>genocide an entire world... or dont but le gay french family will be sad o algoincredible moral choice 10/10 goty goty gotyseriously i liked the game for the most part but the narrative shift was stupid bullshit
You only hate it because it's popular.
>>737195749I made that faggot play the piano.The mission always came first.
GOOD MORNING SAARS!!! :)
>>737195749Act I - 10/10Act II - 8/10Act III - 4/107.33/10
>>737195749It would be "genocide" in the same sense that deleting a Cities Skyline save with 100k people is. It really isn't. The main idea of the game was to make you connect to these characters, so that the moral dilemma at the end would have some weight to it. And that's what they are, characters in a painting. Not people. You weren't able to comprehend the plot beyond the basics.
>>737195921When will we get the Gustave lives dlc?Fuck that John Snow wannabe faggot.He deserves to suffer.
>>737195749That's the point, anon. The Dessendres are a family of Greek gods and their family drama is putting mortals in a meat grinder.
>>737195804You only like it because it’s popular. Isn’t that much worse?
>>737195947They are people. They are sentient, capable of thought, innovation, feelings, rebelling against their creators. The Dessendres are a thinly veiled metaphor for the Demiurge.
>>737196145So the demiurge has no ill intent, whereas the paintress is an (albeit tragic) villain. The paint, the monolith, the canvas, that's the hyle. It's not an apt comparison because her inspiration comes from grief.
and I would argue against them being exactly sentient. At least to me, it seemed like that was the ambition of the game all along. What else would stop the player from immediately picking the right ending? You need those anchors to try and give the alternative some more weight.
>>737196707Take Gustave's Lumina Converter. That's clearly a new invention, not something given to the people of Lumiere by the Dessendres, indicating sentience. Sims would not be able to innovate, to come up with something new.
>>737195749The French are allergic to happiness, much like the MC in how he gives up in the end like a typical Frenchmen.Expect more dramaslop in the next game.
Can we all agree that the ending choice was a million times better than MASS EFFECT 3?
>>737196870the converter is very obviously a meta joke about JRPG mechanics but I can see and understand the argument you're making.
>>737195749>nooo it's genocide when you simply stop drawing a painting because the fake people who aren't real who are going to die anyway would stop being drawnare you people just dumb or something? it's an emotional argument sure, it's not a logical one. you want a real person to die in a crack overdose, and a real persons soul to be infinitely bound to eternal torment, in order to perpetuate the existence of painted people.the choice is easy if you take 5 seconds to think it over instead of going with your feelings.actually the correct choice is one not represented, because it's not actually crack and wont actually kill you if you just do it occasionally maelle should simply make her own painting, and get to do it at weekends and be yoinked out by her father on sunday evening every time. maelles life in the real world can be improved dramatically, she does not need to escape it.
>>737197373Sure, but it's also a real in-universe device. The people of Lumiere have shown their ingenuity again and again: science, engineering, art. Hell, painted Alicia even recites a poem she wrote about their existence as painted people. They're sentient.
>>737197408>maelles life in the real world can be improved dramatically, she does not need to escape it.a woman that fucked up is basically a living corpse, her life is far better in the painting
>>737197510I don't think being able to design things equates to sentience, have you ever played a Ubisoft game?
>>737197510Notice how the poem is made by a real person inside the canvas and not one of the painted people? Just saying.
>>737197650Painted Alicia is painted, anon...
>>737197697no she was actually a shadow
>>737197697Yes, but she's a real person. She exists outside of the painting. Try not to be intellectually dishonest here, just because she went inside it doesn't mean she's one of them.
>>737197746Painted Alicia existed inside the painting even before real Alicia entered it.
>>737195947>Renoir makes a point of explicitly apologizing to the fake people
>>737197032"dramaslop" with bittersweet endings will always be better and have more lasting appeal than "happy ever after" endings, where nothing happens. That's why it's still talked about.Nobody talked about the ending of Metaphor, because defeating evil man who's evil for the sake of being evil, and miraculously ending all racism with no downsides, isn't very interesting.
Who the fuck are the writers and why does that subplot feel so out of place?
>>737195921Would rate act 1 and 2 lower for the broken gameplay but act 3 was actually terrible.
>>737197970You can get the other ending where racism wins
>>737197841I don't recall if anyone else in the intro recited poetry/sung anything (I assume they did since they had a concert hall), but we can see people of Lumiere painting and creating a synchronised dance, which are also considered a form of art.
