What is it about some characters that makes people get so attached to them, even if their role as being a relatively minor character is so telegraphed?
It's called having autism.
>>737200224they hate me for my aspie white boy mind powers
We as people are looking for thoughts, feelings and ideas that connect us to our own world in different ways, funnily enough, everything but directly.These characters get us in touch with those ideas and feelings and let us both see the world, and ourselves from different angles. There's also the simplistic idea of wanting to see the underdog have his or her chance. What if he turned left instead of right, what if another option was available, who could they have been, what kind of hopes and dreams could they have gone for.It's autism, but it's a kind of autism that rests deep within the heart of humanity.There's other simpler reasons I'm sure but that's my overcomplicated thought on the matter.
When Kanako and Cole are so close, Cole can't help sneaking a peak.https://files.catbox.moe/yo0iyp.png
>>737200147I don't know but I've been obsessed with these 2 for 2 years now even if they barely do anything or even interact in game. They just deserved better.
>>737200147Remember to use spoiler text for the new content. A lot of us still haven't finished day 2 yet.
>>737200521Extremely cute Nako. >>737200543https://rentry.org/mtt-fan-worksspeaking oflinks to the newest chaper should be within. chapter 2 is impressively content filled, not even just for a fangame. It's feature length at this point.
>>737200465So does this before chapter 2 or after chapter 2.
Reposting these here, since they're ostensibly part of a "sequence".Luzma inviting you to heat things up with her: files.catbox.moe/ndpdmt.pngLuzma getting heated up: https://files.catbox.moe/9u5g2c.png
>>737200147Why do Ceroba’s love interests (Chujin and Starlo) get betafied or reduced to orbiters more than Toriel’s (Asgore and Sans)?
I finally finished it, and I can say it's the worst fangame ever.> 10-minute side quests and dialogues>repetitive puzzles, especially in snowdin, the exact same two puzzles>double fights don't have anything special like Woshua/Aaron/Temmie, it's both attack patterns at the same time >character designs are strange, you got acceptable like Dalv looking like Count Von Count's cousin and the bat, to questionables like Martlet and the honeydew bear, to straight up furries like the Ketsukanes. >forces you to bond with the stupid ocs for the sake of the plot, only being 45% of the pacifist route alone>corny writing, looks like a comic dub from 2016. Everyone has one singular personality trait and takes long to develop. tries too hard to be serious, and there's barely any funny moments. all falls apart at wild east, with Ceroba's plan>genocide is OW THE EDGE. gaslights you to make you think it's the wrong choice, to the point you don't feel satisfied killing the stupid monsters, and Clover with that menacing look... Starlo even has a dramatic death that fits like a glove. Martlet being the final boss was way too predictable, they should've used someone silly like Mo to tone it down. And don't get me started on Flowey's and Asgore's deaths.>For a game that features the bullet shooting soul, you barely get to use it, only reserved for important bosses>rather than expanding the original story and try to explain what happened to Gaster and others, they give us a stupid fox scientist, who's a boss monster, something that only the Dreemurs had, and never elaborates, with a stupid plan that's somehow worse than Alphys'>Ceroba does a 180 and attacks Clover just so she could save her dumb daughter that she killed. you don't even get satisfied killing her, the game thankfully makes it look like a mistake.I give this a 3/10. There were good things like El Bailador, Guardener and the cups, but the rest is crap. Cant believe people unironically wanted this to be official
>>737200950A lot of the people who played yellow, are absolutely incapable of paying attention to what the characters actions and behavior in the games was likeI'm not talking about any of the arguments had here, there's always room for interpretation and the like with characters, but abroad, people ignore entire chunks of character display like how Starlo stood up to Ceroba twice in very serious situations.They just want their uwu softboy archetype.
>>737200995For a second I thought you were talking about Deltarune Yellow
>>737201073if it ever gets finished i'll check it too and give my thoughts, because so far it's not looking interestingforgot to mention that giving sadie relevance is funny since she only got 10 seconds of screentime, i completely forgot she was even there
>>737200995It's impressive when you can have opinions so shitty, that the biggest critics of the game in question can still call you a retard.Sorry to hear you didn't enjoy it though. You've got some understandable complaints mixed in with pure retardation.
>>737200995>the worst fangame ever.you don't know shit, yellow has flaws but it is far from the worstagree with some of your points (though not all)>>737201172you could say the same about kanako and gizmo since they have only 2 lines in UTY (the later doesn't even have an official name)
>>737201172The main characters in DRY are pretty much OCs, which I think it's fine, I wanted more content with the characters from UTY
>>737201247I am aware there are worse fangames but in terms of full games it's very dissapointingalso who the fuck is gizmo
>>737201458"Gizmo" is one of the many names the fandom has given to that cat npc near the arcade in UTY
sex with animal women
>>737201539No anon, it is "sex with monster women", some of them are literally balls of fire
>>737201509that explains why i couldn't remember, many npcs are forgettable when the majority of UT are iconic
>>737200995>to straight up furries like the Ketsukanes.Bero is clearly a furry, it's weird that you put her in a different category, but beyond that, Mother 3 with furries.> 10-minute side quests and dialoguesAre you talking about the scarf quest? genuinely what's the issue with that? was it not long enough?>>genocide is OW THE EDGE. gaslights you to make you think it's the wrong choiceThis is the same old "Undertale tries to make me feel bad for killing them all" brain damage>double fights don't have anything special like Woshua/Aaron/Temmie, it's both attack patterns at the same time yeah I can agree, some of the attack patterns were really off in the game. There was also the issue that a lot of attacks were missing an appropriate level of wind up. Not as bad as some fangames, but it's noticably a fangame issue. I think this comes from being your own play tester, or not getting enough playtesters to give actual feedback.>Martlet being the final boss was way too predictable, they should've used someone silly like Mo to tone it down.That's too dumb to justify with a response>rather than expanding the original story and try to explain what happened to Gaster and othersAh I've fallen for a shitpost. Well you put a lot of effort into this shitpost at least, and it's too late to turn around now>Ceroba does a 180 and attacks Clover just so she could save her dumb daughter that she killed. you don't even get satisfied killing her, the game thankfully makes it look like a mistake.Cerobas plan all along was to betray you. Her goal also wasn't "to save her daughter", but she seemed to hope that maybe a miracle would happen. Saving Kanako was her "hopes and dreams" but she was doing this even if it wouldn't save her at all.>with a stupid plan that's somehow worse than AlphysAlphys is defined by her complete and total lack of a plan. She just gave injecting the fallen down with goop a shot, and when that didn't work, she gave up.
>>737201740also>For a game that features the bullet shooting soul, you barely get to use it, only reserved for important bossesyou're completely right on this one. I'm glad that DRY is going in the right direction by giving more fights that use yellow soul abilities. It's a noticable improvement.
>>737200995I would probably give it a 5/10 simply because I found the gameplay and especially the Steamworks and Axis fun, but outside you get a very hard agree. Extremely overrated fangame that would've been forgotten if the designs weren't so goddamn furry.
>>737201579How many of them aren't animals tho? among the important ones I mean
>>737201740>Are you talking about the scarf quest? genuinely what's the issue with that? was it not long enough?meant stuff like the golden scarf quest, which has a secret boss that sadly is the only attempt at actual humor>Ah I've fallen for a shitpost. Well you put a lot of effort into this shitpost at least, and it's too late to turn around nownot a shitpost. the CORE shows up but they never elaborate how they built it up. I was even doubting if mentioning it since these threads are hostile towards certain characters
>>737201579>some of them are literally balls of fireHell yeah they are.
>>737201579Sex with Martlet, Sex with Ceroba, Sex with Luzma, Sex with Quetzali, Sex with Wiki, Sex with KitsyAnd many many more.
>>737200147Just because they aren't written into the plot of a game doesn't mean that they aren't interesting in their own right, possibly to the point of being more interesting that the entire main cast and plot combined
>>737200147I don't think this question really applies to BunBun, but I'll answer it anyways. People read stories in different ways, and what seems obvious to one person may not be to another. So while a character may seem totally unimportant to one, may seem incredibly important to another. These could even apply to the author, after its entirely possible to mean one thing and write another. Deltarune being a mystery story which encourages people to pick apart and analyze small details only exacerbates the issue. Combine that with Undertale's fandom being mostly autists who have a strong attachment to these fictional ideas, have a strong preference for familiarity and a natural opposition to change, and its only natural people would become attached to ideas and then be unhappy when they find out those were just in their mind. This in turn is the exaggerated by chapters 3 and 4 being stuck in dev hell and having to cut a lot of stuff and be rushed out the door, which makes any narrative changes feel more abrupt and unnatural.
>>737200696>chapter 2 is impressively content filled, not even just for a fangame. It's feature length at this point.Yeah, DRYanon's work ethic is insane, the full DRY game will be much longer than UTY.
>>737201946>I was even doubting if mentioning it since these threads are hostile towards certain charactersI'm rolling my eyes here anon. At worst, the threads are hostile towards Toriel and even then a lot of people like her despite her flaws.>is the only attempt at actual humorno I'm going to reiterate, you're shitpostingBut again, sorry to hear you didn't like the game. Sad that those feelings seem tied up in your victim complex over the skeletons.Anyways, the prequel not touching on the same stuff as the original thing is a good thing in my eyes, even if yellow did in fact fail in a lot of areas.
I got 11 hours of sleep last night. I'm going to try this weekend to write some of the ideas I've had over the last few weeks.
>>737202148dunno about skeletons but it wouldn't make sense for them to appear (even sans had a sprite in the files for some reason) but even then their characters would be butchered knowing the devsglad to see we agree on something still
>>737200995>>rather than expanding the original story and try to explain what happened to Gaster and others,I'm glad you aren't making fangames
>>737202276Sans was used as a placeholder sprite during development a few times, but they intentionally did not put him in the actual game. Shoehorning gaster into the game wouldn't make it any better. In fact, Gaster only works as a thing in undertale for how NOT present he is in the game.
>>737200147>>737202004Now onto the issue of BunBun and what makes me so attached to her. I just find the idea of childhood innocence and nostalgia to be very appealing because of events in my own life. So I'm very sympathetic to Kanako wanting to hold on to a piece of her childhood, especially when she's coping with a serious loss in the form of Cole's custody battle. I see how much Kanako clearly cares for BunBun and how she clings to her for emotional support in the crisis and I see myself reflected. And in turn seeing that last bit of comfort and innocence she held onto for support ripped away from her and corrupted into something evil strikes me at the core. I imagine myself in that situation and the pain I would be feeling In short, I'm an overly sentimental wuss who really likes cute stuffed animals because they remind me of simpler times.
>>737202325sorry but you cant just take out a key character from the game and replace him with an excuse of a scientist who relies on asgore for his lore
>>737202484You actually can, the underground is a large place.In fact, we already know you can because it happened to gaster in the first place. He was just removed from the game and replaced with another scientist who is clearly less competent. interesting how that works.
>>737202404>In short, I'm an overly sentimental wuss who really likes cute stuffed animals because they remind me of simpler times.That's fair, everyone has their weak points.I personally think things being corrupted into evil/darker versions of themselves is just really cool, but to each their own.
>>737200305Aspie white boy powers are both a blessing and a curse. Like being psychic, you gain a power of imagination never thought possible, but it also holds a terrible power of you. Sometimes I envy those who are blind to it.
>>737202579that's kinda lame, I would have preferred that Chujin was responsible for his disappearance in an act of jealousy to make him a worse character On another note, I found stupid how one of the fates of the missing children was in a secret tape behind his grave.You know, the reason why Clover fell down?
>>737202579>>737202859see >>737202390any fangame including gaster is asking to be outdated instantly when tobias drops the actual lore in chapters 6 and 7
>>737202859>I would have preferred that Chujin was responsible for his disappearance in an act of jealousy to make him a worse characterseems like spiteful writing. Being spiteful towards your own writing never makes it better. Andrew hussie is a living example of this.>On another note, I found stupid how one of the fates of the missing children was in a secret tape behind his grave.but this was kino
>>737202579You shouldn't bother replying to that guy, it's the dumbass who's obsessed with skeleton dick deliberately arguing in bad faith.
>>737202954deltarune and Undertale are different games, they are probably not the same entity just like how UT Gerson and DT Gerson are different Also it would make people hate the fangane more
>>737200147For me, it's a combination of relating to the character, and wishing that character exists IRL so I can get along with them. Take for example, Ramb. He had very little screentime, small variety of sprites and little dialogue, and doesn't even have a battle of his own, but he won as being my favorite character created by Toby for three reasons.The first is that I find Ramb to be, in a way, relatable.Ramb was shown to be what I describe as "sympathetic loser", like Spamton when you first find him in a garbage can. Sure, Ramb got a job and is valued by Tenna, but he didn't get a Shadow Crystal and become a secret boss like Jevil and Spamton did, instead, he turned to stone without accomplishing anything significant. The game doesn't mock him for that (no, Pippin being a jerk doesn't count) and does make you pity Ramb, especially since not even darkners understood him or what was his deal.I found this to be relatable because I also didn't make it big like many people I've seen online who were either similar age of mine or younger.Second reason is that Ramb is someone very supportive. He cares a lot about Kris. He knows Kris well enough and their adventures, arguably as much as Tenna if not more. Ramb is so supportive of Kris, to the point he goes out of way to do unethical things like letting Kris play the original versions of the games that Tenna have modified, just so Kris can have some fun. And if that wasn't enough, Ramb even provided a way for Kris to obtain the Shadow Mantle. So if it weren't for Ramb, obtaining chapter 3's Shadow Crystal would've been nearly impossible.I do wish I have a friend who is as supportive as Ramb and cares about my well-being like him.Third reason is that I love Ramb's quirk of making references. He says things like "big shot" and "chaos chaos", which is pretty funny and on the nose. I'm someone who also loves making dumb references like that.Thank you for coming to my TED talkI hope Toby makes merch of Ramb
>>737203012my bad, since he gave the impression that he actually played the game, I was trying to respond legitimately, but the opinions being stated arewell it's just fucking stupid.
>>737202954Isn't this a fangame thread? Why do people care so much about canon when the character isn't a furry OC? Yellow already breaks canon anyways.
