>>737185742
You're a robot. Also kill all women.

>>737185742
a twist of the coin

>>737185742
I can't believe there are actual brainlets who don't understand the ending.

>>737185742
The "twist" is that there's no coin toss. Each copy of Simon has their own consciouness, we just happened to follow a single one for most of the game (other than in the intro playing as the original, and the very end, playing as the copy in the ark). The way our copy reacted by being "left behind" is probably the same way that one copy reacted when left behind after you "transferred"(made another copy) to the power suit.

>>737190591
I dont get how this is so hard for people to grasp. The player "transfering" between bodies is just a game play element for the story. Each Simmon is independent

The twist is that they made you expect a deep story and then didn't deliver

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I recall reading a short story in the style of a factual textbook about the history of brain scans and how the technology is abused to create infinite virtual slaves based on a single image of someone's mind, that get conditioned into perform whatever mundane tasks they're assigned (i.e virtually tortured until they comply).

here's your twist:
>simon makes it onto the ark
>catherine finally has her hands on a piece of meat after years of sexual frustration
>uses her admin powers in the simulation to increase his pleasure sensitivity tenfold
>endless rape because morally stunted autism
>simon is not allowed to hibernate, rest, or die

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>>737190675
No. There is a whole school of philosophy called Phenomenology that says otherwise. So if you are part of the 0.1% that read Heidegger and Hegel it was a intresting exploration.

>>737191075
Sounds like this one https://qntm.org/mmacevedo

>>737185881
>t.genetic dead end

>>737191431
I dont give a shit about some guys thought experiment. If I duplicate myself, im not him anymore. Hes his own person just with all my memories. I cant swap between 'selves'

>>737191919
There are huge tomes and interesting lengthy discussions on why you are wrong. But as you said you dont give a shit about some guys thought experiment so kind of a waste of time to talk to you isn't it?
Imagine someone who might be wrong and doesnt give a shit to see other perspectives or why... Grim.

>>737192963
>you're actually wrong
>source: trust me bro

>>737185742
WAU did nothing wrong

>>737193464
If the WAU didn't do anything wrong, why did Simon murder it to save Earth from the apocalyptic demons it would produce?

>>737193519
Because all Simons were retarded.

>>737193519
Non-canon choice

There was already a Catherine.jpg saved on to the Ark, so when Catherinebot copies herself and Simon-III on to the Ark just before launch, did she overwrite the original Catherine brain scan or is there now two Catherines on the Ark? If she overwrote the other Catherine, is that like robot murder?

Did humans escape or all they all dead?

>>737193880
There is no indication that any humans escaped in a way that would facilitate the survival of the human race. Any remaining humans would be in the same situation as Pathos-II, but worse. Waiting to die in a shitty, tiny underwater bunker or floating in a satellite over the burnt corpse of Earth waiting for supplies to run out.

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>>737185742
Why are you guys overcomplicating this discussion and still bring up the coin flip argument? Simon made a copy of his mentality which made it to the arc while the original simon got left stranded at the bottom of the sea. What else is there to discuss?

consciousness is localized and can't be copy pasted, wow amazing.

>>737194018
The original Simon died a sad, meaningless death in Toronto 100 years ago tho

>>737193880
From what I remember the game implies somehow all humans are already dead except that one chick strapped to the chair and life support that you can decide to kill or leave "alive".

>>737185742
No of course not. Everything was obvious from the beginning of the game.

>>737194083
The WAU probably has several dozen people strung up in its rape dungeons in Theta. They're probably technically "alive" until Simon shanks the WAU.

>>737194069
Fine, original simon died. The simon you start as under the sea got stranded on the chair while a new simon continued. That new simon transferred his brain scan to the arc successfully and the two original simons got stranded. Happy?

>>737194229
I haven't been happy in years but I appreciate your clarification.

the twist is that there's a 50% chance you get teleported to the arc the first time but everyone is so unlucky that nobody got it yet

>>737185742
Anyone who told you there was a twist at the end is just as brain damaged as Simon.

