>Many modern games can’t function without a backend because core systems like economies, matchmaking, progression, and live events live on the server side.>That’s not some conspiracy to “destroy” games. It’s a design choice to make certain types of experiences possible. For example:>Dynamic worlds that react to player actions.>Server-side anti-cheat to protect online play.>Shared economies and global leaderboards.>And let’s be real: the reason companies “withhold vital components” isn’t always to screw players over. It’s often because:>Server code contains proprietary tech that studios can’t legally or safely release.>Publishing server code opens up security risks and potential exploits.>Licenses and third-party tech sometimes can’t be shared publicly due to legal agreements.>The idea that shutting off a server equals “destroying a game” also ignores that some games simply aren’t playable without a live player base. You can’t “repair” an online-only game into a single-player experience without rewriting huge parts of it.https://medium.com/@northenfreyja/stop-killing-games-is-misleading-e7770089fd79
SKG is an eceleb worship cult and should be banned from /v/ or banished to /mlp/ or some other board for undesirables
the only reason anybody opposes SKG is because of Ross's appearance
Not my problem.
>>737186469>core systems like economies, matchmaking, progression, and live events
>>737186469stfu malcuckius
>>737186469>Many modern games can’t function without a backend because core systems like economies, matchmaking, progression, and live events live on the server side.Many modern AAA/GAS slop you mean.
>>737186469SKG fags know this and want to erode these functions in the future. i'm sure this thread will be full of:>but [random pc game from 2007] can do dynamic worlds just fine without server calls
yes everyone over the ager of 15 already knew this>Doom 1 matchmaking still works so therefore every other game shouldn't have modern featuresOf course since supporters are 15 they actually believe this and will post a gigachad or some other dead meme
>>737186469fuck off suit, it's happening.
>>737186469>whole week of contrarian ragebaiting
>>737186469seethe
>>737186731>Doom 1 matchmaking
>>737186469So make an offline version of it or give players the tools to host their own servers if you pull the plug.
>"I don't understand or am disingenuous"
>>737186469>chatgpt make up a list of arguments to bait retards on /v/ about the stop killing games campaign, make no mistakes, thanks
>>737186469>Shared economiesyou meant lootboxes and microtransactions in p2w schemes
games are hosted on serversjust give people all the files that you host servers withit's as simple as that
If your code base isn't a dysfunctional shitfest of spaghetti, you can open source it when you don't want to host a server(50$ a month) anymore...
I dont get it why would literally any real person be against it? we had the threads for over a year now and Ive yet to hear a single fucking argument
>>737186950>..., thanksLMFAO FUCKING KEK SLAVE
>>737186469>EU passes some gay bullshit laws like they always do>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gamesGreat going you fucking retards. Pirate Software may be a raging faggot nepobaby retard but he's 100% right about this.
>>737186469>That’s not some conspiracy to “destroy” games. It’s a design choice to make certain types of experiences possible.I can do without the experience of getting access to a game I spent money on being revoked. Thanks though.Hope you figure out how comply with those regulations before your next game lol.
>just recreate the serverWow so hard even the tendies can do it with the DS/3DS online they revived despite Nintendo's secrecy
You can tell how scared the usual suspects are by how retarded their takes have gotten.
>>737187061>>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online componenI'm sure that's going to happen
>>737187061>>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuityBest possible outcome.
>dude if we implement construction legislation outlawing a bad structural practice, it will become impossible to build new housesNo, it will become impossible to build *those kinds of houses* with that particular structural problem. Good. Fuck 'em. That's the whole point.
>>737186919But Anon, no multi billion global game corporation could possibly afford that, think of the workers who are being forced to do so much more work just for your entiteled ass to be able to keep playing games no one else cares about forever. I coulnt think of any other contrarian bullshit to make this longer.
>>737186469tl;drGo to ragezone, you'll find a lot of MMOs that are playable both locally and/or a private server grift
>>737186469>You can’t “repair” an online-only game into a single-player experience without rewriting huge parts of it.>Sim City 2013 flat out will not work offline, trust ushow many times has this been proven to be a lie now?
>>737187061>because they will have to support the game in perpetuityThey don't you idiot they need to give others the oportunity to do it if they so choose to try and do it.
>>737186469>>Many modern games can’t function without a backend because core systems like economies, matchmaking, progression, and live events live on the server side1. Not my problem2. This wasn't anybody's problem before live service bullshit became norm, and will not be anybody's problem after live service bullshit is outlawed3. Burn in hell bootlicker
>>737187059My argument is that commies will never get my server side code no matter how hard they try, I better not shit to yuropoor than letting them steal my code for free.Learn to reverse engineer if you want to make your own private servers.Other than that, just don't play live service slop.
>>737187017The issue that article mentions (which is a real issue and not something evil capitalists invented right now to justify shutting down Stop Killing Games) is that in some cases companies cannot legally do that, because they themselves are licensees of some of the software they are using.
>>737186469Ross won.Gamers won.Publishers lost.
>>737187061>make mmorpg>put "browse servers" button in the "multiplayer" menu>put "host server" button available for the playerDone. Easy.
>>737186469>That’s not some conspiracy to “destroy” games.yes it is
>>737186534Corporate bootlickers like you get the rope.
>>737187325Oh no!Anyway...
>>737186469>Server code contains proprietary tech that studios can’t legally or safely release.Every single open source release always strips out any proprietary code or software. This is not an argument. This is you being a lazy faggot.
>>737187313Then don't make live service slop
I can already host and play WoW in solo, why can't we force them to make it for every games ?
>>737187189The comments in that article are like this and it's sickening. Just one big industry shill circlejerk.
>>737186540Even if Ross were a cute anime girls with big boobs, the shills would still find something else to attack about him.The only thing that can please corpo bootlickers is corpo dick.
>>737187451These companies don't have any magic solution, if anything they are just stealing code from someone else and thats why they don't want to share
>>737187061>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGStrue fact. so true its already true.
>>737186469>author has an ai generated profile picture
>>737187375Hiding behind fighting the jews to justify your eboyfriend worship.
>>737186469>That’s not some conspiracy to “destroy” games. It’s a design choice to make certain types of experiences possible. For example: the experience of not owning your purchased games.Fuck off.
>NOOOOOOOOOO THINK OF THE BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONTotal corop death.
>>737187451Why should they be required to release anything at all? Why shouldn't you be required to go through the effort of setting up the private server yourself?
>>737187248There is "game just check your license online or refuse to work" wich is trivially to bypass and the "the server controls where the enemies are, how the damage is calculated, its where the data is stored and practically every script runs server side just running a hollow frontend on your pc" kind of games.The later need an active server program or local program to handle most of the game logic.
>>737187059Because there isn't. People generally have no idea what they're talking about it and instead of informing themselves they base opinions on assumptions. To this day some have this wrong idea what SKG is trying to accomplish.
Don't like following rules? Don't make games and sell them.Simple as.
>>737186691>>737186709>>737186725>>737186919>>737187061I just made this thread with an AI and you fell for it, so easy!
>>737186469hilarious how he's acting like refactoring code takes any effort at all in the age of AI
>>737187616>Make private server >Get suedokay retard
>>737187621>and the "the server controls where the enemies are, how the damage is calculated, its where the data is stored and practically every script runs server side just running a hollow frontend on your pc" kind of games.I'm gonna need some examples, anon. Because that was exactly the SimCity bullshit EA tried to fool people into thinking it was real when it was actually just a smoke screen.
>>737186469
>>737187621>and the "the server controls where the enemies are, how the damage is calculated, its where the data is stored and practically every script runs server side just running a hollow frontend on your pc" kind of games.So you mean the kind of games you cant own. Good. The sooner this cancerous practice dies, the better.
>>737187061good, exactly what my representatives voted for
>>737186469>core systems like economies, matchmaking, progression, and live events>economiesDon't matter anymore when the game is out of support. There are no more consumers to actively fleece by twisting the knobs to game the ingame 'economy' and make certain high-demand, 'low-supply' items cost more. Configure flat rates on a final patch. Problem solved.>matchmakingDisable it and allow players to choose themselves who to join a lobby with or against. Problem solved.>progression?? And single player games don't or can't feature player progression, *how* exactly?>live eventsThey're random in nature anyway - which means the core experience is already developed to be able to work with or without them. So just disable them in a final patch. Problem solved.
>SKG chuds be like, remake it into a single player game for free
>>737186469Alright fuck it, I'll bite.>proprietary tech>publishing server code>licensingThese are non-issues because nobody is asking for the code itself to be released. That would be nice, but in the ~1 minute long clip of moldman putting forward the motion, probably less time than you spent typing up this post, he explains that any compromise solution is fine and all parties involved should be comfortable with the solution. Such as releasing documentation only.For example, that an API endpoint is expecting a request with a specific header or JSON body, which then should be saved to a database. It's not required to publish the endpoint or API code, the server's code, or even the database structure. If, say, the company has a proprietary solution over slave and master databases where a write operation must be followed by a grace period while the data is proxied to the slave db, and therefore your caller must account for that time period before querying the other endpoint to retrieve the saved data - none of this needs to be published information. People will figure out their own database solutions based on the docs the company is comfortable with publishing without legal issues.There. Now choke on a dick for making me reply to bait.
>>737187721Sims was just the license check.Running server side thing is shit like every MMOs (never ran your own Ragnarok Online server? I did and was fun), diablo 3/4 comes to mind too.
>>737187804Reminder that shartoids are underaged and should be instapermabanned
Zoomers really are all commies that can be tricked into giving away more power to their rulers over a game like The Crew. The future looks grim.
