'hurf durf who cares about The Crew?!?' it should better exemplify what the movement aims to prevent in the future with a more widely liked game
>>737178813>think of the poor multi billion dollar international corporationsI doI hope they bleed hard for shitting out live service garbage
>>737178959Ill never understand why uneducated poor people talk this way? You cant even start a sentence with capitals...
>>737190137you're a brown LARPer.
>>737190014based rockraiders poster
>>737179442Only because they were stupid enough to design with it. When they make a new game, they'll have to be wiser or develop open-source alternatives with other companies.
Does SKG force games to stay up or is it some way of ensuring dedicated servers can be made for it?Or does it go to the Paragon extreme and just ask developers to release all the assets for said game?(For example Paragon did so which is why a lot of the character models in that are on the UE asset store and some games like Bullets Per Minute use paragon characters for bosses or whatever).
>>737188403Because SKG is a bad thing. You're not getting private servers, you commie subhuman
>>737178813Developers owe you nothing beyond the product you purchased at the time of sale.
>>737178813It will work you stupid bastard it's called you have to be persistent
>>737194137pajeet :D
>>737194260oh, so it's a product? not a license to use some shit, or a rental or whatever? okay.so if i BUY this PRODUCT, it will work for all eternity, correct?
>>737178813>"AAA elites shouldn't lose money after gambling money and losing"Shalom
>>737193884>or is it some way of ensuring dedicated servers can be made for it?This>>737194137>You're not getting private serversthis is what the entire movement is about, retard
>>737178813No you fucking retard, they simply won't make more Concords because keeping them alive in case of failure will be a huge liability to the company.Honest devs will simply release a server client but corpos will just stop making trash.
>>737178813Oh no, they spent 10 billion on the guaranteed flop, extra 2 dollars releasing a client-side host they use internally anyway at EoS is simply too much for these poor devs. Fuckwit.
>>737189619When it comes to free market at least.They'll defend being scammed by BIG BUSINESS on the basis that they might someday be the one making money no matter the mean involved. For some, consumer protection is communism.
>>737179442I'm sure scrimblo bimblo tournament 202X uses l33tcode written by prodigies in fortran that shares coding solutions that hold the international finance on its shoulders and it cannot possibly be entrusted to the paying customers of the game.
>>737193884>Does SKG force games to stay up or is it some way of ensuring dedicated servers can be made for it?It force nothing for now, it's just a hearing so they make laws in that direction.Also it will depends on the game. The devs would need serious justification and to not actively impede a solution.Singleplayer game need online login? That's so cheap publishers usually have no real excuse not keeping it up, or making the game no longer require it.Game need limited online feature? Either allow a private server or cutting those out without shutdown the 99% of the game that can still be played. (like say, closing the online-store of a game that can be played solo)Game is multiplayer and need servers? If possible = let the players try their own servers, or ask them if they'll take over paying for the server.It's essentially just making laws so publishers don't have on/off control over games for dishonest reasons and defining those.
>>737179689When will they apply this concept to cell phones?
>>737194260Correct. They should not be allowed to push a button and make my purchase unusable at some arbitrary time in the future.
>>737194137You are the one wanting to prevent people from owning what they have bought with their own money. You are the commie.
>>737197080Buy Fairphone, they at least promise to keep providing parts for years and to let your repair it yourself. It's not even that inferior to all the big brand.
The central complaint is about the countermeasures employed to prevent recovery of games and/or games that have no attempt to remain functional after online services end. They're literally not asking for endless support.The debate about what people are expecting when they buy a game and what core functionality entails isn't being fleshed out yet, which is why we are stuck in an endless debate. There are too many regulatory bodies and a lot of laws on the books that may apply. There are endless specific games that have lost functionality for one reason or another. There are also endless possibilities for finding a solution. This movement has barely begun to move beyond the consumer complaint that some people feel like they've been ripped off and governments recognizing that they have a mandate to act.I don't buy a lot of corporations' excuses and I don't think they have a clear economic incentive to actively try to destroy old games. There is a tremendous amount of evidence to suggest that old games being playable keeps IP's alive. Having your own newly hired game designers be able to play your company's old games so that they can make the next iteration is valuable enough to rationalize maintaining them.
>>737193884SKG wants all future releases of GaaS to do at least one of the following.>Include an 'offline mode' so that the game can continue to be played after servers are shut down>Include the option of P2P multiplayer sessions that won't be effected by servers being shut down>Release resources for player hosted servers>Provide customers with a clear and precise date and time at which servers/services will be shut down at the time of sale/purchase
>>737197424>FairphoneThanks for the heads up. I just got a good new phone (for nearly free), but I'm going to keep them in mind for the future.
let games die
>>737178813>Millions of dollars per yearDo you understand anything in existence?
>>737178813Yeah I think that's a great idea.
>>737180860It's the standard tactic
>>737180860worse, they think community servers run and paid for by the community will somehow cost the original owners money
>>737178813you can just let the players host servers
>>737195240Great image bro.
>>737178813you better call your bosses and tell them to think about complying with the upcoming legislations that will make all of you our bitches, corponigger
>>737178813Everyone outside of EU are bootlickers until proven otherwise.
>>737198075That's pretty much it. Anyone who argues the companies will switch over to a subscription model are retarded since that's what they, and the tech industry in general, were doing anyway. Games industry's practices are unsustainable, even Fortnite doesn't make enough money because of the cost of cross-promos and their ads, EGS mismanagement, creator payouts, and Sweety's lolsuits. It's the main reason why they pumped up the price of vbucks, and stopped giving free vbucks in battle passes.
>>737178813>OP Misunderstands what Stop Killing Games isgo renew your pirate fagware sub.
i think better consumer rights are good, actually
>>737203248Why is everyone so antisemitic here?
>>737180745Sure buddy
>mfw SKG gets what it wants
>>737179442YOU CAN'T KEEP THIS GAME UP IT USES SPEEDTREES AND THE LICENSE EXPIRED AAAAAAAAA
>>737178813>Do you really think forcing these games to stay up and siphon millions of dollars per year is a good idea?But that wouldn't be happening. They're just asking for end of life support. Add in way to play offline, or host private servers or whatever. After that was implemented, it would not cost companies a dime.
>>737180379If you dont offer up products for a certain area, you straight up lose money.Thats how russians got into pirating.Besides the fact that the small amount of projects that got released in russia wasnt accounted for in regional price.I wish corpos woud try their luck.
>>737178813You have no idea what SKG is even about.Stop making threads about it.SKG would not force Sony to keep Concord up and Sony gave everyone refunds anyway.Because Concord was not designed to die instantly and they could have just released an SDK ...which is the whole point of what SKG is about.
>>737178813I honestly dont care if it succeeds or not. I just want the entire industry to burn to the ground, and if this somehow helps, then good.
>>737179442>new regulations will shitcan absolute garbage like GamespyDon't threaten my with a good time nigger
>>737184342Man, the realization>Get the cheapest modern Fifa or Madden>Mod out athletes no longer available>Mod in the new ones>We got fifa/madden 26 at home, but this time for real>You pay nothing and will be happyQuick question to those that do: Why woud you ever buy the annual Sportsgame?As someone that doesnt play them, it allways seems like the same exact fucking game with minor changes and updated roster, but the gameplay allways stays the same for every fucking entry.You basicly pay full price so that the little dude you control has a different name popping up when you switch controll.
>>737207150>You basicly pay full price so that the little dude you control has a different name popping up when you switch controll.that's basically itthey buy it so they can Stay Current with This Year's Team Rostersit would be one thing if the gameplay also advanced each year... but it doesn't
>>737207150Sportsball appeals to the dumbest possible gorillas ever, they're barely smart enough to pick up a controller and actually use it instead of trying to eat it (most of the time). They have absolutely no idea mods are a thing.Also they NEED to consoom the new thing because the other monkeys are consooming the new thing and they NEED to play multiplayer together.
>muh americans>muh europeansShut the fuck up you retarded indian. CURSE VISHNU
The only games that would be negatively affected by SKG are bottom of the barrel trash whose monetization scheme is all about wringring their players dry with tested psychological trapsThe world is better without them
>>737178813I swear these fags are open source digital anarchy trannies who expect big companies to just release proprietary code on shit just so they can keep running Concordlikes. This whole movement just oozes with entitlement and first world problems. Should a movie company keep producing a movie forever or release it online just because it may become hard to watch? Should a car company keep manufacturing a shitbox or release the closely guarded design documents so car enthusiasts can always access it? Where does it end, we gonna have to dig up the corpses of loved ones too so you can play around with them like dolls?
>>737186983The Crew was never the point, Ross always said it was just a convenient target because: a) Ubisoft is based in France so they can't weasel out by saying America says they can scam customers forever and so it's not EU's jurisdiction actually; b) it was killed cleanly and competely, no half-measures; c) it had a fuckton of players so presumably some people cared and still had receipts and stuff; d) it absolutely didn't need connection to the servers anyway, it could be just singleplayer.Ross did like the game, but that was just a coincidence. He just thought it was a good target.
>>737207692Just fyi, almost every game before 2005 is SKG compliant and no one had any problem with it.
>>737189026Bro, i can tell you rightaway that there is stuff out there that intrigued me and that i dont buy because of allways online or MTX(Sometimes even P2W).Diablo 4 woud be a recent example.I woud buy it if it had an offline mode or player hosted servers, but as it stands now they wont get a penny from me.
