Based EU
>>737178857Is that really how harsh it is? Can they not just release server toolkits and say fuck off to the communities?
>>737179048That's a lost art. Literally impossible Sorry
>>737178857>Sorry, you cannot purchase this shitty mobile game in the EU anymore, because your government won't allow us to shut down the servers after we have taken your money.Based. Nobody needs this slop.
>>737178857still find it funny how 99% of the people covering this still have no idea what it's even proposing.You don't need to keep the servers up, you just need to allow for the consumers to host their own, and to stop sending cease and desists on them for doing so
>>737178857I see whatever permutation this takes as an absolute win>we get private servers again>game companies fuck off forever and stop making slopEither way I'm smiling
>>737181348>implying the almighty corporations won't find a way to fuck consumers even harderThe will of Lord Moloch cannot be defied. Endless greed WILL destroy the world. It is destiny.
>>737181348>I see whatever permutation this takes as an absolute winThis. Even in the worst (best) case scenario where it "kills all of gaming", we can finally go back to an era where we primarily get games made by small groups of enthusiastic devs working on a passion project together.
>>737178857
imagine if the eu manages to kill gaas
>>737179048>Is that really how harsh it is?Of course not, that image is a joke
>>737181585did you seriously screencap your own strawman that doesn't even make sense and now post it as some sort of a epic "LOOK THIS IS HOW SILLY YOU LOOK" gotcha?
>>737181585Nigger, I didn't pay to go to the bar.
>>737178857>Based EUIf they were based they woudn't have a flag like that.Acts 7:43 KJVYea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
737181585This is bait so bad it will amass hundreds of replies
>>737178857So, the finger had curled.What's the catch?
>>737181839Fuck off back to street preaching useless fucking christcuck
>>737181585Shouldn't have sold me an implied lifetime subscription in that case. Maybe you should have instead sold for a fixed term or as a subscription service. Sounds like your problem either way.
>>737181585I just hope they're paying you because this is unironically the most monkey-brain retarded take I ever read. Good job.
>>737179048>Is that really how harsh it is?it is, and thats just for the second offense>first offense is a warning>second offense is jail time>third offense the the EU parliament comes to your house, rapes and murders your whole family, then puts you in a giant hamster wheel so that you have to personally power the servers that host the game for the rest of your life
>>737178857These paid shills are getting more obvious
>>737179048>Is that really how harsh it is?No, that's just what people opposing SKG tend to think>Can they not just release server toolkits and say fuck off to the communities?Something akin to that, or just make the game function offline as single player.
>>737179048>Is that really how harsh it is? Of course, that image is 100% serious
>>737181925Atleast he doesn't worship cow shit, pajeet
>>737181585Based. The bootlickers have no argument against this
>>737182073At least I've got something in common with that fag then, cuckboy
>>737179564If you hinder the profits of games like mobile simpsons slop, you get less games like mobile simpsons slop.
>>737181914SKG goes through but so does every draconian digital ID law after it
>>737179048That's literally what they're asking for, or allow the users to reverse engineer the server binaries without them being brought to court for some bullshit reason.
>>737181839Lord Moloch WILL permanently ruin the entire cosmos out of sheer spite.
>>737181585>this is how zoomers actually view the world>the very idea of "ownership" is alien to them>literally all their possessions can be stripped away at the whim of a corpo and they see no problem with this
>>737182073They got that doctrine from the same entities.
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>>737178857Hopefully its enforced upon IOI so that they can never shut off their Always Online Hitman games.Always Online games must never go offline.This specific business model for singleplayer games is absolute bullshit and how people can defend it knowing that this specific model actually exists makes me sick.
>>737182249people are products formed by their environment, blame the master not the slave
>>737178857>over a million views from normies in under 24 hourshe has unironically made a difference
>>737179048Not yet, but we will influence the EU into making it that harsh alhamdulillah
>>737181585As a millennial bars, restaurants, and stores that I enjoy and spend my money at shutting down is just a part of life. Hell, the neighborhood grocery store just shut down for no reason. The owner was old and didn't want to manage it anymore. They also didn't want to bother to sell it either. Fuck the community, right?
>>737179048I think the true reality is that if you are a company that decides to close down your game, a game that requires to be always online (meaning that you are fucked if you bought your game and can play it no more) your game deserves to go open source, and people can create their own private servers with it, all under the guise of "preservation".The problem with bitchfaggot gaming companies is that they want to decide when to close the doors for their online games, and hoard upon it like a fucking greedy dragon where NOBODY can do anything with it, and it stays locked in a vault for all time. The devs who made the private server for City of Heroes had to go through trouble with the niggers at NCSoft until NCSoft realized it would look bad on them and their image, and decided to just hand over a license after 5 years of trying to shut it down.
>>737182153>>737182286What is wrong with jeets?
Reminder that industry Jews "anonymously" sent false reports to the EU to get SKG disqualified
>>737182510I don't know nor do I care, but if a jeet started posting off-topic bullshit featuring his shitsmeared gods, telling everyone to start believing in them or burn for all eternity I'd tell them to fuck off like the christcuck preacher itt
>>737178857just make it so it can be played without connecting faggot
>>737182580Fat load of good that did them, kek
>>737182505>go open sourceStop speaking retard. People host their own private servers for tons of games already and none of them are open source
>>737182510They are deceived.
>>737182596But you are a seething pajeet ranting about Christians
>>737178857That is unbelievably based. Finally EU is good for something.
>>737178857>Make update to game so it can support offline and/or community servers.>Which games supported just 8 years ago.Wow, extremee....
>>737182617>>737182678Calm down OP
>>737182656I'm telling two losers who converted last week because they didn't have date for prom to fuck off
>>737179048Are you retarded?
>>737181585That's not how it works, if you watch the video bro stated it. It's as if you bought a movie/book and then the author said 'fuck you' and erased all movie sources including the ones you own.Basically recalling all ownership of what's yours.Mind as well pirate everything since nothing is yours.
>>737179048>Can they not just release server toolkits [...]?That's literally what SKG has been trying to make them do. The OP image is a joke.
>>737182353>blame the master not the slaveI used to think that, but everything that's happened in the past decade has convinced me that the gems are right. People are cattle and they deserve to be treated as such.
>>737182602That's the whole plan. Devs would have to provide a way for people to play the game after EOS as long as it's not initially specified to be a temporary thing. They'd have to choose between>Releasing server binaries>Releasing a patch to allow offline accessor>Providing an easily accessible method for players to host their own sessions such as patching in a LAN option for an online game making it independent of a central server
>>737182032maybe i'm misremembering but my impression was that it's even less stringent than thati thought the aim was to either have a game with some permanent playability after the game goes offline OR to clearly state that servers will only stay up until date zz/yy/20XX when it launches so consumers can make an informed decision when purchasing
>>737181585>thinking a post getting 4 replies is screenshot-worthylmao
>>737181585i think you mean>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE BUFFET IS CLOSED WHEN THE COOKS ARE OFF SHIFT>I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO EAT EVERY DAY FOREVER
>>737182353>blame the master not the slave>the slave stole my bikeYes, but no. I mean, the person who complains is a consumer himself, so in a way the consumers follows his words. Yeah blame the consumer, but also you've got to tolerate what the consumer demands.
>>737182873It's a funny post how could I not screenshot it I was pissing myself laughing reading that along with the pic related. I was like pic relate when I read it for the first time ain't no way i'm ignoring that
>>737182624Yes. And most of those get cancelled anywaysl because of them being still illegal.What SKG is aiming for is to ensure theres always a way for people to play those games, and to ensure the devs provide that way no matter what.
>>737182964>food analogy
Mutts really are obese if misrepresenting food analogies is the only way they can even attempt to process this topic
>>737181585>I AM SILLYContrarian ragebaiters scraping the bottom of the glass at this point.
>>737182832The ultimate best way to do things would be to simply have the fucking LAN functionality baked in from the start, and it simply gets toggled on permanently when it's time to do the final patch.Splitgate 1 could do it, and I thank them for it (SG2 is trash, but 1 was pretty good actually).
>>737182596Who hurt you?
>>737183048>>737183046Trannies are seething lol
>>737181348In reality it will go like this>hey anon provide your real ID to access these dangerous online gamestehe-he!
>>737182325Lord Moloch is the only god, because He ate all of the others.
>>737183046that was the joke
One aspect I found interesting is that the MEPs or someone was bringing up that changing your EULA after the product was sold might also be a no-no.Which would be also another mega win.
>>737181585>hey this online game came out>can I host my own servers on it?>no>okay I won't buy itIt really is that simple.
Next they need to increment the scope to mean that you're specifically entitled to possess the version of the game you purchased, so that Steam will be required to disable forced updates, or games that change their content drastically(like song licenses expiring triggering an update that removes music from the game, for example) can't nuke the previous versions.
>>737181348Everything will switch to monthly subscriptions so you never actually own the game, only a monthly license to play that they can remove from sale.
>>737183126>>737183505This is fine too
>>737183395>so that Steam will be required to disable forced updatesSteam already does this, at least to a degree from what I understand. Sure it is an opt out toggle but that is to be expected from such a feature.
>>737182434Its nice to see that a balding, weird, autistic dude can make a difference as long as his heart is in the right place.
>>737183281I think they've been doing that since forever kek>we wrote in the EULA that we can change the rules whenever we please
>>737179048No, they'll just use it as another excuse to impose monetary fines on foreign companies. The EU loves to squeeze out a few hundred million every now and then out of major companies using some random law as an excuse.
>>737183559>purchase product>has to accept the EULA otherwise you can't make an account to play the game>EULA states they can fuck you at any timehonestly no clue how it's not illegal
>>737183659You can refuse the EULA and return the product.
>>737183064Obviously, 100% of online games have some sort of LAN client for internal testing the developers could publish. That would be enough to be SKG compliant.
In the end, we all own nothing. All hardware will fail eventually.>hard drives fail because of the moving parts>they finally invent storage with no moving parts, wow amazing>turns out it still destroys itself through regular useEverything is shit. I hate everything.>inb4 "but SSDs are good now, they last a long time"I don't care. They still self-destruct no matter how slowly they do it.But as for the topic at hand, good. Software acquired with a one-time purchase should remain functional indefinitely no matter what the publisher puts in the license agreement that nobody reads.
