>SFII is janky and competitive play is absolutely unbalanced autism>SFIII has horrible balancing and only has a few good new characters>Alpha series groove system chops up player kits and anything but V-ism is inferior competitively >SFIV is ugly as fuck and 1 frame linkls>SFV is also ugly and every character's potential is locked behind V-Trigger >SF6 is ugly, everyone plays the same, and the entire game is based on bloated Drive mechanics How is this the most popular fighting game series when every single game has something glaringly wrong with it. Choosing a SF game to play is like choosing which limb you wanna cut off.
>>737190745It came first.
i'm still play cvs2 for 19 years idgaf
Very simple actually. There's nothing better and the issues you bring up are overblown and exaggerated.
>1f links are badOh yeah I'm on /v/ lol
>>737190745cum on her ass
>>737190745SFV is the only good street fighter and the v-system helped in making it balanced.
>>737190745>everyone plays the samewhy do people keep repeating this obviously untrue statement
>>737192569Still haven't played it because the PS4 is picky about my fightstick. Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't.
>>737192569I feel like an idiot for saying it, but SFV is actually kinda good. Some of the characters don't look that bad, I kinda like the artstyle except for a few outliers, and they got pretty creative with some of the V-triggers in the later characters. Minat is some Guilty Gear level bullshit, it's kinda cool
SFV was the only game where you could pass pro level play as gold or platinum. If you play Tekken, SF6 or Strive there's a huge gap between "pro" and average gameplay. Casual players can't check obscure tech, they can't check the drive rushes, they can't do long ass combos. If you play SF6, Tekken or Strive below pro level you're just applying your own offensive, your own bullshit harder than your opponent. Then you watch pros play and it's completely different because it dogshit doesn't stick, it's like they're made of teflon.SFV was like that for everyone. There were no knowledge checks, no long combos, no reaction checks, everyone played the same game regardless of the level they were. You had core mechanics that made sense, were easy to understand but hard to abuse. Despite this same people still kept winning tournaments. It was by far the most balanced FG if not the most balanced competitive video game ever made
>>737192635I can only guess some e-celeb said it in some hour-long video essay, so now everyone's parroting it
>>737192635https://youtu.be/dmHg8T8IMuw?si=J9HJm58uNkZE9MKr&t=2440
>calls isms grooves>says they chop up character's kits>thinks only alpha 3 existsThis board just keeps proving that no one here plays videogames.
>>737190745tranime or tekken fan detected
>>737192569>the only good street fighterNahTurbo is better than Super Turbo, fuck supers.Super in the MegaDrive has this weird thing with characters being smaller but traveling the screen at the same speed the bigger sprites do making it a weird turbo mode with small attacks and special that move the character and fireballs being a bit faster that's probably the best 2 game by accident.3 Strike is good even with it's brokenness and even if some characters are suffering even Remy, the third worst, can dominate a match by doing things right.Super Street Fighter 4 was best 4 because it was free of all the bullshit of the start and all the bullshit that came after it.I agree, the last update of 5 is the best SF. Then everybody left for 6, which is shit.
>>737190745>im shit at every street fighter game ftfy
>>737190745i miss when Street Fighter looked like OP's pic, and not like DAZ3D porn.
>>737192569i enjoyed SF4 a lot, too, but i'd agree SF4 and SFV are the only good SF games.
>only game in the series that retires the characters nobody likes seeing for infinitely better alternativesKneel.
OP is either a tekkuck or an snkuck eternally triggered he's chasing after dead franchises.
>>737192569>fell for alpha 3 meme
>>737195986nah, fuck this game, it doesn't have Sakura.
Alpha series will always be garbage for turning Street Fighter into anime
>>737190745>Alpha SERIES groove system
>>737190745t. 5 hours spent across all games in arcade mode
>>737190745Every character in Super Turbo is viable
>>7371907454's art style wasn't ugly and 1-frame links are not bad. Kill yourself as soon as possible.
>>737197238lol
>>737197238SF4 is pretty ugly. all the 3D SF games are varying degrees of ugly.
>>737190745I wish i could get a bottom like Chun Li as a guy...
>>7371976054 is not ugly, it's worse than the pixel art but that's almost universally the case for any series that goes from pixel graphics to 3D. Being inferior to 2D doesn't make it ugly. It's a bit cartoony stylized, maybe you dislike that but that's a personal problem for you.
>>737197792SF4 is an ugly, low poly game.
>>737197858>uglywrong>low polywho fucking cares?
>>737197792its ugly, man.characters dont even have human skull shapes guile and balrog look like the missing link.