Live service game are a scam,
>>737187754You don't own any game ever, just different kind of licenses to play them. Yes everything since atari/nes cartridges
>>737186469>That’s not some conspiracy to “destroy” the AAA industry. It’s a design choice to make certain types of anti-consumer fleecing impossible.
>>737187325Oh no, if that practice gets snuffed out too developers will have to make things in-house instead of all "licensing" the same slop for their projects. Think of all the uniquely crafted end products and job positions for actual technical talent. Sounds horrible.Or the people providing essentially building materials for other contractors have to think about a new way to distribute what they make in a way that can´t illegally screw over the end user. Good. Just good.
>>737186469And that hasn't stopped emulated servers for almost 25 years. Just released the server tools after shutting down the servers, and there won't be a problem.
>>737187061>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gamesI see this as an absolute win
>>737187918The EU says otherwise. Now face the wall, kike.
>>737187857And yet. Ubisoft could have just used the built in offline mode they refused to use because they wanted $$$. This is Ubisoft's fault. Like everything they ever did. COPE
>>737187918You can play NES cartridges without internet though
>>737186469>systems like economies, matchmaking, progression, and live events live on the server side.LOL:LMAO even! All of this fits on 3 long excell sheets. I am not even memeing. Servers do NOTHING other than facilitate publishers full control over games and giving them the ability to kill them on a whim. Also give's them the ability to push predatory microtransactions.
>>737186469>erm shutting a game off remotely isnt killing a game, players not playing the game kills a gameAnd when you force the playercount to 0 because you've remotely disabled the game......
>>737186469>It's a design choiceYeah the wrong choice, if you can't offer people server client then you have no business making a multiplayer game.
>>737187061>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayerI'm not hearing any downsides yet?
>>737187989Yes, because you own a license to play it that way and you own the physical cartridge. You however don't own the game.
Yes, destroy AAA games.Yes, destroy live service MMO and gacha trash games.Yes, destroy ALL multiplayer games that don't allow private/community servers.I want all of this, and a little more too.
I want more games to die.
>>737186469>people think this is about MMORPGs and not gacha games when people realize they can get all the shit for free after the game fails
>>737186469>core systems like>economiesnot relevant for anything that isn't an mmo>matchmakinga worse mechanic than a server list>progressionalso known as a save file on your computer>live events livenot required for a game to function>Dynamic worlds that react to player actionslike Minecraft? that doesn't require a dedicated central server>Server-side anti-cheatnone of your business once you decide to no longer support the game>opens up security risks and potential exploitssuch as?>Licenses and third-party tech sometimes can’t be shared publiclyget better legal agreements or remove those techs before you decide to stop supporting the game>ignores that some games simply aren’t playable without a live player basethat is a hypotethical and minuscule percentage of games and not representative of the objective number of killed games that should've been allowed to function without a dedicated central server. and if your game trully can't exist without a daddy server handling everything, then offer it as a paid subscription and not a purchaseable good>You can’t “repair” an online-only game into a single-player experiencelike SimCity 2013? like The Crew? like the 275 games in this list that have been "repaired" either by the devs themselves or by fans reverse-engineering them?https://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_list
>>737187325then give eol games a special clause that lets them do that so the faggot license shit can fuck off
>>737188063But you do though. Just like you own a book. You can't try to pass it off as your own work and sell it as such but you can scribble on it, tear pages out of it or set it on fire because it is your property.
>>737186469The issues stem from selling a service as a product.The Crew was sold on the shelf as a product, but does not disclose that by purchasing the physical good you are only purchasing a license to operate the software, whilst the software remains operational on their terms, and that license can be revoked by the company at any time.
>>737187184Even with regulation we are seeing a new golden age of construction auditing where homes even with all the supposed code enforcement are straight up unsafe to live in
PLEASE PLEASE PASS SKG We have to force devs to make real games again.
>>737188063And? SKG isn't about owning games, it's about playing them offline after EoS
>>737188119wow you're so knowledgeable about game design when does your game come out?
This is the best the corporations have to offer?Same absolutely retarded arguments as day 1 of SKG.Ross won.Gamers won.Corporations and their subhuman shills lost.
>>737187918>You don't own any game ever, just different kind of licenses to play them.In the EU games are classified as a creative work and you own the copy you buy as property. The license terms are little more than additional terms of sale and cannot hinder the irrovocable right of use that you are conferred through ownership of the copy by law.
>>737187918EU says I own my game tho
>>737188119>mfw Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp was somehow preserved by Nintendo of all companies
>>737186534Last time you tried to ban a movement on here it ended up with Trump getting elected.
>>737188137turn it around
>>737186469Core issue is people don't care until it's a game THEY actually care about getting killed, and then it's usually too late. This is something everyone should support if only in principle to future proof their favorite games.
>>737186534Cope retard. 99 percent of SKG threads are about the topic itself, hardly anyone talks about his reviews these days.
>>737188269None of that says anything about the game itself needing you to be connected to the internet at all times. Nobody reads "Online features" and thinks "All features:
>>737188135You're burning the cartridge not the game though.>>737188195>>737188224You own the cartridge of the game.You don't own the game.Take your time to properly understand this.
It's interesting this is also happening in games when GPLv3 is actively being evaded by companies also abusing the client/server model to only run code on their sideIt's a deliberate choice to make games this way and hostile to their customers
>>737186469GOOD SHIT
Frankly I think MMOs shouldn't be allowed to charge per expansion while still requiring the service fee, that's pretty bullshit
>>737188346The game is on the cartridge that you own and you are free to do whatever you like with it short of copying it.
>>737188063The cartridge is a physical copy that the player owns. Nintendo cannot break into your home and take it back without breaking the law. You can alter and change any and all data on the cartridge as you see fit and with the right tools. Therefore, you have ownership of that game. It's really just that simple. Please stop trying to overcomplicate the matter.
>>737188269>Ubisoft may cancel access to one or more specific online featuresand somehow that translates into completely shutting down every facet of the game, including offline play? good one, shill
>>737188269Read it again. Need online to access online features is different from "You need online at all" to play the gameI can play Street fighter 6 offline if I want. I literally can't do that with the Crew. That's the entire fucking issue
Let us presuppose this movement fails, that gaming crashes because of it.The companies and fans will (rightly) get the law appeal. With how quick this movement came, it can quickly be repealed.At worst is one-three years of shit shows before back to business.
>>737188418>short of copying itSo you don't own it....
>>737188248They never tried to ban election tourist, retarded faggot.
>>737188471You own that copy.
>>737187061posted it again award
>retard posts an excerpt written by some literally who faggot on a glorified blogspot >100 replies within 30 minutes Why is this board so easy to bait?
>>737186469>Licenses and third-party tech sometimes can’t be shared publicly due to legal agreements.EU Directive 2019/770, Article 10:> Where a restriction resulting from a violation of any right of a third party, in particular intellectual property rights, prevents or limits the use of the digital content or digital service in accordance with Articles 7 and 8, Member States shall ensure that the consumer is entitled to the remedies for lack of conformity provided for in Article 14If third-party licensing restrictions prevents you as a consumer from being able to continue to play the copy of the game you purchased, the trader is liable to have that fixed. And if they can't or won't then the consumer may terminate the contract at which point they are owed back the full original purchase sum. The trader then has a right of redress against the publisher and can sue them for the damages.Publishers would have to be incredibly bone-headedly stupid to cite licensing problems as the reason for terminating access to (parts of) a game, because it means they can hand back the earnings they made on said game - making for a zero sum game.
>>737188443Its worth stating that Ross has multiple times expressed in his game dungeon videos that he isnt expecting every game to maintain a playerbase and that Required X character raids and content should have to be playable, but rather that at the very least he can run around the gameworld, which is more than fair particularly for a game like the crew or darkspore
>>737186469blah blah blah corposhill blah blah blah>many modernbullshit. the "true" mmos that do what op says are corner cases and fraction of total, therefore fail as an argument. fuall the rest just uses accounts and shiet only to hold your save file hostage
>>737188420>You can alter and change any and all data on the cartridgelmao this nigger doesn't know what ROM memory stand for
>>737188503It's a hot topic at the moment.
>>737188418You can copy it for personal use, you just can't resell that copy, it's why emulator can exist.
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>>737188503The retard is some Japanese dude mad over a gahca. That doesn't matter because it's still the same fucking bullshit arguments all over again
>>737188476It was Gamergate.
>>737188137It's still fucking hilarious to me The Crew was the game that started this entire thing.
>>737188565You can sell your copy to someone else if you want to but you can't make copies to sell.
>>737188503because SKG is the only meaningful videogame discussion in this entire website. every other thread is shitposting about random shit, goonbait threads for indias to jerk off, flavor of the month generals, or console wars
>>737188457And so we reach the bargaining state.
>>737188631>but you can't make copies to sell.so you can make copies for other reasons
>>737188675Yes under fair use.
>>737188554In most cases it's a couple server racks running a single EXE. Devs really like to pretend they're masters of the arcane.If WoW can do private servers, your shitty live service game can do private servers
>>737188346You own the copy of the game. It doesn't even have to have a physical carrier.E.g. if you'd buy a copy through Steam, you still own an instance of the ephemeral bytes that make up the game.Your ownership of the copy of the game confers on you law, by law, a right of use - i.e. the right to be able to use that purchased copy for its intended purpose (i.e. to play it). That right of use is irrevocable. Any attempt to do so is obstruction at best, and vandalism and/or destruction of property at worst.
