multiplayer is fucking fun
7/10 needs more anime
>>737207772based>>737207823cringe
a0 is way way way way too hard in this game if they actually started balancing there first instead of listening to streamers they could start making a10 harder faster too. i really want to see a0 winrates among experienced deck builder players in sts1 vs sts2.
>>737207927does it scare you anon
>>737207927give the mod man too much attention and he'll reply to himself more than he usually does and kill the thread before it begins, ditto for >>737207992
>>737207995this I think we can all get behind.
>>737208016That A0 thing is a really common opinion and will almost assuredly be a thing Megacrit follows up on.
>Pick the colorless card from Neow>Get Fasten>"Ah, my block is solved!">Draft some extra good block cards anyway>Die to Kaiser Crab's rocket punchShould've bought that second Cosmic Indifference
>>737208068reposted officially by megacrit so
>>737208150that's fucking sick
>>737208150That's actually cool unlike turning the characters into unrelated fap bait
>>737208150Ascended SilentI'd like it if they actually put alternate skins into the game as unlocks for higher ascension victories or other objectives
I think the reason I don't like this game is because it actually feels degrading to play. First time I've ever felt this way when playing a video game. It feels really, really gross to go from doing A20 stuff to just losing in A0. Really unpleasant and makes me scared to do runs
>>737208150
>>737208226Are you gonna cry about mods all thread? Go be a pussy somewhere else
A4 Regent is my highest after 30 hours
>>737208230been thinking at least pallet swaps like in smash bros would be great for multiplayer
>>737208282A4 Necrobinder for me. I just don't have the intuitive sense other people do for deck building. It takes me a lot of trial and error (mostly error) to find synergies. Since you can't force synergies, this means it takes me a while to really get a feel for enough potential builds to make a win viable. I've just been focusing on each character 1 at a time because trying to do this with all characters at once would be impossible. I've gotten past A0 with everybody, but I want to clime to A10 one at a time. Necrobinder I've got several strats figured out for, it's just adjusting to the ascension difficulties that is forcing me to try new things and thus restarting trial and error.
Reminder that if you aren't using the jorbs spreadsheet that tracks the winrate delta of all card picks, relic choices, and event choices you are playing the game WRONG!
The "just have enough block and you'll win the run" card:
>>737208407One of my biggest problems is I'm a retard and go "oh damn I love that card, of course I'll take it" even if it has no synergy with my deck
>>737208226the vast majority of people here grew up watching anime and have no problem with it, it's the closet fags that can't stop sharing what they jack off to with other men that are annoying. That cool art is miles away from the loli mods, but the one guy spamming that shit does it because he knows it's annoying. easy yous.
>>737208487Yeah that was my problem originally. Mostly I just wanted to try stuff and see what worked. It's the only way I really learn. I'm no good at theorycrafting in deckbuilders. I have to try it to understand it. And I do have impulse issues, taking stuff that looks strong and it just turns my deck into a mess.
it's odd to me how orobas has the lowest win rate among act 2 ancients
>>737207739>Play the daily>Nightmare a bunch of Cascades>Havoc a Cascade>Infinite loopOHHHH IM CASCOODING
It's ironclad @ A5 for me. I've spent a good chunk of my time in multiplayer though, and the rest trying to get the other characters up there before I try to push into 6+.
>>737208407Getting to even A4 puts you in a minority of players of this game. Lots of people never get above A1. Some never even make it past A0 lol
>>737208623I'm afraid of dragging other people down with my shitter strats
>>737207739ye, I ended up joining a few for the first time last thread. It's kinda funny not having typical forms of communication so you just mime through cursor or emotes.By the way, how hard is A10 on multi? Is it easier or harder than solo?
>>7372087314 players and you'll be fine, 3 and 4 are both easier than single player. a10 it gets tricky again of course but it's all in good fun, don't worry
>>737208731Nah, you'll be fine. Trust. Definitely harder to communicate when you're not in a chat of some kind together, but I believe in you.
>>737207739>everyone's having fun without meit's Neovver
Big Defect has had enough of the architect's shit.
>>737172758>>737180992I fucking did it brehs... Beat Queen for the first time at A9
>>737208731Yeah, at 3P/4P I can promise you that people here can carry you to A8Just apply debuffs and live, and someone else will break the game.
>>737208513I don't have any problem with anime. You are assuming that everyone who is annoyed by the coomer is the same person. STS is not an eroge
>>737209393nice work, a9 is a filter. good luck on a10
>>737209458precisely the opposite, I'm agreeing with you, there's one dude spamming the porn mods.
a0 is crazy hard in this game.
>>737209554Not really but if that were the case then that's a good thing
>>737208278Are you going to cry about people discussing the game while posting unrelated coombait all thread? Go be a retard somewhere else.
coomers see a mod replacing the characters with totally unrelated and uninspired generic anime girls that look worse than what i can find on the front page of gelbooru and be like "i need to make 500 posts in the slay the spire thread about this surely everyone wants to see this"
What's the verdict? I kind of hate his 2nd/3rd phase in terms of design, it's basically just hope your hand for that turn is good without much else to actively influence it (i.e. other things like Pale Blue Dot/Stopwatch/Demesne/Tyranny for the 2nd phase or stacking a couple of 0 costs/energy cheats for the 3rd phase; all of which were already getting played regardless of his active gimmick). 1st phase is actually pretty good though, feels in-line with something like the Queen's Bind in making you choose what needs to stay around for cycles/can get culled early but also it was probably the phase that most people seethed about.
>>737209492Thank you anon. Even though I beat Queen, I still hope I get Test Subject and Doormaker on my A10 run. Bound is hell
Fun fact, 90% of players have a 60% or above win rate at a10. Less then 1% of the player base have lost even a single run at a0.
>>737209608its fucking insanely hard.
>>737209649>Hating on loli regent mods
>>737209624I haven't complained about that at all though? The only one bitching and moaning is you.
>>737209708i just finished fapping to loli i don't come here to see more dogshit art i come here to be autistic about video games
gg boys, looked good but someone used like 5 skills on the first turn against test subject and it imploded instantly.
>>737209701Anon, i was never a hardcore slay the spire 1 player but even i beat act0 with every character as soon as i unlocked them
>>737209649there's one guy doing it for attention, please stop giving it to him. he's been in every single thread but only started posted so frequently when people rewarded him for it.
>>737209554this is my very first card game ever and i beat a0 with every character in like 2 attempts each. i think it was three for ironclad and one for necro/regent.
>porn spam>schizo ritual posting about a0 being unbeatable>e-celeb ritualpostingwe had a good run, this thread's ready to be buried in /vg/.
>>737209861Silent took me over 80 attempts to beat A0 on lol, and I beat the heart on all chars on A20 in STS1.>>737209951I think if you did this you're probably just really gifted and in STEM or something.
>>737209957>porn spamHuh? Where?
>>737209998its because you didn't think at all in your runs and finished them in 20-30 minutes. a0 really is not supposed to be that hard.
I knew it was gonna be bad because my vuln scaling was slow as shit, but I think that's the fastest I've ever seen test subject's damage ramp up.
>>737210120that anon could spend 24 hours on a run and 0 extra thoughts would enter his mind.