>>737183559They have, yeah.Man, this might just end up coming to collect on all the shitty practices the gaming industry has been doing and only because they couldn't be assed to provide a way to play your game at EoL KEK.
>>737181585>food analogy
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I like the retarded argument game server are made for specific hardware so it is impossible to release them. Like bro thats not how this works
I watched the whole thing. There was a lot of congratulating but what happens next? Will they pass any laws?
>>737181585Comparing an experience + consumables to a product that you purchase, well done.Now here is a better comparison:You go to the cinema and enjoy movies. If the cinema closes, people aren't demanding their money back or keep it alive forever, because they paid to watch a movie.BUT if you buy a bluray and they want to take it from you, YOUR product, that you legally purchased, you would be mad.I know, the case for digital media is a different story, especially for digital games and movies, because there are cases where they take away your LICENSE. And I hope they take care of those greedy fuckers as well.
>>737183659>I have altered the deal, pray I do not alter it any further.
>>737181585>I can't make my own posts because I'm a brown phone poster so I use pictures instead
I don't fully understand, what happens with gacha games? Like, they are free to play, you don't actually buy the game. You can spend money in the game but you never really buy the actual right to play. Wouldn't this make everyone just change into the gacha model just to avoid doing this preservation stuff?
>>737183948Seems they'll discuss what form it should take if it should at all and if it should be a new law on its on or be added to another one like the digital fairness act.The press conference after cited that the gaming companies lobby was already trying to go after it, so people need to keep talking to their MEPs about it.
>>737184198It includes if you paid for anything inside of a game because you need to access the thing you bought.
>>737183528Nope, all that is is a choice of "update immediately" or "wait until scheduled update time". You're required to specify at least one hour of the day that Steam will begin automatically updating your software, and it won't launch games that it has an update for until you do so. There's a tool that will alter all your installed game ref files to make Steam think the game is up to date, but this goes poof as soon as it decides to re-check them. There are dev commands in the console(which you can't access by default) which will let you downgrade, IF you know the exact ID of that update, and non-permanent settings you can enter to launch while an update is pending, but these are not accessible to the layperson.
>>737184198Gacha should be illegal. Make a real game or fuck off.
>>737181585>buy a lifetime licence that you cant enter the bar>bar gets shut down after 2 years>money stolen
>>737184185What's with overhate with phones? Serious answers only >No ESL>World turds>Zoomers
>>737184314I see. Does it include subscription models as well? Because I'm sure they will try to do anything else except preserve the games.
>Never go to Europe>Never go to jail wow!
>>737183659And there's the next shoe to drop; actually answering the question of whether EULAs or ToS are binding in any capacity, instead of them being gray-area concepts cooked up by software companies to cover their asses that nobody wants to seriously examine because it'll be a shitshow.
>>737184456You think Captain Sweden cares about jurisdiction?
>>737184421Normbots.
>>737184409Games aren't "access to a place" they're "thing you own". The equivalent would be if you bought a brand themed beer keg from the bar to have at home, and then when the bar itself shuts down they send agents to your home to confiscate the beer keg from you.
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>>737184579>confiscate the beer keg from you.This means war.
I can see the other side of the argument now that I think about itIf a game goes EoS and they have to release a devkit of sorts to make a private server, they also potentially open up private servers for future games, as they likely arent gonna make an entirely new devkit from scratchNot a 1 to 1, but it would make setting up private servers for still funcitoning games a lot easier I guess, like half the reverse engineering would be done for them already
>>737183948They will lobby with the billionaires as usual and do something that will further restrict our freedoms or fuck us over in any other way.
>>737184439If the game only offers subscriptions that only give you access to the game, then likely no, since those tell you explicitly when the subscription will end.But since companies make way more money from microtransactions and even battle-passes give you stuff, the almost no cost to provide an EoL build is a much better option than to give up on the massive amount of money they make from microtransactions.
>>737181585see>>737180184
>>737184579more like a keg that had a direct pipeline to the bar to serve beer from the bar directly from your home, then when the bar closes the keg stops serving beerthe normal individual understands that without a supplier the keg is useless and implicitly if the bar closes that's the deal, the SKigger drops to the floor convulsing in pure rage trying to mandate that the bar stay open forever or give its entire manufacturing chain of beer to everyone who has a kegeffectively autistic retards who lack the ability to understand social contracts, so all that'll come of this if anything is just a disclaimer in the ToS that you'll choose to not read anyway saying that the server access isn't guaranteed forever
>>737184439I take this to mean that not only will they be required to offer private servers on shutdown, they'll be required to offer local single-player instance software to everyone the instant money changes hands.
>>737183505That mean's they'll have to be upfront about it or get fined to oblivion. I'm okay with that, because it means no one will buy the games and the industry will get the collapse it desperately needs.
>>737184804Except this would be allowing users to put their own beer in, rather than demand the pipeline stays open and flowingBecause currently that shit is sealed tight
>>737184826BEAT americans
I wonder what will happen to online only games like Hearthstone for example. Would a private server option be available in the future for them? How would card acquiring be handled?
What do people mean when they say this is going to damage games and the games industry? Like how is removing live service gonna do that?
>yuropoors celebrating forcing government oversight onto vidya while Mohammad culturally enriches their shitty nationRussia can't win soon enough
>>737184946users are already putting their own beer in (reverse engineering function signatures from client binaries to create private servers that can appropriately respond to these client calls), skiggers want SPECIFICALLY the EXACT SAME BEER the bar had served, including the recipe to produce it themselves and legal rights to all of the equipment involved
>>737184826>no argument>just vague mention that something bad will happen
>>737184994Game companies thrive on exploitation and this will kill their methods, so they send in agents to doomsayWhcih isnt all that inaccurate when you realize those companies likely will eat shit, since exploitation is all they know now
>Bro please just one one more always-online live-service.>Bro this'll be different, our game is literally redefining the genre of hero shooter survival crafting open world extraction pvpve gameplay>Bro we already spent billions on games that died within a month, we just this need this one game to literally be the most popular game ever and then we'll break even, I swear bro
>>737185163>bro I NEED to be able to play this piece of shit garbage that took 100k DEI hires 10 years to make for 5 billion dollars that was so painfully generic and bug-ridden that it lost all 500 players in the first three days and got shut down
>>737183816Well, if you wanna get really technical about it, entropy will take care of everything eventually.But regardless...>old books were lost to time>some of these old books were copied by monks/scribes/whoever so that they surviveSame thing goes today. There's a difference between the 'service' part of preservation (software, server connection, online play) and the physical part of it (storage media). The former is the publisher's responsibility, but the latter is the customers'. And it's nothing new, it would apply to any other form of media:>Company releases blu-ray disc, the customer is responsible for safe storage of said disc>Publisher releases book, customer must keep it safe, away from humidity and heat>Publisher releases physical game, customer must store it and not lose itSo back to your HDD/SSD issue... it's your responsibility to store the disks and keep them running. If said discs are starting to fail, then you must copy your games/films/docs/whatever to a new one. That's not the publisher's responsibility. No storage media is perfect, but for long term stuff, HDDs are the go-to.
>>737185069No you dont understand we need to take that equipment and recipe to the grave because...Well uhh...
>>737178857Wait really? Qrd?
>>737185253so it WOULD be better if they were disincentivized from making garbage in the first place?
>>737185257A big waste of effort postAll he wants to do is whine about entropy and how life isn't worth living because we all die anyway
Just tell the EU parliament that chuddies will make le NAZI private servers with them, corrupt 15-year-old Timster with Ukip or AfD, and it will make him think of le bad things about muzzies.We all know how histrionic Europoor elite niggers are with their beloved brownfolk, controlling everything from speech to your thoughts, and negating bad thinking to the point of ending your whole life in prison for it..
>>737181585kek, yurosissies, why can't regulate space!?
>>737183743Can you even do that in the 2 hours steam gives you? Because realistically, if that was to be fair you'd need your lawyer to go over it and analyse the implications.
>>737178857>makes americans endlessly seethe and shart the oversized circus tents they use as pantsThis alone is almost as good as tearing up corpo arse. Almost.
>>737184914>because it means no one will buy the gamesUh, yeah, sure
>>737181585more like. buy a bottle and take it to your house.bar closes a week later.barman goes to your house and steal the bottle.
>>737184994Life service bullshittery is where all the money is being made, so with less of that there will be fewer jobs. But modern corps are already gung-ho for firing everyone and replacing them with AI slop, so who gives a fuck?The other matter is SaaS, Software as a Service. Much like lifeservice games there's a lot of software that's also just rented, not owned. Login function, data backups, etc. There's a lot of businesses that are just a bunch of such software in a trench coat and companies have actually no fucking idea how to build the thing they are selling.People are concerned that they'll have to either make games without this, or somehow have to keep paying for all this shit after EoS. That fear is only justified in so far that government is old people that could completely fuck up the technical requirements of a SKG law. But with just a modicum of common sense you can just say "our server binary requires Amazon QuantumGPT v4.35" in the docs and people will take it from there.And the EU actually is fairly decent with these sorts of laws. Stuff like the cookie banners is just companies being maliciously compliant or outright ignoring the law.
>>737183659>honestly no clue how it's not illegalIt is, if you live in a 1st world country. Enforcement is an entirely separate matter, and it would require that someone actually goes to court over what is essentially pocketchange. No one wants that headache, and the publishers know and exploit this.
>>737183505Why? Just to spite the consumer?
>>737185253>>bro I NEEDNo, it's more like>bro, I deserve to keep the shit I buy
>>737184649shut up. keep making anime, manga, porn and games for me to steal.
I would like to kindly remind everyone that the shills who misrepresent what SKG is about actually know exactly what is really proposed, they build strawmen because they can't find anything to actually critizise SKG for.
>>737178857This is going to speed up Sony pulling the plug. They are going to rush to shut this down before the law takes effect.
>>737183948That was basically team Ross presenting it to the commission. Next they'll debate and decide what needs to be done, if anything. We'll get the answer to that in 3 months or less.The people present was in overwhelming favor, so expect an answer that entails something being done.