>>737190546Mercury LOVE
>>737187535This link apparently cuts out all non-English speakers and so loses some context. I don't remember if there was anything important there, but quite a few speakers are missing.Use one of these going forward instead, they should be complete and have dub over non-English speakers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSla5vfGi3Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI9uwXxTpUk
>>737207390This, it's blatant attempts at creating infighting to disrupt.
>>737207982Never mind, I'm retarded. The second video is wrong, it even says "original audio".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43FkWGIO1ZIThis should have the English audio.
>>737198075>Provide customers with a clear and precise date and time at which servers/services will be shut down at the time of sale/purchaseIIRC this is not really what it asks for, but only because at that point you're already just buying a subscription. The legal environment already allows for this if publishers pivot over to WoW-style "subscriptions" from the start.
>>737207692Movies become open source or public domain after about 70 years i think.Books and records do the same.In 25 years, the first early videogames will become public source.If i was a politician, i woud advocate to make games public domain after 30 years to account for how fast digital media ages, and how fast they become outdated.I think its baffeling that someone can still make money with pokemon red and blue.Shit was technologically left behind the momment 64 bit games released.And allthough pokemon was and still is a novel idea for a game, you should let everyone enjoy them for historic purposes.Its not like you woud code a game the same way you woud do in 1998.Infact, i woud guess most people couldnt even if they wanted to, with all the modern crutches gamedevs depend on.A teenager that wants to learn about victorian era writing can just search up lovecraft or Stoker online and learn from them.
>>737208546>The legal environment already allows for this if publishers pivot over to WoW-style "subscriptions" from the start.No, people playing WoW or any MMO for that matter do not have a "Service for this games will end on [this date]." Not as a sub or an expansion ending, the actual life of the whole game.
>>737208787Well that is a technicality, the service still ends for you if you do not renew payment. Also the likelyhood of a dev making a game with the plan to end it precisely in X time without any extensions is probably not gonna happen, because a lot can happen to economics in even just a year, let alone a few years. The company can get hit so hard that the server has to end at that point, and they can't sunset it early then without falling foul of SKG and being forced to send refund- fucking their wallets even harder in the process.Logically speaking, publishers will not make games that "end in X time" unless they are small as fuck games and they last a relatively short time for some artistic reason. They will be subscription games, because they are flexible like WoW. Albeit they will never sell you the game directly and then tell you to buy a subscription ontop of it like WoW originally did.
>>737178813Just implement responsible, consumer-friendly end of life plans in your live service slop, corpocucks.
>>737179442Thank god Europe is putting a stop to games as a live service.
>>737209080Or basically tl;dr "ending in X time" from initial release is risky, subscription with nebulous end-time isn't, so they will go for subscription or f2p with mtx (assuming SKG doesn't cover mtx properly)So those are the options if they absolutely do not want players to be able to just host (like say old Counter-Strike, Minecraft or whatever) or reverse engineer the game hosting (like how players made old versions of WoW hostable without needing to pay Blizzard for server access)
Do what I tell you to do or else.
>>737179516Movies, music, book makers don't destroy all copies of older works to sell more new ones, so why should we allow vidya publishers to do it?
>>737209080>Also the likelyhood of a dev making a game with the plan to end it precisely in X time without any extensions is probably not gonna happen, because a lot can happen to economics in even just a year, let alone a few years.Not my problem.
>>737209363Yeah but that means the dev will not take the risk unless it's some art project meant t "die", so they will make a subscription or F2P game.
>>737180379That's the financial equivalent of severing your arm to avoid having to heal a minor injury.
>>737179249We've reached a point where nothing can stop SKG so I just insult them and ignore whatever retarded bootlicking dumbass shit they say.I remember about a year ago they would just whine that I was too mean when I refused to engage in their retarded scripted hypotheticals.God this is the victory of a lifetime truly. Fuck corporations and all their shills to death and hell.
>>737209318this image but unironically
>>737209406Also that's not really a bad thing, because back when WoW was big everyone wanted to cash in with subscriptions until they realized what people have realized about Fortnite: There's only so many games that can be "big" at the same time, people are not going to subscribe to 50 things at once. Same reason why streaming like Netflix and Disney+ and so on has fragmented and allowed piracy to return, because having to manage 5+ subscriptions is just bad service that nobody wants to pay for.Good service (and thus good sales) in this case would in that case be to just release server hosting software on EoS, which customers would probably laud btw
>>737179535Gag
>>737179835Not until the time is right of course.
>>737180117>New legislation requires developers decelop literally EVERYTHING in house>The engine>The language>The very fucking netcode and interfacing elements between the game and the serversYeah, that totally won't do the exact opposite of this retarded fucking temper tantrum. No, we NEED bibg bing wahoo like Concord and Anthem to exist into pwrpetuity. In fact, all art should ve maintained, every fucking picture, every fucking book ever published MUST exist forever.Nothing can die, nothing can decay, nothing can wither at the vine, all must be preserved so a DYEL manchild can be known for literally anything other than his dying YouTube career.
>>737209653See, thats the beauty of itif I want something to keep existing, it willif nobody cares, itll dieThe point is that that decision is now in the hands of the players, not the corpo whose cock is in your mouth
>>737209653>so a DYEL manchild can be known for literally anything other than his dying YouTube career.this isn't about you, Jason
>>737209406>SubscriptionsAhahahahahaIf gaming really goes this route, i am done and will just refrain from new titles.I can get the old ones very easy and (((cheap)))And there is a lifetime supply.Better yet, when their new enterprises enavitably fails due to missing customers, they will have to give EoS access and i will still get what i want for pretty easy and cheap.Only games i know wich made profit through subscriptions is WoW and FFXI/XIV.Every other competitor had to go F2P with MTX(TORtanic, Lord of the Rings Online) after a while, or go offline.The only anomaly in this is Guild Wars, wich is still as playable as it was in 2005.>Servercost is literally under 1k anualy
>>737193884They are open to any solution that keeps the game alive. Offline modes, peer-to-peer , community servers, banning publishers from taking measures to make their dead games unrecoverable.
I voted for SKG. I'm glad it's going to the EU. Nothing you can do about it.
>>737209965>>If gaming really goes this route, i am done and will just refrain from new titles.>I can get the old ones very easy and (((cheap)))>And there is a lifetime supply.People might try subscriptions, but there are only so much subscription games that can be active at any one time. It should be said that WoW killed every other subscription game by being too big to make other subscription-based games competitive with it.
>>737209518a new meta would form, instead of a $15 per month sub after the first month like what MMOs did, they'll give you X months/years and after that you'll lose the ability to play the game until you pay againor they'll let you extend your sub with in-game currencies people underestimate how creative lawyers and corpos can get when it comes to exploiting customers
>>737179535That's what happened to Simcity (2013)
>>737209318A rapidly shrinking amount of people give a shit what these fags say, do, desire, etc. It is surreal to see how this entity's citizens are blinded of this by their nationalist propaganda that suddenly started kicking up this decade. I, like many, know what is likely to happen in the future, but the people who will actually be impacted are blissfully ignorant. Actually, they are all atheistic nihilists who can't wash God's blood off their hands, they are just ignorant for the sake of it.
I was wondering how SKG would work for console-only games since Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are very anal about allowing custom code
>>737210346Shut the fuck up, s*rb
>>737180379Yeah just tell the shareholders you won't sell to 400+ million people.
>>737209653Yes.Humanity allways had the desire to gather and archive knowledge.For good reason.Many people argue that the burning of the library of alexandria threw back humanity 1000 years of advancement.It is our duty as humans, to all of humanity, to gather and archive everything we can, and make most of it accesible with as low of an entry cost as is economically viable for the producer.For the betterment of us all, for our future and everyone that comes after.Thats why we have a public domain.You will just dismiss this post by saying>Dude, its just videogamesI dont care.If the next Tesla gets inspired by playing some shitty ass gatcha, that might be cringe, but it is what it is.We shoud burn CEOs(coincidentaly most of them are tiny hats) that think otherwise for crimes against humanity.I mean that with a 1000%.
>>737210324Probably, but the moment you call your game a "subscription game" it becomes hard to pull people into it. There's a good reason nobody actually replicated WoW's success using subscriptions.
>>737210352they'd either skip europe or make them pay a sub to play their games
>>737186159Because Concord gave out refunds. Sucks for preservation, but it is not fraud. Your consumer rights are upheld.
>>737207734Ross does like The Crew genuinely though.
>>737210352They would have to update the consoles to allow for some basic P2P via their OS at the end of service for the console. The games themselves? I guess they can pack in some basic server hosting.Today's consoles are just gated PCs, if the devs care enough, they can accommodate baked-in game hosting with either P2P via IP or just LAN play.
Indies will be totally unaffected by this because they can't afford to keep up server costs in the first place, all their games are locally hosted or lack multiplayer to begin with.Most AA studios opt for local hosting as well, the cost is too high compared to their player counts.AAA studios which opt for server hosting deserve to go bankrupt. If your business cannot survive without theft, then your business has no right to exist. If you can adapt then so be it, but if you can't, then perish. MMOs and the like will continue to exist because they are services and have nothing to do with SKG, but all the coin-on-a-string games which delete themselves upon losing too much revenue will no longer be legal. If you were relying upon those to finance your company, then I guess you had better start figuring out other means of earning a living that don't involve ripping people off.
The only actual angle the corpos can attack is that private servers/peer to peer connections are unmoderated and someone can say "gas the kikes race war now" or "trannies get the rope" in chat and hurt someone's feelings.
>>737209653>No, we NEED bibg bing wahoo like Concord and Anthem to exist into pwrpetuity. In fact, all art should ve maintained, every fucking picture, every fucking book ever published MUST exist forever.Yes, actually.