>>737210190you were probably on phase 2. they buffed it so it's probably the most dangerous phase now. You really want to be careful killing him the first time and make sure you are setup to burst phase 2 down before the multi hit scales too high.
>>737210196he's been making variations of the exact same post for weeks, I can't tell if it's just easy baiting or a schizo trying to tank discussion of the game
NO NOT YET
>>737210351
>>737210259No. We were playing multiplayer and one of us played a bunch of Glam skills turn 1.
Finally, a run where I feel truly overpowered
>>737210437i was defect and it was just the one glammed innate block card, after he was already going like 45 damage. i wasn't paying attention for a sec so you may be referring to someone else
>>737209998I'd have believed you if you said Ironclad but you should not be able to lose on silent. She has a near 95% win rate at a10 much less the baby modes.
But for real, when are they gonna buff the elites? They feel weaker than most hallway fights.
>>737210480sexo whirlwind
>>737210613the statue needs buffs
>>737210712Millipede too
>>737210712Entomancer needs to shuffle more dazed. Maybe 1 for every skill you play too.
fuzzy wurm crawler spittin on me when all I have are defends
>>737210934Make it so it shuffles daze when it hits into thorns too. I think that might make it somewhat balanced.
>play card>realize the run in lost because you played it in the wrong orderpain
>that energy relic that makes powers cost one more>affects powers from potionsI'm pretty sure it's not supposed to work like that.
>>737210534Didn't mean to blame, the number doesn't get that high unless everyone was doing it.I think I was fucked even if we made it through first phase. I lost wax tuning fork after the queen fight and I don't think I would've had enough block for phase 2.
Almost 10 losses on Regent already.
yeah I'm kinda goated
First win with confusedit's still very funthe reduce 8 damage is such a fucking god card it's not even real
>>737211106if i make a big obvious fuckup on the first turn or so ill just savescum, helps me remember to slow down and not play like an ape
>>737207739>60 hours on slay the spire 1 and haven't beaten the heart even once.help
>all the other /v/ threads are about girls and anime>the slay the spire thread hates animewhat the fuck did the reddit and 4chan user base swap specifically for slay the spire?i dont discriminate what chests im chasing in this game, you just focus on your own a0 runs you shiv-spamming newgens
GG. we tried our best
>>737207995
>>737211410It took me like 80, though most of those hours were before they even added the heart
>>737209957
>>737211454>final step: self inserting as the girl
>>737211450>that ironcladjesus that's terrible, literally zero traits from the original designregent sucks too but i get it because there's a lot less to work withar least silent is still pure choco sex
I am so glad they gave this piece of shit card an animation. It makes me want to play it every time I draw it.
What if in the act 4 architect fight you still lose at the end but then slime boss specifically comes in and saves you like the metroid from super metroid and then you restart the fight but now it's 2 on 1.
>>737212087Regent at least keeps the colors, Ironclad doesn't have anything.
I don't even know what an orb is
>>737209662heavily incentivizes every deck just being powerspam since its basically the only thing he doesnt punishgame still has huge problems with the action economy and theyre for some reason actively stomping out player-made solutions to it instead of acknowledging the issue which does not inspire confidencehes not really that hard though
Finally got a regent win too.
this nigga does not do runs above 30 mins lmao
>>737212581this kills the crab
>>737209662His gimmick is decent but it barely fits the actual boss.
>>737212670balancing the game around some transgender streamer cabal is always a recipe for disaster
>>737212704post your character stat screen to prove this isn't a larp at this point
>>737212938good thing they aren't doing that
>>737212842Sicker than your average lizard killer
>>737211454>realistic armor>femalesorry not a thing!
hadn't seen this one before, cute
>Get the Ruined helmet on Clad>Get Gyria>Rest once because why the fuck not>Start with 2 strength>wat>Rest 2 more times, start every combat with 6 strength>Get Brightest flame + Feed>The most free run of my life>Get the jeweled mask from Vakuu>Get the mad science power>Upgrade it because I figured "Put a card" overwrote innate>It doesn't. I essentially took away my boss relic>finish the queen fight with 1 HP >Die to the first attack of Doormaker.Fuck you.
>>737213909i get that nearly every run
>>737208264Silent instant loss'd against the boss and got raped.
Necrobinder took me 18 mins while Silent's win was like 11 hours. They need to balance this game.
>>737213961I'm not really following what happened. How did the mad science event cause you to lose brightest flame?
>>737212087It's not Ironclad, it's some other character. Gachashit or something. The proper skimpy anime girl Ironclad is still in the works.
>>737214210Jeweled mask puts a power in your starting hand and makes it freeIf you have an innate power, it makes the innate power free, instead of putting a different one in your hand. I couldn't get to Vicious or Cruelty fast enough.
>>737214261You won't make that mistake again
>>737214261ah that fucking sucks. I get it now. That seems unintended. I would report it and see if they change it.
finally got to and beat a10 with everyonegotta grind necrobinder because clearly i'm missing something about that bitch
>>737213984Same
>>737214339These are absurdly good winrates.
Hosting, standard branch:steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242372743389/76561197985009576Also what's the etiquette for mods? This is unmodded but do you have to run with modsync or something if people want to play with their skins?
>>7372144472/4, giving it another 10 minutes or so.
>>737214447Beta and standard are the same right now, you can join either in each branch
>>737214284I'm also never getting this run back.I fucking hate this game, time to play it again.
>>737214874that's the attitudetonight we're not sleeping
>>737214447my game crashed aiieeeeeee
>>737214934Hang on I'll see if I can rehost.
>>737214447We need a rehost
>>737214447>>737214934>>737214969Rehostan:steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242373508439/76561197985009576
>>737213909Just got the opposite when I went Claws with Tanx.
>>737214798WELCOME TO THE CULT
>>737214798
>chose one rare card>get demon formt-thanks Neow.
>>737215668That's not even bad if you survive the first three fights.
>>737215841demon form is comically slow and is next to useless for act 1 elites. it was mid in sts1 and it's less than mid now.
undeath is probably a sick card for doormaker huh
if i post a run from sts2.fun, is it anonymous or will anyone be able to get my steam account or name?
is 3764 a particularly high a10 score? I don't win a10 often so I don't have much reference, but I do recall 3.2k was about the average a20 score in 1
>>737215841>get multiple energy relics>demon form ends up saving me from queen's bullshit because hellraiser was at the bottom half of my deckI guess I owe it an apology.
>>737216621nvm you can't even see what all the skipped items are at shops and stuff so theres no point. i wanted to ask what others think would have been good to pick this run because i don't really see anything better than what i picked.
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242376423164/76561197997192985Hosting lobby. This time that poison deck will totally work out anon, give it a try
>>737217170do you accept shitters?
Lmao
>>737217264all of us are shitters anon, join up
>>737217347queen hp status update 1300/2080
>retain on particle wallI am unkillable
>>737217347It's still going!
>>737217436>>7372174671300 more cards to go
>>7372171702/4 come come
>>737217467>4000 armorwhat in the god damn?
>>737211187Its a shame restarts count as losses because Im absolutely spamming that shit
>>737215024GGs!>>737217520Wasn't lying.