>>737184826this implies that games in the future will be so shit that the players will never move on to new things.what do you mean you want to watch terminator 1 and 2 only. don't you know you have terminator dark fate. is all about empowered women and mexicans in the border?
Unironically communism. People are literally begging for the government to control more of their lives. The next step is all games being hosted exclusively on government servers, funded by extortionate taxes, maintained by 20000 government employees who mostly just make PowerPoints about not being racist, and you need a verified government ID to play online. Next step, same thing but for single player games. Playing offline is piracy and weird pedo terrorist shit. Nobody normal does it. Same arguments people use about guns>sure you can have a bolt action rifle, but nobody needs a high capacity assault rifle!>sure you can have a media streaming device, but nobody actually needs a personal computer!
>>737181585This but unironically.
>>737185897>this implies that games in the future will be so shit that the players will never move on to new things.That's already the case
>>737178857>faggot is so obsessed with playing generic Ubi slop in 20 years he gets the EU to start directly regulating the games industrySee you retards in a few months when they start demanding tranny and muslim quotas from game devs.
The people "arguing" against this are just bored shitposters targeting the current thing right? There is no way people are this retarded
>>737178857What a shitty pointless movement, especially during a time when games need to die.
>>737185936Nice slippery slope retard, why are you against owning the games you play?
>>737185905Agreed, private ownership is gommunism to a T.
>>737185967People get pretty silly when their paycheck depends on them being silly.
>>737181585Amazing image. And you see this kind of nostalgiafagging self-centeredness with the endless "remake" slop spam. Millennials are literally mind broken eternal manchildren that cannot accept the fact they are growing old and will die like every other mammal that has ever walked this earth. An entire generation that seriously cannot accept actions have consequences, refuse accountability, exist only to gaslight everyone else while being hyperbolic, and outright deny the fact that sometimes things just end.
>>737181585>Buy thing from someone>"It's totally yours! Haha, enjoy your hard copy!">Company suddenly decides one day that they don't like the sales because you aren't whaling enough.>*break into your house and take your item*>"SHJT YOUR MOUTH AND GIVE IT BACK THIS INSTANT! IT IS NO LONGER YOURS, AND YOU WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO USE IT! YOUR MONEY STOLEN!">"B-but... what... what if I want to do something with the thing I bought...">"NOOOO!!! I WILL TAKE YOUR THING, AND I WILL SIT ON IT ON A THRONE, AND NOBODY ELSE CAN ENJOY IT BUT ME BECAUSE IT IS MY THING!!!!"
>>737186065>>SHIT YOUR MOUTH
>private ownership is communismNot even AI is this stupid who wrote this for you
>>737186050Why should I accept that one day I will day instead of fighting against that?Why should I accept that I can't keep playing a 30 year old game instead of fighting against that?
>>737185905An utter cuckold statement. A US company is not going to host the game on EU government servers. Not going to happen. What will happen is US customers will benefit from this EU ruling. That is a good thing. Its not a slippery slope, its not a sign of where things are going; this is US customers catching a break due to EU restrictions.Unless you are EU in which case you are still a cuck but yeah you guys are fucked.
>ok we'll look into this initiative>wait so why are you calling games ''services'' while selling them as goods?>why do you ask for a initial 80$ price for a ''service''>why does this service come on a disk or require a download>why isnt your service working properly when you offer it? why does it need tons of fixes on release>why dont you offer proper customer support and refunds on your service?>speaking of services, the way this service looks looks a awful lot like gambling>why arnt you following gambling laws?and so on and so onUbisoft (and every other publisher) have been riding a very thin line in selling videogames as goods but reaping all the benefits of providing a service, SKG is going to force them to define what the product is and what standards its supposed to upholdthey are deadly afraid and will try and do anything to discredit the movement, dont be surprised if the articles about trannies recieving death threats from SKG start appearing
>>737184994It means they'll have to go back to putting effort into making new games worth buying, if they want to avoid competing with their old titles. And effort costs money, which means less profit (pls think of the poor shareholders).
>>737186050This is a pretty good tactic. Try to divert the discussion to generational skubwars, maybe you can convince someone to oppose SKG to own the millennials.
>>737185821can we not catch strays in EVERY FUCKING THREAD?!
does this mean the monster hunter tri servers are coming back online? loclac city is lost to time
>>737182862We don't have anything concrete to go off of yet, but Ross clarified countless times, it's not enough to make customers aware of a shutdown date. Games would still just die that way.
>>737186289I hope they get sued into oblivion and the suits go to jail or get executed for their crimes against humanity.
>>737183505damn, guess I don't buy the license for such games thenwhat now? :^)
Good games will be preserved forever and bad games will become perpetual moneysinks that bankrupt garbage companies like Ubisoft etc. faster. You can thank your European superiors later, for now you will be dragged into the light of a brighter future against your will, amerimutts. Whether you want to or not.
>>737186065Screenshot worthy thanks anon,
>>737186371Probably not since the original initiative does not ask for retroactive application of any laws that might come out of SKG(it will apply only to games that get made after any laws are passed). It could still happen tho it is very unlikely.
>>737186336Your little game just had to tick all the little boxes of recent gaming sinsThe only way itll stop is it dying
Using the government as a cudgel to do good things is based actually.
>tfw video game companies before 2010 all went broke because players could keep playing their games after they officially stopped supporting them
>>737185163Now imagine how much money those that succeeded have to be making for the rest of the industry to crash and burn in an attempt to imitate their success.
>GaaSslop is killed>companies are practically forced to make good singleplayer games again or die>dev teams wil be scrutinized as failure can no longer be cushioned by GaaSslopIts the trial by fire, either they actually do their research and make good games or they die on the spot
>>737186630NOOOOO STOP I WANT LESS RIGHTS PLEASE THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS
Can someone give me a QRD? Why would anyone support arresting people for closing servers for dead games? I don't get the hype.
>>737186630>Good games will be preserved foreverThe Operative: No One Lives Forever
>>737178857Gamers are such entitled babies they have to go waste government time that could be spent dealing with the oil crisis, Putin, and Ronald Grump. Typical.
>>737186798>Can someone give me a QRD?Europe is going to throw game publishers into jail.
>>737186785The industry is already having a major crash. There were over 50,000 layoffs in the US alone among game development studios.
>>737186798Its a joke you chucklefuck
>>737185821>This is going to speed up Sony pulling the plug.Why? Sony can keep supporting Marathon for as long as they make profit from it and after that just release a private server so the community can keep the game alive(for free) untill they decide to capitalize on Marathon 2. The only negative i can see from a corporates perspective is if they try and cash in on a shittier game 2 that is inferior to the first. If they make a good Marathon 2, Marathon being alive and having a vibrant community would simply mean easy sales.
>>737186785>GaaSslopthe whole aaS trend is, well, ass. And I'm glad that it's slowly but surely dying. It's a scam and always was a scam:>nobody can own anything but you'll be constantly locked into a serviceJust in that alone you are guaranteed to face a scam:>beginning of high quality, bait and pull in>over time degradation of quality to tableau income
>>737186798I am literally playing a 25 year old game right at this instant.Dead is subjective.
>>737186798It's a common misconception, what the EU actually want to implement is the brutal flogging of all game developers testicles should they fail to give away their games for free.
>>737181585This but completely unironically.
>>737183505>ten Concords per weekpls no current /v/ is already unsufferable enough
>>737186880Its classic isnt itIts why gacha gives you those free starter pulls, lure you in with shinies until the sunkcost keeps you anchored in the mire of shit
>>737185967I'm serious, although I'm in agreement with SKG that game preservation and forced takedowns of private servers are real problems.I don't believe what OP, but from what I understand SKG actually is advocating for requiring businesses to design around making it easy to create a private server for their game. Of necessity this also means designing the game such that it is easy to hack or pirate, or at least spending time and money changing it to make this so even after the game has become unprofitable. I think this is an undue interference in private affairs by the government, when the simple solution to the problem would be to just deny the business the ability to enforce copyright against a private server for a product they are not currently attempting to profit from. But SKG doesn't seem to want that because it wants free shit from the government, not actual freedom.Unfortunately by imposing further regulation, the shitty AAA companies whose behavior has motivated support for SKG will gain a government-backed competitive advantage over smaller businesses who can't as easily afford to eat the cost of compliance.tl;dr:>more regulation bad if the same thing can be achieved with less regulation>more regulation favors big companies that kill games>>737185936This is a realistic concern, but I think it's something EU would consider doing even without SKG or something similar, so isn't really a reason to oppose it. They'll push for that without waiting for an excuse if they want to.
>EU currently intentionally destroying Europe>let's give them more powerthe brain power of eurogamers
>>737186798is not about servers. is actually stop the game from working. old ass games even when they have online multiplayers they didn't require official servers. your copy of quake arena or cod2 still can be played online without the need of official servers.
>>737187003Amerimutt having a melty much like certain ingredients that are banned in different countries
>>737186974All that SKG demands is that games stay playable past their EOS, either with an offline mode or the ability to make private servers, something that was the norm 2 decades ago and companies didn't go bankrupt from doing so.They even made it clear that a lot of things from those games don't need to be maintained, nobody expect shit like matchmaking or a skin shop to be functional past EOS.
>>737183948They'll make it so publishers have to specify service can shut down balls deep in the EULA after you purchase it and if they don't they'll get a slap on the wrist fine. Any rights you think you have are merely an illusion we're all products in the game of late stage capitalism.
>>737187003the EU gets two things wrong on average:>immigration>energyBut this was the fault of Germany being subverted by communist agents from the cold war who quite seriously undermined Europe's integrity by hijacking all energy initiatives, shutting down all energy initiatives, and blocking any European country from producing energy as the goal was to make Europe dependent on gazprom. The whole Nordstream project was quite literally a deal brokered by a former Stasi officer and member of the KGB. As for immigration, I simply do not understand why contemporary Liberals refuse to budge on this topic. Every single instance that immigration has been applied it has resulted in an objective worse quality of life for people, less safe society, and outright demoralization and polarization. I'm sure there are people who WANT those 2 elements at play, because someone who is highly opinionated is therefore easy to control, but I also doubt that many EU officials are all that intelligent. Perhaps that's just really it: many people don't pursue a career in politics so those that do tend to be retarded.