>>737178813YOU WILL LET ME HOST MY GAMES NOW!NOOOOOOWWW!!!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!
Holy crap anti skg shills are absolutely shitting themselves.You know games being preserved is what builds nostalgia right?
>>737210554>Next TeslaGo suck off Elon somewhere else, jeet
>>737213841i think he means the next Nikola Tesla
>>737178813>developers and publishers have money to burn on the live-service lottery, but not enough money to actually make the games playableIf that don't sum up the state of gaming in 2026
Maybe developers should stop making games that rely on constant revenue to be viable.
>>737211060there are indie and AA studios who use 3rd party hosting providers toogenerally you pay based on usage, if no one is playing your game then costs stay low, if it gets popular then you pay for increased capacity/bandwidth/whateverlook at the case of dread hunger>At this point Dread Hunger is on life support , and will continue to be until revenues drop to a point where keeping the servers running is no longer sustainable. It’ll be a sad day when that happens, but given how much time players spend playing Dread Hunger and how little recurring monetization there is, it’s more or less inevitable.after it died they released the servers>Thankfully, if you enjoy this game, you can continue to do so as the servers are being released to the public. In other words, the game’s community will be able to host their own servers, which is not as ideal, but is a nice option for fans. >“We understand the disappointment and emotions this decision might bring. In light of this decision, we will be releasing Dread Hunger’s server to allow you, the community, to host your own servers,”
>>737214536unfortunately live service multiplayer games are the peak achievement of life itself in this universe
>>737209908Except thats not what you fuvkwits are demanding, SKG is openly and publicly demanding developers support the release of video game services until the fucking heat death of the fucking universe which not only isn't possible first off, but second who are you to demand this shit happen at all? Its a fucking video game. All you faggots are, are poor niggers whining that AAA games suck "now" (read: they alsays fucking did but you porn addicted losers blitzed your dopamine receptors and now nothing feels good) and now you're trying to spite the entire fucking industry because you can't not touch your dick for more than a day.The decision was ALWAYS in the players hands, the decision to NOT FUCKING PLAY THESE GOD DAMN GAMES.NOTHING, THERE IS NOTHING, I REPEATNOTHINGWORTHADAMNABOUT THESE GAMES. But ALL of you decided you couldn't practice what you preach, and now you're whining to the fucking EUROPEAN. UNION. The SAME fucking boomer shitlib retards that are fucking Concord, Dustborn, and all this fucking DEI woke goyslop, who want nothing more than to control video games, the last industry they couldn't sink their claws into despite pissing away billions of dollars. And you blundering retards want to hanx them the fucking keys to the god damn industry?>>737210554And no matter how nuch yoh all dress up your malding in flowery language, you can't disguise rye reality that 99% of all games aren't worth playing, which is why nobody does, and nobody shouldn't by virtue of simple survival of the fitest.If a game is worth playing it will survove by virtue of its popularity. If it goes the way of fucking Maratroon, then it will crash and burn and serve as a lesson for developers to not. Make. This fucking garbage. It will serve as a warning to explicity not do this shit. A scrawling of "Here be dragons" and "this is no place of honor" for bean counters and business tycoons.Now? Now according to SKG nothing can ever fail, how wonderful
>>737214869>demanding developers support the release of video game services until the fucking heat death of the fucking universe which not only isn't possible first offif it's no longer possible just hand it off to someone else to do it for free lmao
>>737214869if i buy the game then i get to play the game
>>737214945Why don't you just byy more money since you're too poor to buy new games lmao
>>737213501where the fuck did you find the FPS view for xcom1?Is it an OXCE feature?
I just realised the SKG website got an overhaul, neat.
>>737179442Hey anons did you know that devs are now using the power of the cloud™ to stream textures to your computer saving you precious GPU time? That's why games have to be online only nowadays. Can't be helped.
>>737215405lol
>>737215405>we've replaced your 16GB/s PCIe link with a 25MB/s ethernet link :)
>>737189485>The thing in Australia was about Valve's support employees failing to act on Australian consumers' legal right to a non-defective product that is fit for purpose, which is a wholy different topic.Part of the code the ACCC was holding them to is that consumers must be able to receive a refund if those conditions are not met. As Valve was not meeting that requirement they were told they would lose their ability to do business here if they didn't unfuck their platform to allow refunds and thus comply with the regulations.
>>737215313Its a FR being worked on, currently in latest oxce dev build, enabled by f10Its under oxce suggestions new on the oxce forum.Expect bugs but its fucking cool.Also there's an xcom thread in /vst/
>>737215313Apparently the game always did its projectile calculations via an FPS method, but now OXCE has the ability to access and texture that view/calculation and export it as an image.
>>737215405why doesn't the game just stream textures from my SSD?
>>737214869No it's not requesting that. Nobody is requesting that, everyone involved with skg has SAID they don't want that.EA Could literally release a fucking executable for a private server for a game to let players run servers after support ends, and then EA could douse themselves in gasoline and cease existing as an entity after, it makes 0 difference to us, IF, we can keep running the games ourselves.
>>737178813>Do you really think forcing these games to stay up and siphon millions of dollars per year is a good idea?Yes. They deserve to lose even more money. And it will further discourage them from producing live service copycat slop.
>>737178813this is a baitposter paid for by ubisoft do not engage
>>737214869didn't ubisoft shit their pants and release an offline patch for crew2 after SKG got popular? kinda proving that it is in fact possible?not to mention how there are sooo many games that claim they MUST be online only, only for gamers to crack it and discover that isn't true at alllike when they made that awful new simcity game and made it always online and claimed it couldn't be offline and then gamers cracked it in a week and made it run perfectly fine offlinei just don't trust 99% of devs when they say their shit has to be online or it would be too hard to make it offline, they're almost always liars
>>737215897No, they have, and you can pretend they aren't but don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining. SKG is pulling the same fucking stunt as Right To Repair did when it was sold as people not being locked out of fixing their own shit by software or lawfare, and turned into USB-C being the defacto standard for everything, forever, and oh yeah, you get to sue tech companies if they won't sell you components THEY bought specifically to manufacture their product, so you can repair said products when they fail.You could literally just bot play these fucking games. Period. End of story. Done. Discussion over. Name a single fucking AAA game, let alone a AAA multiplayer game released in the past decade, fucking worth "preserving" as you faggots like to pretend you are. Just one. Fuck, name one from the past 15 years. Pro tip there aren't fucking any.Grow up, holy fuck, you don't have to buy every for Nintendie, every fucking Snoy, every fucking Microslop, EA, Ubislop, AAA multi billion dollar Concordia flop that gets dumped on the market.There were enough games released between 95-2000, on the PS1 and PC-98, that thanks to emulation you can play for "free", that are individually better than every AAA game released last year, combined.
>>737216581>just don't trust 99% of devs when they say their shit has to be online or it would be too hard to make it offline, they're almost always liarsIts usually publishers, not devs. Devs almost always want their works enjoyed.
>>737216667yeah true, but then there have been a lot of baseddevs who have come out of the woodwork to talk about how bad SKG is for devs and how devs don't want SKG to succeed so I've started to think it's not just the publishers who are this retarded/evil
>>737216660>No, they haveCitation needed. Point to a SINGLE skg official or especially ross, who has said this.
>another thread filled with babel media shitjeets recycling stale talking points
>>737216660>There were enough games released between 95-2000, on the PS1 and PC-98, that thanks to emulation you can play for "free", that are individually better than every AAA game released last year, combined.you're a special kind of retardthe only way those ps1 games are emulateable at all was because they were ALWAYS OFFLINEif all game devs in 2026onwards start making always online games you won't be able to emulate them 20 years from nowwhich is exactly what SKG wantyou are actually on SKG's side you're just too retarded to realize it lmao
>>737214869There is so much wrong with your post, but i will just shit on your worst take to entertain myself>Le survival of the fittest, le popularity will decide its meritVan gogh died a broke bumTesla died a broke bumBoth only got their cred post mortum.Burgertards have an rapist acompliace as their highest authority, voted in by popular demand.I dont fucking care for the opinions of the unwashed masses, halve of them cant formulate a cohesive thought, 65% of adults in the US read on the level of grade scholers.Sometimes, brighter minds have to work overtime for the sake of us all, and they do it in love of us all.Problem is that they try push context on to you, cause they dont trust the peasantry to think for themselfs.Youre a nice example, you kick and scream while we try to even the playing field in favour for consumers, you and us.Dont slander them with your brain-diareah.Sometimes we only learn the worth of art and artists after theyre gone.>MaratroonYou will laugh at me for this(deservedly) but i actually bought it cause there was some parts i liked about it.https://youtu.be/-wQfCuKxC5c?si=cPofBrLcLQgIiaCaShame that it is an unbalanced mess, and the devs dont have any vision for what it should be.Btw, SKG will force corpos to hold the burning bag, so expect less Concordlikes for the future.Its hard to justify for a publisher burning cash om something no one wants when you have to support it indefinately or hand over the keys to people that actually care.
>>737216660>Name a single fucking AAA game, let alone a AAA multiplayer game released in the past decade, fucking worth "preserving" as you faggots like to pretend you are. Just one.fantasy earth zerochromehoundsmetal gear onlineconcord and i'm not even being the slightest bit disingenuous or sarcastic
>>737178813Why does the soldier in this meme look like Boogerman?
>>737216736Name 1 please. Especially a dev who isn't some shovelware slop moron who's not even sold 10k copies.Because that's the only type of one I've seen.Or pirate software, but we all know our feelings on FERRET FUCKER.
>>737217150Evil Davius Ferret Rapist is the only one I can think of.