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>>737187314
There's literally nothing to be undestood.
The girl already did like 3 or 4 times though the game what would happen, the only retard is the protagonist who doesn't seem to have a frontal lobe developed.
I got to the final scene and said "yep", the game ended and i looked at the credits with a blank stare on how bland and a nothing burguer of a ending that was.

>>737194293
Me neither. I died on jan 9th 2017 kek

>>737194309
In between your silly coin flip baiting, you raise a decent point.
There was probably already a Simon uploaded on to the Ark. Might as well stuff every brain scan you've got into the Ark if you're planning to send it up, even the shitty old legacy brain scans. That means Dr. Munshi probably made it too!

>>737193880
that's the question the game poses to (you), you redundant retard. That is the twist, the whole point of the game, to make you answer it one way or another. THANK YOU for repeating the obvious

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>>737194187
yeah this guy seemed sane enough
highly augmented by gel but still a human with a functioning mind of his own

>>737194187
... and? They deserved it.

Devs were unfair to WAY. There are no reason for it to torture people instead of just sedating them to conserve energy.

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>>737194309
No retard, there was never a 50/50 thing, you ALWAYS go on and stay at the same time.
This happened though out the game many times, you're leaving other ((you's)) behind all the time, and this was explained multiple times.
The only difference is that on the last one we see the pov of the mind who got left behind intead of the one who moved on.

>>737194516
That's what it does though. We never see the WAU actively torture anyone. It shoves them into some wall goo and has them dream.

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>>737185881
catherine is canonically and spiritually a 2d girl

>>737185742
reminder Simon literally has brain damage and the game straight up says so. Anyone who thinks there is a coin flip is literally as stupid as the character written to be a mongoloid.

The WAU is just a metaphor for natural selection. Kill it or don't, you're just choosing between evolution by natural selection 1.0 and 2.0

If you are Christian and you found yourself in a Pathos-II situation would you just say "this is proof God doesn't exist, oh well." ??

>>737194439
What was with him anyway?
He could fucking teleport, and survived the pressure of the depths bare naked with no issue
Easily an upgrade from his human form, why did he want the wau gone?

>>737193519
>these lifeforms are demons because I think they look icky
Brainlet take. The WAU will save life on Earth.

>>737194427
touch grass incel FREAK

>>737194738
You can indefinitely present anything as God's plan that's the point.

>>737194751
Based on what he says, existing in the zombie structure gel state is like being in Hell. Constant, eternal suffering with no end in sight.
But at least you can walk around on the ocean floor I guess.

>>737193464
>stole brain scans of people and then put them in immobile robots causing excess suffering
>straight up killed people on purpose by exploding their heads and making shit explode on them
>infecting wildlife with structure gel and shit which would arguably hamper actual biological evolution from happening
>now jamming together various robot parts and cumming on them with structure gel to make mobile abominations that think they are people and run around wildly in horrible, unimaginable suffering
How many Simons did the WAU make that just went insane immediately and died?

>>737185742
Humanity managed to live happily ever after as electronic copies of themselves

>>737194916
>How many Simons did the WAU make that just went insane immediately and died?
Not enough. Simons need more torture to fix his retardation.

>>737194846
You can just say it's a dishonest situation because God wouldn't let things get that bad. You don't have to accept a fictional situation that could only happen if God isn't real has to be covered by Christianity.

>>737194894
>like being in Hell. Constant, eternal suffering with no end in sight
sounds like real life right now

>>737195096
>God wouldn't let things get that bad.
Wait till you find out about this thing called Noah's Ark and the Great Flood.

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>>737185742
>Lore dump : The video game.
>Spends 80% of the game walking around reading stuff and listening to audios.
>Spends 10% resolving puzzles
>Spends 10% actual monster gameplay

Are you the same you moment to moment? The arrangement of the matter in your brain is different every time. You sure as hell aren't the same as you were 10 years ago. Or maybe all of this makes no sense, since (You) don't exist in a single moment, but are a 4-dimensional brane that begins upon your creation and ends upon your dissolution.