>>737203012as I said, 500 skeletons being in the game wouldn't save it from being mediocre at best. I am sorry that you developed a phobia to your internal body as a kid
>>737203175because when you pick a big char like gaster and do something with it you get more scrutinylook at deltatraveler for exampleit's easier to get away with unknown characters or ones that had little screentime because they are pretty much blank canvases
>>737203082if I didn't play it I wouldn't make this rant, and trust me, it was a hell to go through, I even spared the roba to not go through this bullshit again
>>737203238deltatraveler sucks not only because of the writing, but because Ness and Paula job to people weaker than them and GG!Sans was rectonned to feel bad for obliterating children
>>737203294Sorry that you have even worse taste than us anon. I tried to engage with your opinions, but most of your thoughts sound like mean spirited nonsense that would just be channeling your bitterness into the writing. I'm sure that despite the fact that you didn't like it, you'll be sure to let us know repeatedly over the coming years, while not engaging in any creative endeavor of your own such as trying to make your own ideal fangame.I'll stop giving you attention since you're clearly not arguing from a place of sincerity or passion. I accept though that yellow could have done a lot of things better, which is a large part of why these threads exist.
>>737203238But it's still a fangame, a prequel at that. It should involve the "previous generation" of characters like Gaster, Gerson, Asgore and Toriel. I don't even think Gaster would've made yellow better or I want him in, not the same anon, but this phobia at fan content including actual characters because it might "break canon" is dumb when Yellow breaks canon already and Toby himself told you to not worry about it. Plus Gaster fangames are popular and loved. It's just my personal pet peeve about the current soul fangames not feeling like actual prequels but just furry original games with an Undertale paint. But that is what these threads like so I know they aren't for me.
>>737202613Personally, I greatly this idea of fighting to preserve something good and pure despite the encroaching darkness that either seeks to snuff it out or corrupt it. My view of the world is colored by this conservative outlook (in a more literal sense rather than a political one). I always feel like I came in on the tail end of things, and everything is fading and weathering with time. So I find myself viewing preservation as the ultimate good and change and what others may view as "progress" as evil. I've cried over the deaths of empires and felt sorrow over the ends of eras. You can think of my view like that of the people trying to maintain the flame in dark souls. Which I guess would frame your cool corruption like the encroaching darkness that they are losing a painfully slow battle to. I've developed a habit of anthropomophizing objects because they have more permanence than people, which is probably why Deltarune resonates with me so much. And why I adore characters like Tenna and find myself wanting to battle the very thematic intent of the story itself just to keep them around doing what they used to do. (My silly autistic ass even called my tube tv a good TV and gave it plenty of attention after that). This of course colors my writing as well, which I'm sure you would see in Oldentale a lot of the characters especially Wiki are basedon this. Hence why she looks like a Dark Souls character
>>737203580>It should involve the "previous generation" of characters like Gaster, Gerson, Asgore and TorielNo? UTY was mostly trying to tell an original story in Undertale's setting, using previous characters would be boring because they have been done to death in the fandom, having original characters is much more interesting.
>>737203580thank you for explaining it better than me
>>737203580>but just furry original games with an Undertale paintpeople would take you more seriously if you dropped this point. Toby is a furry, toby called his came mother 3 but with furries.yes fangames could serve to improve in a lot of ways, and a lot of times people reach those improvements by trying and failing, but this whole ""furry games with an undertale point" makes you sound foolish.
>>737203651>You can think of my view like that of the people trying to maintain the flame in dark soulsSo you are a manipulative entity trying to stop mankind from gaining power?this is obviously a joke
>>737203717when the "original characters" are more known for porn and people jacking off to them rather than their involvement in the story and writing, you know you are doing something wrong
>>737203804you don't need to always support the creator, especially when he makes shit like Ralsei and refusing to translate his game while sucking off Japan
>>737203871Clover and Starlo are more known from porn? don't be disingenuous, all games have porn and there is more sfw fanart than nsfw.You seem butthurt becuase people would rather try original ideas instead of reusing the same characters from over a decade.
>>737203871It's this persistent denial of reality that makes you a joke.>>737203967>alwaysthis isn't about supporting the creator. this is about a fundamental fact of what undertale is. You don't have to be a furry to like undertale, but undertale is extremely furry intentionally.
>>737203651Boy, we really are just completely, diametrically opposed to one another, huh?Don't get me wrong, I think certain things should be preserved, and I don't even necessarily think change is an inherently good thing all the time, but in most aspects, we really could not be more different.Fascinating.This does leave me worried that Oldentale may end up not being for me when it's done, and that would suck, because I'm actually looking forward to it, but I understand that's more of a fundamental difference between us rather than an actual "problem" of any kind.>You can think of my view like that of the people trying to maintain the flame in dark souls. Which I guess would frame your cool corruption like the encroaching darkness that they are losing a painfully slow battle to. Hey, I said at one point that I also like characters being broken out of their corruption too.Rinzler was a badass, but he fought back against his rectification and turned back into Tron in the end, so it's not just corruption that does it for me.Light and dark, a balance between them.
>>737203717I'm not talking about UTY but general soul fangames. Despite not liking yellow so much it does the job decently enough for a prequel. It's just the human SOULS exist in canon Undertale in service of Asgore and Toriel’s character but more and more fangames seem to refuse to use them. Original characters should be used but at some point the fangame is so "original" that I wonder why it's an Undertale fangame in the first place.>>737203804Not the guy you were arguing with, but maybe focusing on the furry part makes it too confrontational. It's more so that the fangames feel so disconnected from Undertale that I wonder why they aren't just original furry fangames. They seem to actively avoid to use even the Undertale characters that make sense to show up, so I wonder why they're even based on Undertale if there's such a fear to break "canon" (even though a fangame isn't canon by definition)
>>737204065the "furries" in Undertale are mostly wacky and uncanny, and easily ignorable anthropomorphic ≠ furry
>>737204227Are you sure?
>>737204227>easily ignorableYeah you can easily ignore Toriel, who's only the second character to be presented in the game, or Asgore who's one of the main antagonist, or Asriel who's the entire reason the plot of Undertale happens at all.
>>737204307yes I'm sure
>>737200372The idea of unimportant characters as meta narrative underdogs is something that I think about a lot. I remember having a dream once where I was playing a game that does the thing where it has a prologue where you play as a different character, who dies to get the plot rolling, and is replaced by another character as the true protagonist. In this dream I got to the part where the character is scripted to die. It was a room with some with rising flames or a crushing ceiling, and I was on a timer to get out. Only to get out I had to jump a massive gap, and the prologue character didn't have access to the game nechanic needed to clear that gap. So he's meant to jump and die. However I somehow managed to glitch my way over that gap, and my character survived. That unlocked an entirely different story, and it was basically a different game since the prologue guy played completely different from the actual protagonist. That's stuck with me for years.
>>737204171>I wonder why it's an Undertale fangame in the first place.Because people want to tell stories in Undertale's world and the soul prequels provide a perfect setting for that. besides Toriel always being the first character you met would get boring quickly, she has a place, but it doesn't have to be at the start, as for Asgore, what do you expect them to do with him? he only shows up at the end and the vast majority of prequels die before that point.
>>737204171>that I wonder why they aren't just original furry fangames.that's a more understandable statementmy answer is that a lot of people want to create something, and fangames are the perfect starting place when you feel passionate about the world the game has, while letting you grow your own skills. Like has been said before, toby got his own start with fan works, and a lot of those were very much so nonsense that were disconnected from earthbound, but it gave him the practice that helped him make what he made next.>hey seem to actively avoid to use even the Undertale characters that make sense to show upconsider making OCs like practicing making something original, but within the safety rails of a pre-existing setting. not every OC will be a good fit of course, but when you have a setting to work with, it takes a lot of the stress off your shoulders to make a new character. After all, making a completely original character from your own setting, and doing it well isn't necessarily an easy task. I do think people should try it as creators, but working within the bounds of OC makes the climb a LOT less daunting. Creating fanworks sharpens your own skills, and while a lot of people may not go on to make something completely original, it opens the door to that possibility. it's not the only way to reach it, but it's a valid way.>so I wonder why they're even based on Undertale if there's such a fear to break "canon"People gravitate towards a concept of "internal consistency" even if they don't actually know what it is. it's a sense of wrong or rightness in a setting divorced from reality. They want it to feel like their creation fits the world they've put them in, people get this mixed up and think that they need to "fit canon" when in reality, canon is a spook. Canon should be used only as a tool when it helps to create what you want, but people are afraid of making something "irrelevant" and so try to constrain themselves to these bounds
>>737204470I wish I had cool dreams, or dreams at all for that matter.
>>737204171>>737204529so I think you bring up some fair questions, but I do think there are reasons why people approach things these ways.
>>737204449Well, you're wrong.
>>737200950Ceroba is a strong, tall, and willfull woman, while her love interests are meek nerds. So people who fetishize the idea of a dommy mommy self insert as Chujin or Starlo to do it.
>>737204623listen, she has a proper design, looking like an anthropomorphic rabbit You think characters like Jake the Dog and Gumball are furry as well?
>>737204682Eh, some people just use the standard anon for it.
>>737204682if she's so strong why she couldn't stop Clover's genocide? Or save Starlo before he was executed?
>>737204501But the stories are so far removed from Undertale's world that I wonder why it's not an original fangame instead. A lot of the soul prequels shilled here are barely relevant to Undertale's main plot, that's the point. Toriel doesn't need to be the first character you met but a lot of fangames posted here just skip her and have no plans at all to include her because "she was already used too much". There's plenty of ways you can have her interact with a fallen child, same with Asgore. Despite being a fangame thread people are afraid to include the Undertale in the Undertale fangames, I get that all the Sans fangames might have traumatized people, but this fandom is overcorrecting too much. My main complain is that people seem to deliberately not want to include Undertale content in their fangames out of fear of several things which feels weird for a fangame thread.
>>737204706Buddy, you should play UT and take a look at some of the other designs sometime, there's way more and way more extreme than just QC.
>>737200995>rather than expanding the original story and try to explain what happened to Gaster You had me going for a minute.
>>737204763She's already ridiculous strong for a normal monster, even her strength has limits
>>737204803nah lol they are normal and unlike UTY the game is funny
Everyone just quit replying to this guy, it's the same guy who keeps pestering everyone about Sans and Gaster, he's just switched up his tactics.
>>737201928Well DRY has flower girls and inanimate object girls, UTN has a fire girl, DR has water, computer, program, and weather channel girls.
>>737205062Deltarune Retold?
>>737200147you know with that button eye this could have been a stealth TADC thread instead
>>737204767>But the stories are so far removed from Undertale's world that I wonder why it's not an original fangame instead.They aren't removed, they still happen in the Underground, they still have the basic premise of Asgore declaring war on mankind.>A lot of the soul prequels shilled here are barely relevant to Undertale's main plot, that's the point. Toriel doesn't need to be the first character you met but a lot of fangames posted here just skip herWhich ones? Because as far as I know only WIldfire and Naranja skip Toriel.>and have no plans at all to include her because "she was already used too much". There's plenty of ways you can have her interact with a fallen child, same with Asgore. Do you have any confirmation that they won't include Toriel? I already explained Asgore, he only shows up at the end in both UTY and Undertale, him showing up earlier wouldn't make sense.>same with Asgore. Despite being a fangame thread people are afraid to include the Undertale in the Undertale fangames, They aren't, you still get things like the humor or the game mechanics being part of the story and all the worldbuilding from Undertale, the only thing people have here is Skeleton fatigue, which is justified, besides, including the skeletons wouldn't make sense in most fangames.
>>737205041you're right, we should be talking about Bero and Dalv.
>>737205149Wrong board.
>>737202484You can though. Hell, Gaster's entire character is how he was removed from the game and everything went on fine without him.
>>737205182You know, when I originally made the post that that image was apparently made as a reply to, I was very close to saying "to the CBT dungeon with you" instead of the "shame corner".In an alternate timeline somewhere, we could've had Bero calling for an anon to be dragged to the cock and ball torment nexus.
>>737205041I want to know, for how long you have known UT? You didn't join after Yellow release, right?
>>737205289Dark evil and twisted Bero.
>>737205041I'm not that shitposter, I'm genuinely just venting about my grievances. I don't actually want skeletons in all fangames but I knew there was no point in discussing my personal problems, there's a reason these threads are years old now, there's clearly an audience for this type of fangame.
>>737205182i sometimes wonder how dalv would introduce her to the clover crew
>>737205361Buddy, I've been following Toby's work since his Homestuck days, don't start with me.
>>737205438damm, you gotta be, like at least above 25
https://x.com/KaruSnep/status/2044171572823371803This art anon is never coming back is he?
>>737203175Nta, but a lot of people just have skeleton fatigue because of all the genuinely awful fangames about Gaster and Sans. An OCfest brings something new to the table that tired old concepts like Gaster don't.
>>737205430my autism has me imagining everyone at a gathering, Martlet with anon anon, Ceroba with a different anon... Luzma somewhere in the background of the establishment with yet another anon, and Dalv has been nervous about introducing his girlfriend to everyone because he's the only person that got with a monster.
>>737205392if she tried to kidnap me I'd blow her brains out, yanderes suck
>>737205392It's also possible Bero is just like that normally, but keeps it hidden within.Dalv's in for an interesting night the first time they get together.
>>737205528Undertale yellow written by Ian Flynn
>>737205512That's one way to say you don't know how long ago Homestuck came out.
>>737205528I think he stopped by a thread again a month or two back but I guess everyones autism works differently
>>737205534instead of anons they should be Gerson clones i think
>>737205637Need more references and crying lesbians
>>737205648so you are an unc, that tracks
>>737203049Hmm... BunBun reminds me of Ramb>both don't become secret bosses despite being shizos>both want the best for their respective owner>both get petrified/jailed in the end>both represent their owner's childhood>both are chained to their roleThe question is... Will you shed a tear for her?
>>737205427I think you have some points, but others are over exaggerations like the thing about fangames being afraid to include Toriel and Asgore.
>>737205534I can't tell which of these anons would be me.I guess I have been really into Luzma lately, huh.
>>737205528That's very pronounced snout.I like itAlthough I don't like the art's flat colors. Looks more like a WIP art
>>737205749so ramb if he was lame
>>737203049I respect the autism, even if I don't share it for this particular character. No judgement, my thoughts are occupied far too much by characters.
>>737205737Also wrong, I've just been around a while.Then again, anyone who says "unc" can't be older than 14, so you shouldn't even be on this site.
>>737205845I'm 23, I assume you are around the same age
>>737205791who knows, we're all in some kind of quantum superposition of scrimblo relationships. Theres some slightly overlaid alternate dimension nearby where 2 of the anons are just chatting with chujin about robotics, another alternate timeline connected to the past where reynault wiki and kitsy are, it just goes on and on. All true, and all false at the same time.
>>737205915>I'm 23>says "unc"Lol, no.