>>737190745Just play third strike funsies and umvc3 bro.
>>737197939You have shit taste.
>>737198349grow up, old man.
>>737198349this is also one of the shittiest looking kens.
when SF4 came out people were writing articles about how ugly it is
>>737198349>posts juriGet the cum out your brain. Just look at ken in your pic, the shading is so ass he looks like his chest got branded.
>>737198469>people wrote articlesOkay, people are wrong all the time. Want me to find some stupid articles for you?>>737198545So "juri looks good" is what I'm reading but you're being a cuck about admitting it. Concession accepted
>>737190745The only problem with SFV is the netcode albeit.
SF4 is the best fighting game I have ever played (inb4 troglodytes who don't know it singlehandedly revived fightans), but even I can admit that it looks like ass.
>>737198469TRVKE
>>737198469I certainly don't think any of them look good but they all have their charm that eventually grew on me. I'd kill for a SF game to look like the alpha era artwork though.
when SF3 came out people were writing articles about how ugly it is
>>737199010No I can't even understand how you can be attracted to this bug eyed freak, you're most likely another delusional footfag if you can't discern why she's gross to look at
when SF6 came out people were slimming on green kool aid
>>737200160Footfags can get the rope but if that face in your pic is actually downright ugly to you then you are gay and your opinion is meaningless to any discussion.
>>737200323Are you done being angry over pretend people you don't have to care about? I have been seeing your replies, you need anger management.
>>737198349>my eyes are up here, juri
>>737200886You seem angry over my opinions. Maybe take your own advice
>>737201078No, I'm just aware at the end of the day it won't matter what you say about something subjective. You're getting way too overheated over something you don't have to involve yourself with.Maybe it's time you walk away from the internet for a while.
>>737201152...Can you not have a disagreement or think someone is wrong without getting overly angry and needing to walk around to cool down? This website must be torturous for you. If anything on this site actually makes you angry then you honestly should take your own advice.Whether or not a game that came out over a decade ago was ugly is not something to get mad about. Vicariously seeing other people argue about it is even less worth getting mad about. It's not that big of a deal, the guy calling me delusional probably isn't that mad about it either but you can reply and ask him to be sure he's alright if you're playing 4chan therapist.
>>737201405There's a fine line between having a disagreement and becoming addicted to exposure to things that actually makes you mad regardless you ultimately have no power at the end of the day to make that person see your point of view if the subject is about personal preference.I have never been convinced to dislike something I like.
>>737199891they didnt though.they were writing about the cast being dogshit, which it is.
>>737201484>things that actually make you madAlmost nobody on 4chan is actually mad at any time, anon. If you hate seeing people argue about subjective things they can't change then this website again must be torturous for you. Not everyone is like you.
>>737201684Arguing over subjective things is a waste of time and you know it. You do it because you like getting mad.
>>737201781I don't find it to be a waste of time. If someone does provide a good argument for something it could change my mind, it's happened before. And if not then it's fun calling them a retard or making up an insult to lampoon them with. Either way it's fun to argue with people and see if you can back up your views with substantive points. Arguing and porn are the only two things you'll reliably find on this website, coming here for anything else is setting yourself up for failure.You really are the only one who seems mad here and it's over an argument you apparently weren't even a part of, which is pretty pathetic when you think about it. That's likely a waste of time by your own measure and maybe you can self-reflect and ask yourself if you're ironically engaging with me just to get mad right now instead of trying to be a pretend-therapist out of the kindness of your big heart.
it do b ugly tho
>>737202028He's clearly not convincing you of anything. You're just doing it to be mad. Your replies have been childish and I really hope you're not my age because that would be very sad. There's nothing fun being annoying or rude, you're just a punk who likes to say shit behind a fence because you know you can get away with it. It's childish especially when this site is meant to be for adults.It's getting harder and harder to find non edgy immature social retards on this site. The part is kids go on this site completely unchecked and they see the things you say and everyone wonders why kids today are nothing like they were before the internet.We we were to get rid of people like you or atleast lose unpaid privledge to reply, there would be a more positive and would look significantly better on the grand scale of things because site has become the bad influence across the board. He hasn't even been replying to you anymore because you wasted so much time doing nothing.
All SF games except V and VI are amazing, even V and VI are great.
>>737202310You do know Street Fighter 1 exists right?
>>737202296Jesus, you're... a lot angrier than I thought about all this. Yeah maybe take your own advice and get a break from this site lmao, you don't seem to do well with disagreement.Though it likely spills over into other aspects of your life if you can't control it even here. A pity.