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>>737195078
Total Canadian Death

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>>737195186
And that's a good thing.

>>737195158
it's like noah's ark but all the actual humans are dead and not all but Noah and his wife and kids

>>737192963
>huge tomes
And they are just that. Its a thought, nothing more.
If I pirate a game, I didnt steal it, I made a duplicate. While its identical to the master record, it isnt the master record.
Same with us, if I duplicate myself, i cant shoot me 1 and wake up to pilot me 2.

>>737195186
The monster gameplay is actually shit, so it's almost a blessing.
The main problem I had with it is the main question of "WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A MAN? ARE YOU STILL YOU IN A COMPUTER???" is the dumbest fucking thing ever and didn't give me anything to think about.

>>737195235
I am the same me in the sense that I cannot return to any of those previous versions. That guy is dead and I am the new me. Tomorrow, I will be dead and he will be the new me
But there is only ever one me

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>>737185742
What if I believe everything has a soul? Including digital copies?

>>737192963
Also, the reason I dont care to read it is because ive already read a lot of the material. I find it interesting and nothing more

>>737185881
The protagonist ended up having women's bodies, yet in his mind he was a man. Does this mean he troon?

>>737195379
I still find it funny that there are people that cannon comprehend the concept of copy and pasting when applied to themselves.

mildly interesting short story sci-fi concept turned into a shitty video game. the only thing interesting about the concept is that they just ran with it straight instead of trying to finesse something more out of it, like simon running into older copies of himself somehow

>>737195526
The lady body is dead and is producing no hormones. His mind is simulating regular male hormones. Simonbots are just men who are moving corpses with tits.

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>>737195316
I would be if the lore was actually interesting*
It starts really strong, then becomes dragged and retarded, the beta one seemed to be a lot more surrealistic and going all in on the crazyness, to bad we've got the boring "grounded" explanation version.

>>737185742
this game fucking SUCKED
baby's first transferred consciousness READ A FUCKING SCI FI BOOK

>>737195443
shit in one hand, hold souls in the other, see which fills up first

>>737195434
>10% of it is trash and 80% of it is retarded.
My exacly thought too, i fucking hate that retarded protag.

>>737195680
99% of sci fi books never bother exploring it.

>>737195640
So if I chemically stop the production of hormones in my body then I can claim to be whatever gender I want?

>>737195889
That would kill you.
So yes, if you did that, you could claim whatever you want.

>>737185742
It really should have been a 50/50 chance between getting the good ending and getting the bad ending.

I'd be best bros with myself if a copy of me was made.
If he has the capacity to process my memories just like I do, then the copy is no different from me. Both of us are me, and the copy will think the same. However, our lives will be diverging from the moment the copying happens, and we will be experiencing different things from then on.
My memories and experiences are what make me, me.

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>>737195983
The other you would murder you to be the only you.
There can be only one.

>>737195983
>Simon 2 kicks down the door
>"2, you magnificent son of a bitch!"

>>737196045
Nah, I know myself
I'd never do that, therefore he'd never do that.

>>737195772
You've read 100% of sci-fi books?
Arthur C Clarke wrote about it in the 50s

>>737195983
MY OWN CLONE.

>>737196163
Now neither of us will be virgins

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So does that mean we're just meat puppets, and that our consciousness and memories are just brain activities...

>>737195685
Human science is too limited to conclude whether there are gods or an afterlife.

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>>737196451
You are your soul, your animating spirit.

>>737196451
The game assumes that but no one really knows. If you’re an optimist you would believe that consciousness is very special and all of us have souls. If you’re a pessimist you might as well kys right now.

>>737195542
Exactly. For their idea to work, both minds would have to be tethered. Only one could be activated at a time.
One would be in a stasis with its mind totally blank but with the exact same physical structure as Master 1. But even then, you cant just copy over to the new version. It would activate once Master 1 dies, but still you wouldnt go with it

>>737196451
Obviously yes but there's absolutely no reason to think what the game does can ever be technologically possible

>>737196451
hey anon can you do something for me pretty please

>>737196451
there's no basis for the impossibility of recreating the consciousness through chemical reactions and electric pulses, it's just incredibly difficult and the prevailing hypothesis is that the consciousness resides somewhere we can't detect.