>>737214798>didn’t include ironchad helmet
bunch of flatten and pokes and three sic ems offered but no squeeze or even rattle so these get me killed for having no damage and block in act 2bunch of reave and severance offered but no captured spirit or haunt or devour life but it did offer death march like four fucking times and this build just loses to door in every phaseonly doom cards are one blight strike, one negative pulse, end of days, and countdown, a ton of scourges, and times up. sleight of flesh was offered once on floor 11 when i had no doom but maybe i speculate on it and just add dogshit doom cards that don't do weak or block? times up was also floor 12 before i had doom. take two bricks to boss?one bury offered next to my first good block card, enfeebling touch+ that also works with my spirit of ashes. not a single friendship or demense or even delay offered to make it playable, just invoke and wisp.two reaps offered act 1, one of which i took floor 15 and i bought the only lethality earlier that actundeath+ sounds neat for door but it was next to end of days which really helped me in hallways.i even up corrupted on reap so the only way for me to increase damage output further is to pick invokes i guess? this whole run just seemed kinda fucked and the game insisted on giving me only dogshit. maybe the sleight of flesh doom shit would be enough but idk, test subject scales so fast and i had dogshit block offered outside of spirit of ash and a single shroud and nothing for blocking on bad draws and no weak. corrupted reap seems like my best bet.
>>737217925beautiful
>>737217968glad to hear it or sorry that happened
Why are people saying the game is being review bombed when it's all legit complaints about the games balance being dogshit with all the normal enemies infinitely scaling.
>>737218123it's early access, chudstop complaining
How does tri-boomerang interact with Osty attacks? I know he doesn't benefit from strength but since it just says "attack damage" it should work fine, right?
>>737217925
>>737218123>all the normal enemies infinitely scaling.no they don't
ecelebs be like haha this game is so easy just pick the good cards *gets offered negative pulse deathbringer sleight of flesh sleight of flesh negative pulse defy defy in act 1*
>>737218123The "legit" complaints came after the nerfed easy infinites into the ground.
>>737218037srry i tried to talk slay the spire in /stsg/
>>737217347>>737217467What was the combo? Touch of Insanity potion+Letter Opener?
>>737218218people mad they can’t 2 card infinite everything now, and have to spend more than 5 seconds thinking about their turni blame tiktok ruining peoples attention span
>>737218123>Why are people saying the game is being review bombedThey are crying about silent infinites btw, not about game balance
>>737218263Yep.
>>737218123They balance around the feedback the ecelebs who play 20 hours a day give.
>>737218183You will not ever go more than two fights without encountering a enemy that gains permanent strength every second turn.
silent players when their infinites get nerfed and they’re forced to play any of the other OP brain dead silent decksvschad regent players who finally get a useable sovereign blade card making one more deck viable
>>737215668>same>it's knife trap>6 fights and not even a measly cloak and dagger
>>737218123>most enemies only get 1 strength per turn as their scaling>this is only a problem for anon because he takes 37 turns to kill the eels
Barricade is useful(not even good) in like 1 out of 50 runsThis should NOT be a rare card.
Rate my brain, based on the decisions I made.
>>737218308>picrelkek, why are they like this?
Game is in a good spot. Just finished A10 regent to finally start the necrobinder I wanted to play for a while. She seems really powerful, have A2 done and it's been fairly easy with the amount of block she can generate to figure things out. doom is strong but we'll see how it does at A9. Regent was a bit tricky to get a feel for since his star energy balance makes deckbuilding less forgiving. Ironchad took me 25h to get A10 done since I had to figure out the game silent and regent only took 12h. I think the necrobinder is gonna be pretty easy.Game is solid. Better than the first one.
>next necro run>devour life from neow>capture spirit first card reward>haunt next card reward>fresnel lens first eventthis fucking game man
>>737218854this is a really unnatural post.
>>737218406>docks>fight sludge spinner then seapunkboom you're wrong :D
Broke my a10 winstreak record at 11 wins now. Snecko was just a free win like always. I barely used glitter. Beat down was amazing with snecko.
>grave warden right after fresnel lensrng is so fucking dumb man im about to ragequit while winning
>>737207739Yes
>>737219075history course replays beat down btw. I wasn't sure if it would replay the last attack that was played from discard or the skill itself but it's the skill.
I wish I could upgrade the sword permanently
GG slayer sisters
GG, friends.I did nothing but armor up.
>>737219886It helped I only had two defends and mad science for block
>>737219075This is the kind of run that really proves why you never should give up early. I took 171 fucking damage in act 1 and managed to turn the whole game around by barely taking damage on the 3rd elite fight and streamrolling with snecko after. You might think I'm retarded for taking 3 elites but every other path was hard hallways and I almost lost the run to fucking fogmog already. Phrog parasite was literally easier than that cunt.https://sts2.fun/run/23d247851bfdeda2dc998f82af4ac31f65bb56861ea7f44eba4fa47a26cf9044The floor by floor. I didn't even know I could take almost 200 damage in act 1 and live.
>>737219721life if we could upgrade sovereign blade
>>737219981what happens if you give it a temp upgrade like from armaments or something?
I think enchanting mid fight is a cool idea, but did silent need more weak? Regent forge needs an enchant card.
>>737220072i've gotten it on ironclad with armaments from colorful philosopher event before. It upgrades it to sovereign blade+ which is 1 cost
>>737220072it gets more damage
>>737218768carried by early relics/10in all seriousness looks fine just a little slowyou may have had a problem with queen if youd rolled her instead, like if you bottomdeck your powers and then she bricks them together all in one draw youre gonna get chunked
I will host, everyone is welcomesteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242381028936/76561198035835677
i got outscaled by the fucking summoning worm
>This phase taking energy meant I couldn't do the one shot.Doormaker is truly the worst boss.
i'm jewish
>>737221376gross
>>737221376> jew(1) Hang yourselfthen when you’re reincarnated as another jew, (1) Hang yourself again for double damage
>>737220770mfw the +6 ritual soggy bird duo does me in because im not paying attention
>>737221736at least those guys actually do scale kinda fast. im always scared im gonna play one turn wrong or pick the wrong one to target first then take a billion
>>737220306gg no re
GG y'allMolten egg into Maul was so good
GG my deck was pure chaos from act 1, 3 spectrum shifts
>>737220306GG>Transformed Guilty into fucking Enthralled of all curses because I forgot that's how transforming curses worksWould've had a nigh-perfect Claw spam deck if not for that fuckup
there’s a suspicious lack of her majesty in this thread
>>737220268That's unironically how I felt, so I'm glad you picked up on this.You're aware. Woke even.
Anyone got some tips for countering Devoted Sculptor as Silent? He’s gone and shanked a couple of my runs by outscaling my block and poison. Any cards to keep an eye out for?
do you think they should add animated cards?
>see the deck cloning event and never had it before>my deck is absolutely not built for it and is perfectly fine the way it is>pick it anyway>lose act 3 boss because too much variance fucked it i don't know what i expected was fun at least
>>737223567early sly damage cards are really it, if you can upgrade your prepared and maybe get something else that discards you can burn him down at least by turn 4, sly counts towards the played cards damage multi
>>737223845I’m talking about the big CAWW bird guy in Act 3(not the Bygone Effigy elite who has the slow debuff)(My bad, I probably should have described which enemy I was talking about)
Character is starting to click for me, I was definitely just completely playing him wrong the whole time.
>>737223567Hold potions for him, there's nothing wrong with throwing 2 at fights that specifically counter you in the lategame.