>>737202562Wow, a nothing reply. Further proof you're here wasting everyone's time. You're even replying like that to want me to engage in arguing with you that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.You actually can't help yourself finding your next anger fix. Get help or atleast take a break from the internet. The fact you think someone says "hey, I think you've had enough" when it comes to addictive things like being on the internet you think I'm somehow attacking you.
>>737202698Look, you said subjective argument was a waste of time and because of that, I could only be doing it for anger. I tried actually discussing the reasons that subjective argument might not be a waste of time for someone. I talked about how my mind has been changed and that it can be enjoyable arguing with people and seeing if you can defend your views. How you can do that without being mad(getting mad would be counterproductive to examining your viewpoints).But you just flipped out and said I was a kid behind a fence or something. You clearly can't have an actual conversation at this point because you do legitimately sound angry. Your continued replies to me feel like you getting an anger fix and I'd suggest you stop for your own good. It amuses me to post dumb animals and call you a paint-licker so I can keep going but this seems to be doing you emotional harm.
>>737202389
>>737203017Yet at the same time look at how you're replying now vs how you were replying earlier. I completely proved my point.
>>737201605they did. magazines hated how it was ugly outdated 2Dslop
>>737203063I don't get what the joke is supposed to be, he said all. Not sure why you thought Street Fighter series started at 2.
>>737203115Earlier I was discussing SF4's art style which is largely visual and I posted an example, here I am discussing argument in general and your insecurities regarding disagreement. They are very different subjects that require different approaches. If we got off the topic of how you cannot handle someone thinking or feeling differently from you and got back on the subject of a street fighter game's art style then I would be arguing differently.
>>737203351You still don't get it yet do you? You CHOSE to engage in this conversation. Anyone not autistic would have just ignored the comment. You're so addicted to confrontation that you did not even hesitate to engage in my words. You think someone telling you something like "go outside" "take a break" "chill out" etc is some sort of attack like telling an alcoholic he's had one too many. I almost feel sad for you for how your father did not teach you to keep your emotions in check.You're a grown man, act like one.
>>737203549We're both choosing to continue this conversation. It's enjoyable for me to point out how unstable you are, but apparently this is very distressing for you. People who can't stop themselves from doing something that is hurting them are by definition addicted, so again I would suggest you take your own advice.You don't need to keep replying to me, you're choosing to do so.Just let it go, friend.
>>737203872All those words for a basic "no u". I even explained it just the previous message yet you can't stop. You're only proving my point further. You can't help yourself.
>>737203951We can take this back to videogame discussion if this hurts you that much. Which street fighter game had the best art style to (You) and why? I already made my own opinion clear but you skirted the topic.
>>737204142Again, you can't help yourself. You CHOSE to continue these replies. You're only proving my point.
>>737204193At this point I'd like to hear your opinion on which street fighter game had the best art style. That was the original discussion before you derailed it. You have to have at least some opinion or you wouldn't have entered the Street Fighter thread to begin with.
>>737204285I didn't derail anything I'm not the guy you were discussing it with. He CHOSE to stop replying. I never stopped him.
>>737190745>>SFII is janky and competitive play is absolutely unbalanced autismEvery character has seen top level play even cammy won a major>>SFIII has horrible balancing and only has a few good new charactersThat entire roster was fire dude>>Alpha series groove system chops up player kits and anything but V-ism is inferior competitivelyOnly a3 had isms. A2 and a3 kinda suck as competitive fighting games but a1 was a good game, setting aside the janky stuff while the other two games have deep deep cc system related flaws.>>SFIV is ugly as fuck and 1 frame linkls>>SFV is also ugly and every character's potential is locked behind V-Trigger>>SF6 is ugly, everyone plays the same, and the entire game is based on bloated Drive mechanicsThese games dont interest me, but 6 is appallingly awful. Drive is braindead. Its an excruciating boring homogenized game but even if the gameplay wasnt terrible, the newcomers story and aesthetic suck too its irredeemable
>>737204396Well whenever you want to stop being insecure about all things relating to argument, just reply to me with your take on which street fighter game had the best art style.
>>737204516I will do no such thing. You wasted your time.
>>737203127they didnt call it ugly>The great mystery is why Capcom called this SFIII instead of leaving that honor for a more powerful and revolutionary 3D title. Gameplay in the SF series reached the ceiling of 2D possibilities a while ago, and as good as this game admittedly is, besides the stunning graphics there's little to distinguish it from the 11 games before." GamePro similarly remarked that while the graphics are outstanding and the controls are flawless, the game lacks the innovation and series evolution that players expected it to deliver.