>>737195749>o algowhere did this garbage ass meme originate?
>>737195749I agree. E33 fags have to be the most pretentious fags ever.The story for this game isn't even good. The first 2 acts are a generic save the world plotline, while the final act is a failed allegory for escapism.The escapism is bad message doesn't work because lumiere is basically a real dimension with real thinking people. At best you could argue the game keeps it ambiguous, but clearly it implies that the people of lumiere are real.Not to mention that using the paintings is objectively beneficial due to time dilation. You can use them to effectively extend your life.Either way, lumiere doesn't work as an escapism allegory and has no grounding in reality.The ending is also a bit of an artificial dichotomy created for the sake of melodrama.The gameplay of the game is also highly derivativeAll in all, you fags are retards impressed by shallow aestheticsThe story is not mature, and it's nowhere near a 10
>>737198239you didn't understand the story at all lmao
>>737195749>genocide an entire worldThe genocide already happened before you're given the choice.
>>737198320>No argumentLMAO
>>737195749Probably we are too the partitioned emanation of the soul of some schizo gods, just accept that shit work like this
Brainlet, this game takes place in Star Trek universe. Holograms aren't alive. That 'world' isn't real.
>>737197550Being able to innovate and create new things does. Ubisoft games are not new.
>>737198512I, for one, look forward to Azathoth waking up
So did he really fuck up any chance of a better alternative when he got rid of the letter and let Gustave die? Or is that cope?
>>737197816I'm going to rephrase because I know where you're going with this. Yes, she had a copy made before she entered. But the copy was still based on a real person. There are several similar examples, they didn't do it like this for no partiuclar reason. Esquie being a plushie, Monoco being the family dog. They are more real in a sense than the other painted people because they actually exist(ed) outside of the canvas. They are not simply characters. The goal of the game was bring life to the painted people. They have (or rather, were given) the capacity to suffer and produce art because of this, to fulfill the imitation, what don't you understand? They are still not real in the same sense Maelle, Monoco (arguably less Esquie due to being inanimate) are.>>737197958He apologized because they're capable of suffering, not because they're real or even sentient. I find it hard to believe he wouldn't been even remotely upset if that was the case.
>>737195947We have no idea about the complexity of the canvas world, whether there are laws of physics, how the painters intent interfaces with magic, did they design brains, does something like a brain occur as a byproduct of what they did design. For all we know it's a living breathing atomic-scale simulation of a real world comparable to ours, or it's literally an empty visual representation appearing in the eyes of Alicia and Aline and all the other painters through a shared psychic dreamscape with nothing existing beyond what they see in that moment, or anything in between.It's not at all analogous to a video game, whose boundaries we know precisely, since we can look at the design and the models and the code and interpret exactly which parts are being simulated when and how. For all we know, the canvas does in fact contain a magical simulation complex enough to generate actual sentience. The best evidence we have given how little we know from the outside is the attitudes of the painters. They know far more about canvas worlds and painter magic than the player does. It seems as though at least Renoir and Alicia treat the canvas people as though they have conscious experience. Aline doesn't talk much about it. Clea seems to view them as you do, mindless, unthinking visual representations of people, judging by her apathetic willingness to treat them with abject cruelty. Either that or she's a complete psychopath. So really the question comes down to whether you give more authority to Clea, the more talented and experienced painter of the bunch by far, over the collective convictions of Alicia, Renoir, and possibly Aline.
So when is everyone going to realize this game took a ton of its plot from Deemo? ten gorillian media literate gamers engaging in 'the discourse' and quoting Barthes at each other and yet I, a total dumbass, am seemingly the only one who actually played enough vidya to make the connection. I'm fine with analyzing games as art but critics are going to have to put in more than 0 effort.
>>737198583They make new things all the time. It might be bad innovation, but they're still innovating.
>>737198652Technically yes, but it's exceedingly unlikely that Aline or Alicia would have settled for a compromise anyway, so it basically turned a 0.01% chance to 0%
>>737198807>some obscure mobile rhythm game
>>737198665>He apologized because they're capable of suffering, not because they're real or even sentient.Nta but this is your headcanon. He didn't tell Alicia that they are fake either, despite being motivated to. He wants her to leave but never mentioned it? Ultimately you have no proof that they are just npcs.