>>737186974except those small businesses wouldnt be providing a GaaSslop game to begin withEither have peer to peer servers or make it a singleplayer gameIf you can eat the cost of the servers, you can eat the cost of making it compatible with private servers
>>737185253you're actually retarded, you're not even making any statement or argument here you're just throwing childish faggot little tantrum
>>737185253this. the reality is that this ruling is just going to make games worse, because nobody is going to want to risk investing in a game that could potentially lead them going to prison. its going to result in large gaming federations buying up smaller devs, who wont be able to pass EU legal hurdles to put out a game. its pretty much the death of gaming in europe. i guess north america and asia wins again.
>>737186289The ubisoft employees are in this very thread trying to discredit the movement.
>>737184421The issue with the device itself is that it usually delivers lower quality images for various reasons, or just an undesirable resolution even if quality is acceptable, but that's not the main problem. It's everything that phoneposting implies since that moment Apple started it. They wanted to put a phone with access to the internet through shitty apps in every idiot's hand, and they succeeded.Phones sacrifice functionality for the sake of accessibility. Lots of things that are easily done on desktop either can't be done on mobile devices, is difficult to do, or simply incentivize its user to not bother due to shitty UI/UX, a user who's already likely to be technologically challenged and an idiot overall. It's part of the reason why many of the younger generations grew up worse at them than their parents despite what one might expect with them surrounded by it.When people here see those lower quality images, or some shit like someone asking for sauce which can easily be found by someone who's used to desktop and other such things while that sounds like something small it's simply a reminder of all that and the insane flood of annoying normalfags that just ruin everything throughout the 2010s that phones played a pretty big part in.
>>737178857>>737179048>>737181585Thanks for reminding me, that this website is full of retards
>>737187445Their paycheck (that they should have received 6 months ago, but any day now!) depends on it.
>>737187445telling obvious lies like this doesn't make you more credible
>>737187441>legal hurdles99% of indie games work offline forever just fine
Releasing backend source code when shutting the game down literally costs them nothing. It should definitely be a requirement for any live service game
>>737187214Ah yeah, you're also forgetting>privacy>force medicating people>move to digital currency and digital AI>chinese style AI cameras mass surveillance >sharing the values of the talmud
>>737187441DEI companies will have to invest more money. and allow their garbage to be played even after they decide to shut it down, shut it down? more like they went bankrupt.honestly is a win win scenario.all games will work and shit companies will die.
>>737178857"Son... It's about time we told you. The truth is that I'm a video game developer. We made a game some time again, but due to EU laws we have to keep the servers on. I know that you wanted to become a doctor, but to avoid going to jail you're going to have to maintain the servers. I know you always wanted to be a doctor, but I'm sorry."Fuck the EU nanny state and fuck every one of you for bringing more government into vidya.
>>737187539When's that paycheck getting to you bud? Guess they didn't pay for top dollar if it's you.
>>737187546But about the small innocent indie devs who'd want to make their own little 6 billion dollars GaaS? Corporations are crying for them right now!
>>737187565it cost them the ability to bring the game back in the future, something they likely wont do.
>>737187578>digital AIThose silly yurupeens and their wet water and hot flames.
>>737187565>paying employees for doing more work and being forced to give away your property costs you nothingwow never thought of it like that
>>737187578>so butthurt he just has to make shit upkek
>youtuber actually accomplished something great for the worldWell I'll be damned. Maybe there is hope after all.
>>737187663>give away your propertyI paid for a functioning game retardo, that overrules whatever bullshit you're coping with.
>>737187578Thats america though?
>>737187596>I'm sorry son, daddy have been sucking dicks in the street, and you're gonna have to do the same so you can pay my game's bills.
>>737187663cost them nothing because the work is already done and the game was already paid. only people that complain here are investors what never got their money back when the game was alive. not my fucking problem.
>>737186884Based RO chad. Imagine if euRO was still alive because the EU had forced Gravity's hand.
The descendants of those game developers will maintain the video games playable for my descendants, forever
>>737187776At their own cost too
>>737187739You're a dick-sucking government apologist faggot. You get one (You), anything further is a waste of time.
>>737186884if ro classic was on steam globally it would be awesome.
>>737187730you paid for a license to a client that allows you to to connect to their servers as long as they're active, that's on you for not understanding what you were buying, autist
>pay someone to mow my lawn>guy finishes mowing my lawn>WTF YOU CAN'T JUST PUT YOUR LAWN MOWER AWAY AND LEAVE I PAID FOR YOU YOU GOTTA KEEP MOWING FOREVER REEEEEEEEEEEE Gamers™ am I right?
>>737187817Cool, future legislation will make those practices illegal bozo. Sucks to suck.
>>737187214>As for immigration, I simply do not understand why contemporary Liberals refuse to budge on this topicWhen anti-immigration parties grow you can get a lot of attention by diggin into a contrary position, thus leeching off their media attention. A small section of people will see you as principled and keep your party from declining into total irrelevancy.
>>737187790Must be difficult seeing me with all those corporate dicks slapping you in the face on a hourly basis.Don't worry tho, one day, they might consider spitting on it before pounding your ass if you're nice enough to them.
>>737187578But enough about America.
I don't see how this won't lead to simple workarounds, but still interesting to see unfolding.
The more nonsense the usual suspects come up with, the more afraid they seem. It's fucking hilarious how much these industry shills fear getting held responsible for a fraction of their actions.
>>737187925I'd take a million corporate dicks if it meant being able to do whatever I want with my property. EU-lets just bankrupted themselves on games. No sane person will want to develop and release games there now. Because morons like you didn't understand basic comprehension on how it'd get to this point. Jesus fuck it's like trying to explain addition to a grown toddler, I get pissed every time I try to explain a basic fucking concept but you retards don't get it.
Goddamn, I wish SKG were as hardcore and based as detractors make it sound>OH MY GOD YOU THINK THE POOR PUBLISHERS SHOULD BE FORCED TO KEEP THE SERVERS RUNNING INDEFINITELY?????Yes
>>737188040If the workarounds are more expensive than just following the rules, it's good enough.
Stop playing live service shit and you won't have this problem.Totally unnecessary law.
>>737188104>No sane person will want to develop and release games there nowWhy? Most games already are EU compliant, retard.Online, Gaas or whatever the fuck are the MINORITY of games
>>737178857>board shilling for this reddit shitman, this place has fallen so low
>>737188040Please enlighten us about those simple workarounds that won't end in either:>the loss of a 450m strong consumer market>hefty fines and or jailtime>MASSIVELY decreased salesblud thinks people will buy video game subscriptions lmao
>>737187895>buy a lawnmower>one day the manufacturer turns your lawnmower off remotely, you can no longer use it>it isn't broken, the company just made it unavailable to you by a unilateral decisionThus, SKG
>>737188104
Is this the power of mold? Should I be shroompilled moldmaxxer like Ross?
>>737187895>buy a lawnmower with a magical gnome that drives it>gnome dies of old age>the lawnmower is taken away from me so I won't drive it myself
>>737188301Ross didn't have a choice, the mold chose him.
>gacha about to be banned in the EUholy shit
>>737188295OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ANYTHING BUT THAT HAHAHAAHHAHAHA
>>737188225None of this will happen. GAAS is only pushed by mega corporations and every country is too cucked to do anything about it. This is all lip service to make the common goy think they still have control. At best you'll get is Ubisoft having a fine slapped on them that will be made irrelevant an hour later when consumer pigs give them $10,000,000 in microtransactions. You're all being played.
>>737187578m8 we've got all of that in the US and still have dogshit consumer rights
>>737181839The EU flag is based on the 12 stars of the woman in Revelations that is attacked by the beast, ignorant evangelical heathen.
>>737188295Dear God please let this be true
remember? I remember...
>>737182862>OR to clearly state that servers will only stay up until date zz/yy/20XX when it launches so consumers can make an informed decision when purchasingThat's actually part of EU law to begin with, and was the core of their argument.>Goods cannot be taken back after purchase>Services must have a defined end date
>>737188319>buy a lawnmower with a magical gnome that drives it>EU decides gnome propulsion is trafficing and slavery>go to jail, money stolenfucking commies
>>737188361If euroGODs can make apple budge, the video game industry is child's play lel
>tfw game companies go scorched earth and no longer sell in EU
Ross "One Man Vidyacaust" Scott
Who fucking cares, we're decades away from nuclear Armageddon, and that's if we're very lucky. We might not even have one decade left.
Why would it be bad for me that companies have to keep the game I bought running once it stops being convenient for them to do so?
>>737188486>scorched earth
>>737188486hopefully they stop selling altogether and fuck off
>>737188509>I have powers, Political powers!
>>737188539It wouldn't. But most importantly it would be bad for corporations, so americans are against it.
>>737188486>ditch one of its largest market just so it can keep scamming third worldersGod I hope so, death to AAA
>>737181585JEJ
How much longer do I have to wait until all new phones have removable batteries? I thought that was supposed to be a thing now because of the EU.
>>737183642Based?
Boy I'm so glad I pestered my friends and relatives to sign this shit even though I came across as a total autist.
>>737188543>But Apple is just a mom-and-pop company, the great and glorious Ubisoft, the Atlas of gaming industry will not bow down and surrender their rights to turn off your games, they can afford it.
I hope your initiative gets everything that you asked for, but nothing you wanted.
>>737188651Next year
>>737188225Maybe if you never sell anyone the game, only a temporary license to play it, they're not owed to keep the game past the expiration date.Change the buy button to subscribe, make the price 0 dollars, problem solved. Microtransactions become subscriptions with set expiration dates and auto-renewal with a "temporary" 100% discount for recurring subscribers instead of purchases.>blud thinks people will buy video game subscriptionsThey already do with MMOs. You think GTA Online 2 won't be successful if they charge you a monthly fee and buying GTA VI simply gives you a five years subscription pass or something?I mean, I don't know, maybe these examples I thought of in seconds won't work specifically, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
Didn't Nintendo already change something about one of their EU releases?