>Decimillipede ends another run because bad drawAlright. Hosting on the normal branch since there's no difference between them nowsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242387325689/76561198042507437
>>7372242923/4. Gonna wait a minute or two before hitting ready
>>737224292Beta branch can join too, it works right now
>>737224431Neat. Didn't know that
I think it's fair to say that Ironclad is now on the same balance level as Defect. With Tremble exhausting, Dominate applying vuln, colossus at uncommon, and Not Yet giving a much needed power injection in to his rare pool, it's become much easier to see what they want you to do with him, and he's in general more versatile
>>737224253if you can't beat devoted sculptor your damage is too low for lots of fights and test subject anyways
>>737224760Not really Necrobinder and Silent in certain situations can really struggle in to that fightA lot of Necrobinder decks especially just naturally end up falling in to a slow gameplan where they block out and build up doom/print cards off CoV/try to make Osty big, and devoted Scultper is one of the only act 3 enemies that actually threatens them and can end a run Even Regent can have problems in to that guy
>>737224891if you can't beat bird fuck in 4 turns you aren't lasting 4 turns against test subject either. bird is more lenient if anything and it isn't until turn 3 that he hits as hard as turn 1 test subject
>We the Chinese players had a beautiful shared cultural heritage: the sacred 9-card infinite deck. A proud tradition passed down through countless runs.Then you came in with your patches like cultural revolutionaries and destroyed it with the Doormaker in the latest patch. No rollback. No museum. No respect for the shared Early Access history players bonded over.
>>737224760You have all of act 3 to prepare for the gauntlet, sculptor can show up as early as floor 3. Hold potions.
Slight of flesh does insane damage in singleplayer.That with a simple negative pulse just shredded the frog parasites and whatnot.By the time I was in act 3 I was clearing everything in a few turns tops. Very fun
>>737225531kek that image
>>737225746sleight of flesh almost feels like it needs a rework. it feels kind of silly to just do 13 damage every time you use negative pulse, defy, enfeebling touch, or debilitate. its pretty braindead.
wtf is this doormaker change
>>737226105>ChildDeserved. Total starchud genocide.
You guys still enjoying the game after 1.5 months?
>>737224657Colossus + Taunt really is the new Power Through + Second Wind. It's even more versatile due to the reasons you mentioned with any vulnerable card.
GG lads.Doormaker didn't know what hit em
>>737226630GG lads another a10 crushed
>>737224292GGs lads. The multiplayer cards went crazy.A10 on multiplayer seems much easier than solo.
I cannot even beat A0 with Silent and A1 with Necro.I managed to reach A3 with the other guys.How the fuck do I beat the Queen and Doormaker with Silent and Necro? It feels like they dont deal enough burst damage to destroy the 2nd health bar. I once killed the Queen's minion, but that just made her even worse.
>>737226726I'd say that duo is arguably onpar with solo, but 3+ makes it alot easier
>>737226485get your ascension up lil bitch nigga
>>737226947That’s interesting. Is it because the scaling of enemy HP/block/artifact doesn’t match the scaling of player count, or is it because the multiplayer cards do more with more players(like Beacon of Hope or Huddle Up)?
>>737225531Is that EndlessJess?
I just started and I keep dying in act 1 most of the time. I'm pretty sure my patching is the problem. I also just don't understand how to pick cards. The regent seems way stronger and consistent vs the ironclad. I feel like the ironclad just has too many garbage cards and the best runs are when I get an early bludgeon and whirlwind. What should I read or watch to git gud?
>>737226913watch some navegreed, japaneseexport, and baalorlord until you understand
>>737226913>DoorWhen you get to act 3 and see door, start taking every block card. You're going to exhaust them and you need to buy time for poison/shivs.>QueenDraw cards help mitigate bound. If you're running poison, you can just go for the queen while keeping weak on the minion.Always take dex powers.
>>737226913>>737227478https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ru7UYkQZd8
>>737227465Self-damage cards are not bad and tend to save more HP in the long run.Exhausting is an upside, not a downside.Anger is great.Try to path routes that have an escape route from elites if the fights go really bad.Pick Offering if you see it
>>737226485yeah it's pretty fun
underdocks is so fucked
>>737228437ginuwinely prefer it to overgrowth
>>737228437The worm elite is fucking stupid in multiplayer.Not only do they have more hp, they also get 20-30 block after the first hit every turn. It's impossible to focus them down the way you would have in singleplayer
I have after 86 hours a10 ironclada10 silenta9 regenta7 skeletona8 defectis the game easier than sts1? I feel like i could barely reach a4 on any character there even after over 100 hours. So far this game feels much easier
>>737228702>play game for hundreds of hours>sequel to game comes out>wtf why is this game easier than the first one?????average /v/tard iq
>>737228763my max ascension on sts1 is like ironclad a5
>>737228807and if you spent another 86 hours in sts1 i'm sure you could get that up to a20, dipshit
never buying dragon fruit again, buying that shit on floor 3 shop costed me a sharp enchanted twin strike and spent the whole act behind taking chip damage everywhere. always buy immediate power that fucking dogshit relic is bait
>playing an Osti build>shopkeeppers gives me thisfuck you too game
>>737227276Pretty much yeahThe scaling is (number of players).5x, so just from a straight numbers perspective the value scalingas you add more players is just objectively easier as you spread it out against the players>2.5x means each player is adding a flat 1.25x value increase>4.5x means that each player is instead adding 1.125x flat value increase insteadOffensive debuffs (Vuln, Knockdown) applies to this >100 HP baseline permavuln enemy>solo has to deal 66 damage>duo has to deal 83 damage each >trio has to deal 78 damage each>quad players have to deal 75 damage eachDefensive debuffs (weaken/chains/enfeebling) don't follow this scaling because you instead treat debuffs as an energy save effect (like Energy Surge, since you're allowed to offset blocks to play other stuff instead), which scales way more insanely than the damage/HP>one person Enfeebling Touches a Beeman to castrate them>2 energy left for the solo>but 5/8/11 energy left for the duo/trio/quadThe argument for duo being as hard/harder than solo is the benefits of multiplayer don't offset the difficulty scaling of multiplayer hard enough; and alot of enemy dynamics change as a result
>>737228842the game is just easier
>>737229498rattle and flatten are good osty cards.
>>737229772Rattle, Snap, Sic Em.... The dream with Dredge
>>737229772probably gonna get those while grumbling
where frens to ascend the spire together
I think I've finally had my fill of it for now. I don't feel like playing anymore except for multiplayer, but I have no friends so only join you fags. Pretty good game time to cost ratio though.
>>737229882>>737229930got time for one run
>>737226947> that duo is arguably onpar with soloDepends on combination,Duo Necroduo SilentNecro + RegentSilent + IroncladAre easier than soloDuo Defect is torture simulator
>>737226105FUCK
I think i'd like test subject more if it randomized which sts1 elite mechanics it copied every time you faced it instead of always being >Gremlin nob>Book of stabbing>Nemesis
okay slayers, let's spiresteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242398312117/76561198071365002
>>737230130Then you’d have no idea how to prepare for him
will they ever implement online matchmaking? dont really want /v/ schizos to know my steam account
>woke indie coopslopwow thanks i think i'll spend my money on this dogshit
>>737230327I fail to see the issue here. Though with that said they've already picked the only noteworthy mechanics from the other elites>Only other act 1 elites are laguvins debuffs or adding dazeds>The only other act 2 elites are summoning or adding wounds (which it already copies from book of stabbing)>The only other act 3 elites are reptomancer or giant head which gives you 3 more turns to set up before it starts killing you>>737230238>Filled up instantlyDarn
>get a good relic early on that synergizes really well with what you have and it's looking good>you end up fucking up and dying early in the run is there a worse feeling
>>737229602Appreciate the breakdown anon. Good post.