>>737196617
christfag cope

>>737196451
>and that our consciousness and memories are just brain activities
Since both can be corrupted or wiped by damage to the brain, it logically follows that's where they emerge from. Makes you wonder what is even left of the soul once you take away your memories, instincts, and inherited proclivities.

>>737196674
There's absolutely no reason to think it WON'T be technologically possible.

>>737195443
as it stands, "souls" are not much more than an esoteric concept with a composition varies from individual to individual
aka noncognitivism

>>737196825
i really doubt that consciousness singularly "resides" somewhere
it's very likely a sum of all parts
while it is theoretically possible to simulate the neuronal activity of the brain it would take the entire world's computing power working in concert

>>737196937
It would likely be a complete waste of time if not actually possible to take a high enough resolution picture of a brain to make your high school piano lessons show up on when you could just plug how to piano in

>>737195961
You get both, retard

>>737195680
>transferred consciousness
Its a digital copy paste, nothing gets transfered besides a bunch of data.

there was a coin toss

>>737195680
>transferred consciousness
Simon, you are retarded. And having brain damage is no excuse!

>>737196972
well yeah, there's always going to be things outside of human knowledge. otherwise there wouldn't be dark matter calculations.

>>737185742
That is correct

I know most cointossfags are trolling for (You)s but you have to think every now and then there is a real anon as retarded as Simon, the terminally brain damaged Canadian.

>>737196862
The concept of a soul isn’t exclusive to christianity. Christfags live rent free in your head.

>>737191802
there's no need to be homophobic

>>737197378
is it gone now

>>737198000
did it land on its edge?

>replayed the whole game
>got the same ending
What do you have to do in order to get the good ending?

>>737196937
It would probably be unimaginably easier just to make some LLM-based AI pretend to be you based on a bunch of samples rather than copy your actual brain contents in any real way.

>>737185742
The "twist" is that simon is an early brainscan. A fucking flatscan. He is incapable of true learning- he does not have the parts.

Everyone else was scanned with much later and better technology, and the ones who are sane demonstrate a HUGE gap in reasoning power between themselves and simon.

>>737198121
smash Catherine's face with a hammer

>>737198403
They're also mad scientists while even fully original intact Simon was just some guy

What does the WAUssy feel like?
Maybe all these nerds wouldn't have killed themselves on the most retarded interpretation of continuity if they had a pocket WAU pussy / dildo.

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FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

>>737195983
Would you suck your clone's dick? Your copy would know where it hits right

>>737198548

Some guy with brain damage as well. So the robot Simon is basically a very early brain scan of some normal guy in canada with brain damage. It's not really surprising he can't comprehend his situation especially under stress. If that shit happened to me, I'd think it'll take a while to really dawn on robot me after all the shock and bullshit that happens in the game.

>>737198787
Yeah, ez

>>737194315
the game literally tells you it ends in a twist, on the back of the newspaper clipping in simons apartment it says "GAME ENDS IN TWIST" right there in your face

>>737198362

We're already halfway there, there's already a endless swarm of bots shitposting on here. They just need to be given fast food and be able to independently jerk off to degenerate shit and you basically got the average anon functioning.

To be fair, the twist is that we've been playing as Simon III, you follow his conciousness in the transfer so it was natural to assume you'd get to see Simon IV, that gets shown post credits anyway but the main plot of the game was following III's conciousness.

>>737185742
Just depression

>>737194018
>>737194723
>the coinflip cope is so stupid guys, only a brain damaged digital ghost could fall for it!
>meanwhile IRL techbros are planning to freeze their brains so they can get scanned in the future using the same cope as well as several other copes piled on top of it to pretend this will work

>>737199463
Yes, brain damaged. Your point?

They should've made a short movie about Simon 2 getting reactivated after the game's ending and just throwing a Citizen Kane-style temper tantrum as PATHOS II is approaching it's final collapse and destruction