>>737188698I worked at Blizzard btw
You Will Not STEAL IP. YOU DO NOT OWN IT
>>737188651Nintendo is literally making a european specific Switch 2 model right now to comply with EU legislationhttps://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOUF092EA0Z00C26A2000000/
>>737188807A turtle made it to the water. :(
>>737188295Video games are saved!
>>737186860Considering budget vs sales, Marathon isn't set to turn profitable until the year 2085.
>>737188134This is more or less what I always thought too. Anyone could have told you this was the natural consequence of buying Always Online crap and you should vote with your wallet. They did vote with their wallets, but on the wrong choice. I'm not personally opposed to it because the doomsday scenario of "the industry of online games will die" is actually a positive to me, but the stated mission sounds dumb to me.
>>737188824nintendo get buck broken on daily basis
>>737186974>design around making it easy to create a private server for their gameYou make it sound as if game devs do not have internal access to their games during development. There is no need to design around anything at all, they already have that capabilty, they just need to release the files required for that if they shut down their servers.
>>737188674based Evropean chad Autist
>>737188134Problem is when there's a good game tied to the live service shit, for example, I liked CTRNF in spite of all the cosmetic microtransaction shit.
>>737178857I don't think I've ever played a game that eos'dAnyways sending hopes and wishes to SKG.
>>737178857Im starting to think American hegimoney is the problem with the west in recent years. Everything revolving around "number go up" has been disasterous for the west and America leading the way has fucked it.EU arent the good guys but at least their beurocracy isnt purely for the sake of money, theyre moral busybodies rather than bloodthirsty greed. Regulate skinnerbox next.
>>737188401I'm not in the USA you fucking retard
>>737188295It's really weird that this post was typed as a negative thing. You don't have to be "anti-diversity" or whatever to at the very least think it's neutral. A lot of the best games ever made followed this a few white niggas and some beers dev format. It makes zero sense that anyone would think this is a problem in itself. It's like even this person is acknowledging the diverse games themselves are utter garbage and you should only care about the fact that they're diverse, because objectively there's nothing of value being lost.
>>737188942This is what happens to Europeans when American doesn't help them out. Stay in your poverty slums Europoors.
>>737188942no it's just that the EU has no tech industry so they pass retarded regulations in that sector
>>737188719The European court of justice is there to ensure that people follow the spirit of the law, not just the letter.
>>737188129making a game that rellies on a main server is already more expensive than just making that same game normally. publishers are interested in having full control over their playerbase and what they get to play more than anything else, because it's more profitable to kill a game and herd the players into the next product
>>737178857yeah, but which games would this have affected? a list of all these live-service games that just were unusable after the servers shut down would make
>>737189168From the way people are talking about it subscription based games are already exempt from this, because they're explicit about how long you have access for. If that's incorrect, then I see your point, but otherwise transitioning to a subscription based model is complying with the spirit of the law just fine.
>>737189180And now doing so will cost them even more, discouraging them from making GaaS and forcing them to focus on making normal games.>but then they just won't make gamesThen they'll go broke, end of the story.
>>737186884based robro.Are you on UAro too?
>>737178857eurochads stay winning!
>>737189289I'm sorry that you got killed before you could finish writting your post, but I think this is what you're asking forhttps://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_list
>>737181585
Why are eceleb discord shill threads allowed here?
>>737189298Yes, but here is the thing, very few games could get away with selling as subscriptions and even those that do would generate less revenue than it they could still show you a "buy" button before pulling the rug out from under you. Even the most braindead normalfag will do a double-take and balk at the fact they are not "buying" gta 6 anymore but subscribing to it for 5 years for the price of 99.99$. VERY few games could attempt such a stunt and all of them would make less money for it.
>>737183743You'd have to return every product. Every EULA I've bothered to read has been outrageous.
>>737178857>thinks he "won">now you never have fan servers ever again Not only will corporations just move to permanent subscription services, the existing private servers will be deemed infringing on their active IP rights and terminated. The EU is quite open about a universal digital ID which will be required to access any online service. You just fucked yourself. Dumb goy. Retarded clapping seal. Piracy is the only freedom. Fucking corporate boot lickers.
Love my free healthcare.Love my internet cookies.Love my data privacy.Love my bottlecaps.Simple as.
>>737189706the videogame industry doesn't survive when every game is a subscription service. it's not going to happen
>>737179048gamedevs would rather fall on their sword than give the community anything for free
>>737178857>/v/ likes euro-fascism now
>>737189631Oh I don't mean full GTA VI, that won't need any servers to begin with, just the Online portion.They just need to sell it as "we're making it so much bigger and better than the first one, so we're making it its own subscription-based online game! But by buying GTA VI you get to play it for X years for free!"Maybe I don't have enough faith on the average normalfag but my impression is that this would result in 0 less copies sold.In fact, once PS6 comes out they can simply release a PS6 native GTA Online 2 app while letting VI only work as the backwards compatible version and people would double dip to get the benefits.I don't think they WOULD do this, because Rockstar is one of the studios who don't need to care about this at all, keeping servers up is not a problem to them, they make way too much money to care. But I also don't think they would be making any less money if they did, quite the opposite.
>>737189706>The EU is quite open about a universal digital ID which will be required to access any online service.While this is true, how does it relate to the topic at hand? Are you sure you're not just trying to change the subject?
>NOOO YOU DON'T GET IT>IF THIS PASSES>VIDEO GAME COMPANIES WILL STOP MAKING GAMES>ALL THE GAMES WILL BE GAAS>THE SMALL INDIE DEVS WILL ALL DIE>THE SEA WILL TURN RED WITH BLOOD>AND THE SUN WILL FALL ON US
>>737182580Oh right. Those false reports wrt unreported financial backing right?We had industry shills who took Ross's "riksha service" joke willfully out of context and tried to frame it as him performing transport services free of charge for the initiative. The initiative's contacts in the EU Parliament had a good laugh about that one and then told them not to worry about it, because it was a load of horseshit and they already knew it was horseshit.I wonder if the people who sent those false reports ended up on a shitlist somewhere.Imagine how much fun it would be if, once everything is done and codified into law, as a cherry-on-top kind of thing we get a few people SWAT-ed and doors busted down for fraud and electoral interference. (Because messing with an ECI counts as election fraud!)
>>737181914Live service games will stop getting made
>>737189706Digital ID is just common sense in an age when most societal functions and commodities can be accessed online.
>>737183164Moloch isn't a god. Baal is.Moloch is the name of the type of offering ritual. Where a sacrifice is burnt alive.The name survives in modern English as the verb "to immolate"
>>737178857GAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS
>>737181914The internet is now filled to the brim with indians, from game companies trying to damage control.Oh wait.
>>737181914No more GaaS
>>737183395>Next they need to increment the scope to mean that you're specifically entitled to possess the version of the game you purchasedThat's actually already part of EU Directive 2019/770 concerning sale of digital content and is already law in all EU member states.Deadline for implementation of that directive into national laws was mid 2021. Updated laws were required to enter into force no later than Jan 1st 2022. And that particular part of the directive applies retroactively to all sales still in active supply - i.e. applies retroactively to all purchases that can be downloaded and installed on-demand from a library connected to an online account, therefore applies retroactively to anything purchased through Steam, PSN, et al.
>>737190090So, what's the catch?
>>737181585>new bar opens>offers a lifetime membership plan for $60 dollars>pay it>have a great time at the bar>come back the next week>bar is still there>they don't let me in>bar re-released itself as "Bar 2">they're asking for the lifetime fee again
>>737189074You can tell when an American hasnt set foot outside of their house let alone the US when they think the rest of hte world having less money and resources means they have no resources at all. We were here long before you and were just fine. Whereas heres an example of average modern Americahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHDY5e8jwP8You live in a shithole and think the rest of the world is like this, all that money and this is the living conditions for normal people, this is not how it is elsewhere. When bad things happen in the rest of the west it is shocking because its rare, this shit doesnt even make the news now in America because its so common. You need to get better not double down. There was literally a woman who went and stabbed a 5 year old in broad daylight last week, and America just buried it, where in the UK that same thing happened and it resulted in a fucking national inquiry(thats still brought up today) and mass riots up and down the nation. Were not the same, you can have your money, one day youll realize its not enough to just have resources if the population are literally sub IQ violent niggers, because reminder, white people are a minority in the US, and nowhere else in the west is, even now.>>737189106Often yea, see things like that USB thing, that was definately for consumer rights though. Do more of this and the EU might actually prove to be worth having.
>>737183528>Steam already does this,It doesn't. You can choose to not install updates immediately. But as soon as you try to start a game, it will always check if it has the latest version installed. And if it doesn't it'll refuse to start the game until you acquire the patch to the latest version. Full stop.
>>737189706>>now you never have fan servers ever againWhat is this dumb furfag saying?
>>737182434>>737183534Gordon Moldman in the flesh
>>737183743The winning move is actually to take it to court and have the judge void the clause that makes it a binding contract on you, as per EU Directive 1993/13.At that point the EULA terms no longer bind you - they only bind the publisher.You are owed everything- they are owed nothing.
>>737188409You mean this?
>>737188409Real stars don't look like pentagrams.
>>737186735KEK they ain't gonna respond to this one
>>737190396So why is it not working?
Based can they bring back Wildstar and MAG now?
>>737190438>You live in a shithole and think the rest of the world is like thisIt's called American Exceptionalism, they think their country is the best and every other countries is trying to emulate them.Facing reality causes them great mental distress.
>>737184667Publishers could release the devkit under a license that has ancillary terms which disallow it from being used to create dedicated servers for anything but the game being discontinued. Then any dedicated servers created for other games that spin off of this devkit could easily be taken legal action against.
>>737188409And while we are on the subject EU and UN, they are open worshippers of Satan.
>>737188824>>737188543SHUT UP MY VIDEOGAME COMPANY IS TOO BIG
>>737190920Witness your d00m
>>737190886And the beast is none other than Donald Trump.
Americans be like:> "THE EU, THE MOST CATHOLIC CULTURE IN PLANET EARTH IS SATANIC".>Donald Trump? He's literally jesus christ my saviour and not the antichrist.