>>737205915I'm 23 too and I have never said unc
>>737203580I think the fundamental issue here is a disagreement over what a prequel is. You seem to think of a prequel as a story that sets up or explains the story its a prequel to. Like the Star Wars prequels. (Correct me if I'm wrong). Meanwhile the other people here tend to view a prequel as a story set before another, with no necessary connection between them beyond sharing a world and history. Usually this latter form of prequel exists because they just wanted to tell a story in that world and the only place it would fit is in the past. Like Hound of The Baskervilles, which was written years after Doyle had killed off Holmes, so it had to be a prequel to happen. Or Temple of Doom, which is set before Raiders so they can sidestep the issue of the fighting in India and China. As to why most of the characters don't appear, Undertale has a wonderful world with a lot of interesting and unique quirks. So I think its reasonable to want to explore other parts of it and meet other people in it without being tied down by the existing characters, who are largely set in stone. The best example of that is Knights of The Old Republic. What makes it so great is that its a completely new story with new characters in the existing Star Wars setting. It wouldn't have been nearly as good if it were just some generic sci fi universe. (Hell, that's why I still don't care about Mass Effect. Bioware's original sci fi setting just doesn't have the same appeal. No shade to people who like it though).
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>>737204529This is a pretty fair response, it's just that I think of examples like Freedom Planet where it was supposed be a Sonic fangame but it was made an original game because it fitted better, and I wonder why people didn't just make more original fangames but you actually made decent points in favor of it. I still think people are too afraid of fanon in a fangame thread ironically enough. >>737205159>>737205530Yeah, I'm mostly talking about Naranja and Wildfire here, and I don't know if those fangames won't include the Dreemurrs, I'm just being pessimistic because of the example set by Yellow. Meta mechanics and humor aren't exclusive to Undertale, but I get the worldbuilding complain.I get people have skeleton fatigue but there's an overcorrection were people seem to be against the idea itself of Gaster being in a SOUL fangame despite him possibly making sense in it. Personally I don't want him in one but there seems to be an extreme adverse feeling at including Undertale characters in Undertale fangames which made me wonder why not make original games instead.
>>737203838Which game did they introduce that in? Anyways, the world being swallowed by darkness seems to be certain death for all the non undead humans and a fate worse than death for those that are undead. So even if it does give humanity darkness powers, it seems like they would cease to be humanity and become something else, which I would consider to be evil under the framework I operate on. Really though, it feels like the darkness ending is just putting everything out of its misery, while kindling the flame is suffering through life just to stave off the inevitable a little longer because the alternative is worse.
>>737205989>who knows, we're all in some kind of quantum superposition of scrimblo relationships.Ah, yes, the true answer to the conundrum, [picrel].>Theres some slightly overlaid alternate dimension nearby where 2 of the anons are just chatting with chujin about robotics, another alternate timeline connected to the past where reynault wiki and kitsy are, it just goes on and on. All true, and all false at the same time.Well, I don't think anyone else feels as strongly for Reynault as I do, so at least I won't have to fight too many people for him.I've been thinking lately about whether or not he would like being pet, and scratched behind the ears. I like to imagine that while he probably wouldn't say so out loud, he'd actually enjoy it.
>>737206240>I still think people are too afraid of fanon in a fangame threadto be fair, I think a lot of us here go wild with the fanon ideals and just go crazy with it. we had a whole drawn out conversation about what if chujin was actually alive on the surface, breaking the canon of our own non canon fanfiction story. But yeah, freedom planet is a good example, and I think spark the electric jester was inspired by sonic fangames or something like that?For me personally, writing about these characters I like a lot, calms me down, brings me happiness, and makes me better at writing over time. Maybe it would be best if I pursued writing a book wholly of my own, and hey maybe one day I will do something like that, but sometimes it's best to just chase ones own happiness even if it doesn't produce something completely original.Sometimes also, people just have thoughts dreams and feelings they want to express related to the characters in a universe, and making a sellable product was never in the list of desires for them. when it comes to the creative drive, it's best to just ride it through and see where it takes us rather than try and force it into something that doesn't fit. Though of course we should course correct in it to make sure we are improving, because there's satisfaction at improving ones skills.I do think you could do stuff with Gaster, but to be fair tons of people have written their own original gaster takes over the years. so it's not as though no one cares about the idea, but in the small handful of fangames on 4chan where people have stuck with it long enough, the people in question don't seem to be interested in going that way and are inspired by something else about the world. The only genuine hostility I think people have here to the idea of gaster, is that there's one autistic kid who's been shitposting in the threads for months calling anything not related to gaster shit, so when gaster comes up, people are liable to assume it's that
>doing the Undertale style battle in the Light World bit that everyone constantly hypes up as the craziest thing vanilla Deltarune could do>it's for a gagbased lol
>>737206673I stayed up til 5 am on a work night finishing the chapter, and that shit blew my mind.especially because it reveals how the battle layout works in deltarune yellows light world, and while it could never get used again, there's a very real possibility that it does Kanako also has more HP than Cole the layout of that room did not justify how long you can move forward before running into those things, which is either a psyche out completely, or tells us there's something weird about that room
>>737204134>This does leave me worried that Oldentale may end up not being for me when it's done, If it makes you feel any better, I don't want to use the game to preach at people and tell them what's right and wrong. I hate when games do that. I want to present an issue, and show how various people are affected by it, how they react to it, and let the player come to his own conclusion. Like how Deus Ex handles its philosophical issues. >I said at one point that I also like characters being broken out of their corruption too.I like that too, but it just doesn't feel the same. There was still something lost there that you'll never get back. Like how if something rusts, you can clean the rust off, but the pits it left remain.
>>737205752That's an pessimistic exaggeration, yeah. Hopefully I'm wrong about it.>>737206084Yeah, I have a different view of prequel than most anons here, which is probably why they don't appeal to me versus mostly everyone here. I just personally feel the SOUL fangames should involve the other characters rather than being self-contained, unrelated, stories. But everyone has their personal taste.
>>737205837No, she existed before ramb and I was merely pointing out the similarites between them. But what would you expect from a skeletonslopfag
>>737206836>There was still something lost there that you'll never get back. Like how if something rusts, you can clean the rust off, but the pits it left remain.NTA, but growing up my favorite manga was Negima, and late in the series as the main character is starting to have to take on more and more heavy stuff to deal what's being thrown at him, including accepting a dark magic pact, it has this whole thing that has always stuck with my autistic mind about "find the strength to keep moving forward even while covered in mud" about learning to live and accept life even with all of the terrible things that happen to you in it. and yeah it's not the most original concept but it's still always stuck with me. Innocence can be lost, but we still learn to smile again after losing it, and if you truly learn to be happy again, that happiness means something more than it ever did before. Forged and reforged once again as it is earned.
>>737200147I love Kass!
>>737206673 It is especially cool that it is a reference to the whole Sadie sibling discussion. I was genuinely surprised when that happened in game
>>737206923because people barely care about yellow? Sorry but whether you like it or not skeletons with always be more popular and better than cringe donut steels
>>737204767There's more to Undertale's world than just its main characters. The Underground, determination, LV, EXP, humans, monsters, and its unique sense of humor are all elements that define the game. People wouldn't be able to play around with those in the same way if it were an original setting.
Hey, Partners Anon here. I'm looking for opinions on something that's not even going to effect the story and is really niche.So, I know that the general consensus is that UI-based attacks like those of Sans and Asgore are based on knowledge/genre savviness, but I noticed that Guardener, a pretty mundane mini-boss, actually grows vines over the UI and I was wondering if there was a way to marry the seemingly opposed canons.I'm asking because Guardener's fight is coming up in Partners. I was thinking of doing an off-handed world building comment about how UI attacks are actually general knowledge, but they're considered a taboo because it requires a lot of training and failure to execute the technique properly will result in a "softlock," where escaping usually demands the death of the caster. Might include a further line about how there are monsters who have been softlocked for years and are taken care of by friends and family who drop items for them to eat from the ITEM menu.I thought it would be cool, but I have a tendency to forget common knowledge when working with micro-details like this, so I wanted ask if this makes sense.
>>737206836>If it makes you feel any better, I don't want to use the game to preach at people and tell them what's right and wrong.I wasn't afraid of that, I just think it's possible that the way you like to tell stories is too fundamentally incompatible with the way I like stories to be told.Again, it's not as much of a "problem" so much as it's just another difference between us.That would be lame if that's what ends up happening, but hopefully it won't.>I like that too, but it just doesn't feel the same. There was still something lost there that you'll never get back. Like how if something rusts, you can clean the rust off, but the pits it left remain.Isn't that how everything works?One way or another, things degrade and change over time. If anything, the idea of someone or something changing so drastically, but still being able to be restored, even partially, is actually technically optimistic.I don't apply this to people not having their *minds* directly acted upon by an outside force, which is why I don't apply this to that one topic which I will not be discussing further.
>>737207151>So, I know that the general consensus is that UI-based attacks like those of Sans and Asgore are based on knowledge/genre savviness, but I noticed that Guardener, a pretty mundane mini-boss, actually grows vines over the UI and I was wondering if there was a way to marry the seemingly opposed canons.In-universe the explanation for Guardner's attacks just seems to be that you're wrapped in vines and can't move very well, and the UI interference is the in-game representation of that.Just do that, don't acknowledge it as a meta-aspect at all.
>>737204706I'd call Gumball's mom furry.
>>737204763Is the opposite of this people self inserting into Clover to make Ceroba into a submissive waifu for muh human supremacy fetish reasons
>>737207151>, but they're considered a taboo because it requires a lot of training and failure to execute the technique properly will result in a "softlock," where escaping usually demands the death of the caster. Might include a further line about how there are monsters who have been softlocked for years and are taken care of by friends and family who drop items for them to eat from the ITEM menu.It's cool as hell, but may be a bit too much. It seems a bit dark for undertales world that there could be people who are just sitting there stuck in the battle menu their whole lives foreverially you might say I think you have a really good idea to work with, but it's just a bit too intense for general world purposes right now. Maybe there are risks, but being permanently softlocked feels creepypasta tier.
>>737204763Humans are on another level from monsters. The strongest monster still struggles to match even your average human.
>>737207294Fuck I meant to reply to >>737204682
>>737206836Also, nothing to say on the "Gheritt White" text in the other thread?Alright, noted.
>>737205749>spoiler I don't know since I haven't played DRY yet. >>737205838>I respect the autism, even if I don't share it for this particular character. Thanks, I'm glad my effortpost hasn't gone to waste.I have a soft spot for characters that are supportive and genuinely care about the protagonist's well-being, like Kim Kitsuragi from Disco Elysium. I know that also applies to Susie and Ralsei, but it seems Ramb knew Kris more and longer than them, and how he is more... angsty.I'm kind of worried if Ramb were to make another appearance since it may ruin the image that I have built of him in my head. I don't like any of the fanmade concepts of him being a secret boss.Also another reason that I love Ramb that I wasn't able to fit into my post is that his design. He's got a simple design that's easy to draw, although I dislike like 90% of depictions since I like a specific way of him being drawn, which makes it harder to find an art I like of a character that already doesn't have much art to begin with.
>>737205130Just Deltarune, I was just pointing out that the series has plenty of non-animal women
>>737206240>>737206909>and I don't know if those fangames won't include the Dreemurrs,>That's an pessimistic exaggeration, yeah. Hopefully I'm wrong about it.If it makes you feel any better Asgore does show up in Naranja, don't expect to see him soon tho, I won't spoil whether or not other legacy characters appear, but Asgore should have been obvious, he's Undertale's "big bad"
>>737207425like Spamton
>>737206580I'm mainly talking about fanon involving Undertale characters and not the OCs, but there definitely seems to be a strong fanbase here over the various OCs. I guess my vent post was mostly why I don't post here because I don't care about this type of fanwork so removed from the main game, but I don't mind people being passionate about it. Everyone has their own taste, I was just wondering why they didn't just make original content.I've seen that guy posting here and was even accused of him (which is annoying when I'm trying to argue in good faith). That guy seems to just be a baiter trying to hit people's weakspots because people seem to hate skeleton content here. I can't lie and say I wish people talked more about Undertale (and even Deltarune) fan content that involved the canon characters (including the skeletons) myself but that's very clear something this community doesn't like so I can just do it elsewhere.>>737207138Yeah, I conceded that worldbuilding is a valid reason to not make an original work even if your fancontent is very far removed from canon.
>>737205749I already have.Maybe someone could draw BunBun having a drink at Ramb's bar (of something really tame and a bit childish instead of beer)
>>737207151>>737207329I like the concept of UI attacks being super hard to do in Universe, to the point only the strongest monster and the monster with the most meta knowledge can do it, but I think the consequences for failing it should simply be losing your turn.
>>737207418I have witnessed your feelings and understand them. Ramb does come across lame in the game (since he's the butt of other characters jokes) but it's a little sad. He didn't deserve any of that, he's just a fella doing his thing and respecting the people he cares about right?If this wasn't deltarune, I feel like his "end" would be the kind that spurred a main character into righteous action over the unfairness of it.You should draw him or write about him, bring more content about him into the world.But yeah, I can, and have gone into multi paragraph explanations and discussions on my autisms. the characters latch onto my soul in very very specific ways, so from one autist to another, I have received your feelings. Your Hamon!I find it helps imagining what kind of scenarios and stories could happen with this character if their life took other turns, if they had more chances, or if their story simply continued further. What kind of person could chujin become, what life could Martlet earn for herself. Could Ceroba find a happy life? I don't think you would particularly resonate with those characters yourself, but that's just some of my examples.Never stop effort posting anon. No matter how many shitposters there are.
>>737205062If you squint hard enough Elnina is a sheep
>>737207480That's good news, like I said before the human souls in Undertale literally only exist to serve Asgore and Toriel’s character in canon so I don't like the fact they're barely present in fangames involving these souls.
>>737207671>I've seen that guy posting here and was even accused of him (which is annoying when I'm trying to argue in good faith)sorry anon, but this is why when I see a post that appears to be in good faith, I try to give it a genuine reply. I've replied to that shitposter more times that I'd like because he starts off acting genuine, but it's worth risking it because there's all sorts of types of people out there and just liking the things you like doesn't make you that shitposter. but I can't blame anons for assuming because really when someone is as dedicated to being an idiot as that guy, people get used to the nonsense.>I was just wondering why they didn't just make original content.something I wanted to bring up, is that there are anons here that actually are working on completely unrelated games, but they have made a habit of not actually revealing what those games are because it's off topic for these threads.DRYanon said he's working on one, and one of the people who used to draw for these threads a lot is making one of his own as well and even posted art of one of the characters, but wouldn't tell what the game was called because it was off topic.>can't lie and say I wish people talked more about Undertale (and even Deltarune) fan content that involved the canon characters (including the skeletons) myself but that's very clear something this community doesn't like so I can just do it elsewhere.I think a lot of people here really love the original undertale cast to be honest. But there's not a lot of good fangames that use them, since the vast majority of skeleton fight fangames are just those shitty overtuned fights that are better suited as a video. If you're speaking in good faith, I have no problem talking about those even, or other stuff relating to the original characters. I like undyne a lot and my only non uty related fanfiction was about her actually, I'm pretty sure oldentale anon has a skeleton character that will be in his game
>>737207904NTA, but that doesn't really make sense.The souls are mostly related to Asgore, but we also know he's generally pretty unhappy about actually having to do what he's doing, so it doesn't make sense that he'd be some recurring antagonist or anything in any of the soul fangames.He's a sad, old king hoping he doesn't have to go through with his plan, not SA-X constantly on the hunt for you throughout the game.