>>737207739Anon are scroll boxes EVER worth getting?
>>737209662>get to him with my turn 1 build>just have to end the turn without doing anythingkek, still won somehow but only a6
tranny is reporting and maaaad
my only contribution is giving 3 energy to someone
Deadge?
>>737208226her unkempt blue furred pussy is concealed by a drape of cloth falling from her chest
>>737230630One thing i didn't touch on in my post is stuff regarding coverup dynamics. So in relation to >>737230000>Silent is inherently bad at applying Vulnerable (only has Expose + Assassinate), Ironclad with Weaken (literally only Uppercut), so the two are able to cover for each other in that regard>Necro doom scaling (literally just No Escape but this shit with 4 Doom Necros is funny as fuck if you haven't tried it)>double Poison (not sure if it scales fast enough comparative to the HP scaling with the additional Silent, but I'm assuming something like Accelerant would push it over)>not sure where to put this but single-turn debuffs being able to last an extra turn without needing two instances split between two turns is pretty significant (e.g. double Defy, double Thunderclap)>Debilitate debuff (Cruelty+, an Ironclad Rare has the same damage boost effect)
Getting to have this happen really took the edge off of losing 5 minutes later because the deck wasn't cut out for boss fights.
>>737208430once you notice there is a lot of "eventually you will win" cards, real challange is staying alive
>>737210351This should cost 1.
>>737209662I can't really tell because my build was broken and just shit out stars while generating block out the ass, he just helped me thin cards that I was gonna exhaust or transform anyway. But yeah having some kind of power scaling or exhaust pool interaction seems invaluable. Or card generation to just replace shit you lose.
die doornigger
I won't ever have a better run than this.I got prep time from my starter relic and got offered an Eradicate and Ice cream early on.To top it all off I've got to imbue Reanimate so I'd always start the combat with 26 Osty health.Ended the final boss gauntlet without ever losing a single life to any of the bosses.
>Multiplayer room>Path act 2 to be super safe>First question mark room is hunter killer>Question mark room immediately after is double chompersJust fuck us I guess lmao
>>737231853probably most offensive deck I ever hadonly True grit, shrug it off, Schockwave and colossus for defense, yet I had some much damage I was healing and feeding every single fight
>>737230238ggnecro feels good at low ascension. otsy just block everything
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242402915448/76561198043818558beta-branch here - A4You will surely slay that spire
>>737207823where can i get the cute animated cards from
>>737232275Thats the way to play IroncladWithout Barricade + Unmovable both active (lmao2rares) you will never outblock the enemies
>>737231338didn't you have no escape? that alone should've raped knowledge demon
>>737232884Ironclad needs some reaper-like cards to leverage offensive power for sustainment
>At the end of your turn gain 1 starLiterally have never seen this relic
>>737233156No, I was hoping to get that or Time's Up, but I couldn't find anything. Probably should have just pivoted to some non-Doom related card for bosses, but it is what it is.
What do we think.By navegreed. Grapple is Not Yet.
Diamond Diadem other character's cards is the only way I've got a shot with this retard.
>>737233282Jorbs proved Uppercut is bad card. How is that in S tier?
>>737233282Tier lists are useless in this game and you're a shitter if you use themEvery card has its uses it will depend on how your runs goes
I'm sick of being offered this fucker yet I win most of the time when I take it.I feel like Neow's options are all over the place, this and crucible shit on most of the others, and adding wing boots as a Neow option is wtf
>>737233367>rampage>setup StrikeLOL LMAO
>>737233367What tiered card on the pic made you mad?
>>737233439Bully, Ashen Strike, Rupture, Expect a Fight
>>737233562I've literally and unironically cleared A10 with a deck that used juggling as THE win condition. Card is still bad.
>>737233282That one is old, if you want to post a tierlist, post one with the cards of the current patch.
>>737232365Very nice, way to carrying me to victory
>>737233704The video is 9 hours old.
>>737233439Double tap, too many uses to be D tier
>>737233712ggs, the moment i started getting the blade package u knew i had to dupe my blades
>>737233732I see literally removed/changed cards in there, you didn't post a video, you posted a picture and that picture of yours, or rather the cards within are not of the current patch.
>>737233789I see, you're retarded and instead of going youtube dot come navegreed and doing three clicks are here behaving like a mongoloid nigger faggot and typing brain damaged posts.
>>737233829How much is he paying you to advertise his channel that apparently isn't even up-to-date to the newest version of the game?
This dog is a faggot. This character sucks.
>>737233947
>>737233282>Hellraiser C>One-Two D>Setup D
Hosting multiplayer, come joinsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242407283916/76561198029311169
>>737233237I got it once or twice, but overall I rarely see character relics. But I did have a run wirh charge!! and the relic that doubles minion damage, which was fun
>>7372342402/4
>>737234240I GOT TANK
>>737234210Setup is D tier
>>737233662Juggling should reduce cost of copied card by 1
Lmao this shit is retardedEradicate is at 37 x times
>>737234585With Lethality online
>>737234614I go to as many ? As possible and at most I get one sharp/agile/sift event and maybe removal of exhaust. Corrupted is so rare…
Had to go to eat, am not ready for 10 yet>>737234240
>>737235779Dude, don't DC when you're dead, we can at least finish the boss while you afk.
>>737235779Can you please come back so we can finish the boss while you eat?
>>737235779>>737235818>>737235875
>>737233384luck is a skill
>>737235779Rehosting in hopes that he comes back.steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242411092906/76561198029311169
You want to do more than one elite? Here's your path
>>737235939Blackscreened. It's over
>>737235939Rip the run then, doesn't look like you can start if not everyone is there.
I still can't believe the devs are acting like Doormaker is fine and isn't the source of literally all negativity in the game's community right now. Literally just revert him. You had your little experiment, now revert him. Or hell, here's a much better idea for Doormaker:>Bring back the OG door, and depending on how much health you leave it on, it opens a portal to a different Doormaker phaseBoom. Now you have to think about how much damage you want to do to get the Doormaker least punishing to your deck.
>>737233384Wing Boots in general feel sort of pointless in StS2 because map generation being "better" means less chance of running into something fucked that the boots can get you out of.
>>737236358>introduce some difficulty to the game>chuds start seethingi’m sorry i didn’t know the playerbase was populated with BITCHES
>>737236428boots are for elite hunting, which is why them being on whale feels wierd to me because you can't really hunt elites efficiently if you have no real whale bonus since you took boots
this rocket punch card is fucking degenerate nowi just turbo once and play my entire deck every turn
>>737208226>"unlike turning the characters into unrelated fap bait">Completely different nopan designGood bait
>>737236358chinese post
>>737236472There's nothing difficult about not being able to draw cards. You simply can't draw cards. As a result many decks will have a bad turn and take damage. That isn't difficulty.