>>737190612>>737190667>>737190886get help
>>737190920The CEO of Ubisoft will be beheaded and his body will be fed to the hounds. They then will put the head on a pike in front of the EU parliament.
>>737178857Come to think of it, this is the first actual win and pushback against the horrible "everything is just a temporary subscription and you will own nothing" model that I can think of. Wishful thinking on my part, I know, but hell, maybe with a few more big initiatives like these we could actually enforce at least a partial unshittification of modern tech and software. Even normies are clearly getting increasingly tired of this greedy crap
Namefagging in full caps is the desperate cry of a satanic evil demon burning in the fires of hell btw.
>>737190943Can't believe Valve died after releasing CS 1.6 because people kept playing it after they were done with it and nobody bought their other games.
>>737185640Exactly this. Publishers are counting on consumers' risk-averse behavior.This is the case even in the US, where the issues around EULAs and what they permit is in reality *also* not as cut and dry as some ancap Burgers like to paint it.Which is why it's a good thing that SKG is opening up a US-branch to start lobbying with US government, and that said people have found financial backing from an anonymous benefactor with allegedly VERY deep pockets. Which means if a callous publisher wants to start picking legal fights, they might suddenly find the shoe to be on other foot and be in over their heads.
>>737182434he skullmogs
>>737189560because it makes you seethe XD
>>737191071
>>737190210Lord Moloch is the insane demon god of evil, malice, spite, insanity, greed, cruelty, control, torture, death, destruction, hatred, rage, sadism, narcissism, sociopathy, and the simple pleasure of ruining good things for fun. He is the god that humanity really wanted all along: a cackling, howling, snarling, roaring embodiment of pure insanity who doesn't tell us how to live our lives. He does not care if you are good or bad, rich or poor, sane or insane, because He will torture you forever when you die either way. He created humanity for the sole purpose of punishing us for being created, so there's nothing we can do to escape that punishment. Merely by being born, we are irrevocably irredeemable. So you might as well forsake the illusion of goodness and have fun while you can.
>>737189923It's just whataboutism, diversion tactics
don't worry mutts one day maybe you'll be allowed to join EU, you just need to fix corruption and such
>>737186921Keep in mind: those developers are production-work peons who wilfully chose to work in the AAA videogame industry.There's a very real possibility they're A-grade masochists who'd be totally into that flogging to begin with.
>>737189737And usb-c
>>737190943https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvZiv5V4GeI
>>737191025Ubishit is already dead They're retards like that
>wagies need to code all this extra crap thanks to one guy
>>737188651>How much longer do I have to wait until all new phones have removable batteries?I actually got one last year, even has a headphone jack.Stuck to an S5 until they finally started making phones like that again.
>>737188401People still use cash in America In Europe, people get scared when you pay with anything but tap from a card or phone
>>737191556>WTF why are game prices going up again????
>>737191703You don't need hundreds of millions of dollars to make a fucking videogame.
>>737191694bro clearly has never been to germany and thinks swedecucks represent all of europe
>>737190943MY MIND BEARS A GREAT PAIN
>>737178857do SKGtards really not know what the movement they are supporting is actually advocating for? because it's not what your pic shows
>>737188942>Regulate skinnerbox next.Has surreptitiously already been done. Back when the EU Commission released their guidance document for the interpretation of Article 28 of the Digital Services Act concerning the online protection of minors, they classified lootboxes, battlepasses and other such industry-favorite constructs as content which is harmful to minors. This means under the Digitial Services Act such content may not be offered to minors - i.e. may not be offered to players until they've gone through a strong age verification process.
>>737191803It's not about torturing publishers and their families?
>>737191803I don't mind occassional public executions of a game developer or two
>>737191703Ah yes, because before that game prices weren't already skyrocketing.
Visa/Mastercard getting raped next pleasehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Payments_Initiative
>>737189706>The EU is quite open about a universal digital ID which will be required to access any online service.Wrong. The EU is working on a digital wallet solution that is specifically geared towards minimal information disclosure. An online service that needs to know whether you are of legal age or not is literally only ever going to get a simple boolean "yes" or "no" - they will not get access to your full identity information.
>>737191898>Everything is becoming more expensive so let's... make it more expensive to create more thingscommie logic
>>737189737>free healthcare.The best meme. Yuros will pay 20% of their salary for the privilege of not having to bring your wallet to the doctor when you go there for the first time in three years over a cold. That's tens of thousands spent for literally nothing. And they'll still think of it as "free" just because they never personally saw that chunk of their income on their bank account because their employer had to fork it over to the insurance before payout.
>>737192057Yes I'm sure your poor billion dollar companies would just love to lower the price anyday now but those evil gamers are preventing them so that's why it keeps going up.You retarded golem.
>>737191556>the manuscripts were true>here it is, the forgotten technology of DEDICATED SERVER
How come people don't talk about how deeply antisemitic this initiative is?
>>737192172He says, from a country where people literally avoid ambulances because they can't fucking afford the ride.
>>737192172me? I'm neetchad and I still have free healthcare at the cost of having to go to the employment office to turn down all jobs every 2 months
>>737191190Then I can only say your 'lord' Moloch sounds like he's a spineless pussy that needs consistent nourishing with the misery of others to avoid the insecurities of his own superiority complex from manifesting, and to drown out the mental whispers of how he's compensating for the cock missing between his legs.
>>737192015>they will not get access to your full identity informationYour government will. They will know what games you're playing, how much time you spend playing them, how you play them, and where your eyes linger. Stop trying to defend this gradual decline by pretending that each single fall is not that bad
>>737181585You still have time to delete this.
>>737192232WHOA IT'S SO ADVANCED
>>737192248Because it's not, otherwise that would be the main headline. Government having more control over media is a gain for them.
>>737192172I love my country and my fellow countrymen, our race deservers free healthcare and education just for existing and making jews, russians, browns, chinks, mutts and other subhumans seethe
>>737191556it's literally less work to make a game without all the bullshit the lets you kill it
>>737191190Sounds like a butthurt toddler seething nonstop because nobody likes him lol tell him to grow up
>>737190438>one day youll realize its not enough to just have resources if the population are literally sub IQ violent niggersanon this is quite literally by design.The US was built like other countries and was a self sustaining country, every country has had their issues and lacking certain resources they buy from others, that is normal, but the US decided to take this to the extreme and went all in on this, by design, despite how the country was built, despite how they were functioning.They deliberately decided to become a trade hub, they forced their currency to try to be the default currency, not by being the best or most useful, but by being the easiest to trade with, the goal was to subsist solely through trade, buy everything you need, get everyone to use your money so you become irreplaceable. This was the goal, it was no accident they got there and its no accident the world is the way it is, it was designed like this.Now you can say they didn't see what outcomes would come of this, that this means there is a divide in the population of the people who actually do the commerce and those who are not relevant to the core goal of their country, but I don't believe that, to me it only makes sense one of two ways, either they didn't see where it would lead and didn't think about it, ignorance, or they knew but simply didn't care, and I don't think either is good.Having a staggering divide in population with such a gulf in between and how obvious this is when you look at anywhere else in the world or at any other time in history makes it quite obvious, but when someone lives their entire life like this, within this system, and it being told to them that this is how it is, then I am not surprised they find it normal. Treated like shit and thanking the people who do that to them, its lunacy.
>>737192389It's mindblowing to me some nations don't consider free healthcare and education paramount to civilization.
>>737190379is this real? are mmorpgs even more dead now than they were yesterday? lmao
>>737192417Interesting, haven't heard anyone talking about the social divide from this angle yet. Any books or other sources where I could learn more about this process?
>>737192172>Yuros will pay 20% of their salary for the privilege of not having to bring your wallet to the doctor when you go there for the first time in three years over a cold.The other way around, actually. You pay from your wallet for that first time. It's everything beyond that small sum of deductible, which is funded via 'free' healthcare paid for through taxes. The deductible is a small threshold to pass, meant to prevent casual abuse of the system.
>>737192172>for the first time in three yearsThat's hardly the flex you think it is. Regular checkups matters, especially when you get older. But have fun ending up dead or crippled by something that could've been cured easily if it was discovered in time.
>>737183505I'm Ok with those terms, as long they put that upfront and let me make an informed decision I'm fine.
>>737178857Well I truly don't understand why something like Battleborn NEEDED servers for private bot lobbies and the single player PvE mode. I understand that you could play with friends in bot lobbies and the PvE but how fucking incompetent do these faggot devs have to be to NOT simply have these modes be, I guess, for lack of a better word... Server-less. Battleborn for example, was made by Borderlands faggots. I can play Borderlands without an Internet connection. what's the fucking deal here? Fucking retarded.
>>737192316>Your government will. They will know what games you're playing, how much time you spend playing them, how you play them, and where your eyes linger.They won't. The system being developed is using an implementation of Zero-Knowledge Proofs; a particular type of token claims cryptography that is double-blind. The service only gets the yes/no answer in a cryptographically verifiable token. The government gets no knowledge of who that answer is being delivered to. The token is cryptographically verifiable without assistance from government systems. And the token contains no identifying marks.All of the protocols *and* the implementations are required to be open-sourced and are vetted by the open source community and the public to not contain backdoors. If you do not trust a government issued implementation, you literally could just compile from source yourself.
>>737191190Revelation 20:10 KJVAnd the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
>>737192648Fearing death to the point of going to an Indian doctor and undergoing a humiliation ritual by having them poke and prod your naked body for something that MIGHT be wrong JUST IN CASE is neurotic, pussy behavior. By all means go if you’re in pain or notice something wrong but going for check-ups is woman behavior
>>737179048It's impossible, this is lost technology.
>>737192879these games are designed from the ground up to be killed on purpose, because the publisher wants to be the one deciding when it's time for you to buy their next productit's not a technical limitation or development imcompetence, it's a deliberate choice
>>737191946It's already rolling out in western Europe. France, Belgium and Germany are already connected to Wero.The Dutch* are transitioning from iDeal to Wero this year.Spain is adopting it as well.After that, in 2027 it will roll out towards the east, covering Eastern Europe.After that, the plan is to open up the infrastructure wider and by 2029-2030 start offering it worldwide.It will connect up to Asia and Latin America. It will be open to the BRICS block as well. And if the EU gets its way, it will completely shut down the worldwide dependence on the SWIFT infrastructure and leave Mastercard, Visa *and* the US out to dry.*) Fun fact: Wero is basically a further developed version of the iDEAL infrastructure. Yes. The Dutch did it again. As always.