>>737207904>so I don't like the fact they're barely present in fangames involving these soulsAgain, you can't expect them to do anything with Asgore since he's the main antagonist, all these fangames but Yellow died before they could reach the point where meeting Asgore would make sense, and both Naranja and Wildfire seem to be skipping Toriel not because they have something against the character, but rather as a side effect of skipping the ruins entirely, if you played all the cancelled soul fangames you'd be sick of seeing the ruins so many times.
>>737208056grandpa semi's grandpa
>>737207671>>737208056there's that dusttale fangame that I think is still incomplete, but it has a fight where you play as undyne at one point and you can get a different ending by surviving her fight against sans I'm pretty sure. People are more likely to talk about the cast of uty and the local fangames because this community was founded by people who had strong feelings about how undertale yellow did something right and other things terrible wrong, and spend tons of time thinking of alternative ways to handle everything. so of course we're going to talk about that and the locally brewed fangames more, but if you aren't shitposting about "green sans comes in and kills all ur favorite characters" then I don't think people are going to whine about you bringing up alternative fan games.Hell even if a fangame is pretty low effort, there's value in bringing it up to see what it did wrong, and if it's hilariously bad well, then it's kind of funny you know?but yeah, the hostility comes from the fact that there's a dedicated shitposter who I think has been showing up in these threads since 2024. Genuinely, going back in the archives, there are posts that resemble his complaining about the lack of skeletons in uty and how the furry characters should die. When we get exposed to a shitposter like that for years, it's easy to assume someone else leading with interest in gaster could be that person. one of the double edged swords of anonymity.
>>737206240Gaster is a special case. He's a lot harder to do right than most characters, and he's a lot worse if done wrong. Then you have the fatigue of all those bad gaster games making people just not want to hear about him. And then there's the problem that probably only Toby had can handle him best, so a lot of people just want to leave him to Deltarune. And finally, there's just tge issue that he's just not relevant to the stories most OC centric fangames want to tell.
>>737208073That's not what I really meant. I meant that the souls exist in Undertale as a narrative device to serve Asgore and Toriel’s characters. For Asgore is the children he killed and for Toriel is the children she failed to save. So I feel like the soul fangames need to show how these two felt for each kid, because otherwise you have a Toriel that barely took care of children and an Asgore that has no blood on his hands.>>737208056It's just that I remember playing a lot of those when I was younger and watching videos of them. Obviously they were shit in terms of plot but I didn't mind the gameplay too much (Zenith Martlet has the difficulty and bullshit of an average one anyways). In terms of older fangames I really liked the old unitale and CYF fangames (Merg has a playlist of them). Save goatbro and Mettaton NEO were my personal favorites.
>>737208415Honestly I like sitting down and watching videos of some of those sansfights sometimes because it's insane what people do with them shamelessly. Then there's shit like "vhs sans" that's just funny to see. I'm not faulting you for being entertained by that, and honestly if a new one was being made I'd watch the video of it if it was posted here.As for single fight fangames, I think people still make them, I know it's not super new but like "a different snowgrave" was considered pretty good to my understanding.I will say, the thing I personally hate about single fight sans games the most is that sans often traps you in a no win situation at the end, except it works, going against the one thing we know about the ending of undertale. You go through all of that, and then he just kills you with a bone that moves slowly towards you. come on man, we literally moved the battle box to kill him in the original game you know?
>>737206673>second spoiler>happens in Sadie's house>you have reference to "an army of siblings" in the same roomIt's foreshadowing.
>>737208415>So I feel like the soul fangames need to show how these two felt for each kid, because otherwise you have a Toriel that barely took care of children and an Asgore that has no blood on his hands.You can still frame it that way even without them being super present in the story.For how UTY handles it, even though Clover didn't spend as much time with Toriel (outside of those pre-game timelines), Toriel still let Clover effectively slip through her fingers and into Asgore's grasp, so that's still a child she failed to save and take care of.And for Asgore, even if you don't take the ending where you fight him directly, he still knows that the soul came from a human who was peaceful and friendly throughout the underground, and who died to try and help monsters get their freedom, so the idea of an innocent human dying for his sake could still eat away at him, even if he's not the one directly killing them.These ideas still serve the characters as we see them in the original UT.
>>737208168The big problem is that skipping Toriel makes her character worse as she couldn't even interact with the children she's supposed to save. At least in Yellow she briefly interacted with Clover so you can understand why she would feel she failed him. What other fangames doesn't really matter to me, I'm judging it by its individual merits.>>737208270It's fanfiction, people shouldn't really care about getting something right or not. Gaster was the previous scientist before Alphys so he would've been around to the other souls. It just feels like people are overcorrecting from hating Sans to not even include anything related to him out of spite
>>737208262I recently got into these threads but ok I do also hate furries
>>737208168>if you played all the cancelled soul fangames you'd be sick of seeing the ruins so many times.It's always the same fucking ruins, and rarely you get a half-baked version of Snowdin then it's over.
anyone remember that green soul fangame where the turtle oc fucking dies with his bloody corpse in the overwold and Undyne cries
>>737207397This thread is moving really fast. I'll get to it.
>>737208774>Gaster was the previous scientist before Alphys so he would've been around to the other soulsThe game says Asgore waited a really long time before hiring a new royal scientist after Gaster, so it's possible multiple humans came and went after Gaster fell but before Alphys was hired.Also, Gaster's erasure seems to have been retroactive, erasing basically any evidence of his existence from the world, so him not appearing even in the past could make sense.
>>737208917Alright, thanks.
>>737208774>It just feels like people are overcorrecting from hating Sans to not even include anything related to him out of spiteMaybe they're just not really interested in that plot point. The scenario of Yellow happens because Flowey tries very hard to avoid the canon route. Sure, you have Toriel acting mostly the same, and a Asgore encounter showing him BEFORE his depression won, but that's not what this story is about.
>>737206338>Which game did they introduce that in? Dark Souls 3, more specifically with the Ringed City DLC which pretty much introduces the concept of Gwyn creating the darksing as a way to keep mankind fighting among themselves and the age of dark being bad as propaganda created by Gwyn, there is also Gwyn not recognizing the contributions of the human knights (the ringed knights) who fought on the war against the dragons.No one knows what the age of darkness actually is, it could be the age of man where mankind becomes the one who has control over the world, or it could really be the end of all life as we know it, also in Dark Souls lore humans are creatures of darkness, its why they are resistant to it.But hey, maybe I'm full of shit and this is only my interpretation, but what I said about the DLC is (mostly) objectively true.
>>737207169>Isn't that how everything works?>One way or another, things degrade and change over timeYes. That's the core of my worldview. Everything ages, everything dies, all you can really do is prolong it, so you should prolong it as much as you can. >>737207013>Innocence can be lost, but we still learn to smile again after losing it, and if you truly learn to be happy again, that happiness means something more than it ever did before. I disagree. It means something different, not something more. No matter how much I get as a replacement, it will never be what I had. So I will always miss what I lost, and will always carry that pain with me. The best I can do is focus on what I have.
>>737208774>it's fanfiction>it should be written like i want though
>>737207137Holy irony, do you even read what you say?"People barely care about ramb. Sorry but jevil, spamton, gerson and others will always be more popular and better then useless chapter filler"Does that mean that ramb shouldn't have been in the game? Does that mean that he should've been replaced with a skeleton? That certainly would've been more "popular" according to you.
>>737208775Im just going to hope and assume you weren't the person I was talking to.
>>737208903that's the Undertale Green fangame with Cody as the protagonist
>>737208262I haven't heard of that dusttale game at all. Link? But ironically enough I really don't care about dusttale at all, I always disliked that AU and found it dumb. I get that people here mostly like the Yellow-like fangames, I don't usually post here, I just saw the thread in the catalog and decided to vent about the fancontent that is posted here. It sucks there's a shitposter but they always seem to come to long and recurring threads like these ones and Yellow is an easy target. Ironically enough all he does is make people want to discuss the "furry fangames" more than what he likes. >>737208604I remember when I was younger playing some of them like Last Breath and unironically finding phase 3 cool. At least the music is still a banger. Although the craziest shit is stuff like dustrust Sans were it feels so far removed from Undertale that it's funny.These single fight fangames is mostly what I'm talking about. Deltarune frostveil released recently too, and that's pretty cool. I was thought fangame threads would talk more about these types of fangames which is why I vented, too.I really dislike games where you just die, too. It goes against the theme of determination. I feel like it's because people don't like a bad guy winning but it's extremely lame.
I'm Wing Gaster! The royal Scientist!
>>737209212and just like that the aura of the original image is gone>>737209208the difference is that they are all equally cool, but I wouldn't expect a yellowcuck to have a functional brain
>>737209208you are replying to the subhuman sharteen
>>737209337obsessed award
>>737209153>Yes. That's the core of my worldview. Everything ages, everything dies, all you can really do is prolong it, so you should prolong it as much as you can. I know I talk about it a lot, but man, your ideology here is just 1:1 with Durandal's.I'm surprised you'd said you hadn't played the Marathon games before, they seem right up your alley.
>>737207151I would think the flowers are the anomalous thing in the Guardner fight, with the robot itself just being a normal robot. The plants probably have strange meta properties, which is why the Steamworks used them to generate power. Maybe the flowers have some amount of natural dt, but have no mind, so they act on instinct to preserve their own existence.
>>737209156No? I'm not saying Gaster needs to be in a fangame but people shouldn't be afraid of putting him. If anything I'm arguing the opposite. >>737208956>>737209095Yeah, I'm not saying he has to show up, it's just that people shouldn't be afraid to not even reference him. And I don't think Sans should be in a soul fangame, those old fanon fanfics where he was responsible for killing some kids was pure cringe.>>737209210Yeah, he's the shitposter, not me.
>737209391Says the guy obsessed with us, this is the last fake (You) you'll see from me
>>737209432>Yeah, I'm not saying he has to show up, it's just that people shouldn't be afraid to not even reference him.UTY references him in the Steamworks once, and I remember Naranjadev saying that there was supposed to be an easter egg about him in the password screen with Zaer, but that it wasn't implemented for whatever reason.Could be wrong on that one though.
>>737207151I think that meta concepts like the UI require DT for people to be aware of most of the time. Most people would have no idea what the UI even is. That said, I imagine those with meta awareness have to be careful not to screw themselves with their powers. Just like a player would.
>>737209448BOO
>>737208759I'm fine with Yellow's Toriel, but I disagree with Asgore. Him not even showing up and his death in genocide were very shitty which is why flawed pacifist was always my favorite ending in Yellow. I feel like just having to extrapolate what Asgore might've felt because the devs didn’t want him to show up isn't good imo.>>737209517Alright, that's good. Honestly I haven't played much of the fangames done by anons here. Is there a link to it? Might check it out eventually.
>>737209230>I haven't heard of that dusttale game at all. Link?Give me a bit and I'll find it. Im posting between having company over. The writing of the game didnt look good (dust tale go figure) but still there were some interesting moments.>Ironically enough all he does is make people want to discuss the "furry fangames" more than what he likesHonestly probably true. Theres a lot of clever stuff you can still do with the original cast. The characters are a lot of fun, and have a lot of potential. Again im not against fancontent that deals with the original cast, including the skeletons. Papyrus is a unit and you can do a lot of fun stuff with him.Ive also been known to indulge in edgy content sometimes for the fun if it, even if its not particularly good.
>>737209517>Naranjadev saying that there was supposed to be an easter egg about him in the password screen with Zaer, but that it wasn't implemented for whatever reason.It wasn't implemented because I fucked up one line of code. It works now but I'm not sure if I'll keep the password screen in the next release, whenever that might be, I could still put a reference to Gaster somewhere else.
>>737207418I too dread the idea of Ramb becoming a schizoboss, just like I dread bad things happening to BunBun.
>>737209153>Yes. That's the core of my worldview.Also, this doesn't really conflict with what I was saying earlier.Wanting to prevent death isn't really opposed to what I was talking about with corruption and restoration, "rusting", as you put it.If anything, we actually agree, since removing "rust" would go towards the goal of staving off total destruction, generally speaking.
>>737209710>Alright, that's good. Honestly I haven't played much of the fangames done by anons here. Is there a link to it? Might check it out eventually.This is where you can find all the fangames made here, but only Deltarune Yellow and Naranja have proper gameplay so far, Oldentale and SURVEY_2 are basic prototypes, but their devs are still working on them.https://rentry.org/mtt-fan-works
>>737207671You know, there is a fangame that might interest you called SURVEY2. In a nutshell, its a game about all the Deltarune theories that were proven false. It'll prominently feature canon characters.
>>737209750Don't beat yourself up Naranjadev, it happens.I've seen much more grievous problems caused by individual lines of code being messed up (*cough cough* Titanite Demon *cough cough*), so an easter egg like that is hardly a concern.By the way, this isn't related to the topic at hand here, but I was just curious, out of all the drawings I've done of UTN characters by now, which one is your favorite, if you have one?
>>737209785BunBun becomes Bun Bun from pibby
>>737209734Yeah, honestly a lot of my bitching is mostly because everytime I went to these threads people were just discussing the same type of fanwork and I thought people hated anything outside of it. But if it's because of a shitposter that makes sense.>>737209872Thanks, might check it out and give my thoughts eventually. >>737209901Seems interesting, but it doesn't seem much of it was done. I will wait to see if the game will be finished or not.
>>737207760>I have received your feelings. Your Hamon!Nta, but I have the same feelings about Hamon itself. I always wish it would come back, and lament how it was thrown out and replaced after part 2. Makes me imagine a hamon user fighting to stay relevant in a world dominated by stands where they simply aren't needed any more.
>>737210220NTA, but there's always Spin.For like, a part.
>>737210274it's also brought back in Jojolion and is a key for S&W's "evolution"
>>737210416Ah, so that works then.