>>737198928>Ultimately you have no proof that they are just npcs.not that the game was designed around you thinking they're real people before pulling the rug to make the ending choices have weight or anything
>>737198239>E33 fags have to be the most pretentious fags ever.They don't even defend their game from criticisms like some other insufferable fanbases do. They just say "you didn't play the game", "you aren't smart enough to understand an explicit infodump", or "you're brown"
>>737198807Ah, thanks mate, I was trying to remember what game that was.I think I've also seen one more obscure game where an anon claimed E33 ripped it off. And there's also the ChatGPT guy.
>>737198984>before pulling the rugBut there is no rug pullingIt was never implied that the people are fake. Unless you have proof.
>>737199131>It was never implied that the people are fake.Clea did. Renoir, Alicia and Verso say they're real. Aline it's unclear.
If you believe that Renoir doesn't think Painted People are real, you failed to understand his character.He knows they're real, they're just not more important to him than his objective.
>>737195749They are not gay tho, full hetero both side
>>737198859I think Alicia would have been willing to compromise if Gustave were alive. All she had to do was hold up to what she told Renoir when she said she wouldn't stay in the canvas forever, and then Verso wouldn't have felt like the only way to get her to leave was to destroy it all. I think Gustave would have helped convince her that she didn't need to stay permanently.
>>737199218Where though? It must have been in some note or optional area, because I never saw it. Either way the game keeps it very ambiguous. You can't make a definitive claim about this.
>>737199348Pretty sure it's at the end of the tower. Renoir and Alicia make it explicit, while Verso says it in some obscure area.I haven't played the DLC yet.
>>737199345Maybe, but that still leaves Aline. If Alicia compromises, that doesn't matter unless both Aline and Renoir do too. I can see her convincing Renoir since he already doesn't want to destroy the canvas, but Aline kind of ruins any chances.
>>737198807>DeemoI just read the synopsis on Wikipedia and the similarities are frighteningly similar.TLDR for everyone else>game is a bout a young girl called Alice>she is in some magical world after falling through the sky>she is helped by a supernatural being called Deemo who plays the piano which helps her with magic somehow>there is a point at which they enter a painting in order to reach somewhere>at one point she is confronted by the Masked Lady who grabs hold of her before they struggle and Deemo breaks them up>at the climax of the game, after Deemo helps Alice to overcome her final challenge to escape this world, it's revealed at this point that Deemo is a manifestation of Alice's older brother Hans, who died in a car crash, and that she's in a dream>the Masked Lady removes her mask and hood and it's a version of Alice, who wanted the real Alice to stay so that they could be with Hans>their world crumbles, Hans having successfully helped his sister escape, and she wakes up from her coma in hospitalTakes literally nothing away from the game for me but holy shit.
>>737198908I'd say Deemo was pretty popular as far as rhythm games go. But to the point, go crack an annotated copy of basically any important novel and you'll see that literary critics have gone to great lengths to catalogue obscure allusions and influences. I'm not saying any particular critic has to play any particular game, I'm criticizing the fact that the 'media literate' community (collectively) seemingly regularly fails to have anyone with the knowledge. >>737199028I'd actually like to know what other obscur (heh) games E33 took elements from, that seems way more interesting than anons arguing surface level themes for the millionth time.
A year in and we still have retards thinking the game's central idea can be condensed into Marche's infamous line from fftaAnd that comparisons to a Sims save file are truly apt and not just a funny joke to makeI picked Verso btw.
>>737198153It’s a Sharty thing
>>737199915For Black Souls the entire game is all about eldritch abominations trying to become Creators and creating their own little Gardens, where they have free reign. They all either go mad with their power of creation, they become obsessed with it or they use it to create weird eldritch breeding programs. The main antagonist of 2 is Nyarlathotep, who became a little too attached to the play. It's also depicted as a girl with a missing face.The game came out in English in 2020, and became popular here in 2021. Guillaume is a JRPG autist and there's a theory flying around that he is a /v/tard, so there's a non-zero chance he played the game.Though I chalk it up to funny little coincidences, plenty of those. Joyce claimed he'd never read Carroll until a few years into writing Finnegans Wake, and Gaddis claimed he hadn't read Ulysses until after publishing the Recognitions.