>>737236358The only real problem is the third phase, which fucks with your energyHaving to rely on 0 costs to do anything in that phase fucking sucks.
>>737209662It feels more like they're tuning the game to pursue a certain win percentage rather than actually making it fun.He basically just punishes certain deck designs in a way that makes the game less interesting, and especially the exhaust turn is fucked in the sense that it can immediately burn your out to his bullshit when he has 0 down time and then force you to lose after you cycle your deck.I don't think it's beyond the maximum reasonable difficulty that the game could be set to, but there's clearly something wrong when it's so much more bullshit than queen or the test subject
>>737236358yes good little chink, your social credit score will be updated positively soon
>>737236358Unironically just turn him into the mega Decimillipede>setup phase to play all your powers and shit>turn 2, three doors active, each one from his different phases.>phase effects are obviously adjusted.>Exhaust only works for every X cards played.>Every X card drawn is blocked instead>Every X card played drains 1 Energy>X starts at 5 or some shit>At the end of every turn X decreases by 1 for all doors.>each Door has a threshold just like original Doormaker, that closes it for a turn, disabling their effect whilst closed and increasing their X by 1>optional: make Doormaker revive a door like the Decimillipede if you don't close them simultaneously>optional: tard rage attack after a Door reopens>optional: after a Door reopens, their X is fully reset but their effect is fully active for one turn
>>737211454>my goonslop is so much more based and refined than yours
>>737236695the exhaust phase is good though>combat start, its inactive. (hopefully) play your powers and setup skills>exhaust phase, get rid of your subpar shit>no draw phase, hit hard>energy phase, (probably) get fucked, try to deal damage>next exhaust, hopefully go for the kill in this one or the next phase
>>737236358>start act 3>see doormaker as final boss on top of screen>dont start picking cards that can help in that fight because muh infinite>lose>complain you couldn’t beat himwalking into a wall you could see 30 minutes ago and asking the construction company “why did you put that there?”
>>737236809You don't even play this game.
>>737236558he doesn't scale that hard you can generally afford a bad turn
>>737236804>>exhaust phase, get rid of your subpar shitWhy are you running a deck with subpar shit?What subpar shit are you even playing when he's swinging for like 45?If you try to block anything close to his damage output that turn, you're basically guaranteeing a brick later on.Either you play the defect or necro and basically just ignore whichever of his gimmicks you don't like, or you have to run in with like a 40 card deck to not get fucked over completely. Small decks which don't go infinite just lose
>>737236846neither do you apparently
>>737236959Damn this guy just admitted he doesn't even play the game to try and win an argument about the game's design.
>>737236721This could workMake the doors have manageable HP (perhaps a bit less than the Queen's minion).So if you have big damage you can bumrush the door aplying the debuff and free to do whatever to Goatseman>>737236929You cant remove/transform all your strikes/defends. You'll have less than optimal cards from your Act 1 picks.You will never have your entire deck made of S tier cards. I'm not saying you picked shit cards during the run. I'm saying to exhaust the cards you dont need for your combo/synergy.Maybe you had 3 bloodlettings in your deck, time to exhaust one or two.Get rid of some Shrug it offs, Prepareds, etc.
xi jinping couldn’t beat doormaker and has now declared the chinese people’s feelings hurt
You took a Pommel Strike in act 1 then got Doormaker act 3 and drew it on your third turn? Looks like you're just shit at the game.>I am very intelligent
>>737237069>True Grits it for 11 blockez
>>737237091Uhhh anon? It got played automatically off Hellraiser?
A lot of the game can be reduced to draw better, but really like any roguelike it'll fuck you over for no reason. You're just along for the ride
>>737237116>Hellraiser build on DoormanIt was over before you even started
DOORMAKER IS THE GREAT FILTERARE YOU READY FOR THE SPIRE ANON?OR WILL YOU BE SLAIN
>>737237149>You picked cards in act 1 that turned out to be bad in act 3? Looks like you're just bad at the game and it isn't just an RNG shitfest as a result of bad dev decisions they refuse to roll back
>this is the doormaker>he keeps the tourists and caveman brains at bay so your multiplayer lobbies are filled only with true warriors>everyone say thank you doorman
Taste THE POWER
People (read: chinks and streamers) are too obsessed with>muh infinites>muh 10 card decks>muh loop the same cards 100 times a turnThats why they get stomped.This isnt StS1 Watcher.
>>737237254
>>737235818>>737235875>>737235895wait what I thought I'd just leave the lobby since I wasn't the host. It terminates the game for all???
>>737237329If you leave the lobby, the game can't continue regardless of if you were the host or not.
>>737237410I wouldn't have minded afking but wouldn't it lock you all since I'd have to click on proceed
>>737237329There's no bot to take over for you. When you leave you pretty much doom lobbies. The game would've auto ended your turns for you if you left it opensteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242414565750/76561198042507437
>megacrit buff doormaker>thousands of people complain about the difficulty>they quit >quality and skill of playerbase drastically improves overnightwhen did you start noticing anon
>>737237462https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_spiral>If we just remove everyone with the wrong opinion, everyone will have the right opinion!
>>7372374583/4. Gonna wait a few minutes before hitting go.
>>737237445anyway extremely sorry for this, next time I'll play safe and won't join if am not sure I can finish a run>>737237458it's a new one or the same
Call of the void does nothing with snecko eye, right? Since it says 'on draw' and call just adds it to your hand.
>>737237531I'm a different anon so its a new lobby. I was reading some stuff so I saw what happened to your group
>>737237513instead of finding more ways to complain, you could spend that time getting good anon
>All your powers gain innate at the start of the fightDoormaker fixed.
>>737237604i want to doormaker this brats ass
I'm getting absolutely ASSFUCKED on A10 Defect since the patch. How the fuck do I get past act 1 and 2 on this dude now? I just can't build a deck worth fucking anything, he gets raped by so many fights.
>>737233662>JugglingYeah its among my bottom picks for sure, but you can do some cool shit with itCopying 0 costsWatched Baalorlord do some insane shit with it + Bully + Flash of Steel + Neow's Fury
>>737237982Yeah that was my wincon on that specific run. Otherwise it's reallly bad.
>>7372331831. He has Not Yet, which is an extremely consistent and strong option for him. Seriously just pick Not Yet if you see it 10 heal is an insane rate 2. He really doesn't. Ironclad's card pool is balanced around the idea that Ironclad won't be able to block as consistently as the other classes. The premium block cards on Ironclad are all big and expensive, or temporary cards that exhaust away. The puzzle with Ironclad is building a deck to sustain itself in a longer fight (or just finding a way to nuke the boss in a few turns)This is part of why Ironclad has a pretty easy time in to Door but a hard matchup in to Test Subject
Kept climbing a bit for my "5 A10 runs with all characters" self-challenge.
>>737238070>pick not yet if it shows up
>>737237689He either needs more setup time or a down period between his damage phases.All the other Act3 bosses have phases where they don't attack (Queen after killing the minion and when she powers herself up and Expereminent putting burns into your deck and when he regenerates), Door Maker is the only one (except during the very first turn) where every single round is attacks.If one of the phases, for example phase 3 where you lose energy would be a down turn where he simply buffs/or debuffs and doesn't damage the fight would feel much fairer.