>>737209981>spoilerIf you mean the infinitely respawning one, that at least had a positive effect on the game.>By the way, this isn't related to the topic at hand here, but I was just curious, out of all the drawings I've done of UTN characters by now, which one is your favorite, if you have one?Alright this caught me by surprise, I never thought I had to answer something like this, but it's rude to ignore a question, I think the instant loss is the best, I find jobbers (or at least the parody version of them) to be really funny, I also like the detail you put at the end of Luzma's tail, I might make her tail in the battle sprite more jagged like that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx-9TrZzbwM
>>737207671I actually do have original projects that I work on. I just also wanted to make a game set in the Undertale universe. There are some things in the setting that I want to explore.
>>737210274Part 7 is also one of the best parts fortunately, so its a good return. Hamon was fun, but rewatching part 2, as fun as it was, araki has gotten a lot better at writing fights being crazy, and spin alongside stands worked out well.
>>737210540>If you mean the infinitely respawning one, that at least had a positive effect on the game.I just found that thing to be annoying past a certain point, honestly.>I think the instant loss is the best, I find jobbers (or at least the parody version of them) to be really funnyHa, nice. It's very funny to me that that one's your favorite, despite it being what it is. I think I might draw a normal version of her doing the Thumb Pose, just for joke purposes.>I also like the detail you put at the end of Luzma's tail, I might make her tail in the battle sprite more jagged like that.Oh man, really?I really liked giving her that detail, it was pretty fun to draw, it'd be sick to see that become an actual part of her design.I've really loved drawing Luzma in general lately, she's a very fun character to draw and think about, definitely one of my favorites from these threads.
>>737208774>It's fanfiction, people shouldn't really care about getting something right or not.First of all, I was talking about quality, not canon compliance. Its really hard to write a well written Gaster. Second, I actually do really value characters acting in character when reading fanfiction. It feels wrong seeing a character do something they wouldn't do, and drags the whole story down. Potentially killing all enjoyment I could've had from it. That's why I don't care for Dust or swap stuff. It always mangles the characters to force a specific look or fight.
>>737209120Well I said Dark Souls, meaning specifically 1. In that it seemed pretty cut and dry that the darkness seeping in was a corruptive influence, and its the reason everything is so fucked.
>>737209230Sorry anon, my laptop is suddenly not turning on, and im having trouble finding that fangame from my phone. If I do though I'll link it in the thread. The challenge is looking for it just pulls up the hundreds of fansongs.
>>737211365NTA, but this is Dark Souls you're talking about, nothing is ever cut and dry.
>>737211085There's so little know about Gaster that he's basically an OC. I get what you're saying but I still loved certain Gaster takes in fanfiction done years before we knew his canon self in Deltarune.
>>737211069>I just found that thing to be annoying past a certain point, honestly.It's the only way to farm demon titanite so it has helped a lot of players, not me tho, I never needed demon titanite.>Ha, nice. It's very funny to me that that one's your favorite, despite it being what it is.You clearly put a lot of effort in it and I can easily look past the weirdness, it also took me by surprise how fast you made it after already drawing Luzma once, I didn't think you'd draw her again so soon.>I really liked giving her that detail, it was pretty fun to draw, it'd be sick to see that become an actual part of her design.>I've really loved drawing Luzma in general lately, she's a very fun character to draw and think about, definitely one of my favorites from these threads.And I've loved seeing everyones reaction to the character, I honestly wasn't expecting her to become a recurring character in these threads, looks like I'll have to work extra hard to live to the expectations some people have for the character, I any case I appreciate all the drawings you've made so far, scrimblo drawanon.
>>737209230Nta, but I'm curious what your thoughts on Oldentale are. Its pretty far removed from the main cast, but has a good reason, being that most of them weren't born yet, or are very young. And its set in an important part of Undertale's history, tge human-monster war.
>>737211465It's alright, take your time my friend.
>>737209413Are the 360 ports of Marathon amy good? I might play those if they're really that relevant.
>>737211769The only port they had to the 360 was Marathon Durandal, the second game in the series.All the Marathon games are available to play for free off Steam, or from Aleph One, they've been open source for a long while now.I would argue they make for some extremely good narrative comparisons, especially since you don't have to look too hard to actually see it.
>>737211365The reason why everything's so fucked up in Dark Souls is because the Age of Fire has been unnaturally extended, by delaying its ending and not allowing the change, the natural order of things became stagnant, which is why timelines seem to merge in Dark Souls (the player invasions) and why the undead curse exists in the first place.
>>737210274Yeah, but that's spin, not hamon. Spin is a lot more compatible with Stands, whereas Hamon just became obsolete.
>>737210540>VidThat, but with Shu instead
>>737211604Personally I like Gaster as this ill defined g-man character. So I prefer him not being elaborated on.
>>737212150Who would be Frieza? Undyne, Asgore or Val?
>>737212269G-man at the very least has a defined design and he directly interacts with the player character, Gaster somehow has less than g-man.
>>737211686>not me tho, I never needed demon titanite.Which is why I found it annoying, it was just an irritating obstacle I always had to dodge around past a certain point, and it never fully went away like all the others.>You clearly put a lot of effort in it and I can easily look past the weirdnessThank you, but I'm still surprised that's somehow considered to not be all that weird around here.>it also took me by surprise how fast you made it after already drawing Luzma once, I didn't think you'd draw her again so soon.It kinda surprised me too, I didn't expect to want to draw something like that so hard, but I ended up not being able to ignore it. I do kinda wish I finished it faster though.>And I've loved seeing everyones reaction to the character, I honestly wasn't expecting her to become a recurring character in these threads, looks like I'll have to work extra hard to live to the expectations some people have for the characterI'm glad I could help give her some more attention, I'm sure you'll meet the expectations people have for her when we finally get to see her, someday.I still just hope she hasn't become *too* associated with, you know, that kind of stuff. Though she'll always be connected to that in my head. Some things can't be helped.>I any case I appreciate all the drawings you've made so far, scrimblo drawanon.I'm very happy to have made them, and I plan on making more hopefully soon enough.And huh, "scrimblo drawanon"?Hm, that could work. I guess I'm definitely the most scrimblo-obsessed drawfag around here.Maybe this one'll stick.
>>737211716Despite liking the fanon of characters like Grillby and Gaster as having fought in the war, I don't mind Odentale. It makes sense it's so far removed from canon even if I have some problems with the metaplot he might do. But it has so little content of it done that it's hard to judge it.
>>737200147>"wow this character looks cute, who is she?">somehow, its actually a deltarune yellow threadI APPLAUD YOU, DRY ANON
>>737212269>>737212358That's all true, but this is literally a fanfiction thread so I would think people would like to make fanmade takes for characters.
>>737211918>All the Marathon games are available to play for free off Steam, or from Aleph One, they've been open source for a long while now.I don't want to play a game that old through steam or on a modern computer. Maybe I'll play it whenever I manage to get my hands on a classic Mac. Is it a M68k mac game or PowerPC?
>>737212383>but I'm still surprised that's somehow considered to not be all that weird around here.Anon, we have semi-regular unbirthing discussions, tickling as a fetish is more goofy than anything.
>>737212303Probably Val. I don't see Asgore being so sadistic. In fact, I don't think Asgore would fight him at all. He'd just apologize and offer him tea. And Undyne would just kick his ass and be done with it it, not draw it out. Or maybe she'd just leave him alone out of pity.
>>737212435I'm just saying as a fanfiction writer myself, my fan take on him would be more of a mystery than a defined character. Like the gman.
>>737212502>I don't want to play a game that old through steam or on a modern computer.It's had literal decades of touching-up to work better on modern systems than it ever really did back in the day, but suit yourself.Good luck finding copies of the whole trilogy if you want to play it off the discs though.>Is it a M68k mac game or PowerPC?Best I can tell, it runs on both.It was designed for the classic Mac OS, but I've seen people running it on all kinds of things, so any Apple computer from around the time the games came out will probably do.
>>737211761A sudden memory struck me and I found it. This is only a clip of a part of one fight buthttps://youtu.be/abfoMiNPyWc?si=ticN8TskWWlVaxQFDusttale: murderous comedy. Its edgy dusttale nonsense BUT to its credit it has alternate routes based on if you survive fights as undyne or papyrus, and has a surprising amount of content. If nothing else its an interesting case study in a fan game for an AU that usually doesnt go beyond single fights
>>737212643...That is a good point, but I still can't help but see it as being one of the weirdest things I'm into, and definitely something of an anomaly around here.
>>737212753>It's had literal decades of touching-up to work better on modern systems than it ever really did back in the dayAre any of those touch ups on demand quicksaves? because that and mouseaim are the only things that appeal to me. >Good luck finding copies of the whole trilogy if you want to play it off the discs though.I have a CD burner.
>>737212383>I'm glad I could help give her some more attention, I'm sure you'll meet the expectations people have for her when we finally get to see her, someday.I really I really hope you guys get to meet her in two years at most, but I'm not that fast, and I think I'll probably release the third and fourth areas as a single package, or maybe I won't.>I still just hope she hasn't become *too* associated with, you know, that kind of stuff. Though she'll always be connected to that in my head. Some things can't be helped.It's fine, if you saw the earlier threads, people associated much, much worse stuff to Ceroba.>Maybe this one'll stick.I chose that name because you use the term a lot and you're probably the drawanon that has drawn the most variety of 4chan fangame characters.
>>737212763You should remove the SI part of the link when sharing it, but now that you linked it I suddenly remembered seeing this game before but never actually fully seeing it. Even though people here (and me included) dislike these AUs you can't lie people are really passionate about it and give their all when making games of it.
>>737212920I'd say it's weird, but its like on the same level as feet, something that is certainly a kink but its not super disgusting or anything, and can be ignored easily depending on the work.
>>737213016Yeah, for all my aversion towards towards skeleton wank, I can't deny many of those fangames have insane production values, at the end of the day they are skilled people putting effort into a creative project, just wish they'd at least give attention to other characters from time to time.
>>737213150Sometimes they make genocide fangames of other characters like Undyne, Mettaton NEO and Asgore, but yeah, it's nice when it's other characters. I feel like I like Sans (and Papurys and Gaster) more than the average anon here which is why I'm not as traumatized by skeleton fangames.
>>737212923>Are any of those touch ups on demand quicksaves?Not by default, you need to use a Pattern Buffer for saving (though I was wrong before, it does actually save your progress *in* a level too), but I think you might be able to force it to save whenever with an external program.>because that and mouseaim are the only things that appeal to me. Boy have I got news for you, Marathon was actually one of the first games to have full support for mouse aiming, to the extent that you actually need to be aiming at the enemies in order to hit them, unlike Doom, which just requires you to be aiming at their general x-axis position.So, yes, it has mouselook.It's also tied with Rise of The Triad for being the first FPS to have dual-wielding, though Marathon Durandal did it better with the shotgun.>I have a CD burner.What, you wanna download the Aleph One versions to discs and play them like that?Sure, I guess, but that seems like kind of a moot point.Also, to be clear, the reason I keep bringing up Aleph One is because they're the people who have been maintaining Marathon for the last few decades after Bungie made it open-source, if you're playing Marathon in the modern day, you either have an original copy, or you're playing with Aleph One, there are no other options.
>>737207274>>737207329>>737207740>>737209429>>737209612Thank you all very much. I'll steer clear of that UI world building idea, though I won't be able to implement the vines physically entrapping the characters, since I've already committed to the idea in past FIGHTs of Clover having to physically move his body to dodge attacks. I'll just have the UI attack be Guarderner's opener and let it fly by casually.
>>737213331Sans is actually my favorite character from Undertale, I'm just tired of seeing him everywhere in the fandom.
>>737213008>I really I really hope you guys get to meet her in two years at most, but I'm not that fast, and I think I'll probably release the third and fourth areas as a single package, or maybe I won't.As long as the world doesn't fall apart before then, I can wait. Gotta have something to look forward to.>It's fine, if you saw the earlier threads, people associated much, much worse stuff to Ceroba.Okay, you've got me there.I'll never do anything to my scrimblos that's *that* bad.Admittedly though, I do kinda hope the connection I made with Luzma laughing ends up being made by other artists too, I'll be sorely disappointed if I end up being the only person to have drawn that when the game comes out.>I chose that name because you use the term a lot and you're probably the drawanon that has drawn the most variety of 4chan fangame characters.Huh, I guess I am.Wiki, Zaer, Racter, Quetzali, and now Luzma, just for characters from these threads anyway.I do still need to do Bedo at some point, and I certainly have plans for Reynault when I have the time...I guess I just really like a lot of the original designs from these threads, what can I say?Though they currently are all either UTN or OT characters. I don't think any characters from anything else has caught my eye, and I'm not too sure that'll ever change.Still, like these designs.
>>737213697My favorites show up in everything because they have to so I don't have this feeling, but I get it. Overexposure can be annoying.
>>737213729Oh, uh, to be clear, I mean "I can wait" as in "I am willing to wait patiently for this even if it takes a while", and not "I don't care if it takes a long time because I don't care much about it", just wanna make that clearer.
>>737213079Huh, I guess I see that.I suppose that's somewhat reassuring, though I don't think I'd have considered it too ignorable in the images I made of Luzma.Then again, I suppose I've drawn worse.
Alright niggers, I got two edgy snowgrave fangames on my platepick one
>>737213016I'll keep that in mind, though I honestly dont know what the si represents.But yeah, honestly passion for something is the best. Even if Im not into a project or series itself, seeing an autistic passion from the devs will at least put it on my radar.>>737213331Ive had my own autistic share of reading fics involving sans and papyrus (not alt versions personally), theres just so much low quality content to sift through when a character is that popular. Sans is a fun character but god damn the depths those will go to sometimes. That feeling you get when reading a sans fic and "ah this was written by a girl that wants to fuck sans"
>>737213926i played frozen heartit wasn't awful but iirc it was made in fucking scratch so there's noticeable jank
>>737213926Someone mentioned frostveil, play it and share some screenshots
>>737213926Frostveil is kino and has multiple routes, do that.
>>737212923Also, just wanna point out, this is what the original Marathon's UI looks like.It is not optional, it cannot be turned off, that's how the game looks.Aleph One lets you turn that off.
>>737213729>As long as the world doesn't fall apart before then,Yeah, I want to finish Naranja before the heat death of the universe, even if I procrastinated today.>Though they currently are all either UTN or OT characters. I don't think any characters from anything else has caught my eye, and I'm not too sure that'll ever change.I think it's still too early to tell, I have hopes of other dev anons showing up eventually, speaking of scrimblos, you also drew Val, Shu and dark world Cole, even if those were requests, you've drawn a lot of OCs.
>>737213926hangovers are a bitch huh?