>>737217150>Or pirate software, but we all know our feelings on FERRET FUCKER.I remember a lot of devs piggybacked on pirate when he came out against SKG saying they agreed with him, but I can't remember themI think most devs of triple-A games are probably under contract to not speak out in favor of SKG or just are too afraid of losing their triple-A job regardless to talk about iteither way we're fucked if euros are our only hope to save digital consumer rights in modern year
>>737216770>ERM LE SOURCE >SOURCE CHUD>ERM ACTUALLY WHERE IS YOUR DOUBLE BLIND PEER REVIEWED STUDY OF THE SOURCE MAGGATPoint to a single AA game released in the past 15 years worth preserving, chuckle fuck>>737216808Fucking and? They're the only games worth playing but god forbid you fucking children can't play Black Ops 12 as your iconic Nicki Manaj skin, when you're 86 and want to relive your youth of twerk glory kills which you paid $10 to unlock in your $80 battle pass.I want these fucking games to disappear because they aren't just worthless, they are actively hostile to the creation of good games. Which if SKG gets its way, will cease to exist as the entire industry freezss in the amber of bureaucratic bullshit.No matter how much you cry, how much you lament, you cannot turn back time and relive the experiences of your youth that you used as a surrogate for genuine human connection. If your soul feels hollow, its not because games suck, its that they were never meant to fill that void.>>737216861Van Gogh is a hack and his popularity is post modernist revisionism, and Tesla had a handful of smart ideas then spent the rest of his life dodging the inside of a padded cell.Funny you bought Maratroon, but no matter what parts I may have liked about it, I have a fucking soul and a spine that doesn't bend like a reed, and refuse to bend the latter so I can sell the former for cheap thrills.Its a part of growing up.>>737216930>MMO slop>Multiplayer slop>Multiplayer slop>ConcordLol, lmao
>>737178813You are a jew shilling for other jews. All Stop Killing Games is asking for, is if they don't want to support some online trash indefinitely, then give players P2P servers they can run themselves.
>>737178813Fuck off buttnigger I don't care about your game at all
>>737217509>MY SOURCE IS I MADE IT THE FUCK UP.figured as much.Btw how does it feel that your shilling operation is a laughable failure?? Everywhere I go I see people shit talking skg get laughed out the fucking room.
>>737178813Listen here faggots, I've been playing video games for 30 years, do you know how many I've ever wanted to keep online forever? Not a single goddamn one. Kill yourself retard.
>>737180379Ask all of the studios that refused to list their games on Steam because of Steam's compliance with another EU consumer protection law. The one that makes the two hour refund window mandatory.There aren't any.
>>737217509sorry i'll only advocate for the preservation of art YOU like, random anon who clearly doesn't want any games to be preserved
>>737217509Did you just... refute your own point nigga?>Van gogh bad>Tesla a loony>They dont deserve to be popular!Under your statement>The market decides what is worthy to conserve, popularity and sheeeiitYoure a moron, and you even called yourself one.>A soul and a spineYou might be interested in a brain and reasoning along those.
I'm sorry Thor, you were right.
>>737217898Who?
>>737217937That's pirate softwares real name I think, I'll be honest I was just baiting.
>>737178813>publishers getting nervous the threadgoodhope the "costs" bleed you dry
>>737179442Riot did exactly that after the servers got ddos'd during Worlds. They had to shit out a LAN client.
>>737209653>In fact, all art should ve maintained, every fucking picture, every fucking book ever published MUST exist forever.I like how in your frothing tantrum of trying to make your strawman you've made an entirely correct, noble, and just sentiment. You're such a soulless, subhuman bugman that art preservation is actively offensive to you and you are repulsed by empathy. All art SHOULD be preserved, not just the stuff I like, because I am not the only person that matters. Burning books isn't good, even if I think the books suck or I disagree with what they say.
>>737217962His real name is Jason Hall.You know he jerked off on a random dude he met from basically furry grindr without consent, then asked for a ride to the grocery store while barefoot?? Classy
>>737217962No, his real name is Jason Hall.
>>737178813The game industry does need some regulation regarding their content and their relation with their clients. While I agree that this may be a "dead law" as devs will be devs... it may serve as a bit of a deterrent so they don't just pull out any slop.And it may force devs who do manage to pull service games with some success to think on how their content is kept after EoS.If anything some legislation is better than no legislation.
>>737218096>>737218118Oh fair, I'm a retard.
>>737209653>In fact, all art should ve maintained, every fucking picture, every fucking book ever published MUST exist forever.Yes. Do you know how many Aeschylus plays we lost? Sophocles? Euripides? We even lost a Shakespeare play (he was considered low entertainment at the time) and a Melville novel.
>>737190137Lmao phoneposter
>>737217509>>No matter how much you cry, how much you lament, you cannot turn back time and relive the experiences of your youth that you used as a surrogate for genuine human connection. If your soul feels hollow, its not because games suck, its that they were never meant to fill that void.>says that modern games are trash and ps1 games were better>bitches that people cannot go back and enjoy the games/experiences of their youth>fails to realize he's contradicting himself over and over and over againyour typical /v/tard in the wild
>>737178813Concord had a fan revival, Sony killed it.All you gotta do under SKG is don't kill the fan revival.
>>737218357i unironically can't wait for concord to get a second chance at lifeplease god let me play it
>>737218315I know vtards are vtards but lets be honest. This is JUST a shill, probably being paid 5$ a post or something.I almost feel bad, I'd rather sell rustbucket cars to desperate single mothers than shill such laughably false lies He can't even MAKE UP a source, rofl
>>737218421>5v5 Bazz only mode with the /v/ros>spamming Boondocks quotes on voice chatI need it...
>>737218519Ngl that low-key sounds hilarious. Bring back Concord. Then mod in an Asian cop who shoots them all dead.
>>737218519you want to play it ironicallyi want to play it genuinelyyet we are united in this endeavour to preserve games
>>737178813Retard fundamentally misunderstands SKG. Many such cases
>>737180496Tell that to the executives and see how they react
>>737217676How does it feel that when you tell random stranger, that you want to play Black Ops 7 forever and if you can't you will shit in your hands and clap, people are so distracted by the smell of your unwashed ass that they didn't realize what you said initially?>>737217865You don't have to "preserve" anything. Thats the brilliant part, as video games aren't even that.>>737217893Tesla... Achieved functionally nothing, and Van Gogh was capitalized on as a form of money laundering, which has nothing to do with his skill as a supposed artist. Almost like theres a parallel between the true intentions behind his supposed popularity and the true intentions behind SKG or something.>>737218079>IF YOU DON'T LET ME PLAY BING BING WAHOO FOREVER YOUR ARE LITEREORALLY 1984 YIU DRUMFACIST NAZZI HITLEOR CHUD>>737218189Shakespeare privately gave shows to Queen Elizabeth the Ist, and her entauarge, for 15 of the 50 years he was alive you blubbering, blundering, unread, inbred, neanderthal. Keep talking out your ass.
>>737178813Here's an unpopular opinion: Maldavius right about SKG, and it will make the gaming industry worse. Because we know the axiom: the more regulated the market, the worse it is for everyone—both producers and consumers. The direct path to improving product quality is REDUCING market regulations, even to the point of their absence.This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones. This is why American service is far better than European service. Because the market in the US is freer. And the freer the market, the better it is for everyone.SKG, on the other hand, proposes additional regulations that will burden producers but ultimately lead to all costs being passed on to consumers.Those who oppose absolute market freedom are shooting themselves in the foot
>>737218615>entauarge
>>737218615>>IF YOU DON'T LET ME PLAY BING BING WAHOO FOREVER YOUR ARE LITEREORALLY 1984 YIU DRUMFACIST NAZZI HITLEOR CHUDCorrect.
>>737218615video games are artplease explain to me how a product of literature, music, 2D and 3D visual art, acting, stage design and ruleset design is somehow less than the sum of its parts
>>737178813SKG is a good consumer rights movement. You are entitled to the use of software you have legally purchased a license for. Now if only people would get this excited over shit that actually matters instead of their bing bing wahoo
>>737218627>Because we know the axiom: the more regulated the market, the worse it is for everyone—both producers and consumers.Yeah, I absolutely fucking hate the Clean Water Act and not having my drinking water be horribly polluted.Acting like ALL regulation is good or ALL regulation is bad is fucking retarded. There are countless good regulations in place that protect your life and prevent you from getting fucked, and the only reason you don't know that is because they're doing their job properly. Likewise, there's plenty of dogshit regulation that just makes life harder on consumers, but that's often pushed by corporations/producers. It's important to push back and protect your rights as a human and a consumer, because that's what the law and government is there for. Regulation will exist whether you like it or not, and if you don't make use of it it'll be made use of against you.Capitalism can only exist in a regulated market. Responsible regulations are needed for a market's health. Consumers and their rights are just as important under capitalism as producers, if not more so.
>>737185621Wrong
>>737218627>the more regulated the market, the worse it is for everyone—both producers and consumerslol
>>737218627>Because we know the axiom: the more regulated the market, the worse it is for everyone—both producers and consumers.that's great in theory but in practice it's paid DLC, cash shops, always on connections and marketed as a service. In essence, it is a goyim corral designed to extract as much value from the end user as possible that necessitated the creation of consumer movements to begin with.
>>737218615>REEEEEEEEEEEEI only asked for a source. A video, a clip, a picture from discord. It obviously doesn't exist but c'mon, shill better Ffs at least ask grok to deepfake a discord message where Ross says he wants publishers to support servers forever. I believe you can shill better than this.