>>737186469>>SKGALRIGHT, TIME FOR AWARDS
>>737186469I want people who write shit like what OP posted and linked undergo guillotine height reduction procedure
>>737188617All other corporations are hating on Ubisoft right now because of Ubisoft all other corporations will also have to stop fucking over consumers.
>>737188725You own the copy of the game (a license to use an executable and all data needed to play it)You don't own the game (ip, rights, assets, characters, story, design)Is that more clear to you?
>>737188675IIRC some old PC games ask you only make 3 or so copies max for backup purposes
>>737188557Irrelevant. The point stands. The owner can do whatever the owner wants with the cartridge as the owner sees fit. You nor Nintendo can do fuck all about it.That's ownership. Don't like it? Don't sell shit.
>core systems like economies, matchmaking, progression, and live events
>>737188720>a single EXEAnd a database solution And a load balancer solution And cryptography solutions
>>737188887Yeah, thanks for proving my point, you can do whatever you want with the cartridge and still you don't own the game.
>>737188979All of those already exist and are available to everyone. Most devs just use basic aws
>>737188868No shit. SKG ensures you maintain ownership of all the data needed to play the copy of the game you purchased. Why is this objectionable?
>>737188269>>737188345This is a better picThe problem with using the crew for the example of this shit is that the box always said it was onlineSo basically consumer buys game without looking at the box, consumer signs terms without reading them, the devs shutdown the game after 10 years, consumer is upset that the online only game they bought is goneThis is the kind of shit that makes governments childproof everything, much to the annoyance of adults
>>737188979>a databaseWAOWWW IS THAT A SPREADSHEET WITH.....INFORMATION!?!?!?!? >load balancerIts not doing anything anyway>cryptographyIn your dreams, not one GAAS game released in the last 10 years hasn't been busted wide open with retarded easy trainers
>>737189029You do though. You don't own the concept of Super Mario but you do down your copy of Super Mario and can modify it in any way you see fit.
>>737186469>many modern games can't function without the ball and chain deliberately put on them in the form of 3rd party services and DRM>publishers aren't destroying games because I called it something else>games can't have an end of life plan because it's too hard>you NEED other players to enjoy these games don't you understandCool arguments chatGPT, do you have any good ones?
>>737189029Are you genuinely retarded? The owner owns the cartridge and therefore the game. Quit conflating the two points. If Nintendo wants the game back, they'll have to break in and take it. It's not theirs anymore. They sold it and therefore gave up the rights to it. Which company is paying you to say this by the way?
>>737186469>>Many modern games can’t function without a backend because core systems like economies, matchmaking, progression, and live events live on the server side.Literally not my problem.>You can’t “repair” an online-only game into a single-player experience without rewriting huge parts of it.Better get to work then.
>>737189029But he does own it.
>>737189214>>737189163The guy you're arguing with has typed the same exact reply to every single post, I don't know what makes you think that's going to change
>>737186469>Publishing server code opens up security risks and potential exploits.fix your shit code then assholes
Oh god farming (you)s is easy as shit in this thread, later anons, keep the good fight.
Anyone else noticed a sudden up tick in anti SKG threads since Ross went to the EU? How curious...
>>737187059People are worried that it's going to mean games they like get shuttered for non compliance rather than them actually spending the time/money adding client servers.
>>737189089>much to the annoyance of adultsIn this case you mean jews
>>737189354That's retarded because SKG isn't retroactive anywayThe whole "SKG WILL END LIVE SERVICE GAMES FOREVER AND FORCE DEVS TO MAINTAIN 20 YEAR OLD GAMES FOREVER UNTIL THE END OF TIME" is fanfiction. Based fanfiction but still fanfiction
>>737186469Sounds like a bunch of cope to justify bad game design.
>>737186469>>Many modern games can’t function without a backend because core systems like economies, matchmaking, progression, and live events live on the server side.Yes and this is a bad thing.
>>737189089Doesn't really matter, the original point was just to have a bare minimum length of expected support like "it's work for at least 2 years"Now that it went to the EU it stopped being about schoolyard battles trying to nitpick shit in some random made up rule in the EULA. They're just saying that devs being able to kill a game suck and they don't want it.Also The Crew has a offline mode so it's even more hilarious that jewbisoft decided to die on that hill instead of just activating the offline mode
>>737189337well obviously, since SKG became news again
>>737189337>nothing happened for a while>people stopped talking since nothing new happening>something happened again>people start talking about it again>HMMMMMM, HOW CURIOUS...
>>737186469>Dynamic worlds that react Nothing to do with online>Server-side anti cheatNo anti cheat needed if you are not hosting the game>Shared economiesName one>Global leaderboardsAlways hacked and you just disable them>Server code contains propietary techMore often than not it doesnt>Publishing server code opens security risksYou are literally taking down the servers, not like your dogshit fucking servers are military grade anyways>Legal agreementsBetween? You and you?
Ross will do it
>>737189337the jews are afraid.
>>737186469>ears below eye levelthat's a kikeeurotards are once again being pied pipered by a fucking yid into their own destruction, it would be hilarious if it was happening to 100% nonwhite people, fortunately (or in this case, unfortunately) europistan isn't fully nonwhite yet, it's almost there though
>>737186469>can’t functionIf a bunch of nerds with no access to the source code can figure out how to make a server emulator then the people who made the game will manage. It's like car manufacturers saying that they aren't sure if making cars would still be possible if seatbelts became mandatory.
>>737186469Disingenuous and retarded
>>737186469>Maldavius fagtree now posts on vee after his Pragmata stream imploded.
>>737189337They are sending the best astroturfers money can buy while not convincing a single person who isn't paid to tow the company line.
>>737189089Again>online features, play online, or unlock exclusive contentIt does not actually say>you must be online at all times to play this game
>>737186469>t. Malding Fagtree
>Is an "OP chooses to being dishonest" episode
>>737189467It's fine really, all of that can run on a single PC along with the game and let you play with 2-3 friends without exploding.Hell a lot of god awful modern games do that like Minecraft when you play local coop
wouldn't be a problemIF COMPANIES RELEASED THE CODE FOR THE SERVERS
>>737186469>like economies, matchmaking, progression, and live events live on the server side.Good. Now make the software available so that paid customers can host their own game.>Dynamic worlds that react to player actions.Can be done on the client side easy >Server-side anti-cheat to protect online play.Anti cheat can be on client side. >Shared economies and global leaderboards.Clients can share their economics, and check leaderboards on 4chan just fine.>Server code contains proprietary tech that studios can’t legally or safely release.So don't use propertiery tech. Problem solved.>Publishing server code opens up security risks and potential exploits.Give examples of this.>Licenses and third-party tech sometimes can’t be shared publicly due to legal agreements.Stop using third party tech. Or pay the third parties to release their code. >some games simply aren’t playable without a live player baseWhat games aren't playable without a live player base. Give examples.
>>737186469You don't need to release server code. You can just have an offline mode, even if it is a much worse experience. It isn't a monumental task if you design with that in mind from the start.
>>737186469Architect your software from the ground up to work without online when the game sunsets. All there is too it.>b-but that means we poor company would need to work and come up with solutions and spend money on that tho!!!!And? That's literally how everything work in any business. New problems and regulations come up, you adapt and find solutions. 5 years and there will be Wwise or Havoc or DRM -like generic solution packs for company to implement in your game to have it offline.>b-but indie devs tho!!!Somebody will write a free or dirt cheap tech for that too.
>>737186469>lota bullshit wordsjust name a single terminated game from the past decade that deserves to be kept alive.Just 1. I'll wait.
>>737189848All of them
Zoomers deserve nothing but contempt for allowing this to happen.
>>737189790>just give out your intellectual proprerty for free!die, commie
>>737189848Multiple of my favorite games
>>737187635I know exactly what I'm talking about. The argument is simple: I do not and will not share the server binaries under any circumstances, even if it means I have to block the EU from playing it. (Although of course, I'm not some kind of game studio, so I don't make live service games in the first place).It's that simple
>>737189917>die, commie>Ohhh I love it when bobby kotick shoves his cock up my asshole yeah You know how retarded you sound?
>>737189917saar
>>737189953>Don't release the server>Fans make one themselves instead>Since you didn't release it in the EU they are able to release it themselves for free on steamThat would be amazing
>>737189937>Can't name a single one Concession accepted.
>>737190089>Fans make one themselves instead
>>737190089If you actually made a server implementation yourself, that would be fine by me
>>737187325Then just release the files you own and explain how you need this other software to run the servers. Or eat shit and fund freeware solutions to standard problems.
>>737189953>under any circumstancesJail is is then. Lets see if getting raped in jail helps you release server code.
>>737186469>Server code contains proprietary tech that studios can’t legally or safely release.>Publishing server code opens up security risks and potential exploits.just release binaries instead of source code once the game diesproblem solved
I DON'T CARE!I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™ (2014) BY Ubisoft®">I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™ (2014) BY Ubisoft®"I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™ (2014) BY Ubisoft®">I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™ (2014) BY Ubisoft®"NOW. NOW. NOW. I WANT TO PLAY IT NOW, I WILL FUCKING KILLMYSELF.
>>737189953So don't. Make an offline version of the game to comply with any litigation. SKG doesn't want an exact copy of the game, just a functional version.