>>737199898yeah, that's why I'm surprised. In both games the whole reason the girls are in the coma dimension in the first place is because they were in a horrible accident of some sort where their brothers died saved them.I'm not really trying to criticize the game, I thought it was fun. I'm more criticizing the fact that every time I see anyone talk about this game it's people REEEEEEEEEing over which ending they chose. (so I decided I, too, should REEEEEEEEEEE, but about something else I guess)
>>737200397>died savedim a retard *died saving
>>737195749>o algo
>>737200370>Guillaume is a JRPG autist and there's a theory flying around that he is a /v/tardTo elaborate: look at his vidya taste, classic /v/ contrarianism. There's also this image, which fits Guillaume's profile perfectly:>reddit spacing>FFVIII fag>FFX fag>favours emotional, character-driven stories over philosophising>likes moral dilemmas and difficult choices>despite being a JRPG autist, he almost never mentions Xenogears in interviews>Lost Odyssey shill
>>737200568He’s 100% a /v/ poster. His taste in vidya is simply too /v/-core.
>>737200370Oh I never made the connection between E33 and BSI/II. (Dead Red Hood when) following the thought the Writers could function either as another garden (rival to the painting worlds) or potentially as a grand guignol style time repeaty thingy. (the Dessendre's are trapped in some sort of bullshit like Grimm) (In addition to the usual view of them being meta commentary on the literal writers of the game.) I wouldn't expect Sandfall to allow anyone to ever say a single thing about Black Souls even if it did inspire parts of the story; that would be bad for biz.>>737200568I would absolutely believe he's a /v/tard, I'd say a large chunk of people deeply into japanese vidya in general probably use 4chan. (weirdly enough 4chan, the internet hate machine, may be one of the least hostile places to japanese media.)Actually, now that I think about it, E33 might be a pretty good piece of 'otaku media' in the sense that it is extremely heavy on references/allusions to other games.
>>737200568Personally I think both are important. A 10/10 story makes you empathize with the characters and has hard choices that make you think. But at the same time, it should have effective theming and say something meaningful about the human condition. E33 kind of falls short on the last part, which is why I don't consider it to be a 10/10 story, although it's still a very good game.
>>737201703>weirdly enough 4chan, the internet hate machine, may be one of the least hostile places to japanese media.You serious? There's lots of Japan haters here. Even in the e33 fanbase there are fags who claim that it's better than all Japanese media (despite not having watched anything besides entry level Shonen slop)
>>737202008>Even in the e33 fanbase there are fags who claim that it's better than all Japanese mediaI wouldn't take those posters seriously. Maybe outside of 4chan, but here it's 99% bait or falseflagging. People who made images like pic related are also the type to hate all modern vidya (just look at the BG3 seethe), and they certainly wouldn't touch something so inspired by JRPGs.
>>737202008Dead serious. 4chan is an anime website after all. I think 4chan users are generally more likely to sincerely accept anime bullshit than basically any other website userbase. (minus trolls, but they are going to be dicks no matter what)
>>737195749>genocide an entire worldMore like take an eraser to your drawing, faggot
>>737195749This game stole most of its design from Jrpgs lmaoXenoblade 3 Persona 5Mario & Luigi RPGStar Ocean 3Final Fantasy XI have no idea how this game got away with all this praise. JRPG fans got cucked hard.
>>737202578Well yeah, the director said so himself. He grew up playing JRPGs and got annoyed that so few big budget JRPGs were made, so he decided to make one himself. His favourite games are Persona 3, Devil May Cry, Demon's Souls, Journey and Final Fantasy VIII. And he shills Lost Odyssey at every opportunity he has.
>>737198807>So when is everyone going to realize this game took a ton of its plot from Deemo?The fact is simply that "It was all a dream" is a played out trope that is almost always bad.
>>737199898Yowza
>>737202357>>737202493This is such extreme levels of delusional cope. Whatever, you can stick to your fantasies.
>>737195749>2026>I am forgotten>chingchingchong CCP propaganda
>>737195749For a game in which success is predicated on accurately dodging and parrying, it sure does a shit job of conveying when the correct moment to dodge and parry is. For as nice as these animations are, they feel utterly incongruent with the dodge and parry mechanic. Unpolished slop.
>>737195749There's something about it I liked. No matter how into it you get you still know they're just vidya characters. Them adding the extra layer and acknowledging most of the cast as just characters made it feel more real for lack of a better word.
>>737198807Ladies and Gentlemen, we got 'em.
>>737198665The people displayed more humanity than the painters. The dessendres couldn't even invent anything to prevent the cycle of suffering they created, which is using these worlds to indiscriminately create and destroy life in order to make themselves suffer. They have a retarded existence, while the luminarians actually care about each other and have an honorable mission. Your entire point is the Jewish world view.
>>737195749Need a DLC where Gustave doesn't die just to see how that would change things