Remember, the more anti-SKG threads that get posted, the more the corpos are getting nervous. Do not relent.
It won't work because gamers are appealing to the power of people who don't know shit about the industry, and have a proven history of enormous overreach (EU, UK etc)They might get what they want, but it'll come with a whole bunch of shit nobody wanted.
This kills the shill.
>it actually is as costly and difficult to provide the community with server tools as the publishers/lobbyists will no doubt claimThen maybe they'll have to think a bit harder before pushing yet another bare-minimum, planned-obsolescence Slop-as-a-Service title.>it's actually not that costly and difficultThen the few autists who still enjoy it, will be able to continue doing so.Sounds like a win-win for everyone but the venture capitalists throwing darts to hit another Fortnite.
>>737218749Virgin Angel has more artistic merit than every AAA sloppa released in the past 5 years, combined. But sure, TLoU2 is art, after all art is made by people and people painted the Sistine Chappel, and Michelangelo was gay, just like how Niel Druckman is a cock suck faggot. Ergo, Niggers Stealling n'Shiet: the Bing Bing Wahoo Experience (tm) is art.>>737219002Name a single game, fuck face. For every game you can name, Ill waste a minute of what comparitively little time I have on this earth validating your parasocial relationship with a man who thinks he can compensate going bald, by growing out his little remaining hair.
>>737218615>Keep talking out your assYou are already doing that.
>>737219164>They might get what they want, but it'll come with a whole bunch of shit nobody wanted.>I hope you get everything you asked for and nothing you wanted Jason Hall, please stop raping your ferrets
>>737219243>anti-art shill is a racistevery time
>>737188321Troonix jeetware is epic.
>>737218615Discussing with you has no point.Youre either a shill or go for bait, and if that was your incentive, congratulations.In my opinion, you deserve death for being a traitor to humanity if those are your true and heartfelt opinions.Its not for you to decide what we shoud conserve out of your twisted sense for justice.Its not your sole privilige to be the arbiter of artistic integrity.Give people access to media and let them decide for thsemselfs.Youre a fag that wishes to be king, when all your creditials are being a retard online.
>>737219243Maybe you'd be a more effective shill if you weren't spewing insults like an impotent preteen who got his Nintendo switch taken away because bad grades.Also people already listed games, but the crew is an easy one. But you'll probably say the crew is gayer than you.
>>737219367What's the alternative? Microslop? Apple? Don't tell me BSD.
>>737218627yeah oil companies should be able to dump thousands of pounds of toxic waste into the ocean because think of the jobs and the economic growth. all regulation bad because I'm a retard who can only think in black and white.
>>737219426Everything that you listed is better than troonix because the abi just doesn't break.
>>737219328That cats to ugly, I want a cute cat picture next time. At least it’s a new picture, I don’t want any of that crap that’s been around for longer than a couple months. Gonna rate your meme dog like an 8/65. It’s not the award winner I was hoping for, but does contain some decent arguments.
>>737218627>This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European onesYou love that corn syrup filled soda? Surely regulations to use actual sugars would taste weird right? I'm American, but ffs, I realize some regulations are good.
>>737218749>video games are artVideo games are gameplay loops.
>>737212963Can you believe that bitch got a free ride and tried to bait legal shit on top of that?
>>737219584Sounds like pirate software desu ...
>>737219575chess is art; all games are art
>>737219328The dictionary contains over 300,000 ways to describe pain. And, only a couple ways to describe pleasure. Sardonic, that’s the gayest fucking word you worthless sack of shit. You fucking cheap bastard I’ll fuck your asshole and you can learn the meaning of sardonic.
>>737219607Chess is a game.
>>737219419>Erm Chud, actshewally the Crew is le hekin high art, you'd know if you weren't so racist
>>737219651games are art regardless of your consideration that they are merely toys
>>737178813Good Morning Saar
>>737219680Games are purpose built engines that let you experience a gameplay loop. You can play chess with random cubes if you want, the art part is just the presentation. This is why modern games suck. The fartists draw shit first instead of coming up with a gameplay loop.
>>737219728Good point>>737219669How many Google gift cards are you being paid, and what would it cost for you to drop the shill =)
>>737219763thank you for conceding due to being incorrect
>>737219827Nice one liner, faggot.
>>737213501
>>737219840thanks i thought of it because you had no argument
I'm expecting the jeets to start spamming gore or illegal shit within the week since they instantly lost every argument they floatedGod DAMN it feels good to be white
>>737219971Draw harder.
>>737219391Thats cool and all but my opinion is the only one that matters here, not yours. And its funny you think this is a discussion when you're not even the dirt beneath my boot.I will decide what is art and what is not, and you can do literally nothing to stop me.>>737219819How poor are you that you can't even afford to emulate or pirate, such that ensuring you can play Call of Duty and TLoU2 untill the day you die, is more important than you just picking up an extra shift or something? Hell, even your insults revolve around projecting your poverty.
>>737219978It has been hilarious watching this. I haven't seen such a one sided "debate" in a while. Its like they go from choking on one dick as soon as they open their mouth, to stumbling mouth first on another dick.I take great joy in seeing shills THIS btfo
>>737219978>>737220115Holy brownoid samefag.
>>737219978Not really, beating an Indian man at something is like completely unfulfilling. Thats why the takeover is going so smoothly. Nobody really cares about them, until it’s too late. This isn’t like the trans Atlantic slave ships that brought hundreds of millions of niggers into eastern America. We’re bringing these diaper heads into our own towns. I’m so FUCKING angry at trump. He should be building more missile turrets and guard towers in the cities to snipe them.
>>737220115their arguments are "games aren't art", "stop being poor", and "regulations are bad, actually"it's the most soulless corporate self-own in shill history, they don't have a shred of humanity or ethics to stand on
>>737220157Beating implies there is resistance, and as we know indians are the weakest race on this planet. They are completely unable to strive without parasiting their betters. But, in the same way that cleaning is drab work but brings happiness from a job well done, so is crushing indians.
>>737185621>we're lazy so we should get to rob you too
>>737220141I find it hilarious that Indians are calling others indian because they know people hate indians, so they think it will boost their shilling.This thread amuses me>>737220198You're telling me, I even suggested one MAKE a deep fake of Ross saying he wanted eternal support, and they are too lazy to do that.Its genuinely funny.
>>737220198He said, groveling at the feet of the EU. How much do they pay to shill SKG? Or was a green card and free reign to rape the goy the offer made?
>>737220374>Acting like skg is some massive conglomerate with cash to burn>Ross Scott too fucking broke af to afford a proper suit before parliament.>Zero theory as what special interest would want "games destroyed by skg".Can you fuckers at least use grok to make up shit for this, because this is getting boring.
>>737220374It's the rosscord's and rossddit's strongest soldiers.
Why are there suddenly pro-industry posters on /v/ when this topic comes up when in any other thread it is laughing at the current state of the industry?
>>737220775Fuck off. Anti-semitism has no place on /v/.
>>737220684I mean basically everyone has supported skg, pewdiepie, penguin0, jack septic eye, and uncountable smaller people. Its united mortal enemies even, like kf and trans.And you suggest this is all a massive psi op to destroy games.... with WHOS money and WHAT money incentive???If you guys don't try harder, your bosses might think you aren't trying.
>>737220775Indian shills.They get payed by engagement, so dont fall for the bait and dont respond directly to themJust follow my lead737220047Ok pajeet
>>737220374bitch i just want to play concord and chromehounds
>>737220775Paid shills. The industry lobbies went into full overdrive the moment the petition started getting enough traction to possibly succeed.
>>737217509>by making these games less economically viable and predatory you ensure there'll be more of them foreveryou're one retarded chimp aren't you? SKG will literally ensure that any company that plans to make live service games will be forced into damaging their own business model. I hope you're a shill, because if you aren't it means you're actually the dumbest person alive right now, and that would just be sad.
>>737178959I'd argue that developers giving 'influencers' free review copies hurts their sales more than pirates.Once the plebs watch some influencer play though their entire game, why would they bother buying a copy?
>>737220612>Acting like the EU isnt a massive conglomerate that has financial interests in regulating what video games get published>Because the EU just magically all of a sudden didn't donate billions of dollars to woke, DEI, goyslop gamesImagine being Ross, the male equivalent of Anita Sarkesian, dojng the same thing she did 10years prior, whining how the EU doesn't regulate video games hard enough so they can justify regulating them harder since "clearly" thats what the general pu lic wants more of.More fucking Concords.>>737220896>SAR SAR THEY GET>payedLmao.
>>737220893>Its united mortal enemies even, like kf and trans.Is that you Jewsh Troon from Florida, Serbia?
>>737221003Learn to format your posts right and you'll fit in better. Right now you're obviously an outsider and it's hurting your ability to shill effectively. Next tip is gonna cost ya though
>>737220945>if we regulate the food industry then milk producers will have to take a financial hit from not being allowed to whiten it with chalk and plaster!
I hope this also opens up discussion for versions of games being preserved, fucking hate games that I like being ruined because of one update. Even worse when the developers go out of their way to destroy the old versions (Bungie)
What do I care? I hate games.FUCK GAMERS AND FUCK GAMING.
>>737221003So you're saying the EU plans to make massive amounts of money, by making it so no games will sold in EU to be taxed???lol
>>737221102What are you even on about?
>>737221039Nah, but the fact you had him AND trans in agreement that SKG is needed and pirate soft sucks says volumes
737221003I made uncountable spelling mistakes in my earlier posts.But mention indians ONCE and you will try the esau gambit.Denounce Vishnu and Krishna and all your million other gods to proof you aint a shiteater.And while were at it, denounce the thalmud too.After that i will grant you some (You)s.