>>737213990The SI is a tracker that YouTube has that makes your recommended page similar to anyone who clicks on the video so that can be annoying. It's mainly a way so they can get data from you.Yeah, there's a lot of bad fanfics out there but honestly that applies to every character, there's very few that I genuinely enjoy outside of the ones I write myself.
>>737214324Truly soulmates
>>737214376>Weapon:BlackShardI read that this fangame can bust your balls so I suppose it makes sense it would assume you beat the Knight.
>>737214229>Yeah, I want to finish Naranja before the heat death of the universe, even if I procrastinated today.Well, I have other reasons to stick around that long, so I guess I'll have that to look forward to, too.>I think it's still too early to tell, I have hopes of other dev anons showing up eventually,Hm, maybe.I think it's very clear now that I have extremely particular tastes, to the extent that characters that are extremely beloved by most anons in the threads aren't usually the sorts of characters that I like too much, but who knows. I think I've already seen a bit from most fangames being developed here, and the only games I care too much about are UTN and OT, along with their various characters, so I don't have a whole lot of stock in me caring too much for anything outside of those two.I know I won't care about anything related to DR also, since I only really care about DR for the overarching story rather than the character story, so anything DR related and especially DRY is basically off the table for me.I guess I just have really obtuse and particular tastes, that happen to run counter to literally everyone else's.>speaking of scrimblos, you also drew Val, Shu and dark world Cole, even if those were requests, you've drawn a lot of OCs.Oh yeah, I guess I did.I probably wouldn't count that towards the total, since those were just requests, rather than things I did of my own real desire.I do have an idea for a small joke drawing of Val though, maybe I can get around to that soon.
>>737214581Shit's EMPTY empty herealso, what do you know that I don't, game?
>>737214707haha, they both felt my dialogue pick and spoke it at the same timeI hope something like this actually happens in the real game
>>737214602>I guess I just have really obtuse and particular tastes, that happen to run counter to literally everyone else's.Ironic since you favorite character seems to be Ceroba, and she's by far the most popular UTY character, in the rest of the fandom at least, she's still popular here but not that much more than the others.>I probably wouldn't count that towards the total, since those were just requests, rather than things I did of my own real desire.I probably wouldn't count that towards the total, since those were just requests, rather than things I did of my own real desire.That's fair, but you still drew a lot of other OCs.>I do have an idea for a small joke drawing of Val though, maybe I can get around to that soon.I'm looking forward to it.
>>737214370>The SI is a tracker that YouTube has that makes your recommended page similar to anyone who clicks on the video so that can be annoying. It's mainly a way so they can get data from you.Good to know, Ill keep that in mind in the future>Yeah, there's a lot of bad fanfics out there but honestly that applies to every character, there's very few that I genuinely enjoy .No you're right, its just since hes so popular, there's more volume to sort through. Especially because of the sheer number of skeleton AUs, but its just the nature of things. Honestly I've got a dangerous level of fixation on most undertale characters, its just the characters from yellow latched onto my brain especially fiercly. >outside of the ones I write myselfNo pressure, but any chance of sharing?
>>737214859Based playthrough anon.
>>737207760>You should draw him or write about him, bring more content about him into the world.That's what I've been doing, although I'm not good at drawing, so I haven't posted anything onlineI haven't written anything about Ramb either, which I should. Kris and Ramb as a (platonic) pair is criminally overlooked, especially when they have a deeper relationship that has more potential than other popular pairsI have even thought of making a short side-scroller game where you play as Ramb, but that's probably not happening until few years later since I know next to nothing about game development and again, am not good at drawing>so from one autist to another, I have received your feelings. Your Hamon!Thank you, anon. I won't forget it>I find it helps imagining what kind of scenarios and stories could happen with this character if their life took other turns, if they had more chances, or if their story simply continued further.That's a very interesting idea. I could write scenarios where Ramb is more involved, similar to Lancer. But that would be kind of difficult since there wasn't much given about him as much as Martlet or Chujin.Although to tell you the truth, I've been busy writing ideas and concepts for original projects, so even if I have an idea on what to write, I don't know when I will get around writing fanfics.>I don't think you would particularly resonate with those characters yourself, but that's just some of my examples.Oh no, these were good examples >Never stop effort posting anon. No matter how many shitposters there are.Thanks, will keep doing that in these threads.>>737209785My issue is with Ramb being a secret boss is that every concept is the same thing, him being a werewire. I would prefer to be something else, like using Shadow Mantle. I don't like him getting transformed into something disturbing. It was fine for Spamton because all he got was a new body and becoming a mech.
>>737214954I'm not sharing what I write here since it's decently popular, but my favorite Undertale fanfic OAT is called Patchwork SOUL. It's very long but I really like it. The sequel is far weaker, though. It should be easy to find it in fanfiction.net or A03.
>>737214878>Ironic since you favorite character seems to be Ceroba, and she's by far the most popular UTY character, in the rest of the fandom at least, she's still popular here but not that much more than the others.Ceroba is indeed my favorite, but the favorite around here generally seems to be Martlet, who I have mixed feelings on for the most part, but that has generally lead me to get into arguments surrounding her, usually with me arguing against the idea of her being as squeaky clean as most other people make her out to be.I don't hate her, I still like drawing her, I just don't like a lot of stuff surrounding her, sometimes not even directly related to her by herself.>That's fair, but you still drew a lot of other OCs.Yeah, I guess I can't argue that.Honestly, once I get through some more drawings and get some more downtime for the summer, I might just try and burn through a bunch of the various OC drawing ideas I've been piling up for the past while. Just have to eat the path to get there.>I'm looking forward to it.I might be able to do it very quickly tonight once I get my work done.And I mean actually quickly, not "20 minute adventure" quickly.It'll be a small thing, but I think some people might like it, since one person way long ago actually directly asked me for it.And no, it's nothing NSFW, just wanna make that clear.
>>737215278>I'm not sharing what I write here since it's decently popular,Nta, but this only makes those fanfics more intriguing.
>>737215317>but the favorite around here generally seems to be MartletShe might be the favorite now, I think anons here chose to give Martlet more attention since on the early days the fandom focused much more in Ceroba, despite that the Roba is still really popular here, it's not an odd choice.>And no, it's nothing NSFW, just wanna make that clear.I wasn't expecting it to be NSFW.
>>737215278Well then I hope that I happen upon your works at some point or another. Its understandable not wanting to single yourself out as coming here, but we've got a handful of anons here that write fics.If nothing else, its nice to have more write anons here, maybe you can give feedback to some of the anons working on stuff in the future if you stop by future threads.>>737215239Is that image yours? If so its very nice. I can see the vision of how you like the character >Kris and Ramb as a (platonic) pairBased, based beyond based. Friendships in fics are top shelf. the conversations we've had about friendship with chujin warm my heart in a special way >But that would be kind of difficult since there wasn't much given about him as much as Martlet or Chujin. True but you can still construct extensions to his personality that would be believable.If you ever try writing even some small greentexts with the ideas, i think they'd be welcome in these threads since its usually about fancontent in general
>>737215497>>737215743It's a singular fanfic and it's an Undertale/Deltarune crossover on A03 that's decently popular in kudos and hits. That's all I can say, I don't want a random schizo to target me because of it. I have already written a lot of it so I might give advice if I stop by. I usually only go to regular Deltarune threads but you guys were more understanding of my pet peeves than I expected so I might drop by some other time.
>>737215652>I think anons here chose to give Martlet more attention since on the early days the fandom focused much more in CerobaYeah, and I have nothing against Martlet being popular, or even more popular than Ceroba, I just don't like some of the ideas and concepts people tend to push on her and insist as fact.People just say a lot of things about her that rub me the wrong way, which has lead to problems in the past, like the 10+ hour long argument back in January.This is just another one of those things that I have the exact opposite opinions on compared to the rest of the thread.>I wasn't expecting it to be NSFW.Just felt like emphasizing that.
>>737215885Based, we're autistic and get into arguments all the time, but honestly everyone but the shitposters are here for love of the game(s). Maybe Ill spot that fic at some point. I can underatand the schizo concerns, and we definitely get some crazies coming through. Ultimately though, they will not stop my autistic passions.
>>737213353>if you're playing Marathon in the modern day, you either have an original copy, or you're playing with Aleph One, there are no other options.I was saying I'd burn an iso of the original to CD. That's how I play most games.
I love martlet and the roba both, especially when theyve got flaws that they work to overcome and virtues that support it. Fuck ups doing their best to live a better life. Now have this image that was posted today
shipping or spriting
>>737216203>I was saying I'd burn an iso of the original to CD. That's how I play most games.I guess that's an option, but keep in mind that UI you'd have to put up with that I posted earlier.I'm just saying, you don't always gotta keep it authentic, sometimes the modern option really is better, but you do you.You want the game files to mess around with, but not the Aleph One versions, I think you should be able to find them here: https://trilogyrelease.bungie.org/ .
Man, knowing what I know now. Playing DRY just isn't fun anymore. I've been feeling a constant sense of looming dread that sucks the fun out of basically everything. Getting to the land of the sky used to be my favorite scene. Now I just see BunBun, catch all the foreshadowing, and it makes me feel a deep sorrow. All this cheerful music and bright scenery, and it makes me feel awful. Even my favorite character just makes me feel bad. I don't want to act like I'm demanding change or calling anyone out. I know this is a me problem. I'm just really bummed and don't know what to make of it beyond that. I don't want to drop the game because of how much I was invested in it and how integral to these threads it is, but it really feels like I'm just forcing myself to play it.
>>737216543Jeez, that bad, huh?
>>737216506marty...
>>737216543Write a fic about bunbun getting put on parole, or getting out on good behavior. Write about how bunbun was so brave going to jail willingly, but when shes freed, she reveals that she was scared, and how happy she is now, about how she looks forward to the future. Maybe something with the dark worlds being closed, a happy ending where even after kanako grows out of dolls, she cherishes this one, and even when she and cole have kids, bunbun stays with the family.Imagine the potential for happiness rather than the temporary sadness of today
>>737216723As you may be awareThe bird, god I love the bird
>>737213926Personally I like Giga Spamton
>>737216543I was honestly halfway considering offering to draw this "Bun Bun" character, but it occurred to me that that's probably a bad idea given that I know literally nothing about them or DRY in general.Hope they get the ending you want though, that's rough.
>>737216543Imagine yourself paying her bail, problem solved
>>737216647Yes. I've somehow got a weak voice and my eyes are watering over this. I don't know man, I can't remember the last time a piece of fiction made me genuinely depressed. I think it was getting E2 of Snoot Game on a blind playthrough, but this may be worse. >>737216783Its not the same. That all feels fake to me, while what happens in the game feels painfully real. Especially while I'm playing it. I don't know if I want to finish the game anymore.
>>737216895If you draw her, please draw her smiling giving Kanako a hug in a nice place without the bat attached to her
>>737217215>Yes. I've somehow got a weak voice and my eyes are watering over this. I don't know man, I can't remember the last time a piece of fiction made me genuinely depressed.Huh. If it's any consolation, I've been there before.I felt pretty similarly when I was searching for more stuff of Red from Rubyquest, because I so upset about never being able to see more of him in the "present".I sat in silence, misty eyed, until I eventually just slammed my head down on my desk and sat there for a bit.After that I walked out into the pouring rain at three in the morning and ranted about him to myself as I walked around for a few hours.Don't think I feel quite so bad about it now, but it's still a bummer.
>>737217215Theres hope anon and thats what counts. As long as there is hope, true justice can do its work
>>737217328Ah, fuckin' hell.Suppose I've already broken my own rules before.Alright, I'll try and get around to it sometime, as a quick little thing.The things I do for ya, huh?Can't promise it'll be within the next month though, got some things coming up, but we'll see.
>>737214859>Noelle: "Faha, Susie. Its actually really romantic for couples to finish each other's sentences.">Kris: "Yeah">In unison: "We're soulmates">*They give each other evil fuck me eyes
>>737215743>Is that image yours? If so its very nice. I can see the vision of how you like the characterGod i wish, but unfortunately no. It will be a long time until I reach that artistic levelBut it does matches my vision between Kris and Ramb>Based, based beyond based. Friendships in fics are top shelf.100% agreed.I don't know if that's a controversial opinion, but I feel like romance gets too much focus.Like give me a story of two male characters bonding together and forming deep friendship. Platonic love seems to be something really overlooked nowadays. People love to jump into shipping whenever two character have some kind of a connection. I do find Spamton and Tenna being ex-best friends a lot more interesting and tragic than being lovers. Not to mention it's way more believable too>spoilerI was there when that happened, so I understand what are you talking about.Although honestly, I'm not so familiar with Chujin as you do. I would love hear why do you like him.>True but you can still construct extensions to his personality that would be believable.So adding headcanons that feels in-character? That sounds like a great idea, but I do need to practice some writing first>If you ever try writing even some small greentexts with the ideas, i think they'd be welcome in these threads since its usually about fancontent in generalThese threads seems to be more on UTY centric, so I don't know about posting Deltarune stuff in them. Maybe on /vrpg/ fangames thread, but even then, I gotta hone my skills before doing all that.
>>737216895she's a good bunny
>>737217883Hm, and that's what she looks like?Got any more reference points?I like to have as much data as possible before working on something, that's why I haven't taken a serious crack at Reynault just yet.Oh, and give me some references for Kanako too, I guess.I wish I could convey my scowl through text.
>>737218042>spoilerwhy?
>>737214859First enemy
>>737215239>. I don't like him getting transformed into something disturbingEven if you have no knowledge of DRY, you know my pain. What gave me this affliction was a concept a while back that was basically one of those Ramb horror werewire concepts but with BunBun and even more visceral. It didn't get implemented into the game, but elements (not the disturbing transformation part) were lifted from it. She still gets merged with another evil darkner (albeit in a pretty tame way), is controlled by it, made into a murderer by it, and ultimately is doomed to suffer its fate. Being sent to the abandoned mine prison dark world that I am almost certain is going to collapse and kill everyone inside at the end of the game.
>>737218093Nice battle music, really heavy-handed on the Lost Girl motif thoughalso uhhhhhhh
>>737218090Not worth getting into.I'll draw it, I swear, but I'll sound like that "thin your paints" video the whole time I do it.
>>737215278If you hadn't said that, you could have just shared it as a fic that you liked and no one would have known.
>>737218042she doesn't have much art, and currently I lack any screenshots of her spritework
>>737218148oh, THIS is where the fangame starts for real, I see
>>737218261nevermind
>>737218238Well, I'll either need to be provided some, or I'll have to bridge the gaps in my knowledge with assumptions and creative liberties.Honestly, I might try and crank it out in a few days or something, once I finish one thing in particular, but the more data I have, the more confident I'll be in it.