>>737186540This but unironically. Clav is right when it comes to this, if Ross was actually good looking rather than an asmongold phenotype rat-mutant looking balding dude this shit would have already passed
>>737190225You can. https://thecrewunlimited.com/home/
>>737187961>>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gameseven if SKG wins(which it fucking should, fuck the corpos and retard shills like OP), that is something that aint happening. while the crux of the argument is about what happened to The Crew, the truth here is that if SKG succeeds, it will only affect newer games or games that are still active, they arent gonna touch older games like The Crew. or similar.
>>737186469they make us pay without giving anything for it -there is NO DIGITAL OWNERSHIP at all and its not just games, its all 'digital goods' and media
>>737190242how functional? a beta build?
>>737190113I've named them multiple threads ago. No spoonfeeding, go read my older posts.
>>WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THE GAME COULD POSSIBLY END ITS LIFE CYCLE AT SOME POINT>Actually it says right here in the EULA that this can happen.>>BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE EULA BEFORE I BOUGHT IT>Yes you did, it's freely available online. Plus, you have the option to refund if you disagree with the EULA after purchase.>>B-BUT I CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO READ A CONTRACT BEFORE AGREEING TO IT, WHAT IF IT SAYS THEY CAN KILL ME?>That's silly, plus this argument is about informed consent. You can't claim that you weren't informed if you agreed to the contract.Case closed. It's called personal responsibility.
>>737190242I don't think that can be done easily with many games that currently exist? What would an offline version of PlanetSide 2 look like, for example?
>>737190313Doesn't hold up in court.
>>737190313gonna change the law lol
Fact: It costs devs N O T H I N G to make a online game playable offline. You literally cannot find a single argument against this
>>737190348then why is SKG a thing? sounds like you have a court case where a publisher lost after shutting down a game
>>737190348It does if your country's civil law is derived from English law (which is internationally preferred by corporations)
>>737190346>PS2bot match. done. Same with any mmo, just have the maps and some random mobs.
>>737190313games are art and EULAs are meaninglesswithout the community the game would have never existed in the first place, so if it's unprofitable for the publishers and devs what's the harm in handing it to the other half of the people who made it live in the first place?
>>737190313Yup it's why the case isn't about the EULA, it's about doing what the people want to do. Which is the keep playing their games.
>>737190313how much are they paying you?it doesnt justify the corpos at all, the only, and i mean ONLY way for that to hold true is if they specify in the box 'THIS GAME HAS TO BE CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET AT ALL TIMES, AND IF THE SERVICE ENDS, ALL OFFLINE, SINGLE PLAYER CONTENT WILL BE RENDERED INOPERABLE'. something Ubi didnt do with The Crew.fuck you.
>>737190313>Makes vile disgusting EULAAnti humanitarian EULA should not be allowed to exist. Full stop.
Why the renewed shilling of SKG on this board? Did something happen? Did EU make the decision?
>>737190348 it does, go read any lawyer - companies have all the rights, consumers not so muchthats why you spend shitton of money on a game and they just bad your acc for any reason - and you cant get your money back
I've never "lost access" to a game I purchased. The problem is "accessing" it becomes a larger and larger pain in the ass overtime to the point it's just not viable anymore and you pirate it anyway. Last year I jumped through several hoops and was able to connect my PSP and I was able to download past purchases. I set out to prove people wrong, but they were right, you can access your past PSP purchases if you can somehow get it online with it's outdated wifi. I wouldn't expect a regular human to do that. I'd expect them to pirate the games.On a long enough timeline, pirating the games makes sense. "Access" or no.
>>737190406Because it was only illegal under a reading of EU law, which got this whole thing started.
Why are these fucking corpo shills here instead of reddit
>>737190273True, it's not going to retroactively apply to every single game ever. I'd like to think some passionate devs would dig out the code for their favorite games and do something with them, though.
>>737190423all art has license agreements.
>>737190483There was a congressional hearing or something, I think. So as of now, nothing of note has happened.
>>737190527and license agreements haven't changed in 18,000 years right?
>>737190483The SKG people delivered their case to EU parliament.
>>737190304Dont think i will because you can't name 1 and i already know they will be fucking shit from the mid 00sEvery legit classic game has a source port or fan made server tools, every one. If you are too retarded to use them thats a skill issue.
>>737190487Nope. The only reason more people don't sue is because corporations have money and joe doesn't.ToSs are literally subhuman
>>737190525Not wanting you to get the server binaries isn't "corpo shilling"
>>737190527Illegal licence "agreements" will removed.
>>737190313>It's called personal responsibility.It's also called an anti-consumer practice that is going to be changed via EU understanding of purchased goods, little spergy. >>737190406To propose the preventative pro-consumer practice as a law based on the EU reading of what a person purchases, little spergy. You lost.
>>737186469Listen here you piece of shit, we had a good thing going, the industry was making money and those sheeple just took it like good little consumers, but no you had to go and RUIN ALL OF IT! why? because you ""care"" about games?! YOU MORON, YOU IDIOT, YOU UGLY SON OF A BITCH.I WORKED AT BLIZZARD! I CARE MORE ABOUT GAMES THAN YOU! THATS WHY I CAN MAKE THE HARD CHOICES! I WAS GONNA BE RICH YOU FUCK! YOU RUINED MY LIFE I WAS RESPECTED ONCE! FUCK YOU!
>>737190592How does it affect you?
>>737190527Handed down by the Moses set in stone?
>>737190601Furry fucker
>>737190592Kill yourself
>>737190459>how much are they paying you?I have a real job. Why do you shill ecelebs for free?
>>737190629In what sense? I don't want to do it personally for anything that I make.
>>737190691You don't make anything besides shill posts on a mongolian imageboard.
>>737190601The mana gem, whatever happened there...
What happens if the server code relies on AWS/Azure/GCP managed services? Are you still gonna be satisfied with a private server that cannot run anywhere outside of AWS/Azure/GCP where you're gonna be raped with the prices?
>>737190468you could just... not agree
>>737190671>you shill ecelebs>he said parroting ferret fucker's "it's actually in EULA, stop complaining"ta-ta
>>737190671>I have a real job.So did Epstein
>>737187804>posts example of a game that you own forever and can play offlinenice post retard
>>737190761regulate it to ban hardcoded sole-source tech
>>737190225Live service Ubislop was the worst game to lead with of all time.
>>737190671Shilling for ubisoft isn't a real job. Jeet.
>>737190763That's the problem. You can't or your game is a paperweight. That's what makes EULA void under EU customer protection laws - you don't really have a choice.
>>737190761As long as offline is available
>>737190763Do I get to play the game offline if I disagree?
>>737186469What Stop Killing Games will achieve is just that online games will have a disclaimer saying: ONLINE FEATURES MAY BE UNAVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE.
>>737190812That's not gonna be done 100%. The burden for the publishers is too large, the managed services are genuinely valuable
You know SKG is winning when the only argument left is BUT YOU PICKED THE CREW AS YOUR GAME AHHHHHHHOkay and? It's a game ross liked Would you prefer gacha trash like Genshin?
>>737186469you make it sound like its my problemthe only thing im concerned with is being able to play the game with all core systems intact foreverhow you will pull that off is on you
>>737190761Depends of the EU, Ross is fine with it being AWS only.Though let's be real people would work around it and get it working local in less than a day
>>737190869That's completely fine, but slapping arbitrary always online bullshit on games has to die.
>pajeet>contrarian>how much is Ubisoft paying you to post ITT?>is this post AI?>if you disagree you must be some eceleb that nobody else but me has heard of>I voted with my wallet but other people kept buying things I don't like! I'm calling the police!>what do you mean additional labor costs additional money?>OMG WHY ARE PEOPLE DEFENDING CORPORATIONS WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS SITE?>it's the same as selling poison baby food!>/v/ was always in favor of government regulation of video games! It's just election tourists disagreeing!>the EU gave us amazing regulations like being able to easily refund games you just purchased!>EULAs stating the game doesn't work forever don't count because you agree to them after buying the game!>oh wait ignore that part about games being easy to refundand when you try to get them to think more than one step ahead about the effects of begging for more video game regulation:>I don't care I'm unemployed with no future and I want the industry to dieIt's how dishonest children argue in these threads every time
>>737190869They already say that, and that they'll be taken away whenever they feel like it.What the disclaimer will instead say is: You will own nothing in 2 years after release date, now hand over $80+tip
>>737190761Would be fine with me just as long as it's offline.
>>737190869i can imagine that will happen... and yet it will still be a thriumph because there WILL be a set of smart people who will downright refuse to buy the game under the perfectly understandable excuse of 'why we are playing something that they clarified us is gonna die?'idiot.
>>737190601I am not crazy! I know he forged those signatures! I knew it was less than a million. Less than how many years I worked at Blizzard. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got those idiots at the Citizens' Intiative to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That mold! Are you telling me that a house just happens to get mold like that? No! He orchestrated it! Ross! He trafficked people in a rickshaw! And I platformed him! And I shouldn't have. I covered him on my own stream! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was making Civil Protection, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of consumer rights! But not our Ross! Couldn't be precious Ross! Owning your own games! And he gets to be a streamer!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
>>737190883yeah yeah and if we regulate milkmakers to stop putting plaster and chalk in their milk they'll go out of business by 1910
>>737190869They already say that. The real change "you'll pay us and we'll take away what you paid for at anytime cuck."
>>737187061companies weren't making MMORPGs anyways, and MMORPGs makes it extremely obvious that you're just subscribing to gain access not that you own anything, buying an expansion is just getting access to that content.And even then we have actual evidence that you could easily host your own local sever of them if they just gave you the tools to do so.