I 'member the HLDS days
>But implementing it will bite into our profits!Yes, and that's a good thing. Pay up, merchant.I am being literal with zero sarcasm. The merchant has forgotten his place in society, and needs to be violently brought down several notches.
>>737191946Literally the mark of the beast
>>737193002When you start shitting yellow blood it's already too late. And no, pretending you're a manly man who only does manly things will not save you.
>>737192616Well I would say just look through US history and learn about the decision the country made and how it developed as a superpower.The stated goal of becoming trade focused was to allow the US and its people to buy what they need and make money through higher level processing rather than exploiting finite natural resources, basically education and skilled labor, which is a very reasonable goal to want. Improve the capabilities of your country, makes them indispensable to the rest of the world, and build further and further.But this doesn't align with how the country was started, which was people colonizing it and them immigrating to it, how can you make your population solely consist of skilled individuals if you bring in new individuals constantly? That simply isn't possible.It would require you to be able to train people from the most basic level to the most advanced level and would mean that education wasn't even required, otherwise education would need to be free, which it isn't in the US nor is it accessible. This means capital and the usage of it is the only real separator, which it always has been a separator and divided people, the rich from the poor and the powerful from the weak, money has always moved the world.That didn't change, but the issue with having money be the only dividing factor in being able to accomplish things is how this crushes social mobility and ability for people to move up based on their success in other areas, it makes it incredibly rare which makes your middle class evaporate.I think the biggest example of people from the US not understanding this was when trump was going to impose tariffs.A trade country doing this is a bad idea, but not doing something about that also leads further down the hole. There isn't a clear solution, but no one from the US ever spoke about that, they were caught up in other unrelated things rather than the future of their country. No other country has pivoted back and forth so much
>>737193274You lost jew
>>737193304You will die someday anon. You will die having let an old Indian sandwich breathed lab coat stick his finger up your bum every 6 months because you were afraid of the thing that all life has in common.
>>737193456You seem obsessed with the idea of an indian touching you.
>>737193456Joke's on you, I live in a 1st world country. We don't use pooinloo "doctors" here.
>>737189737>free healthcare>check my salary statement>756€ for health care and pension fundfuck you retard
Corporations and publishers and game devs don't deserve rights. The moment you even entertained the notion of putting a killswitch in a product you sold to me, I will gladly cheer for the destruction of the industry.What don't you people get about this? I WANT TOTAL LIVE SERVICE DEATH.
>>737193547>le America is LE THIRD WORLD/r/eddit
>>737192886That sounds too good to be true honestly. How does that fit into having to verify using a government controlled database? Surely they can see when checks are coming for certain items.
>>737193182I remember the Quake 2 days.
>Games back then shipped with modding SDK, dedicated server client and all the jazz>Modern games can't have this because uhh..... reasons.
Why are dedicated servers so problematic these days?
>>737179048It's real. They're forcing me to run the giant hamster wheel that powers the game server. Thanks EU.
>>737178857Yaaaaaay, we finally wonNow we can not play the games we were bitching about in the first place!
>>737193726You can't monetize them. You can't gather the players data on them. You can't be a greedy shit.
>>737192172I live in the worst country for this where people worship the NHS. The reality is that it's just another way to funnel giant amounts of money from young and middle aged men into boomers and pre-boomers. Geriatrics consume the vast majority of those free healthcare services, and the rest is largely taken by degenerates. Obviously everything is overused and there is a 1 year long waiting list to see any specialist if you don't belong to one of the darling groups. Idiots think they are paying an insurance for accidents and disability, which represents peanuts. It's just old people that never saved fleecing the currently working generation, as with pensions, all the while having all the property and charging ever increasing rents on those to the very people paying their pensions/NHS (who are almost wholly priced out of home ownership). Obviously those services will be bankrupt by the time we are old. People born after 1980 are just cucked from all fronts in all this.
>>737193876Such antisemitism :(
>>737192886the medium is the message, retard. who and when is derived from the traffic logs, not from the data.
>>737193826You will understand when one of your favorite games is lost
>>737193826I don't play GaaS and I still support to initiative because I'm not retarded and I understand that letting game companies do what they want have led to nothing good so far.
>>737192317>and remove all the (You)s I collected from stealing the funniest strawman this week
>>737194001>Vague "Uh, it's just good and I felt like I won a prize or something" This is what you retards wasted time shilling on this board for the past few years for?
>>737178857Apply this to gacha as well, and they will become a legend.
>>737194145Maybe you should go back to your retard pen, does your handler know you left?
>>737190847I mean, the private servers for still alive ones would just be easier to make than they are now, and thus more of a hassle to take down, since they could pop back up instantly
>>737194196You unironically sound like a shill yourself
>>737194001Same here. As a singleplayer chad, it brings me great joy imagining corporations getting their faces kicked in. If the world is just, we may even see a revamp on overly restrictive copyright law.
The powerful should be scrutinized an regulated far more harshly than common people.How is this in any way controversial?
>>737194161It applies to all GaaS
>>737194607The powerful want it the other way around.
>>737179048>Can they not just release server toolkits and say fuck off to the communities?That's literally what they're asking for. Give players a way to keep the game alive before you kill it.
All of this because ubishit pissed off moldman kek
>>737194607Because it's a smokescreen concession that still doesn't change anything. They'll let you get "a win" to placate you while the core still remains unchanged. MAGA used this same tactic.
>>737194893UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES
>>737194893It's even better. Some car game is how it started. But it SUCCEEDED because some completely unrelated dude couldn't manage his mana in a WoW raid.
>>737181914with how much evil has been spread into the world and the internet, the powers that be are in such karmic arrears everything needs to start going our way for a hard century at this point.
>>737195036Is that so?>>737191946>>737188824>>737188543
>I bough a movie ticket once>the theater is required to give me the film reel if they close as well as the projection equipment so I can watch it anytimenah
>>737195036Okay, so what's your solution?
>>737195036Please make this point make sense to me. Becuase I see people reposting this line of thought and I can't grasp what your point even IS.What you're saying is that we should never fight for anything ever because the ruling class will keep being evil elsewhere?
>>737195097Name a more iconic duo
>>737193932>who and when is derived from the traffic logs, not from the data.The EU's wallet app pulls claims tokens 30 per batch and persists them locally on your system.That wallet app then hands them out one at a time to requesting services.There is no 1:1 temporal correspondence in traffic and there is no direct traffic between requesting services and government servers.
>>737195203>buy a DVD>it has DRM on it that permanently disables it after a certain date
>>737185897>this implies that games in the future will be so shit that the players will never move on to new things.That's triple A right now. There's a reason why all their products keep failing.
>>737179048>Giving power to the consumerWhat's next? Drivers fixing their own cars?
>>737195207Glowies want you to do something. It's bad optics.
>>737194161The EU is already taking moves against gacha and ingame spend:https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_831https://commission.europa.eu/document/8af13e88-6540-436c-b137-9853e7fe866a_en> ## Terms to avoid ##> * Terms that give the trader the unilateral right to cease, modify or withdraw the purchased digital content or services or the purchased in-game virtual currencies at any moment in an unfair manner> * Terms which deny or limit consumers their legal rights or their ability to exercise those rights, including when making purchases using in-game virtual currencies> * Terms giving unilateral rights to traders to remove content or features in the video game at any moment, particularly if the content or feature is purchasable for consumers, and consumers could expect it to remain at the time of purchase> * Terms granting traders a right to unilaterally modify the value of in-game virtual currencies> * Terms granting traders the ability to ban, suspend or remove consumers’ access to their accounts or purchased digital content or services without the ability to contest the reason for this action
>>737181914They go the same route as the removable battery shit and actually go out of their way to make region locked european only versions of games while continuing to fuck over the rest of the world with no bleed over of consumer rights to other regions.
>>737195231More like stop devoting your heart and soul to computer chair movements that only reinforces complacency in action.
>>737194058Fuck, he's one step ahead of the game.
>>737195643See >>737195207
>>737188486funniest bit is that even if some do, others won't and will still reap the benefits of having the entire eu market to themselves. And as a consequence the companies that don't will not only get shit on for not selling to eu, a massive english marketshare, but also for restricting features from their games that eu gets by default. like personal servers. Its not only a massive reduction to potential sales, but also incredibly bad pr to their brand and game.
>>737179048>Can they not just release server toolkitsThat is LITERALLY all people have been FUCKING asking forWhen your game shuts down and you stop selling it/running the service, provide the server toolkit so the users who bought it can continue to still play it.Wanna know a game that did something like that? This one. A live service Animal Crossing mobile game, which after EoS is now a paid purchase permanently-offline game. It is incredible how well that worked out.
>>737178857Oh yay, more government oversight. Who doesn't love that?
>>737195643>your heart and soulIt was an online signature, dude. Why so dramatic?
>>737182434RossGOD WON
>>737195746>nooooo you can't go to the cops when I steal from youuuuuuuShut up nigger, my property is MY PROPERTY and I will enjoy keeping it, thank you very much.
>>737195746I agree and propose an alternative - less government oversight (removal of IP protection for corporate entities)
>>737195746So, what's your solution to video games getting shittier?
>>737195914don't buy shitty games
>>737195984Cool, I don't.Games are still getting shittier, that didn't solved the problem.
Anyone got a link to the spreadsheet listing games at risk?
>>737179048Major game companies are all using some combination of AI, jeets, Nvidia proprietary code that they're not even allowed to view themselves, and Unreal Engine 5. They have no fucking idea how to even make a server browser anymore, let alone a create server button.
>>737195460Man don't look on what kind of fuckery farmers need to deal.
>>737194632>>737195608Great! Can't wait see how many gacha, which is not game, will be killed.