>>737221102>forced obsolence is good for the consumer, don't you get it?
Don't say government bad if you are going to hide behind the spook known as IP "law"
>>737221342That retard has been reddit spacing this entire time. He's just doing the jeet thing to try and fit in. Don't even bother responding to him
SKG is for helping retards who can't read the disclaimer.WE CAN SHUT DOWN OUR GAME ANYTIME WE WANTDO YOU AGREE?uhh yes
>>737221083Learn to write without using an AI and people wont notice that you're same fagging with the passion of a poor pajeet with dialup too slow to torrent Russian repacks of Fittroon cracks. Next tip is going to cost you more izzat.>>737221214>So you're saying Disney plans to make massive amounts of money, by making movies nobody will go watch???>So you're saying Sony/Bungie/Ubisoft/EA/Microsoft plans to make massive amounts of money, by making games nobody will play???>So you're saying Blackrock plans to make massive amounts of money, by investing in properties under the condition of the resulting products push EU/WEF agendas, that nobody will consume???>>737221342Christ is King, and fix your AI fuck face, its breaking the quote response.>>737221421Reddit spacingIs this because Reddit automatically double spaces paragraphs you fucking newfag. Keep regurgitating buzz words you weren't around for the advent of their gestation, without even fathoming their context, holy fuck.
>>737221301>but the fact you had him AND trans in agreementBut Jewsh, you're a pedo tranny and so are your moderators on your gay troll shield website.https://files.catbox.moe/ty3vty.mp4
>>737221596>christoid is against game preservation and consumer rightspottery
737221596Everyone can say christ is king.Even moslems can call him king without repercussions.I want you to denounce Vishnu, Krishna and the talmud.
>>737221596>absolutely seethingLol
Might as well post this, incase there's a single person who's confused and not a shill.https://youtu.be/sEVBiN5SKuA737221596I'm not new to special interests burning money but, usually with an objective... what's the objective here? Censorship?? They were already doing that.I can't see a single benefit to literally anyone if skg was as bad as shill claim
>>737221596>Is this because Reddit automatically double spaces paragraphs you fucking newfag. Keep regurgitating buzz words you weren't around for the advent of their gestation, without even fathoming their context, holy fuckThe fact you can't spot what I'm talking about in your own posts is funny to me.
>>737221742I'd say posting the poop festeval video is also acceptable personally.
>>737221679>Consumer rights is when we beg the EU kikes to fund more homo, troon, and nigger shit while propping up a balding middle aged needle dicked nerd>>737221742>>737221785>double replying>Using the same AI translator that is breaking the quote response>>737221846Reddit spacing refers to paragraph spacing you god damn clown. You can't just shoot a buzz word from the hip then when corrected, back peddle and referr to some other nebulous supossed observed behavior. You're not being clever, you're a fucking newfag parroting the words of someone else. You shit heads think SKG will be the next Wikipedia or some shit and yet you cant even go on Google to find out what Plebbit spacing actually is.
A reminder that these examples of games in the past not being destroyed is not because of good will, but a lack of means.Companies are not your friends.
737222004>>Using the same AI translator that is breaking the quote response>>737220896You mean quoting like this?
>>737222004>Consumer rights is when we beg the EU kikes to fund more homo, troon, and nigger shit while propping up a balding middle aged needle dicked nerdderanged
>>737222004>not it's blah blahYou fucking glow retard.>he's so new he doesn't recognize why he isn't being quoted directly and thinks it's by accidentCan't make this shit up. I don't normally hold with bitch replying, but I at least understand why it's done, you can't even manage that lol and just start seething>why is everyone calling me a gay fish?Calm down Kanye lol
Looks like they retired the toxotranny and brought a different kind of shill, he probably got banned for all the avatarfaggotry. This one acts overly emotional and massreplies.
>SKGfags be like...
737222004Shill confirmed, he wont denounce.Means he is either on a payroll and cant comment on religion or fears his gods vengeance.Do not engage further, as i already stated, he gets PAID(you satisfied pajeet?) for engagement, (You)s.Just denounce Vishnu, Krishna and the Thalmud, i dont want your kids to starv over a discussion about artistic integrity, you need those (You)s bro.
737222430I mean that WOULD BE an acceptable solution, one of many
>>737222179Exactly :*
>>737222486Middleware licensing says otherwise.
>>737222587>games made after SKG goes into effect use middleware with licenses that are compatible with it>middleware devs that refuse die out from not being usedIt's that simple.
737222587Just build it differently, OR, replace the license with an alternative??? Ffs this shit is like if McDonald's panicked and shit themselves because Heinz refused to supply them ketchup...Just get an alternative.
>>737222704You're gonna have to wait for The Crew Classic release in 2030 on The Crew Unlimited private server.
737222729I can literally play the crew RIGHT NOW because modders fixed it with legendary effort.
>Games powered by Game Spy>Can still be played long after distributionWhy don't more companies use this licensing?
>>737222764You mean the MMO was preserved by the reverse engineered release in 2023 and you faggots are bitching about the crew being "kill" because?
>>737215405>don't worry Joao, we know your laptop from 2011 is total dogshit and can't run the textures in our game well, which is why we'll stream them to you over your even slower, inconsistent internet prone to dropping every 3s instead
>>737178813All this shit is a public front for more vidya regulation.
>>737222839Because in accordance with the letter of the law, it is illegal to revive a dead game into a playable state.
>>737222839Because it is in a legal grey area.
>>737222729>nooo you can't make it apply to old games that's not fair to devs>nooooo also you can't expect it to not be retroactive forever
737222839Because it TOOK reverse engineering.I'm guessing you have literally no idea how difficult a task like that is for an OUTSIDER to do, but the devs could do it in a few days easily.
>>737218627are all 5 people who responded to this autistic, or have some other kind of brain defect rendering them incapable of detecting sarcasm? this isn't even pretending to be retarded, people are replying to a guy saying "2+2=3" with "wow, this guy's fucking retarded"
>>737217509imagine writing thisnay, imagine reading this
>>737222896>>737222898Reverse engineering is not illegal btw. These fan devs can release the source code at any time and it can't get DMCA'd.>>737222953Ain't no one wasting time and resources on retrofitting a game's server so it's eligible for distribution. >>737222957>I'm guessing you have literally no idea how difficult a task like that is for an OUTSIDER
>>737222957What I meant to say is that you're retard and that reverse engineering is literally making the whole server stack from scratch.
>>737223010It is, because the licensing does not permit third party tampering with the product. It's why such projects get C&D'd all the time.
737223010Yes.Imagine you have a schematic for a device. How hard is it to build. Pretty easy.Now imagine you don't.
>>737178959Anime wouldn't have been popular hadn't the episodes and manga available for free.It is free advertisement
>>737222972It is even funnier because it is a copypaste and it collects answers VERY TIME
>>737220775a small amount of paid shills but a majority are clearly shitpostersSKG is good and I hope it accomplishes great things, but people in the threads will respond to the most obvious "bait" imaginable45 replies every time somebody says the word "commie" as if it hasn't been used in every single thread
>>737223071Reverse engineering isn't illegal because you're literally writing new code to interpret how a server functions by using the exposed client api. Go on github now and see:https://github.com/TrinityCore/TrinityCorehttps://github.com/azerothcore/azerothcore-wotlk>>737223103Stop with the reddit no (You)s, you retarded brownoid.
>>737222972>>737223112sarcasm doesn't carry over text and there's a strong chance these threads will be used as evidence by someone in a position to do damage to this movement
>>737223152>no (You)
>>737223174>sarcasm doesn't carry over textit does if you've spent 1 year on the internet and don't have a mental disability>and there's a strong chance these threads will be used as evidence by someone in a position to do damage to this movementyou think politicians and corporations are going to use inane, bad-faith arguments easily countered by SKG's own FAQ or just existing EU law?I hope I'm not falling for sarcasm here myself or I'm really gonna look dumb
>>737223152Trolling used to mean something back in the day.
>>737223312>it does if you've spent 1 year on the internetsarcasm depends on intent and delivery, there is no delivery in text and i can't know the intent of a random anon, especially in a thread filled with corpo shillbots
>>737223174Look, if the suposed opponents of SKG argue like a retard, it only helps our case.What post coud this fucking dravidian scum use to discredit the movement?The lowkey indian hate?Lol, look around you.We come to 4 chan to shitpost and for the b4ntz.As if anyone woud care.
>>737223312>arguments easily countered by SKG's own FAQThe SKG faq is vague faggotry. They don't even have a repo for the alternatives solutions to the middleware problem that is hindering preservation. Not even a single pointer to popular server emulators that can be used as reference points. It's just demands, virtue signaling and word salads without any merit. Zero (0) plans, Zero (0) solutions.>>737223329So you've got nothing to offer, just endless bitching and interjections?
>>737223569>They don't even have a repo for the alternatives solutions to the middleware problem that is hindering preservation. Not even a single pointer to popular server emulators that can be used as reference points.literally not their job
>>737223569There's no reason to take you seriously, when servers using these emulators right now are being sent C&D's by blizzard.
>>737223569It's up to the devs to figure out. Indie devs can do it, and it's apparently not that hard for AAA games either when:>SimCity 2013 ("literally impossible to implement an offline mode!!!11!!")>WoW>The Crew>ConcordWere all figured out by fans with no access to the source code.