>>737186469Is mana gem maldavius still around? Like does anybody still listen to ferret fucker fag boy?
>>737186540Not true, some of them do it because they're paid servants of the golemkrafters
>>737191065He's still around recently he seethe at someone making fun of him on twitch and cried to mods banning him
>>737190958>and when you try to get them to think more than one step ahead about the effects of begging for more video game regulation:What kind of faggot advocates for not owning stuff they paid for?
>>737190817It was probably a pretty good choice since everyone already fucking has ubisoft.
>>737186469>skg gains a slight potential reality >nonstop threads about why we shouldn't want this for whatever reasonlook I don't give a single fuck either way but you faggots can't tell me shills don't exist on /v/ when they're this obvious
>>737186469Then cut those from the game, not my problemAdapt or die.
>>737186469I literally don't care at all about SKG all I know is that this dysgenic freak is upsetting to look at on a visceral, animal, level and that I will never - can never - pay attention to anything such a hideous weirdo has to say.
>>737187061downside?
>>737191065he is around, his reputation is in shatters but he has enough dumb people that still follow him to make a living out of streaming, he just isn't ever getting invited to anything and is basically ousted from the wide streamer community.
>>737191123The mold is unrivaled.
>>7371911234chan is the last place left for shills
>>737186691Does anyone have a screencap of his second life avatar sucking cock?
>>737191150halting progress is your problem. we are experiencing huge tech progress with generative AI and you want to hamper any games that use a server for it
>>737190869>ONLINE FEATURES MAY BE UNAVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE>AND YOU WILL GET A FULL REFUND IF THIS HAPPENS Even that is a win for customers.
There are too many games already, some should be culled, it's healthy for the ecology.
>>737191110communist lefties who are still uner the illusion big corpo will give them another chance after pulling each and every support under the sun from pride shit. They are still shellshocked and think they can return to glorious biden times
>>737191162t. Critikal watcher
>>737191259Like Ross himself said getting potential refunds is secondary to keeping games playable. This is not about getting your money back.
>>737190869Stamp an expiration date on the game, what's the problem?
>>737190869They already say it even in Playstation 2 online games I think. Just read a fucking EULA once in your life.
Why would someone defend a multi-billion dollar corporation for free?
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE A PLAYABLE GAME>NOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE KILLING THE INDUSTRY AIEEEEEEEE
>>737191110you still won't own anything after SKG, it's all the company's ipthe end result will actually lead to worse versions of private servers, because you WILL get sued the second you try to modify the game
>>737191312>Like Ross himself said getting potential refunds is secondary to keeping games playable.Well thats just his gamer side trying to preserve videogames. But from a consumer rights perspective a refund should be minimum.
>>737191418If they care so much about policing private servers why not spend that money keeping their servers running
if my game stops making money and i kill it, you shouldn't be allowed to run it yourself because shared human experiences should only happen when i can profit off of them
>>737190041>>737190067strawmanning ad-hominem pilpulling commie kike niggers
>>737191392well yeah, they should PUT said expiration date available, in that case, all buyers have to do is just not to buy the damn game.no game with a set expiration date is gonna be even remotely worthwhile.
>>737191397>freethey’re paid indian bots
>>737191418>because you WILL get sued the second you try to modify the gameThat's bullshit though.
>>737191509it's cheaper to send c&ds
>>737190313personal responsibility is an impossible concept for commie kike niggers to ever understand, same with intellectual property and rights
>>737191527>Consumers having rights is like communism or something!kys
>>737191509What dead game has done that?
>>737191590To hundreds of private servers every day?
>>737191527You mom fed you bobby kotick piss when you were a toddler
>>737186469>>737186534Didn't ask.
>>737189451Imagine being threatened with the good thing.
>>737191663Policed their servers or kept servers running?
>>737191667to the big ones when they offend. it causes a chilling effect
>>737191256>we are experiencing huge tech progress with generative AI
>>737187942What about shareholder value you monster? We need to lay off more talent so that shareholder value increases!
>>737191545Thisive seen people drop games or as in my experience, a server just because it had wipes every 6 to 8 monthsthey said its not worth sticking around and left, 2 people from around 12-15 on the given server. I wonder how many of those who didnt say anything followed their lead and how many wouldnt have joined in the first place if they knew. Should be an automatic suicide for live service games if this catches on (good news)
>>737186469>Point 1Unnecessary>Point 2No one ever call it a conspiracy>Point 3That's the community issue then, Let people make their servers, the publisher loses nothing
>>737186469>posted almost a year ago
>>737191778What now dead game has sent threats to revival projects?
>>737191817It's literally their company
>>737191868>What now dead game has sent threats to revival projects?https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2025/11/17/concord-dies-a-second-death-sony-takes-legal-action-fan-revival-24727555/amp/
>>737188868Again, how is that different from owning a copy of a book?
>>737190313make all eulas, toses and cocks illegal
>>737191868
>>737191780On what grounds are they offending a game with no support from the devs? SKG has made them give players a way to play the game, so it's not like they're being blind-sided by people using the opportunity to set up and play servers.
>>737191931i'm still mad about this, i unironically want to play concord, it had some fantastic mechanics and ideas
>>737186469EU should pass it. I don't want EU tards in my online games.
>>737191392Nobody likes to play with loaded dice.
>>737190225this but unironically
>>737192050Yes I'm saying that post-SKG private servers would need to be vanilla and basically company approved.nintendo doesn't care about ctgp revolution, but if there were a law that protects private servers then you better believe that nintendo is suing you for modding the game
>>737188231Of all companies Nintendo is the least affected by SKG, almost all their "online" games are perfectly played offline.
>>737192264>Ford are suing you for modifying your carWould never actually fly.
SKG must be making progress since all the corporate shills have been spamming shit like this lately.
>>737186469Why (you) are misleding:>because browns like you envy the european greatness
>>737192264>would need to be vanilla and basically company approved.On what grounds are you saying this though? That's like saying hosting Zombies on CS1.6 was grounds for Valve to sue you
>>737192030thats exactly what "must"(but doubt) change. if they stopped selling/closed the game, they have no more right for copyright claims
>>737191123The words "Viral Marketing" used to be banned because corpos kept crying about it
>>737192326God I wish I could see them watching the parliament streams and seething about it.
>>737192264>post-SKG private servers would need to be vanilla and basically company approved.but that is the current pre-SKG state of affairs
>>737188273In principle we all should defend free speech but yet here we are in this dystopian big brother future thanks to "progressive" authoritarian governments.
>>737192298Ferrari does this regularly >>737192339yes, companies can sue you for hosting modded content. nintendo does regularly with things like project m
>see thing>buy thing>this does exactly what it said to do>get mad>tell the company they need to do exactly as you wish>if not, they're assholesI don't get it.
>>737192476I believe most companies choose to look the other way, but if they are forced to supply an offline version then they will police it more heavily mostly nips
>>737192502>Ferrari sends a "cease and desist">You throw it in the bin>Nothing happens because it's not illegal
>>737192609they would have no responsibility to police it
>>737192509>buy car>ride car>the guy who sold me the car decides that one day I can no longer ride car and steals it from me>this is ok somehowI dont get it, why are people upset that the games they bought get stolen from them?
>>737192509why not? they are here for us, not we for them. plus they got the money, might as well upheld the contract.
>>737192509>Buy movie >Watch movie>The studio who produces the movie takes it from me and says I don't own it anymore>Somehow this is okay
>>737192509>sells a scam>doesn't market it as a scam>"why are people mad?"
>>737192502Hosting content that they did not make available, where as in a post-SKG world they are forced to give permission to host your game how you want if and when they shut it down.Nintendo did not go after Project M and it's still run at tournaments, they do go after sites hosting ROMs because they still sell those, as bullshit as that is.
>>737191259How are Americans this stupid?
>>737192650If that reads on the papers then it's your own choice to buy it or not.Like the company just creates something. And if people want it, they pay and get it. If not, they don't. If you don't like what you see, don't get it. How is it their responsibility to create what you demand?
>>737186731>Doom 1 matchmakingretard>every other game shouldn't have modern featurescorrect
>>737192830>how is it their responsibility to not steal from you after you bought somethingTruly a mystery, you are so. so. SO. close to it.
>>737192717If it isn't okay then why did you get it?
>>737192509Good goy, lick another boot.
>>737192913There is no stealing. It is in the terms that you agreed to. Why did you agree to them if it wasn't what you wanted?
>>737192931>Buy movie>UHHH ACTUALLY YOU'RE JUST RENTING IT (but we won't let you know until it's too late)>Somehow. this is okay
>>737192509>buy Apple device>use Apple device>the corpo updates the Apple device software in order to slow it downYou are either one of them, or truly retarded
It seems to me the solution for companies is to make their live service sloppa subscription-based. So technically you're not paying for the game; you're just paying for access to the game and if they shut it down you're not owed anything.
>>737192983>there is no stealing, just ignore me taking your car you bought with your own money right in front of you, Goy
>>737190123Yet comiket is the largest copyright infringement. Curious.
>>737193008read >>737192931
>>737192983>just don't consume anything>voting with your wallet works when there are billions of idiots out there for people to take advantage of and sell them games that will die before they're done playing them
>>737193076>>737193008
>>737187061>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGSwe only get one mmo every 5 years and its usually fucking terrible, nothing of value lost here>with any online component like coopretard
>>737193037If we make a deal where you give me 10 euros after I suck your dick and you agree to it I am not stealing anything from you after I take the money.