>>737217883Original drawnon here. Please >>737218151 if you draw her, don’t put paw pads on her. Bunnies (even in plushie form) shouldn’t have paw pads. I am ashamed lol.
>>73721829710/10 enemy design
>>737218365Man, people are real fuckin' opinionated on this character, huh?But yeah, sure, I'll be sure to avoid committing the same grievous sin as you, so that I am not crucified or something.Don't suppose you have any actual sprite references for this thing, do you?
>it's another stealth deltarune / undertale generalwhy do you fucks refuse to use /vg/ ? I dont' get it
>>737218883>Stealth>He doesn't recognize undetale yellow even after three years of threadsSad
>>737217328Also, how exactly do you want them hugging?Two characters existing in the same general physical space is still something I need to work on, give me some specifics if you can.
>>737217008I'm not in DRY though and BunBun isn't my friend, she's Kanako's, nor do I think the Warden accepts bail, and I can't unkill those darkners she killed. The person who could have saved her is Kanako, and she didn't. She just sent her to prison. I don't know. Normally I have such an active imagination, but the negative feelings I have about this seem to have completely nullified it. Any time I think about her all I can think of is her getting her innocence stripped away and being turned into a killer and a criminal by powers beyond her comprehension. >>737217483Hope doesn't really help here. At least I don't have high hopes for her future. What's happened has already killed my ability to enjoy the game and I know I shouldn't spend my time worrying myself sick like this over a character that was always meant to be this way and likely isn't meant to be that important in future chapters. Besides the damage has already been done. I'm just lamenting how things turned out. >true justice can do its workI'm getting a more sour view of justice by the minute. That Warden and Cole's allegiance to the concept are what put her in there. I don't trust that Warden. How does he know about all the criminals in advance? There's no prophecy for him to read here. The only way he could know is if someone told him. Someone who was going to make the dark worlds and plant all those evil ideas in those darkners' heads.
>>737218991Just a nice happy hug between two close friends. Like a little girl would hug her favorite stuffed toy.
>>737217873>I don't know if that's a controversial opinionIts not that its controversial, its just that many people have shipping goggles on with media in general (not specifically an undertale deltarune issue) so normal friendships get written disproportionally less often, including with characters that are canonically friends getting written as wanting to fuck instead. Many people in life are also bad at having or reciprocating even friendships where both people contribute to the relationship instead of it just being one person carrying the other 100 percent of the time.I like the idea of the spamton and tenna just being friends and all but their interaction in that chapter 3 scene lends me to believe they were more than that, and I dont have an issue with ships even if its not the kind Im into, but it feels written on the wall.>but I do need to practice some writing first>These threads seems to be more on UTY centric, so I don't know about posting Deltarune stuff in them. Maybe on /vrpg/ fangames thread, but even then, I gotta hone my skills before doing all thatYou dont have to reach a certain skill level before people will welcome you trying writing things, and honestly the the threads here are really for fancontent in general, even if we focus on yellow and local fangames. People just adding their own greens to the threads adds a lot to the "community" in my opinion at least.>I was there when that happened, so I understand what are you talking about. >Although honestly, I'm not so familiar with Chujin as you do. I would love hear why do you like himI'll go on my autism here in a moment
>>737219062Alright, I can work with that.More data on the characters' designs themselves would still be useful, but I'll have to see about digging for that it seems.
>>737218042Requester here, if you draw her, please do it without the cloak and bat. Have her be her normal happy self, without any of that darkness attached to her.
>>737219025>There's no prophecy for him to read here. The only way he could know is if someone told him. Someone who was going to make the dark worlds and plant all those evil ideas in those darkners' heads.NTA, and while I still don't care too much about DRY or any of this stuff, I feel like that could work if you're going in a similar direction as The Hangman (1964).Someone who claims to work for justice, but is in actuality just a murderer using "justice" as a means to an end, before turning on those who helped him along the way.That'd be a hell of a way for DRY to take things, hell, I might even be interested if it had a shoe-drop like that waiting at the end.
>>737219189I've already decided after some internal grumbling with myself, I'll draw it.Can't say it'll be a masterpiece or anything, but I'll try and put at least the same amount of effort into it as my Luzma drawings, and hopefully it won't take too much longer than those took.I won't call this a request, this feels like something else to me.
>>737218445Not ominous at all
>>737219291The Warden may not even know what he's really doing. Most darkners seem to be pretty ignorant of the real world in DRY and are incredibly suggestible during the creation of dark worlds. The Warden may have had all of this, the plan for the week, his orders, his role as Warden, who each criminal is, whispered to him during his creation. Then because it's the foundation of his being, he'd take it at face value and believe it whole heartedly.In that case, whoever created the dark worlds would be the hangman, and the Warden is just another unwitting accomplice.
>>737218493give me a minute, I can get a few
>>737218493>Don't suppose you have any actual sprite references for this thing, do you?here the bat is a separated character
>>737200995>he didn't play neutral firstEveryone makes this mistake. But anyway it sounds like a bunch of shartyfags have made their way here. I know yesterday the sharty got trolled with HMOFA threads, but I'd rather they stay far away from here.>>737203651I agree with you totally, though there is always the very rare chance of rebirth. Your view is very Tolkienesque and I wonder if your perspective was shaped by his books.>>737204470That's a really cool dream. It would make a good metanarrative in an original game.
>>737219025Justice takes timeRemember, innocent people spend time in jail before their trial. Surely Cole has no intention of not giving her a trial. Give yourself a moment to step back and remember. Besides it probably helps bun buns own sense of guilt over the situatuon going through due process>but shes not guilty And the innocent feel guilt all the time.Let her be exonerated. I trust my boy cole, he can vouch for her as the arresting officer.
>>737219543Well, anons? Would you?
>>737219629Right, that'll do.I imagine it's just a fairly standard plush without the cloak and bat, so I can fill in the gaps.
>>737219769Yes
>>737219843And whose damage will you calculate?
>>737218493Here, I made one up for you that has Kanako and Bun Bun from multiple angles.
>>737219629Oh, could you also grab me the overworld sprites for the version of Kanako that's in this?Just the sprites for her face whatever direction while standing, if you could.
>>737220008Oh, timing.Alright, thanks.
>>737219291He even looks like the outlaw, or at least the silhouette we've seen.
>>737219505Maybe an act of pity on a fellow autist then.
>>737220104Yes, that, pity.I refrained from using that term exactly to try and avoid sounding like too much of a jackass, but yes, it's out of pity that I commit myself to this task.Not too often I feel pity like this, the last time was when I nearly drew a robot version of Shu when that one anon said he wanted to see it but had no hands.He was somewhat convincing when he described how he used a computer, he had me going for a bit.Anyway, yeah, give me a few days, I'll see if I can have it done on/by Tuesday, though I may try and set up the basic sketch tonight.
>>737219659>Your view is very Tolkienesque and I wonder if your perspective was shaped by his books.I don't know if it was shaped by them, but definitely heavily influenced by and aligned with them. I actually got yelled at by someone in a prior thread because of how similar to Tolkein's elves I made the monsters. Though they just said I was making monster Israel and said Tolkein's elves sucked for being "special snowflakes" and "God's chosen people" or something like that. I'm probably butchering what he actually said.
>>737217873>Although honestly, I'm not so familiar with Chujin as you do. I would love hear why do you like himChujin is a man who before things went off the rails in his life with the snowdin incident putting his family in danger, put a lot of work into his community. He was a hard worker, he invested time into helping others for no personal benefit, and spent a lot of time mentoring martlet just to help her. After the snowdin incident he went all out trying to find a solution to the "humans can kill us any time they please" problem, and was not taken seriously at all at his job. Because of this he made some mistakes, and did some arguably terrible things in the pursuit of what he believed what was right, but even as he did these things, he was far from unbothered.Hes a caring man who wasnt given recognition or respect as he did everything he could to try and protect his people and his family, and worked himself to death (literally).He seemed regretful of many of his actions, and they were all rooted in a desire to help the people around him be safe He seems like the kind of person who wouldnt turn his back on a friend, who would literally show up because he heard you talk about something in your house was broken the other day, but also someone who would be really happy if you actually took the time to show him that he was appreciated for all his hard work, something I think people forgot to do in his life. It would be really hard to gain his trust as a human, but I think hed be a steadfast friend if you managed it, and that you could do a lot for him as a friend giving him a friend that actually supports him.His wife supported him, but men sometimes have difficulty showing their weakness to family as he indeed had trouble with, so a friend that could call him out when his head was up his ass, and push him onwards when he felt the world was against him would be good.
>>737215885>you guys were more understanding of my pet peeves than I expectedMay I ask which post this was? Reading others' critiques and expectations for Deltarune helps put things into perspective for me.
>>737219873Kris
>>737219726In universe, I don't trust the system in place in the dark worlds to act in a truly just manner. Their plan seems to be arrest all the criminals on the list, who are defined as such solely by the list, then lock them up and throw away the key. I see no judges or courts, nor any way (outside of corruption) that the Warden could know their crimes. Second, I can't just assume DRYanon will do the one thing that would make me feel better and operate on that assumption. He could do any number of things and likely already has his own plans. Maybe he will, but I can't count on that. Thinking otherwise is just asking to get burned. Like all the Mikefags. They took their hopes for granted and it burned them. Can't assume anything.
>>737219189Oh, also, what do you mean "a nice place", in your post a while back?Any particular place in mind?I require more information to go off of here. I can already picture the main bit of the image, the two hugging, but "a nice place" isn't giving me much to work with.
>>737220264Thank you, anon. I will try to repay this kindness one day.
>>737220358
>>737220753The judges and courts come after the jail. She will go free, They will see, they'll all see!
>>737220854Thank me when it's done, I've done nothing yet.
>>737220926also we evangelion/creepypasta now
>>737220848Maybe the land of the clouds, maybe a nice cozy tearoom like you'd expect a little to fantasize about having tea parties with her friends in. Could just be Kanako's bedroom (or your idea of it). I just want it to be BunBun in her natural environment where she belongs, instead of in the horrible places she's been put.
>>737220967whoops, forgot image
Ceroba is the term of the public health department in this country for the next few months and then I will pay it back in time for your birthday.
>>737220932You don't know that, and frankly you have little grounds to assume that on. You can think that if you want, but I know if I did, and something bad happened, it'd be horrible. I already came into this assuming nothing bad would happen and got burned. I can't keep making assumptions like that.
>>737220981Alright, I can work with that.Probably won't be able to see too terribly much of it, since the image will mostly focus on the two character's hugging, but that should be enough to convey location.Like I said before, it won't be a masterpiece, not that any of my work ever is, but I'll try and make it decent at least, though the first time drawing a character is often always my worst.
>>737220981*Like you'd expect a little girl to fantasize aboutAnyways if you want it can just be a white background
>>737221050What?
>>737221191Ah, you said "a nice place", not the white room from Invincible, I'll do what I can.
>>737221248That was mainly to prevent you drawing her in jail or robotopia. I would prefer a nice place though if possible.
>>737221170Luzma looked pretty good on your first drawing of her
>>737221146Its darkest before dawn. This is the way of things.Also again, jail is just holding before trial.
Martlet is not going through the whole process of being in the group with you but if you want to do something for her then I will let you.
>>737221326>That was mainly to prevent you drawing her in jail or robotopia.No need to worry about that, because I don't know what those places are or look like, so I couldn't draw them if I wanted to.I also don't feel like being so vindictive with this, that would defeat the point.>I would prefer a nice place though if possible.Like I said, I'll try and make a nice enough room, for whatever you'll really be able to see of it anyway.I don't know why, but when imagining a room like you described in a dark world, I just thought of a dream room on Derse.I won't make it look like that, don't worry. Derse isn't a very nice place, for the most part.
>>737221045Oh shit, premium edge
>>737221360Thank you, but I think I could've done a bit better with that one, though it was mostly just a quick little drawing rather than anything fleshed out.For a better example of what I mean, see my drawing of Zenith Martlet, and then attempt to keep a straight face.
>>737221442In the light world. No telling how it works in the dark world.
>>737221627Its logical to assume that it would in some way be based on real world systems, my hope is logical, my faith is strong, and eventually, i bet even the dark jail fountain will be closed. Cant let something like that stay around. Worst comes to worst, bunbun will return to kanakos room then.
>>737221045Subtlety of a brick
>>737221868Or maybe the dark jail will close and the cave its inside will collapse, taking all the prisoners with it. Its in an awfully precarious place.
>>737221928Now youre imagining the worst scenarios possible to try and make yourself more upset. Youre catastrophizing
>>737221903We got fucking lootboxes in Deltarune now
>>737221992NTA, but some call it catastrophizing, others call it "theorizing".Tomato, tomato.
>>737222058Right. The ICE KEY. The ICE KEY for the ICE DOOR. The ICE KEY specifically designed for the ICE DOOR. That key.
>>737222121When youre picking all of the worst possible outcomes and making yourself feel worse, its catastrophizing. I am pleading for that anon to relax and grant himself some peace
>>737221992I'm not just imagining that now, I've expected that one for a while. Seems like the obvious way to book end the plot and would explain why the Warden really doesn't want you putting non-wanted darkners in there. The place is dangerous. Anyways my point is just that I don't know what the future holds. Its a bad move to blindly trust that good things will happen when bad things absolutely can happen instead. You feel free to live on hopes, but I can't handle having my hopes dashed like that. And I don't think I can hold out that kind of blind hope even if I want to anymore.
>>737222058>rng mechanicWat
>>737222289You buy a key from the vending machine, you open it, and you get a random rarity item. Apparently the better the key the better rarity odds, haven't tried it yet, spent all my money buying a suspiciously weak armor whose description says it's warm, gee I sure wonder what that will be for.
>>737222158*teleports behind u*
>>737222158>banjo-kazooie reference in my deltarune
>>737222496I wouldn't be surprised if toby got the idea from there since the ice key was originally so mysterious back then
>>737222242Ah, I think he's just a bit too passionate to give himself peace about this.Perhaps in time his fears will be assuaged.
>>737222449At least the game is aware. This really makes me appreciate the pacing the Deltarune chapters have. Long stretches of nothing but puzzles and enemies wear you out, you need the NPCs and cutscenes in between to relax.
>>737222242It's the fear of the "what if?".It makes more sense to worry about what if something bad happens in the future than it does to prematurely be happy if something good happens in the future, so he worries.Lots of people do this, I do it, it's just something that happens.