Is Juri good for a beginner?
>>737205195No, she prefers experienced men. Every time she smells a virgin she makes them cum as fast as possible to get them out of the way
>>737205195Someone like Lily, Marisa, Ken, Ryu, Luke, or Honda are better beginner characters, but play who's fun for you if you enjoy them.
>>737190745>SFIV is ugly as fuckit had the best artstyle of the 3d games, just too low rez models
>>737190745>Alpha series groove system chops up player kits and anything but V-ism is inferior competitivelyonly alpha 3 has groove shit and is why alpha 3 is both shit and not an alpha game, play the 2 actual alpha games and then come back, innfact play any of them to begin with since you obviously never played a single sf3 either
>>737190745If Cammy is supposed to be "serious" why is she always mooning the player in every game?
>>737202389sf1 is good though, a million times better than 2 4 5 and 6.
>>737204142>muh urt stuuuhlefuck off, tertiary nigger
>>737205287That's false. Juri's a cherryboy hunter
>>737190745>anything but V-ism is inferior competitivelyban it and suddenly alpha is the best street fighter
>>737205609>retard can't readWere you mad about the 1-frame links too?
>>737204418>Every character has seen top level play even cammy won a majorCharacter usage/winrates should be whats looked at when determining balance. All of you morons using one off tournaments to prove something is balanced is so absurd.
>>737206148If it was a major tournament then it shows that the character has the potential to compete with top tiers if someone gives a shit. Character usage for balance is the dumbest thing in the world and only plays to the ears of people who hate getting bodied by popular characters just because they're popular characters.
>>737205865no? why the fuck would i? why the fuck do you care about gay tertiary shit like muh uurt stuuuuhle? nigger.
>>737206148>Character usage/winrates should be whats looked at when determining balancetell me you have never played a fighting game in your life without telling me you have never played a fighting game in your life
>>737206605Because I don't want street fighter characters to look like Concord characters, retard. Did you really need that spelled out for you? I'd prefer a game to be appealing to look at while also being fun to play(you don't have to choose one or the other), but you apparently like looking at ugly designs because wanting them not to be ugly is bad to you for some reason. I don't want characters in videogames I play to look like ugly trannies because unlike you, I am not one.
>>737205609poser
>>737206445>If it was a major tournament then it shows that the character has the potential to compete with top tiers if someone gives a shitNo all it shows that in one instance a character won a tournament. Using "muh potential" as a means to show balance means every video game is balanced since basically every option technically has potential to win.>Character usage for balance is the dumbest thing in the worldOnly for you since it would prove you wrong. If Cammy has equal or near equal "potential" to every other character why don't the pickrates and winrates show this at all?
>>737207052If they win a tournament then it's not potential anymore, is it? It's results. "Potential" is people saying someone COULD put up results, and then they don't. Words have meanings.>If cammy has just as much potential why don't people pick her more?A number of reasons unrelated to her strength. She could be harder to use effectively, have a less appealing design than others, have a playstyle that people find unappealing, or specifically get hard countered by one particular character in a way that is unfun. "Potential" is a meaningless word and you're throwing that in to avoid the fact that if a character wins a big tournament with serious players then the character itself is strong enough. Period full stop. Strong or middle-tier characters are not always popular characters and balancing like they must be misses the point of why a lot of people pick the people they play in fighting games.
>>737206653Lmao then what should be looked at to determine balance? Final results from 1/100 tournaments?
>>737207448>It's resultsResults that pale in comparrison to other characters>"Potential" is people saying someone COULD put up results, and then they don't. Words have meanings.You used the word potential first knucklehead.>have a less appealing design than othersYou mean the character that was able to show up in almost all the games? Lmao>have a playstyle that people find unappealing, or specifically get hard countered by one particular character in a way that is unfunYeah thats what we would call being unbalanced.
>>737208051>you used potential once so now I'm gonna misuse it like a retardI did not use the word as a buzzword meme the way you are. You saw the word and lost your mind.Yes you absolutely should look to see if they can win against the best players playing the other best characters. If they can then you don't need to buff. If they can't then maybe they need buffs, maybe they don't, you look at other things. If a character puts up actual results and wins a major tournament against serious players then they are strong. Period full stop. Apparently to you "unappealing" and "unbalanced" are the same thing though because words mean what you want them to. Unpopular to you means weak.Win/playrates of any character will vary by skill, different characters will be better or worse at different skill levels because some require a higher baseline to properly execute their gameplan. The vast majority of players will never get out of bronze, do you wanna balance every single character around bronze level? That would level out the curve the most effectively.