>>737192806>where as in a post-SKG world they are forced to give permission to host your game how you want if and when they shut it down.how? there is no way you will be able to monetize it
>>737187061>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGSModern MMMOs are littrally scams or dogshit like new world
>>737193160We made a deal for you to sell me a car, I bought the car. I own it. You dont get to decide one day you will take away the car. There was nothing about sucking dicks in the deal though I'm sure you are a expert at it.
>>737192281This is actually why I don't care about this "movement".I don't care about "online features" of games, I care about the fact Nintendo will shut down the online store for the next console.
>>737192830Companies should make products that people can buy and own. Anything else is Jewish tricks.
>>737193080Those aren't just billions of idiots. Those are billions of idiots who got service they found value in. Otherwise they would not have paid for it. If you don't find something valuable then don't get it and get something else.
>>737186469No amount of shilling, shitty argumentation, or pure social force will ever convince me that SKG isn't doing the right thing. Fuck all the contrarian faggots that make it their entire personality.
>>737193198That's exactly right, no one will, because you shut down the game and decided you aren't going to be making money off of it anymore. Now all the people who bought it are free to continue playing the unsupported version.
>>737191868NCSoft has famously shut down several attempts to get Exteel servers running.
>>737193347>Otherwise they would not have paid for it.like i said>everything is EULA planned-obsolesence cancer>people will buy stuff that dies because they'd rather experience something than nothing>if you want that to change, just don't consume anything :^)
>>737193298Consumers should only pay for products that they find value in and agree to. If there are people ready to pay for "products that they don't own" then the responsibility isn't on the company. It's on the consumer. And if owning things was great value to consumer then another company could easily levarage that need and gain market dominance against their competitors.
>>737187061This isn't true but if it were I would still be happy. Keep crying, this is your compensation for spamming your bullshit trying to kill this for the past year.
>>737193441ncsoft is bizarre. this is the same company that give public approval to city of heroes homecoming server to keep hosting the game.
>>737193485as a consumer, I want more games to not be at a threat of dying at the publisher's whimsso tell me, why should I not want things to be better?
>>737193232I will if it reads on the deal. And if you don't like it then you should never agreed to the terms.
>>737193485Sorry faggot but the rest of the world doesn't believe in your Jewish bullshit and you will be regulated while operating in our markets. If you don't like that then you are free to stay America only and give up the millions you would have made otherwise.
>>737193023Apple devices are one of the best in the world. Nothing even compares.
>>737193605And you will never be selling your cars in europe again. And if you do, there will be a lot of lawsuits coming your way.I understand your frustration, should've not been a stealing jew
>>737193573Well then as a consumer what you can do is to not buy things that do that and instead keep buying the things that align with your values.
>>737193685>regulation won't stop us from killing games! PLEASE do anything but that
>>737186469>Publishing server code opens up security risks and potential exploits.This is a non-issue as it doesn't have to happen until it is EoL
>>737193485Owning things is such a great value to consumers that we're gonna pass legislation mandating it.
>"publishers totally warn you about them killing the game at any time they want, you just had to read the box">it's never written on the box>"then you just have to read the EULA">can't read the EULA without buying the game first because it's not actually a contractHmmm
>>737193768they reuse the code for other games
>>737193824so publish binaries instead of code
>>737193685I don't get to choose which games are made as a service and which aren't. if there is a game that interests me, but is designed to be killed, then I'm negatively affected by the practiceso, again, why should I not want things to be better?
>>737186469>Publishing server code opens up security risks and potential exploits.Security through obscurity is not security.
>>737193824Then just release binaries
>>737193824Then fix the exploit.
>>737193853>>737193883those can be decompiled
>>737193772I don't see how it'll ever fully happen. At most they will put bigger warnings, and you will see how it will not stop people from buying the said games because they still like them and don't find it catastrophic how they won't be able to play the same game for decades.
>>737193772too bad you won't own a house or a car thoughever but at least you have the crew
>>737193896So can the game. What's your point?
>>737193896so can the game that we already get retard
>>737187061>>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGSStopped reading here. That sounds awesome. And fuck Japan for not porting DQX.
>>737193896You can also decompile the game itself retard.
>>737186469Nigger it doesn't matter why they do it.
>>737186469Fuck this pussy ass shit. All games and software should legally be required to be open source.
You will never be this smug.
>>737193919>>737193926>>737193950non sequitur
>>737187325So the licensors will have to change their terms or no one will buy their licenses...I only see positives in this.
>>737194037based retard
>>737193919>>737193926>>737193950How do you expect Rajesh from Ubisoft to do that though?
>>737193918I'll take my victories where I can
>>737194037You have no argument
>>737194037Are you being a faggot on purpose? You'd better stop that.
>>737186469>>That’s not some conspiracy to “destroy” games. It’s a design choice to makeits a design choice to make an inherent DRM type situation. If a lot of the game is handled server side then it is harder for a 3rd party to replicate the game.Always online, and streaming is about corporate control and DRM, not about making better games
is theres anyonebody who againsted it for good?
>>737194073Ask ChatGTP. It'll be happy to help.
>>737193865There's 8 billion other people among you. Of course YOU don't get to choose what happens. The people making all of this possible are the consumers, a company and their interests run on their money.
>>737194070>>737194079>>737194080if you don't see the difference between the risks associated with publishing server binaries vs the risks associated with releasing a game then this conversation is above you
>>737194148Thing is the country is not actually run by game companies. They are not the kings they would like you to think they are and in fact bow to the actual government when said government decides to look their way.
>>737194182No. I just think you're too retarded to understand anything.
>>737193347This must come as a surprise for you as a probable spectrum dweller, but in reality almost nobody reads terms of service, end user license agreements or even the small print in the back of boxes. They go in with certain expectations and raise their voices when those expectations are betrayed, even if they were technically warned it could happen. The whole point of SKG is to give companies the choice to cater to those certain expectations or more directly inform the customer and lower those expectations pre-purchase.
>>737194182>Yeah I might have an argument somewhere maybe but I'm just too high IQ to actually make one
>>737194182what risks? literally WHAT. RISKS?theres absolutely no risk to either the devs or the player at all if they release the server files so there can be new servers AFTER A GAME OFFICIALLY ENDS SERVICE. and you know it. you are just being a contrarian for no reason.
>>737190313The EU Commission has in the past already informed via official guidance on how the consumer rights legislative package must be interpreted, that small print of ancillary terms such as a EULA is insufficient to properly inform consumers on the material characteristics of a product they are about to buy. I.e. you can put in the EULA that you reserve the right to terminate the product at a time of your own choosing, and it wouldn't legally count.In the same guidance documents they have also informed that burden of proof lies with the trader and their representatives (incl. the supplier, i.e. the publisher) to prove that they have indeed adequately informed the consumer. And that their obligation under law to inform the consumer, requires an actual active effort on their part - i.e. such that them passively putting a link on a storefront webpage to a EULA hosted online somewhere does NOT meet the legal requisite bar.
>>737186469>Server code contains proprietary tech that studios can’t legally or safely release.>Publishing server code opens up security risks and potential exploits.>Licenses and third-party tech sometimes can’t be shared publicly due to legal agreements.just say that you have no idea about making games rather than making up shit.
>>737194223>>737194282>>737194323the argument is>releasing server binaries is a security risk as it can be decompiled the fact that all executables can be decompiled does not followhope this helps
does anyone else feel second hand embarrassment every time they're reminded that this unshaven poorly spoken moldly manchild is actually doing this
>>737194381Wrong answer
>>737194148as a citizen I'm entitled to a government that'll listen to my concerns and make an effort to serve my interests. if an industry is making use of practices that infringe on my consumer rights, then the governing body in charge of securing my rights should get involvedso I'll ask only once more, because you've already failed to answer it twice: why should I not want things to be better?
>>737194220Yes the companies don't run anything. It's the people's money. They just create something, and then people use their money to tell what should be made more.
>>737194182obviously a server is additional and different infrastructure, but anything handling PII like account data isn't externally accessible in the first place... because it's run on a server with a password and other security measuresif you're afraid of the poor little corporation's servers getting hacked because someone figured out what to do once they're inside it, the problem isn't the public knowing the code base, the problem is the server not being fucking secureyour argument is on the level of "computer hardware should not be sold to anyone in the entire world because side channel attacks exist"
>>737186469>>Many modern games can’t function without a backend because core systems like economies, matchmaking, progression, and live events live on the server side.well they shouldnt do that
>>737194403That mold man was the only one willing to take a stand when nobody else would and got made fun of for it, if you wanted patrick bateman tier looks. Too bad
>>737194469Then on top of that you have the government saying "You won't put poison in the bread".
>>737194182>abloo abloo think of the mean hackeronis that will haxxor you!!If the game is that vulnerable then people running their own servers is the least of issues that developer has
>>737186469WHOLE LEE SHITI DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANY OF THAT CRAP
>>737194403not as much as knowing i share a thread with bunch of cow shit eating indians
>>737194403Sorry, I don't really go for ad hominem attacks.
>>737194403no, he's based and aesthetics are a fucking meme
>>737194148>Of course YOU don't get to choose what happensSure I do, which is what this whole thing is about. The majority of consumers are uninformed and apathetic to their own interests, which companies exploit. Informed and organized consumers have outsize influence, which is why SKG now has serious traction and corpos are pooping their britches.
>>737193918Do you actually think that was a savage mic drop and not something that makes you sound like a bitchy imbecile?
>>737186469>dumb cunt can't be bothered to read the FAQ before shitting our a slop article
>>737194381If your only defense is>HackersThat's a (YOU) problem. As in. Fix your fucking codebase
>>737194403No I am not so shallow that I think that physical appearance invalidates someone's argument.