>>737222769Do you think DRY did it right in this regard? The new chapter is pretty long
>>737222242>I am pleading for that anon to relax and grant himself some peaceI can't. That's the problem. Like I said before, the game just fills me with dread and sorrow now, and any time I try to think of something nice with the characters, it just leads me back to here. I don't know how to explain it to you in a way you'll understand, but hope just isn't helping. Even if I could find a way to blindly hope again, all my experience tells me I shouldn't because blindly expecting good things to happen is how I got into this situation in the first place. I went in to that story thinking it would be a fun piece about a character I really liked, and gained some stupid autistic fictional character trauma from it. Then I went into DRY thinking "he wouldn't do that", and even him doing the tamest bare minimum version of it still decimated me. I just don't think there is a good way through this. Apart from if DRYanon were to give her a better outcome, but I can't count on that and it would be presumptuous and entitled of me to demand that of him. I've asked nicely, and that's all the action I can take. It seems now I may just have to drop the game until its finished, then ask someone if BunBun's situation gets better to know if its safe for me to pick it up again. It sucks and I don't like having to put the game down like that, but if I keep feeling this way every time I think about it then I don't know what else I can do. I already had to completely avoid UTY because I knew I wouldn't have been able to enjoy it with that ending.
>>737222820Some puzzles were a bit too big, but there were a lot of NPCs and stuff to take a break with, I liked that. I enjoyed my time with it.
>>737216242Why does Cole look like some bizarre pharaonic wizard?>>737217873>Like give me a story of two male characters bonding together and forming deep friendship. Platonic love seems to be something really overlooked nowadays. People love to jump into shipping whenever two character have some kind of a connection.It's one of the tragic downfalls of modern society where this sort of camaraderie has been lost. Think of how Sam and Frodo are written in LotR. If the books were written today people would be going "they're gay" because they have no concept of such deep friendship, and with our culture being so sexual it projects this insecurity onto characters. There's also a belief that a romantic relationship is just "love + sex" and "more" than a friendship, when the fraternal love and romantic love are fundamentally different. In reality there are four different kinds of love, but I'm getting ahead of myself.>>737220282I remember that. Whoever said that fundamentally misunderstood the books, or simply didn't read them.
>>737222579I wish I could give myself peace over this and I hope one day I get over this stupid fear I've developed. I hate being upset this badly by fictional characters, and I hate not being able to enjoy something I care so deeply about. I especially hate falling into a panic and my heart beginning to race over something so trivial any time I so much as think about it. Sorry for bringing so much negativity into the threads btw. I can stop talking about this if you guys want.
>>737220282Hi, I'm the guy who said that. Or at least one of them I do recall at least one other person having a similar complaint.You are somewhat misremembering what was actually said, but there was also another discussion in another thread that roughly addressed at least my own concerns, so I won't give you any more flak for that.
>>737222769Uh oh. I skipped a bunch of stuff. I think I'll just reload after I die.
>>737223084I don't see a problem with talking about it.It is actually on topic, so that's not an issue, and extreme love for these characters and stories is ostensibly what these threads are about, so it's not much of an issue on that front either.Put it like this, is what you're talking about worse than me talking about how much I want to do unspeakable things to the various characters I like?Really think about that for a second.
>>737223104What did you say then? I want to know how off the mark I was.
>>737223201I just feel bad saying these things about DRYanon's game and don't want to turn this into a "hate on DRY" thread, when I know DRY is fine and I'm the one with the problem. I also don't want to make this a "wah wah, poor me" thread.
>>737223235Okay, so at first I did use the term "monster israel", I admit that, but later on it morphed into me just thinking the exact premise felt a bit off for UT's world, with the way you've set it up being like a dominance-shift scenario like Planet of The Apes, which I don't personally think works very well within UT's setting.In some thread, which I have no idea how I would go about tracking down, you explained some more of the exact reasoning behind monsterkind inhabiting a single specific area, and while I do still have my gripes about that, it addressed some of the more particular concerns I had when you first explained the idea way back when, which you yourself said you hadn't quite conveyed as you wanted to at the time.I could try and find the first thread this came up in, but that might take a sec, since I only partially remember some exact phrases from it.
>>737223084I'd like to comfort you and help you out, but I haven't played the new part of DRY and am skimming past the spoilers. Otherwise I'd like to talk about it. Having an excessive amount of empathy for fictional characters isn't something to be ashamed of and is common among teenagers. Such strong emotions are indicative of an artistic persuasion which you might find useful.>>737223379My recollection was foggy, so thanks for clearing it up.
>>737223323>I just feel bad saying these things about DRYanon's game and don't want to turn this into a "hate on DRY" threadI wouldn't worry about that, you've made it pretty clear that it's just this one thing you've got a problem with as opposed to the project itself, I don't think anyone's gonna mistake your meaning here.I'm sure not, and I'm probably the only one in the thread with the exact opinions on DRY that I have, and I make sure not to let those get in the way of anyone else's fun, so I don't think you're at risk of causing problems here.>I also don't want to make this a "wah wah, poor me" thread.Well, your crying is fairly on-topic, so I'd say that's also not the biggest risk in the world at the moment.
>>737222897> In reality there are four different kinds of loveNta, but I understand what you mean. I can even give an example of non-romantic love related to the games, which is how I feel about BunBun, its a childish innocent love, like you'd feel for your dog or your parents. Or maybe even like you'd feel for your child, albeit to a lesser extent. This is different from romantic love. Honestly I could not imagine a sexual scenario involving her that would feel at all natural. Nor would I want to. >Whoever said that fundamentally misunderstood the books, or simply didn't read them.I get the feeling he probably doesn't or wouldn't like Tolkein's work, at least philosophically. I may be wrong though, I'm no mind reader.
>>737223652>I get the feeling he probably doesn't or wouldn't like Tolkein's work, at least philosophically. I may be wrong though, I'm no mind reader.Me or the other person/people who said that?
>>737223759Well I don't know who said what specifically, nor who specifically in this thread, so at least one of them I think would probably take issue with a lot of the themes and trends of Tolkein's work. I can, of course, be wrong though.
>>737223824Eh, fair enough.I haven't seen the books, nor read the movies, though I would like to get around to those things eventually™.
>>737223494>I'd like to comfort you and help you out, but I haven't played the new part of DRY Are you interested in DRY at all, or is it a game you don't intend to play?>is common among teenagers. I know it wasn't your intention, but it makes it sound like I should be ashamed, since I am decently well removed from my teens now. Ironically I think this would have bothered me less back then. I think life has worn down my thick skin and left me a lot more exposed. >Such strong emotions are indicative of an artistic persuasion which you might find useful.Well at least I have that. This does give me food for thought about how my own characters could effect other people, and whether I should take them into account before writing certain things.
>>737223907The movies are cinematic masterpieces and technical marvels (even if they do change and cut a lot from the books). If you like movies with war in them or impressive practical effects they're worth a watch just for that. Plus they have great acting done by great actors and an excellent score.
>>737224142I could probably get around to the movies sometime soon, so I guess I'll report back on whether I have some massive philosophical clash with them or something.Not with a massive rentry though.Thankfully I know very little of what happens in the movies outside of what's bled into pop-culture over the years, along with "They're taking the Hobbits to Isengard" and "Saruman trolls Gandalf", so I can go into them relatively blind.
>>737224008If I didn't intend to play it, why would I be concerned about spoilers? I already played the old version and want to try a new playthrough tomorrow now that I have time. Yes, I realize these threads are minefields but there are interesting topics I don't want to miss, and I've already missed a great deal of art uploads since I've been busy.>but it makes it sound like I should be ashamed, since I am decently well removed from my teens nowI know but I remember being of a similar temperament in my youth but I am less affected nowadays. I still get emotional over fiction, sometimes to an arguably excessive degree, but I can manage a clinical detachment when I desire.>This does give me food for thought about how my own characters could effect other people, and whether I should take them into account before writing certain things.That's the spirit! You could also try your hand at poetry.
>>737224357>but I can manage a clinical detachment when I desire.Usually I can as well, but there are some things that just get to me. This is one of them. >You could also try your hand at poetry.I feel like its bad form to get into a medium that I have bo appreciation for, even if I may find it fun to play with rhymes. I think I'll just stick to writing and working on my game for now.
>>737224313The movies are really long. 3 hours and each for the short version and over 4 hours each for the extended cut. I would not recommend marathoning them unless you want to dedicate a whole day to it.
>>737224357>You could also try your hand at poetry.He wouldn't be able to do poetry, he'd be crying so hard the paper would disintegrate at his desk.
>>737224870More likely I'd short out my computer. I do all my writing digitally.
>>737224973Ah yes, like the water hose USB adapter videos.Maybe it's for the best you stay away from poetry.
I've been keeping an eye on it, and the Luzma instant-loss drawing I did has been much more well received on esix than my Quetzali lactation drawing.This feels backwards.
>>737225339Maybe instant loss is more popular than lactation
>>737225371Maybe, I guess, but *tickling* instant-loss?Plus, Quetzali is definitely a much more "conventionally" attractive monster design, even if my own preferences lie elsewhere, so I'm just confused.
>>737222897>It's one of the tragic downfalls of modern society where this sort of camaraderie has been lost. Think of how Sam and Frodo are written in LotR.Tragic is a good way to put it, and I think a lot of it comes from many people having little experience with these forms of comraderie across their lives, and thus interpreting every relationship as more carnal.
>>737225576Maybe your fans (people who like your art and actively search for you by name) prefer tickling.
>>737225708I don't have a whole lot of those, and I haven't drawn tickling on that account until just recently with Luzma, so I can't imagine that'd be the case.I'm not complaining, just seems weird.It's like when I got a surprising amount of positive attention on that Chujin image, it just felt bizarre.
>>737218261so after going through this, seeing the giga dark edge shadow noelle. was it any fun?
I'm gonna have to split because of this pitiful 2000 character limit>>737219081>including with characters that are canonically friends getting written as wanting to fuck instead.What really pisses me off the most is when the author gives a bone to shippers, like what Toby did for Asgore and Rudy clock dialogue. It's very small, but it was still enough for shippers to go crazy about it. It warmed my heart that seeing Asgore sent flower to Rudy while he is sick in bed, which shows how much he cares about him even after decades since they met each other, and I don't like shippers spinned it into being something romantic>I like the idea of the spamton and tenna just being friends and all but their interaction in that chapter 3 scene lends me to believe they were more than thatIf you mean that they were lovers, then I doubt that. Like I said, they could've been really close friends while being business partners, since nothing indicated anything beyond that. Like the whole Peppis thing is the weirdest part, but it could be just Spamton being Spamton. The closest thing of an evidence of these two being lovers is the fangamer stuff, which could be just Toby pandering to shippers which is something that i fucking despiseThem being close friends adds more to the tragedy, since both felt like they were betrayed by each other>>737222897>There's also a belief that a romantic relationship is just "love + sex" and "more" than a friendship, when the fraternal love and romantic love are fundamentally different. if i'm being completely honest, I've never been in a romantic relationship before, so I don't know what is exactly is romantic love. I did however, had a really close friend that I loved because how close we were and how much we understood each other. I feel like many people think that kind of understanding and closeness is limited to romantic relationships. Like you don't need to fuck each other if you want someone to understand you deeply
>>737220303First off, I do wanna say I'm glad for your effortpost despite replying lateSecondly, the way you described Chujin reads like Alphys done correctly. Like, if you were to replace Alphys with Chujin, Undertale would improve a lot, since he's much more sympathetic than some annoying weeaboo>but also someone who would be really happy if you actually took the time to show him that he was appreciated for all his hard work, something I think people forgot to do in his life.Wow, this one hits hard. It makes me wonder if Chujin were to have someone that he can be open with, would his life have gone differently? Would he have came up with better solutions?>It would be really hard to gain his trust as a human, but I think hed be a steadfast friend if you managed it, and that you could do a lot for him as a friend giving him a friend that actually supports him.Wouldn't that also make him feel conflicted to continue his work? Since I would imagine part of his motivation is his hatred for humans.>so a friend that could call him out when his head was up his ass, and push him onwards when he felt the world was against him would be good.That does sound very sweet
>>737219081>Its not that its controversial, its just that many people have shipping goggles on with media in general (not specifically an undertale deltarune issue) so normal friendships get written disproportionally less often, including with characters that are canonically friends getting written as wanting to fuck instead.I think that's a storytelling thing. Stuff in stories generally has to do something, and friendships based on strong camaraderie tend to be very neutral in terms of how they inform behavior. A lot of the time, you could assume friends were generally gregarious or caring people and it would hit all the same beats. That ... doesn't feel right, I guess. Like something's been left out of the story there.
thread is slow, have this image I found randomly while cleaning my files
>>737219659Late reply cuz of the limit, but it also had many flaws. While I liked the shooting FIGHT mechanic, I didn't like the fact that it had exclusive locations that weren't accessible to other routes, Flowey being over the top edgy; killing Martlet and bringing up bosses you killed as zombified creatures to guilt trip you more. I do admit his fight is very original and harder
So, when can we start getting scared that something happened to Wildfire behind the scenes?
>>737229497What, they gone radio silent a little too long?
>>737229497Scared?If something happened to Wildfire, I'm gonna laugh my ass off.
>>737229497>"Wildfire has been cancelled"
>>737229497Was there actually some kind of announcement or drama or anything?
>>737230096not really, its just been way too long without news, sure we got some stuff at the start of the year, but they promised a demo already last year and still nothing
>>737229562>>737230096Just inactivity. I don't want to go to their reddit or discord, but their other platforms have been completely silent since the start of the year.
>>737230408Any of the devs say anything individually that relates to Wildfire?
>>737229497I don't see why? Some fangames take six months before singular patches.
>>737230408Did they promise a demo at a specific date, or just that it would come out sometime last year?
>>737230610I could be overreacting, for sure. I'm not saying it's dead, just that if it was a person I'd make a wellness check.>>737230742Rereading their newsletter, they said they wanted a demo with all of Snowdin to be out some time this year, but no date estimate beyond that. They said they would probably be quiet about anything major up until the demo's out, but I didn't think they meant completely silent.
>>737231065Eh, I'd say give it another bit before considering it too much.Once it gets to be another year after they said they'd have something out, *then* it's probably dead.
I tried the UTN demo but for some reason I couldn't get the audio to work, anyone else got the same issue?
It's been so long since I drew normal limbs and proportions that I accidentally made Martlet a fatass in the sketch I'm working on.Dammit.
Just a bit longer.
I forgot I said I was gonna do a thing until just before I was gonna go to bed, so here's a dumb drawover for now.I'll do a proper version later.I also don't remember if someone already did something like this but it's late and I'm tired so meh.
>>737220753Didn't help that mikefags collapsed into screaming that toby changed the story because they predicted it correctly
>>737200147Uncreative people can't come up with their own original characters, so they have to attach themselves to what others make. But they want to add their own stories to them to feel like it's 'theirs'. Hence they choose one-dimensional side characters.