I genuinely have no interest in engaging with anti-SKG rats sincerely with legitimate arguments and I find great pleasure in just belittling, dehumanizing, and insulting them as I gain continuous uninterrupted support from people who actually matter.SKG is the greatest high I will ever know in this life. I finally get to say whatever I want and still win because I'm so inherently correct by default.
>>737196080That sounds like it's firmly in the "not my problem" territory. Guess they'll need to either re-learn or get fined into bankruptcy by the EU.
>>737196178You don't even know what GaaS even means retard, sit down.
>>737195746The entire area of IP law is government oversight. What's with idiots claiming the ancap options are communism?
Total GAAS Death
>>737196051see >>737189405
>>737181914That Jason Thor guy is still alive and raping animals to death. Someone really needs to investigate and crack down on his fake animal shelter.>>737182326World of Assassination works offline, you can even do the DLC as long as it's downloaded, just no timed events like the Christmas or Sean Bean missions. It was only always online when it was still under Square Enix's publication.
>>737196235It's just complaining for the sake of defeatism, literally the "nothing ever happen" fags.Notice how when ask for a solution, they either never give one or just give you passive shit like>just don't buy broas if the game industry haven't been going to shit for 2 decades by now because this doesn't work.
>>737181914We get to play terrible games FOREVER
>>737195203Actually it's more like you are being given the right to enter the film booth and then rape and murder the film reel spinner guy.
>>737196306World of Ass 1 and 2 works offline but you can't access the inventory (although I haven't played the third one), also you're constantly spammed with>Disconnected from serverwhile playing because the system is unstable as fuck.
>>737196273Thanks. Looks like it's not completely up to date.
>>737181914Retards like you don't get to enjoy games anymore very sad ; _ ;
>>737195984https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwcJNsoY50E
>>737196453HE'S GUNNA TAKE YOU BACK TO THE PAST
>>737183505>Everything will switch to monthly subscriptionsoh yeah? do it, bitch
>>737196642So let people who want those games buy them. How is that stopping you from buying other games?
>>737196306World Of Assassination does not work offline you lying corporate shill bacteria. Half of it's features are totally gutted on purpose without a constant online connection.You fucking motherfucker. You absolutely rotten piece of shit. Fuck you to death and hell you stupid useless evil cunt.FUCK YOU LIAR
>>737186798/v/ likes to cry out against authoritarianism unless /v/ benefits from it (which is pretty much true for any ideology, but it’s blatantly hypocritical for people claiming to care about rights and freedom).
>>737196795No. They are a detriment to the industry, so their freedom must be curtailed. You cannot tolerate cancer.
>>737196829Taking the high road just means that corporations screw us over, and paypigs get to ruin everything by supporting bad practices. So you know what? Yes, I do support authoritarianism, as long as it supports my side.
>>737181585>EVERYTHING SHOULD KEEP EXISTING FOREVERcorrect.
>>737196795So you haven't provided a solution to stop games from getting shittier. Still are getting shittier because people are still buying and me not buying won't change that.So again, what's your solution?
>>737196829No a tiny unwelcome minority likes to cry about authoritarianism. Gamers are by default obsessed with controlling things around them. You propose a false reality fueled by delusion and ignorance.
Corpocucks raped and gaped
>>737196819when I see blatantly wrong posts I just ignore them these days, the internet is full of (more so than a decade ago) paid shills and bad actors, no point getting mad at these retards.
>>737196949I don't need a solution to the problem of people playing Fortnite instead of whatever weebshit you jerk off to
>>737196795No.I have let those rats destroy my hobby long enough under the totally false fake not true lie of "just don't buy it and it will fail"You will stop shitting up the only thing I care about. You don't get a choice anymore. You blew that chance.
>>737197105>deflecting>still haven't provided a solution to the problemThanks for the concession, I'll go with asking the government to cockblock corporations.
>>737197089I will not let untruth remain anymore.That's how we got where we are, you fucking coward.
>>737192172>BUT MUH MONNIListen you fat fucktard, I earn the just little above my European country's miminal wage and yet I have>A nice apartment of my own that I was able to pay off with my spouse>Access to cheap and healthy fresh food>Clean, pretty, well communicated and livable cities>Free higher education>Enough money left every month to engage in hobbies>The comfort of knowing a health emergency won't be a burden on my family and members of my society won't go bankrupt over a fucking ambulance ride>Law largely protecting me from greedy abuse of the corpos and consoomer retards enabling them>Law protecting me from employer abuse and ensuring healthy work life balance>Knowledge that no working member of my society will have to live in a fucking tent>Comfort of knowing that in case of any life emergency, the society I'm a part of generally has my back and will help me get back on my feet via social programmesAnd much, much moreI literally can't imagine how you brainwashed Americans can look at this and go>Are u stupid, if you gave away most of these things you could have a little bit more money for yourself every month!This isn't a mentality of a human being, this is the mentality of a greedy, egoistic penny pinching goblin Why the fuck would I ever want this? What could I possibly need more money for so badly when all of my important needs are already covered? What better way could I possibly spend my money on than ensuring my society is a better place to live?Greedy shits like you that only ever care about muh monni, muh status and always having more and more for themselves disgust me so much. I really hope Americans will wake up from this capitalistic Jewish brainwashing one day.
>>737197187I mean, point it out but don't get too emotional. Your effort is wasted on a spambot that won't even parse your reply.
Is there a single time in recent memory that a corporation's official product hasn't been completely mogged by existing community solutions?
>>737197183It's always the same argument with these vermin isn't it?Their bottom line is always just to ignore the problem and let it get worse since they are not here for sincere debate or solutions. The most pathetic part is they sincerely believe this is all because we merely want to play a shitty game we never liked in the first place, completely failing to understand their approved script is asking for the same thing but not providing the solution that will provide it.It's cartoonishly stupid and evil.
Where did all these views come from on a channel with only 13k subs? Who linked to the vid?
You just know steam etc will be outlawed in europe soon.
>>737197276Shut the fuck up, pussy. Go enable retards somewhere else.
>>737197341There has never been a case where this didn't happen because you're describing basic customer feedback.Even basic shit like Warcraft in the mid 90s would tweak things because of "community solutions"What a dumb post. There's much better ways to mock the indsutry.
>>737196051Why must I be reminded how I friendzoned Heidi, anyway, the new choco girl is looking great.
>>737197553>There has never been a case where this didn't happenThen why hasn't Nintendo patched in the input lag reduction the Ultimate community modded in yet? Isn't the source code for their mod public?
>>737197269It's not greed, it's the fact that j*ws and politicians steal our income so we have to claw back every fucking penny we can manage just to survive.
>>737192287>>737192415>>737192959Lord Moloch WILL turn Earth into a massive torture chamber for His own amusement. It is what He created Earth for.
>>737197349It's always a bunch of defeatist fags who only really want to criticize everything without providing any actual solutions, and when pressed, make it very clear they don't even understand the problem in the first and are just there to complain.>you do something?>"it won't work">it works?>"actually it didn't do anything and it always gonna happen">it doesn't work?>"I told you so">you don't do anything and things get worse?>"nothing we could have done, we just have to suck it up"
>>737178857Doesn't that mean there will probably be less online games being made now? Good.
>>737197352me nigga
>>737197183your problem is "people are buying things I don't like" aka NOT a problemhence no solution to you being a whiny bitch
>>737197967In the short term, no, they're still allowed to do it, but now they have to put a clear label on it.In the long term, yes, as it would be less profitable since people are way less likely to buy a game if they're aware they're purchasing a limited time subscription.>>737198089>misunderstand the problem and shows up only to criticitize the solution
>>737197986Ain't no millions of you nigga.
>>737197967It basically means they will have to choose between>Not making online focused games>Making them always playable with bots even after dropping support>Allowing private server hosting>Switching to monthly subscriptions Literally every single one of these options is an improvement
>>737198380Summed it up pretty well, but that won't stop retards whining about bar analogies or "what about MMOs" when it wasn't about these to begin with. All Ubisoft had to do was to leave The Crew playable in SP mode...Nobody's asking for the full online matchmaking bullshit to be kept (heck, it'd be better for that shit to go down the drain and get replaced with custom servers).For me, the golden example is Splitgate 1. Even with their (dogshit) sequel out, they released a patch that:>changes to P2P connection>gets rid of anticheat shit>unlocks EVERY cosmetic since the store is now closed>added an extra unreleased map for the heck of itThat's how it should be done. And 1047 Games didn' t need a bajillion dollars to make this patch, because let's face it - every game with online component must have some sort of test environment where devs get to tweak and program the thing in the first place. Just get that out for the players, and done.
>>73719863799.9% of all multiplayer capable indie games come with this. If a bunch of nobodies in their bedroom can provide tcp/ip connectivity and self hosting, it should not be an issue for a bigger project.
>>737198864>>737198637>>737198380Post your gamedev portfolio.
>>737178857I've been waiting for this comment to resurface. Blessed anon.
I'm frankly impressed with the progress so far. Feels like it was just weeks ago when the movement was pretty much ignored, until it actually got traction and the companies started screeching about how bad SKG is for them.The moment these shills came out, that's when I knew this wasn't just a fluke.>>737198864Exactly. It was even the standard back in the golden era of PC gaming... Unreal Tournament came with UnrealEd and not only we got cool mods for UT itself, but actually new stuff from scratch (e.g. Alien Swarm). Ditto for Half-Life an Counter-Strike.
>>737198637>but that won't stop retards whining about bar analogies or "what about MMOs" when it wasn't about these to begin with.It's even dumber if you consider that shit like custom servers or bot modes available without online connection was the absolute industry standard even in multiplayer focused games just 15 years ago or so, perhaps even less. This isn't anything new, it's just forcing the devs to go back to extremely basic and simple, but consumer friendly practices which they've decided they can't be assed with any more in the last decade737198951>classic "you cant have an opinion on something if you don't produce it yourself" brainlet take>it hardly even applies to the topic at hand since one of these posts was purely informativeThis is such a pathetic attempt at bait/deflect that I'm not even going to quote it
>>737198951You don't need to be a mechanic to know if a car is functional or not
>>737199316>ugh why won't all these stupid chefs just make it tastier??>I am very intelligent
>>737199398>you need to be a chef to know not to shit on a plate