>>737190869they already do thatthey will have to give expiration dates>this game will shut down by may 2028and if they shut down BEFORE that you sue the shit out of ubisoft
>>737194464>why should I not want things to be better?Because if this every goes fully through then many games would just be illegal in EU. Maybe it won't matter to you but games like Fortnite, Apex, Forza, Wow and so on I don't see a feasible way to implent a solution and many many people actually do play and enjoy these games. "Just give us the code" is just not going to be a thing.
>>737194652>dude let me misrepresent the whole movementnigger :)
>>737192717The lesson is to never buy a movie from a streaming service.
>>737194403>does anyone else feel second hand embarrassment yes, i feel it for you
>>737194652>I don't see a feasible way to implent a solutionjust keep them running and then hand them off to the community once they become an unprofitable venture
>>737194381again, and im writing in all caps so you can read it:HOW.IS.THAT.A PROBLEM.IF THE GAME.ENDED. SERVICE.OFFICIALLY?YES, obviously they arent gonna hand that info if the game is running, but when the service is officially over, WHO THE FUCK SHOULD BE CARING IF SAID FILES ARE BEING USED TO ALLOW R.E. OR DECOMPILING? that is also part of allow the players to keep ownership of the game and allow them to keep running the game after its over.go eat ALL THE SHITS! you disingenous moron.
>>737194583They know what it's about; but they're looking for clicks and the easiest way to do that is rage bait.That's why everything is so polarizing these days.They know people dislike the stance and looking to make themselves mad.
>>737186469Don't care.Open source your entire server toolchain.NOW!
>>737194652the legistation isn't meant to be retroactive. anything else?
>>737194652As somebody else pointed out before if they can get world of warcraft working on private servers then your bullshit battle royale will also work just fine.
>>737194403I will always trust a man that looks like him more than men who look like they get plastic surgery
>>737194518Additives aren't banned.
>>737186469Can't wait for every gacha game to be "discontinued" free offline patch. All those fags can "enjoy" a fully offline version. I always asked my friend. "What if Genshin Impact was $60 and you could get everything for free, without ever connecting to the internet. Plot twist.. he doesn't want that. And the only social interaction is when he wants to "farm mats" on his other friends maps.
>Lets' be real:This is an AI-ism, fuck bot threads
>>737194652>Because if this every goes fully through then many SHIT gatcha games would just be illegal in EUftfy
>we should get protected from getting abused by big corpo>noo the eula reads that we can fuck you in the ass and you have to agree otherwise dont participate in anything ever againi dont get what they are getting out of protecting big corpo but its and obvious scam that only works because of power imbalance which hopefully soon will be regulated
>>737194724because they reuse the code for multiple games
>>737194732Remind me why America has trouble selling their slop in the EU.
>>737194652All those games would be grandfathered in. SKG legislation would only apply to new games going forward which would be built from the ground up with EoS compliance in mind.
>>737194724to anon's credit there is ***A*** point, in that their next game will likely reuse server architecture and code which would now technically be more exploitable than beforebut the solution is still "have functional security" and "fix bugs"
>>737194721So you think the companies will just hand off their entire serverbase to the public and allow them to keep playing, modifying and creating games based on the company's game? Just doesn't seem sensible.
>>737194403I'm not an indian getting paid 5 rupees per post, so no.
>>737186469>>Server code contains proprietary tech that studios can’t legally or safely release.false>>Publishing server code opens up security risks and potential exploits.false, your game is no longer supported and any risk therefore non of your issues>>Licenses and third-party tech sometimes can’t be shared publicly due to legal agreementsthen remove your 3rd party trash from the game I paid for you nigger or adapt and change the game until it fully works without 3rd party garbage that's literall your fucking problem not the customers
>>737186469>it's another article paid for by the vidya corporation lobbyThis shit is basically like the "trolls" here who intentionally misunderstand something and stretch it to completely retarded places just to get (You)s
>>737194813the binaries not being released publicly is functional security
Many houses cant function without walls. So we decided to not build walla because it takes time and money.
>>737194832not my problem, i'm not the one who made hundreds of millions of dollars and then killed a game the instant its net profitability dipped below 0
>>737194652even if this becomes a thing it will not apply to games made before itthis has been clear since the beginning, how illiterate + retarded are you
>A contractual term which has not been individually negotiated shall be regarded as unfair if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations arising under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer.>A term shall always be regarded as not individually negotiated where it has been drafted in advance and the consumer has therefore not been able to influence the substance of the term, particularly in the context of a pre-formulated standard contract.
>>737186469I shan't be falling for your shitty anti-consumer campaignNo man with a brain would.
>>737194832>>737194898*monthly profitabilityMINOR TEXTUAL MISTAKE
>>737194785oh no? let me let you in on a secret thenyou know those games like Manor Lords, Oblivion remaster, Valorant, Silent Hill f, yeah? Listen - they all use the same game engine! Isn't that crazy? You can just download it yourself, and you'll immediately have the same engine that these AAA devs used! What a blunder eh? Like, i can hack all these games now.
>>737194729Yeah and then in few decades we will have dozens of IP's and games running on community clients that have no actual rights to the IP's or games. They will also be able to modify the code and create new games like they own the whole thing. The endgame for that will be a disaster.
>>737194986>The endgame for that will be a disaster.it sounds more like fertile ground for tons of creativity to me
>>737194986>but muh mods thoughNot an argument
>>737194986>noooo, think about those ip holder corporations!!!!!no:)
>>737194986Yeah remember when id released the DooM source code and was never able to sell another game again?
>>737194874knowing what you can do once you're inside the server doesn't matter if you can't get inside the server
>>737194986They want to destroy the industry.
>>737194986>create new games like they own the whole thinggood, maybe we will finally have the return of good 24/7 sniper maps
>>737194629Unfortunately most arguing on the Internet is now just "ME CHAD YOU SOIJAK".
>>737194986the endgame you're describing is literally WC3 -> Dota mod -> Dota 2
>>737194403(You) are a pathetic manchild.
>>737194986>lists a series of utopian scenarios>calls it a disaster???
>>737195041I'm not talking about just muh mods but basically you can create new separate games from the basegame.>>737195039How about you just make something from the ground up like how it's done on every other field instead of copying someone elses work and using it as your own?
>>737194986>They will also be able to modify the code and create new games like they own the whole thing.That's literally happened before. DoTA niggerAnd besides. You ALREADY HAVE GAMES BEING SOLD LIKE THIS
>>737194986cool and? i don't give a fuck who "holds an ip" or whatever the fuck corpobabble, i just wanna play a game, you dumb fucking pajeet. the more games are alive and the more servers for said games are alive, the better for me.
>>737186540He only needs to cut his hair to look normal. He looks like a Grateful Dead die-hard.
>>737194726>your entire serverRetard we paid for it. Thats our codebase. Its called purchase and ownership. The most basic aspect of capitalism.
>>737195212And this would be fine.
>>737195147Dota 2 is a Valve IP
>>737195212>How about you just make something from the ground up like how it's done on every other field instead of copying someone elses work and using it as your own?t. an entire industry built from cribbing open source software since the very beginning
>>737195260you own the code just as much as you own the text in a book
>>737195147>>737195234Valve doesn't use WC3 code.
the shills ITT getting scared shitless is making me so hard
>>737195212You won't get through to these communists. They've never made anything and leech and pirate everything.
>>737195318and blizzard STILL tried to claim it as their own
>>737194986so, your argument basically boils down to>if they release the tools used to make the game and allow the players to continue it, they will mod the game like it was in the fucking 90s and SOMEHOW the devs will lose money.all i can say here is: were you dropped?if you have time to bitch about how game modding will somehow ruin the industry when it has never done so, then leave and go read about the story of the Doom source code and then look how ID and Bethesda not only still are selling all their idtech games, but are still fucking thriving even after 30+ fucking years, you fucking idiot!
>>737194986Are you Japanese
>>737187804This might be the dumbest post I've seen this week. I originally intended a full response, but you're so stupid I think it would go right over your head.
>>737190257>my fotm influencer discovered that good looking people get treated better
>>737195351Never happened.
>>737195350>nooooo owning thingss is communissm!!!! save me corponiggerman!!!!!pajeet :)
>>737195212lmao EVERY field is people deriving from other people's work. it's so obvious you've never done any technical or creative work in your life
>>737195350>If you want to own something that is commie Holy cope.
>EA WRC releases>The game worked fine on Linux>EA add code to block the game from launching on Linux>EA stopped supporting EA WRC completely>Game still doesn't work on LinuxIt's not fair
>>737194986The majority of good things happening in gaming right now are coming from community projects that regularly mog the fuck out of what corporations offer. Shit like RE4 HD Project, decompilations, randomizers, mods that are more expansive than any official DLC, etc. all mog the fuck out of what publishers officially put out.
>>737195162i accept your concession
>>737195421>lets destroy all IP rightscommunist scum
>>737195417https://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91202572&pty=OPP&eno=1
>>737194986>people might have fun again the terror
>>737195417why must conservatives always liehttps://www.cinemablend.com/games/Blizzard-Valve-Settle-DOTA-Lawsuit-42430.html
>>737195475>noooo think about the ultra rich ip holders !!!!!!!no :)
>>737195260no, actually you paid for a license to be legally allowed to play the gameyou don't own the game's code nor assets or anything.and these kind of EULAs are at least 20 years old now
>>737195536>rich badreddit communist
>>737195582suck my dick pajeet subhuman :)did you fuck your sister today yet? :)
>owning products you buy is a controversial opinion
>>737195503Dispute over the name not the game. Disingenuous as usual.