>>737237563it should still get randomized since it's added to your hand at the start of the turn
>>737237021>You cant remove/transform all your strikes/defendsMother fucker there is a relic which does exactly this, even if you never take an event or shop to remove eitherThe defect starts with 6 of each, and even playing completely normally it's totally reasonable to end the game with like 2 defendsAnd, even if you mill 2 defends once, at best that's burning 2 cards from your deck to eat a fucking massive swing and then end up back in the same placeSome of you fucking retards think the hypothetical existence of counterplay (totally in the absence of the context of him punching you in the face for more than half your health) justifies a design which is clearly substantially overtuned compared to the other bosses
>>737237458gg, the molten fist stacking was kind of absurd
>>737238941It was like that before the last changeOn 3rd phase he would just block and buff strengthAlso the energy shtick only increased the cost of the first card you play by 1
>>737239045>the defect starts with 6 of each*the regent, and 6 total - not 6 of each
I have 18 losses with the Necro and 0 wins
>>737237458GG, double tap Bully with instinct is what all Ironclad dream of>x2 600+ damage
looks like this instinct enchantment simply double the final damage of the cardI might actually pull off this summon-focused deck
Bro just have good card quality Dood isn't that crazy lmao
>>737238941There was a version of Door that had a down phase and everyone just ignored the Bosses mechanics and blew him up on the down phase
>>737239059I thought Pael Eye is gonna give everyone another turn but it seems every character has their own separate turn within larger players turn
>>737239045>removing 10 cards in a run>reasonableAnd the relic is an Ancient one. Not worth betting your run on getting it
>>737236358I love the new doormaker personally. He's the only part of a10 that actually feels challenging and makes me deck build around. He's like sts2 time eater. I feel like I cheated if I win without fighting him.
>>737239267isn’t that kind of the point of down phase?getting through the other two phases and then intentionally waiting for the down phase doesn’t really mean you’re ignoring the mechanics
>>737239197That's how damage calculation works across the game.Final card number, then + enchantment, then + 50% rounded down (for vuln), etc. It basically almost always works on the best case scenario for the player.
>>737239289Yeah it's separate. Couldn't even un-End Turn during your Pael's Eye turn either (not that it matters since the entire hand got discarded anyways)
>>737207995>you dislike X you must be afraid of it!!!
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>>737226618Vicious+ is top tier for draw engine with the colossus changes making vuln build so good.
Why Ironchad big? Nothing changed from fight to fight I already had these relics the last few fights.
>>737239797mushroom
>>737239815But I got the mushroom at the beginning of the act and this is the first fight where he's big.
>>737239868perhaps you didn't notice or it was a visual glitch or something, but the mushroom is what makes your character big
>>737231338I haven't played necro much. What's causing end of days to get it's doom value doubled to 74 here?
>>737239921The magic lamp relic, it doubles the first debuff applied during combat, and Doom is considered a debuff.
>>737207739>rapes your runfuck this dogshit game
i play on a shit laptop and for some reason i get game crashes on decimillipede and three knights, though works fine when i load back in
>>737239985slut cant stop thinking about big throbbing meat
>>737229705This is the truth. I'm convinced the people pretending the game is harder never really played the first game or are simply lying because they don't want the game to be made more difficult.
>>737239954Thanks that's interesting. I just thought of magic lamp as extra vuln/weak and overlooked it.
>>737239985I’d rape Silent
>>737233282>old grapple S-tier and juggernaut D-tierkek this list is just a troll list.
Characters that have a very easy time in to Door:Ironclad, RegentCharacters that have an OK time in to Door:Defect, NecrobinderCharacters that have problems in to Door:Silent
>>737207739I started playing the game as a duo with a friend and it feels way too hard, did they fuck up the difficulty?We only managed to complete a run once.
>>737240378Grapple is a proxy for Not Yet because the tier list didn't have Not Yet's art
>>737240446It's still a relatively bad list. Imagine putting tear asunder below anything when it's a single card win condition.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>737240505Tear Asunder needs 4 triggers to be equal to 1 upgraded Hemokinesis and it costs twice as much It's good in to bosses but bad in to hallways, thus the B
>>737240959>Philosopher's Stone in to dieThe more things change, the more they stay the same.
>>737241054I didn't notice that, kek
Cinder is a common that costs as much as Teat Assunder and Tear Assunder needs 5 hits to equal 1 upgraded Cinder
>>737234585Scythe is a disappointing card because it's a scaling card that actually doesn't fucking scale for what you want scaling for (bosses). It's okay for hallways and that's about it.
Phrog Parasite pisses me the fuck off
>>737241054I started the fight with too little HP to begin with. I actually got a last minute opportunity, the dinner event. Could have gotten full healed for only one more fight before the last fire and boss. Would have most likely won, but I got greedy and sacrificed half of my health to get a useless relic.
>>737241139>>737241005Low IQ. Bloodletting and inferno mean by turn 3 or 4 it's already hitting 5+ multi hit and synergizes heavily with strength. This card wins games against all 3 act 3 bosses. Test subject and queen both multihit boosting it's damage significantly and you can play it on the 2nd cycle against doormaker as your main source of damage. Cards like thrash are useless against doorfaggot in comparison since they rely on multiple plays (gets exhausted) or rapid cycling (no draw turn cucks you)
>>737241341By far the easiest act 1 elite. The only one I can beat with 0 damage if I draft some AoE
Pael is the best ancient and it's not even fucking close
>>737242649Depends. All his options are pretty strong immediately, but I prefer orobos for his starter card upgrades and other options
>>737242814>All his options are pretty strong immediatelyrelax
>>737243053Relax is good in certain situations. >Is free to play if you do some shenanigans like bullet time or havoc/cascade it>Free block card for characters that don't start with block but need it like necro/regentI'd never take it over a +1 card draw, card upgrades, or extra turn though
>>737241472>Bloodletting and inferno mean by turn 3 or 4 it's already hitting 5+ multi hit and synergizes heavily with strengthIf I have bloodletting and inferno I'm already winning, Tear Asunder doesn't really add much to the deck at that point. That's the real issue. It's the same issue that Rupture has, though Tear Assunder is a bit better. Ironclad just doesn't really need a slow scaling card like that, Ironclad already has very fast scaling like Inferno and Dominate or just hits explosive turns with bloodletting and forbidden ritual. Thrash is a card that's economical at the least, Tear Asunder is both expensive and kind of slow. Honestly Nav should have it rated lower lol>Cards like thrash are useless against doorfaggot in comparison since they rely on multiple plays (gets exhausted) or rapid cycling (no draw turn cucks you)Come on man you don't have to self report being bad at the game. 1. Both those things are true about tear asunder, it's a card that's only going to do real damage on the second or third cycle 2. Ironclad has no problems exhausting his deck down to a consistent looping hand, especially against door, and Thrash actually helps you do that
>>737243401Post your winrate with ironclad. Here's mine. You sound like you are bad at the game and just parroting shit you don't understand.https://sts2.fun/player/waking-rune
>can consistently reach the heart in almost every run in StS 1 on A20>die before the first boss 8 out of 10 runs in StS 2i don't understand
>>737244028Avoid losing all your healthYou'll be able to continue for longer if you don't die early
>>737243785everyone who is top 10 on leadersboard on a10 is cheating btw
>act 3 starts>Test Subject is our boss>all 4 of us are skill-based builds
>>737244541skill issue
>>737244520kek I knew you would cope instead of posting your winrate. You are just bad at the game and parroting a streamer.