>>737222397>SAAAR SAAAAR MY AI I MEAN ME REPEATEDLY NOT >>>MY QUOTES IS INTERNRTIONAL SARR YU ARE OF JEW AND OR INDIAN SAAAAR CURSE OF JESUS CHRIST ON YOU SAAAAAAAAARNow give a single AAA game worth a damn, let alone worth preserving, that came out in the past 15 years
>>737223621>literally not their jobSubhuman retard.>>737223631>he's mixing reverse engineering and illegal server hosting togetherlol, lmao even.>>737223668>>SimCity 2013 Cracked and archived.>>WoW>>The CrewServer stacks reverse engineered from scratch.
>>737223727Not my problem. Figure it out, wagie. Installing seat belts in cars too difficult for you too?
>>737223727not their job, retard
>>737223757>Not my problem.It literally is nigger, that's why you're bitching but for some reason can't come up with a single solution after 2 years.>>737223776>not their job, retardIt literally is.
>>737223727These games cannot be played unless you host a server. That violates the licensing. The only subhuman here is you, recycling year old talking points. It is not the job of the citizens of the European Union to propose solutions and legislation. The government will be the one hiring lawyers and experts to meet the demands of the initiative, because that is what the citizens of the European Union want and their demands will be met, because unlike in whatever shithole you crawled out of ,Europe still enables its citizens to utilize political processes to make their wishes heard.
737223789You want skg to take up dev work too?This is a simple swap, not EVERY SINGLE FEATURE needs to necessarily work exactly the same, and I'm sure new companies will pop up specializing in these fixes.This really isn't as hard as you think. Plenty already have done it.
>>737223832>These games cannot be played unless you host a server.Ain't nothing stopping you from compiling an available server emulator and playing on localhost. That's the "in any state" argument btw.
>>737223869Sorry dipshit, but you're gonna have to wait for the classic release of your baby's first ubishit mmo. "Not retroactive" btw.
i think improving consumer rights is an objective good, actually
>>737223832>European Union>Follows the wishes of the people>Specifically the millions of sand niggers it imports to rape the goy into submissionYou could also just... Not buy these games, call me crazy.
>>737223875It should not demand a decade of reverse engineering by fans to have a chance to do it. These emulators were not created overnight. And it is not possible for every game either, some games had been eradicated entirely without any ability to revive them because the server stack is unattainable. For WoW it was possible because of internal leaks in the first place, which also is a very illegal thing to do. You are too ignorant to be a part of this conversation.
>>737223967>millions of sand niggersYou should not speak so harshly about your fellow countrymen, gujarati.
>>737223875>Ain't nothing stopping you from hitting your John Deere with hammers until it works. That's the "in any state" argument btw.
>>737223971>shoulda>some games had been eradicated entirely without any ability to revive them because the server stack is unattainableMMO server emulator server stacks are no attainable, they're made from scratch. >>737224024>amerishitskin goes directly to terrorism
>>737224052>retard doesn't know what John Deere islmao you are an actual indian, aren't you
>>737224052>>737224074KEK i was trying to figure out how the hell he got "terrorism" from my post
>>737224074Yeah bro, smash your tractor or your local tractor dealership with a hammer. That will fix it.
>>737224098He thought you were referring to assaulting a man named John Deere, because his name is Rajesh Visajeet from Araria.>>737224119Beating your own tractor with a hammer is not terrorism, you can stop the damage control now. You've outed yourself.
>>737224167Smashing your own tractor means that you're a knuckle dragging nigger. Smashing your local tractor dealership is terrorism.
>>737224205Your IQ is too low to even understand the purpose of the analogy used, take your izzat loss and leave the thread you retarded jeetcattle.
>>737224205all these posts yet you still haven't realised i'm drawing a connection between right to repair and right to play
>>737224228Shut up you retarded amerinigger ape.
>>737224256>SAAAAAAAAAR DO NOT HIT THE TRACTOR SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>737224013Calm down Muhammad. Its just a video game, not a drawing of your prophet, as in god, not profit as in what Ross is making despite grifting hes totally poor now despite the fact he can afford a new house but not a haircut or hair transplants.
>>737224250Who is stopping you from compiling a server emulator and playing an mmo on localhost?>>737224276Yeah don't, you stupid shitskin.
>>737224052I'll give you a (you) just because you made me laugh out loud saying fixing a vehicle is terrorism. Legit made me laugh.
>>737224287>playing an mmo on localhostlmao
>>737178813>Think about it. With all the threads popping up about "Concords". Do you really think forcing these games to stay up and siphon millions of dollars per year is a good idea?you should follow your own advice because you've clearly done exactly NO thinking about anything at all
Bros i will make a screencap with the indian, someone wants to get inside?
>gujarati is too stupid to comprehend basic parallels and has to resort to deflection to save faceI bet the faggot doesn't even know why John Deere was invoked, he will now use his ai assistant to educate himself about it and larp as an expert.
>>737224314Yes, that's the "any playable state" SKG argument being fulfilled.
Why don't we give up, pardner?
>>737224375that wouldn't be a valid state for a game in the massively multiplayer genre
>>737224373Hit the tractor's engine block with a hammer, it will work. Just trust, you fucking nigger.>>737224418It would because the game would be playable instead of a login screen.
>he's doubling down
>>737224440yeah the way destiny 2's sunsetted campaigns are playable
>>737224470Yeah I am. Problem, brownoid?
>>737224480It's your problem that you can't do group content. Do you want new development to introduce bots, etc.? At that point you can just wait for the classic rerelase of the mmo or play a private server hosted in some random shithole instead.
>SAAAR I AM WHITE SAAR I KNOW TRACTOR AND SERVER SAAAR
>>737224470He must of learned it from a certain roach ice mage we all know.
>>737224536>or play a private serverhmmmmm i think you might be retarded and are not mentally capable of understanding what SKG proposes
>>737224557I wonder if he'll show his face in the next thread after such a loss of izzat.
>>737224570It proposed archiving games in any playable state. Maybe read the FAQ or listen to what your leader says?
>>737224609the very first thing an MMO does after moving past the menu screen is attempt to connect to a server, it's a fundamental mechanism of the genreregardless i will be supporting SKG because even if it somehow manages to not properly handle MMOs it's still a step in the right directioncope bootlicker
>>737224716Grouping with other players not being available because the game is on localhost doesn't make the game unplayable. You're dumb.
>>737224609nta but weren't MMOs exempt for the most part because they are upfront about paying for a sub to access the game? I thought this whole thing only really applied to one time purchase GaaS always online titles, like The Crew. I haven't really kept up with the initiative outside of when Ross first got the ball rolling
>>737224775if local host is fine then remote host is fine tooregardless, still supporting SKG
>>737224781>nta but weren't MMOs exempt for the most part because they are upfront about paying for a sub to access the game?Well the leader is still bitching about the crew even though the game is already archived and playable, so no.
>>737224814Except the problem is the Crew was a one time purchase, not a subscription.Holy shit these talking points were done a year ago.
>>737224860>FAQ archive.is/fLx0TThe Crew is a license. Go read articles like https://archive.is/ZC43r
>>737178959Promo's good
>>737224781You are thinking subscription. So wow gets a pass, black desert doesn't (i assume black desert isn't subscription. I don't play mmo)
>>737224937oh sweet 500 players sounds like a lot more than 1 person on localhostSKG is based :)
>>737224937And the whole point of SKG is pointing out how bullshit that is since physical media are also licenses (Read the warning screen at the start of one) but can't be insta-deleted like digital goods.
>>737224975>You are thinking subscription>nta but weren't MMOs exempt for the most part because they are upfront about paying for a sub to access the game?>paying for a subdid you think I was talking about the sandwich, or navy vessel?
>>737225005Ross had even gone as far as to point out that today even physical media can be "deleted" and owning software on a Bluray or a DVD does not protect you from destruction of games, because the games on discs are often incomplete, requiring additional online patching or online connectivity to authenticate and be accessed.
>>737225001But SKG is advocating for localhost? You're just retarded.>>737225005The whole point of SKG is archiving games as a service in any playable state to preserve them.
>>737225008My bad. I think the shill spam fatigued my brain so bad I misread.
>>737225087Ross is dumb because the crew is a service, the disk is the client installation medium and the key is the license.
>>737225110okstill supporting SKG because it's based :)
>>737225146Kill yourself gujarati shitskin.
>>737225087yep, funniest example of this is Destiny 2 where an early bundle with like the first two expacs is a disc that contains literally nothing playable on it because bungie vaulted all of that content already
>>737225146My copy of War of the Worlds is also a licensed copy of HG Wells' work.Doesn't mean it can or should be deleted from my position.
>>737225153More like virtue signaling r*ddit and d*scord cringe >>737220684>>737225176Stop projecting brownoid.
>>737225201Never played Destiny, but that's pretty absurd. Not much of a point in a physical disc at all in that case.
>>737225212You don't know what a difference between a server and a client is. There is nothing stopping you from installing a client, booting up the client and staring at the login screen.
>>737225213But I'm not brown. You are.
>>737225153Skg would, probably, try to include some kind multiplayer. Like imagine if they sold tf2 single player... playable...? Not really.Speculation has been that if its close enough, some features being stripped is ok. So imagine hell divers, no events, no raids, no community objective ect, but you can pick a mission... close enough.
>>737225301You are brown.
>>737225251Fun fact with that: There was a person that was suing Bungie for copyright infringement and since they "vaulted" the supposed infringing work, they had no actual proof that their work was original. The only thing they brought to the court was videos of said content, which was rejected.