>>737195431Yes and you are asking to lower the access even further to the point that you can't even talk about making a game anymore.
>>737195630names are IP, correct
>>737195475In your ideal world, only GameFreak would be allowed to make anything involving Pokemon, and the flourishing community of rom hacks and fangames that do things with the IP that are infinitely more interesting than GameFreak would not exist. Why are you so against competition?
>>737195628no, you purchase a license that allows you to play the game,you don't ""own"" the game code, and that's why it is illegal to dis-assemble it, copy it, hack it, distribute it, etc./v/ is full of children and this is a sad reality...
>>737189471>Also The Crew has a offline mode so it's even more hilarious that jewbisoft decided to die on that hill instead of just activating the offline modeThat was the hilarious thing, it was already written into the game.Can't belive some shit tier game like The Crew has caused a massive campaign like this lol
>>737195628there's nothing controversial anon. all these anti-skg posts are one of two things: babel media pajeet shills who keep posting lies, and literal mongoloid retards that believe them. this is all a coordinated shilling effort.
>>737195682nta but if i invented pokemon i would not want someone selling a trannymon hack with proceeds going to gender affirmation
>>737195475>we can't stop making games designed to die without eroding all property rights!least disingenuous shill
We've finally reach the nippon tier argument of "NOOO YOU CAN'T MOD THE GAME YOU PAID FOR"lol lmao even
>>737194937Exactly.This is why in the EU basically anything in a EULA which smells like you're being shafted, is by definition voidable in a court of law.
>>737195759Don't buy it.
>>737195828someone else will, not knowing the ways they're being taken advantage ofnot good enough
>>737195821damn, feels good being a white europeanpajeet browns malding, you love to see it
>>737195821The Crew's EULA worked great in EU.
>>737195736where did i agree to have that license revoked without warning
>>737195828don't make it.
>The EUthey would rather freeze to death than fight Iran for oil, you really think they can police the video game industry?
>this whole thread
>>737195875Don't pretend like you aren't buying this slop
>>737195828Don't scam people.
>>737195775Yea the nippon tier argument of "NOOO YOU MUST FOLLOW THE AGREEMENT" lol like bro I paid for it I can do whatever I want
>>737195990i do buy slop because i'd rather experience something rather than nothing in my entertainment medium of choicei want my slop to be better and more ethical for the sake of all consumers
>>737196064skggers are slop eaters
>>737196108problem?
>>737194986Sounds extremely based and is also something that happened in the past and didn't cause a gayming crash. The only gayming crash are caused by the jewish business practices and forcing ugliness on consumers.
>>737196167ew
>>737195930you automatically agreed upon purchasing and clicking >[X] I Agree with the Eula
>>737196198EULAs are not enforceable.
>>737196198no
>>737196302Fire up The Crew and see what happens
>>737196198EULAs do not hold up in court under scrutiny
>>737196198Why don't they put on their Eula "Upon clicking the "I agree with the terms and conditions, you automatically have to send me 1 million euros" so they could get rich instantly.
>>737190257So what you're saying is he needs a Henry Cavill collab
>>737196302Well they've been for decades.
>>737196302>>737196352if this were true there would be no need for SKG in the first place
>>737195930example SEGA eula>https://games.sega.com/eula/do you 18 year old dumb kids know how the world works?or are you seriously so fucking ignorant and stupid
>>737196441that's not what SKG is doing
>>737196360Because they need to be sensible and in the past not being able to play 10 year old game has been seen as sensible.
>>737196441SKG isn't sueing the companies
>>737195315>you own the code just as much as you own the text in a bookCan the book publisher take the book away from me anytime?
>>737196513Sorry but some bullshit in an EULA does not actually invalidate your consumer rights.
>>737196441They talk in circles don't they? EULA's have no power in EU!......but we need SKG to change our laws!.......but our laws already stop all this BS!!......but we need SKG to do it!!!!kek
>>737196568What does it say in the terms?
>>737196513>this is the way it is>this can NEVER change, and indeed SHOULD never change
>>737196589actually it does, because you agreed do it.please please please please get educated moron
>>737196643You can put "I now own your first born child" in the fine print of an EULA but that doesn't actually make it the case even if they click "ok".
>>737196692Need a good reason to change 100 years of precedent and The Crew shutting down after 10 years of service ain't it.
>>737196589And what do the consumer rights say? That anything a consumer buys they must have full access and ownership over it? Why are CD-rom copyright laws still in place?
>>737196692don't buy cancerware.problem solved, the market corrects itself.
>>737196697No it doesn't. You can't just waive the law because you put some fine print in an EULA.
The shills have lost
>>737196767waive what law?
>>737196709Of course not because it's not sensible. But not promising 10+ years of support for a video game isn't seen as something predatory.
>>737196747Things like "you have a right to a refund in the case of X".
>>737196741the reason is that it's bullshit corporate profiteering>>737196753>the market corrects itself.lol no it doesn't
>>737196753>the market corrects itself.If it did that then live service games wouldn't exist anymore. But we don't live in that world.
>>737196814Consumer protection laws.
>>737196821>if this product doesn't work after 10 years you get your money backAre seriously trying to say that selling something without promising 10 year warranty is against the consumer rights now?
>>737196878Specific
>>737196901If the laws says you're providing a 10 year warranty then that's what you're doing no matter what bullshit you shat out in an EULA.
>>737196926consumer protection laws
>>737196926All applicable to your product.
>>737196953Yeah but I live in EU and I never heard of such law. Otherwise I could just refunded so much stuff lol.
>>737186469>new account>3 followers>one blogpostThe industry plants are in the full swing. Expect a lot more to come now they're getting afriad.
>>737197009>>737197013Notice they can't cite a specific law the eula violates. hmm
>>737197037Well then try googling it.
>>737196873live service games exist because retarded normies play them.so let them play their slopfest.you don't actually.... play those shitty games do you anon?
>>737197082Can you help a bro out and tell what it's called? It's not like english is my primary language.
>>737197063Irrelevant. You say that the EULA supersedes the law because "you agreed to it". This is false. You are not above the law just because you wrote some bullshit fine print into your EULA.
>>737197087>J-JUST DON'T PLAY THEM Not an argument. Doesn't change how video games are pandering to live service crap. If SKG finally kills GAAS then it gets my full support.
>>737197175Video games are pandering to whatever the consumer wants to pay for.
>>737197136Try googling "EU consumer protect laws".
>>737197063its your argumentcite it
>>737197209Oh thanks. I was googling "laws". "eu consumer protection laws" will surely help my search hehehe. /s
>>737197208The consumer doesn't actually know (or care) what they want. Not an argument. The average person will support anythingThe only reason why consumer rights are a thing is because of the few people who DO care and want big copos to stop fucking scamming people.
>>737196198>you agreed with the scam so its all fair nowand you will soon agree to provide infinite service :)
just put the executable in the bag
>>737197282>actually I have no free will and the reason everything sucks is because the jews are making me do bad things!!
>>737197335I accept your concession jew.
>>737197335next you'll say marketing doesn't work
>>737197209umm??
>>737197161BITCH THIS IS HOW ALL CONTRACTS WORK!were you born yesterday?so according to you, If my boss makes me sign an NDA for our new projectI can just then talk about it on a facebook post!Or my landlord makes me sign a contract I can ignore it and turn just sublet my house and bring a few walls down, remove the wooden floors etc,without any consequences ???YOU DUMB -DUMB-DUMB FLAT EARTHER IDIOTDO YOU FUCKING LIVE IN LA-LA LAND??MORON
>>737197384What is confusing to you?
>>737197434>EULA is unenforceable>this means no laws anywhere are enforceable
>>737197434>Um actually I wrote here that the law does not apply to meNot how it works retard.
>>737197448That I can't find a print that says that it is wrong for services to stop working after 2 years.
>>737197434>a shitty system is good because its always been that waylol
>>737196624EU laws when interpreted stop this. US laws do not. UK laws do not currently. The SKG is currently demanding concrete law instead of interpretation.
>>737197526>>737197495>>737197475>terminally online edgy teenagers who think anarchy is great!You will grow up eventually and get a job and see how the real world works.
>>737197727Nah. You grow up.
>>737197727i know more than you
>i know more than yousaid the sexless 22 year old child who still lives with their parents
>>737197727>Having consumer protection laws is anarchy actuallyretard
>>737197994So can you site the law you're talking about then?
>>737198219>Yeah but what specific law applies to me?!All of them retard. You cannot just write yourself out of being subject to it.
>>737197994no, it was on your thinking that >signing contracts is like signing a toilet paper and you can ignore it (lol)
>>737197727>i love big corp blowing bubbles into my assholeautism
>>737198275Yes but which one of them affects these games?
>>737198304see>>737198275You cannot just opt out of the law retard.
>>737196643Your terms don't actually mean anything because they are not legally binding under EU law.
>>737198317I don't actually and this is why I stay the fuck away from AAA cancerware slopyou do you, and keep giving them money and support then.
>>737198371Where does it say so in the law?
>>737190423Games are entertainment, which is way more important than art, you artfaggot tranny. Go drink red bull and look at mona lisa for 18 hours and see how fun that is. Fuxking arttards needs to get the rope.
>>737198383>no uno u
>>737198420art is more than classical music and paintings you fucking faggot