>>737242649For me, it's Orobas
>>737244541me every time im necrobindingsouls? instant deathdoom? gotta have several no escapes and some crazy ass block with deaths door, several shrouds, relics, and weak potions to survivejust have to pray you got the shit to make your reap or bury playable and got double lethalities on it or corrupted or the double damage ancient relic.
>>737243785post your own tier list
>>737244028the biggest meta difference between games is that in 2 defense is much more important. in sts 1 you could get away with having few defense cards since enemies didn't have as much frontloaded damage
>>737246453I'll try to work on one sometime but tier lists are kinda fundamentally retarded since a "bad" card can be good on the right run. There's definitely cards I am always going to take though like unmovable and colossus. Look at my run history if you really want to see what I pick.
>Barricade is 3 energy do nothing(MAYBE does something next turn if your entire deck is built around it)>Unmovable is 2 energy double your block(every turn, starting this very turn)
>>737247045Barricade is also two energy. Unmovable is only for one card. Barricade has way higher snowball effect. Well, unmovable just doesn't.
>>737247045Barricade is untouched because all you need to break your run is either prolong (Get your same current block next turn), MAYBE Gambit (0 cost 50 energy for free forever) or if you luckfag entrench from the trash heap, and your run is over.
I have never beaten the heart with silent in sts 1
>>737247360Barricade is 3 energy. You have to upgrade it for it to cost 2 energy. Unmovable upgrades to cost only 1.
>>737247360>Barricade has way higher snowball effectonly if you have Unmovable , tripple block potion, Prolong, Gambit and/or Impervious. So without neutral and rares it's trash
>>737246695that's what tierlists are for>S tier - good in all situations>A tier - good in most situations or pick in act 1 to build your deck around>D tier - never take it without X,Y,Z in your deck already
>just cleared A10 on duo with a friend>he was playing regent with the vakuu meme relic>he played bundle of joy and used gambit on turn 1 on the act 3 boss>we still cleared with 0 damage taken kino
>>737248298Vakuu is no meme. He's a gameplay enhancer.
>>737229705>>737240125copie, STS1 was way easier.
>>737247045the problem is that it's inherently a gamebreaking effect, so it has to be expensive.it's also a literal auto win below A9 as enemy damage is lower so you can easily scale block without the big cards.
Reminder that before watcher was added corruption was UNCOMMON, it was uncommon and now a damn ancient card
>>737247045It's a good card...On literally anyone that isn't ironclad
>>737239324You can't build a deck around a boss you don't know you're going to face. If you have to warp your entire gameplan from the very start around a boss's existence then that's the very definition of overpowered.
>>737240125No, they played both games, they just think "Wow, I could win 7/10 runs on A5 in StS1, but I'm losing every run in A5 in StS2, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE".
>only three bosses in the game>you have to fight two out of three of them every runi just couldn't have predicted i was gonna fight this boss how could this happen to me
>>737242649>Top tierOrobas>Good tierTanxPael>Mid tierNonupeipe>Low tierVakuuDarvTezcatara>Shit tierNeowDon't (You) me.
orobas is overratedpael is my goat
>>737239293No one's betting on anythingYou're talking about this like it's hypothetical
>>737207739fun bug encountered: using the distinguished cloak's intangible-granting cards sometimes causes attacks to subtract 1 from your current... AND max hp.
>>737250125(you)
>>737250220It'd be much quicker to tell you Orobas's bad options than his good ones because there's just so much good.>muh clone hurr durrFlesh and Blood are his only other good options. Everything else is middling to bad.
>>737239293>If you take a relic, you lose>but that's totally reasonable because you can't plan for it???
>>737250939flesh blood and tears are all just very good and consistent options
>>737251313oh i forgot legion too. god block solve.and claw for goopy defends. also god block and boss scaling
>>737250939They need to give small bonuses to weaker choices>Pael eye>when triggered gain 1 energy/1 draw
Did Dark Embrace really deserve to become a rare?In 1 I usually found Feel No Pain the more impactful card, unless in giga-exhaust decks with corruption which are now far more rare.
>>737252150I got it on Status Defect once.
>>737252150It didn’t, devs just for no reason decided to nerf everything single part of exhaust deck
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242449323830/76561197997192985how about a wee game before the anime shitters show up
>>737252220They made up for it by giving Ironclad sweet new cards like picrel.
>>737252280> before the anime shitters show upI’m already here
>>737252304waiting for jorbs to make a video about this card
>>737252304Just one time I want Toasty Mittens, this, and a bunch of Headbutts in my deck.
>>737252304This is a pretty fun card
>>737252517Yeah, in Regent with Tyranny, not in Ironclad, funny how that works
>>737252570Sorta like how Dark Embrace is fucking nuts on Defect, Silent, and Necro but mopey on Ironclad himself.>Flak Cannon for a fuck ton>Draw your deck
>>737252689Yeah because for all of them exhaust on a card is payment for playing a card while Ironclad cards pay extra to have exhaust
>>737252304>when you have this + True Grit+ on handIt doesnt happen often but when it does...mmmmSpecially off a big Stoke
>>737242649It's Darv by a good margin
Will this work with X cards?My strat is a corrupted Whirlwind
>>737253919"free" is not used consistently. unfortunately I believe that will still spend your energy. "Free" usually only works on x cards when the card is not played manually, such as with mayhem or history lesson
>>737253373don't care what some tranny eceleb told you to believe
>>737254712brother, that's not a tier list. the number of runs is right there in the chart.
>>737255286nta but i'd put more faith in jorbs spreadsheets than sts.fun stats
>>737255381what's his sheets said about the ancients?
>>737255572prismatic gem #1, any relic that lets you pick a common card reward next because it might give you snakebite, transform relics next because it might give you snakebite.
i'm surprised docks is considered stronger than overgrowth, i hate all 3 of the growth elites more than the docks ones
>>737253373How the fuck is snecko eye that high?You roll 3s on the wrong cards your deck is just bricked for that combat.Unless your deck is made entirely of bury, banshees cry, reap, etc how are you even benefiting from confusion?
>>737256170who says that
>>737256390It has 14% pickrate while pyramid and philostone have 40%.It's not good most of the time, but when it is, it's REALLY good.
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242457746413/76561197997192985join lobby and let's build thick, fat decks
>>737256390Clad has 80% winrate with Sneko, it’s that good
large capsule owned
>>737256390Silent and Defect usually get fucked by SneckoThe rest have a lot of high cost cards, specially Ironclad.
how many of you guys restart if you get a shitty or boring blessing?I just want a blessing that seems interesting to play with. an upgraded strike/defend, neows fury, and a bunch others are dull to me.
>>737259063They're boring because they're consistent, and provide consistent benefits regardless of run start
>>737252150>become a rare>>737252220it was rare originally in slay 1 before they buffed it
>waahhhh i low rolled one thing the run and i hate losing so i will cope by pretending the run has no room for variety beyond this pointjust mod the game to always give you two god relics or a rare of your choosing dumb faggots