>>737225319Care to authenticate your whiteness with a handshake :^)
>>737179781>ok we'll look into this initiative>wait so why are you calling games ''services'' while selling them as goods?>why do you ask for a initial 80$ price for a ''service''>why does this service come on a disk or require a download>why isnt your service working properly when you offer it? why does it need tons of fixes on release>why dont you offer proper customer support and refunds on your service?>speaking of services, the way this service looks looks a awful lot like gambling>why arnt you following gambling laws?and so on and so onUbisoft (and every other publisher) have been riding a very thin line in selling videogames as goods but reaping all the benefits of providing a service, SKG is going to force them to define what the product is and what standards its supposed to upholdthey are deadly afraid and will try and do anything to discredit the movement, dont be surprised if the articles about trannies recieving death threats from SKG start appearing
>>737225340I ain't touching you with a 10ft pole, shitskin.
>>737225370Post your hand, gujarati.
>>737225315i wouldn't describe that as "close enough", it's like stripping half the tracks off an album or key scenes from a film
>>737225383Fuck off brownoid.
>>737225407What's wrong, afraid you'll expose yourself, Visajeet?
>>737225251destiny 2 is legit insane, Bungie will actively remove content and expacs people paid for, while introducing new content to pay for that replaces it instead. I dunno if they still do this but they'd charge you for seasons in the game too. never before have I ever witnessed a game charge people for so much content that they can and will remove while the game is still live. Destiny 2 players are legit the most cucked playerbase of any videogame ever made
>>737225391I would agree, and want more, but I'd accept that over a bricked game you know?
>>737225424Only shitskins post identifiable information on imageboards. That's why (You) niggers post your brown hands and pretend that you're "passing".
>>737225315ideally in the case of HD2 tools to set up community objectives would be included with the server software, but yeah it isn't a given.
>>737225442I've heard bad things about Bungie, but that sounds like a mess and room for false advertising too, especially if game previews on the store page show content that had been vaulted since then. It'd be hard to handwave it with "Game experience may change during online play" disclaimer, when you buy a game and get things that are completely different from what's shown.
>>737178813the Japanese response to being forced by law to allow an offline version or way for players to host their own servers is basically "the game isn't designed for that"
>>737225778Can't take the india out of the jeet. Sorry nigger.
>>737179409they lose out on potential, which is unquantifiable
>>737179545>it's okay when I force people but not you
>>737225807It certainly can't be taken out of you seeing how you've resorted to deflecting and waiting for the thread to archive.
>>737180117>I can just make laws that make things happens
>>737225872You done brownoid?
I'm saving this thread as a pdf, the same whole "don't repair your tractor or its terrorism" is hilarious.
>>737225893Not until you prove you aren't brown. I'm waiting. And I'll make sure to remind you of it, if I catch you in any other thread posting your pajeet babbling about middleware and what SKG stated goals supposedly are.
the only half way decent approach would be to ask a compnay to release the code that handles server side operations so that once it's dead fans can use that to reverse engineer a server if they're nerdy enough so they don't have to reverse engineer assembly
>>737185627a decade of gamer comics and it's consequences
>>737225983Don't need code, a compiled executable and documentation for dependencies, if there are any should be sufficient.
>>737225951Smashing a local dealership is terrorism, smashing your nigger tractor with a hammer is being a knuckle dragging nigger.>>737225967You are.
>>737225783well yeah, the whole point of the movement is to make so going forward, the games ARE designed for that. it isn't retroactive afterall, but if you make it so the games are designed with a community host or offline mode in mind for the long run, transitioning to that EoS state would be much smoother.
>>737226026But I'm not, rajeesh. Or maybe you aren't a jeet, maybe you're a jew. That's even worse.
>>737226023well it could be either, whatever is easier for the company
>>737226061You are. That's why your post have zero (0) value and you're just virtue signaling and bitching about other shitskins because you're totally not like them.
>>737226026Are you just copying and pasting? And nobody meant smashing up a dealership.They meant smacking the tractor. Which itself was a joke.
>>737226164I don't give a shit about your nigger tractor. Maybe ask that kike Rossman to fix it instead of smashing the engine block with a hammer like a nigger.
>>737226204you type like a child who has discovered the word nigger for the first time
>>737226338How is a motocultivator or a tractor my problem exactly, faggot nigger?
>>737226160I'm calling you a shitskin because you've proven yourself incapable of understanding basic, casually spoken English and when confronted with your failings earlier, you began to deflect with Musllim migration into Europe, spoken about in third person, which exposes you as non-European, but you simultaneously spoke about Americans with absolute disdain. That narrows it down to but a handful of things (Get it? Handful?) So which is it? A jeet or a kike?
>>737226356>he doesn't know about the john deere right to repair stuffwas probably before your time eh kiddo?
>>737207982>>737208090Fuck, I watched it once already, I don't really want to watch one hour of it again to know what I missed
>>737226372No I didn't you retarded shitskin redditor. Anyone can reply to you on an imageboard in any order. It's not my problem that you can't decipher between posting styles or that you don't understand how a reply chain works.>>737226417So how is the kike automotive industry related to how servers and clients in games as services function?
>>737226460You just keep digging that hole deeper and it gets worse for you with every subsequent post, it's really hilarious.
>>737226494Go enslave yourself a nigger so you farm equipment could last longer. I don't give a shit about your fucking tractor.
737226460Because it relates to customers losing more and more rights??And you DO know some hitting their own tractor isn't terrorism right?Because why else would you call it terrorism???
>>737226460>how is a company forcing you to use their services or buy a new thing because they no longer support the old thing the same as a company forcing you to use their service or buy a new thing because they no longer support the old thingreal head scratcher here. the world will never know, a mystery for the ages and so on.
Ross needs to set aside his rickshaw, we need to get him a tractor.
>>737226529>>737226538Are you shitskins renting your tractors or something? Do you not understand what a fucking license or a service is?
>>737214869>demanding developers support the release of video game services until the fucking heat death of the fucking universeLies, post discarded
Perpetual licenses are good.Licenses that include terms like "any or no reason" is bullshit.
>>737226578how much is ubisoft paying per post anon?
>>737226653When a game closes it's servers, it doesn't mean that the client is faulty. It doesn't mean that the client api isn't exposed either so you can make your own servers either. Fuck you and your ubishit mmo.
>>737226678planned obsolescence is bad. please sub to my blog for more flaming hot takes such as this
>tags: mind_break
>>737226717>you can't just sell a service because... you just can'tFuck your tractor, nigger.
>>737226727Perhaps it reminds them of trains?
>>737226756you call others nigger yet you're the one chimping out the hardest. you're embarrassing your masters, surely you could do a better job defending them.
Tractors were once upon a time based.
>>737226806It's possible, if the tractor is large enough and goes fast. They might be compelled to throw themselves in front of the giant.
>>737216660>Name a single fucking AAA game,> worth "preserving">There were enough games released between 95-2000So if it's old game it's ok to preserve them but if it's new one it's not? Just because of the date? or because you claim player should be forced to buy new game when asked by corpo?What a disingenuous liar.I almost hope you are a poor China trollfarm using AI and not a contrarian dumbass posting that bullshit knowingly. That would be pathetic.
>>737226727tags: sub80_iq ameritrash pajeet wearing_a_cowboy_hat h1b riding_a_tractor>>737226815You don't understand what a client or a server is. Get the fuck off my screen, nigger.
>>737226854He's a babel media jeet shill getting mind broken by a large metal beast.
>>737226868>no uwow we got us a titan of wit here. truly groundbreaking stuff, what other amazing pieces of banter shall we get from this attention starved social malcontent?
>>737226987The fucking spic that gave you a job should've put you in chains and made you plow the fields with your bare hands instead of giving you a tractor that you smash with your little hammer.
>>737227061You are so fucking mad, kek.
737227061Lmao hes STILL on about the tractor. He doesn't have any clue at all
>>737227061if I pull your string some more will you say more things or have you already said all your lines
>>737227115>>737227153How does it feel to be lower than a nigger because even niggers aren't plowing the fields anymore?
>>737227225how does it feel to behave the same way as the object of your obsession?
>>737227225I wouldn't know, I'm not the one being mind broken by a tractor. You're upset they replaced you?
>>737227259>>737227261Your name is Toby, boy.
>>737227261This is now a tractor thread
>>737226924I'll point out that if the troll goal was to turn the discussion away from rational reasoning into a shitstorm with racial insult, to discredit SKG as a movement, a lot of people here walked into the trap like cow into a chute.Propaganda and social engineering don't need to look smarter than you, it just need to lower the level until whatever corpo want look better.
>>737227620It's 4chan.Who the fuck equates random anons to a movement that didn't even start here?
We need a drawing of Ross driving one. Tractors clearly repel shills.>>737227620Look better than what, a 4chan shitpost thread? That's not exactly an argument against the initiative.
>>737227707>a 4chan shitpost threadStop shitting in the street, you disgusting, tractor driving, field plowing jeet animal.
No more middleware arguments and circular logic? For shame. It's personal now, isn't it? Now every time you'll see a tractor you will recall this humiliation.
>>737227797>No more middleware arguments and circular logic?You've been smearing your feces throughout the thread, so technical discussion is impossible. Fuck your trannycored, your r*eddit and your tractor, skjeet.
Wroom wrroom, the bane of shills and corporate bootlickers, the machine of progress and wealth. Make way for the tractor.
>>737227912Shitskin.
>>737227923Here's a gift that you can admire, that will never be yours. No tractor can bring it to you, no field will yield this harvest and no license will grant such a boon.Being white Ta-ta, Shivansh.
>>737227912I think I figured out why they fear tractors.https://www.npr.org/2022/10/02/1126453928/india-deaths-tractor-wagon-overturns
>>737228043>palmCuz I'm white on the bottom of the feet.