>just got SF6 Base to try>classic controls are easier than SF5>the bar mechanics and gauges are understandable>nice reversals and tension>nice animations and moves>WTF is this creepy, uncanny art styleWhat were they thinking? I like the controls and gameplay but hurts to look at this style, faces and backgrounds. I feel like I will play with 2-3 characters for 10hours and drop the game.
To say that SFV was complete garbage on launch (and well beyond) would be an understatement. But, I think by CE SFV really did become a genuinely good FG. SF6 obviously had a much better start, but right now I don’t think it’s even close to being halfway to the level of CE. And, considering it’s popularity, I doubt Capcom has any interest in ever making any significant changes or updates to the game.
>>737207513How much the game rewards defensive play versus offensive play. For example 3S has weak character balance but the game balance is very strong.
>>737208493>If a character puts up actual results and wins a major tournament against serious players then they are strong.This still doesn't show the game is well balanced. All you appeal to is outliers.
>>737190745>>SFIII has horrible balancingThis is exaggerated, you can easily play more than half the cast of 3s and do well except at the very highest levels, and even at the highest levels there are many notable players that aren't just playing Ken / Yun / Chun. I recommend checking out some Japanese tournaments and players, they often show off more of the game than NA tournaments do.
or maybeyou just suc lol
>>737209437So now you've gone from a specific character to the entire game, moving the goalposts a bit. I ask again if you would balance it around bronze players only since that is most people and that would flatten the curve the most. That makes the most sense by your logic I imagine, that's the most players.
I miss Sakura, Akira, Karin and Kolin.
>>737196225>>737197067I fucking love women (*fictional)
>>737190745
>>737209590>So now you've gone from a specific character to the entire game, moving the goalposts a bit.No autismo OP's original point was the game is unbalanced. You shifted the goal post to Cammy's single tourney win to say it is balanced. And now you are trying to shift again asking me how I would balance the game since you failed to show the game is balanced.
>>737210004No I did not, retard. You or some other idiot said here >>737206148That you should look at character usage/winrate to determine balance and I said that if a character puts up results in a major tournament then character usage doesn't fucking matter in regards to balance. Then someone mentioned cammy here >>737207052I did not. If we're looking at it through character usage then it will by necessity be a character-to-character basis. Don't twist this shit.If you actually want to balance around usage and winrate then guess what mouthbreather? You need to pick a skill level to base that off of. And bronze is where most players reside. I(the smart one) would argue that if there is at least one echelon where a character is viable then there is no need top buff them. Some characters will do better and be more popular with shitters and others with skilled players. You CANNOT get around this unless you make every character the same and truly braindead simple.If a character is unviable anywhere then they need buffs. If they are unpicked everywhere but viable in at least one area then they do not need buffs but something else is wrong with the character independent of balancing.
>>737210662I like how in your entire retard babble you never consider just nerfing the overpowered characters. Its always just buff or change nothing for you.
>>737211045I'm not talking about OP characters, though, I'm talking about underpowered or underused ones specifically. I can talk about OP characters too if you would like to change the subject. Get ready for it now:Yes. OP characters might need nerfs if they exist in a fighting game.In a similar vein I like how in your retarded reply you never considered characters with game-breaking bugs. It's always nerf with you. Why did you not mention characters with game-breaking bugs?
>>737211295>Yes. OP characters might need nerfs if they exist in a fighting game.Yes dipshit OP characters exist in SF2. Its almost as if you could call the game unbalanced or something.
>>737190745>>737192486I'd love to rim her. lick her from asshole to clit in one lap
>>737211395That's great dumbass, I'm not talking about them right now with the other idiot, or with you if you're the same idiot. You can discuss one thing without it meaning you'd never do anything about a different thing, I'm just on the subject of underpowered/underused characters so I'll be talking about them specifically. Did you need that explained to you?If you want to talk about a different thing then make a post bringing up the different thing, don't just bitch like a passive-aggressive woman that it's not getting talking about.
>>737210662>You need to pick a skill level to base that off of. And bronze is where most players reside.Devs already do this dipshit. Do you think the devs of SF2 were top level players and balancing characters around them?
>>737211753Sounds like anon's idea was dogshit then. Figures.
>>737211430>not tailbone to clitThere's plenty of flavor and girlmusk north of the asshole.
>>737212505I'll save that for when I lick up her spine
Cammy is the hottest Capcom girl of all time and it's not even close.
>>737195589needs bush
